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Bill Bennett not OK with a Trump candidacy; Police seek public support after NYPD officer slain

This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," October 21, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: Welcome to "Hannity." Tonight, major developments in the 2016 race. Vice President Joe Biden announced earlier today that he will not be running for president, and Donald Trump continues to dominate the GOP field.

Here with the latest, campaign Carl Cameron. He joins us with all the details -- campaign Carl.

CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Hiya, Sean. Well, there is just more evidence of Donald Trump's total dominance in the polls. And in the latest batch, particularly bad news for Jeb Bush. Check this out.

When Republicans are asked who they expect to win the nomination, Trump destroys the field with 42 percent. Ben Carson and Jeb Bush are the closest, and they're only in the teens.

Looking ahead to who Republicans think can actually win the general election, the top three all gain a point, and Rubio actually emerges with 11 percent. Now, when you get to the actual horse race, the ABC poll shows that Trump's at 32 percent, Carson's at 22 percent, Rubio's got 10 and Bush is at seven.

All of this looks just great for Trump, but pollsters have begun digging deeper into voter attitudes and there's a new Wall Street Journal poll that shows instead of satisfied and optimistic that the GOP candidates will do a good job if and when they get into the White House, most Republicans are uncertain and pessimistic.

Carson seems to have the most confidence, 42 percent say they're optimistic and satisfied that he'd do a good job. 50 percent, however, are uncertain and pessimistic. Rubio and Fiorina are second and third.

Now, look at this. By a 2-to-1 margin, Republicans are uncertain and pessimistic about whether Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz and Donald Trump would make good presidents. Those numbers will eventually start to shift as soon as the actual nominee emerges next year, at which point, GOP unity is going to be a critical priority.

The last two GOP nominees, McCain and Romney, struggled to get the party together. This time, a huge uniting factor on the right is the likelihood that with Biden now out, it's going to be Clinton on the left, Sean.

HANNITY: All right, Carl Cameron, thank you.

Here with us now with reaction, author of the brand-new book "America the Strong: Conservative Ideas to Spark the Next Generation," and Washington fellow at the Claremont Institute, our friend, Bill Bennett.  Long time no see. How are you, sir?

BILL BENNETT, "AMERICA THE STRONG" AUTHOR: Good to see you again.  I'm fine.

HANNITY: All right, let's start with Biden.

(CROSSTALK)

HANNITY: So what? He's not in.

BENNETT: Never would have mattered much anyway. She's...

HANNITY: At best, he would have been a backup when she falters.

BENNETT: She's the nominee, unless he gets really mad and gets interesting and endorses Bernie.

(LAUGHTER)

HANNITY: That could...

BENNETT: Or Larry David.

HANNITY: Or Larry David, one or the other?

BENNETT: (INAUDIBLE) one or the other.

HANNITY: All right, let's go to these polls. Five polls have come out this week. Look at this latest ABC poll, Trump up by double digits in that poll. You look at not -- you know, even close who they expect to be the nominee, who will be the nominee. It's going to be Trump.

You look at this phenomenon of the outsider, the insurgent candidate - - there's a reason for this, and that is 60 percent of Republicans feel betrayed by Republicans. I'm a registered conservative. I'm one of them!

BENNETT: I understand. I hear folks every morning say that to me on my radio show. I feel a little bit betrayed, as well. But we still have to keep our...

HANNITY: Why a little bit? I feel a lot betrayed.

BENNETT: Because -- because of the Constitution. There's the limitations. People, I think, still do not appreciate what limitations you have when...

HANNITY: Then why did they promise...

BENNETT: ... you have the president...

HANNITY: ... they would defund ObamaCare?

BENNETT: Well...

HANNITY: Why did they promise they would stop executive amnesty?

BENNETT: ... they promised they would try to defund "Obama care."  They promised...

HANNITY: They never said "try"!

BENNETT: Well...

HANNITY: They said they would!

BENNETT: We can parse it closely, but I don't think a lot (ph) of leadership did. Look, I'm very frustrated, too. Main task is to get a Republican president and not to divide this party even further the way it's been divided lately.

HANNITY: OK.

BENNETT: Balkanized.

HANNITY: So you OK with a Donald Trump candidacy?

BENNETT: No, I'm not OK at all!

HANNITY: Why not?

BENNETT: Because I look at a man and the totality of his acts and his record and the things he has and stood for. And I think, probably, he's not very principled in terms of his convictions anyway, except he, you know, is a businessman who does things his way, his own idiosyncratic way.

I do understand the appeal. People are angry, mad. And he seems big enough to kind of encompass that anger.

HANNITY: I think it's...

BENNETT: He's the big guy.

HANNITY: I see a guy that wanted to keep his workers working in New York, where Democrats outnumber Republicans, you know, 8 to 1...

BENNETT: Right.

HANNITY: ... a guy that played the game because, you know what?  That's the system. He didn't set it up. And I've asked him specifically on the economy, I've asked him on health care, I've asked him on immigration, I've asked him on Planned Parenthood...

