Carson stands by views after media attacks; Whistleblower says key terror intel being ignored

On 'Hannity,' candidate expands on mass shooting remarks, talks career as surgeon


This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," October 7, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: And welcome to "Hannity." Tonight, brand-new poll numbers just released today reveal that 2016 outsider candidates are connecting well with you, the voters, in very important key swing states.

And standing by tonight at the "Hannity" big board with the very latest, the co-host of "Fox & Friends First," Ainsley Earhardt. Big night with polls tonight.

AINSLEY EARHARDT, CO-HOST, "FOX & FRIENDS FIRST": Yes, it is. It's always fun to look at these polls.

Let me tell you about them tonight, Sean. The trend of voters supporting candidates who come from outside of Washington continues to show up in three very important swing states. New Quinnipiac poll numbers bring more good news for Donald Trump and for Dr. Ben Carson.

In Pennsylvania, Trump is leading with 23 percent, while Carson comes in second place with 17 percent. They are followed by Marco Rubio, Carly Fiorina, Ted Cruz and then Chris Christie.

Down in Florida, Donald Trump holding a sizable lead there, as well, with 28 percent. Carson comes in second place with 16 percent. Marco Rubio is next, Jeb Bush, and they both hail from that state, as you know.  They come in at third and fourth place, followed by Fiorina and then followed by Cruz.

Then let's go to Ohio. Trump and Carson are in first and second place, 23 and 18 percent. Current Ohio governor John Kasich is in third place with 13 percent, followed by Cruz, Fiorina and then Rubio.

Well, as for Democrats in these same states, Sean, Hillary Clinton holds strong leads down in Florida, as well as Ohio, over Vice President Joe Biden, who has not yet even declared his candidacy, and Senator Bernie Sanders. The numbers, as you can see, are a little tighter in Pennsylvania.

Sean, it will be very interesting to see what happens if Biden does jump into this race. He's reportedly talking with his family about it, about his political future over the weekend. We, of course, will keep eyes out, our ears open, and we'll report back to you, Sean.

HANNITY: All right, Ainsley, great numbers, very interesting. It's getting fascinating.

Also tonight, FOX News has confirmed that the FBI is now looking at data from a second tech company related to Hillary Clinton's personal server scandal. So just how bad is the Clinton campaign reacting, and how bad it is for them? Standing by in D.C., he has the very latest, our own Ed Henry. Ed, what's the latest?

ED HENRY, FOX CORRESPONDENT: Good evening, Sean. Interesting. The FBI is now expanding its investigation of Hillary Clinton's server to include obtaining data, which has now been turned over from a second tech company, Datto. Inc. It's based in Connecticut. They were hired by the Colorado-based Platte River, which oversaw the server, to help back up the data, though a source familiar with the investigation tells me the tech employees did not have security clearances to handle classified information.

That is angering Republican senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. He's chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, and he says he has real problems with how the former secretary of state handled all this. Listen.


SEN. RON JOHNSON, R-WIS.: Platte River Networks -- they contracted with Datto to store the backup information on a device with the server and really were surprised when they found out that Datto was transmitting that to the cloud. And so, yes, they're -- my guess is damage control. But again, this just shows how sloppy, and again, that just reckless disregard for national security interests. The dereliction of duty of Secretary Clinton is being revealed here.


HENRY: Now, the Clinton camp today was trying to basically tie Ron Johnson to Kevin McCarthy with his comments to you last week, Sean, about the Benghazi committee, saying, quote, "Ron Johnson is ripping a page from the House Benghazi committee's playbook and mounting his own taxpayer- funded sham of an investigation for the sole purpose of attacking Hillary Clinton politically. The Justice Department's independent review is led by non-political career professionals, and Ron Johnson has no business interfering with it for his own partisan ends."

But interesting. Ron Johnson's also obtained some e-mails from some of the employees out there at Platte River that oversaw the server. One of the employees at one point wrote that he was wondering if there was a record of a, quote, "directive" to cut the backup of Clinton's data. At another point, this employee also said he was wondering if, quote, "this whole thing really is covering up some shady" bleep. We've got to bleep out that expletive.

Clearly, inside this tech company, at least the first one in Colorado, there were concerns that data was being deleted, Sean.

HANNITY: That's unbelievable, that story! We're going to continue to follow it. And there's a lot of issues involving whether or not there are legal matters here. Thank you, Ed Henry. Appreciate it.

HENRY: Good to see you.

