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Will Democratic rivals seize on Clinton's contradictions?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," October 13, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Julie Roginsky, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It is 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

It is round one for the democrats, set to roll the dice in Las Vegas tonight. And a little more than three hours from now, five democratic candidates will take the debate stage in their first showdown of the 2016 election. The stakes are high for frontrunner Hillary Clinton, but should the audience believe a word she says? Here's a refresher on just some of Clinton's flip flops and contradictions on issues over the years.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HILLARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I believe that marriage is not just a bond, but a sacred bond between a man and a woman.

I support marriage for lesbian and gay couples. I support it personally and as a matter of policy and law.

So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. I've made it very clear that I made a mistake, plain and simple.

I did not e-mail any classified material to anyone on my e-mail. There is no classified material.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A second review by the intelligence community has found that two e-mails in Clinton's server, including one about North Korea's nuclear weapons program, did in fact contain highly classified information when she received them.

CLINTON: The so-called TPP will lower barriers, raise standards and drive long term growth across the region.

As of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, so that's just a little snippet, in case you had a little bit of mind fuzz on Hillary and shall we say her, loose relationship with the truth, Dana?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well everyone has the right to their opinion and to change their opinion, but she has abused the privilege over and over again. So I think that -- I would try to nail her down on a few of these things. It will be interesting to see if any of the other democratic candidates actually go after her on her record and her vacillations. I think that you might see Governor O'Malley, the former governor of Maryland. He might take a shot like that and Greg has thoughts on somebody else that might decide to jump in. But by all accounts, the debate is they really lowering expectations for entertainment of this debate or like are getting any good information out or understanding anything about how any of these candidates would actually want to govern the country.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I mean, I don't think those are the bar is set so high tonight. So if they perform at all, if they may perhaps, exceed expectations. Greg, what you got?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: That's been my goal in life. Set low expectations. She's like Shaquille O'Neal's sandal, a big flip-flop. We'll be right back.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: I agree that it could be very boring because no one wants to pick on her because she might win. It's like how you always want to be nice to the guy in IT because he could ruin your life later.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: Like when you're on the phone, you don't want to be mean to him, because he could put porn on your computer. Not that I know. You say O'Malley, I say Jim Webb. Here's why. I think Jim Webb is the true outsider at that -- on the days. He's not a socialist, so he's separate from all the other four. He's a war hero, which is also makes him an outsider on that days and he could make Hillary's first debate. I -- and this is the prediction, that is way off, but it could be her last debate. If he comes at her on national security, like a focused laser and says, you are not equipped to be president, because we, we can't even trust you with e-mails. If he goes at her like that, she's gone. He goes up to like second place.

GUILFOYLE: All right.

GUTFELD: That's my prediction.

GUILFOYLE: Well, let's go to our insider, Eric Bolling. The MOS, man on the strip. You're an insider at the win.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I think that would be a long shot.

GUTFELD: Yes, it would.

BOLLING: At the very least.

GUTFELD: He has nothing to lose.

PERINO: Well, most people don't even know he's running.

BOLLING: No -- right, but here's.

GUTFELD: That helps.

BOLLING: Look, it is one in two right now. It's Hillary and Bernie. And guess who's third? Joe Biden, who is not the allegedly -- not even going to be there tonight, I think you're right, they need to do -- Webb and Chafee and O'Malley need to do something just to get recognized, just to stay in the race. I think that's not going to end up happening.

GUILFOYLE: They should have an empty podium for Biden.

BOLLING: Well, they do, off to the side, there is.

GUILFOYLE: No, that means hilarious and that would be.

BOLLING: Just lead to the right.

GUILFOYLE: The polling after to say he did the best in the debate.

BOLLING: But, no -- the biggest news of today isn't about Biden, isn't about Hillary Clinton. The biggest news of today is about Donald Trump is going to host Saturday Night Live in a month. So he even upstaged the democrats on the day, on their big day. I think it's going to be boring. I agree with you. I think if, if Bernie Sanders is in it to win it, he'll go after her on all the e-mails. He will nail her on e-mails. Now the people on the left will say, if that's -- if that were the case, he wouldn't want to do that because it would look like he would be helping the republicans. Now, if Bernie is in it to win it, you'll know who --he'll go after that. Because remember, it wasn't a vast right-wing conspiracy that unearthed a lot of the e-mail scandals, it was The New York Times. And he should hang it on The New York Times to say, "Look, did you do it? What do you -- give us an explanation of what really happened?" Who pushed the (inaudible)? If he's in to in it, he'll go after it. If he's not, then this is all biggest scam, big scam and just core (ph) - hand her the nomination.

GUILFOYLE: Maybe O'Malley will do it or Webb. And somebody's got to do it.

BOLLING: No, no, he's got to do it. They can't. They're done.

GUILFOYLE: Somebody's got to do it if you want to stand out.

BOLLING: O'Malley, Webb and Chafee are not going to be the democrat nominees. They're just not. So if anyone is going to do it they've got to be Biden or Bernie.

JULIE ROGINSKY, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Well, here's the problem. And if I'm in debate prep with one of these men, this is what I'm concerned about. Every time somebody goes after her in a debate, it backfires on them. It backfires on Obama when he is -- when he said, "Remember, you're likeable enough Hillary." He lost New Hampshire because of that. Remember when Rick Lazio went up to her in the 2000 senate race and tried to hand her the piece of paper? You know it's very hard when you're debating a woman, to not appear to be a bully and I think that's the challenge for all of them. And that I think is the problem that they're facing in debate prep as to how to handle this? You really go after her?