BENNETT: Right. No more singer-payer for him, right?

HANNITY: No, but he -- no. He said to me...

BENNETT: And no more impeachment of George W. Bush.

HANNITY: He said to me...

BENNETT: No more supporting Pelosi and Reid.

HANNITY: Listen, you can say all of these things...

BENNETT: Well, they're true.

HANNITY: ... but he said to me he supports health care savings accounts. He'll control the border. Immigration's a huge issue right now.  I thought his economic plan was really good. Paul Ryan even said it was good.

BENNETT: Well, now, that's interesting, isn't it, that we cite Paul Ryan. Here's Paul Ryan, who's being skewered by a lot of our friends, a lot of people who are my friends in the House, Paul Ryan, for deviating on a couple of points, the trade deal -- people don't like that, and his view on immigration...

HANNITY: Immigration.

BENNETT: Here's Trump with a record, you know, longer than your arm, wrong on all these things, getting all this support. That's what makes me a little angry and makes me think there's a lot of irrationality on it.

HANNITY: Here's...

BENNETT: Look, if Trump's the nominee, Sean, I will support him because I won't support Hillary.

HANNITY: All right, tell...

BENNETT: But I think there's so much uncertainty, Sean...

HANNITY: Tell me -- I was interviewed by USA Today.

BENNETT: Yes.

HANNITY: (INAUDIBLE) said -- and you know Paul Ryan, I know Paul Ryan, he's the nicest guy you'll ever meet, but I said, I don't think this is the job for him. And I'll tell you why, because the next speaker immediately is going to face a debt ceiling battle...

BENNETT: Yes.

HANNITY: ... a CR battle. The next -- immediately, conservatives are going to want to know, Are you going to be willing to stand firm on defunding Obama Care or aspects of it or use reconciliation? Are you going to defund Planned Parenthood? Are you going to stop executive amnesty? What are you going to do on the Iranian deal. And I'm not so sure by December if Paul takes that job -- he's not viewed by the 60 percent as John Boehner.

BENNETT: As one of his closest friends and as someone who he says was a mentor -- that's me -- I'm not sure I want him to take the job. I think he's in the perfect job for him now, chairman of Ways and Means. That's what he lives for...

HANNITY: He's a policy wonk!

BENNETT: That's what he does. However, isn't it interesting that everybody turned to Ryan. Conservatives turned to Ryan. The other caucuses turned to Ryan. Yes, now I know they're criticizing him, but why was he the one guy? Because they know he is a true conservative...

HANNITY: Listen, I...

BENNETT: ... who has deep conviction who can lead.

HANNITY: Tell me if you think this is a bad plan for whoever becomes speaker. I think, number one, they've got to hit the reset button and say, This is a new regime.

BENNETT: Yes, sir.

HANNITY: Don't hold me responsible for what the old regime did.

BENNETT: Right.

HANNITY: The second thing -- Republicans, because they don't trust these guys, I think they need to make promises to America, a contract with America, call it what you will.

BENNETT: Right. Right.

HANNITY: Put it on paper, get the entire conference to sign it to say, If you elect us, we will do these things, and then do them, and stop making...

HANNITY: Fine. Don't -- don't -- as the song says, don't make promises you can't keep. And Newt Gingrich's "Contract With America" had a lot of things in it. Some of them they were able to keep, some of them they were not. He had a pretty good record.

But there are limitations to what you can do until you get that White House. And that's got to be said, too. Look, the minute Paul gets that job, if he takes it, he's going to be criticized by the conservatives.

HANNITY: You mentioned the Constitution.

BENNETT: Yes, sir.

HANNITY: OK. The Constitution gives the power of the purse to Congress.

BENNETT: Yes, sure. Let's get to the end game here. Power of the purse, they can shut down the government.

HANNITY: Wait a minute! Newt Gingrich shut it down twice.

BENNETT: Right.

HANNITY: Newt Gingrich was the last speaker to leave a balanced budget and a surplus for this country, got Bill Clinton to sign Welfare reform...

BENNETT: I agree.

HANNITY: ... and he laid out a foundation of intellectual ideas to bring Republicans to power for the first time in 40 years.

BENNETT: He was a great speaker and a great leader.

HANNITY: Consequential.

BENNETT: I think Ryan could be the same. But it wasn't by shutting down the government that he achieved all this.

HANNITY: He shut it down twice!

BENNETT: I know he did. I know he did. I don't -- see, I just don't think...

HANNITY: But when Boehner and McConnell say they won't do it, they surrender!

BENNETT: I don't think you should say it ahead of time. I don't think you should ever preemptively...

BENNETT: And maybe you have to be willing to...

BENNETT: I agree with that.

HANNITY: ... pass a bill and let Obama shut it down.

BENNETT: Right. Well, got to pass a bill and get it through the House, get it through the Senate. The House has done a pretty good job getting a lot of bills through.

HANNITY: And if the Senate doesn't take it up, meet them in conference, or sit on your hands and let them do what they've got to do!  Keep your promises.

