'Safety net' Biden still waiting in White House wings?

'The Five' debate whether the vice president has truly closed the door on a presidential run


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," October 21, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It is 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Well it's official. The invisible primary is over. Vice President Joe Biden has decided he will not run against Hillary Clinton for the democrat nomination for president of the United States.


VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: Unfortunately, I believe we're out of time, the time necessary to mount a winning campaign for the nomination. But while I will not be a candidate, I will not be silent. I intend to speak out clearly and forcefully and this is what I believe. I believe that President Obama has led this nation from crisis to recovery. And we're now in the cusp of resurgence. Democrats should not only defend this record and protect this record. They should run on the record.


BOLLING: So he's out, but he's not going to stay silent. Biden went on to outline what he would do to beat republicans and he ended with a parting shot at Hillary, referring to her CNN debate comment about republicans being her number one enemy.


BIDEN: I believe we have to end the divisive partisan politics that is ripping this country apart. I think we can. It's mean-spirited. It's petty. And it's gone on for much too long. I don't believe like some do, that it's naive to talk to republicans. I don't think we should look at republicans as our enemies. They are opposition. They are not our enemies. And for the sake of the country, we have to work together.


BOLLING: So congrats and then you get to choose from a socialism or corruption for your presidential nominee. Now Juan, Biden said, "Oh you know we have to stop the divisiveness." Who is standing to his right at that moment? Probably the one of the most divisive politicians in the history of politics -- American politics.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Gosh, I don't even know where to begin. Are you kidding me?


WILLIAMS: You mean given the record of republican obstructionism and trying to thwart any and everything with the Obama name on it? You want to say that Obama is now responsible for the divisiveness?

BOLLING: So I'm trying to figure out. Is Hillary Clinton more divisive or divisive than President Obama? Who is more divisive? I remember President Obama comparing republicans to terrorists. I remember Hillary saying, republicans are her number one enemy, even beyond worse than the Iranians.

WILLIAMS: I don't think so. I think she was joking, but I think it was a joke that played well with the democratic base that is very irritated and I think consequently polarized in terms of republicans in the Congress thwarting Obama.

BOLLING: Was he -- what was that speech?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, I think it was one where he -- I think that he probably came to that decision last night or this morning that he was given room to run. That his family was like, we'll be there if you want. And Obama probably said, "I'll support you whatever you decide to do" and it just really, ultimately came down to him. And I think that he's absolutely right. The clock was running out, that the fact that you actually have to file by November 1st in many of the states even to be on the ballot is one thing. The money is another. And I knew as soon as I saw the tweet and said he was going to make a statement in the Rose Garden with President Obama that he was going to be breaking.


PERINO: Kimberly's heart.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Breaking my heart, I actually almost shed a tear because I do like him. I like the man that he has become. I think that he's somebody that does try to, you know, be bipartisan. Work with the other side. I like his rhetoric, that he has respect for people even though they differ with his opinions. If like I said the GOP messes up, I would have far preferred to have Joe Biden as president than Hillary Clinton, to be honest with you. So I'm -- but this is the biggest gift to Hillary that she could ever have. This like sealed it up...

BOLLING: The money gift.

GUILFOYLE: It's a money gift.

BOLLING: The money gift.

GUILFOYLE: It's the nomination and it perhaps could be the presidency.

BOLLING: Greg, did you see President Obama's demeanor? Did you see his body language? He looked relaxed. He looked like.


BOLLING: A guy who didn't have to make a decision.

GUTFELD: Yeah, I guess he was relieved that this ordeal is over, but I -- just a small point here that Vice President Biden is a monumental jackass. I just want to put that out there. This is a guy who is talking about divisiveness. Who said republicans were going to put blacks back in chains?


GUTFELD: Come on, he's a jackass. He's -- right now, he says he's not running, but he will play a big role in the race. That's kind of annoying. That's like when somebody goes to dinner with you and says, "Oh, I'm not going to order anything." And then proceeds to eat everything off on your plate. He is waiting there. He's the presidential understudy. He will jump in if she gets indicted. He's not gonna go away. He's gonna be annoying. He's gonna be staring -- remember when he was staring out that window, that when -- that famous picture. He's going to be there watching and waiting for his time. And it may not happen. I agree with you, though, Kimberly. I will miss him because he's a gaffe assembly line. He just keeps pumping out gaffes. He makes jokes about Indians in 7-Eleven. He makes jokes about Asians. He called President Obama, clean. He touches women inappropriately. He's Michael Scott from The Office. We almost had Michael Scott from The Office as the president of the United States. That's kind of scary and hilarious.

GUILFOYLE: It still might happen.


GUILFOYLE: But I'm going to out you because earlier, in the green room, or the makeup room, where you were hanging out.


GUILFOYLE: You said that you also thought that he was nicer now and he's age.

GUTFELD: Oh no, no. You misunderstood me. I said that there -- I have a theory that as you age, people perceive you as nicer. For example, if you look at inmates, people look at inmates when they're young and go they're dangerous. And all of a sudden when the inmates get old and they have white hair, it's like oh, he's not so bad. I don't think we should put him to death. It's a perception, as people get older, they seem more benign and benevolent, but it's just an illusion.

