Jeb Bush: Dem candidates battling to go further left; Why can't we say 'all lives matter?'

GOP candidate talks first Democratic debate, Clinton scandal and policy views on 'Hannity'


This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," October 14, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: And welcome to "Hannity." So the first 2016 Democratic debate is in the books, and tonight, we've got some of the most outrageous comments from this liberal showdown. Now, let's start with the Clinton server scandal. Now, last night, the self-proclaimed socialist, Bernie Sanders, teamed up with his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton, to deflect criticism away from her massive e-mail scandal. Watch this.


HILLARY CLINTON, D-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Tonight, I want to talk not about my e-mails, but about what the American people want from the next president of the United States.


BERNIE SANDERS, D-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Let me say something that may not be great politics, but I think the secretary is right. And that is that the American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails!

Enough of the e-mails. Let's talk about the real issues facing America!


CLINTON: Thank you, Bernie!


HANNITY: All right, now, sadly, when Sanders and Clinton weren't trying to sweep this major scandal under the rug, they spent a great deal of time bashing one of America's core principles -- you know, capitalism?  Take a look.


SANDERS: Do I consider myself part of the casino capitalist process by which so few have so much and so many have so little, by which Wall Street's greed and recklessness wrecked this economy? No, I don't.

CLINTON: It's our job to rein in the excesses of capitalism so that it doesn't run amok and doesn't cause the kind of inequities that we're seeing in our economic system.


HANNITY: And of course, corporations have to share their profits.  Must -- the government's going to force them!

And that's not all. Just when you thought the Democratic debate couldn't get any worse, all the candidates came together to tell you, the American people, how much free stuff you're going to get. Watch this.


CLINTON: My plan would enable anyone to go to a public college or university tuition-free.

SANDERS: You don't cut Social Security, you expand it. We are going to have medical and family paid leave, like every other country on earth.

CLINTON: I want to enhance the benefits for the poorest recipients of Social Security.

O'MALLEY: We would be a stronger nation economically if we had paid family leave.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You support the undocumented immigrants getting "Obama care."

JIM WEBB, D-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I wouldn't have a problem with that.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN MODERATOR: Two of your rivals from your left, Governor O'Malley and Senator Sanders, want to provide in-state college tuition to undocumented immigrants. Where do you stand on that?

CLINTON: My plan would support any state that takes that position.


HANNITY: All right, here with analysis, author of the book "A Disgrace to the Profession," our friend, Mark Steyn.

All right, let me -- let me sum it up. Democrats want to confiscate wealth. You get free everything under their plan.


HANNITY: Only black lives matter, Mark! They said so last night.  Hillary reminded us often she's a woman, very important point that came out of the debate last night. Climate change...

STEYN: I never knew that.


HANNITY: Climate change is a bigger problem than Putin, Iran and ISIS, and no wonder that Joy Behar was aroused watching the debate. Your thoughts.


STEYN: Yes. I mean, what I find odd is that the whole rationale for Joe Biden getting in is that Bernie Sanders is too far to the left. On that stage last night, with the exception of Jim Webb, everyone was too far to the left.

The idea that this is a party of Scoop Jackson Democrats who need to be -- rein in the craziness of Bernie Sanders -- they're all ready to join him. All of them are ready to join him on the socialist's ledge.

By the end, when they were offering -- did I hear that right, they were offering free college tuition to illegal immigrants so that, in theory, anyone on the planet who can make it across the Rio Grande is entitled to do a seven-year bachelor's in navel gazing studies at Berkeley.  That is terrific! That is great news. That is the platform that Hillary and Bernie and the rest of them are happy to run on.

HANNITY: All right, here's the difference, though, between Obama 2007 and '08 and this slate of candidates today, although some of them were so bad and so dumb and so unimpressive, I was a little stunned. But Obama did a better job of hiding his real identity. You know, it was only that brief moment with Joe the plumber -- spread the wealth around.

STEYN: Right.

HANNITY: They're openly saying everything that Obama was hiding!  Politically, does that hurt them if -- whoever gets to the main event?

STEYN: Well, that is the big difference. Obama in 2008 was doing all this, There are no red states, there are no blue states, there are just American states. He was being Mr. Moderate, Mr. Centrist.

I think -- Bernie Sanders is running on what he believes, but I think Hillary and the others have made a calculation that the Democratic Party base has shifted. You know, Lincoln Chafee said last night he didn't leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left him. Well, it's the other way around for Bernie Sanders, the socialist. He didn't join the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party joined him.