BENNETT: Let who do what they...

BENNETT: Let the Senate do what they're going to do and let Obama veto the bill...

(CROSSTALK)

BENNETT: ... a lot of these things up, as we know they have. The Democrats have enough votes to bottle these things up.

HANNITY: OK, what about reconciliation because the Democrats used it?

BENNETT: You can only do so many things through reconciliation. You can't do all these...

HANNITY: OK, true.

BENNETT: ... all these matters you're talking about.

HANNITY: True. What about the nuclear option that Harry Reid used?

BENNETT: No, I don't think we want to do that. I think we want to respect that idea and that way of doing things.

HANNITY: So -- so even if it means allowing a president to push unconstitutional, illegal executive amnesty, that's not worth taking a stand on?

BENNETT: I think Andy McCarthy's right. The way to do this is impeachment. Now...

HANNITY: Impeachment?

BENNETT: Yes -- no, it'll never happen. It'll never happen. But that's the remedy. That's the remedy that the Constitution...

HANNITY: You don't think the power of the purse is the remedy.

BENNETT: ... provides.

HANNITY: That's a...

(CROSSTALK)

HANNITY: That's a constitutional provision.

BENNETT: Power of the purse is a remedy when you can use it in a rational way that won't end up biting you in the back.

HANNITY: I love this idea.

BENNETT: OK.

HANNITY: What I would like to see the next speaker do is what you're saying here, conservative ideas. I want them on paper. And you write "America the Strong."

BENNETT: Right.

HANNITY: If we don't get this act -- our act together soon, we're losing the country.

BENNETT: Right.

HANNITY: And it's got to be built not on anti-Obama, anti-Hillary, but ideas that will get Americans back to work, out of poverty, off of food stamps. Does this book offer the...

BENNETT: This book offers all those ideas. But I want to say again nobody better embodies these ideas than Paul Ryan. The fact that he's being held to a ridiculous standard I think is damaging. You know, I know Reagan invoked. I know Reagan better than all the people who are invoking Reagan. I sat with him, I was in his cabinet, I was a friend of his.  Reagan would be thrown out by this caucus today.

HANNITY: I don't -- that's nuts!

BENNETT: Yes, yes.

HANNITY: I don't believe that!

(CROSSTALK)

BENNETT: ... tax increase...

HANNITY: No!

BENNETT: ... big bills on abortion...

HANNITY: But he reduced the top rate...

BENNETT: ... ignoring the Middle East...

HANNITY: ... from 70 to 28 percent!

BENNETT: Come on. The TEFRA (ph) bills, these -- this was...

HANNITY: Listen...

BENNETT: The jury (ph) did that, too.

HANNITY: ... over immigration, I will tell you right now...

BENNETT: Immigration...

(CROSSTALK)

HANNITY: ... 1986. But Reagan also said it was the biggest mistake of his presidency.

BENNETT: Well, good. Fine. So if you say you make a mistake, then...

HANNITY: I think Paul Ryan needs to say...

(CROSSTALK)

BENNETT: People need to look at Reagan realistically. And this is the next Reagan.

(CROSSTALK)

BENNETT: I think he's the next Reagan.

HANNITY: How's this as an idea? Secure the borders first, no path to citizenship.

BENNETT: Sounds like Paul Ryan, secure the border first.

HANNITY: Sounds like Bill Bennett endorses somebody.

BENNETT: All right, no, well, listen, I think he's the best of his generation. I knew him well. And I knew Reagan well, and I think he would -- he's the right heir. He's the heir to Kemp and Reagan, and that's why I love the guy.

HANNITY: I love your books. Good to see you.

BENNETT: All right. Thank you. That's a good book, and it's a good book if you need...

HANNITY: At this time.

BENNETT: ... if a young person needs to defend himself against liberals or against...

(CROSSTALK)

BENNETT: ... say they're conservative. Not your (ph) conservative.

HANNITY: All right. What does that mean?

BENNETT: I'm just...

HANNITY: What is that cheap shot...

(CROSSTALK)

BENNETT: No, you're coming after me.

(CROSSTALK)

BENNETT: I'm just a gentle (INAUDIBLE) .

HANNITY: I want strength!

BENNETT: I do, too.

HANNITY: I want the country to be saved! We're in trouble.

HANNITY: Listen...

HANNITY: We're losing the country!

BENNETT: I've been called wishy-washy by the guys in the -- in the -- you know, in the right -- in some of the right-wing media.

HANNITY: All right...

BENNETT: They don't remember. They don't remember the fights.

HANNITY: Good to see you, Bill Bennett.

BENNETT: It's good to be in the fight.

HANNITY: I want to be in the fight.

BENNETT: I know you are.

HANNITY: I am every night.

BENNETT: Thank you.

HANNITY: All right, coming up, as (ph) Donald Trump soaring in the polls, a new report indicates that the establishment is working on a strategy to take him out. But is that good for the party? Will it work?

