Putin asked if Obama's foreign policy reflects 'weakness'

Obama, Putin clash over vision for combating crisis in Syria


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 28, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Geraldo Rivera, Dana Perino and Tom Shillue. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

This is a Fox News alert. Any moment, President Obama is supposed to sit down with Russian President Vladimir Putin for their first face to face meeting in nearly a year, and we're gonna tape of that, shortly. This is Putin's first trip to America since his country seized control of Crimean in Ukraine. Both he and Obama delivered speeches today before the U.N. General Assembly, offering sharply different views on resolving the crisis in Syria. Putin did an interview that aired yesterday on 60 Minutes, he was asked for his thoughts on Obama's leadership, but he didn't take the bait.


CHARLIE ROSE, CBS NEWS: What do you think of President Obama? What's your evaluation of him?

VLADIMIR PUTIN, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I don't think I'm entitled to give any views regarding the president. That's up to the American people.

ROSE: Do you think his activities in foreign affairs reflect a weakness?

PUTIN (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I don't think so at all.


BOLLING: And the White House, however, is pointing out Russia's leadership weaknesses.


JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Russia, for years, has treated Syria as essentially a client state. The reaction that we're seeing from the Russians now is actually responding from weakness. They're concerned about the investment there. They're concerned about losing influence in this government.


BOLLING: All right, Dana, during that shot, we.


BOLLING: Were talking a little bit about it, but Vladimir Putin made his case, he stated his case, didn't he?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: From an interview standpoint, I thought that Vladimir Putin, for his own interests, had a very good interview with 60 Minutes. I thought he was calm. He answered the questions. He deflected when he needed to. He said, "That's for the American people to decide. I'm not going to comment on your president." And then he would do a little sharp elbow to President Obama. So I thought he had a good interview for himself.

I think what Josh Earnest said this morning, yes, there is weakness and I think there is what Putin needs to do is shore up some support back home. One of the ways he can do that is by saying, look, I am making Russia more respected in the world because I'm the only one that's coming up with a solution to deal with ISIS. And therefore, I'm going to the United Nations, I haven't been there in a decade. I'm going to give a speech and I'm showing that Russia is the one that everyone is looking to, to solve a problem that for four years, the Americans couldn't solve.

BOLLING: K.G., Vladimir Putin kind of took credit for the pushback of ISIS that we've seen recently. You kind of believe them. Now, I -- although I would tell you, in my opinion, I think Charlie Rose gave him a soft interview.

GUILFOYLE: Well, listen. It doesn't matter what kind of interview Charlie Rose intended to give him because Putin known the day. He was commanding. He showed that he was a fearless leader. He was in control of the subject matter, the conversation and the flow. He was very well prepared and he was on point, so I agree with Dana. From a communications standpoint, he delivered the day for Russia. What you saw is somebody who is saying, I will step into the leadership vacuum that has been created, made essentially that the United States, you know has made and try to ride the ship in the Middle East.

BOLLING: Is that a fair assessment? Do you like the assessment? Do you like that ship -- that Vladimir Putin, basically explain what will -- why he was helping out Syria? Why he was helping out Bashar al-Assad. He took credit for life of the ISIS gains that have been made. Are you OK with that?

GERALDO RIVERA, CO-HOST: Let me start with the president's speech -- President Obama's speech, if I may, Eric. I think that the president made a beautiful speech, a gorgeous speech, an elegant speech, and if it were.


RIVERA: His acceptance speech for the Nobel Peace prize, it would have been terrific.


RIVERA: But it was absolutely shorn of specifics, it avoided what to do about Syria. He reluctantly held his nose and said we'll cooperate with Iran and Russia. Where it comes to Syria, I thought Putin absolutely owned the day. He gave specifics. He identified the mutual enemy, whose side the free world, so the civilized world is on. ISIS is the enemy, let's get together. You have your differences, of course, with the governor of Bashar Assad, but it was Putin all the way.


RIVERA: He has -- we teamed up with the Soviet Union to defeat the Nazis, we can team up with Russia to defeat ISIS.

BOLLING: And Tom, Putin took him aside. He said, "We're going to after ISIS, we're gonna side with the Syrians." Now, granted its one of their customers, I get that, but he took aside. A lot of people would say, "Obama hasn't taking a side. Can't figure out what side we're on."

TOM SHILLUE, GUEST CO-HOST: Well, that's why he has the advantage when he is doing interviews and he has the advantage over Obama because he clears on what he wants to do in the world. He always knows what he wants. He wants to be, you know, he wants to be a power player, and he wants to make deals with Syria, and you know he wants to be a thorn in the side of America. What do we want from Russia? We don't even know. So of course, he has the advantage over Obama.

BOLLING: All right, we're going to leave it right there, but leadership, you can see the two different styles as we point out.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. He took the goal home and now he's going to take the oil loss.

BOLLING: We found one lately -- anyway, we'll move on to this topic. Also, big news from Capitol Hill, House Speaker John Boehner is acting, he's out -- I'm sorry, he's out, announcing Friday, he'll be leaving Congress next month. Now yesterday on the Face of the Nation, he said he's proud of his record and took a shot at some of his party's hard-liners.


JOHN BOEHNER, SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: Our founders didn't want some parliamentary system, where if you wanted a majority, you got to do whatever you wanted. They wanted this long, slow process. And so change comes slowly, now obviously, too slowly for some. You know the bible says beware of false prophets. And there are people out there, you know, spreading noise about how much can get done.


