Carson talks uniting America; Kasich plans to return money, power to states

On 'Hannity,' GOP candidate discusses in-fighting among Republicans, 'Black Lives Matter' movement


This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," October 15, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: And welcome to "Hannity." And tonight, we are broadcasting in our nation's capital.

Now, Hillary Clinton desperately wants her private e-mail server scandal to disappear, and her top 2016 Democratic rival -- well, he's trying to help her do it. Watch this.


HILLARY CLINTON, D-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:  Tonight, I want to talk about not my e-mails but what the American people want from the next president of the United States!

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SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, D-VT., PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: May I say something that may not be great politics? But I think the secretary is right, and that is that the American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails! Enough of the e-mails. Let's talk about the real issues facing America!


CLINTON: Thank you, Bernie. Thank you!


HANNITY: All right, pretty transparent. Hillary Clinton wants to live by her own set of rules. Meanwhile, average Americans -- they're not so lucky.

Chief intelligence correspondent, our good friend, Catherine Herridge is right here on our Washington set. This is really a huge double standard, a big story today.

CATHERINE HERRIDGE, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's very important.  Speaking at the Press Club here in Washington today, these whistleblowers said they were aggressively prosecuted under the Espionage Act for sharing information with working journalists to expose alleged government misconduct.


JESSELYN RADACK, FORMER DOJ ETHICS ADVISER: Powerful and politically connected individuals accused of the same and much worse conduct receive, at most, a slap on the wrist.

Hillary Clinton -- she got a primetime TV apologist political spin interview from President Obama himself.


HERRIDGE: Former CIA officer Jeffrey Sterling was sentenced in May to three-and-a-half years in prison for violating the Espionage Act for giving classified information to a New York Times reporter about Iran. Sterling was also convicted on obstruction of justice charges because a single e- mail was missing from his account, even though the government could not show he was responsible.

Also, a former senior NSA official, Thomas Drake, was indicted in 2010 under the Espionage Act for sharing information with a Baltimore Sun reporter. Nothing there was classified.

Compare that to the Clinton e-mails, more than 400 containing classified information on her personal unsecured server. And while Mrs. Clinton's go-to explanation is that nothing she sent or received was marked classified, the Drake and Sterling cases show that's no excuse under the law.


DRAKE: This is a secretary of state, one of the most targeted individuals by other intelligence agencies and entities in the world, using a private server to traffic in highly sensitive information, and no doubt including classified information, and no doubt including information including sources and methods. But hey, I'm secretary of state! Even Obama gave her cover.


HERRIDGE: All the charges were eventually dropped against Drake, who pled guilty to a misdemeanor, but in the process, he lost his job, his government clearance and his life's savings on his defense, Sean.

HANNITY: Catherine, that is an unbelievable double standard! We already knew what had happened to David Petraeus. The allegations for Hillary are far worse, though.

HERRIDGE: They are. And based on our reporting here at FOX News, what we understand now is that the FBI is very focused on a provision of the Espionage Act. It's 18 U.S. Code 793 subsection F. And this deals with the gross negligence in the handling of classified information.

So in other words, Sean, if an official has a security clearance and has this information, they act so irresponsibly that the information is compromised.

HANNITY: And Hillary's first statement was very clear -- I never sent or received classified e-mails. Then it became never knowingly sent or received...


HANNITY: ... classified e-mails.

HERRIDGE: (INAUDIBLE) marked. They were not marked. But here's the bottom line. It doesn't matter what the markings are. It's the content that matters. And in these cases, these whistleblowers were prosecuted, and it was not classified or it was not marked classified.

HANNITY: Marked classified.

HERRIDGE: But the question is, will the law be applied in a universal way and that there's not a double standard, sort of a law for the common guy, and then a law for the politically elite like Mrs. Clinton?

HANNITY: Great report. The law should be applied equally. Great job. Thank you.

HERRIDGE: Thank you.

HANNITY: All right, joining us now with reaction, author of "The Rise of ISIS." He's also the chief counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice, our friend, Jay Sekulow.

Jay, your reaction to this double standard that Catherine Herridge is talking about -- and we're going to get to specific statutes in a second.  But what's your reaction to the double standard?

JAY SEKULOW, AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND JUSTICE: It's this is my concern from the beginning of this investigation, that Hillary Clinton gets a pass, where anybody else that's involved in this kind of activity -- and nowhere near her level of activity with the server in the bathroom of the condominium and e-mails going back and forth -- they're getting prosecuted.