The things that would be career killers when Bernie Sanders was running -- first started running for mayor of Burlington in the 1980s, the things that would have been insane in the Bill Clinton-era Democrat Party, are now conventional wisdom. That was an explicitly socialist redistribunist (sic) -- redistributonishnist (sic) party that, as Bernie said, thinks America ought to be a large Sweden. Good luck trying to -- trying to have...

HANNITY: All right, here's the question...

STEYN: ... Sweden for 300 million people.

HANNITY: Call it whatever you want, statism, socialist, redistribution -- they're openly saying this. They want to confiscate...

STEYN: Right.

HANNITY: ... the money from one group of people, redistribute it, add all of these programs. But the question is, is the appeal such when 50 percent of Americans don't pay any federal income tax...

STEYN: Right.

HANNITY: Is there wide enough appeal that, Hey, the government's going to give me free stuff, and they're going to take it from this guy and give it to me, that they can win on that?

Has America shifted away from liberty and freedom and capitalism towards this socialist utopia, which we all know will fail eventually and collapse among...

STEYN: Yes, well, on the numbers, Sean, there -- you know, technically, more millennials can vote in 2016 than Baby Boomers. So what people like Bernie figure -- back when Bernie took his honeymoon in the Soviet Union, that would be considered an unusual quirk even for a Democrat to do.

By the time he announced -- it was brought up by Anderson Cooper last night -- the oddball was Jim Webb, who when Bernie was honeymooning in the Soviet Union, Jim Webb was taking Vietcong bullets in the jungles of Southeast Asia. That seems far weirder to the Democrat base than Bernie's honeymoon in the Soviet Union.

HANNITY: All right...

STEYN: This, by the way, at a time when the Soviet Union has put together...


STEYN: ... the old alliance and has got Cuban troops fighting for him in Syria! They've bet that there are now -- that every year, people who believe in the old Constitution and the founding fathers -- they die off, and these young millennials who agree with him on Denmark and Sweden and Norway...

HANNITY: All right, final question...

STEYN: ... go to the polls.

HANNITY: Yes, there was a good point Anderson Cooper made. Denmark has a population of 5.6 million, not exactly...

STEYN: Right.

HANNITY: ... analogous to what -- the situation we have here. Sixty percent of Americans believe Hillary's a liar, she's dishonest and untrustworthy. Can she win with those numbers?

STEYN: Yes. No. I think -- I think she staunched (sic) the flow.  But I actually thought -- you know, everyone thinks that Bernie's lying about "the country's sick of your damn e-mails," is -- is that he's climbed in the tank with her and that, basically, that line absolved her of any guilt.

I think he actually did something very clever. He said, You're tainting my epic, heroic, revolutionary socialist struggle.


STEYN: And I think that's why all the romance on the Democrat side is still with Bernie. She may have staunched (sic) the damage.

The three midgets, as Karl Rove calls them, are irrelevant. But I think -- I think the energy and enthusiasm is still with his...

HANNITY: I agree.

STEYN: ... socialist revolutionary firebrand rhetoric, all that, you know, Ah! You know, all the stuff you're told you shouldn't do on television, Bernie Sanders does!


STEYN: And his numbers go up like crazy! It's a whole new approach...


HANNITY: ... he can come work for NBC. All right, Mark Steyn...

STEYN: That's right!

HANNITY: Thank you, sir.

Coming up, 2016 presidential candidate Jeb Bush -- he's here to weigh in on last night's debate and the latest poll numbers.

Then later tonight...


CLINTON: I can't think of anything more of an outsider than electing the first woman president, but I'm not just running because I would be the first woman president.



HANNITY: Ah, does Hillary Clinton -- is she really an outsider?  That's what she was trying to convince you, the viewers, last night. We'll check in with Penny Lee, Katie Pavlich, Jedediah Bila. They're all here to respond, and more.



HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Hillary Clinton's campaign is reportedly very happy with her debate performance last night, but they shouldn't get too excited. The latest FOX News poll shows the Democratic front-runner now trailing noteworthy Republicans in potential head-to-head matchups, including former governor Jeb Bush. Now, Bush would top Clinton 44 to 40 if they squared off in a general election.

Now, the GOP field also continues to take shape. According to the same FOX News poll, Donald Trump and Ben Carson are leading the way, followed by Ted Cruz. Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush are now pushing towards double digits.

Joining us now here with reaction, former Republican governor of the great state of Florida, Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush.

How are you, Governor? Good to see you.