HANNITY: Here with reaction, editor-in-chief of Lifezette.com Laura Ingraham. And from The Weekly Standard, Steve Hayes.

All right, guys, let's go to the polls first, then we'll go back to the IT issue. Laura, when you really look at it, it's Trump, Carson, Carly, Cruz, Rubio, Bush and maybe Christie. Should the other candidates at this point start considering getting out?

LAURA INGRAHAM, LIFEZETTE.COM: Well, I don't know what they're doing staying in much longer. There are a lot of these candidates, Sean, who are at single digits and low single digits and have basically not moved out of that territory for over two months.

At this point, there are certain candidates, like when you think of a Rand Paul, for instance -- Rand Paul's got to worry about a Senate seat at this point. And he said -- he said some time ago...

HANNITY: Well, maybe George Pataki...

INGRAHAM: ... that he promised that he...

HANNITY: ... or Lindsey Graham? I mean...



INGRAHAM: Well, I don't -- I mean, who -- I mean, a lot of people weren't even sure that Pataki was still around when he started to run, so...

STEVE HAYES, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: The Pataki moment is stunning.

INGRAHAM: ... I'm glad he's OK...

HAYES: You guys shouldn't be so cynical. I can sense the Pataki moment is upon us -- yes, all right...


HANNITY: ... Weisenheimer.


INGRAHAM: They all got to -- they all got to get out.

HANNITY: Well...

INGRAHAM: I mean, it's at this point -- it's not a -- it's not a Republican employment program, running for president, but you see that a lot of people feel like this is their next moment before the next increase in speaking fees or the next book contract. But it's not working across the board for a number of candidates. And I think most people know that.

HANNITY: You look at these new poll numbers, and you know, Steve, you've not been a Trump fan. He's held steady now month after month, poll after poll -- you know, some slight variations but minimal at best.

What's your reaction to his sustainability at this point? I mean, you got -- you can't argue with these constant numbers.

HAYES: No, I mean, he did have a little slide in some of the national polling from early August to about a week ago, if you look at the FOX numbers, you look at the NBC numbers, the Bloomberg numbers. He slipped in some of those polls. But you know, the Reuters/Ipsos poll out today, he was doing well in that.

But he's the front-runner, and until I think he makes the kind of mistakes that are going to matter to his supporters, he will remain the front-runner. The big question I think is among the candidates who are below him or who are poised to rise, which one is it going to be? Is somebody going to break out?

We've seen Ben Carson seem to have his moment. He seems now to perhaps be eclipsed by Carly Fiorina, who's rising. You've seen Marco Rubio's numbers improve. Jeb Bush's numbers really haven't improved much.  I think the next question is who emerges as, you know, the candidate to potentially take on Donald Trump in a one-on-one way.

HANNITY: Yes, Laura, let me go back to the Hillary issue which Ed Henry was reporting on. Now the State Department is saying to Hillary, We want more e-mails. Now we find another company that has a cloud in Connecticut. They might have the e-mails. The FBI might have even been able to recover the some, what, 33,000 e-mails that she deleted.

But more interesting is this Platte River company. And when they were given orders over the phone to start deleting the e-mails after they had been subpoenaed by both the State Department and a congressional committee, now we're really talking about obstruction of justice!


HANNITY: And in the words of that one company employee, some shady -- shady, you know, stuff.

INGRAHAM: Yes, well, destruction of evidence in an investigation or in an anticipatory fashion, Sean -- if you anticipate an investigation, this is a felony. I mean, you do real time for this. This is serious stuff. And it kind of reminds you, in a way, although I think it worse in many ways, than Whitewater. Remember Whitewater started as one thing, and then it became many other things and the diagram was so impossible to figure out at the end.

But when you look at these focus groups that have been done recently about Hillary, it is amazing that the Democrats have kind of baked all this in. They know she shouldn't have done this. And I think it all becomes white noise to the Democrat voters, who are just absolutely...

HANNITY: Let me...

INGRAHAM: ... intent upon...

HANNITY: Let me go to this focus group...

INGRAHAM:  -- believing Hillary even if they -- Yes, go ahead.

HANNITY: I don't want to interrupt you, but you raise a good point.  And we're still at -- in all of these polls, it's all 60-plus percent people do not find her honest and trustworthy. That includes the three swing states that Ainsley was talking about.