BOLLING: All right, we gonna back to you again.


BOLLING: And your thoughts on -- first of all, John Boehner announcing on Friday, very quickly, "I'm done" and then the way he portrays this, so there's a reason for leaving.

PERINO: So I went to -- my first job in Washington, D.C. was on Capitol Hill in 1995 and I follow there. John Boehner was one of the first members that I met. I made friends with all of his staff in Boehner world. My niece, later on, worked in the cloak room for him. I've stayed in touch with him. I -- then got to watch him as the speaker and the majority leader rebuff 17 times, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid's attempts to defund the troops in a war in those last two years when they had the majority. And I'm an unabashed fan and I'm very - I have a lot of admiration for John Boehner and what he has done over the course of his career as a public servant. I think that you can have those feelings and also believe that, OK, maybe it's time for some change. What he was saying there about false prophets, I think it's just that -- math is math. And if somebody can show me another way to do math, and if there's a new era that's coming in that's going to do math better and differently, then knock yourselves out.

BOLLING: And you're pointing out, the group of the GOP representatives that won't vote with him no matter what. Is that what you're saying?

PERINO: Well, no. I'm just -- they think that there's a better way...

RIVERA: To find the truth, though.

PERINO: They think that he could have done better. Now he.

BOLLING: Well, you're talking -- I know.

RIVERA: TO find the truth.

BOLLING: You're talking about the Tea Party or the.

PERINO: You found the hard-liner.

BOLLING: Or the hard-liners or the more -- the people who feel.

PERINO: Yeah. And maybe they have a better way.


RIVERA: Those who advocates this function.

BOLLING: Well -- OK, but here's the.

RIVERA: And confrontation and not government.

BOLLING: For those who advocates, standing up for what they were elected for. Remember, they were put into those seats because they said they were.

RIVERA: To make Congress.

BOLLING: Going to vote against certain things no matter what. And I would think that's what they're -- that's what they're doing.

RIVERA: John Boehner left because the Republican Party is dysfunctional. The Republican Party has shattered itself. It is a -- the real civil war in this country is within the GOP. He could get nothing done as speaker. Dana kindly says it's about arithmetic. The fact of the matter is the republicans in the -- republicans, the hard-liners and the House of Representatives can vote to do anything they want and it will not become law because there are enough democrats to stop it and there is the Senate and there's the president.

BOLLING: But also, let's not.

RIVERA: They could do absolutely nothing.

BOLLING: Let's not lose sight of the fact.

RIVERA: They want to fight. They want to shutdown the government.

BOLLING: Let's not fight -- lose sight of the fact that that's what they said they would do. They would fight.

RIVERA: Shutdown the government?

BOLLING: They would do -- they would not vote for things that they didn't think that where prudently.

RIVERA: Why don't we vote.

BOLLING: Acceptable.

RIVERA: And defund Obamacare for the 97th time.

BOLLING: We'll see. Here's part of the problem. Kimberly, let me throw this to you. Here's part of the problem, John Boehner could have brought that vote to us (ph). We're all talking about the Planned Parenthood, funding the government, continue resolution that they were -- that he wanted to -- that the hard-liners wanted to have the Planned Parenthood funding pulled out of that bill and he knew he couldn't get it the vote, so he didn't put it on the House floor, and that is perceive as weak.

GUILFOYLE: OK, so he should have done it anyway, even though he didn't -- he knows he didn't have the votes, right? I mean.

BOLLING: Well, he -- yes, yes.

GUILFOYLE: So take the three-point shot and just -- no matter what.

BOLLING: Were you -- are you suggesting that.

RIVERA: It's nothing with a three-point shot. It's an impossible shot.

BOLLING: Well, it is shot.

GUILFOYLE: Well, the point is.

RIVERA: It's a three point shot when you need four points.

GUILFOYLE: That's the most you can get, though, in one shot.

BOLLING: Or you could.


RIVERA: Four is enough.

BOLLING: Here's an alternative, and Dana, correct me if I'm wrong. You could get a clean resolution through. You got to keep the government open, you got to pull the funding of the Planned Parenthood out, and let President Obama veto that bill and then it's on him.

GUILFOYLE: OK, that's one strategy point.

BOLLING: No, no, but that's what he can could.

GUILFOYLE: But the point is the problem is bigger than, you know, Boehner.

BOLLING: A strong.

GUILFOYLE: If he's gonna blame Boehner for everything? Let's see what happens.

BOLLING: A strong speaker could have gone that through.

GUILFOYLE: All right, see if McCarthy gets in those. Let's see what is gonna happen then.

RIVERA: Same thing.

GUILFOYLE: That's my point.

SHILLUE: An interesting article in the e-mails this morning, there was comparing the republicans and Congress to the French revolution and they said, "Whose head is next?" right? But the thing that wasn't mentioned in that article was President Obama. The reason you have, what you call extremists on the right is that they look at what President Obama is doing. He is scorched earth. He does not believe in compromise at all.

PERINO: Right.

SHILLUE: So the other side says, "If Obama is not going to compromise."


SHILLUE: Even though he ran as the uniter (ph), he never was. And they said, so we don't agree with people trying to compromise with someone who is unwilling.

BOLLING: All right, we gonna move on to this one. I think Hillary Clinton.

RIVERA: So you shut down the government.

BOLLING: The democrat -- no, you let President Obama shut down the government, Geraldo. That's the way you do it.


BOLLING: The democratic presidential hopeful faced more questions about her private e-mail scandal on Meet the Press this weekend and dismissed it as another conspiracy theory by her critics.


HILLARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: During the '90s I was subjected to the same kind of barrage, and it was -- it seemed to be at the time, endless. And then when I ran for the Senate, people said, "Hey, we're more concern about what you gonna do for us" And I trust the voters to make that decision this time around too.


BOLLING: And the Hillary machine is trying to get the media to change the subject. Look at this. Senior Spokeswoman Karen Finney tweeted, "The question on Meet the Press have been asked and answered, time to move on." The campaign and a pro Clinton Super PAC seemed to have coordinated their talking points. Brad Woodhouse of Correct The Record tweeted the same exact thing, exactly, word for word. That is a potential violation of federal law -- federal election law. So the media has their marching orders from the Clinton camp. Are they going to get in line, K. G.? Is it over?

GUILFOYLE: You know, every time I think it's over, you know it's like the seventh inning stretch. We've got a couple more innings to go. I mean, anything is possible, but this should be making of -- this should be enough, it should be sufficient. You don't think so?


BOLLING: I don't think it's over. I'll look -- I'll be the first to tell you, I think she did a great interview on Meet the Press. She did it fantastic, she had the right demeanor, she wasn't condescending, she wasn't making jokes about her e-mails, she was answering questions, but Geraldo, we have probably 60 or 70 percent of the e-mails that we can still read. We haven't seen them yet.

RIVERA: I bet you a month ago that this was gonna be a big nothing, this e- mail scandal is a big nothing, a month later. It's going to be a big nothing a month from now. Benghazi has already the longest hearing in the history of United States Congress. It is just again, another distraction by the extremists on the GOP. This.

BOLLING: Big nothing.

RIVERA: Why don't they concentrate.


RIVERA: They've blew up.

GUILFOYLE: No, no, no.

RIVERA: Obama and Clinton.

BOLLING: Big nothing.

RIVERA: Blew the Middle East.

BOLLING: Big nothing.

GUILFOYLE: The reason why the hearing is taking so long is that we've holding evidence.

RIVERA: The reason we have Libya.

GUILFOYLE: My goodness.

RIVERA: Is because of the Obama administration. The reason we have Syria is the Obama administration. Why can't we come straight on substance rather than this.

BOLLING: Well, here's part of the problem.

RIVERA: Little nothing.

BOLLING: The e-mails.

RIVERA: Scandallette.

BOLLING: The e-mails that are.

RIVERA: That is scandallette.

GUILFOYLE: And she's part of that administration.

BOLLING: The e-mails that are being released right now are starting to -- the period going forward that they are starting to.

RIVERA: What did they say? What are the things to say?

BOLLING: The Benghazi.

RIVERA: Tell me one thing that.

BOLLING: The four dead Americans of Benghazi.

RIVERA: Give me one thing it's gonna say, I killed the four Americans myself?

BOLLING: I don't know.

RIVERA: What it's going to say?

BOLLING: Do you know what -- it was not gonna say.

RIVERA: Well, it -- what I -- what is gonna say is that whatever they were talking about, they talked about in an ineffective way, but that's the essence is, what is the Middle East now?

BOLLING: I don't -- I would.

RIVERA: What is the Middle East seven years ago? Is it better now than it was seven years ago? If not, blame them.

BOLLING: OK. Dana, this is a woman who wants to be president of the United States.

PERINO: Right.

BOLLING: And I would like to see what she had to say then.

PERINO: So - well, I think it's -- besides, just even the substance, it's the fact that today, the Washington Post fact checker comes out with Hillary getting three Pinocchio's because she can't even keep her timeline straight. One of the rules of prices communications, know your timeline, no one better than anybody else, it can change. It changes every other day. One of the things that just happened is she said, "I only used an e-mail address from March of 2008 -- or 2009 on." Well then, it turns out that in one of these e-mails, there is an exchange between her and General David Petraeus, then -- the director of the CIA. So, she obviously was using that same server before. So the timeline changes, it goes to questions of judgment. I also think that this idea that her staffer could work as a government employee, getting a sweetheart deal to get separate employment.


PERINO: Through Teneo which is connected to her husband's firm and the Clinton Global Initiative -- that is so dirty.


GUILFOYLE: Unseemly.

BOLLING: And I am sure, e-mails as well, quick thought on this one before we move on.

SHILLUE: Geraldo, did you called a term scandallette?

RIVERA: Scandallette.

SHILLUE: That is very -- that might be sexist, Geraldo. Scandallette?

GUILFOYLE: I like it, though.

RIVERA: You know who said that?

SHILLUE: Look, I think the Clinton campaign is obviously trying their -- trying to channel Obi Wan Kenobi. These are not the droids you're looking for, move along.


BOLLING: All right...

GUILFOYLE: His birthday?

BOLLING: After interviewing Hillary Clinton, Chuck Todd picked the fight with Carly Fiorina for targeting Planned Parenthood, but she stood her ground and blasted him for not asking Hillary question.


CHUCK TODD, MEET THE PRESS HOST: The debate, the most recent debate. You described the following scene, claiming it was on a tape. A fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking, you saw that moment on the tape.

CARLY FIORINA, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Yes, and I would challenge Planned Parenthood.

TODD: Well, there -- the footage you described, at best is a reenactment?

FIORINA: Chuck, Chuck, do you think this is not happening? Does Hillary Clinton think this is not happening? So sad that you missed the opportunity to ask Mrs. Clinton why she said, "Late-term abortions were only performed for medical purposes." That is patently false.