GUILFOYLE: Except for Charles Manson.

GUTFELD: Yes. He gets scarier. I could agree.

WILLIAMS: I agree with your second point.


WILLIAMS: I definitely disagree. He's not an -- what do you call him, an ass or something?

BOLLING: Monumental jackass.

GUTFELD: No because.

WILLIAMS: Jackass.


GUTFELD: I will never forget the line about republicans putting chains.

WILLIAMS: No, no, that's fair. That's fair.

GUILFOYLE: That wasn't good, but.

GUTFELD: But also he's a plagiarist.


GUTFELD: He's a serial plagiarist. He's plagiarizing (inaudible).

WILLIAMS: Did I tell you that republicans would go after Biden big-time if he ever got the nomination.

GUILFOYLE: Well, Greg is getting it all off his chest now.

PERINO: But he didn't get the nomination and Greg is going after him.


PERINO: And everything he said is true. I mean all of those things were said.

WILLIAMS: Dana, I didn't say it wasn't -- no, no. No, the part.

GUTFELD: He got an F in college for ripping off so many speeches, and then he ripped off a major speech from Neil Kinnock.


GUTFELD: In the '80s. And -- again, as you age, people forget things.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, but let me just say. I think he was wrong about the jackass is it?

BOLLING: Monumental.

WILLIAMS: Monumental. I'm sorry.

GUTFELD: You can be a jackass and be nice.

WILLIAMS: I didn't get it quite right.

GUTFELD: I'm a jackass.

GUILFOYLE: Well people like him. Yeah.


PERINO: Can I mention at one thing.

GUILFOYLE: What do you do every day, Gutfeld?


PERINO: I think there was also some strategy going on here. I think one of the reasons President Obama looks relaxed is one, he's never going to have to run again. So you start realizing, "OK, I've got a year left. What do I want to accomplish as president." He has a lot of genuine affection for Joe Biden and he thinks he's been a great vice president. But Biden signaled something very important. He said he's not going to be quiet and he recommends to the democrats that they run on Obama's record. And this is something I think that's on a lot of the Obama folks' mind because, if you have a campaign where Hillary Clinton is distancing from the record, it makes it harder to keep that record solidified and the legacy intact.

GUILFOYLE: It's true.

PERINO: But when you have a majority in the country for almost a decade now, saying that the country is moving in the wrong direction, it is very hard then to run on the record of the last seven or eight years. And say that everything, we're just going to continue in this direction. When everyone is saying they want change.

BOLLING: All right. Let's also talk about this. Biden's exit from the race elicited responses from the 2016 frontrunner. Hillary Clinton attempting to capture some of the support of Biden tweeted this friendly comment. She tweeted, "VP is a good friend and a great man. Today, as always and always inspired by his optimism and commitment to change the world for the better - H." And Donald Trump doing what he does best, hat-tipping Biden while sending a warning shot across the Clinton bow with the single tweet. He tweeted, "I think Joe Biden made correct decision for him and his family. Personally, I would rather run against Hillary because her record is so bad."

GUILFOYLE: I think he's right, don't you think? On this plenty of people who agree with that. That the tougher candidate to beat would be Joe Biden, and as we educated Juan yesterday, the polls demonstrate that. So, you know, Hillary Clinton is somebody that they want to run against because there is a lot of material. And we'll see what else the committee comes up with.

BOLLING: Good point, Greg. What do you -- this support that was waiting for Biden to get in, looks like a lot of it goes to Hillary now?

GUTFELD: Yeah. Bernie got a few -- a little bit of a bump. She got a big bump. But the act is that -- we act like this is some kind of arranged marriage or a shotgun wedding. But I think that, you know, it's good for the democrats to settle on a candidate. It's better to settle on a candidate earlier than later. Republicans still have 15 candidates.


GUTFELD: And prepare -- and they're going to be able to prepare long-term for over the big fight, while we're still fighting amongst ourselves.

WILLIAMS: OK, OK. So this is where I agreed with you in your analysis. The second part, which is -- so Joe Biden is there as a safety valve, right?


WILLIAMS: In case she slips up. But boy, for the democrats, they look like, you know, Obama's pretty popular right now. I think he's more popular than he's been in the last two years. So it looks all nice here running Obama's record. But what happens with Syria? Syria is not looking good with Assad over there talking to Putin. That's not looking like anything.


WILLIAMS: What goes on in terms of the Benghazi committee meeting? What if something pops out there, right?


WILLIAMS: Not good.

PERINO: Also, the most important thing is the economy. And what happens in the next year. Who's nobody can exactly forecast.

BOLLING: Exactly. That's what he was getting at with Joe Biden saying.


BOLLING: Look, there are some great strides that have been made in the economy over the last year and a half or two years. We should continue that. And like you said, Hillary has been pushing back so hard against being another Obama term. How does she -- does she pivot?

PERINO: On the economy?

BOLLING: Well, there just be saying, you know.

PERINO: Oh, I think at this.

BOLLING: Sort of breaking some of the Obama policy.