Here's Bloomberg politics, John Heileman, and Halperin, they do a focus group. Listen to what this woman says! I mean, you shouldn't even be saying this about anybody! But listen.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My opinion is a little bit -- it's little more general, just in that she speaks articulately about her positions without having that edge and that scorned kind of woman thing. That's a little off-putting.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) a little bit more about that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think that -- because I think that can put off a lot of male voters.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tell me what it's like. What are you seeing that (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know, when she's -- I don't want to use the word, but...


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's not like women need to be equal. I mean -- I don't -- I just...


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't think -- I don't feel unequal.


HANNITY: Sixty-one percent in all those three swing states, on average, do not find her honest and trustworthy. You listened to that woman. Can anyone win the presidency, Steve, with people viewing them that way?

HAYES: No, I think it'd be very hard. And if I'm a Democrat or a big Democratic bundler or a rank-and-file Democratic voter, I'm very nervous about Hillary Clinton being the nominee of my party.

And Laura's point is exactly right. If you look at the e-mail story and the way that it's evolved, it's very hard to follow. There's a new story seemingly every day, a new development that, you know, requires putting into context that voters may not be following.

But here's where I think this latest development actually matters.  This is cut and dried. I mean, you've got a Platte River employee saying, in effect, We had a directive to cover this up. We had a directive not to report, not to back up the e-mails as frequently, not to do an exhaustive e-mails. (sic)

If that's true, if that person is representing accurately what happened, that is a cover-up. We don't know who the order came from. We don't know that it has any direct connection to Hillary Clinton.


HAYES: But people can understand...

INGRAHAM: Well, yes...

HAYES: ... that much, and that's deeply troubling...

HANNITY: All right...

HAYES: ... I think even to Democratic...


HAYES: ... Democratic voters.

HANNITY: All right, we're going to get right back into that. Guys, thank you. Great insight from both of you.

But when we come back, speaking of this, you know, you hear about cyber-forensics. Two cyber-security experts will weigh in on the information about Hillary Clinton's server and what it might mean for her future.

And then later tonight...


DR. BEN CARSON, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: They're never going to accept me because I don't believe in political correctness. So I can twist myself into pretzels trying to fit into their silly little box, or I can be who I am.


HANNITY: Vicious attacks against Dr. Benjamin Carson because he refuses to give politically correct answers. He responds to all of those attacks later in studio tonight. That and much more on this busy news night, including a "Hannity" investigation.



HANNITY: Welcome back the "Hannity." Fox News has confirmed that the FBI is investigating a second IT company that has ties to Hillary Clinton's e-mail server. Now, this likely increases the possibility of recovering the tens of thousands of e-mails that Clinton deleted and wiped clean from her server.

Joining us now with reaction, cyber-security analyst and senior fellow at the Center for Digital Government -- Morgan Wright is with us, and cyber-security co-chair at Pillsbury (ph), Winthrop, Shaw, Pittman, Brian Finch.

All right, Morgan, let me start with you.


HANNITY: If somebody is going to delete 30,000-some-odd, maybe 33,000 e-mails and wipe their server clean, like not with a cloth, don't you think that they were pretty confident that they were gone forever? Isn't that the assumption at that moment?

WRIGHT: And that's the belief somebody had, is that somebody told them, Hey, it's been deleted, and the person who told them this didn't have a clear understanding of where the e-mail had been stored or where it had been managed and what it really means to delete something off of these servers.

So whoever gave that advice to the Clinton camp and stuff didn't serve them very well because I tell you right now, Sean, based on the FBI, based on between these two servers now, we're going to be able to piece these things together back like a mosaic. We'll be able to fill in all the missing pieces and have probably one of the most complete pictures.

HANNITY: What are the odds that they get 100 percent of those e-mails that were deleted and wiped off the server, in your opinion?

WRIGHT: Well, we're into -- I think we're over the 90 percent range right now. I mean, I think we're to the point of where there are between 90 and 95 percent probably have a complete picture.


WRIGHT: You know, it's just a guess. But I mean, you put this all together and I think that's what we're going to have at the end of the day.

HANNITY: Brian, you agree with that assessment?

BRIAN FINCH, CYBER-SECURITY ANALYST: I do. I do. I think when you're talking about multiple servers that were keeping the same e-mails and the same types of information -- granted, they're both tried to be deleted at certain points, but you are looking at a very high level of confidence that you'll be able to piece most of it together. And at the very least, you'll be able to compare and contrast and find some Nixonian- like gaps in the tapes.