Plus, Hillary Clinton -- she heads to Capitol Hill tomorrow to testify in front of the Benghazi select committee. Judge Napolitano is here to explain -- did she break laws? Is there a possibility she can go to jail?

And then later, a New York City police officer is shot and killed in cold blood. We have reaction of the out-of-control war against cops.  Sheriff David Clarke, Bo Dietl -- they stop by, and more.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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HANNITY: All right, welcome back to "Hannity." As 2016 front-runner Donald Trump maintains a huge lead over his rivals, members of the Republican establishment are now reportedly very worried, and they're preparing a strategy to take down Trump over these positions that he's taken on some issues. Watch this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:  Eminent domain is something you need, Chris.

CHRIS WALLACE, HOST, "FOX NEWS SUNDAY": Do you support taking private property for private use?

TRUMP: If somebody has a property in the middle of a 7,000-job factory, as an example, that's going to move into the town, but they need this one corner of this property and it's going to provide 7,000 jobs in a community that's dying, of which we have many in this country, OK, I am for that.

Russia wants to get rid of ISIS. We don't want to get rid of ISIS.  Maybe let Russia do it. Let them get rid of ISIS. What the hell do we care?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's a North American Free Trade Agreement.

TRUMP: And there shouldn't be. It's a disaster.

We need fair trade, not free trade. We need fair trade. It's got to be fair.

CHUCK TODD, MODERATOR, "MEET THE PRESS": You're going to split up families.

TRUMP: Chuck...

TODD: You're going to deport children.

TRUMP: Chuck -- no, no. We're going to keep the families together.  We have to keep the families together.

TODD: But you're going to kick (INAUDIBLE) out.

TRUMP: But they have to go.

TODD: What if they have no place to go?

TRUMP: We will work with them. They have to go. Chuck, we either have a country or we don't have a country.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: Here with analysis of what the Trump campaign can expect over the next several months, FOX News contributor Rich Lowry. From The Washington Times, we have Charles Hurt.

So we all read Byron York's piece. Rich, I have zero doubt that establishment candidates in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, elsewhere -- they're going to dump millions in trying to tear down Donald Trump. So far, he defies conventional political gravity, and they've not been successful.

But I'd also say Donald Trump's not going to sit back and let them fire away and not fire back. So I would expect that if they unload on him, he will unload twice as hard on them. How is that going to play out?

RICH LOWRY, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Well, Sean, before I say anything else, let me say hats off To Charlie. When he went out and outfitted his entire family with Make America Great gear a couple of months ago, some of us scoffed. But he's obviously incredibly prescient.

HANNITY: And by the way...

(CROSSTALK)

HANNITY: Isn't that a great slogan, though, Make America Great?  Because right now, America's falling behind. It's an inspiring slogan.

LOWRY: Very simple and memorable. But look, this barrage -- if Trump stays this strong going into next year, there's going to be a barrage of negative ads against him.

And what I would counsel for folks trying to take him down is you got to be really careful because this is not a conventional candidate. And if you just go up with kind of typical cookie-cutter negative ads, there's a strong chance that those will backfire.

And also, you have to be very careful -- and I've established over recent months I'm not a Trump fan, but you have to be very careful to make it clear you're taking on Trump and his positions and not his supporters.

HANNITY: And Charles, to add to that, that you know what? The guy's a pretty wealthy guy. He can spend a lot of money and fire back. And I would imagine his ads will be harder-hitting than anybody else's.

But look at the issues we just played, for example. The country is with him on his immigration plan. I believe in free trade, but I'm tired of China not allowing American cars to be sold there. You know, when he dismisses the idea, let -- all right, let Putin do it, I think people understand where he's coming from. Maybe some pushback on eminent domain, but I think people get that, too.

CHARLES HURT, WASHINGTON TIMES: Well, he has really quite brilliantly found that daylight between the Republican Party platform and voters who are very, very frustrated right now. And -- but I think Rich is exactly right. You know, they -- you know, you have to be careful going up against him. And you're right, he has a lot of money. But the reason he has a lot of money is because he's careful about spending it. And he's so good at getting earned media, I think he is going to be a little bit reluctant to go too far into his own reserves.

But a big problem the establishment has created for itself is they have fired every bullet that they have at this guy, and -- repeatedly, and he's managed to -- I mean, they've accused him of rape. They've accused him of misogyny. They've accused him of hating veterans. And he's managed to weather it all, and he comes out much stronger in the end...

HANNITY: You know, and Rich, I...

HURT: ... for it. So they're going to have to come up with something.

HANNITY: I asked him about it last night, and he says, Oh, yes, so the American people will be reminded that these are super-PACs that have agendas of candidates that haven't gotten the job done. And by the way, I'm not on their side.

There's a powerful risk that I'm not so sure these guys are going to measure before they -- look, if you -- I'm a -- I do martial arts. You're either all in, meaning it's all-out war, or you're not in at all. There's no in-between here. And if you go all in with Trump, you're going to get bloody!