PERINO: Well I think, you know, she's at -- she moves very far left to try to deal with the Bernie Sanders problem.


PERINO: And also Elizabeth Warren wing of the party. So she's a little bit torn, and you know you don't really know who the real Hillary is, is she for free trade or not? Is she for tax reform or not? Actually, I think at this point, what you might see from her is because democrats have been able to unite and they're very understanding of each other and they're very accepting. They are like, "Yeah, we're all kind of crazy, but we're crazy together and we will march forward." That you might actually see her be able to take some bold steps on policy creation in the next few months that would be more attractive to a general election.


PERINO: Public.

GUTFELD: She is -- they are banking on the historical first.


GUTFELD: They're relying heavily on her gender, because if you remove her gender, she's weaker than light beer. And I think that when you just say -- when you just focus on the fact that she's a woman, that's a pretty strong thing, and they're going to use it.

WILLIAMS: Don't forget.

GUTFELD: They're gonna abuse it.

WILLIAMS: Don't forget the FBI. FBI still out there.


WILLIAMS: Looking at this stuff, right?


WILLIAMS: And don't forget there's Greg. Greg -- the media assault on Hillary is withering.


BOLLING: All right. We're going to leave it. My quick two cents, they just handed this thing right to Hillary Clinton on a silver platter. Hillary is not going to have to spend the money. She's got his support. She's gonna take the Biden support. Say bye-bye to Bernie.

GUILFOYLE: Bye Bernie.

BOLLING: No more feeling the Bern.

GUTFELD: Bern -- no.

BOLLING: No more feeling the (inaudible).

GUTFELD: He'll get a show on MSNBC, and it will be called the Bernie Sanders problem.


BOLLING: All right. We'll leave it right there.


BOLLING: Next, Donald.

GUILFOYLE: Thanks for helping.

BOLLING: He used to (inaudible) his critics with poll numbers that keep on climbing. Can any of his opponents at this point stop his momentum?

Plus, Paul Ryan has agreed to be the Speaker of the House on certain conditions. Will his fellow republicans accept those terms? That's ahead.


GUILFOYLE: Well, more good news for Donald Trump. He's crushing the competition and yet, another poll. Republican leaning voters have named him most likely to be the nominee by a landslide, 42 percent. And 43 percent think he's the republican with the best chance to win the general election. Ben Carson came in second in both categories. So, can anyone stop the Donald? Here's Brit Hume.


BRIT HUME, FOX NEWS SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: You're looking at the kind of percentage of the vote that in a place like Iowa or even New Hampshire could be the winning percentage. So you positive Donald Trump having won Iowa and New Hampshire and or, New Hampshire. And going into South Carolina where he has a lot of support. You're looking at somebody who has got a tremendous head of steam and might become impossible to stop with a disaffected republican electorate.


GUILFOYLE: OK. So he's the man with the numbers. He's got the momentum showing no sign of letting up. What does this mean, Greg?

GUTFELD: He -- part of it is that he has used the press like a pliant concubine. He's never had to spend a dime because we're so willing to rollover, whenever he says anything and he says so many entered -- anything. He's like Sam the butcher, he keeps delivering the red meat and we're the Brady Bunch because we love the red meat. But now it's time...


GUTFELD: I'm always here to give him advice because I know that he appreciates my advice, he tells me that regularly.

GUILFOYLE: Good advice.

GUTFELD: Yes, it's free. It's time to pivot, stop delivering red meat. It's more -- instead of confirming assumptions, it's time to convert. Instead of thinking about the people that are already your groupies, think about the rest of America. About convincing people who are on the fence, about being republican. You know Reagan had Reagan democrats. I mean could Trump have Trump democrats? He should think about that.

GUILFOYLE: Trump independents.

GUTFELD: Trump independents. He's got to convert the apolitical and non- ideological. Stop confirming -- I mean stop converting -- no, stop confirming, start converting. There you go.




BOLLING: Another new poll out today. ABC, watched probably a billion time, and he said, right, ABC what, 32 percent of Trump. I mean the numbers keep going up. So I would put -- I would differ in Greg's assessment, say keep doing what you're doing because the numbers haven't rolled over. There was a dip, very importantly, people peak and then valley. He peaked, he started to dip and then he started went to new highs, so the trend line continues. As long as the trend line is going in your direction, I would say keep doing what you're doing.

GUTFELD: But are these people -- is this the general public or just republicans?

BOLLING: No, these are leaning republicans.


BOLLING: The one today was leaning republican voters, leaning republican voters. So, I mean he's still doing very well. They would -- it was really interesting, especially in D.C. The D.C., pundits, Politicos, aides in the Senate, in the confines of D.C., they can't believe it. They don't understand it. Just it is not making sense then. So they keep predicting the massive fall with Donald Trump, and we're 100 days in, it hasn't happened yet. You know why? Donald Trump, throw these interior calculations is bringing up people who weren't part of the polling before. People are starting to say, "I didn't get involved in the process before, but he's speaking for me, so I'm getting involved." He's actually -- in my opinion, I think, if he ends up being the nominee, I don't know if he's going to win or not.


BOLLING: He will increase the pie.