BOLLING: OK, quick around. Go ahead, Geraldo.

RIVERA: Well the -- I said, at this table, that I thought that was Hillary -- Carly Fiorina's finest moment. Her description of the fetus, you know, with the brain intact, and the heart beating and all the rest of it. She answered to Chuck Todd's question, does the video exist? She said -- or have you seen the video? She said, yes. Now it seems to me that's a yes-no. She said, yes, she saw the video. If the video does not exist, I think it's problematic.

BOLLING: It does exist, but I -- here's the problem, and I've seen every single one of these videos.

RIVERA: Did you see that scene?

BOLLING: Yes, but I didn't see any Planned Parenthood video. I saw the scene, but it was -- and it was -- there would be some videos are being released at the same time and that may have been part of the confusion. But they'll be able to clean that up. Quick thought, K.G.?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I thought that was a powerful moment for her. She said that she has very adaptive skills. You know, handling conversations like that and turning around and turning it for -- it sure advantage for her. I think it was a fair question and she was not afraid to post it to the journalists because he should have asked Hillary Clinton about that, if he was doing his job.


SHILLUE: What if she shows the tapes? We've all seeing the things, we look at it on a wrong time, and we're gonna talking them on these shows. They say, "What about the tape? It was describe it this way. What about this?" And it just -- show it. Everyone can see it and they can make up their minds. If they're all, you know, if people see the tapes she's talking about, which I have and you have, I mean it's, it's a pretty bad tape.

BOLLING: Yeah, it's bad. Dana?

PERINO: Well the only reason that the.


PERINO: Mainstream media has been covering the Planned Parenthood videos is because of this controversy, because they've been trying to go after Carly Fiorina about it, which is actually forcing people to recognize that the videos do exist and you can watch them.

RIVERA: But where did you see it? I'm curious. I want to know.

BOLLING: There were groups that were releasing videos and I saw that video. And I am telling you I saw it and it wasn't Planned Parenthood.

RIVERA: And you know it wasn't the reenactment.

PERINO: Well she -- I think what she was describing was the -- she saw the video where the woman was describing what she was seeing and so.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. And she created a proof of life moment, essentially, by telling people, hey, this is out there, this is what exists, talking about it to a huge audience, national audience paying attention to the issues, and it put it right on the forefront.

PERINO: Right.

BOLLING: I got to be honest with you. Have you seen the Planned Parenthood video?

RIVERA: I've seen some of the videos. I haven't seen that scene, though.

BOLLING: I don't -- do you think that it will be any less disgusting, but you want to see describe.

RIVERA: It specifically describes something you haven't really seen.

BOLLING: I don't describe.

PERINO: The problem is all these else -- all these people say, we don't want to hear about that. But her point is do you think it's not happening? It's actually happening whether you want to hear about it or not.


GUILFOYLE: And she said it speaks to the character of this country.


GUILFOYLE: If you sit back and allow that to continue.

RIVERA: Why do you think the video does not exist? What if the video does not exist?

PERINO: It does.

BOLLING: It does. I've seen it.

RIVERA: Well then, we should show it. We should go it.


BOLLING: No way in the world we should ever show that video. All right, ahead.

RIVERA: But what is the point?

BOLLING: You can't show that.

GUILFOYLE: It's that bad.

BOLLING: We got to go. Ahead, he's been teasing it for weeks, and today, Donald Trump finally unveiled his tax plan.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I did the plan with some of the leading scholars and economists and tax experts that there are in this country. They love it. They say why hasn't this been done before? And this is my wheelhouse. That's what I do well.


BOLLING: Some specifics, coming up.


GUILFOYLE: He calls it a common sense proposal that will grow our economy to a level not seen in decades. Donald Trump rolled out his full tax plan today, one that would eliminate income taxes for millions of Americans.


TRUMP: We're going to cut the individual rates from seven brackets to four. If you're single and earn less than 25,000, or married and jointly earn less than 50,000, you'll not pay any income tax. This eliminates very strongly and quickly the marriage penalty. It eliminates the AMT, which is the Alternative Minimum Tax. It ends the death tax. It reduces or eliminates most of the deductions and loopholes available to special interests and to the very rich. In other words, it's going to cost me a fortune.



GUILFOYLE: OK, so he's come up with some specifics, right? Because Eric, the criticism has been, Donald Trump has sound good. It's going to be the greatest recovery ever. How are you going to achieve this greatness that this country desperately needs? So lay it out for us.

BOLLING: So last night on 60 Minutes, he said he preview it a little bit into, it gave us a nibble of what was going to release. I really didn't like what he said last night. He was talking about trade restrictions on goods coming in from other countries. But then he unrolled this today, and I thought -- I give him the A-plus. I mean.

RIVERA: Really?

BOLLING: I really wanted to not love this tax plan because I was worried I was going to be able to figure out where some of the money was coming from, but it's fantastic. A top tax rate for individuals of 25 percent, that's down from 39.6 percent now, and that was going up higher without it. He eliminates the estate tax. I think that's a huge one. And for me, and I think a lot.


BOLLING: And for American businesses, the capital gains tax of 20 percent down from almost 24 percent. Most importantly, on the corporate side, he brings top corporate tax rate, every corporation, whether you're small or large, down to 15 percent. Now top rates right now are at 35 percent. We're getting our butt kicked by every other country in the world who says we'll give you a 15 percent tax rate, and these companies go over there, they bring their jobs and they leave their money there. He also has a repatriation idea, which I've had for seven years.