LOWRY: Right. And also, there's nothing that helps him so much as being attacked by the establishment. We've seen this dynamic with Jeb Bush. There's nothing that Trump likes more or benefits from more than having a fight with Jeb Bush. And Jeb just doesn't seem to get that he can take Trump on, but it's not going to help him, and it's not going to hurt Trump.

HANNITY: All right. It's going to be interesting. I'll tell you, going to be a great couple of months. Guys, thanks for being with us.

When we come back tonight right here on "Hannity"...

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HILLARY CLINTON, D-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:  The fact is, we had four dead Americans.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I understand...

CLINTON: Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they'd go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: A huge difference. Hillary Clinton made that cringe-worthy comment the last time she testified about the Benghazi terror attack that left four Americans dead. Now, she's going to face off with lawmakers again tomorrow. Judge Napolitano -- he'll be up next with a preview of what we can expect and how it relates to the e-mail server, what laws she might have broken. And is there criminal investigation that might lead to jail?

Then later tonight, an NYPD officer viciously shot and killed last night. Sheriff David Clark, Bo Dietl react with the latest example of this war on police straight ahead.

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HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So Hillary Clinton is all set to testify tomorrow in front of the House Benghazi select committee. So what can we expect to hear? And how will she explain her actions?

Here with analysis, Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano. Judge, good to see you.

ANDREW NAPOLITANO, FOX NEWS SENIOR JUDICIAL ANALYST: Thank you.

HANNITY: Let's go to the -- only 27 percent of Americans are satisfied, if you look, at this poll, NBC News/Wall Street Journal, with her answers.

Here are the three issues we've got to maintain. which also opened up the e-mail issue. Before we know for a fact Ambassador Stevens requested security because of the deteriorating situation...

NAPOLITANO: Right.

HANNITY: ... he was denied. During, I've interviewed a number of guys at the annex. They all said the same thing. They were told to stand down, instead of going to help and save. They defied that order. They saved lives. Afterwards, we now know they knew within minutes that it was a terror attack. But they went on with this narrative about a YouTube video...

NAPOLITANO: Right.

HANNITY: ... and this being the spontaneous demonstration. What are you looking for in the hearings?

NAPOLITANO: I am looking for Mrs. Clinton to acknowledge that she has held back information or to profess an ignorance of facts that we know she knows about.

I am looking for her to say things which will help the FBI put together the puzzle of whether or not she committed espionage by failing to protect and preserve national security secrets, destruction of government property by attempting to destroy e-mails, obstruction of justice by attempting to destroy e-mails, and perjury by swearing under oath that she submitted all the e-mails that she had. And we know she didn't.

HANNITY: Let's work up -- let's work our way up to that point just in a second. Before, security denied, during, security withheld, after, a lie told. All right, on all of those issues...

NAPOLITANO: Right.

HANNITY: ... OK, She didn't tell the truth.

NAPOLITANO: She not only didn't tell the truth, but the areas of the most crucial times with respect to Benghazi are where no e-mails were surrendered.

HANNITY: Isn't that amazing?

NAPOLITANO: Isn't that interesting? Two-and-a-half months of no e- mails from right after Benghazi, which is September 12th, going up nearly to Thanksgiving of that year.

HANNITY: All right, now, this investigation then opened up the fact that they discovered she had a private e-mail, which led to the server...

NAPOLITANO: Right.

HANNITY: ... which is in a bathroom of a mom and pop shop, that since we now discovered the Russians tried to hack in five times, the Germans, the Chinese, maybe even the Iranians when all is said and done. My sources are telling me the Fbi is likely going to get the 33,000 deleted e-mails legally. If it's not about yoga, a wedding, a funeral and conversations with Bill, who doesn't e-mail -- this is what she said they were about...

NAPOLITANO: Right.

HANNITY: ... and she went e-mail by e-mail and destroyed them, and they're about Benghazi or they're about the Clinton Foundation or they have classified information on them, that means she is in real legal jeopardy and a potential criminal trial!

NAPOLITANO: Absolutely. There is nothing that will frustrate the FBI more than obstruction of justice, particularly by a lawyer, particularly by a high-ranking lawyer in the government who knows what the law is and who has been briefed on what she can do and what she can't do.

I told you they're looking for perjury and they're looking for espionage and they're looking for destruction of property, but the thing that will goad them the most is obstruction of justice, frustrating their job by attempting to destroy evidence, which we now believe her attempts were unsuccessful.

HANNITY: My sources tell me and every IT expert tells me that as she deleted the e-mails, she really believed they were deleted. As she wiped the server clean, they never thought computer forensics would allow them to ever find them again.

If they find them and we find that, in fact, she did have classified information there, I have a list of 15 statutes -- actually, 16 now, that Rudy Giuliani thinks that ought to be investigated. That's up on the screen as we talk. Many of the things you've talked about, the Espionage Act, USC 793, for example, but also obstruction of justice, attempted conspiracy.

If they find e-mails that -- what are the odds they're going to find this?