PERINO: You think Bernie could be a bully?

ROGINSKY: I think Bernie -- Yeah, with his big New York accent, I think he could come across.

PERINO: Really?

ROGINSKY: As a mad scientist bully. Look.

(LAUGHTER)

ROGINSKY: I think.

GUILFOYLE: Is that a Halloween costume might be available?

ROGINSKY: Yeah, it may be a Halloween costume or dressing up as mad scientist Bernie from Brooklyn, but you know, you're right to some extent. Someone is going to have to go after her or else there's no reason for them on the debate.

GUTFELD: There's still one person who could come from a national security perspective. This guy won a navy cross.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my god, you're.

GUTFELD: He was in Vietnam. He was a Reagan appointee. He's got it. Now Sanders.

ROGINSKY: But in the democratic primary, Greg, he's to the right of her national security and that doesn't help.

GUTFELD: However, Sanders is not -- is going by this idea of being an outsider. He has been running for office for 40 years.

ROGINSKY: I agree.

GUTFELD: That's -- he hates big business, but his big business is government. He is -- he's a crony communist. Is there such a thing as? He's a crony communist.

PERINO: I think.

ROGINSKY: Yeah.

PERINO: Greg is right.

ROGINSKY: All communist are cronies, totally, that exist.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

ROGINSKY: That's a thing.

GUTFELD: There you go.

ROGINSKY: There you go.

GUTFELD: All right, I'm taking off now.

GUILFOYLE: It almost sounds, though, you're pretty excited. A little bit jonesing (ph) for Webb.

GUTFELD: I'm interested in him. He has one flaw. He wrote some fiction books in which the sex scenes are a little unusual.

ROGINSKY: Oh really?

GUTFELD: But at least they were not in the non-fiction books. But in the fiction book.

ROGINSKY: Tell us more.

GUTFELD: Let me read some. Shall I?

ROGINSKY: Yeah, please.

GUTFELD: No, I'm not, but anyway.

GUILFOYLE: No, don't. Skip it.

GUTFELD: But that's the only -- unusual.

PERINO: But that -- you think that's going to hurt him?

GUTFELD: It might help him.

PERINO: Yeah, that's one.

GUTFELD: It could help him.

GUILFOYLE: In like the romance Harlequin department?

GUTFELD: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: You never know. You never know. With like your friend Fabio on the cover.

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: Interesting -- true story. Dana, so I want to talk to you a little bit about Biden. Talk a little bit about Biden because in the new polling and everything that's come out. He actually does better than Hillary in head-to-head match-ups with the GOP candidates. Yet, this is man who still has not announced, you know, his candidacy. Everybody is sort on the wait and see. And you see the poll numbers up there. So if you're someone in the Democratic Party, wouldn't you be thinking of switching horses when you see these kinds of numbers?

PERINO: Well you know the democratic race is really boring when the media is basically writing stories and spending money to ask questions in a poll about somebody who is not even a declared candidate. Even though there's been some flirtation and I know that it was decide -- it was mentioned, sort of from his camp that he'll be making a decision this month and in fact, he has because there are just some logistical things that has to happen if you want to be on the ballot in some of these states. I also think that a lot of those numbers for him, it's actually name ID. I think for the most part, but he's more popular because or he's more well known, therefore people say, oh yeah, Biden, I could be for him because people are still shopping around. Not a good thing for Hillary, if people are still like willing to shop around and they're not satisfied with her.

GUILFOYLE: But also numbers that show that people find him to be more likable, more trustworthy and those.

PERINO: Probably above.

ROGINSKY: Yeah, and I think.

GUILFOYLE: And poll numbers are declining in that area and she's also losing with the women, Julie.

ROGINSKY: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: She's dropped some points.

ROGINSKY: Yeah, I mean Biden exactly right. Biden is coming up like this, because Biden is always seemed genuine. You might like him, you might dislike him, but nobody ever thinks he's a phony. Her problem is that she has not come across to somebody who's genuine. She's got to dress up tonight, she has to. If she hasn't dress up tonight, she's in deep trouble.

PERINO: Julie, how much -- can you mind if I ask her a question?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

PERINO: How much -- in the debate prep for somebody like a Hillary Clinton, what's going on behind the scenes right now? Does she like a lot of prep? Or she is saying, this is not my first rodeo, I've got this, don't bother me anymore.

ROGINSKY: She's got amazing people doing debate prep for her. I know some of them. I spoke to some of them. She's is very prepared. She's always.

GUTFELD: What kind of.

ROGINSKY: She's always a student that does -- you know, who is very prepared. So she'll always be the person.

GUTFELD: What kind of software are they inserting into her back?

GUILFOYLE: Oh my God.

ROGINSKY: You know that's interesting. That's a great question. I'm going to get back to you. I'm gonna let you know.

GUILFOYLE: The likeability chip.

ROGINSKY: I'll make a phone call.

GUTFELD: Yes.

ROGINSKY: I'm gonna make a phone call.

GUTFELD: Jim Henson will be there, working the strings. Oh, wait.

ROGINSKY: I'm gonna a make phone call, let me know. But I think she doesn't want to do a lot of debate prep. She also needs to get -- my understanding is in debate prep, prior debate preps, she get a lot of her aggression out at questions she didn't like to hear on the debate staff.

PERINO: Yeah.

ROGINSKY: And then you can go on be calm and be likeable in the debate.

GUILFOYLE: Bolling?