HANNITY: All right, so the -- the -- you have this one employee at this mom and pop shop, Platte River Networks in Colorado, and an employee that -- remember, they're the ID company that was hired to do this here, and they were instructed to reduce how much data was being stored to the backup. And one of the employees writes a memo because they had already been subpoenaed and requested by the State Department and a congressional committee, and he says, Is she trying to cover up? There's some shady stuff going on here.

Doesn't that seem like obstruction to you, Morgan?

WRIGHT: You know, Sean, when I used to teach computer crime investigation, actually spent a year teaching the FBI, you look at intent.  One of the things you try and help deliver to the prosecutors, guys like Brian, is you want to help them deliver the necessary elements for intent.

When you have deliberate actions in contravention of either a legal order, a preservation letter, things like that, then you can start inferring some kind of intent from those actions when somebody deliberately deletes things -- especially -- and now we'll know when. Now we'll have a period in time, a date and time certain that certain activities happened that'll feed a criminal case.

HANNITY: And Brian, have you seen this report? Remember, she gave us a definitive understanding of what those deleted e-mails were about. They were about yoga, a wedding, a funeral and conversations with a man who doesn't e-mail, her husband.

So if it turns out that they're about Benghazi and they're about the Clinton Foundation and they have classified information, that would sound to me like a cover-up. Thoughts?

FINCH: Yes. I think that there -- it's going to be a situation where you're going to find a lot of really interesting and at the very least embarrassing situations, and a lot more questions, as usual, coming up when you're dealing with Secretary Clinton, a lot more questions than answers.

You're probably going to see a lot of issues coming up particularly involving her employees in multiple jobs, questions relating to...


FINCH: ... possible conflict of interest...

HANNITY: All right...

FINCH: ... with the Clinton Foundation, et cetera.

HANNITY: Guys, great analysis. If I'm team Clinton, I think I'd get that criminal defense attorney that some of her friends are advising her to get. Thank you for being with us.

When we come back, the mainstream media lashing out in a vicious way against Dr. Benjamin Carson. He refuses to give politically correct answers. He'll join us coming up and respond to those attacks.

Then later, an exclusive -- "Hannity" exclusive special investigation with a former Army official who says key intelligence about terror groups in Iraq were ignored by U.S. Central Command. Did that put our troops' lives in danger?

And in the wake of the horrific shooting in Oregon, President Obama plans to visit that state on Friday. Well, there were 315 shootings in his hometown of Chicago. When is he going there? We'll talk about the double standard.



CARSON: I think people know exactly what I'm saying, and they know exactly what the media is trying to do. And I think they're smarter than that. They're not going to be manipulated.

So I'm not going to change and become, you know -- you know, a vanilla envelope that they can accept. They're never going to accept me because I don't believe in political correctness. I can twist myself into pretzels trying to fit into their silly little box, or I can be who I am.


HANNITY: All right, that was GOP presidential candidate Dr. Benjamin Carson earlier today, speaking out against the mainstream media, their latest attempts to shut him down. But firing back at the PC police is nothing new for Dr. Carson.

Remember back in 2013 at the National Prayer Breakfast, Dr. Carson voiced his distaste in being too politically correct and even criticized President Obama's lackluster policies right to his face. Watch this.


CARSON: I have discovered, however, in recent years that it's very difficult to speak to a large group of people these days and not offend someone.


CARSON: And people walk around with their feelings on their shoulders, waiting for you to say something. Oh! Did you hear that? And they can't hear anything else you say. The PC police are out in force at all times.

But PC is dangerous because, you see, this country, one of the founding principles was freedom of thought and freedom of expression. And it muffles people. It puts a muzzle on them and at the same time keeps people from discussing important issues while the fabric of this society is being changed.


HANNITY: Here to react to all of this, the author of the brand-new book -- by the way, top seller now on Amazon.com -- "A More Perfect Union: What We the People Can Do to Reclaim Our Constitutional Liberties," 2016 presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson.

All right, so you leave this show the other night. You went on "The View." Then you -- so you were attacked by them. You're attacked -- I think one of the most awful, horrible, vicious, racial attacks against any candidate that I've ever heard! Nobody in the media says a word. I would not even repeat it!

What has happened since you left?

CARSON: Well, you know, they've tried to paint me as somebody who is insensitive because, you know, they didn't ask -- they didn't show the whole question. I was asked a question, What would you do if you were in Oregon and they were pointing a gun at you, asking you about your faith?


CARSON: And I said what I would do.

HANNITY: You would go after them.

CARSON: Right. Now, you know, they didn't ask -- they didn't include the question. They just, you know, added the answer to try to make it seem like I was insensitive and that I was critical...