RIVERA: That's the one I thought.

BOLLING: I talked about it for seven.


BOLLING: I have a plan. Here, I put this out seven years ago.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, God.

BOLLING: No, no. I did -- and I think it's phenomenal.

GUILFOYLE: Look at your picture.

BOLLING: It will bring $2.5 trillion back to America, not in the -- it's a one-time. He talks about as being -- almost like it's on going. It's a one- time repatriation of a lot of money which will bring a lot of money and jobs and economic that can give you back.


BOLLING: I adore this plan. I love it a lot.

RIVERA: Don't you fear that it will add to that, you know, I like a lot of aspects of it also, and I'm glad he was very specific. But don't you fear that when you have a plan that's based on growth projections, north of 3 percent, what you're really offering is a menu for hugely increased deficits.

BOLLING: Yes. And by the way, every single plan so far, including Jeb's, who is looking at a 4 percent GDP growth rate, if you put 4 percent on this plan, you're reducing debt. You're doing a great job reducing debt.

RIVERA: How do you put 4 percent growth in America, when the rest of the world is.


BOLLING: Ronald Reagan took over and turned it -- turned a negative growth depression into an 8 percent growth rate.

RIVERA: Well, I remember Clinton. He did the - he got a surplus in the budget by taxing the rich, by, you know, spreading the pain around. You know, I fear that it may be overly optimistic, although I am very glad that he offered specifics.

GUILFOYLE: OK, so Dana, what do you make of it? What do you see some potential downfalls?

PERINO: Well, I don't have the ability like Eric, does he understands this stuff better than I do in terms of the tax thing. I did read the Kevin Williams in today, someone I trust at National Review, and he makes good points of both Jeb and Trump and anybody else has passed a similar plan, that the numbers don't, eventually add up for the reason that you were saying Geraldo, is that the concern about how do you actually then make sure that the growth is actually there. His point was the tax plan can be what it is, but until we have a spending cut plan, then we're not going to be able to keep up with the amount of outlays that we have that are mandatory because of the entitlement system.

SHILLUE: Also, hitting the rich and hitting businesses and hitting this thing -- what was the foreign -- the one-time tax he was talking about, are businesses going to be able to dodge this? Are they going to be able to hire some accountants and work around it?

BOLLING: No, your -- their business tax went from 35 percent down to 15.

PERINO: Down to 15.



GUILFOYLE: So maybe it more at practice.

SHILLUE: We need creation. They're not going to be able to get around that?


PERINO: if they want to come back, they would.

BOLLING: Do you think -- right now it's 35 percent to bring money back into the country. He's saying we'll drop that down to 10.



RIVERA: I like that.

GUILFOYLE: That's an incentive to get people to come back in and bring more cash flow into the economy, which can then simulate it more jobs, more opportunity, hopefully lower unemployment, get a little love to the GDP.

RIVERA: But how do you do all that and you give benefits to the debts that are enormously enhanced. You increase the military.

GUILFOYLE: Well because you make cuts and that their departments, they're superfluous and there's.


RIVERA: And the trillion dollars for the wall.

BOLLING: Can I just roll one thing.


BOLLING: I the one, I think.

GUILFOYLE: Mexico is paying for the wall, they keep telling you.

BOLLING: Grover Norquist whom has everyone sign the pledge not to raise taxes -- GDP.


BOLLING: He is on board with this plan as well. And if any -- if that guy is on board because it eliminates the death tax, that's why.


RIVERA: That's why business republican hate that it lowers.

PERINO: Americans should hate the death tax.

GUILFOYLE: All right. More -- I need more Vladimir Putin.



RIVERA: Get him.

GUILFOYLE: Vladimir.

PERINO: He might take you up on that, Katie.



GUILFOYLE: And President Obama.

RIVERA: I think you know together.

GUILFOYLE: Are sitting down right now for a rare meeting. We're expecting tape of that shortly, so please stay tuned.


SHILLUE: Last year the state of Maine spent $36 million on entitlements. The mayor of Lewiston, Maine, thinks his community has a right to know who's on welfare. FOX's Tucker Carlson spoke to him this weekend.


TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS: He penned an op-ed last week that said this, in part. Quote, "Our liberal progressive legislators and their social-service allies have made welfare recipients a victimized, protected class."

What's the rationale behind this?

ROBERT MACDONALD, MAYOR, LEWISTOWN, MAINE: If you have a state pension, and it's public information. They have a website in which it publishes everybody's salaries. And I don't really know whose business that is, except for the person that's doing it. But if we can do it for the state - - we do it for the state retirees, we should be doing it to these -- these welfare people.


SHILLUE: Kimberly...

GUILFOYLE: I don't know.

SHILLUE: ... do you agree?

GUILFOYLE: Tom, why do you come to me?

SHILLUE: Barring the fact that he appears to have gotten his sweater out of the Goodwill bin, do you think that...

GUILFOYLE: Aw. Maybe he had a pub crawl.

SHILLUE: Did you see that '80s sweater he was wearing?

BOLLING: It's Maine. It's Maine.

SHILLUE: OK, but look. He's -- he's a thrifty guy, so he wants his people to be as well, right?

GUILFOYLE: Well, I mean, look, the general idea and concept of entitlement reform has merit. Can I say that?

SHILLUE: OK. The idea that -- OK, that makes sense. But...

RIVERA: He does look good in that sweater.

PERINO: I'll answer.

SHILLUE: Dana. He's talking about making it public. The idea of shame. Is shame welcome in our modern world?