BOLLING: Too bad she doesn't like her staff. The ones that told her, you know, fix the e-mail scandal problem, because that's a problem. The interesting thing about that number that you showed that Biden beating was beating every single one of those republican candidates, Hillary was those in every single one of them as well. So, I mean that.

GUILFOYLE: That's the point.

BOLLING: So Joe Biden is playing -- perfectly right. So tonight if he - if Hillary has a horrible showing, there's going to be even further outcry for him to get into the race. He needs to come in with a whole bunch of wind in his sails and probably a lot of money. If she has a terrific showing, he may say, "Well maybe it's not the right time for me to be doing this." I think one of the subtext that's going on today, Debbie Wasserman Schultz versus the vice chair.

GUILFOYLE: Yup.

ROGINSKY: Terrible.

BOLLING: Debbie Wasserman Schultz the chairman of the DNC.

PERINO: It's a good fight.

BOLLING: Disinvited the vice chair.

GUILFOYLE: Disinvited, yeah.

BOLLING: Because the vice chair suggest -- Gabbard.

PERINO: Uh-huh. Tulsi Gabbard?

BOLLING: Tulsi Gabbard. Disinvited her because she's -- and Tulsi Gabbard suggested more debates. Now Wasserman Schultz pushed back, said there will only be six. And now the reason why that's important is because it seems like the DNC's in the bag for Debbie Wasserman Schultz. They want fewer debates, fewer opportunities for Hillary to lose her lead.

PERINO: That's called message discipline.

ROGINSKY: Yeah, it is, but I have to see Debbie Wasserman Schultz has to understand she's not the leader of the Clinton campaign. She's the leader of the DNC, she need to be impartial, what she's doing is disgraceful. And I say that she's a democrat.

PERINO: Interesting.

ROGINSKY: There you go.

PERINO: I think Hillary is going to shine tonight. And the media will delight in writing the stories of, don't count her out.

GUILFOYLE: Well, maybe they'll delight regardless, whether or not they watch the debate. That might be the outcome.

GUTFELD: She deals with -- if -- she has this thing.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

GUTFELD: When people ask her questions, she comes off like an angry customer at the airline counter. You know they're mad because their flight got canceled and they take it out on the person on the counter who has no control. Which she does that, she loses.

PERINO: That's annoying.

BOLLING: You know there is -- I'm sorry, we got to go, but there is one interesting, the aspect to the debate tonight. I think it will better than the questions coming from Anderson Cooper because he is already getting a little (inaudible) on some of that stuff. It's the Facebook stuff.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, you mean Donald Trump is gonna live tweet?

BOLLING: No, no, Don Lemon is going to take questions from Facebook. And that's America's voice. I like that --

GUILFOYLE: You like the person, yeah.

BOLLING: How they -- what they're - how they phrased versus the ones that are coming from the -- moderator.

GUTFELD: I hate it when they take questions from Facebook.

GUILFOYLE: I know. All right, we gonna go on Tuesday.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: We've got to take my jump shot - people.

Next, will the democratic candidate defend or distance themselves from President Obama's foreign policy missteps at the debate tonight? We'll explore. And a programming note, because this is where you gonna get it. Stay tuned to Fox News tonight for the best live post debate analysis anywhere with The Kelly File at a special time of 11:00 p.m. eastern, followed by Sean Hannity at midnight eastern. We'll be right back, stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: Over seven years in office, President Obama has been steadfast in his belief that his vision for America's role in the world is the right one. Despite his contentions, global threats like ISIS, Syria, Russia and Iran have all seen their influence on the world stage grow. Earlier this week, the president attempted to defend his record on an increasingly long list of missteps.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

STEVE KROFT, 60 MINUTES SHOW CORRESPONDENT: You said that this would degrade and eventually destroy ISIS.

BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES PRESIDENT: Over time.

KROFT: Over time.

OBAMA: Yeah.

KROFT: But it's been a year and.

OBAMA: I didn't say it was going to be done in a year.

KROFT: You got a half a million dollars from Congress to train and equip 5,000, and at the end, according to the commander of CENTCOM, you got 50 people.

OBAMA: Yeah.

KROFT: Most of whom are dead or deserted. He said four or five left?

OBAMA: Steve, this is why I've been skeptical from the get go.

KROFT: If you were skeptical of the program to find and identify train and equip modern Syrians, why did you go through the program?

OBAMA: Well, because part of what we have to do here, Steve, is to try different things.

KROFT: The situation in Afghanistan is very precarious and the Taliban is on the march again. And ISIS controls a large part of Syria.

They say you're projecting weakness, not strength.

OBAMA: You're saying "they," but you're not citing too many folks.

KROFT: I'd say the Saudis. I'd say the Israelis. I'd say a lot of our friends in the Middle East. I'd say everybody in your -- everybody in the Republican Party.

OBAMA: If you're citing the Republican Party, I think it's fair to say there's nothing I've done right over the last seven and a half years.

KROFT: Do you think the world is a safer place?

OBAMA: America is a safer place.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: And these issues are likely to come up in tonight's debate. So the question becomes, will the democratic candidates on stage defend or distance themselves from the president? Kind of tricky for them tonight, right Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I think it is. You gonna have to, you know, walk a fine line. You also wanna be able to assert yourself and have your own ideas and principles and be able to articulate in a way that is persuasive to the American people. Hillary is going to have the biggest challenge of because she is the most tethered to the president. So she's going to have to distinguish herself, especially as it relates to matters of national security and foreign policy where the president has not enjoyed broad-based enthusiasm or praise. So that's going to be the most challenging part for her. There are a few areas where she could say that, you know, she deferred from the president, but she also doesn't want to poke the cage too much to make a problem for herself going forward, or a Barack Obama loyalist, that if they feel that she's disrespectful to the president, might say, Joe's looking even better right now.