BOLLING: There will be a bigger GOP voting pie than in prior years.

WILLIAMS: Have you noticed the polls? The polls say that in fact, in terms of trust, in terms of strong conservatives, they don't like Donald Trump.

BOLLING: Juan, I'm looking at 32 percent.

WILLIAMS: Well that's what? So that means.

BOLLING: With 15 people in the race, I think everyone would say that he's, he's doing everything right.

WILLIAMS: No, I don't think so. By the way, I thought your analysis, Greg, meant that you think he has the nomination. Is that right?

GUTFELD: I don't know. I don't know. I think it's still too early, but everybody would like those numbers. I still have my -- you know heart set on Jim Gilmore.


BOLLING: Can I say?


BOLLING: I think -- and I've said this before, probably said it a month ago, it's his to lose.

WILLIAMS: Well, yeah. I mean, it's going that way and you're right about the establishment in D.C. Nobody can believe it. Not the most learned inside ball players. But you know, the fact is that right now, I think if you were just -- to make an assessment of Trump, you'd have to say he's appealing on the anti-immigrant stuff, the outsiders stuff and it is working. But to people think that that means he'll be a good president, that he's a strong leader.

GUILFOYLE: Right now they like his populous message and the message of reform. Dana, how do you explain this, you know, what's happening here, this phenomenon. And do you see it having (inaudible) continuing forward?

PERINO: It could. You know what? I think, maybe a lot of people are confounded. But just like -- remember in 2010, when the media didn't understand the Tea Party? Like where do these people come from? We've never seen these people before. And then they actually were a pretty formidable force and in fact, the mid-term election in 2014 proved that. Think -- I would actually agree with you, but I would take it in a different way, which is, it is time to pivot and try to appeal not to democrats because that's not his need right now, it's actually to the people that want these things. So can you convince.


PERINO: People who would say they would never vote for you, that they would at least maybe like, like weaken on that and say, "OK, well maybe I'll try to take another look at you, like you've tried to convince me." There's 120 days to go before the first debate. You know today, Donald Trump was given four Pinocchio's in the Washington Post for a claim that he had made about being contacted by a Bush administration, person to stop talking about the Iraq war. Nobody can find any evidence of it. It's four Pinocchio's -- nobody notice it. But I think because nothing else is happening in the race and he is such a media darling in all places at all -- in all places, in all ways and he's entertaining.


PERINO: And has tweet today about Hillary Clinton, was funny. Then -- yeah, I think it continues for a while until somebody else can make a move or decides that they have a way to try to take him out which -- where everybody is waiting. I don't know if anyone is going to see it.

GUILFOYLE: Right. I mean, it doesn't seem that anybody so far has the ammunition, but I think people responding to his very like, unscripted, you know, rhetoric. He's very raw, very real. He's not acting like he's.

PERINO: But who else in the world could get away with some of the things that he said and be able to win. I mean nobody else says. So yes, of course they're confounded because nobody can actually understand how this happen.

GUILFOYLE: And how about this, (inaudible) selection for the House Speaker, that's right. Congressman Paul Ryan has agreed to serve after previously saying he wasn't interested in the job, but only on these conditions.


PAUL RYAN, UNITED STATES REPRESENTATIVE: I made a few requests for what I think is necessary. First, we feed to move from an opposition party to being a proposition party. Second, we need to update our house rules. So that everyone can be a more effective representative. Third, we as a conference should unify now, and not after a divisive speaker election. The last point is personal. I cannot, and I will not give up my family time. What I told members is, if can you agree to these requests, and if I can truly be a unifying figure, then I will gladly serve.


GUILFOYLE: Those are his terms. John Boehner has scheduled a vote among republicans for next Wednesday, followed by a full House vote on Thursday. He said he thinks Ryan will get the support that he is looking for. Greg?

GUTFELD: No, I don't know.

GUILFOYLE: Facial expression.


GUILFOYLE: Very interesting today.

GUTFELD: It seems like a solid guy. I feel like this should be easy, but it seems -- these days, everything has to have some kind of internal conflict, like we always have to fight over everything. We're like -- the Republican Party is like a squabbling couple that now fights over everything. So you should need to break up or knock it off. The other thing that what drives me crazy is when people talk. I know they are -- serious about their family, but you know it's like what about people like me? You know, it's like, I can't use that excuse, like I got to spend some time with my family.

GUILFOYLE: Well, you have a wife and a ferret.

GUTFELD: Yeah, I do have a ferret. It's an imaginary ferret.

BOLLING: Dobbs is his quite often.

GUTFELD: Dobbs is like an uncle that I always wanted.


GUILFOYLE: You know -- OK, I think -- that was creepy. Dana?


PERINO: Dana, just Dana?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

PERINO: I don't know what's -- I'm not quite sure what's.

GUILFOYLE: Your reaction.



PERINO: All right?

GUILFOYLE: Your reaction to.