HANNITY: They tried to make it seem like critical of the people that are victims. Listen, I'm -- I've been training for years now in martial arts. That's my answer! You know what? I understand that other people -- you don't know how you're going to necessarily react in a situation, but I train for that moment.

CARSON: Exactly.

HANNITY: You know? And I know your background and your experience.  You're pretty prepared, as well.

CARSON: And also, if we plant the seed in people's minds -- because this won't be the last time this occurs.


CARSON: And if, you know, there are 10 or 12 people lined up and someone's coming along and is pointing a gun at them, saying, What are you -- and the rest of them say, You know what? We're not waiting for this.


CARSON: You know?

HANNITY: And they're shooting one at a time, making them stand up, Are you a Christian or not? Then you got into the issue of abortion, and the women on "The View" trying to tell you you should applaud Planned Parenthood?


HANNITY: Did they watch those videotapes?

CARSON: Well, obviously, they didn't. And you know, what I'm talking about is a culture of life. And that's what I've spent my life trying to do, provide life.

And you know, we are in a situation right now -- and I think the American people are starting to see through this, and I'm incredibly gratified that they are, where we have, you know, the wagons being circled because they feel that they're under attack, the secular progressive movement. And they don't like the fact that the people are actually starting to say, Wait a minute, this is America...


CARSON: ... and we have our set of values and we're willing to stand up for them. And when people like me represent that kind of voice, boy, are they getting concerned!

HANNITY: One of the worst, most vicious, racist attacks was made by this woman. When I first saw it, I was really angry. And then I started thinking about this. My anger's justified. If anybody ever said that about Barack Obama, don't you think there would be widespread coverage of that and that there would be condemnation from all corners of people that judge people by the content of their character?

CARSON: Of course.

HANNITY: And there's been utter silence. Is there a double standard?

CARSON: There's an incredible double standard. And -- but again, I'm encouraged by the fact that there are a lot of good people out there who actually are seeing what's going on. And you know, the more they come along with these silly stories, you know, they expect this. They said (ph) that's what they're going to do. And of course, they will continue...

HANNITY: You really -- it rolls off you like water off a duck's back.

CARSON: Every day, every week, you know, they're just digging every place they can. We've got to find something on this guy!

HANNITY: Let me -- let me ask you one last thing -- and you know what? You just -- you just said an important point. If your poll numbers weren't high...


HANNITY: ... you wouldn't be attacked the way you're being attacked.  I noticed The National Enquirer went after you.

I want to ask you some questions.


HANNITY: A lot of my family has been in medicine, brother-in-law that's a doctor, my godchild's a doctor, my three sisters were nurses.  There's a lot of medical talk. I was the disappointment. I became a talk show host. And so I know a lot about medicine.

You performed how many surgeries over the course of how many years?

CARSON: Well, 15,000 operations over 36 years.

HANNITY: And how many more -- thousands more that you probably were brought in to consult on?

CARSON: Correct.

HANNITY: And of the surgeries you did, you were the top in your field, one of the tops in your field. You did the most difficulty surgeries many times, right?

CARSON: Very complex surgeries.

HANNITY: Very complex surgeries. And of all of those surgeries -- I noticed The National Enquirer pointed out that you, like every other doctor, had malpractice cases brought against you. I think they found a total of six, six out of, you know, tens and tens of thousands consulting and operations. That to me is a miracle.

CARSON: It is...

HANNITY: To be honest.

CARSON: It is pretty astonishing. and some of those cases never went anywhere.


CARSON: And one of the cases, the lead case in that article, you know, they've been threatening for years. They say, Somehow, you guys have got to pay us money, or we're going to the media and we're going to ruin your career. You know, what a bunch of crap! I don't bother with that stuff.

HANNITY: Yes. When you consider the absolute degree of skill and the level of difficulty -- we're talking about the hardest, most complicated types of surgery.

CARSON: Right.

HANNITY: And when you do 15,000 and consult on thousands of more -- and how many lives do you think you probably saved over the course of your career?

CARSON: Many, many thousands, yes.

HANNITY: Maybe The National Enquirer can go out and interview the people whose lives you've saved.

CARSON: No, they wouldn't be interested in that.

HANNITY: No, no interest in that.


HANNITY: All right, Dr. Carson, congratulations. Your book is at the top of Amazon, I notice. Congratulations.

CARSON: Thank you very much.