PERINO: This goes to something you're saying in the a-block. So Jim Webb, the senator who, like almost nobody knows he's actually running, but he'll be on the stage tonight, so he'll have a chance. I think that will probably try to distance from Obama and Clinton, but so take a whack at republicans.

GUTFELD: I think, I think the real winner here is gonna be the Republican Party. When you look up there, unless we have (inaudible) makes an advance on this, they're gonna go, you can't leave foreign policy to these children because they really are children. This is a mindset, the White House mindset is one that all the world's problems originate with America. And therefore, we must retreat and fix ourselves. We need an eight, seven and a half years of Obama therapy. And while we're in this therapy, the world laughed, mocked and killed. And in that SOT that you -- that we played, he just admitted that funding the rebels was a bad idea, it was destined to fail. He treated it like a teen doing community service. He just gave the bare minimum, knowing that it wouldn't work and then, no one would ever ask for it again. It was really kind of sad, because he didn't want it to succeed.

PERINO: Right. So how -- that's an interesting point. I would like to talk about this more, but I have additional questions to get to.

GUTFELD: I don't want you to.

PERINO: Steve Kroft, in the interview, Eric. That he was telling -- asking the president about how other people perceive us and the president said name them and Steve Kroft said, "Well, The Middle East, I'd say people in Russia are allies." I actually think it's the foreign policy - in the United States of America. You can barely find anybody in that world that can defend the current state of affairs on American foreign policy.

BOLLING: Outside the administration.

PERINO: Correct.

BOLLING: Once again, outside the administration. Then you can't because it's not working. I mean it's clear it's not working. Great points of the half a billion dollars that President Obama just threw at a program that he thought wasn't going to work and kind of laughed it off. Again, it wasn't gonna work, I wasn't involved anyway, so don't hold me to that one.

Hillary Clinton tonight, I think she's going to try to big-foot President Obama. I think she is going to say, "I was the one who put together the Iran nuke deal." So (inaudible) saying, let's push away from it. I think she's going to embrace it and say, "I'm the one that brought Iran to the table and, you know, guarantees that Iran won't have a nuke for the next decade or so. Even though, we don't talk about what happen.

GUILFOYLE: That doesn't even seem like.

BOLLING: No, but that's her thing, am I right? So she wants to be the non - - she wants to push away from President Obama, but she can't here because.

GUILFOYLE: She wants to be the architect.

BOLLING: She's involved -- yes. She wants to take credit for it. And let -- it seem like President Obama kind a rode her coattails on that Iran nuclear deal.

PERINO: So Julie, they're not -- this debate actually, when you're talking about democratic primary voters who are their primary audience, not just CNN's audience, but like that, they want to talk to democratic primary voters, what do they want to hear? Is there a split amongst those voters? Or do they sort to tend to like what Bernie Sanders has to say?

ROGINSKY: I think they tend to oppose the Iraq war. I think they tend to oppose intervention. I think they tend to give her credit for the Iran deal, which she will absolutely your radar (ph) and she's gonna take it. She's gonna talk about the fact that she negotiated the ceasefire in Gaza. I mean, she's going to point to what she considers to be her foreign policy achievements and the president's that happened on her watch because she needs to answer the question that was asked during the republican debate. What exactly are her achievements?

She'll use it as an example to do that, the problem is -- and Kimberly, he nailed it. It is gonna be a very fine line for her. She has to separate herself from the president enough.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

ROGINSKY: She's not going to have that hanging around her neck, but at the same time, she can't go out there and completely trash the foreign policy that once she was part of and two, she's gonna rely on a lot of his voters -- firewall in South Carolina and Nevada, which is her firewall after New Hampshire and Iowa, in case this (inaudible) those two. Those are all Obama supporters and she needs them and she can't do that.

GUILFOYLE: He needs some money too.

ROGINSKY: Yup.

PERINO: All right. Directly ahead, in a new interview, President Obama vents his frustrations about Christians and another shot at conservative media including, yours truly at Fox News, details next.

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GUTFELD: President Obama just interviewed author Marilyn Robinson for the New York Review of Books. I know, I'm pretty excited, you guys, no?

All right, I wonder, in our democracy and our civic discourse, are folks who take religion the most seriously sometimes also those who are suspicious of those not like them?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: In our democracy and our civic discourse, it seems as if folks who take religion the most seriously are sometimes also those who are suspicious of those not like them.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Now what religion could he be talking about?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: You've struggled with the fact that here in the United States, sometimes Christian interpretation seems to posit an "us versus them." And those are sometimes the loudest voices.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Oh man. Oh yeah, those crazy Christians. They're always beheading and throw and gays off buildings. But hey, that's Obama doing the Obama: never linking Islam to terror and it's the Christians who are the real jerks, just like us at fox.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: People always -- I think were surprised about me connecting with folks in small town Iowa. And the reason I did was -- first of all, I had the benefit that at the time nobody expected me to win. And so I wasn't viewed through this prism of Fox News and conservative media making me scary. At the time, I didn't think seem scary, other than just having a funny name. I seemed young.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Oh man.

GUILFOYLE: He's (ph) alert.

GUTFELD: So conservative media made him scary. I guess by conservative media, he meant Hillary, who was the first to recast him as a Kenyan-born interloper. He also forgets who is started the divisiveness. Remember the jab about Americans clinging to guns and religion -- that was in 2008.

