Boehner's resignation a victory for conservatives?; Kareem Abdul-Jabbar talks race and politics

Byron York: New House leadership will face same frustrations and obstacles


This is a rush transcript from "Sunday Morning Futures," September 27, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.


The speaker of the House stepping down as the presidential race heats up.

Good morning, everyone. I'm Maria Bartiromo. Welcome to "Sunday Morning Futures."

John Boehner's sudden resignation getting mixed reactions from GOP leaders this morning. So where does the party stand and how does Boehner's decision impact the race to the White House?

Plus, President Obama seeing eye to eye with Chinese President Xi on cybersecurity a few months after a major government hack linked to the far east superpower. Former U.S Ambassador Jon Huntsman on that and whether we can bring some of those jobs in China back home to America.

Plus, basketball Hall of Famer Kareem Abdul-Jabbar with strong words for some presidential candidates. He says they're sending the wrong message on the campaign trail, as we look ahead this morning on "Sunday Morning Futures."

A lightning bolt hits Washington. The man second in line for the presidency, after the vice president, and one of the most powerful figures on Capitol Hill calling it quits. Late last week, House Speaker John Boehner sending shockwaves through Congress, announcing he will step down from his leadership post and his House seat at the end of October. The surprise resignation raising questions of why he did it and who will replace him. Byron York is chief political correspondent for The Washington Examiner and a Fox News contributor.

Byron, good to have you on the program today. Thanks so much for joining us.


BARTIROMO: What is the impact of Boehner's resignation?

YORK: Well, there's no doubt that there are a lot of conservatives in Washington who are cheering over this. There was a really big conservative gathering in Washington on Friday, and when Boehner's resignation was announced, there was a standing ovation. They were cheering. So they're very happy.

The problem is the next speaker, which is probably going to be Representative Kevin McCarthy, is going to face the same problems that Boehner did. The biggest one is, a minority of Democratic senators in the House can stop whatever Republicans want to do. If they want to defund ObamaCare, that can be stopped in the Senate. If they want to defund Planned Parenthood, that can be stopped in the Senate. So the frustrations that conservatives feel about not being able to work their will in Washington are going to still be there.

BARTIROMO: Yes, and I - and I guess conservatives wanted to see a bigger dent in ObamaCare. They wanted to be a big - see a bigger dent in immigration. Or maybe they just wanted to see more bills passed that landed on the president's desk that the president would then veto. How come we didn't see that, Byron? We speak about this a lot when the Republicans first won in November. That's where they said they were going to do, put lots of bills in front of the president and then he would veto them and that would show the president's legacy. How come that hasn't happened?

YORK: Yes, a lot of conservatives just wanted to see more fight. I mean some of them said, look, we know you're not going to win every one of these fights, but we want to see you fight. The fact is they ran up against numbers in the Senate. For example, the president's executive action on immigration, a lot of Republicans wanted to overturn that. They could not do so. Besides, Republicans themselves were a little bit divided about that.

Same thing on ObamaCare. And now you're seeing the same thing play out with the Planned Parenthood fight. And that is, there are Republicans who were dead set against any sort of government shutdown strategy, that is attaching a Planned Parenthood defunding provision to a must pass spending bill, probably not going to happen now. So with a mixture of Republican divisions, plus remaining Democratic strength even in the minority in the Senate, Republicans have not been able to get anything done.

BARTIROMO: Yes, yes, you're absolutely right.

OK, we want to talk a bit more about some of the things that Boehner was working on, like the Dodd Frank legislation. Where does that stand? As well as that potential government shutdown, this upcoming week, October 1. So stay with us, Byron. A lot to talk about with you.

But we want to also look at Speaker Boehner's departure and what it may mean for the entire Republican Party going forward. Fox News senior correspondent Eric Shawn with that angle.

Eric, good morning to you.

ERIC SHAWN, FOX NEWS SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Maria, and good morning, everyone.

What's next? You know, John Boehner's departure could bring new opportunity or more of the same to Washington.


REP. NANCY PELOSI, D-CALIF.: I now pass this gavel and the sacred trust that goes with it to the new speaker. God bless you, Speaker Boehner.


SHAWN: He started with such fresh hope and prospects. The bartender's son from Ohio was sent into the speakership nearly five years ago. But a stunningly surprising exit has unleashed uncertainty and criticism.


SEN. MARCO RUBIO, R-FLA., PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's not about him or anybody else and I'm not here today to - to - to bash anyone, but the time has come to turn the page. The time has come to turn the page and allow a new generation of leadership in this country.

SEN. TED CRUZ, R-TEXAS, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If it is correct that the speaker, before he resigns, has cut a deal with Nancy Pelosi to fund the Obama administration for the rest of the (INAUDIBLE), that is not the behavior one would expect of the Republican speaker.