HANNITY: Coming up, an exclusive "Hannity" investigation with an Army whistleblower who says very key pieces of intelligence about terror groups in Iraq were ignored by U.S. Central Command. Did that put our troops in jeopardy?

Plus, a shocking investigation from the AP reveals that smugglers busted for trying to sell nuclear material to ISIS.

And then later, in the wake of the horrific shooting in Oregon, President Obama -- he's going there on Friday. Why did he ignore his own home town of Chicago? Straight ahead.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Tonight a retired army official breaks his silence about U.S. Central Command allegedly ignoring key intelligence in Iraq that showed the rise of terror groups like ISIS following the death of bin Laden. Now, in just a minute we'll have an exclusive interview with that army official who claims that he was forced out of his position for daring to speak up.

But first, Adam Housely is the reporter who broke the story. He is standing by with more on this developing scandal. Adam?

ADAM HOUSLEY, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Sean. It's a story we've been working on for close to a year, but really goes back further than that. You covered some of the stories like what happened in Benghazi or the attack in Cairo. We've been told consistently over the last few years by a number of intelligence agents both in Washington, Florida, and for that matter on the ground in these regions that their intelligence they've gathered has not moved up the chain or has been changed once it went up the chain.

So we met Sergeant Kotel and it basically gibed with everything we had found, where his stuff had been significantly ignored or changed to put in other context. For example, maybe an attack was taken out of a report and an environmental concern was put in, or a local economic issue on the ground in Iraq, for example. These are things that, again, the guys on the ground have said they are frustrated by and concerned about.

We have heard it more recently, of course, with the 50 or so spies that came out in response to ISIS. One quick note. I talked to a senior official who was once very close and very high up with the Cent Com folks.  He says generally speaking guys like Sergeant Kotel and that level, they gather that information. Then it goes up to the defense level which can be watered down there. And then it goes to the national level. And that's where a lot of these folks believed it was changed. At that point, of course, it goes to the president. He says he's seen great assessment completely misrepresented. Sean?

HANNITY: All right, Adam, great reporting.

Joining us now in a "Hannity" exclusive is the army official who has been blowing the whistle on this story, retired sergeant William Kotel, and his attorney during his court martial Lou Puleo is with us. Sergeant, let me just start with you.  So after the killing of bin Laden, they ignored and altered intelligence?  Explain.

SGT. WILLIAM KOTEL, U.S. CENTRAL COMMAND WHISTLEBLOWER: They left key information out of intelligence assessments such as attacks. The idea was that ISIS, or, excuse me, Al Qaeda was decimated so therefore it wasn't part of the threat analysis that should be submitted higher.

HANNITY: And that puts every serviceman and woman's life at risk, doesn't it, if they don't have that information?

KOTEL: Well, it's critical information and it's very important for safety and security, yes.

HANNITY: Now, since that happened, we've now seen the fall of Fallujah and Tikrit and Mosul and Ramadi. Do you think that's the cause or a contributing to or contributing factor?

KOTEL: Well, I think it would be part of a contributing factor. The issues that the chain of command and higher don't see a clear picture if we leave intelligence out, especially about the attacks and any kind of Sunni radicals or Al Qaeda issues that are left out when they're attacking.

HANNITY: Counselor Puleo, I understand that you've been, what, a marine corps, you're a marine, 27 years military justice experience. You ever seen anything like this?

LOU PULEO, KOTEL'S ATTORNEY DURING COURT MARTIAL: Sean, no.  Actually, this was pretty unprecedented what they did to Sergeant Kotel after he tried to bring to their attention the intelligence that was left out. It was clearly punitive, and clearly they tried to ostracize him by setting him up and punishing him in the end.

HANNITY: And by the way, he was using all the proper channels. He wasn't trying to disobey authority or go behind their back or go to the media. None of that happened, right?

PULEO: Right, Sean. He was trying to do the right thing in the right way, and that was use the chain of command and go through the chain of command to express his concerns. And for -- since 2010 he's been trying to do this and trying to get traction for what he thought was a manipulation of the intelligence. And when he didn't get any traction, he finally decided that some other agency had to know what he knew, and that's when the command took their retribution against him and took actions to punish him.

HANNITY: I appreciate what you have done. I think you did it to save people's lives and put our nation in a better defense posture or position.  Thank you both for telling us your story. We appreciate it.

KOTEL: Thank you, Sean.

HANNITY: Also an investigation by the AP reveals that international smugglers include some with Russian ties have tried to sell nuclear material to groups including ISIS. Here tonight with more on the shocking report Benjamin Hall. Benjamin, thank you for being with us. What's the latest?