But what do you expect? An afflicted academic will always frown upon anything that smacks of America. It's the preferred ridicule. It's far easier and cooler than calling out the real threats around the world. It's why grad students hate cops, but not criminals. Mock their parents, not radical professors and laugh at Christians, but give a pass to the death cults.

And so cloaked compassion, he says that we are polarizing, unaware that it's his smug perspective that polarizes most. Using Fox News and Christians as a proxy for a nation that makes him wince. He's a drone honed in the faculty lounge. His beliefs are not bugs in the system, they are the system. But maybe I'm just polarizing.

I would like to make an apology to everybody in America who was forced to listen to that. Dana, you said it he sounds like he's auditioning for NPR.

PERINO: It's gonna be great.

GUTFELD: Yes.

(LAUGHTER)

PERINO: He does. He did, you know he won an Emmy.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: When he read his book. He's got a very smooth voice.

GUTFELD: It was nice. It was like bathing.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my God.

PERINO: Kimberly almost fell off her chair, but we revived her.

BOLLING: There's good news for NPR. They don't need ratings to stay alive. They have government funding. So they can stay alive without ratings. Because if they kept that any longer, everybody would have -- turned at least half the audience.

Can I just point something out? Again, FOX News again? Really, it's like the sixth time he's said something negative about FOX News.

In baseball we called it rabbit ears. When you're yelling at the other team and they can't play, they can't even perform on the field, because they're so worried about what you're yelling at them, you know you've gotten to them. They've got rabbit ears. President Obama has FOX News rabbit ears.

GUILFOYLE: Interesting.

PERINO: Wow, not fox ears.

GUILFOYLE: No, no, but that was definitely a new thing. It was like FOX News snooze alert. Because what was happening there? Droning on.

GUTFELD: He was interviewing one of the authors who had written a book of fiction about a minister. So he was asking her religious questions. But the questions seemed only about the faults of Christianity in America.

ROGINSKY: To be fair, he was actually quoting her, I think, in those first two things.

GUTFELD: Yes.

ROGINSKY: That wasn't what he was saying; she had said it.

GUTFELD: But he was agreeing, let's face it.

ROGINSKY: But we don't know about that. He was asking the question...

GUTFELD: I prefer to make an assumption that he was.

ROGINSKY: That's a great assumption to make. I'm not sure about that. I would tell you, but the dulcet tones kind of lulled me into a false sense of -- I feel like I'm back in, like, an embryotic state here.

GUTFELD: I agree with you that we don't know. However, we can make the assumption, based on the fact that he's never said things like that about - - about Islam. When I was listening to it, I go like in the era of ISIS, when he goes in this direction, it makes him look like he's a bit ignorant.

ROGINSKY: Was he going in this direction? Or was he asking her about her views on this, because he was paraphrasing what she was saying?

GUTFELD: Well, basically, what he was doing was agreeing with her.

BOLLING: Shall we stop?

GUTFELD: No. No, we're going to do the rest of the show. Let's do the rest of the show about this...

GUILFOYLE: Here's the problem. He has to make it about other people's shortcomings, because he can't turn the mirror on himself to see what his are. Because the reason he doesn't connect with the America people is because of his failed policies, domestic and foreign and likewise, and his tendency, incessant tendency to lecture the American people that he knows better than they do about everything and that their religions are bad. It's very frustrating. It's not a welcoming approach.

PERINO: I thought he had a good answer, though, on the question, when he was talking about how people were surprised that he connected with folks in Iowa.

GUTFELD: Right.

PERINO: One of the things he said is, "I had time." He spent a lot of time in Iowa. It's one of the things it takes to win there, is you've got to show up. You've got to shake the hands, eat the doughnuts and the coffee. And make sure they get to know people. And one-on-one, I think they actually were won over by him on the Democratic side. And I thought...

GUTFELD: Until we got ahold of him. Until we got there and made him scary.

This is something I've said here a million times. He's like the quarterback who seduced every cheerleader but one, and that's FOX News. We were always the last holdout, and it's like the quarterback is, like, going, "I have to have that one. I've got to have that one."

I'm trying to interject energy into this segment.

PERINO: Well, then he...

GUILFOYLE: Greg was never a cheerleader.

PERINO: Because I really think that it's so interesting to me how he started off. He just decided to be combative early on, and he could have co-opted a lot of Republicans, I think, early on. Especially, like, even on Obama care. He couldn't get a single Republican on Obamacare, not even from the state of Maine.

ROGINSKY: What I don't get is why -- you're the president of the United States. You tell me. You're the -- used to be the press secretary for the president of the United States. Why go after FOX News?

PERINO: Never, ever did we mention MSNBC. Ever.

ROGINSKY: It's crazy. I don't get the strategy. What do you get out of it? Other than motivating your base?

PERINO: But he does -- I mean, I think he feels that it works for him, and it makes him feel good.

GUTFELD: Also, it's a proxy for certain things he doesn't like about America. OK?

GUILFOYLE: It's true.

GUTFELD: Up next, singer Pharrell Williams, a good friend of mine actually...

GUILFOYLE: Not.

GUTFELD: ... endorses someone in 2016 -- or for 2016. Colbert rips the media Joe Biden -- the Joe Biden fever. Boy, I'm reading this wonderfully. And Playboy magazine is getting a makeover, in "The Fastest Seven" when we return.

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BOLLING: Welcome back. Time for...