PERINO: I'm not for this. I'm not for this.

OK, so he's probably the same guy who would say that it is wrong and irresponsible for a newspaper to print the addresses of somebody who has a weapon, who owns a legally registered gun, right? We are not for that. So I don't understand this.

It does seem to me that, if they think that they have a huge problem in Maine of people who are taking advantage of the system, then they need to fix their system. They don't need to go after...


PERINO: ... and target people and try to embarrass them and tar and feather them in the newspaper.

GUILFOYLE: Well, also their kids, right? Like, "Oh, your mom -- your dad is on welfare. I read your name in the paper." That's not...


GUILFOYLE: ... not nice. And what if they're targets of violence because of it? Then there's going to be more lawsuits and more money spent by the city.


BOLLING: I'm all for this.

SHILLUE: There you go.

PERINO: I knew it!

SHILLUE: I knew I could count on you.

BOLLING: Maine, is that where I need to move when I retire? Is that where...

SHILLUE: Yes. Maine.

BOLLING: So here's the issue and the way I see it differently from you guys, is that because the taxpayers are paying into the system. You want to know where your money going. The public pensioners are doing it.

Another big problem is disability. It's exploding.

SHILLUE: So post that in.

GUILFOYLE: Post the disabled, too? Because it's...

BOLLING: Who is collecting disability? Absolutely.

RIVERA: What about drunk drivers? Should you post that, too?

BOLLING: Do you know why it's important to post...

RIVERA: Domestic violence, post that.

BOLLING: Domestic violence.

RIVERA: Drunk driving.

GUILFOYLE: Pedophiles, sex registry.

BOLLING: Here's why. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) disability, and he's your neighbor and you see him, like, fixing the roof on a ladder upside down, hanging like this, you go, "Hey, wait a minute. I'm paying for your disability?" I think there would be more transparency, more knowledge on who's collecting your tax dollars.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, but you don't want it when the NSA is trying to protect us against terrorists. You're like, "No."

BOLLING: I have no idea what you're -- why you would even bring that up. Nothing...


RIVERA: In front of every house, you'd have "This one is a DUI. This one has domestic violence. This one drinks too much and doesn't support his children."

SHILLUE: Geraldo, everything's on Facebook anyway.

GUILFOYLE: So why don't we listen to their calls, too, and see what's...


PERINO: You cannot possibly be for this.

SHILLUE: Wait a minute. You said tarred and feathered? I think it's OK to have -- there are so many people on disability and on welfare. Why not...

PERINO: Those are two different things. Welfare benefits and disability insurance are two different things.

GUILFOYLE: Tom, be careful. That end of the table sticks together.

RIVERA: The problem (ph) is that they're merging.

SHILLUE: But the thing is we -- like I said, the modern world. You said tar and feather, which is appropriate, because that's what they did back in puritan New England. But we don't live in puritan New England.

PERINO: Right. We've advanced.

SHILLUE: And people are proud of everything now. I think that they...

RIVERA: We don't try witches and burn them.

SHILLUE: ... if they're on Food Stamps, they say, "Yes, I'm on Food Stamps." I don't see the consequences.

PERINO: Maybe we should make them, like, tattoo it on their arm: "I get welfare benefits."

SHILLUE: Or maybe put it -- they could weave it into their sweaters. They love sweaters up there in Maine.

RIVERA: That's a great idea.

SHILLUE: OK. More to come in just a moment.

PERINO: Oh, boy. More of that, please.

GUILFOYLE: I mean, your sweater is gorgeous.

SHILLUE: Really?


PERINO: A FOX News alert: President Obama and Russian president just met. And we are now getting tape from it. It was a very brief meeting. Let's watch.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you made progress on Syria?


PERINO: Yes, we waited all day for that.

All right. Today at the United Nations, President Obama called Syria's leader a tyrant and reiterated that Bashir [SIC] Assad has to go.


OBAMA: Assad and his allies can't simply pacify the broad majority of a population who have been brutalized by chemical weapons and indiscriminate bombing.

Yes, realism dictates that compromise will be required to end the fighting and ultimately stamp out ISIS. But realism also requires a managed transition away from Assad and to a new leader.


PERINO: It's something the president has been saying for four straight years now, but with no follow-through and a retreat from the Middle East, he's left a vacuum that Vladimir Putin has been more than happy to fill. The Russian president affirmed his support for the Assad government today and on "60 Minutes."


VLADIMIR PUTIN, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): There is no other solution to the Syrian crisis than strengthening the effective government structures and rendering them help in fighting terrorism.

CHARLIE ROSE, "60 MINUTES": Some of the coalition partners want to see President Assad go first before they will support...

PUTIN (through translator): It's only the Syrian people who are entitled to decide who should govern their country and how.


PERINO: Actually, that comment last night, Geraldo, bothered me, because who's left in Syria to actually be able to make that decision?

RIVERA: Exactly.

PERINO: There's all the people that have left, all the people that have been killed by their own government.

What concerns me about this whole arrangement is that the Sunnis hate Assad more than they hate ISIS. What Putin is saying is that Assad must stay. Iran is now saying Assad must stay, and it felt to me like President Obama was saying, "I really think that Assad should go, but..."

GUILFOYLE: What's he going to do about it?

RIVERA: I think that there has to be prioritizing in Syria. Syria is totally dysfunctional. It ceased to exist as a nation. It has spawned the worst refugee crisis since World War II. Every nation in Europe already affected: 200,000 coming to our shores at the president's invitation.