David Petraeus has to plead guilty to a misdemeanor. You got others that are going to jail for three-and-a-half years. And you know, the president comes out and says, Well, Hillary Clinton -- there's no evidence of a national security breach. Now, he's walked that back a little bit, considering there's an ongoing FBI investigation.

But the gross negligence statute that Catherine was just talking about is very significant, Sean. That's an espionage violation. And gross negligence, in my view, clearly would be having an unsecured server, in this particular case with a company that did not have a security clearance, with no protection. I think that raises -- obviously, if a grand jury was really investigating, this would be serious.

HANNITY: Rudy Giuliani, former prosecutor himself, former mayor of New York -- we keep putting him up on the screen, but we're talking about felonies here that he would be investigating if he were investigating this case. How many laws have you identified? He's identified about 15. We'll put them up on the screen.

SEKULOW: Well, I think there are probably 15, but I also think -- and one of those has to be obstruction of justice, and that is knowingly -- this whole information we've gotten in the last couple of weeks about the Platte River being asked to basically wash or clean the server with some e- mails that were on there.

So I think all of those play into it. Now, when we -- and by the way, Sean, when you look at, you know, 14, 15 statutes, there can be multiple violations of each one of those. So the real question here is the Department of Justice does the investigations through the FBI, and they get the evidence and they present it to the FBI. And then is Loretta Lynch, the attorney general of the United States, going to authorize a grand jury?  That's going to be the fundamental question here legally.

HANNITY: Well, if she doesn't, I got to tell you, every American should be outraged because of a double standard in the application of our laws.

Let me run a new RNC ad that they just released today comparing Clinton's flip-flops to that of John Kerry. Watch this.


PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: What the American people are looking for right now is straight answers to tough questions.  And that is not what we've seen out of Senator Clinton.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN MODERATOR: Secretary Clinton, I want to start with you. Plenty of politicians evolve on issues, but even some Democrats believe you change your positions based on political expediency. You were against same-sex marriage, now you're for it. You defended President Obama's immigration policies. Now you say they're too harsh. You supported his trade deal dozens of times. You even called it the gold standard. Now suddenly last week, you are against it.

Will you say anything to get elected?

CLINTON: I never took a position on Keystone until I took a position on Keystone.

THEN-SEN. JOHN KERRY, D-MASS.: I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it.


HANNITY: All right, so Jay, the final question. Based on the law, based on what we know, do you believe between that and the fact that most people find her to be a liar, dishonest and untrustworthy -- can she make it to be the president?

SEKULOW: Well, I think she's getting -- look, I think the DNC cleared the deck on that debate on CNN with Bernie Sanders saying the e-mails aren't an issue, and I think she becomes the nominee. Then the questions becomes, what do the people of Virginia, Florida and Ohio have to say about that? And I think that's where I think she runs into serious, serious trouble.

HANNITY: All right, Jay Sekulow, thank you for being with us.

When we come back...

SEKULOW: Thanks, Sean.

HANNITY: ... Donald Trump, Dr. Ben Carson are neck and neck in the latest FOX News poll. Dr. Carson is here to weigh in.

And then later tonight...


DONALD TRUMP, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I watched last night as Hillary and Bernie Sanders -- they just couldn't give things away fast enough! And they're giving them to illegal immigrants!


HANNITY: Donald Trump ripping the Democrats promising to give away everything for free, free, free, including to illegal immigrants. Geraldo Rivera and I go one on one.

Plus, Ohio governor John Kasich says he has a plan that will balance the federal budget in eight years so we stop robbing our kids. He's here to explain straight ahead.



HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity" from Washington, D.C. Donald Trump and Dr. Benjamin Carson -- they're neck and neck in the latest FOX News national poll. Now, Trump leads with 24 percent, but Dr. Carson right behind with 23 percent.

And here's what Trump had to say about Dr. Carson last night. Take a look.


TRUMP: He's been very nice to me, very respectful and nice. And I've also been very nice to him. We have so far gotten along very well. Every once in a while, I want him to say something bad so I can go after him, but he's been so nice, I can't do that.


HANNITY: All right, here with reaction, the author of the brand-new book, "A More Perfect Union: What We the People Can Do to Reclaim our Constitutional Liberties," 2016 Republican presidential candidate Dr. Benjamin Carson.