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GRAPHIC: Fastest 7

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BOLLING: ... "The Fastest Seven Minutes on Television." Three brash stories, seven blistering minutes, one buoyant host.

First up, celebrities and musicians are historically Democrats or progressives. Who knows why they hate their money so much. Pop star Pharrell says he's endorsing Hillary because she's -- wait for it -- holistic.

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PHARRELL WILLIAMS, POP STAR/JUDGE FOR NBC'S "THE VOICE": It's time for a woman to be in there. Because you know what? Women think about things in a holistic way that's not just so individual. And I'm saying the thing is, is if we had somebody looking after our country that thought about things as a whole, I just feel like it just would be different.

Not that I don't love our current president. I just feel like it's Hillary time.

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BOLLING: All right. Craig, you want to take it?

GUTFELD: Well, it's interesting. His reasoning is clearly sexist. What if he had said, "I -- I want this candidate because he's a man, because a man is objective and doesn't let emotion get into his decision-making"?

When he is saying, "I want her as a woman because she's holistic," he's basically saying she looks at it from an emotional -- a more global sense of emotional, not emotional. But he's basically being sexist.

But more important: if you're not a farmer, you don't wear overalls, OK? You wear overalls because you've got a tough job. He doesn't have a tough job. And it's very hard to use a public bathroom when you're wearing overalls.

BOLLING: Now, Julie, am I going to get you to agree that that was a sexist comment?

ROGINSKY: Yes, that was a ridiculous comment. You know who made the opposite of that comment and was totally sexist in making it? T.I., is that his name?

PERINO: The rapper.

ROGINSKY: He said he'd never vote for a woman, because she was too emotional.

GUTFELD: It's the same thing.

ROGINSKY: They're both ridiculous. Vote for the best candidate.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. You don't choose based on gender. That's just a dumb- dumb move. Isn't it?

They're saying, "You know what? We're going to have to give a lay-up, because you're a woman, because you checked the female box. Otherwise, you wouldn't be good enough to vote for"?

PERINO: However, all of that said...

GUILFOYLE: We don't need the charity vote. OK?

PERINO: I can agree with everything that you're saying, but I think how Pharrell said that is actually very persuasive with a huge number of voters.

GUILFOYLE: Why?

PERINO: ... in a way where they're like, "Yes, I agree. It's time for a woman." It's time for a women. First of all, people like that.

GUTFELD: Typical woman.

PERINO: And they also say that they like their approach. And I'm telling you, women make up 53 percent of the electorate. So Republicans better not underestimate the power of what Pharrell said.

GUILFOYLE: Condoleezza Rice.

BOLLING: All right. Let's move on.

GUTFELD: Too late.

BOLLING: We know CNN has a podium or lectern ready for, waiting for Joe Biden just in case, even though he reportedly is attending a high school reunion tonight. Colbert had some fun last night with the idea of a late edition to tonight's Democratic debate.

GUILFOYLE: He should go.

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STEPHEN COLBERT, HOST, CBS'S "THE LATE SHOW WITH STEPHEN COLBERT": Jim Acosta has a good point. Could Biden fly to Vegas, put on his aviator sunglasses and stride into the room? Could he then make eye contact with a certain reporter? Could they end up chatting and getting along, going out for beers afterwards, realizing they have a ton in common. And before they even know it, the sun is coming up and they've talked all night.

And could Biden then ask, do you ever think about reporting from space? Then could he then send that reporter up in a rocket to become the first reporter ever to win a Pulitzer Prize on the moon? That would totally shake up the campaign.

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BOLLING: K.G.

GUILFOYLE: Listen, I would love this so much, you don't have an idea, if he just went in there and just crushed it. Because if you remember, he's actually pretty good in the debates.

Last time, he -- everybody was like underestimating Joe. He goes in there, just walks in like Vegas style and what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

ROGINSKY: But what do CNN think, are they, like, smoking crack? Do they understand that to get to a debate...

GUILFOYLE: Are you calling them the Crack News Network?

ROGINSKY: I am calling them the Crack News Network. Because anybody that thinks that anybody shows up at a presidential debate without doing days and days and days of prep.

GUILFOYLE: He might be.

ROGINSKY: He happens to wake up and says, "Hmm, I think I'll go to Vegas today.

BOLLING: Here's what they think. The over-under on the number of viewers that they might get, maybe six, seven million without Joe. With Joe, you bump up to 10 million.

ROGINSKY: They wish.

BOLLING: Wishful thinking.

ROGINSKY: They wish for Biden.

PERINO: But you could come to a debate and not have substantive answers and still win it.

ROGINSKY: You've got to figure out how not to give substantive answers and still win it. That's the problem. That's the problem.

PERINO: It's been happening.

GUILFOYLE: Whoa!

BOLLING: OK, Gregory.

GUTFELD: I mean, what does this say, is that compared to the Republican field, the Dems is a talent show at a mortuary, and they're just looking for a spark to set fire to this thing. But it's as dry as a cadaver's tears.

BOLLING: OK. Hold it right there, because Greg is going to take this one. Playboy magazine...

GUTFELD: Thank you.

BOLLING: ... has said naked pictures are passe and will focus on fashion, culture and lifestyle articles. Good for you, Playboy. We've always -- they've always been at it than the Rolling Stone magazine, in my opinion. And now Greg and I can read the magazine with our wives.

GUILFOYLE: It's going to be like People magazine.

GUTFELD: No, it's not.

GUILFOYLE: OK.