JEB BUSH , R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: How are you doing, Sean? Everything's great here in New Hampshire.

HANNITY: All right, one question I think stands out in the polls.  You do very well in head-to-head matchups. You don't do as well in the primary matchups. How do you explain that?

BUSH: Well, we're just starting to get to the phase of the campaign that matters. We're starting to see advertising here in New Hampshire and Iowa, and my numbers are moving up. I'm campaigning hard. And over the long haul, all of this hard work will pay off.

But it's a long haul. Look, there's a long way to go. There will be ups and downs, as always. I've laid out a plan to repeal "Obama care" and replace it with a market-driven system that would empower more people and shift power away from Washington. I think ideas have consequences, and my record of experience is one I like to share with people, as well.

HANNITY: What were your thoughts about last night's Democratic primary debate?

BUSH: Well, it was -- there wasn't a lot of challenging going on, other than there were the -- the challenge was who could get further to the left. I mean, if you counted up the amount of money being spent last night, it was in the trillions of dollars.

And it was basically a validation of the failed economic policies of Barack Obama and the miserable foreign policy of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. And no one seemed to -- other than maybe Jim Webb occasionally, very few -- there was very little discussion about any disagreement. And I think doubling down on this failure is not the way to go for our country.

HANNITY: You know, to my -- my take on this was we now have an openly socialist party, and it's not just Bernie Sanders. I mean, you heard an outright assault on successful people in America that I think are already overtaxed, and Hillary talking about what, is the government going to come in and make companies profit-share? Are we going to do that by some government fiat or some law of some kind?

BUSH: Yes, I mean, it's -- it's -- the rhetoric is harsh left. And the simple fact is, six million more people are living in poverty today than the day Barack Obama got elected. And the disposable income is down $2,000. Workforce participation rates are lower than they were in 1977.  And to continue down this path will only help the wealthy.

The wealthy are doing great. I worry about people that are struggling in the middle. I think we need to go the exact opposite direction of moving regulation out of Washington, making it commonsensical by having an economic impact, rolling back some of these really aggressive rules, and dramatically reforming our tax code, which is stifling the ability for the next generation to get a job even.

HANNITY: You know, I listened to all the promises that were made last night. Now, President Obama will leave office, and he will accumulate more debt than any other president before him combined. You heard the laundry list, a new New Deal, free college education for everybody, free health care for children, expanding Social Security and Medicare, in-state tuition rates for illegal immigrants. Similarly, "Obama care" subsidies for illegal immigrants.

How -- the argument that you're going to give people something for free might be appealing to a lot of people. How do you make the argument that bankrupting the country is not a good idea to get there?

BUSH: Well, I think you have to -- we have the benefit now of all this -- all this -- this philosophy of offering free things to people not working. People -- the wrong track numbers in this country are historically high, and they stay high because people see declining incomes.  They've lost control. They don't think the system works for them.

I think the better message is, let's disrupt Washington, let's create a little bit of a recession in Washington, D.C., so that we can have economic prosperity outside of Washington. And I know how to do that because I was governor of a state that I got to do that as governor, and the state led the nation in job growth seven out of eight years.

That kind of attitude of cutting taxes, cutting government spending, reforming the things that are broken are what we need. And I think in this environment of deep pessimism, that message will work in a general election.

HANNITY: Governor, if my numbers -- if I recall the numbers correctly, you created nearly two million jobs as governor. You led the nation. You had how many tax cuts as the governor of the state of Florida?  You went to a AAA bond rating. And you used conservative principles.

You see America now, in terms of the economy, we're in decline, fewer people now working than ever before, 50 million Americans in poverty, 46 million Americans on food stamps, a doubling of the debt, median income down, health care costs going up 40 percent this year.

Can you apply the principles you used as governor effectively on a national level?

BUSH: This reminds me so much -- slightly different circumstances because the world's changed -- to 1979, where there was a deep pessimism in this country. And there came a president that offered hope and concrete plans to shift power away from Washington, to flatten the tax, to create a regulatory environment that worked, that gave people confidence that if they invested in their own dreams, those dreams could come true more often than not.

That's what we need again. We need a hopeful, optimistic message grounded in practical principles, conservative principles. I know we can do this. This is not the worst time in American history. We're acting like it because people have lost hope.

And I think we need to restore hope by shifting power away from Washington and disrupting the order there. If we do that, I think we could grow at a far faster rate. We'd see people getting the kind of pay raises that they haven't gotten in a long while.