It is clear that ISIS must be defeated. It is clear that Russia, Iran and the United States are on the same side when it comes to that, along with France, as Eric Holder said, along with U.K.

We have to, as I said, in pleading remarks at the top of the show, when we can hold our nose and partner with Stalin to defeat Hitler in World War II, Stalin, a man responsible for 50,000 deaths, we can partner for a time with the national government, as it exists in Syria, to defeat ISIS.

Once ISIS is defeated, then you have the transition. Where does Bashar Assad go? You had the secretary-general of the United Nations today announcing that he wants to refer what's happened in Syria to the international court of justice, international criminal court. I don't know where Bashar...

PERINO: That's great. In 20 years we'll get some sort of an answer.

RIVERA: Well, let him go to Moscow eventually.

BOLLING: If you listen to Geraldo, you partner with Bashar Assad, destroy ISIS, and then turn around and destroy who you just partnered with.

RIVERA: No, no.

BOLLING: And then -- and then bear the brunt of Iran and Russia, who is just partnering with Assad also.

Here's a better idea. Let them beat the living daylights out of each other in Syria. Knock yourself out. I'm sorry about -- I'm sorry about the refugee crisis. Make it stay in Syria, Geraldo.

RIVERA: What do you mean?

BOLLING: Push them out of Iraq the way you can, with the Kurds and with the Iraqi forces. Get them the hell out of Iraq. Push them back into Syria and let them fight it out there.

RIVERA: Here's a better idea. Russia, the United States, get together, mass the two biggest armies in the world. They create a Syrian safe haven where Sunnis, Shiites -- I don't care who you are. If you're Syrian, you stay in Syria.

BOLLING: How does that -- how does that kill ISIS?

RIVERA: I'll protect you. I'll give you jobs.

BOLLING: How does that fight ISIS?

RIVERA: Then you fight ISIS outside the safe haven, where you worked in concert with the Russians...

BOLLING: And Assad.

RIVERA: ... to protect Syrian civilians.

BOLLING: And Assad.

RIVERA: And then when you want to get out...

BOLLING: Then you still have Assad.

RIVERA: Well, you work that out. There's no urgency in getting rid of Assad. The urgency is stopping ISIS.

GUILFOYLE: Well, so you agree with Putin's plan?

RIVERA: I agree with Putin's plan.

PERINO: OK. Kimberly, do you want to say anything?

Here's the thing. One of the reasons that I think Russia is into this is because they know how much money they stand to gain to replenish their coffers by doing trade with Iran.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, this is what I'm saying.

PERINO: It all goes back to Obama's desperation to get this deal with Iran.

GUILFOYLE: But here's the problem, though. He's let this fester into just, like, a full-blown disaster situation in the Middle East. So Putin stepped in, because he had to. So when you see him standing there next to President Obama, you can just feel the displeasure. He doesn't have respect for the president, because he's now going there to figure out this whole mess out with, you know, Bashar Assad.

Now he's got Iran on his side. He's trying to take over. But then he's doing a good job. He's doing a good job of it, because he's calling the shots, Dana. That's why Netanyahu (ph) has to talk to Putin. That's why, you know, the head general, Soleimani, has to talk to Putin, because he's calling the shots.

PERINO: One final quick word?

SHILLUE: Well, Obama obviously doesn't mean what he's saying, that Assad still has to go. He doesn't mean that, you know -- it's just like a nuclear-bomb-free Iran. What is he less committed to, a nuclear-free Iran or an Assad-free Syria? I don't think he's committed to either.

GUILFOYLE: He just wants to be on record saying that...

RIVERA: People said there'd never be a nuke deal in Iran, with Iran. There is a nuke deal. They can make a deal. Putin and Obama can make a deal. Let's root for...

BOLLING: People never said there never could be. They said there never should be.

PERINO: That's a good distinction.

RIVERA: Exactly. A far (UNINTELLIGIBLE) the way it was...

PERINO: All right. Next, we're going to switch topics. A national shame. The pitcher of the Washington Nationals went after one of his team's star sluggers last night. The baseball brawl, ahead.


RIVERA: Welcome back to "The Five." The Washington Nationals lost their bid to make it to the playoffs this weekend after a very disappointing end of season, and then a really low point happened. The pitcher, their closer, Jonathan Papelbon, went after -- physically went after MVP candidate Bryce Harper for not running hard enough to first base, and then this thing happened. Watch.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Words were exchanged and then all of a sudden, everything breaks loose in that dugout.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, we assume it was a reference to not running that ball out. And Bryce obviously didn't care for that.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Papelbon leads here with his left. And of course, he has the height advantage, because he's on a higher step. If you can read lips, we'd sure would like to know what they're saying. But this is -- this is not good, obviously. There's -- there's no positive that can come out of this.


RIVERA: It looked like an Eric-Geraldo episode of "The Five" there.

Papelbon was allowed back in the game. I mean, he could have been arrested for criminal assault. I'll ask Kimberly first.

The Nationals releasing a statement today calling his behavior unacceptable. Duh. He gave up five runs when they let him back in. You can't go back in on that kind of emotional context. They suspended him the rest of the season. I do think that was an assault.

GUILFOYLE: If he wanted to press charges, yes. You know, that's the thing. Then you're going to get down to a whole, you know, political mess within the organization. It's not good for the franchise, for the team morale. But yes, it's conduct unbecoming. It's certainly unsportsmanlike. It's not a good message or example for the children.