BENJAMIN HALL, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Sean, well, a newly disclosed sting operation by the FBI and the Moldovan police has uncovered a radioactive material smuggling ring in eastern Europe. This network is alleged to have included several ex-KGB agents and it offered a huge amount of deadly cesium 137 to someone they believed represented ISIS for the fifth time in four years. One of the members was recorded as saying that it was essential that smuggled uranium go to Arabs because they would be the most interested in buying the radioactive bomb and that the American state must be annihilated.

   Police in the impoverished eastern European country arranged 20 meetings before finally purchasing a quantity of test vials for $320,000.  If the buyer liked what he got, he could then buy a kilo a week at the cost of $32 million a time until he had as much as he needed.        

Uranium and plutonium were also offered for sale as well as blueprints or warheads and even an old Russian missile system. The gang told the undercover agent that they got access to this equipment in Crimea, which President Putin annexed last month.         

It's long been said that the black market for such materials exists because of the sheer scale of Soviet stockpiles in the region. And now that the situation between the U.S. and Russia is deteriorating, it's uncertain that we can ever work with them on this issue. Sean?

HANNITY: Very shocking. Thank you for that report.

Here with reaction, the author of "Warrior Diplomat," retired Special Forces officer Michael Waltz and foreign and domestic officer Brigadier General Tony Tata. General Tata, there's a book out by a German author, "Ten Days with ISIS," in which he reports that the west is clueless in terms of underestimating the determination of ISIS to destroy the west and get hold of nuclear weapons. Why are we not paying attention to this?

BRIGADIER GENERAL TONY TATA, U.S. ARMY (RETIRED): Well, Sean, I think you and I have talked about this many times on your show. And the bottom line is this timeline that we put out there, withdrawing from Afghanistan, withdrawing from Iraq, and what it entails is the dismantling of our intelligence and communications network importantly. And so the more we pull that back the less we know. And so it sort of references the earlier part of the segment as well.

And so right now, having operated in the Balkans and Iraq and Afghanistan, we know that this is the nightmare scenario. We know that people want to get their hands on a dirty bomb if not a nuclear weapon to bring it to America and do us great harm. And so part of the whole purpose of being in the Middle East is having that infrastructure available so that we can collect intelligence and then we can work with our allies throughout eastern Europe, throughout the Middle East to work in an interagency way to find these terrorists before they're able to transfer the goods. And the real question is, you know, the Russians, are they fighting through proxy now in the black market as they did 30 years ago in the cold war era?  That's the real question.

HANNITY: Michael Waltz, your thoughts?

LT. COL. MICHAEL WALTZ, (RET) "WARRIOR DIPLOMAT" AUTHOR: Just to add to that, let's take the case of Al Qaeda. Five, six years ago the senior leadership in Pakistan were getting hit every night by drone strikes. They had special operators kicking in their bedroom door. And we had soft power initiatives undermining support from the tribes. If these leaders are more worried about where they're going to sleep at night, then they don't have time to go out shopping for nuclear weapons.

The leadership of ISIS right now, frankly, is just not afraid. They don't have that same level of fear. And we pulled -- again, as the general was saying, we pulled all those assets out. And I think it should send a message loud and clear hopefully to this administration that we can't turn our back, but even to some of the Republican candidates who are saying we can just afford to just ignore the situation and let them fight it out.  It's truly a catastrophic danger to the United States and we have to address it.

HANNITY: Thank you both for this special report. We appreciate it.

So why does President Obama ignore the spike of violence in his hometown of Chicago but schedule time to go to Oregon? We'll debate that controversy and more coming up next.  


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So according to reports on Friday, President Obama plans to travel to Roseburg, Oregon, to meet with victims and their families of last week's mass shooting, most likely with the hope of gaining support for his gun control push. But why isn't the president planning a trip to Chicago to discuss the spike in violence happening in his own hometown? Now according to "The Chicago Tribune," in September there were 351 shootings in his home town. There's a sharp increase from the number recorded in the same month last year.

The irony of President Obama's hypocrisy is hard to miss. And even "The Washington Post" published this cartoon mocking the president's ability to ignore inner city violence. The cartoon depicts Obama saying "It's time to start politicizing gun control in Oregon" while the tombstones behind him say "Chicago Murder."         

