McCarthy's departure rocks House speaker race; Kasich makes case for dramatic reform

The candidate from Ohio talks plans for taxes, immigration laws, refugees; weighs in on House speaker race on 'Hannity'


This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," October 8, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: Welcome to "Hannity." Tonight, shockwaves sent through Washington, D.C., as House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy announced earlier today that he is dropping out of the race to replace John Boehner as speaker of the House. Now, listen to how he came to this decision.


REP. KEVIN MCCARTHY, R-CALIF., MAJORITY LEADER: I talked to a lot of members but one thing I've always said to earn this majority were servants.  We should put this conference first. I think there's something to be said for us to unite. We probably need a fresh face.

I'll stay on as majority leader. I don't want making voting for speaker a tough one. I don't want to go to the floor and win with 220 votes. I think the best thing for our party right now is to have 247 votes on the floor. If we are going to be strong, we got ave to be 100 percent united.


HANNITY: Here now with reaction, the host of "Special Report."  Our friend, Bret Baier, is with us. Bret, let me talk about the power of the House Freedom Caucus because they came out, they said that they would be united not only in today's vote, had it occurred, but they would unite on October 29th in the roll call vote, which is open for speaker. That means that Kevin McCarthy, if they stayed united, wouldn't have a path to 218.

BRET BAIER, HOST, "SPECIAL REPORT": That's exactly right. That's how the numbers line up. And the fact that that caucus stood together and said they would never vote for Kevin McCarthy -- his thought was they could peel a couple off there of the 40 to 50 members as a part of that caucus. And he couldn't. They didn't have the numbers. And he did not see a path to 218. He's talking about, I didn't want to get elected by 220. He just didn't have the 218 needed.

And I think he realized that in that conference, and that was the decision. At least, that's what we can gather from everything we've heard from the people in that room.

HANNITY: And a lot of names being bantered (sic) out about today, but names that we might know and recognize like, Paul Ryan, Trey Gowdy, Jim Jordan all say they don't want the job. We hear of people like Congressman Conaway, Congressman Flores, Tom Price of Georgia, all of these -- Andy Harris is a name that has come up, congresswoman from Tennessee we all know, Congresswoman Blackburn.

Any other names you're hearing?

BAIER: Well, Cathy McMorris-Rodgers, who's the conference chair, the Republican conference chair. But there's a real pressure for Paul Ryan to accept, to reconsider the fact that he get back in. And in fact, Speaker Boehner is said to be making phone calls and has made two long phone calls with Ryan today.

Gowdy is said to be pressuring Paul Ryan to accept this, and because they believe he's the consensus candidate that can bridge all of the different sides of the Republican conference.

Really, Sean, the big issue here is, how do you get to 218? And barring that magic number on the House floor, Speaker Boehner stays in this position until they get to that number. And that could mean beyond the end of the month, when they are dealing with some really big items that he may steer through the floor that may be passed without a lot of Republican votes.

HANNITY: I talked to a number of members today, and you don't have to be a member to be the speaker. And they brought up the name Newt Gingrich.  Is that a possibility?

BAIER: His name has been floated out there. Also, former senator Tom Coburn from Oklahoma, his name has been out there, as well.

Anything is possible because you're right, you don't have to be an elected House member to be House speaker. You just have to get to that magic number of 218. The question is whether someone outside the House could actually receive the consensus of all sides.

You know, I think that the Freedom Caucus has a lot of power, but remember, the rest of the members -- this is, you know, 200 -- you know, have a lot of power, as well. And I think they're going to want to see somebody who can kind of walk through the different elements of this conference.

HANNITY: All right, Bret Baier, thank you so much -- weeknights 6:00 Eastern right here on FOX.

Here now with more reaction to today's big news, two members of the House Freedom Caucus, Colorado congressman Ken Buck, Alabama congressman Mo Brooks. Thank you both for being with us.

Congressman Brooks, let me start with you. Would Paul Ryan be a consensus candidate, if he could be talked into it? He's said many times he doesn't want the job.

REP. MO BROOKS, R-ALA.: Well, I believe there are plenty of people in the Republican conference who would make excellent speakers.  Certainly, Paul Ryan is right there.

HANNITY: Yes. Congressman Brooks, you agree with that?

REP. KEN BUCK, R-COLO.: Congressman Buck? Yes, I do think...

HANNITY: I'm sorry. Congressman Buck.