I don't know if that's an invitation to attack Donald Trump, or maybe Donald Trump is hoping you attack him. How do you take that?

DR. BEN CARSON, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I take it as quite humorous. You know, he's going to be waiting a long time if he's waiting for me to attack him because, you know, we have such huge problems in this country right now, and I'm really going to be focusing my attention on that.

And that was the reason that I wasn't all that animated in the last CNN debate because it was all about, you know, Here's my dog, sic 'em, you know? You know, that kind of stuff is foolishness as far as I'm concerned.

HANNITY: But isn't a debate an opportunity, when you -- when they do get to you, to really lay out your plans, your ideas, your visions and differentiate yourself from the other candidates?

CARSON: And that's the kind of debate that I'm looking forward to.  And hopefully, as time goes on, we will get into substance and real solutions. That's what I want to look forward to.

HANNITY: All right, I want to go to the Democratic debate the other night. And the question came up, do black lives matter or do all lives matter? And I want you to watch the answer.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do black lives matter or do all lives matter?  Let's put that question to Senator Sanders.

SANDERS: Black lives matter.


SANDERS: And the reason -- the reason those words matter is the African-American community knows that on any given day, some innocent person like Sandra Bland can get into a car, and then three days later, she's going to end up dead in jail.

MARTIN O'MALLEY, D-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The point that the Black Lives Matter movement is making is a very, very legitimate and serious point, and that is that as a nation, we have undervalued the lives of black lives, people of color.


CLINTON:  We need a new New Deal for communities of color!



HANNITY: And 4 of the 5 agreed that they would choose black lives matter! Now, maybe I'm old-fashioned, but why do I believe that every single life matters, Dr. Carson? You're a physician.

CARSON: Well, you, like me, believe that this is the United States of America, not the divided states of America. And we should be looking at how do we take all of our people into consideration.

This is a very serious issue. We only have 330 million people.  China, India have more than a billion people. That means we need to develop all of our people. We need to get the most bang for the buck out of all of our people, and our policies should be aimed at promoting everyone getting a good education, providing the right kind of opportunity.  It strengthens us. It strengthens the fabric of our country. That's what we need to be worried about, not how we divide ourselves up into little special groups.

HANNITY: Is that a racist comment?

CARSON: Which one?

HANNITY: Black lives matter...


HANNITY: When you're given a choice -- when you're given the choice, do black lives matter, do all lives matter and you pick one race, is that racist?

CARSON: Well, I believe that the people who started that thought that they were doing something good. I hope that they will reassess and think more globally.

You know, I have, you know, gone on record talking about, you know, particularly in the black community, if you're really going to be concerned about the lives, let's talk about the abortions, the number one cause of death in the black community. And let's talk about the homicides. Let's talk about all of it.

But more importantly, as a whole society, let's talk about the values and principles that made us into a great nation. And let's talk about the compassion that we have for each other and what we can do to strengthen ourselves.

You know, we have global jihadists who want to come in here and destroy us and our way of life. The last thing we need to do is to pit ourselves against each other, get into our respective corners and throw hand grenades at each other. This is absolutely the wrong way to be going right now.

CARSON: Let me ask you then specifically, because if you look at minority communities all across America, they have been disproportionately negatively impacted by the policies of President Obama now the last seven years.

CARSON: Exactly.

HANNITY: That means more are in poverty, more are unemployed, more are out of the labor force. So my question to you is, how do you get these people that are using food stamps, getting food stamps, in poverty, out of work, not even counted anymore by the government?

What is your plan specifically to get these people back into the mainstream of society, contributing and prospering and succeeding and bringing their talents to fruition?

CARSON: Well, we have to understand what are the forces that are keeping people down. You know, we have the most powerful economic engine that the world has ever known, but it's very difficult for that engine to operate with so many regulations.

It wasn't meant that the government would be into every aspect of our lives and controlling everything. They need to go back and read the Constitution. They need to read, you know, my book, you know, "A More Perfect Union," and find out what the duties of the government are.

But every one of those regulations costs us in terms of goods and services. But it hurts poor people and middle class people much more than it does wealthy people.

You know, quite frankly, Sean, you and I, if we go to the store and the box of detergent has gone up 30 cents, it doesn't affect us, but it affects someone who is poor. It affects a middle class person who has a big shopping cart full of multiple things that have gone up 30 cents.