With us now for reaction is CRN-KRLA radio host Larry Elder, trial attorney Eric Guster, Fox News contributor Stacey Dash. We now have a comment by the Black Lives Matter leader warning there's going to be bullets if we don't change the constitution. Why doesn't he talk about that? Why doesn't he talk about Chicago violence, Eric?         

ERIC GUSTER, TRIAL ATTORNEY: I don't know why he doesn't talk about it consistently. He has talked about it a few times.

HANNITY: Has he ever gone out on the podium and said the violence in my hometown is out of control.

GUSTER: But by going to Oregon, he's the national leader. He has to go. He shouldn't politicize it by talking about gun control. If he does I'm going to come out and speak to it.

HANNITY: That's what he's going to talk about.

GUSTER: Well, we're not sure.


GUSTER: He may only discuss the tragedy that's happened. He is a leader. He needs to go and talk to those families.        

HANNITY: Larry Elder, I see a lot of hypocrisy here, 351 in September alone. That's an insane number.

LARRY ELDER, RADIO HOST: Tell me about it, Sean. The odds of being killed in a school shooting are similar to the odds of being killed by a bolt of lightning. There were 13 people that were shot in Chicago over a 15 hour period of time just last weekend, six of whom. Where is Obama?  And in Detroit, it's even worse. Camden per capita is even worse. I thought black lives mattered.

HANNITY: The latest example is you have this guy, Blake Simmons, U.C. Berkeley student, saying we must have a new constitution or the bullet comes in exchange.

ELDER: And the Democratic Party adopted a resolution called "Black Lives Matter." Now, 6,000 blacks were killed by other blacks last year.  Most by theme by their peers in the inner city, a lot of it gang related.  If Obama has been speaking out about this on a consistent basis, I haven't heard it.

HANNITY: Stacey?

STACEY DASH, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Yes. He hasn't. He hasn't been speaking about this on a consistent basis. And it's because it's not fitting his. His agenda is with the liberal elite. They want guns gone.  They want to get rid of our Second Amendment rights, which is not going to happen.

HANNITY: That's a great point, because Katie Pavlich had an article today. He keeps comparing our gun laws to Great Britain and Australia. In both cases, in 96 the Australian government confiscated hundreds of thousands of personally owned fire arms. And in 1997 British citizens, they were forced to turn over handguns for destruction. So every time he says Australia, every time he says Great Britain, isn't he saying.

DASH: But in Australia, crime went up when that happened.

HANNITY: Just like in inner cities. Those with the toughest gun laws have the highest crime rates.

GUSTER: And I do agree with the point that taking our guns is the most ridiculous, asinine thing on earth. But he should not politicize this.      

HANNITY: He already has.

GUSTER: And I know. He may go and talk to those families and console those families like any leader should, but if he politicizes it even more with being there, that's going to be a bad move for President Obama.

HANNITY: Last word, Larry Elder.

ELDER: You know, Sean, he keeps talking about common sense measures, but he's never very specific about it. What common sense measure would have stopped this Oregon killer? Universal background check? Oregon and California, they got that.  Close the gun show loophole? They've got that. Restrictions on so called assault style weapons? They've got that.  Which specific law that does not violate the Bill or Rights does Obama propose that would have stopped this?

HANNITY: It sounds to me he wants what Australia has and Great Britain has, that would be confiscation. But thank you all for being with us.

Coming up next, Ask Sean. Coming up next, we'll play one of your videos. We'll answer your questions. Also, our "Question of the Day," straight ahead.          


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Time for tonight's "Question of the Day." Do you think the president should address the violence in inner cities like his hometown of Chicago instead of going to Oregon? Just go to Facebook.com/SeanHannity, @SeanHannity on Twitter, let us know what you think.

It's now time for our "Ask Sean" segment. And you have been sending in questions on Facebook and Twitter that you like to ask me and have me answer. Here is tonight's question.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, Sean. I'd like to know what you think the GOP strategy should be for attracting young voters such as myself to vote Republican in the 2016 election.


HANNITY: Great question. First, we have to stop robbing your generation. We have $20 trillion in debt, $120 trillion in unfunded liabilities. I would like to leave America in better shape than we found it. And that means we would be energy independent. We would secure the border. We would defeat ISIS and evil in our time so maybe your generation won't have to battle them as well. It's simple. I'd give school choice so you can raise your kids in better schools, simple things but profound things that will make the country and the world a better place. Great question.

Now, if you have a question for me just go to Twitter and use the #AskSean. And even better, send in a video. We might put you on TV and you can be a big TV star.

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