PERINO: I think -- well, look. The freedom caucus as they're called, who has all this opposition who have, you know, they can't actually have -- they don't have enough numbers to have their own person in there. And Paul Ryan might be the only guy that can do it. I disagree -- I think that was very refreshing to see somebody in that position say, "My family time is important to me."And one of the reason he said that is because, when you're a Speaker of the House, you spend almost all of your time on the road, fundraising for other republicans. And the freedom caucus of course, benefits from that. And but -- he is saying, "I've got three young children, Wisconsin is their home. I've got to get back there to see them." And that would be a different type of speaker.

GUTFELD: No. Who's that country music star you love? Dierks Bentley.

GUILFOYLE: Dierks Bentley, yeah.

GUTFELD: What if he said, "You know, I'm sorry, I'm not going to play tonight because, you know, I have a family?"

PERINO: He even wrote a song about that.

GUTFELD: That's terrible.


PERINO: I don't mind.

GUILFOYLE: What's up Bolling?

BOLLING: I have a family.


BOLLING: And I think he shouldn't do it for the reasons that Greg points out. I get it, hat tips to a guy who loves his family, wants to spend time with his family, but the job requires a lot of travel.

PERINO: No, not necessarily. I mean you -- we can't be creative and think of a way to do a job differently? To care about your family?

BOLLING: Qualify.

GUILFOYLE: He just pre-empting it so he won't get criticism if he's gonna go home to his son.

BOLLING: Right, but that's qualify with -- I think he is the one of the best republican congressmen that we have going for us. I may not like all his policies. He is a leader. He is a smart man. He gets things done.

GUILFOYLE: Good character.


GUTFELD: great hair.

BOLLING: But if you're not gonna do it, if you're heart is not really into it and apparently, you have -- the word is, he like to -- at some point, run for president. This might exclude him for doing something like that.

PERINO: No. There's not a word of that.

BOLLING: I've heard it. So I've.

GUILFOYLE: So Mitt Romney said, listen, I have tremendous respect for him, he's great but I hate to lose him if he ever ran as president.

BOLLING: But if you're (inaudible) I want to win -- on the issues, I want to win with you. I can't be removed if you don't like the job I'm doing and, I may not want to spend as much time doing the job then, then don't do it.

GUILFOYLE: You're saying there are too many preconditions for you in that statement. I think you're pre-empting so that he doesn't get the criticism. I think he would -- I'm sure he loves to run to be president of the United States, he once deserve. And Mitt Romney was suggesting that perhaps this isn't the path to do it because it hasn't historically one that he's, you know, voted well for candidates (inaudible).

WILLIAMS: I think he's an admirable man. And particularly, I'm impressed by (inaudible), whatever, the exercise routine does.

BOLLING: Ninety.

WILLIAMS: He's good and he's in great shape. He's cut. Gregory, you'd be impressed.

GUTFELD: Really?

WILLIAMS: Yeah. You know like.

PERINO: It's all about looks?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, Juan.


WILLIAMS: I'm just about looks, you know. But anyway, I think that it's very interesting to me that he would say, "You will not make an effort to remove whoever the speaker is."


WILLIAMS: I mean basically, that's saying to the freedom caucus, take a hike. Get out.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, glad that Juan based it on his looks.

Next, another police officer is gunned down in New York City. Will the country unite to defend the blue lives that matter? -- When The Five returns.


GUTFELD: Last night, Police Officer Randolph Holder was shot and killed chasing a gunman during a gang battle in Harlem, New York. This five-year veteran displayed the usual sacrifice seen from law enforcement: running at trouble, not away. And chances are whoever is being approached isn't an honor student with a bright future.

The officers' response is always under fire. Figuratively in the media, but literally in the street. You can thank gangs, who always get a pass from our loudest outrage merchants. Recipients of tolerance welfare, gangs are viewed as cultural, not criminal.

Holder's killer had been arrested 15 times and was on the street due to a program made to shrink the prison population. Keep that in mind when you hear of overcrowding. The solution isn't catch and release. It's build, catch, then keep.

Whoever called 911 was likely a law-abiding, terrified minority. Holder, a minority, died in a place where his job mattered most, Harlem. He was the fourth city officer killed in the last 11 months. Nationwide, 101 officers have been killed this year, a 50 percent jump from last year.

True, we do live in safer times, yet we cannot deny an atmospheric change. As a subversive crusade against law enforcement rages, the callow media trains new generations to hate those who die to protect us.

Finally, Holder was an immigrant who took a tough job confronting thugs lucky enough to be born here. Countries often send us their best, only to deal with our worst.

So, K.G., you know, this is -- these are horrible stories. And afterwards, the police always ask the community to pull together, which is so different, when you see activists' perspective, which is to pull people apart. It's about a community coming together. And they have.

GUILFOYLE: And that's one of the best things about, you know, police departments across this country. They really are such a community. They look out for one another in times of joy and times of grief or family strife.

Having spent so much of my adult life working with law enforcement as a prosecutor, I know them. I know them well. I know their children, their families, their wives, their husbands, their brothers and their sisters. They're people just like us that want to go home every day to see their loved ones.

And they're doing something that is so incredibly admirable. They are not just collecting a paycheck. They're out there putting their lives on the line every single day to make our lives better. Think about that.

GUTFELD: Juan, this was in East Harlem, so he was in an area where he was protecting people from dangerous people. And apparently, activists don't ever really talk about that part of the story.