NAPOLITANO: Oh, well, Sean I think they've already found e-mails like Ambassador Stevens's itinerary as he's traveling around Libya. How could she say that's not top secret? The name of an under -- of a CIA officer operating under deep cover? Satellite photographs of American satellites of military and nuclear sites...

(CROSSTALK)

NAPOLITANO: Correct. Correct. Intercepts of foreign agents in the Middle East of telephone calls and e-mails. There is no conceivable way that she could credibly say, I didn't know that was classified.

HANNITY: Do you think there's a prima facie case against her now?

NAPOLITANO: I absolutely do. I have said this before and I'll say it again. Her legal situation is somewhere between grave and worse than grave. Now, we might not learn about that tomorrow because they might not ask the questions...

HANNITY: About the server.

NAPOLITANO: ... as a skilled cross-examiner would ask. They might ask the questions as a politician asks.

HANNITY: Here, then, is my question. Let's say Comey is the straight shooter people say he is.

NAPOLITANO: I believe he is.

HANNITY: OK, but I'm a little...

NAPOLITANO: You're talking about the director of the FBI.

HANNITY: Director of the FBI. But he did also allow Fitzgerald to go after Scooter Libby. I have real problems with that, when they knew Richard Armitage was the leaker from the get-go. I have a big problem with that.

NAPOLITANO: I share that problem.

HANNITY: OK. So let's say they find this evidence. Let's say that the case is well beyond that which people have gotten prosecuted for in this administration...

NAPOLITANO: Right.

HANNITY: ... David Petraeus, that we're talking about real felonies here.

NAPOLITANO: Right.

HANNITY: Let's say Loretta Lynch doesn't want to bring forward a grand jury or indict.

NAPOLITANO: You will see either the threat to resign or real resignation from the most senior members of the FBI.

HANNITY: You believe that?

NAPOLITANO: I do. I also believe that you'll see this stuff leaked.

HANNITY: And in other words, the case will be brought to the American public.

NAPOLITANO: Correct.

HANNITY: And the American public will know there's a double standard.

NAPOLITANO: And the case will be so damning the political effect will be the same as if they sought and obtained an indictment.

HANNITY: Wow, powerful indictment by you. Thank you.

NAPOLITANO: You're welcome.

HANNITY: Coming up next tonight here on "Hannity" --

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is the fourth New York City police officer murdered in this city in the last 11 months.

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HANNITY: A New York City police department officer gunned down in the line of duty. When is this war on cops going to end? We'll check in with Sheriff David Clarke and Bo Dietl are here tonight. Then later tonight --

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do black lives matter or do all lives matter?  Let's put that question to Senator Sanders?

BERNIE SANDERS, D-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Black lives matter.

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HANNITY: So why is the Democratic Party aligning themselves so much with this radical Black Lives Matter movement? Juan Williams, Larry elder, they are here to respond to the group's latest demands and how the DNC is now giving in. That and much more on this busy news night.

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PATRICK LYNCH, NEW YORK CITY PBA PRESIDENT: New York City police officers every day go ought and carry themselves like superheroes on the street. But the reality is when we're attacked we bleed, when we bleed we die, and when we die, we cry. We need your support. We need your support.  These police officers need your support as we bury our professor police officer.

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HANNITY: That was New York City PBA president Patrick Lynch last night during an emotional press conference. The NYPD has been rocked yet again as another officer has been gunned down in the line of duty. Officer Randolph Holder, a five-year vet of the force, he was fatally shot in the head late last night while pursuing an alleged thief. Now, this is the fourth NYPD officer killed in just the last 11 months. The slain cop's fellow officers could be seen saluting his ambulance as it passed by them outside the hospital. The suspect, Tyrone Howard, was shot in the leg during the gunfight. He is in police custody.

Here we reaction, Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke, former NYPD detective Bo Dietl. I'm looking, you got blue lives matter on your -- you're wearing a thing here. Here's my biggest problem in all this. I don't think we'll see people protesting about another cop gunned down. I don't think we're going to have people out on the streets carrying on. I don't think President Obama's going to go out and make a big deal about this. Why the double standard?

BO DIETL, FORMER NYPD DETECTIVE: We had four cops killed in New York City in the last year. I want to give the --

HANNITY: Less than a year.

DIETL: -- ethnic breakdown. It's one Asian, one Puerto Rican Spanish, one black, one white. My point on all this thing is they're trying to call it's racism, the cops are all racists. First of all, we have one of the most diverse police departments in the country here in New York. And I just looked outside when I come in, we had four black officers outside standing outside in front of FOX today. We have a great police department. We have a great diversity. It's not cops against the blacks.  You know what it's all about? It's cops against the criminals. And a cop is not black, white, Asian, or Spanish. He's a police officer, he's there to uphold --

HANNITY: The rhetoric has contributed to an atmosphere where it's not safe to be a cop.