GUTFELD: Let's -- let's be clear about what people never say about Playboy on television. It was nothing more than an instrument for onanism. That's what it was. And the Internet co-opted that industry of self- gratification. There is no necessity for lonely men or teenagers to use Playboy. It turns out no one bought that magazine for the articles ever; it was used for only one thing.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, wow.

BOLLING: You didn't like the articles? I'm being completely honest. I think they do a better job of the cultural lifestyle pieces than Rolling Stone.

GUTFELD: I never had an interest in that. Playboy seems like a sad magazine for me. It seems like for men who would sit around in a bath robe.

GUILFOYLE: You wear a shorty robe all the time.

GUTFELD: Shorty robes are different, Kimberly. How dare you?

BOLLING: Get to the articles.

GUTFELD: As a magazine for, like, guys that hang out at the Hef mansion, that smell and have hair in the wrong places.

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GUTFELD: It's bad; it's bad.

GUILFOYLE: OK, waxer. This is so funny. And ironic coming from the king of, like, men's magazines.

GUTFELD: Well, Maxim...

GUILFOYLE: Men's Health, Maxim staff.

GUTFELD: They were different than Playboy.

GUILFOYLE: They're edgy.

GUTFELD: They were actually smarter and funnier.

GUILFOYLE: True. Except if you were the VIP of Playboy. Then that would be the way...

PERINO: I actually know less about this than sports. So...

ROGINSKY: I don't know anything about this, but we'll be able to figure out whether people really do read it for articles or not.

GUILFOYLE: I don't mind Playboy magazine.

BOLLING: Exactly right.

GUTFELD: It's gone. I think it's just gone.

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BOLLING: The last...

GUTFELD: But if they went the other direction, like Penthouse, they would be gone faster. So maybe this is -- this will help.

GUILFOYLE: They've got higher numbers in the younger age bracket now, though. But overall, their circulation is declining.

GUTFELD: Well, their circulation is declining in many ways.

GUILFOYLE: No, that's just you.

BOLLING: We're going to leave it right there.

Up next, after encouraging the GOP, scroll, candidates to duke it out in last month's debate, did CNN just reveal plans to go easy on the Dems tonight? Details on the network's debate double standard after the break.

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ROGINSKY: Before the Republican debate on September 16, CNN moderator Jake Tapper dished about his intentions for the event.

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JAKE TAPPER, CNN ANCHOR: My team and I, we've been really working hard and coming up with questions that I think are going to be tough and really pit the candidates against each other.

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ROGINSKY: Meanwhile, tonight's moderator, Anderson Cooper, reveals plans for a different approach for the Democratic candidates.

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: I don't think this is a debate where you're going to have candidates attack each other. I'm always uncomfortable with that notion of setting people up in order to kind of promote, you know, some sort of a face-off. I mean, I think, look, these are all serious people; this is a serious debate. They want to talk about the issues, and I want to give them an opportunity to do that.

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ROGINSKY: CNN going easy on Democrats after pitting the GOP against each other? Kimberly, you raised a good point. So this to me was more a slam at Jake Tapper than it was a slam at anything else.

GUILFOYLE: Well, to be honest, it's like, "Oh, sorry we did that weird awkward social experiment, totally busted." Yes. So now he's going to clean it up. Clean up in aisle seven. He he's going to go in and be dignified, sweet Anderson Cooper, who I worked with for years. He's very lovely and a Vanderbilt. He's too dignified to pit people against like a cage fight against each other.

GUTFELD: Who?

GUILFOYLE: ... Watch FOX at 11.

ROGINSKY: My question is Dana Bash on TV tonight. How excited is she to hopefully get a question in tonight?

PERINO: I hope she does, because I'm a fan of hers.

I always thought it was strange that Jake Tapper announced that decision. I don't see why -- I think they should have just done the debate and then maybe afterwards say, "Yes, our intention was to try to get something going and the conversation going."

However, that said, I do think that when Jake announced that, it actually helped drive viewers to the debate. And I think if there is any sort of competition between the two moderators, someone will have the last laugh; and it probably won't be tonight's moderator.

ROGINSKY: That's a great point, and Greg, to me, this is almost like CNN is so desperate for Biden to show up, because Anderson Cooper just announced there's no news; there's no fireworks. There's no reason to watch.

GUTFELD: But wait. You said who's going to get the last laugh? That's so perfect, because Anderson Cooper has one of the weirdest laughs. He sounds like a drunk woodpecker. The only person that has a laugh worse than Anderson Cooper is Hillary, who sounds like Laughing Sal from the carnivals on the wharf. You remember Laughing Sal? That doll? The one that laughs?

PERINO: She's going to have -- she's going to have the last cackle.

GUTFELD: If they start laughing, it could be amazing television.

GUILFOYLE: Anderson is very, very nice.

GUTFELD: I get it. He's sophisticated; he's a Vanderbilt. "Oh, I'm a Vanderbilt," like we're all supposed to say, "Oh, never mind, he's a Vanderbilt."

GUILFOYLE: I know he is, but what are you?

GUTFELD: Vanderbilt, they make jeans.

GUILFOYLE: Good one, good one.

ROGINSKY: I'm freaked out about Laughing Sal. It sounds like a carney freak show side show.

GUTFELD: That's what it is.

ROGINSKY: OK. Eric.

BOLLING: It's a mistake. I think Anderson Cooper is going to go down in flames. The numbers aren't going to be there. If you're just going to have a nice little debate about policy, people are going to be turning the channel, saying, "I want to see some activity. I want to see some -- I want to hear what Bernie thinks of Hillary for real. I want to hear what Hillary thinks of Webb." That's what people want to hear.