So you know, we need to be thinking about that kind of thing. We also need to be looking at the national debt. This administration has driven the national debt to unsustainable levels. That national debt has a deleterious effect on us because the Fed is stuck. They can't really raise the interest rates because the debt service is just much too high, if you raise the interest rates to a normal level.

And poor people and middle class people have no good mechanism for increasing their earnings like they used to because of that. Also, banks are not incentivized to make loans to small people. And where does your business go?

You know, this is just -- I'm just scratching the surface, but you know, the fact of the matter is, the right kind of policies, getting things moving again -- we don't need to divide ourselves up. We need to make a situation available so that everybody can climb out of that pit of dependency and become part of the fabric and success of America.

HANNITY: Let me ask you one last question because I assume there's a correlation between your rise in the polls and the level of attacks that have been coming your way. And very specifically, you performed as a medical doctor 15,000-plus surgeries. You consulted on thousands of others. There were six cases in which you were sued, and a big story that they're trying to turn into a headline is you left a sponge in some person's brain.

And I wanted to give you a chance to explain to people the truth of that. And number two, the level of experience that you had and the types of surgeries you performed.

CARSON: Well, you know, there is a certain type of operation that we do called a microvascular decompression. And we put these little micro- sponges in between the vessels and the nerve to keep the vessel from pounding on the nerve, and that generally alleviates the pain. Sometimes, people react to the sponges, very, very rare. In that particular case, there was a reaction to it. You know, there's nothing you can do about that except, obviously, if it's causing problems, to remove it. And you know...

HANNITY: All right -- yes. Go ahead.

CARSON: ... this is a desperate attempt, just a desperate attempt to find some dirt.

HANNITY: All right, Dr. Carson. Always good to see you. Thank you for being with us, sir.

CARSON: All right. You, too.

HANNITY: And coming up next tonight from Washington, D.C. -- up next on "Hannity"...


TRUMP: I watched last night as Hillary and Bernie Sanders -- they just couldn't give things away fast enough! And they're giving them to illegal immigrants!


HANNITY: Oh, free stuff, Donald Trump railing against the Democrats.  Coming up next, Geraldo Rivera is here to weigh in.

And then later tonight...


KASICH: Today, I lay out my vision for lifting our nation by reclaiming our power, by reclaiming our money, and by reclaiming our influence from Washington.


HANNITY: 2016 Republican presidential candidate Ohio governor John Kasich reveals his plan to balance the federal budget in eight years.  He'll join us and explain how he'll do it, so maybe we'll stop robbing from our kids. That's straight ahead.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So during the Democratic debate, nearly every candidate on stage promised massive increases in government handouts, including new benefits for illegal immigrants. Now, needless to say, the 2016 Republican front-runner Donald Trump -- he wasn't too pleased.

And last night during a rally in Richmond, Virginia, he slammed his Democratic opponents. Watch this.


TRUMP: I watched last night as Hillary around Bernie Sanders -- they just couldn't give things away fast enough! And they're giving them to illegal immigrants! They want health care for illegal immigrants. They want driver's license for illegal immigrants. They're suggesting -- listen to this. They're suggesting Social Security for illegal immigrants!



HANNITY: Here now with reaction, Fox News senior correspondent, our friend, Geraldo Rivera. Geraldo, you don't respect American laws. You don't respect American sovereignty. You come to America, you get legal driver's licenses, in-state tuition breaks. Now you're going to get Social Security benefits, "Obama care" subsidies, free childhood education and free child care/health care!

You know, at what point are we just not admitting that we are rewarding illegal activity and it's in direct conflict to the laws of the land!

GERALDO RIVERA, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: You know, Sean, first of all, let me just say that I understand how emotional this issue is and how the vast majority of people watching us right now feel that exactly the list that you enumerated...

HANNITY: Because it's nuts!

RIVERA: ... is offensive to them, to the extent that they'll be motivated to vote for a candidate like Donald Trump, probably Donald Trump because I think that he will be the Republican nominee.

But let me just take for 15 seconds the other side of the story.  Remember, the undocumented immigrants, the 11 million or more who are here, they do pay a lot in taxes, and let me explain how. According to the Congressional Budget Office, they pay more into the federal treasury than they take out. They pay sales tax. They pay property tax. They pay gift tax. They pay income tax to phony accounts. They pay Social Security tax to accounts that are bogus. that they have no hope of ever redeeming.