SHAWN: Well, a variety of potential candidates, more conservative than Boehner in the running. As Byron pointed out, the odds are that number two majority leader California Congressman Kevin McCarthy is now the leading candidate. And the most recent Fox News poll starkly illustrates the Republican divide. It shows the majority of Republican primary voters, 62 percent, say they feel betrayed by their party. And some, like "Investor Business Daily," predict the unexpected vacancy brings new possibilities saying, quote, "this is not a setback. It's an opportunity. But whoever replaces Boehner, it had better be someone of vision and aggressiveness. GOP supporters are sick of feeling betrayed."

Well, in the wake of Mr. Boehner's departure, there are calls that Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell also should walk the plank. However it all shakes out, it seems the number one priority for the next speaker will be to try and stop some of his colleagues from continuing to shoot inside the tent and instead aim their legislative fire at the Democrats, which, after all, is why the Republican voters sent them to Capitol Hill in the first place.


BARTIROMO: Yes, a great analysis, Eric, thanks so much. Eric Shawn there.

More now with our guest this morning, Byron York, chief political correspondent for The Washington Examiner.

And, Byron, a brand-new Fox poll shows political outsiders still leading in the GOP race for the nomination. Donald Trump on top with 26 percent. Ben Carson, not far behind, at 18 percent. Carly Fiorina, Senator Marco Rubio are tied for third with 9 percent. You are looking at this and you have to believe that this is one of the reasons that Boehner was basically saw the light to step down. People are sick and tired of the establishment.

YORK: Yes, a lot of news in that. One is that Trump is still strong, even though he's probably a little lower than he was in late August, early September, Trump is still strong. Just a huge jump by Carly Fiorina after her debate performance in - at the Reagan Library. Marco Rubio, you just saw him, he was addressing that big conservative conference in Washington. Clearly coming up after his debate performances.

The other two big things to remember, when you talk about this outsider versus establishment thing, Jeb Bush has lost about half of his support since July, a really, really big development there. And, of course, Scott Walker is the biggest loser of all, was thought to appeal to some establishment types and now he's out of the race altogether.

BARTIROMO: Yes, that's a great point. It - what do you think Jeb Bush has to do now I mean after losing all of that support?

YORK: Well, if you talk to the Bush people, they say slow and steady, slow and steady, this is a marathon, this is not any quick race for the - for today's polls. But the thing is, he needs to win Iowa or New Hampshire is what he needs to do and he is not in a strong position in either one. The Bush campaign talks about how, you know, you go on. There's South Carolina and Nevada, Florida, the SEC primaries, all of these other races, but Republican candidates for president come from either the winner of Iowa or New Hampshire. Very unusual to lose both and go on. So I think you'll eventually see Jeb Bush putting a lot of energy into those early states.

BARTIROMO: Right. And what do you think the - the policy around Jeb Bush is, that - that is mostly sort of, you know, thought about when he talks. I mean we're still waiting for sort of granularity and specifics on policy from all of the candidates. What do you think we think about when you think about Jeb Bush in terms of what he's strongest on?

YORK: Well, he would say that he's already rolled out a tax plan, he's already made him - made his positions clear on - on a number of things. I think the problem with Bush is that he's just not really excited very many people. He has not connected with people. You know, he was on the Stephen Colbert show earlier and he was asked about the exclamation point at the end of his name, Jeb, in the logo, and he said it, quote, "co-notes (ph) excitement." And, of course, the funny part of that was, it actually doesn't. So I think he actually needs to connect more with voters and that's just not happening in a big way right now.

BARTIROMO: Yes, that's really funny, actually. That's a good - that's a very good point.

Back to the Boehner story. Let me get your take on the impact in terms of the economy and markets. First off, do you expect that the government shuts down on Thursday, this upcoming week? And what are the most important sort of items on the agenda that Boehner was working on that perhaps could be up for question right now?

YORK: First of all, on the government shutdown, absolutely not. Just - I just don't see that happening. And on the agenda, yes, there are plenty of things that could be done, financial reform, tax reform. Remember, the Republicans have never, ever rolled out their own alternative to Obamacare that they've all united behind. So there were a lot of things that they could do. But I cannot overemphasize the degree to which a lot of Republican leaders in Washington believe that nothing is going to happen until there's a new president. So I think what you're going to see is a lot of standing in place measures. You know, funding - funding bills that just keep the government funded at its current level. No big policy changes. Essentially nothing happening until the presidential election is resolved.


YORK: I think that's a very, very strong opinion among top Republicans here in Washington.

BARTIROMO: For sure. So at this moment in time, who does Byron York think that person will be?

YORK: You know, I have long ago --

BARTIROMO: Stick your neck out, Bryon. Come on.

YORK: I have long ago gotten out of the presidential election prediction business. I mean I will tell you a lot of insiders certainly believe that Carson and Trump will eventually fade. They are very impressed with Fiorina's strength. They believe that Marco Rubio has all of the - all of the factors that they want to see in a general election candidate.


YORK: But I'll tell you, who a week ago would have thought that Scott Walker would be out of the race and that John Boehner would no longer be speaker?


YORK: There are a lot of surprises going on --

BARTIROMO: Sure are.

YORK: And there's no reason to believe they're going to stop.

BARTIROMO: Byron, thank you so much. We will see you soon, sir.

YORK: Thank you, Maria.