WILLIAMS: I don't think they talk about it enough, because I think there's a tremendous amount of violence in the black and minority community in general. And I couldn't agree with you more about the gangs getting a pass, because I don't think gangs should get a pass, especially the gangs that are fed by drug revenue.

But I do think you're wrong about something else, which is I think guns are a major part of the story. And I know you think everybody should have a gun. I just can't agree with it.

And by the way, I think the killings of police officers, as abhorrent, as reprehensible as it is, even with all the Black Lives Matter stuff, it's not radically different than it's been in past years before that whole movement started.

GUTFELD: Well...

BOLLING: Can I add to not only gangs, as part of the culprit of the sickening war on the men and women in blue. But liberals.

I mean, Rahm Emanuel, who was top adviser to President Obama, goes to Chicago and said the cops there are basically in the fetal position, because they're afraid. They're not afraid.

The treatment of police and the black community in the media and by liberals is disgusting. What's his name, Martin O'Malley, can't say why all lives matter. He can only say black lives matter. That's part of the problem. That's feeding into the anti-cop sentiment.

But one of the solutions, I still think, body cameras, guys, because bad guys, when they know they're on camera, will probably have less of a tendency to do something stupid when they know they're being filmed. I would hope.

GUTFELD: I want to throw to this disturbing -- we've seen this before. It's an anti-police montage. These are the voices that we hear in protests when there are shootings that get a lot of media attention.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do we want?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When do we want them?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do we want?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When do we want them?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon. Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon. Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon.


GUTFELD: All in good fun, of course.

Dana, in previous crimes and shootings, the media, the left journal (ph), has no problem linking the Tea Party or Sarah Palin to horrendous crimes. Shouldn't Black Lives Matter, or these activists in general, bear some responsibility?

PERINO: You're right. And I remember in particular there was -- one of the main network reporters, at a mass shooting said, "Oh, my gosh, it's a Tea Party person." It turns out they had the wrong person. But they were looking for that.


PERINO: And that was their first thought.

Interesting to me, so the suspect, Tyrone Howard, his arrest record is quite lengthy. Assault, robbery, criminal trespass, public lewdness and conspiracy. And also, nine times arrested on narcotics possession and twice for marijuana possession.

OK, so this is happening -- a crime like this last night happens after an arrest record like that, while at the same time there's a big movement and an interesting one, about reducing sentences. And a lot of that actually involves gun crimes.

So what is the left going to be willing to accept when it comes to relaxing either their sentences or crimes on drugs and guns that lead to arrest records like that?

GUILFOYLE: It's a perfect example, this case.

GUTFELD: He was involved in a shooting that involved a child and an elderly woman. He was on the streets. So it's about the sentencing. They're not being kept. When you commit a violent crime, you should be staying a long, long time.

All right. We've got to go. In less than 24 hours, Hillary Clinton will testify before a House committee on Benghazi. What we want to hear her answer, next.


PERINO: Hillary Clinton's campaign cleared a huge hurdle today when Joe Biden announced he won't be challenging her and others for the Democratic nomination. Tomorrow, she'll face another obstacle when she's questioned by members of the House Select Committee on Benghazi.

A key issue for the panel, why Clinton and others in the Obama administration repeatedly pushed a false narrative about what led to the 2012 attack.


HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We've seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful Internet video that we had nothing to do with.

SUSAN RICE, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR: It was a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in Cairo as a consequence of the video.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You had a video that was released by somebody who lives here. Extremists and terrorists used this as an excuse.

CLINTON: What happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack, and we will not rest until we have tracked down and brought to justice the terrorists who murdered four Americans.


PERINO: All right. There was a poll just taken earlier this week: are you satisfied or not with Clinton's response to the Benghazi attack? Forty- four percent not satisfied.

Greg, tomorrow she has a chance to try to convince people that they should be satisfied. What would you advise the committee to ask?

GUTFELD: Keep it simple. I said this before: you don't put Fritos on a pizza. You have a very, very specific question you want to ask: Who pushed the video?

She said -- when she said what difference does it make, we play that tape a lot. She was talking about whether it was a random attack or a planned attack. What difference does it make?

Well, the difference dictates the kind of justice that you seek. And if you don't care how it happens, then you will never seek justice, which is what happened. They went after a film maker, and they didn't go after the terrorists.

So that means she cannot be president of a country or even a fan club. She's incompetent. Her sins are sins of omissions. Her husbands were sins of emissions. Hers are worse.

PERINO: Kimberly, I'm going to make you follow that. I had a question about when you are at a hearing, do you think it is more effective to ask yes/no questions or to give her an opportunity to be expansive?

GUILFOYLE: First of all, don't ever ask a question you don't know the answer to as a lawyer. We know that.

But I think they need to treat this like a criminal trial, like she is a witness on the stand. She's the defendant. Don't let her off. I would try and poke the cage a little and see if you can get her to lose her temper and she'll make some statements.

But he's going to be very well prepared. I mean, this is a former prosecutor. He's very methodical. Very well-prepared in terms of getting everything together that he needs. He can do a very good job here by asking, yes, more open-ended questions. Get her to talk.