They do the three Ds -- they do the demeaning, the dirty, the dangerous jobs that most Americans don't want to do -- poultry processing, for example. We're outsourcing our poultry processing to China now because we can't find the people to do it here.

So this is a population, the vast majority of whom are hard-working and law-abiding.

HANNITY: Geraldo...

RIVERA: And what they -- what they want...

HANNITY: ... I love you to death...

RIVERA: ... is to get some benefits.

HANNITY: If we have laws and you're an attorney and it's the law of the land and you don't respect our laws and our sovereignty, you don't deserve the benefits of America! And I don't think it's lacking in compassion -- for example, I love what Australia does. If you come on a boat and you're headed towards Australia, if you're sick, they give you medicine. If you're hungry, they give you food. If you need water, they give you water. But they do not allow you into that country illegally!

How come America has to bear this burden? You know, we're $20 trillion in debt!

RIVERA: Again, I absolutely understand the logic of your position, and I think that no sovereign country can have porous borders. We have to have strength in borders.

But we're talking about people, men, women and children who are already here, some for decades. Many have citizen-born children. We would not argue that those citizen-born children certainly...

HANNITY: Well, that's insane, too!

RIVERA: ... have access to ObamaCare.

HANNITY: I'm not...

RIVERA: We can argue the 14th Amendment all day long. But what I'm saying is we need a practical approach. When I spoke to Donald Trump this morning -- I mean, you know I love the guy like I love you. He's been a friend of mine for decades.

And I said to him, You know, I understand your position, but just -- all you have to do is lower the temperature, the rhetoric. Stop with the - - you're not going to go door to door and demand of Latino families, Show me your papers, you separate the documented from the undocumented. These are impractical. You can't do it.

Why don't you lower the -- because I care about Donald Trump, and I care about his candidacy and his viability. He's deeply unpopular among Latinos.

HANNITY: Will you vote for him?

RIVERA: He's -- he's...

HANNITY: Will you vote for him?

RIVERA: I would vote for him if he changed this language. He has -- this is an issue -- like I know how you feel about abortion. I know that you could never vote for someone who was pro-choice or pro-abortion. I could never vote for someone who has a draconian approach to dealing with these otherwise innocent and law-abiding people who've been...


HANNITY: I once voted for Rudy Giuliani, but I also knew as mayor of New York, that he wasn't -- nothing he was going to do was going to impact the issue of abortion. And he and I have a disagreement on that.

Look, the only thing I would say, Geraldo, is this. I don't buy the argument that Americans think this work is beneath them. I think the problem is, is when people come here illegally, they offer big business cheap labor and they go for the cheaper labor, and they're hurting American citizens that would otherwise, in fact, do those jobs. We've got to get control of this. I -- you know, I care about the American...


RIVERA: You want to pay $40 a watermelon? I mean, you want to pay -- for a dozen tomatoes, you want to pay 50 bucks? I mean, it's just not going to happen. You're not going to change the culture now...

HANNITY: Then we can have worker permits, if needed...


RIVERA: I am totally for that.

HANNITY: ... out of the labor force. I don't think we're there yet!

RIVERA: I even agree with Eric Bolling on that. I think that we could vastly...


HANNITY: What does that mean, even agree with Eric Bolling?

RIVERA: Well...

HANNITY: I got to roll.

RIVERA: OK, buddy.

HANNITY: All right, Geraldo. I'm counting you in as a Trump vote.

And coming up next tonight right here on "Hannity"...


KASICH: As president, I will immediately -- I will immediately put us on a path to a balanced budget and I will get it done within eight years!


HANNITY: 2016 Republican presidential candidate, the Ohio governor John Kasich says he has a plan to balance our budget and stop robbing our kids. He'll do it in eight years. He's here to explain how he would do that. That's straight ahead.


GOV. JOHN KASICH, R-OHIO, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: -- put us on a path to a balanced budget and I will get it done within eight years.


HANNITY: 2016 Republican presidential candidate, the Ohio governor, John Kasich says he has a plan to balance our budget and stop robbing our kids. He'll do it in eight years. He's here to explain how he would do that. That's straight ahead.  


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So after nearly doubling America's national debt, President Obama will soon leave behind a massive fiscal mess for the next occupant of the Oval Office. Earlier today 2016 Republican presidential candidate Ohio Governor John Kasich laid out his plans to balance the federal budget and stop robbing our kids in just eight years, and he joins us in our Washington studio. How are you, governor? Good to see you.