HANNITY: You know, Bernie Sanders seemed to have the line of the night when he said, "The American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails." But there were people within the Obama administration that have been prosecuted for mishandling classified information. Do you think the American people are sick and tired of it?  And what are your thoughts on the e-mail scandal in general?

BUSH: Well, look, the partisans in that Vegas crowd were all cheering, but that's a small, tiny fraction of the American people. If you look at any of the numbers, Hillary Clinton's problem is that no one trusts her because she's not been forthcoming. She's not told the truth.

The e-mail issue is an issue of national security. She put her political ambitions ahead of the national security interests of this country. Hackers can get into any place, even into our own secure servers in the federal government. But to be able to have a private server and not expect people to -- with classified information going over those servers -- I mean, this is -- this is something that she has to come clean on, and she's not done it. There's an FBI investigation. I mean, this has not finished just because Bernie Sanders says that it has.

HANNITY: You know, Governor, as we go over your track record, when I first interviewed you in this election cycle at CPAC, we talked about your Florida record. We talked about you were the first state to institute vouchers, the jobs you created, the tax cuts you gave the people of Florida, the AAA rating.

And I also spent a lot of time at CPAC talking about immigration. As I listen to conservatives about this race, that's the one issue that keeps coming up, where they see -- where your position alienates the conservative base. Do you think maybe you should listen somewhat to what they're saying, considering it's such a big issue, that Americans feel very strongly about the rule of law, the people that didn't respect our sovereignty? Any chance that your -- that those words that you hear so often are resonating with you in any way?

BUSH: Listen, I do listen to people, for sure. And I've written a book about this, and border security and enforcing the rule of law has always been what I believe. And I believe it in a way that a practical way to make it happen.

We talk about a lot of things these days. This president hasn't enforced the law. There's a way to secure our border for sure and to deal with the 40 percent of illegal immigrants that come with a legal visa and just stay.

But I don't think it's practical to say to the 11 or 12 million people here illegally, just say round them up and send them out. That would cost hundreds of billion of dollars.

What I have proposed is a path to legal status for those that don't commit crimes, that work, that pay taxes, that learn English, that don't receive federal government assistance, and over an extended period of time, they earn legal status. They don't earn a path to citizenship.

That approach is a practical, conservative approach, and it resonates with people. But I totally get it. I mean, people are very angry that we can't control the border. I'm here in New Hampshire, Sean, where there's an epidemic of overdoses of heroin. I mean, a serious problem. And cheap heroin is crossing our border right now.

We should -- we have a duty to secure our border for national security purposes, for the flow of illegal drugs, for the rule of law, for a lot of good reasons. And that should be the first priority.

HANNITY: All right, Governor, we always appreciate your time. Thank you for being with us. And we hope to see you soon.

BUSH: Thanks, Sean.

HANNITY: All right, coming up next tonight right here on "Hannity"...


CLINTON: I think being the first woman president would be quite a change from the...


CLINTON: ... presidents we've had up until this point, including President Obama.


HANNITY: Is Hillary trying to label herself as an outsider during last night's debate? Did it work?

And then later tonight...


COOPER: Black lives matter, or do all lives matter? Let's put that question to Senator Sanders.

SANDERS: Black lives matter.


HANNITY: All lives don't matter? Pretty unbelievable. Liberals sticking with their talking points about the Black Lives Matter movement.  Larry Elder, Juan Williams, Sheriff David Clarke are here tonight to respond, straight ahead.



CLINTON: I can't think of anything more of an outsider than electing the first woman president. But I'm not just running...


CLINTON: ... because I would be the first woman president.

And yes, finally, fathers will be able to say to their daughters, You, too, can grow up to be president.


HANNITY: Wow. Hillary constantly reminding us during last night's debate she's a woman. Here with reaction, FOX News contributor Katie Pavlich, Democratic strategist Penny Lee and FOX news contributor Jedediah Bila.

I wouldn't have known that.


HANNITY: Is this a big surprise to us?

BILA: Pantsuits aside, I mean, this was shocking! I kept saying that. She wants to run this whole campaign based on the fact that she has a uterus. That's great that you have a uterus. I have one, too. I'm a proud female.

But that doesn't make you an outsider. Your gender has nothing to do with it. An outsider means you're someone who has tackled business as usual. You're someone that people believe they can send you into Washington and they believe will dig their heels in and tackle all of that D.C. establishment nonsense! What does your gender have to do with it?  How condescending is that to women?

HANNITY: That's a great point.