And then what you try to do is see if you can get her in some contradictions, show inconsistent statements, which then will further cast doubt about her credibility and her relationship with the truth, which is shaky.

PERINO: One of the reasons that people are dissatisfied, Eric, is one of the things she said at the end, which is that we will not rest until justice is brought to the terrorists. But we know that there was only one person arrested, and he's still in the field (ph).

BOLLING: Remember O.J. Simpson was not going to rest until he found Nicole's killer, as well.

Here's the one question, though. Rather than trying -- we've -- this is the eighth testimony. She possibly has this so planned out, how she's going to answer. So my question would be, not details, not information. What did it feel like standing over Chris Stevens, Sean Smith, Ty Woods and Glen Doherty's caskets, blaming the video when you knew it was a terror attack? What was going through your mind, your emotions, your heart? And let her answer that, and that will be a good look into what type of person she is, because we -- I'm sure she's going to have an answer for all the specifics.

WILLIAMS: Wow, this is pathetic. You mean you guys don't have one question that you would ask her?

GUILFOYLE: Well, I would ask about Sidney Blumenthal, for sure.


GUTFELD: ... the video. I gave you the video.

WILLIAMS: One question about her involvement with Benghazi? You want to talk about videos?

GUTFELD: That's the story.

GUILFOYLE: This is the story.

WILLIAMS: This is why Democrats say you know what? This is just a set-up.

GUTFELD: Can't even explain why, though, Juan.

WILLIAMS: And guess what, you know what?


WILLIAMS: You know what's going to happen tomorrow, probably? If this is the way it's going to go, the way you guys don't have one question.

GUTFELD: I gave you one question.

WILLIAMS: About a video?


WILLIAMS: No, people are interested in actually what caused the murder of those people.


GUILFOYLE: Yes, and how about -- what about...

GUTFELD: And it's about the video. Who pushed the lie? Who pushed the lie?

WILLIAMS: Forget about the video. You're just doing something that seven committees have looked at, and independent...

GUTFELD: No. They didn't ask that question. They didn't ask that question.

WILLIAMS: It's not a real question about what happened to those...

GUTFELD: The video is a question, Juan.

WILLIAMS: What we want to know is about the murder of those Americans.

GUTFELD: How can you find that out if you -- if you find out the cover-up?

WILLIAMS: Go ask about the murder of those Americans, which is a tragedy and should not be exploited for political reasons.

GUILFOYLE: Again, the whole point is...

GUTFELD: Which were blamed on a video.

GUILFOYLE: ... why did it happen?

GUTFELD: A random attack. A random attack.

WILLIAMS: Trey Gowdy is under such pressure...

GUILFOYLE: I think he's fine about it.

WILLIAMS: ... that I think he's the one who is on the defensive tomorrow. Not Hillary Clinton.

PERINO: The hearing is tomorrow. I'm sure you'll all be tuning in.

All right. The future has arrived for "Back to the Future" fans, after three decades. Did the world turn out the way the movie said it would on this very day? Next on "The Five."



CHRISTOPHER LLOYD, ACTOR: Mill Valley, California, 4:29 p.m. on Wednesday, October 21, 2015.

MICHAEL J. FOX, ACTOR: 2015? You mean we're in the future!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's got a hoverboard.


WILLIAMS: Today's the day, the day that went down in history in 1989. Who could forget when Marty McFly and Doc Brown time-travelled to October 21, 2015 in the movie, "Back to the Future, Part II"?

Well, the future has arrived. So how did those predictions turn out? What about it? What about it, K.G., hoverboard?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, here.

WILLIAMS: Hoverboard?


WILLIAMS: Video cameras in your hand?

GUILFOYLE: And what about -- absolutely. I think it's pretty interesting. And then, but so far, it's not good...

WILLIAMS: Personal drones? Personal drones?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, Amazon, my favorite.

WILLIAMS: How about smart clothes that react to your body, to your body heat?

GUILFOYLE: I don't have any of those.

WILLIAMS: That would be a very smart piece of clothing, I tell you that.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

WILLIAMS: What do you think?

BOLLING: I'm still reeling from my Cubbie loss last night. They're 0-3.

GUILFOYLE: That's what I just said, The Cubs?

BOLLING: Right. They're supposed to win the World Series in 2015. But so that's not going to happen.

I forgot about the billy goat curse. Look it up, billy goat curse.

WILLIAMS: Yes, yes, yes.

BOLLING: That's probably why that's going on.

Very quickly. The movie right there started the product placement, the branding in movies. Pepsi and Nike got into that movie for free, and now it's like a multibillion-dollar industry.

WILLIAMS: Yes, in fact, one of the things I see is that you can go out and buy Pepsi Perfect.


WILLIAMS: Which -- but they charge you, like, 20 bucks for a bottle of Pepsi Perfect. Would you buy one, Dana?

PERINO: Probably not. I'm a Diet Coke person.

GUILFOYLE: They need to make another one of these, I think.

PERINO: I loved that movie.

GUILFOYLE: The predictions.

PERINO: I love Marty McFly. It was a great movie.

WILLIAMS: What do you think?