KASICH: Sean, hi.

HANNITY: I want to remind people, you were the house budget committee chair. You balanced the budget. You left us a surplus. True?

KASICH: Paid down debt.

HANNITY: Paid down the debt.

KASICH: Grew jobs.

HANNITY: Grew jobs. All right, as governor you took on a debt of $8 billion, and now you have a surplus --

KASICH: It's $2 billion. And we're up about 347,000 jobs.

HANNITY: You've done it. All right, tell us how you're going to take away $20 trillion in debt, unfunded liabilities of about $120 trillion, save Social Security and Medicare? How you going to do that?

KASICH: Well, it's like how do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. And so we have a legitimate plan that freezes the non-defense discretionary, does put more money into defense spending. It controls the entitlements of Medicaid by sending it back to the states, Medicare with modern ways to approach health care. And we just take everything on, Sean.  But we also have economic growth because we have tax cuts, both for businesses so they'll invest in America and not in Europe.

HANNITY: What would your tax rate be?

KASICH: It would be 25 percent.

HANNITY: That's high, though.

KASICH: We're going to have repatriation so all their money can come back.

HANNITY: For free?

KASICH: Yes, for free. And expensing. And, look, here is the thing.  You can put a chicken in every pot, but at the end of the day numbers have to add up. So when I was chairman of the budget committee here we cut the capital gains rate to 15. It unleashed economic growth and revenue. And by restraining spending and growing the economy we got to balance and a surplus. The same thing in Ohio and the same thing in this plan. So it's not just one thing. You have to grow the economy. That's why we are freezing regulations for a year.

HANNITY: You can get rid of a bunch of them?

KASICH: Well, we are. And we're going to have a court of common sense so that a guy like you can actually go to normal people who take a look at some of the silly thing government does and puts a halt to it. We want to be energy independent.

HANNITY: In how many years can you make us energy independent?

KASICH: We can do it. We can make ourselves energy independent forever as long as we do everything.

HANNITY: Can you give me years? Five years means fracking. That means drilling.

KASICH: Yes. It means everything.

HANNITY: Expand coal mining.

KASICH: It means everything. Dig coal, clean it, burn it. It also involves nuclear.

So, look, it takes everything. It takes regulatory reform. It takes an energy policy. It takes a reasonable trade policy so workers are not run over. It takes being able to make the hard choices on the budget and also to cut taxes so that our children are not enslaved in debt and we can get this economy growing. I've done it twice. I'll do it thrice.

HANNITY: OK, I like that line. But when you say freeze, that means you're going to get rid of baseline budgeting, gone.

KASICH: Oh, yes. No, no, no, and we're going to ship a bunch of programs out. Education -- 100 programs. We're going to send them to the states in three or four buckets.

HANNITY: I like the idea that you're going to let people, the trillions of dollars that corporations, multi-national corporations -- I think it is higher.

KASICH: It might be.

HANNITY: And they'd be able to bring it back tax-free. Brilliant.  Energy independence, that will create millions of jobs, get people off of food stamps, out of poverty.

KASICH: Spur the economy.

HANNITY: Move the tax cuts forward. The bottom 50 percent pay zero income tax.

KASICH: We're going to take the Reagan rates at 28 percent, individual rate, and capital gains back to 15. And so that should provide -- kill the death tax. And I killed it in Ohio. We're going to kill it for the country.

HANNITY: I'm listening to your -- everything you're saying would work. Everything, I agree you can balance our budget. Eight years is a very ambitious plan. Why not drop the corporate tax rate to 15 percent and make America the tax haven of the world?

KASICH: Because, Sean, I've got to make sure the numbers work. I can promise a chicken in every pot, we'll pay no taxes. Come on.

HANNITY: No, no, I'm asking.

KASICH: Because you have to make it work. There is --

HANNITY: You want to grow the economy more, multi-national corporations come here.

KASICH: But look, what you want to do is you do want to cut those taxes, but if you and I own a restaurant and we have no customers, we would lower our prices but we would also reduce our overhead. You've got to do both. Not just grow the economy by cutting taxes and being able to freeze regulations, but also to be able to reduce your expenditures. And what this place wants to do, they just want to cut taxes but they don't want to deal with spending. You got to do both. That's what we've done in Ohio.  That's what I did when I was here --

HANNITY: You know I'm an advocate of the penny plan.