DIETL: And when you have cops in New York City that has to fill out a paper and hand it to a guy who you stop and then they can call a number to make a complaint against you, that officer last -- first of all, my heart and soul goes out to his family. That officer ran into that action. He knew there was a man with a gun there. There were shots fired. That hero officer didn't think of anybody, didn't think of his family. He ran in there --

HANNITY: Let me play -- first of all, Democrats are sucking is up to this Black Lives Matter movement. Let's play them and let's play some of the other anti-police rhetoric, for example, in Ferguson, just a reminder of the atmosphere that has been created by these activists. Remember, Michael Brown robbed a store, fought for a cop's gun, charged at the officer. The witnesses corroborated Darren Wilson's story, but that didn't stop everybody in Ferguson, Missouri, for example. Here's what we heard recently.

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CROWD: Pigs in a blanket!

Fry them like bacon!

Pigs in a blanket!

Fry them like bacon!

Pigs in a blanket!

CROWD: What do we want?

Dead cops.

When do we want it?

Now.

What do we want?

Dead cops.

When do we want it?

Now.

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Police show not be bullying or arresting journalists who are just trying to do their jobs and report to the American people on what they see on the ground. Put simply we all need to hold ourselves to a high standard, particularly those of us in positions of authority.

There's no excuse for excessive force by police or any action that denies people the right to protest peacefully. Ours is a nation of laws for the citizens who live under them and for the citizens who enforce them.

ERIC HOLDER, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: We've seen demonstrations and protests that have sought to bring attention to real and significant underlying issues involving police practices.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's a history we have to overcome because for so many of our young people there's a fear, and for so many of our families there's a fear. They've said Black Lives Matter. And they said it because it has to be said.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To those of you who wish to engage in brutality, misconduct, racism, and corruption, let me be clear. There is no place in the Baltimore City Police Department for you.

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HANNITY: Sheriff Clarke, then four of five Democratic candidates asked the question, black lives matter, all live matter. Black lives matter. I thought all lives matter. In that environment, based on what you just heard here, if I'm a cop, I'm not putting my life at risk. I'm not going out, going above and beyond like I might have in the past. Why should you?

DAVID CLARKE, MILWAUKEE COUNTY SHERIFF: Sean, that montage makes me sick, and those people make me sick. No words can express the grief that I have when a law enforcement officer anywhere in the United States gets killed in the line of duty. Once again one of New York's finest.

   Have we heard, by the way, from President Obama yet? I know that he's busy tomorrow preparing for his staged backdrop with surrounding himself, cloaking himself with some law enforcement chiefs who are representing cities led by liberal Democrat criminal sympathizing mayors in terms of this catch-and-release, this get out of jail free, releasing literally thousands, thousands of prison inmates back into communities.         

This guy who is in custody right now for the slaying last night, when I looked at his record, it is littered with drug arrests, things like assault, things like criminal trespass. This is what the left likes to call nonviolent low level. What they fail to understand about criminal behavior, Sean -- yes, I'm indignant right now -- is they failed to understand that these creeps graduate to felonious conduct. They don't start with felonious conduct. They graduate.         

So they want to turn this to a low level offender. How do you go from stealing a bike to murdering a police officer? It happens over time.  We have got to put our foot down. And we have got to start pushing back aggressively on this mass prison release back in our communities of these criminals.

HANNITY: Last word.

DIETL: You know, and there are tens of millions of interactions between cops and police men all year long. One incident that occurs, there are tens of millions, and they got to highlight this. Those cops are out there to protect you. That guy with the gun could have killed somebody.  That 12-year-old girl in Long Island got shot in the house by a gang member dead. The cops are out there to protect your lives and they give up their own damn lives. People have to realize you have got to support the cops instead of turning against them.

HANNITY: Well said, both of you.

CLARKE: Thank you, Sean.

HANNITY: Coming up next tonight on "Hannity."

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   UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do black lives matter or do all lives matter?  Let's put that question to Senator Sanders.

SANDERS: Black lives matter.

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HANNITY: So why are Democrats aligning themselves with this radical Black Lives Matter movement? Now activists are asking the DNC to host a Black Lives Matter debate? A new report reveals the DNC is caving. We'll explain.        

Also we'll check in with Larry Elder and Juan Williams. They will weigh in on that and more straight ahead.        

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do black lives matter or do all lives matter?  Let's put that question to Senator Sanders.

SANDERS: Black lives matter.

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SANDERS: And the reason, the reason those words matter is the African-American community knows that on any given day some innocent person like Sandra Bland can get into a car and then three days later she's going to end up dead in jail.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The point that the Black Lives Matter movement is making is a very, very legitimate and serious point. And that is that as a nation we have undervalued the lives of black lives, people of color.

HILLARY CLINTON, D-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We need a new new deal for communities of color.

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HANNITY: Democratic candidates pledging their support to the Black Lives Matter movement at the debate, but that doesn't appear to be enough for this radical movement. They're now demanding an opportunity to have their very own presidential debate, and according to "The Washington Post," the DNC is reportedly allowing the, quote, "Black Lives Matter" group to host a presidential town hall. Really?