GUTFELD: I was always fascinated by movies about the future. Because they're always so negative and apocalyptic, and they're always wrong.

Like movies that are -- the view that the world is going to end, that we're going to run out of resources, never happens. We actually end up having more resources. We actually have higher standards of living. Hollywood has almost never been right on movies about the future.

This really isn't a movie about the future. It's about time travel, which I believe in. This is actually -- this is Greg from 2070.

WILLIAMS: Oh, is that who this is?

GUTFELD: I'm here to tell you, Juan, change your mind.

WILLIAMS: Change my socks, too.

"One More Thing," up next.



BOLLING: All right. Time for "One More Thing." And K.G. starts.

GUILFOYLE: I stole this from Greg's back pocket. It is an amazing hamster video, and it's from Russia.

Yes, you love it. Look at these little munchkins. Did you ever know that hamsters are the cutest, most acrobatic sort of rat-type creatures that you could ever see? Do you love this video?

WILLIAMS: I think it's cute, but...

GUILFOYLE: Greg, I think you should steal this. So it's been online since Sunday. It comes with the headline, "I think this hamster is broken." It may actually have some kind of disease that it keeps like flipping over.

BOLLING: Is it just the one that's flipping?

GUILFOYLE: It's confusing. You have to really keep your eye on the ball, or your eye on the hamster.

GUTFELD: Actually, the flipping hamster actually costs more than the other ones for recreational purposes.

GUILFOYLE: Eww! You've ruined my "One More Thing."

GUTFELD: I'm going to be on "Red Eye" tonight...

GUILFOYLE: That's gross.

GUTFELD: ... for the first time since I left. That should be fun. And it's time for this.

GUILFOYLE: So gross.


GUTFELD: Greg's Halloween Tips.


GUTFELD: As always, Halloween is a couple of weeks away, or is it ten days? Can't remember.

You should always wear a costume that fits. Here is me from last year. I was a cat pirate. Take a look at this.




GUTFELD: You can tell that it -- look, I had a little bit of a problem walking but my mask was quite nice. And you see the hook on my paw? Is that great?


GUTFELD: Nobody showed up at my party, though.

GUILFOYLE: That is so cute.

GUTFELD: Yes. Thank you.

WILLIAMS: That's awesome.

GUILFOYLE: Not you but the kitty.

GUTFELD: I beat your hamster video.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, you ruined it. That's for sure.

BOLLING: All right. Dana.

GUILFOYLE: That's gross.

PERINO: Well, mine is a little bit more serious. All right. OK, but anyone remember Obamacare?


PERINO: Our long national nightmare continues. Get this: in case you missed it, the co-ops, which were the nonprofit insurers that the government tried to set up, they're too expensive, and folks aren't signing up. So they're running out of money.

Co-ops in 11 states are likely to fail. I think we have a map. In Minnesota, a 49 percent average premium increase.


PERINO: Now that these are failing, it's going to force all of those people that tried to buy there to have to go back to the drawing board. And when the young and healthy don't enroll, the experiment fails.

The enrollment is now less than half of what the Congressional Budget Office projected, which is why the Republicans keep talking about it.

BOLLING: And the price is going to go up. Has to go up.

PERINO: For sure.

BOLLING: All right. So in case you haven't heard, it's "Back to the Future Day." And by the way, I've had enough of the "Back to the Future" stuff. However, there's this that happened this morning to Brian Kilmeade.



STEVE DOOCY, CO-HOST, "FOX & FRIENDS": Yes, where is Brian?

ELISABETH HASSELBECK, CO-HOST, "FOX & FRIENDS": Have you seen him? Where is he?

LEWIS: Oh, here he is. Brian, how does it work?

DOOCY: He locked the door?

LEWIS: There we go. There you go.

HASSELBECK: McFly, we've been looking for you. You're late on "Back to the Future."


BRIAN KILMEADE, CO-HOST, "FOX & FRIENDS" (BUMPING HEAD ON CAR DOOR): What year is it, really? What year is it? Get me out.


GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

BOLLING: Kilmeade is OK. Not sure about the car.

That was Huey Lewis.

GUTFELD: Huey Lewis? Now that's the news!

BOLLING: OK, Juan, you're up.

WILLIAMS: Well, you know, time passes, and as Yogi so used to say, it's getting late early. And apparently, that's the case for Tiger Woods.

He said -- he had surgery a month ago. Now he says he has yet to begin rehabilitation, and it could be some time before he's back to competition. Apparently, other people have gone through similar surgery, didn't play for a year.

Remember Tiger Woods is 39. So it looks like we're looking at the end of Tiger's career. It's always possible he could come back, but at this moment it's getting late early.

PERINO: So he and Joe Biden made basically the same announcement.

GUTFELD: Juan, do you know the worst place to have a picnic?

WILLIAMS: You got me?

GUTFELD: Tiger Woods.

WILLIAMS: With a hamster that has a broken back.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

GUILFOYLE: Please...


GUTFELD: Tell us what happens. We have 20 seconds.

GUILFOYLE: ... toss to a real show, please?

BOLLING: This is a real show! "Special Report" up next.

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