BUCK: Yes. I do think Paul would be credible. I think he has a lot of integrity. I think he has traveled the country and knows a lot of people, and I think he's one of those that people have to consider.

HANNITY: Let me ask you both this important question. Is the House Freedom Caucus committed to ensuring that a conservative that will fight and not waver on issues that involve using the power of the purse, stopping executive amnesty, stopping the funding of "Obama care" and Planned Parenthood -- is that imperative to you, Congressman Mo Brooks, and will you stay united as a caucus?

BROOKS: Oh, absolutely. What we need in Washington, D.C., are representatives who are committed to rising to the challenges that America faces. It might be national security issues. It might be the battle between free enterprise and socialism. It might be deficit and debt.

And we're willing to fight for our country, and hopefully, we will get more members of the United States Congress who will do the same thing. And the Freedom Caucus is just trying to raise the issue, elevate it so that people better understand the risks that America faces and how it's time to do extraordinary things, rather than business as usual.

HANNITY: Congressman Buck.

BUCK: I think that's absolutely right. I think what's also important is the process. I think we have to find a speaker who is committed to regular order, who is committed to allowing the minority of the majority to have a voice and to be heard.

And I think it's going to critical that whoever runs for this, in front of the entire conference talks about the importance of letting the process go forward.

HANNITY: All right, thank you both for being with us. We appreciate your time.


HANNITY: Here now with more reaction, 2016 Republican presidential candidate, Ohio governor John Kasich. How are you, sir? Good to see you.


HANNITY: Welcome to New York City, where rats outnumber people.


HANNITY: This -- you were the chairman of the House Budget Committee.  You were the last Congress to really balance a budget!

KASICH: Yes, I was the architect, right?

HANNITY: Since John Boehner's been speaker, our debt has gone up $4.1 trillion, 60 percent of Republicans feel betrayed by Republicans in Washington. You want -- can this be fixed?

KASICH: Oh, absolutely, Sean. Look, I mean, when I left, we actually had a $5 trillion projected surplus over 10 years. When I went into Ohio, we were 20 percent of our operating funds in the hole. Now we're running a $2 billion surplus.

And I'm going to increasingly lay out a plan that gives us a road map to a balanced budget. And look, in order to balance the budget, you got to shake everything up. I mean, you got to have more than an evolution, it has to be a shaking from top to bottom. And frankly, with a president that's willing to do it, I think you can unite the House. I think you can unite the Senate. I think you can get it done.

And I was part of doing it. It's not easy, but leadership really matters. And if you lead as an executive, it's amazing how you can unite people.

HANNITY: But you guys got huge things done!

KASICH: We did.

HANNITY: You got welfare reform. You balanced a real budget with real numbers! And I remember the fight.


HANNITY: You also...

KASICH: Went through shutdown.

HANNITY: Well, I was going to say...


HANNITY: This Republican Party in Congress has this inordinate paranoia and fear that they'll be blamed for a shutdown, which I would argue has rendered them impotent! Is that a fair...

KASICH: Well, I think you have to be always willing to take tough action, Sean, but you got to see a result that'll work. So you might say, Why were you involved in the shutdown against Bill Clinton? Because Bill Clinton was a guy that if there was a riot coming at him, he'd get in front of it and call it a parade. We knew he'd wilt!

So I think you have to fire (ph) out there, but you can't get yourself in a position where things don't work because then people say, What are these people doing down there?

We need a president. We need a president who's not only going to...

HANNITY: All right...

KASICH: ... bring us a balanced budget, tax reform, regulatory reform, we've got to promote energy across the board, and we can revive this country. I've done it. I did it in Ohio and in Washington.

HANNITY: The penny plan. You cut a penny out of every dollar.

KASICH: A penny and...


HANNITY: You know who fought it?

KASICH: Republicans and Democrats.

HANNITY: All right, you're right.

KASICH: And we lost by a few votes, but it was the first shot...

HANNITY: Penny...


HANNITY: ... repatriated money, trillions overseas. You make us the tax have of the world, corporate tax rates -- and I think it would all help, those things. What...

KASICH: Sean, I think you could get -- I think you could get that money back to our country. I think you could repatriate and have corporate tax reform all designed to give workers the tools for higher productivity and higher wages.

HANNITY: Trillions of dollars that would be used for manufacturing...

KASICH: No question.

HANNITY: ... centers in Ohio and elsewhere.

KASICH: No question.