BILA: To say, You know what? This is all about reproductive parts.  You're going to come out and vote for me because I'm female. No, I'm not.  You're nothing like me!

HANNITY: Penny Lee, it's a great question. And also, if she's the women's candidate, then maybe she should have thought twice about taking money from Saudi Arabia, all -- the United Arab Emirates, the UAE, Kuwait, all these other countries that treat women horribly! She took money, and guess what? She never criticizes those counties and their treatment of women! Did they buy her silence?

PENNY LEE, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: (INAUDIBLE) that she does. If you look at her...

HANNITY: No, she doesn't! Penny Lee...


LEE: ... over the years, many, many years.


LEE: If you remember...

HANNITY: No, she doesn't!

LEE: ... one of the seminal speeches -- Sean, did you even know one of the seminal speeches that she made was going right into the heart of China, into Beijing, and stating that women's rights are human rights...

HANNITY: Did I mention China? I said Saudi Arabia. I said these Muslim countries. She took money from them. She didn't take money from China that I know of for the Clinton Foundation!

LEE: There is money from Chinese individuals that...


HANNITY: So that even proves my point. If you give money, you get...


LEE: ... in her work at the State Department, she had a department set up to deal with many of the women's issues.

HANNITY: Oh, my gosh!

LEE: And that was in working with those in Afghanistan...

HANNITY: All right, Katie...

LEE: ... working with those...

HANNITY: We're running out of time.

LEE: ... in Iran and other places. So it has been a lifelong pattern of her...

HANNITY: Lifelong buying her silence! Katie Pavlich.

KATIE PAVLICH, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Look, Hillary Clinton needs to understand that being a woman is not an accomplishment, and certainly, being a woman is not some special qualification that automatically gets you the presidency.

Hillary Clinton squandered an opportunity last night to say, This is why I should be president, this is why I'm a true outsider, and this is why you should elect me based on the merits. But instead, she ironically was sexist in the sense that she said, Vote for me because I'm a woman.

The feminists have to choose one or the other. They either have to want to be judged on the merits, the character and their work ethic and what they've accomplished, or they have to be judged on their gender. And she right now doesn't really want to talk about her record. She wants to talk about the fact that she might be the first female president, and that's what matters in terms of people voting for her.

BILA: And that's why she's losing women. If you keep -- if you look at the polling and you look at the way women are reacting to her, they're not happy about this. They're saying, You know what? Talk to me about policy. I don't care about this nonsense. I don't care about whether you're a woman. I care about whether or not you're going to be the person that's a vehicle for me to get jobs, for me to have a better life for myself and my family. Talk to me about those things.

And guess what, Hillary? Women also care about trust. When you poll women and you ask them around the country, they think she's dishonest.

HANNITY: That's a good point...

BILA: They question her integrity. So she thinks, Oh, people don't care about my e-mails? Oh, they do! We do!

HANNITY: (INAUDIBLE) focus group, a woman just used words that nobody should ever use about a woman. I mean, and it's universal. And women don't find her honest and trustworthy. They think she's a liar, Penny.  How do you overcome that?

LEE: It was a two-hour debate. And yes, she did bring up the fact that she was a woman, but if you listen to the full debate, you also heard her talk about solutions for early childhood, for solutions that...

HANNITY: All right, I know, money, money, money.


LEE: ... family medical leave.

BILA: More spending.

HANNITY: More spending, more stealing.


HANNITY: Oh, I'm sorry, taxing.

LEE: So there was a lot more to what she said than just simply the fact that...

HANNITY: All right, last word, Katie.

LEE: ... she will be an outsider.

HANNITY: Katie...


LEE: So let's keep this in context. It was a full two-hour debate, and there were many proposals.


PAVLICH: Hillary Clinton's record is not exactly pro-woman, and when it comes to the people she's associated with, the things that she said about women who she disagreed with. I think we should judge Hillary Clinton on her record, not on the fact that she's a woman. And by the way, there's also a woman running for president on the Republican side as well.

HANNITY: That's a good point.

All right, guys, thank you all for being with us.

And up next on "Hannity" --


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do black lives matter or do all lives matter?  Let's put that question to Senator Sanders.

SANDERS: Black lives matter.


HANNITY: Wow. All but one of the Democrats on stage last night threw their support behind the idea that only black lives matter, not all lives. We'll check in with Sheriff David Clarke, Larry Elder, Juan Williams, they're here with reaction. And after an unimpressive Democratic debate, is it now time for crazy uncle Joe Biden to jump in the race? That and more as "Hannity" continues.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So last night the Democratic presidential candidates were asked, do black lives matter or do all lives matter? Take a look at their responses.


   UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do black lives matter or do all lives matter?  Let's put that question to Senator Sanders.

SANDERS: Black lives matter. And the reason, the reason those words matter is the African-American community knows that on any given day some innocent person like Sandra Bland can get into a car, and then three days later she's going to end up dead in jail.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The point that the Black Lives Matter movement is making is a very, very legitimate and serious point, and that is that as a nation we have undervalued the lives of black lives, people of color.

CLINTON: We need a new new deal for communities of color.



HANNITY: You may remember that Governor O'Malley got booed when he actually said that all lives matter and then later he ended up apologizing.  Watch this.


MARTIN O'MALLEY, D-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Every life matters.  And that is why this issue is so important. Black lives matter, white lives matter, all lives matter.



HANNITY: Out of the candidates who answered that question, only former Virginia Senator Jim Webb said that all lives matter.         

Joining us now with reaction, Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke, CRN-KRLA radio host Larry Elder, and Fox News political analyst Juan Williams. Sheriff, I'm having a hard time with this. White lives matter, black lives matter, Asian lives matter, Hispanic lives matter, blue lives matter. What is so controversial about saying all lives matter? And what does it say when somebody won't say that?

DAVID CLARKE, MILWAUKEE COUNTY SHERIFF: Sean, it was a pathetic display. It was plantation politics in its finest hour, the continued enslavement of black people emotionally by the Democrat party with this destructive liberal ideology. And they know it. They're whoring for votes. They know that's what they're doing. The liberal ideology has been very destructive for the black community for the last 50 or 60 years.

Poverty is now generational. It's a lifestyle. The unemployment is obscene. They have to send their kids to failing public schools, drug and alcohol addiction, neighborhoods that are crumbling all under Democrat control. They need to get off their knees and stop this stuff and take a real message to the American people and especially the black community that what they have done they deserve an apology for from the Democrat Party.

HANNITY: Now remember Minneapolis, the black lives matter movement were chanting "Pigs in a blanket fry them like bacon." Remember this?


CROWD: Pigs in a blanket!

Fry them like bacon!

Pigs in a blanket!

Fry them like bacon!


HANNITY: Democrats meeting, sucking up to this group.

JUAN WILLIAMS, SENIOR EDITOR, "THE HILL": I don't think they're sucking up to them. But I will say that it's to me pandering when you can't say all lives matter. But the reason for it is truly political.  There is a real issue of excessive use of police force in the country.

CLARKE: No, there isn't.

WILLIAMS: Black Lives Matters has come in response to that issue.

CLARKE: No, there isn't.

WILLIAMS: And so what you get is Democratic politicians --

HANNITY: Sheriff Clarke is talking to you.

WILLIAMS: No, he says no, it isn't. There's no argument that clearly there is an issue that if you have Michael Brown, if you have Eric Garner.  I could go on and on. But I have to say, you guys have to become more politically sophisticated --



HANNITY: We're not politically sophisticated, Larry Elder.

WILLIAMS: What they're doing is they're playing to that black vote.

CLARKE: I don't know what's happened to you. Juan, you wrote a brilliant book several years ago entitled "Enough." It was a brilliant book talking about these very same things. I don't know what happened to you since then. You've gone back over to the other side.

WILLIAMS: I'm trying to understand why politicians behave as I do. I agree that they're pandering to that black vote.

HANNITY: You know something, Larry, if Juan is right and that's pandering, that is the worst sort, because if you don't have the courage to say every single solitary life matters, that makes you a political coward.  Your reaction?

LARRY ELDER, RADIO SHOW HOST: I didn't think it was a trick question.  It seemed to me pretty easy to answer. And what's going on, of course, is the usual Democratic 101 bait and switch. They can't talk about the black economy. Under this president in the last six-and-a-half years the black net worth has declined 20 percent, the so-called wealth gap between blacks and whites has not been this wide in 25 years. The labor force participation rate, the percentage of blacks who are working or looking for work hasn't been this low in 40 years. Black home ownership down, black equity down. So let's talk about black lives matter. Let's talk about climate change. Let's talk about any damn thing except the assault on the black economy and the assault on the black family as a result of these welfare state policies.


WILLIAMS: It all started under the Democrats, is that right, Larry?

ELDER: I'm talking about the net worth of blacks --

CLARKE: Exactly, the war on poverty. Lyndon B. Johnson.