KASICH: "Penny" Kasich, a penny out of every dollar. I was "penny" Kasich.

HANNITY: So instead of freeze, you go for the penny plan and cut a penny out of every dollar.

KASICH: Sean, we might. There's nobody else that has a plan like this. This plan has been deemed very credible. And you know what else, what people are saying, if anybody can do it, Kasich can do it because he's done it before.

See, you can always put a plan out and stand on a street corner and yell. But I have the experience to actually get it done and the record to prove that I know how to do it. And it takes skill to get the Congress to do it. This plan, this plan is reasonable enough that we can get it enacted. In the first 100 days I'll send it to Congress. And they'll be more.

HANNITY: Didn't you hear those people on the stage the other night?  They want to give you free, free, free everything.

KASICH: Let me give you another thing. There's not going to be as many departments by the time we get done.

HANNITY: What's going out?

KASICH: We're working on it. Education, we're going to block grant all the money back. We're also going to transfer, cut the Gordian knot on welfare regulations. Infrastructure, no longer send your gas money to Washington. Keep it here. Just keep it in the states. See, all these things are a well-thought-out plan of returning power, money, and influence back to the states, growing the economy, getting to balance and beginning to deal with the national debt. All this comes together. It's not just one idea. It is a big bundle of ideas.

HANNITY: This is a moral imperative. It is immoral that we are robbing our kids blind. It's got to stop.

KASICH: Sean --

HANNITY: I like your plan.

KASICH: Let me explain, I'm running for president not because I want to have a television show, a book, or anything else. I already have that.  I know how to do this, to put a team together to fix this country. And you want to know something? Before it is all said and done I'll have Democrats helping. It won't be a lot of them, but we will have Democrats helping.  I've done it before and I'm going to do it again, for our children.

HANNITY: Godspeed. I hope you do.

KASICH: Thank you.

HANNITY: Thank you.

All right, coming up next tonight right here on "Hannity" --


CLINTON: I can't think of anything more of an outsider than electing the first woman president, but I'm not just running because I would be the first woman president.



HANNITY: All right, more reaction to Hillary Clinton reminding everyone, yes, she's a woman, at the democratic debate. She told us again and again and again. We'll debate that next.  



CLINTON: I think being the first woman president would be quite a change from the presidents we've had up until this point, including can President Obama.


CLINTON: I can't think of anything more of an outsider than electing the first woman president but I'm not just running because I would be the first woman president.


CLINTON: And yes, finally, fathers will be able to say to their daughters, you, too, can grow up to be president.


HANNITY: That was Hillary Clinton during Tuesday night's debate using the opportunity once again to remind you, the viewers, that she's a woman.  Will it help? Will it hurt her candidacy? Here with reaction, Fox News contributor Eboni Williams, Republican strategist Mercedes Schlapp. All right, Eboni, I've got to start here. OK, she's a woman. I'd love to see a woman president. Not her, anybody but her. And she kept going back to that as if that somehow makes a distinction. I'm not exactly impressed with a woman who takes money from Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Kuwait and all these countries that treat women horribly, and after she takes their money she never criticizes them. It looks like they bought her silence.

EBONI WILLIAMS, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Sean, I'm very obviously also a woman, and I found it completely annoying and insulting, in fact, to suggest that other women should vote for you. Why? Because we all have ovaries? It's ridiculous.


WILLIAMS: Now, I'm happy as anybody that women are thriving in this country at the highest possible levels. But to suggest that you should be running on your gender versus how about the fact that you were a United States senator? How about the fact you've been secretary of state? She actually has a record she should be running on, not her gender.

HANNITY: Mercedes, I'd vote for you for president. I think you would be a great president.

MERCEDES SCHLAPP, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: I think my 12-year-old daughter wants to become the first woman president because surely we do not want Hillary Clinton to become the first woman president.

   The problem becomes is that gender has become part of her qualification which is just ridiculous, right? Are we at a point in America that we are so obsessed with gender, ethnic, racial politics?  Seriously, Sean, it is about the first African-American president, now the first woman president. And she is playing up that card.        

But is it going to work? I don't know. You're seeing downward trends in the polls from Democratic women who are rah-rah rallying for her 75 percent back last December, 2014, now down to 51 percent. She's going to keep pushing that card because it is an important, key constituency.         