HANNITY: Let me -- I -- Newt Gingrich was the speaker when you got all of these things done. I had him on my radio show today. He offered words of advice for Republicans in the wake of McCarthy's announcement.  Let's play that.


NEWT GINGRICH, R-FMR. HOUSE SPEAKER, FMR. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Now that we're at this point, how do we move forward? My only advice to the House Republicans -- and I was for Kevin. I thought Kevin was the best prepared person.

But it's clear that we are in a much bigger historic situation, as you point out. It also affects the U.S. Senate, and the Republican senators ought to understand this. You have the top three candidates for the presidency now on our side are all outsiders. You can see where the country is saying, You guys got to change what you're doing.

And my advice to House Republicans would be slow down, have day-long sessions, where you actually listen to each other with sort of a sense of humility, where all of you listen to each other and try to figure out for country's sake how do we move forward.


HANNITY: Is that good advice?

KASICH: Yes, I think it is. And here's the thing, Sean. We know we need a dramatic reform in all of government. And the thing is, I get elected, you're going to wear a seatbelt because we're going to have so much change, which is what I did in Washington and what I've done in Ohio.

What I'm most concerned about is having a united party that wants to reduce the power and the money and influence in Washington.

HANNITY: That doesn't exist right now, does it.

KASICH: No, it doesn't exist right now, and -- but we can have sweeping change. I'm going to have 90 to 120 days to bring about very dramatic change, to have Washington look completely different.

HANNITY: One of the most...

KASICH: And I know how to do it, by the way. It's one thing to talk about it.

HANNITY: You've done it.

KASICH: I know how to get these things done. I've done it a couple times.

HANNITY: I want to ask you, in light of this, though, but there were 10 items. It was called a "Contract With America."


HANNITY: Why don't we duplicate that? Republicans commit to a vision that will balance the budget, make us energy-independent, control our borders...

KASICH: I'm going to have -- I have a contract with America coming.  I don't know what I'm going to call it, but it's going to be a comprehensive plan to get...

HANNITY: You're going to lay out how many items on your...

KASICH: Oh, there's going to be a bunch of them. It'll be regulatory, tax, energy. It'll be coming very, very soon, and it will get more detail as time goes on.

You realize I've only been a candidate for president for slightly more than two months?

HANNITY: I was there that day that you...

KASICH: It almost seems like it's been two years, right? So give me a little time, but we're going to move and it'll be responsible.

HANNITY: Well, because I think the success that you and Newt Gingrich had can be duplicated. And I believe you've shown that as governor. Look at these poll numbers, the latest Quinnipiac poll number for you. No Republican can win the White House without the state -- the Buckeye State of Ohio. Look at those numbers. These are the highest approval ratings you've ever had, 62-29!

What was the debt when you took over? What was the deficit?

KASICH: Eight billion, about 20 percent of our general revenue fund.

HANNITY: Eight billion. What is the surplus now?

KASICH: Two billion.

HANNITY: What was the deficit...

KASICH: We're up 347,000...

HANNITY: When you became House...

KASICH: ... jobs.

HANNITY: When you were the House Budget chairman...

KASICH: Oh, hundreds of billions. And over the long term -- you know, we also paid down debt when we balanced the budget when I was the architect.

But Sean, here's what it took. I had to fight sometimes my own party.  I had to fight the Appropriations Committee! You know, there's three parties in Washington. There's the Republicans, Democrats and the Appropriations Committee. And I had to fight them, and you have to take the heat. I've had to take heat in Ohio, but you know what? It gets rewarded when you can produce success.

HANNITY: Your opinion -- you worked with Newt Gingrich to make this success. Would he be a good speaker to come back?

KASICH: Let me tell you, we...


KASICH: We've had changes to leadership in Ohio. Whoever's there, I got to work with to get things done. We have to get these things done -- balancing budgets...

HANNITY: All right, last question...

KASICH: ... reforming taxes, immigration, the whole thing!

HANNITY: I want to ask you two questions, two issues that have come up in interviews that I've had with you that people have responded in a big way. One is immigration. Where do you stand on illegal immigrants?

KASICH: Look, listen, I did the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce the other day. And Javier (ph), who was running it -- it was an interview. He says to me, you know, I don't agree with you on the wall. I said, Do you have a couple homes? He says, Yes. I said, Where do you live? He said, A couple places. I said, Do you lock your door? He said, Yes. We need to lock the door so we know who's coming into America...