ELDER: -- is down 20 percent.

WILLIAMS: Larry, I think the country went through a recent recession --

ELDER: Unemployment up.

HANNITY: We're going to blame Bush now. Here we go.

ELDER: Black poverty, black poverty is up under this president.  Black net worth is down under this president. The net worth of everybody else has pretty much flat-lined. The economy has hemorrhaged as a result of tax, spend, regulate, jacking up minimum wage, doing the very same things that damage the urban economy, to say nothing about a porous border.  We can go on and on and on about what's happened under this president that made this country hemorrhage.

HANNITY: Sheriff, jump in.

CLARKE: It has been an economic and social disaster under this liberal ideology for black people over the last 50 years, and it started with the destruction of the family unit, the most basic unit of society that has been very successful, tore the black family apart. It has been a nightmare.

WILLIAMS: I couldn't agree more that we've got the pay more attention. My feeling is black families matter. Let's be very clear. But I just think that the two of you in focusing on all these other issues, this plays into --

HANNITY: All these other issues?

WILLIAMS: -- Black Lives Matter that any time you say all lives matter you're somehow undercutting attention to the real issue of police violence in the black community.

HANNITY: What if a group of people said white lives matter or all lives matter? Wouldn't that be racist?

WILLIAMS: I agree with you. No.


WILLIAMS: All lives matter?

HANNITY: No, if the question were white lives matter or do all lives matter, and somebody says white, isn't that racist?

WILLIAMS: No. You act as if there's no context here. There's a context that came out of police action in the black community.

CLARKE: A better question to have asked those Democrat candidates do babies lives in the womb matter.

HANNITY: That would have been a question. Larry, if that question was asked about any other race, would it be considered racism?

ELDER: Of course it would. I'll tell you something, Rahm Emanuel, the mayor of Chicago, has just conceded that because of the so-called Ferguson effect, the fact that officers are now pulling back because they're afraid of being accused of police brutality and being accused of racial profiling, crime has gone up. And the victims are disproportionately black people, the very same people that the so called Black Lives Matter movement claims that they care about.

WILLIAMS: I think that's why Black Lives Matter actually hurts themselves by not agreeing with you and saying all lives matter and bring it together.

HANNITY: That's a political candidate.


ELDER: Then what are we arguing about, Juan?

CLARKE: The ideology of victimhood with a list of grievances that do not exist.

HANNITY: Thank you all for being with us.

Coming up, after last night's lackluster debate performance by the Democrats, should crazy uncle Joe be considering jumping in the race? Doug Schoen, Kirsten Powers are here to weigh in, and much more.  


HANNITY: All right, welcome back to "Hannity." All eyes are on Vice President Joe Biden as we wait to hear whether or not he's going to jump in and run in 2016. So did last night's dismal debate performance by the Democrats encourage him to run? Here's what he said earlier today.


JOE BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT: I was proud of them. I thought they all did well. And, you know, part of what has to be done, we have to actually make -- and I thought every one of those folks last night -- I thought they all did well. Thanks.


HANNITY: All right, here with reaction, Fox News contributors Doug Schoen, Kirsten Powers. It really comes down to a three-letter word j-o-b- s, that was his line.


HANNITY: Does he get in?

KIRSTEN POWERS, COLUMNIST, "USA TODAY": I think after last night he's probably slightly less likely to get in because contrary to your tricky sort of calling it a dismal debate, it actually wasn't a dismal debate.

HANNITY: And 9 million fewer viewers than the Republican debate.

POWERS: I don't think the Democratic race is as exciting, actually, unfortunately.

HANNITY: You say it's dull and boring and monotonous.

POWERS: No, I think it is very good. I think the energy hasn't been on the Democratic side because we don't have a crazy Donald Trump in our group of people.

HANNITY: You could use one after the insomnia last night.

POWERS: I think it was a good debate and I think Hillary did an excellent job. And I think she really established that she's a strong candidate, and that Biden's looking at it and saying I don't know if I need to get in this race.

HANNITY: Doug, let's be charitable. They were pathetically weak.  How did these people ever get elected? It's shocking.

DOUG SCHOEN, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Sean, what Kirsten said is exactly right.

HANNITY: Go ahead. A lib love fest.

SCHOEN: No, it isn't a lib love fest. It's a Democratic reality check. Hillary won. Biden's less likely to run. This is good for the Democrats. The Republicans are divided. Bad for your side, good for our side.

HANNITY: OK, us versus them.