RIVERA: Work it out. But you know, when you grab someone by the neck, it's not exactly unsportsmanlike conduct.

BOLLING: First of all, Bryce Harper not running is -- he had to run that out. At that point, they hadn't been -- right, Tommy, I don't think they were eliminated until after that game, right? So he should have run that. That ball gets dropped in the outfield, he should have been on second base. He would have been, at worst case, first base, but not thrown out.

Here's the thing, though. That stuff goes on all the time. That goes on all the time.

RIVERA: Physical stuff?

BOLLING: All the time. There's those altercations all the time, but they're not on the field.

GUILFOYLE: They're in locker rooms.

BOLLING: They're not in front of the fans, and they're not -- certainly not in plain sight of the TVs. And that's why Papelbon is suspended for the rest of the season.

Look, he was wrong. But he would have -- there would have been justice within the organization, had that happened a few hours later in the locker room, which it would have, and happens quite often.

SHILLUE: I think it's a lot of -- much ado about nothing. I think that they should say, "You guys work it out." I mean, guys get into fights. It wasn't a big deal. It's like guys -- I'm sure they patched it up. Things are hot during a game.

BOLLING: Here's the issue with that, Tommy.


BOLLING: Yes, except that kids are watching, right? So there's a lot of kids in the stands, kids watching the game going -- yes, that was very...

RIVERA: This is what happens in Washington, Dana?

PERINO: No, I was just thinking how relatively peaceful our green room is.

GUILFOYLE: Not this table.

PERINO: I didn't know it happens all the time.

RIVERA: It's a step too far. It's a bridge too far. When you lay your hands on, then you go too far. I mean, we've been nose to nose, and you know, whatever we're thinking inside when that tension builds, when that passion...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God, that sounds really weird, just so you know.

RIVERA: Nose to nose.

GUILFOYLE: We've been nose to nose. Whatever we feel, the tension...

RIVERA: Well, what about the meaty bodyguards with Vladimir Putin?

GUILFOYLE: No, that's what -- Tommy gave us that.

RIVERA: Meaty bodyguards and the men's parts and all that.

GUILFOYLE: Don't look at me.

RIVERA: Read it. Read it.

GUILFOYLE: I'm not going to read it.

RIVERA: "One More Thing" is next.


BOLLING: All right, time for "One More Thing." Dana is up first.

PERINO: OK. So last week on Thursday I got a chance to go to Florida College. It's in Tampa. And it was so much fun. The students were hilarious. They all love "The Five." They kept making me do these funny faces with them with all of their selfies. And I actually ended up actually having a ton of fun. Great people, about a thousand there for the event.

But the best part was during the book signing, a lady came through and she said, "I have to tell you something. I got out of a speeding ticket, because I was listening to 'The Five' in my car. And the police officer that pulled me over was a fan of yours, too." Not just of me, but of the show, and so she was able to get out of her speeding ticket.


PERINO: So another reason to keep "The Five" on.

BOLLING: Very -- that's fantastic.

All right, K.G., you're up.

GUILFOYLE: I like it, I like it. And I like Mike -- Mark Wahlberg and this cute guy -- he's very sweet -- he's 14 years old, an amazing singer. Bobby Hill of the Keystone State Boy Choir. He performed an opera solo. And he told Mark Wahlberg that he liked his performance in the movie "Ted." Take a listen to this.



MARK WAHLBERG, ACTOR: That right there was truly the voice of an angel. But then he whispered in my ear that he loved the movie "TED." I told him that was not appropriate for a boy of his age.

Holy Father, please forgive me. I've always hoped that the good Lord has a sense of humor.


GUILFOYLE: Very clever, and so the pope, you know, had a wonderful time, too, at that performance.

BOLLING: Fourteen years old. That guy has a voice and a future.

GUILFOYLE: He's unbelievable.

BOLLING: All right. Tommy, you're up.

SHILLUE: OK. As the father of two daughters, I always have three women telling me I don't understand things, and the latest Internet sensation, little Jo-Jo, listen to her explain to her father about weddings.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And dad, you can't call my name when I'm going to be walking down the aisle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What if I just yell "princess"!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, dad. There's going to be a bunch of people sitting there, and they're going to hear. They're going to be like, "Why is he doing that? That was a dumb thing." You do not understand.


PERINO: You do not understand.

I'm making a list of people, women who should see that.

SHILLUE: Exactly.

BOLLING: It was adorable.

All right. Very quickly. Had to do this, just for this picture, this photo op. Check out Warren Buffett. Show the picture. There he is right there. He's wearing these pants and that's in support of Ndamukong -- right Tommy? Ndamukong Suh who's a Miami Dolphin who apparently went to Nebraska, where Buffett has an Omaha connection, so he apparently brought Ndamukong Suh to one of his events. And it's a long story.

Geraldo, you're up.

RIVERA: The Trump family, whatever you think of Donald's politics, they are one of the most generous families around. Eric Trump has a terrific foundation, the Eric Trump Foundation. Virtually every dime he raises with like 3 percent for administration -- so different than so many charities -- goes to the intended beneficiary.

I hosted an event at Bedminster, their wonderful golf course out in New Jersey yesterday. They raised tens of thousands for St. Jude's Children's Hospital, the legendary children's hospital, state-of-the-art care, a wonderful, wonderful success rate. It was just a very inspiring thing. Eric there with his wife Laura. It was very, very nice.

BOLLING: Very, very good. Good job, Geraldo.

All good, guys. Set your DVRs, never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" up now.

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