HANNITY: So build the wall first?

KASICH: Well, absolutely! It has to be done, and...


HANNITY: ... that came in here illegally...

KASICH: Anybody who comes in here, once that wall's done, they got to go back. No excuses, no more explanations.

HANNITY: What about those here? Do they ever get a chance for citizenship?

KASICH: No. I want -- I'm for legalization. I don't favor citizenship.

HANNITY: All right, last question -- refugees, Syria, Iraq. James Clapper said that...

KASICH: If we cannot assure -- ensure that they are not here to become part of an effort to damage us, then they shouldn't come.

HANNITY: All right.

KASICH: There has to be a guarantee on that.

HANNITY: Governor, good to see you. Thanks for stopping by.  Appreciate it.

KASICH: Oh! Hey...

HANNITY: So you're going to announced your own contract...

KASICH: ... how about you for speaker?

HANNITY: Yes, right.

KASICH: How about you for speaker?


HANNITY: How many votes do you think I can get?

KASICH: You couldn't afford to be speaker!

HANNITY: No, I couldn't take the pay cut. How many -- could I ask you -- how many votes would I realistically get? Maybe Louie Gohmert would be the only one.

KASICH: Three of the happiest people in America today, John Boehner, Debbie Boehner, and I think Scott Walker's wife probably thrilled that all the heat is off and they can have a little fun.


HANNITY: All right, John Kasich.

Coming up, more reaction to Congressman Kevin McCarthy's shocking decision to drop out of the race for speaker.

Then new damning information related to Hillary Clinton's e-mails. A report reveals hackers now from multiple countries all launched cyber- attacks on her private server. Ed Henry's standing by with a full report.

Also, Rudy Giuliani weighs in on the possibility, could she go to jail?

And then later tonight --


HILLARY CLINTON, D-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:  The NRA's position reminds me of negotiating with the Iranians, or the communists, you know? There's no possible discussion.


HANNITY: Hillary stoops to a new low when it comes to pushing gun control. That and much more on this busy news night tonight on "Hannity."



HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." A major shake-up is taking place in the Republican Party after Congressman Kevin McCarthy earlier today dropped out of the race to be the next speaker of the House.

Here with reaction to that, from The Weekly Standard, Steve Hayes, from The Washington Times, Charles Hurt. Steve, you got to admit, once the House Freedom Caucus -- they're staying united. Kevin didn't have a path to 218. Where do they go from here?

And by the way, I don't think this is a bad thing. I think this is a good thing. Democrats can say everything they want, but I think this will be -- out of this will be a stronger, more committed Republican Party that is going to fight harder. That's my guess and hope. Thoughts.

STEPHEN HAYES, FOX CONTRIBUTOR: I think it's a possibility. I think it's a better hope than a guess, at this point. I mean, you know, the question, I think, is, will somebody emerge who can unify the party? And when you talk to members of Congress -- and just within the past few minutes, I've talked to half a dozen. There aren't many names that people will give you that they think could potentially do that.

One name you hear most often is Paul Ryan. Ryan has made clear that he doesn't want the job. He's being asked to reconsider by John Boehner, by Kevin McCarthy, by other prominent House Republicans as something of a unifying figure. Mick Mulvaney on "Special Report" earlier tonight told Bret Baier that if Ryan entered the race, that he would be a transformational figure in the race -- Mulvaney, of course, a card-carrying member of the House Freedom Caucus.

So there's the a possibility that Ryan could enter the race and could reconsider, could take the job, and potentially end up with the kind of situation that you're talking about.

However, you talk to people who have talked to Ryan about this, and he's concerned that members of the House Freedom Caucus who disagree with his position on immigration, who don't like his position on the debt ceiling, for instance, would still withhold support from him and lead to another bloody battle, only this one featuring Paul Ryan. So I think it's really up in the air at this point.

HANNITY: Charles, consider me somebody who likes to think out of the box, I think the most success that Republicans had in the House was under Newt Gingrich. Bring him back. Thoughts?

CHARLES HURT, WASHINGTON TIMES: Well, you know, that's actually -- idea has been floated already today. I saw somebody talking about that possibility.

But I agree with you, Sean. I think that this right now is a tremendous opportunity for Republicans to do something, to do something transformational, to pick somebody way out of the sort of -- the expected realm of candidates and pick somebody who is not only a visionary but also understands how the system works and can move the process along so that Republicans can start having real accomplishments...