SCHOEN: That's what politics is, as you have shown for many years.

HANNITY: She has a few problems, though.

SCHOEN: She does.

HANNITY: One is an FBI investigation, two, she lied, three, 63 percent of Americans think she's a liar, dishonest, untrustworthy. These are minor little problems, little technicalities in getting to a real debate.

SCHOEN: I think that's true, but I think she can get elected notwithstanding all of them. I don't think she's going to be indicted. I do think that she will be the Democrat nominee. As you said yourself, the electoral map favors her and the Democrats. And given that the Republicans haven't taken your worldview, don't have a pro-growth conservative agenda, it's all in our favor.

HANNITY: Listen, all I know is they want to basically run to the home of every rich person in America with a gun, rob them, redistribute the wealth, and build up government even bigger.

SCHOEN: Hillary will move to the center. She will. It will be a pro-growth tax plan from the Democrats.

HANNITY: I don't see a moderate in your party. Not one.

SCHOEN: Hillary will become one.

HANNITY: Oh, she'll become one? She's transform herself?

POWERS: She's the only person that does that. You're suggesting that none of the Republicans are playing to the base right now?

HANNITY: I'm saying I watched the debate last night. And she has a lot of questions that still need to be answered. Like, for example, on women's issues and taking money from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait and the UAE, and they bought her silence. I think that's a big issue for a woman that says she's the woman's candidate.

POWERS: I think we talked about this before. I find the behavior of those countries absolutely abhorrent in their treatment of women.

HANNITY: Would you take their money?

POWERS: I personally wouldn't.

HANNITY: But Hillary did.

POWERS: But the United States works with these countries. These are our partners.

HANNITY: That had nothing to do with the United States. Hillary Clinton's foundation took the money and bought her silence.

POWERS: They're good enough to work with the United States, then I don't know why they're not good enough to be working on issues where people are in agreement on --

HANNITY: So we ignore the women can't drive.

POWERS: I don't think it is ignoring it. I think the idea that Hillary Clinton doesn't care about women's treatment in Saudi Arabia is a real stretch, Sean. I think it's a real stretch. And we're talking about a country that our country considers a major ally.

SCHOEN: It is. We're doing business in the Middle East, and, Sean, Saudi Arabia is a key ally fighting ISIS.

HANNITY: You know what, though, if you're going to be the women's champion, you can't take money from a country that treats women like crap.

SCHOEN: You say that. We disagree.

HANNITY: We disagree. You speak for Kirsten.

SCHOEN: Kirsten is intelligent and articulate in her own right. A compelling women.

HANNITY: I got to go.

POWERS: Now you've got to go because we don't want the Bush family being buddies with a Saudi family.

HANNITY: Good grief.

POWERS: Oh, yes.

HANNITY: When we come back, our "Ask Sean" segment is next. And we need your help. We have a very important "Question of the Day" about crazy uncle Joe, straight ahead.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Time for our "Question of the Day." So after last night's debate performance should crazy uncle Joe Biden jump into the race? Just head on over to Facebook.com/SeanHannity, @SeanHannity, let us know what you think. And now, by the way, it's time for our "Ask Sean" segment. You've been sending us questions via Facebook and Twitter that you'd like to ask me, and you can be a TV star. Here's tonight's question.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi, Sean. I'm a pastor from Long Island, New York, and I have a question about the debate last night on CNN with the Democrats. Why is it that no mention was made of the murders of Christians in Charleston, South Carolina, in the church, or the Roseburg, Oregon, shooting of Christians there? It seems that a large portion of Americans are Christian. And why is it they would ignore that and not ask questions about that but instead talk about marijuana? I'd appreciate the input.  Thanks, God bless.


HANNITY: All right, good question. I also think they'd didn't talk enough about Iran and ISIS and Putin and foreign policy in North Korea and the changing dynamics in the Middle East, all important questions. And I'd even add to your question, I don't know why they didn't ask it, but the killing of Christians, systematic killing of Christians, the Yazidis, the Syria Christians, et cetera. It's a really good question. I saw images of children now, Christian children being beheaded if they don't convert to Islam. And there's been very little media coverage about it. It's a very good point. We'll continue to cover it here, I can promise you that.

If you have a question for me, just go over to Twitter, use the #AskSean, send in a video. We might put you on TV. That's all the time we have left for tonight. We hope you'll set your DVR so you never miss an episode. We take attendance. It hurts our feelings if you're not here.  Thanks for being with us. We'll see you back here tomorrow night.

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