Here with reaction, CRN-KRLA radio host Larry Elder, Fox News political analyst Juan Williams. Let me get this, your Democratic Party, not all lives matter, black lives matter. Your Democratic Party is going to allow the "pigs in a blanket fry like bacon" group to host a Democratic forum? What's wrong with your party? Don't you din that -- why don't you let the Klan host a party? Talk about killing cops? Fry them like bacon.

JUAN WILLIAMS, SENIOR EDITOR, "THE HILL": I don't think they were serious. You make that into that was the anthem of all the Black Lives Matter --

HANNITY: Oh no? That was the Black Lives Matter movement.

WILLIAMS: You tried to connect it to the death in Houston, had nothing to do with it.

But anyway, let's get to the politics of it where I'm more comfortable. And the politics of it is they are a special interest group and they are saying they want attention for their issue.

HANNITY: Right, the pigs in the blanket, fry them like bacon group.

WILLIAMS: I don't think that's fair?

HANNITY: Larry, is that fair? That's their group. That's their chant. They did it.

LARRY ELDER, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: The key number here is 95 -- 95 percent of black people voted for Obama the last time. About the same number voted for John Kerry. That's what this is all about, making sure that monolithic black vote does not go away. They're scared to death about Donald Trump. Despite Donald Trump's blustery attitude, his alleged racism, 25 percent or so according to a recent poll of blacks are supporting him. They're scared to death. They've got to keep that monolithic black without with they cannot win at the president level.

HANNITY: Larry, how in this day and age can you say black lives matter, all lives matter, and just say black lives? Hispanic lives don't matter? Asian lives don't matter? White lives don't matter? The unborn lives don't matter? That to me is racist.

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ELDER: Because Asians don't vote 95 percent for the Democratic Party.  Hispanics don't vote 95 percent for the Democratic Party. Blacks do and they want to make sure they keep that.

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ELDER: Saying things like the Republicans want to drag us back to Jim Crow. Charlie Rangel saying George W. Bush is our Bull Connor, referring to the southern sheriff that sicced dogs and turn water-hoses on black civil rights workers. That's what this is all about. Let's not talk about the economy because you can't talk about that. Net worth for blacks are down, the so called wealth gap between blacks and whites --

HANNITY: They can't run on their record.

ELDER: They can't run on their record.

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WILLIAMS: I think it is pandering. It's pandering to a political group. What Larry is saying is they are a large constituency in the Democratic ranks and the Democratic Party is making sure they are addressing --

HANNITY: If there is a group of Republicans that are called white lives matter.

WILLIAMS: There is a group called NRA, guns everywhere, let's have a shooting gallery.

HANNITY: Don't compare the NRA to this racism.

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   HANNITY: Excuse me, I'm an NRA member. I'm the biggest gun safety person you'll ever meet.

WILLIAMS: I like that, and that means you're with the majority of Americans.

   HANNITY: And so is the NRA.        

WILLIAMS: You're for big tax cuts to the rich, right? So there's pandering throughout American politics.

ELDER: Sean, here is why it's pandering. It's pandering because you're not getting to the root cause of the what's going on. If you mean by black lives matter, 6,000 blacks were killed by other blacks last year, almost half of all homicides, let's talk about root causes. It has nothing whatever to do with white cops racially profiling black people. It has to do with young black people often killing other young black people as a result of family breakdown, which is a direct result of bad Democratic policy.

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   WILLIAMS: Larry, you and I have come to a point of agreement.

ELDER: Oh, my goodness.

WILLIAMS: This is where Black Lives Matter goes wrong. They are not addressing the key issues, family breakdown, education. They are lost on this issue.

ELDER: And you're not breaking the key issue of what's causing the breakdown, which is the Democratic Party.

WILLIAMS: I don't know about that.

HANNITY: Thank you, both. Up next, our "Ask Sean" segment. We need your help with the "Question of the Day" straight ahead.

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HANNITY: Time for our "Question of the Day." Do you think, do you want Congressman Paul Ryan to be the next speaker of the House? Just go to Facebook.com/SeanHannity, @SeanHannity on Twitter, let us know what you think.

Now it's time for our "Ask Sean" segment. Thank you for sending in questions via Facebook and Twitter. And if you'd like to ask me a question, you can do that. Here is tonight's question.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, Sean. Trump got the lead, and yet the GOP is supposedly preparing for war against him to thwart efforts to obtain the nomination? Why is that? If the GOP really cares then why don't think unite behind him if they care about this country so that they can put forth their agenda to make our country a better place? I don't understand it.  If the GOP cares, they need to do the right thing. Thanks.

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HANNITY: I hear what you're saying. You're talking about Reagan's 11th commandment. By the way, you look like Keith Olbermann. Look, the 11th commandment, don't criticize a fellow Republican. More importantly, they can learn from Donald Trump. Donald Trump is a fighter. He has his agenda. He says he's going to go out and battle and he is not politically correct. There's a lot of things that they can learn here.

Republicans have lost the trust of the very people they put in office because they have surrendered, they have caved. They have acquiesced.  They have given in. And they've been unwilling to fight. Trump will fight. Good point.

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