HURT: ... even -- even now before we get to the White House.

HANNITY: Don't both of you agree, this is kind of sad that not enough people are jumping in this. I mean, I think the House Freedom Caucus should have their member and lay out their vision on how they would fight to stop executive amnesty, funding Planned Parenthood, defunding "Obama care." I'd like to see more people get in, especially those that stood against McCarthy. Steve.

HAYES: Yes, I mean, I think if there were a more robust debate that actually hashed out some of the policy differences, it could be the kind of productive moment that you're talking about. The prospects of that happening (INAUDIBLE) are very slim. I mean, you're not really hearing much about the policy debates.

What you're having is Republicans sort of stabbing each other in the back, taking shots at one another, often anonymously...


HAYES: ... and not getting themselves together in a way that I think is probably counterproductive for Republicans.

HANNITY: All right, guys, thank you.

We have a busy news night straight ahead. A new report says foreign hackers, five countries now, repeatedly targeted Hillary Clinton's private server. Ed Henry here with a full report. Plus, reaction from Rudy Giuliani on if this could put Hillary Clinton behind bars.

Then later tonight...


CLINTON :  The NRA's position reminds me of negotiating with the Iranians, or the communists, you know? There's no possible discussion.


HANNITY: Hillary Clinton comparing NRA members to murderous regimes like the communists and Iran? Wow! We'll talk with Katie Pavlich, Bo Dietl, Julie Roginsky straight ahead.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." The list of foreign hackers who tried to break into Hillary Clinton's private e-mail server continues to grow. Now, according to the Associated Press, Clinton's server faced repeated cyber-attacks in 2014 that originated in China, South Korea, Germany. So how is the Clinton campaign reacting to this latest development?

Standing by tonight in Washington, D.C., with the very latest, our own Ed Henry -- Ed.

ED HENRY, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Good to see you, Sean. The campaign is stressing there's no evidence that any of these hacks succeeded.  Obviously, though, just the fact that there was this threat when Hillary Clinton had a private server really points up fact of why critics have been saying she should not have had that arrangement as secretary of state.

It brings to mind what Republican senator Ron Johnson has been saying this week about the expansion of the FBI criminal investigation, remember, that involves not just one but two tech companies, one in Denver and one in Connecticut, Johnson's point being that if Hillary Clinton's server and e- mails, which we now know had over 400 e-mails with classified information, at least 400, maybe more as the State Department goes through all of those records, that it was bouncing around through various servers and back-up machines, as well, and that the threat became greater.

The other issue developing today, Republican Trey Gowdy moving aggressively to try and get his Benghazi investigation back on track as House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy admitted, his gaffe about the probe being tied to Clinton's poll numbers hurt his bid for speaker.

The bottom line today is liberal David Brock, who's the head of the pro-Clinton super-PAC Correct the Record pounced on McCarthy and immediately declared Democrats are coming for Gowdy next, declaring, quote, "Kevin McCarthy fell for telling the truth for a political charade. Will Benghazi committee chairman Trey Gowdy be the next to fall? I said it last week. I'll say it again. Trey Gowdy should disband this sham of a committee now."

Well, Gowdy, guess what, is not backing down. He is releasing new e- mails showing Sidney Blumenthal, with no expertise on Libya, pursued business deals there while advising Clinton on sensitive policy, most striking an e-mail where the adviser appears to provide classified information to Clinton over her private server, Blumenthal writing that an associate, quote, "spoke to a colleague currently at the CIA, who told me agency had been dependent for intelligence from" -- and then named the person in that e-mail.

Now, Gowdy has redacted the name and said he is concerned that that Blumenthal e-mail could jeopardize not just national security, but also human lives, Sean.

HANNITY: Oh, boy, that's a big development on top of the big developments yesterday. Ed Henry, thanks so much for joining us.

HENRY: Thank you.

HANNITY: Here now with more reaction, former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani. Mr. Mayor, you have the Platte River employee that when they requested that the e-mails start being deleted, they thought that this was some serious -- I won't use the word -- going on.

In other words, the company, this mom and pop shop, they knew that when they requested it that the State Department had already requested those e-mails, and they didn't want to be brought into a coverup. That to me may be a huge smoking gun! Your thoughts.

RUDY GIULIANI, R- FMR. NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: Well, I told you I think several weeks ago that there were at least 13 statutes that according to the public record, if true, Hillary Clinton violated. They range from misdemeanors to felonies. I've since found two more. I think I sent you a list of the 13.