ROGINSKY: How -- how dare we?

BOLLING: We know where they stand on policy. So I think it's going to be a mistake and I'll say it again: the Facebook questions, with American asking, with Don Lemon delivering, I think that's the real meat (ph).

GUTFELD: What is your thing with Don Lemon? Are you working for him now?

BOLLING: No, I'm not, but I think...

GUTFELD: Are you guys getting a place in Vegas.

BOLLING: ... most thoughtful. He's the best at CNN.

ROGINSKY: It's as creepy as your obsession with Jim Webb, which I'm starting to get a little concerned about.

GUILFOYLE: I like Don Lemon, though. He's cool.

GUTFELD: Jim Webb is running for something. Don Lemon is running from Eric Bolling.

ROGINSKY: According -- according to Eric, apparently policies...

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BOLLING: Don's a great guy. All right?

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BOLLING: ... he's a good guy on another network.

ROGINSKY: What's the big deal?

GUILFOYLE: I used to like Jake, too.

GUTFELD: Jake's nice.

GUILFOYLE: What else?

GUTFELD: Let's go through the whole CNN group. Did we leave anybody out?

BOLLING: You know what you should get, is a camera on our director, Alison.

GUILFOYLE: She's like why do I have to be the director of this crazy show?

ROGINSKY: All right. Guess what? "One More Thing" is up next.

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GUILFOYLE: Time now for "One More Thing." Greg, what do you have to entertain us?

GUTFELD: It's a little segment I like to call...

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GUTFELD: What the Heck is That?

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GUTFELD: All right. I want you guys to take a look at this, whatever this is, and I'll go around the table and ask you what you think it is. Take a look at that. It looks like some kind of animal formed in a garage. Dana, what is this?

PERINO: And emubra?

GUTFELD: A what?

PERINO: Like an emu and a zebra?

GUTFELD: No, but close.

PERINO: Eric, it looks a little bit like Jeremy Piven. But it's actually a...

BOLLING: It's now a slow loris, is it?

GUTFELD: It's not a slow loris.

GUILFOYLE: No.

GUTFELD: Those are little primates.

BOLLING: Are you kidding? Usually it's a slow loris.

GUTFELD: I know.

BOLLING: What is this?

GUTFELD: This is -- OK.

ROGINSKY: Is it an impala bred with a zebra?

GUTFELD: That's very close. It's very close. But you're wrong, typical liberal.

ROGINSKY: Of course, but close though.

GUTFELD: He's got hair much like Seth Rogen. What do you think it is?

GUILFOYLE: Is that a clue?

GUTFELD: Yes. No.

GUILFOYLE: Well, it's for sure part zebra.

GUTFELD: Nice. You're right. What else?

PERINO: Everybody got that.

GUILFOYLE: And...

GUTFELD: All right, all right.

No, it's not. You're wrong, I'm sorry. You're wrong. Giraffe.

All right. I'm going to end this horrible discussion. It's called an okapi. It's a forest giraffe. Native to central Africa, and its color pattern allows it to hide in dense vegetation. For more on this, go away.

ROGINSKY: I wasn't close at all. What are you talking about?

GUILFOYLE: Wow, that was just really strange, is all I'm going to say. Dana.

PERINO: That was a tease into my "One More Thing."

I wanted to tell about the celebration of reading that I got to go to last night. This is held by the Barbara Bush Foundation, which has continued her mission to end illiteracy, really focusing on early childhood and adult illiteracy.

Group picture here with Scott Simon, Jodi Picoult. There's me in the mitt middle. Yes, I'm that short. Markus Zusak, whose amazing book, "The Book Thief," was there. And Harlan Coben, a good friend of ours at FOX News Channel. And he's written 60 million books in print.

We had lunch with President Bush, which was great.

And I want to also tell that they've got this great -- there's me at the podium, which I could barely see over. Take a look at HelpThemRead.org. There's a program they have called Teen Trendsetters. It's a mentoring program. Proven results. It's actually turning things around, so take a look at it.

GUILFOYLE: That was nice. And you brought back delicious cookies.

PERINO: I did. I was -- resisted eating them.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, and you gave them to me and I really liked them.

GUTFELD: I don't care about that.

BOLLING: Joey, can you-- Is it my turn? Joey, can you help me -- While you're watching the debate tonight, think about which one is really the big-tent party. Tonight you have -- you're going to see one woman, one socialist, five white people with an average age of 65 on the Democrat side -- right.

ROGINSKY: You're making me hold this? You're going to ruin my career.

BOLLING: When you watch the next Republican debate, seven governors, five senators, Two doctors, two CEOs, one woman, two Hispanics, one African- American, with an average age of 58. Which one in your opinion is the big- tent party?

ROGINSKY: Thank you for ruining my career in the Democratic Party by making me hold this.

GUILFOYLE: We'll get you a vague and wide-reaching apology. It should be fine. Everybody loves to forgive.

But what do I love? I love the U.S. Navy, don't I? October 12 marks the 214th birthday of the United States Navy. So happy birthday to all the men and women that serve faithfully. There's some great pictures on social media today. It's very exciting. And 271 deployable ships over 3,700 operational aircraft, and the lists goes on. So we're very happy to have them serve us.

Set your DVRs so you never miss -- what, are you? You want to...

GUTFELD: You were cut. Too late!

ROGINSKY: I had a great "One More Thing."

GUILFOYLE: Oh -- I thought you were part of Bolling.

ROGINSKY: No. I would never be part...

GUILFOYLE: That's OK. He ended your career.

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