HANNITY: Go back to the 2012 election of Mitt Romney. What a horrible thing he did. He declared war on women because he actually accumulated resume in the hopes on hiring them. And that was deemed by the liberal media as a war on women. I think the real war on women is taking money from these countries that don't let women drive or where women need four male eyewitnesses for rape, or women are just treated appalling.

SCHLAPP: Or the real war on women being single moms, many of them, in poverty. We've seen an increase in poverty, more single women getting food stamps where they don't have economic opportunity. The topic issue in 2012 for women was the economy and a candidate that is going to fight for them.  And I think that's where Hillary is going to try to go, which is where the Republicans, if they're smart enough, would say, hey, we definitely need to make sure that we help women, single women, married women with their economic issues, which is something that the Democrats brought up in their debate.

HANNITY: I think that's a good point. Eboni, let me go back to this issue. She took money from all these countries that treat women horribly.  I have Googled and I have searched. We have a brain room at FOX. I've had them look. I can't find her criticizing these countries with these atrocious records of women's right, but she took their money. Did they buy her silence?

WILLIAMS: I think certainly that was her putting politics above everything else. And she is a politician, and so I am not even necessarily so surprised at that, Sean. But here's another point. She made a distinction when she was at the debate the other night between her and President Obama. Could you imagine the outrage had President Obama actually ran, and I know you're no fan of the president, Sean, but imagine how he runs talking about make me the first black president? It would be outrageous.

SCHLAPP: He did.

WILLIAMS: No. He did not. Some people might have supported him because they wanted to see that, but you never heard the candidate Barack Obama talking about that.

SCHLAPP: He totally did.


   WILLIAMS: We never heard that. He talked about his vision for America and his agenda. For Hillary to just blithely say that?

SCHLAPP: There was definitely a sense of a Democratic Party that they knew --

WILLIAMS: I understand that, Mercedes.

SCHLAPP: The fact that he was --

WILLIAMS: As a candidate, he did not do that.


WILLIAMS: But as a candidate, Mercedes, politically speaking, he never ran on his race.

SCHLAPP: It was definitely something that the Democratic Party pushed and --

   WILLIAMS: As a candidate he never ran on that.        


WILLIAMS: What we are seeing from Hillary is that she is actually absolutely unapologetically running on her agenda. That is very different.

SCHLAPP: She lost in 2008. Why? Because she decided she wasn't going to use the gender card.


WILLIAMS: I think she lost because she wasn't the best candidate, Mercedes.     

SCHLAPP: The campaign has changed its strategy. And that's why they're moving towards --

   WILLIAMS: But she was still a woman in 2008, Mercedes. She was still a woman in 2008 and she lost because she wasn't the strongest candidate.

SCHLAPP: One of the reasons the campaign has shifted its strategy for Hillary Clinton is the fact that they're saying push the women issue. Why?  Because women voters are the majority in this country.

WILLIAMS: And it's not working for her.

   SCHLAPP: No, it's not, thank God.       

WILLIAMS: She's got to be stronger on her agenda.

HANNITY: We need to get rid of identity politics.

SCHLAPP: I'm with you, Sean.

HANNITY: Thank you all for being us. Good to see you in the studio.  Mercedes, thank you.

SCHLAPP: Thank you.

HANNITY: Coming up next, our "Ask Sean" segment, plus we need your help, a very, very important question of the day. I'll give you a hint.  It was one of the questions thrown to the Democratic candidates two nights ago.  


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Time for our "Question of the Day." So do black lives matter or do all lives matter? As you know that came up during the Democratic debate. Just go to Facebook.com/SeanHannity, @SeanHannity on Twitter, let us know what you think.

Now it's time for the "Ask Sean" segment. You've been sending in questions via Facebook and Twitter that you'd like to ask me. And here's tonight's question.  


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What kind of policies would you propose to help students like me who are going to be in crippling debt after graduation?


HANNITY: You know, it's a great question. And I remember I paid $58.05 every year for 10 years to pay back student loan debt. But I was also working. I went to school. I had to drop out three times, go back to school, earn money, go back to school. So it's a tough question. Maybe one of the issues is I don't think you need to go to the big name schools necessarily to get the education you're looking for. So look for a good deal in education is the first thing I would say. Then, of course, working hard never hurt anybody. That is my advice.

If you have a question just go to Twitter, use the #AskSean, even better, send in a video and you can be a big TV star.

All right, that's all the time we have left this evening from Washington. We hope you'll set your DVR so you never miss an episode.  We'll see you back here tomorrow night.  

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