The reality is that these are serious criminal violations. She was taking classified information, confidential information. She was using it in a grossly negligent manner. That's a two-year misdemeanor.

She was clearly guilty of putting classified information out and giving it to people that weren't entitled to it. That's a felony under federal law.

She violated the mail fraud statutes, the wire fraud statutes, the obstruction of justice statute by destroying the e-mails. I mean, the number of violations are piling up.

Now, these facts have to be proven. They could be untrue. But if they're true, they make a prima facie case of numerous violations of federal law. And let's see how much courage the Obama administration has in holding Hillary Clinton to the same standard that Richard Nixon was held to, that General Petraeus was held to, that...

HANNITY: This is going to be...

GIULIANI: ... Governor McDonnell was held to.

HANNITY: This is going to be huge. This is a huge test. We'll put some of the laws up, and this is only a few of the many that you had mentioned while we're doing the segment.

What's fascinating about this -- she gave us a very clear answer about the deleted e-mails. The FBI feels that they can recover them. We found out that she had a cloud back-up service in Connecticut, so they may find - - be able to fill some of the gaps there.

And then within the company and the server itself, they might be able to retrieve all of these e-mails. If they're not about a funeral, a wedding or yoga, or e-mails to Bill, but they're about Benghazi, the Clinton Foundation and have classified information on it, would that not be a strong case of obstruction of justice?

GIULIANI: First of all, you'd have her lying. She said that all the ones deleted were all personal. It now turns out that hundreds and hundreds and hundreds that were deleted were clearly not personal. They were anywhere from government information to top-secret information. So you -- in a trial there's nothing more powerful than a false statement. We also have the destruction of evidence. There is nothing more powerful in a trial than to have a defendant who has destroyed evidence and actually lied about the evidence that was destroyed. I mean the case is beginning to become almost absurd if someone doesn't move forward with it.

HANNITY: I had two I.T. professionals on the program last night.  Both of them were in full and complete agreement, they are 95 percent confident that all of those 33,000 e-mails will be recovered. We learned today China, South Korea, Germany, we know the Russians on five separate occasions tried to hack into this server. They are 100 percent certain that they were successful. So I would assume we're getting those e-mails.  So if in fact we find them, could the administration, could they get in the way and stop some type of grand jury or indictment of her?

GIULIANI: I can't imagine they would. They shouldn't. The Justice Department has never operated that way since the Watergate reforms which I happen to have been a part of during the Ford administration. It would be a tragedy if they were.

But the case is getting so strong now that it's going to be really hard to have an intellectually honest decision and walk away from it.  We're talking about 13 to 15 serious federal statutes that on the face of it she appears to have violated.

She also has proven that she is completely grossly negligent in the handling of sensitive information. And we want somebody like this for president of the United States, someone who is grossly negligent in handling this kind of information? When I had sensitive FISA court information it never left my office, it never left my safe. I would hand- deliver it to the FISA court. And if I ever got caught not doing that, I would expect at least I would be fired and probably I would be put in jail.

HANNITY: Mr. Mayor, thank you for being with us. Powerful case you are making. Appreciate you being with us. It sounds like she may need a criminal defense attorney.

And up next tonight right here on "Hannity" --


CLINTON: The NRA's position reminds me of negotiating with the Iranians or the communists. There's no possible discussion.


HANNITY: Your friend Mr. Obama gave the Iranians $150 billion. A horrible disturbing comparison made by Hillary Clinton. We'll check in with Katie Pavlich, Bo Dietl, and Julie Roginsky. They're here to respond.

Then later tonight --


DAVID CAMERON, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: Let me say right here, no more passive tolerance in Britain!



BAIER: It may be time for the president to learn a thing or two from Prime Minister David Cameron. We're going to play more of the U.K. leader's strong remarks about radical Islamists. We'll check in with Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters. He's here to weigh in as we continue.



CLINTON: You know, the NRA's position reminds me of negotiating with the Iranians or the communists. You know, there's no possible discussion.  And it's for political purposes.

 You know, this is the way this works, and it is pretty cynical. The NRA tries to keep gun owners, the ones who are members, really upset all the time so they can keep collecting their money because they tell them that they're the only thick that's going to stop the black helicopters from landing on the front yard and people's guns being seized. I mean, that's basically the argument they make.


   BAIER: That was nice of Hillary to admit that negotiating with the Iranians is really dumb. It's especially dumb whether you give them $150 billion. That was her yesterday in Iowa. Here with reaction, FOX News contributor Katie Pavlich, former NYPD detective and new grandpa, Bo Dietl.  Congratulations. Baby Bo born today.        

BO DIETL, FORMER NYPD DETECTIVE: Just a couple hours ago. Jackson.        

HANNITY: Jackson, Jackson Dietl. And Fox News contributor Julie Roginsky.        

You know, besides her admitting that it was dumb to negotiate with the Iranians, which I will put aside, how dare this woman compare the NRA to homicidal maniacal regimes, in the case Iran killing millions, including a lot of Americans, and in the case of communists, some 40 million people slaughtered under Stalin. Gee, that's really nice of Hillary to compare NRA members to that.

JULIE ROGINSKY, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: I don't like comparing anybody to communists or Tehran because, you're right, they're in their own category. But her larger point is not incorrect in that it the NRA does not want to sit down with anybody and find common solutions to the problem.

HANNITY: That's not true.

ROGINSKY: Where are they?

HANNITY: I'm an NRA member, a proud one. And there's no group in America, Bo Dietl back me up, that offers more gun safety courses --

ROGINSKY: That's not a solution.

HANNITY: Sure it's a solution.

ROGINSKY: That's not a solution to what's going on right now.

DIETL: But instead of politicizing what we're doing right now with the shooting in Oregon, everybody's jumping, including the president. I got some little facts and figures for people, and the NRA ain't doing it.  There's a town called West Garfield Park outside of Chicago. Last year -- it only has a population of 18,000. Last year, 21 dead. That means -- they always do it per 100,000. That means there's 116 per 100,000. And around the area of Chicago, the mass shootings they have 100, that means three or more people killed. These are not being shot by guns that are legal. My problem here is everybody likes to jump on the NRA. The fact is if you had guns in gun-free zones by professional maybe you could a psychopath --

HANNITY: In other words retired police officers. Let me bring Katie in. Katie, you wrote a great column. You think the president really does want confiscation because when he talks about common sense gun control he's always referencing Australia and he's always referencing Great Britain.  Both in '96, '97 confiscated the guns of ordinary citizens.

KATIE PAVLICH, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Right. The president's been very intellectually dishonest when he says we need common sense, modest gun control proposals from gun owners like the ones they've done in Britain and Australia which required the confiscation of hundreds of thousands of firearms and really basically banning handguns in those countries.

But to the broader point of the NRA, this is a really important point here. The NRA is made up of 5 million American citizens. So when Hillary Clinton is comparing the NRA which is Americans to terrorists in Tehran and the communists, she is really comparing those people who she's supposed to be representing as someone who wants to run for the White House to represent all of the people.


PAVLICH: One more point. The fact is that the NRA is the ones who have been working with Congress and previous presidents to bring mental health legislation into law to work on legislation to prevent criminals from getting their hands on guns and, yes, guns safety --

ROGINSKY: Let me give you two solutions here the NRA should get behind but has not -- smart gun technology. We need to get on that immediately. I don't see why not. And, secondly, private sales and have background checks for all private sales. What's the problem with that?  There's no problem. Even the majority of NRA members support that.


DIETL: How dare -- how dare Hillary Clinton call me -- because I'm a member of the NRA, how dare her call plea me a communist. With this lady being such a liar the way she is, she's lied about everything. She's lied about her marriage. She's lied about the relationship with her husband.  Damn it, it gets me angry.

HANNITY: Lied about the e-mails. Lied about Benghazi.

HANNITY: She should focus on her own life and stop worrying about people who are righteous people who own guns and try to keep people safe.

HANNITY: By the way, she has plenty of guards around her. Thank you all for being with us.

PAVLICH: Yes, she does.

HANNITY: When we come back, British Prime Minister David Cameron delivers a very powerful speech condemning radical Islam. Where's Obama on the same issue? That's next.  


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So with the rise of radical Islam and ISIS gaining strength in the Middle East, the U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron delivered a rousing speech yesterday about Islamic extremism.  President Obama, by the way, if you're watching, you might want to take some notes and learn something.


CAMERON: We need to confront, and I mean really confront, extremism, take on extremism in all its forms, the violent and non-violent. For too long we've been so frightened of causing offence that we haven't looked hard enough at what is going on in our communities.

Before you know it, a young British boy barely 17 is strapping bombs to his body and blowing himself up in Iraq. We've got to stop this at the start. Stop this seed of hatred even being planted in people's minds let alone allowing it to grow. So let me say here, no more passive tolerance in Britain!



BAIER: Now our president, President Obama, won't even utter the words "radical Islam." Instead, these are the things he says about Islam.


PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: The United States is not and will never be at war with Islam.

And I'm also proud to carry with me the good will of the American people in a greeting of peace from Muslim communities in my country.

The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.

ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL's victims have been Muslim.

We have reaffirmed again and again that the United States is not and never will be at war with Islam. Islam teaches peace.


HANNITY: Here with reaction, Fox News strategic analyst Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters. So there you have Prime Minister Cameron, Prime Minister Netanyahu, and there you have president pushover. What is your reaction?

LT. COL. RALPH PETERS, FOX NEWS STRATEGIC ANALYST: Prime Minister Cameron has moral courage. He is a man of character. He's a -- he has integrity. And he's addressing the problem as it is, not as he wishes it were. And our president just doesn't have any of those qualities. And it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate for Mr. Obama, too, because his legacy is going to be a disastrous one.

But in the meantime it's a great step forward that a key western leader has said no more tolerance of intolerance. So God bless Cameron.

HANNITY: I think he said the right things. What do you make of a president where here he draws a red line in Syria and that line is crossed over and he does nothing? He said he would do something. He did nothing.  Then, you have Vladimir Putin saying he's going to attack ISIS and Syria and his initial attacks are nowhere near where ISIS is concentrated, but he's attacking the American backed, the American trained, America armed forces that are there to topple Assad. Is that not a proxy war against America?

PETERS: Of course it is, Sean. The White House just takes things day to day. They're always reacting. There's no long term vision. There's no strategy. There's no even a tactical plan that makes sense.

And so what Putin and Assad and the Iranians are doing is very, very clear. There have a series of goals, successive goals. The first one is to secure the key provinces of Syria in western and southwestern Syria for the Assad government. And to do that they are actively trying to depopulate parts of those provinces where the Sunni Muslims live.

Now, those refugees flooding into Europe, everybody says ISIS, ISIS.  No. Only a minority are fleeing ISIS. Most of them are young Sunni males fleeing the attacks of the Assad regime. And they are perfectly willing, Assad is perfectly willing to depopulate vast stretches of his country just so he can control it.

Then the next step, of course, is the rest of the country, while Russia, working with Iran, with Iraq -- remember Iraq? They're supposed to be our guys -- and with the Syrians is building a wall of states from Iran through Iraq to Syria and Lebanon to the Mediterranean Sea that will Shia dominated. Putin is betting on the Shias, will overshadow Israel.  Netanyahu has already made his pilgrimages to Moscow. He can read the writing on the wall, overshadow the Saudis, overshadow the gulf emirates.  Vladimir Putin is methodically upending not only the Middle East but the world order, and our president declares victory.

HANNITY: It's unbelievable. Ralph Peters, thank you, sir.

When we come back, our "Ask Sean" segment is next. Did you question make the cut? Also we need your help, a very important "Question of the Day" straight ahead.  


HANNITY: All right, time for our "Question of the Day." So who do you want to be the next speaker of the House? Remember when you choose it does not have to be a sitting member of Congress if that means anything to you.  Go to Facebook.com/SeanHannity, @SeanHannity on Twitter, let us know what you think. Now it's time for our "Ask Sean" segment. Tonight this is from a young man named Conner.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Sean, which candidate can save my future?


HANNITY: What a great question, Conner, "Which candidate can save my future?" You know what, Conner, very wise for your young years. That is what elections should be about, about your future. I have not decided personally who I'm picking yet. Remember, it's about four months, a little less than four months before the Iowa caucuses. But I can tell you what I'm looking for -- somebody that has the vision that we'll stop spending more money than we take in because otherwise we're robbing from your generation. Balance our budget, make America energy independent, secure America's borders, reestablish America's leadership in the world. That is the kind of thing that I'm looking for in a candidate, somebody that is conservative, because conservatism works, that can articulate that vision and win the election so that you won't have to worry about those things.  I'll let you know when I make my mind up. Thanks for the question.

By the way, if you have a question for me, just go to Twitter, use #AskSean, or even better, send in a video just like Conner and we might put you on TV.

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