BARTIROMO: Byron York there.

The leaders of the world's two largest economies agreeing to fight cybercrime, but can President Obama and the Chinese president really put an end to this major national security problem?

Follow us on Twitter @mariabartiromo, @sundayfutures. We're talking with Jon Huntsman coming up. What would you like to hear from him about China.

Stay with us. We're looking ahead on "Sunday Morning Futures."


BARTIROMO: Welcome back.

President Obama talking cybersecurity with the president of China. The two leaders meeting at the White House on Friday, both promising to join together to fight cyber theft of intellectual property. Despite that pledge, President Obama is still open to slapping sanctions on Beijing. He also pointed that out that cybercrimes are playing out on a one way street.


PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: I raised, once again, our very serious concerns about growing cyber threats to American companies and American citizens. I indicated that it has to stop. The United States government does not engage in cyber economic espionage for commercial gain.


BARTIROMO: Former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman is also a former U.S. ambassador to China and we welcome him to the program.

Sir, good to see you. Thanks so much for joining us.


BARTIROMO: Your observation to the Chinese president's visit and specifically as it relates to cybercrime.

HUNTSMAN: Well, listen, the Chinese are playing the long game and as such they're benefiting enormously from intellectual property theft, mostly from U.S. firms, which is probably costing the United States and our economy $200 billion to $300 billion per year. So we play the short game typically here in the United States. Xi Jinping, clearly, in this visit, which really was his first as head of the party and head of state, was to telegraph back to his constituencies at home that he's strong, he's capable, he's a leader on the world stage, he can manage the most important relationship in the world.

And for us, we clearly wanted deliverables. There weren't any deliverables on the South China Sea, which is probably the most pressing security challenge in our relationship. And there was a little bit of language in the joint statement relevant to IP theft. But in terms of really doing anything about it, with articulated sanctions or a threat to do something if China doesn't stop their behavior, really wasn't laid out. So words are cheap. We're going to see if in the aftermath - because there will be additional IP theft incidents, there's no doubt about that - if the United States will be willing to do what some of us called for a couple of years ago in a major IP theft report, which is to use the power of our market to block products that are coming in, developed by companies that are stealing our intellectual property, which, again, is robbing us of jobs, it's robbing us of innovation and longer term it's really hurting our economy.

BARTIROMO: Right. So do you think that was threatened or discussed? I mean, you know, we can say things, the president can say things about how important this issue is and we are not going to tolerate it, but like you said, it's just words.

HUNTSMAN: Well, yes.

BARTIROMO: So was this meeting just a joyride or did - I mean you said there were no deliverables.

HUNTSMAN: The - the - the - I've been in these meetings a thousand times and the Chinese like words and they like joint statements, but they respect leverage. And you have to have leverage in the game if you're going to make any progress at all. And as it relates to IP theft, the leverage we have that they respect most and they fear most is closing down our market. So the idea that you might deploy section 337 of the U.S. Trade Act to block goods that are coming into the United States made by Chinese companies that are ripping off our intellectual property is something we ought to consider. The idea that Chinese companies are gaining access to capital from financial institutions, where it ought to be blocked and it ought to be treated as if it were a money laundering case, is something that should be considered.

The idea that Chinese companies ultimately want to go public on the New York Stock Exchange, there ought to be some provision whereby there's a review process with the SEC, where if a company has been involved at all in ripping off U.S. intellectual property, then there ought to be some sort of sanction against that. So these are all areas that clearly would get the attention of the Chinese, but I'm not sure they were spelled out in any specific detail.

BARTIROMO: I think you make a great point all around because all of the things that you're hitting on really resonate with the American people. But let's be honest, I mean, none of that was said, so there really isn't any of that sort of hard hitting America will do this if this keeps up. So here we are, and nothing -

HUNTSMAN: Here - here we are.

BARTIROMO: So nothing happened.

HUNTSMAN: Here we are.

BARTIROMO: This was just a photo-op then, governor.

HUNTSMAN: It - this - this was a Rose Harden photo-op with a joint statement. But I have to give the administration credit for at least enshrining the whole issue of intellectual property theft in the joint statement. That has been tried before and no one has ever succeeded in getting the Chinese to at least admit to it and begin to frame the discussion.

Now the conversation has been framed. There's not a lot of content to it. It's been framed and we'll see where it goes from here. Now you begin adding content, which is a very crystal clear understanding between the United States and China that if IP theft is ripped off, there will be immediate consequences that will be quite painful.

BARTIROMO: Now, of course he-- you know --

HUNTSMAN: That -- oh, that will have to come next and we'll see.

BARTIROMO: He's speaking to the United Nations General Assembly tomorrow, the president of China is. And, of course, this is just a few weeks after the negotiations over the transpacific partnership, the TPP, trade deal. Any conversation about that, the fact that China is not involved in that?

HUNTSMAN: China's not involved in that. It includes 12 countries of the Asia Pacific region representing about 40 percent of the world's GDP. China has its own version of TPP.


HUNTSMAN: It's called r-sap (ph). And it's generally done with their free trade partners in the region. The big difference is, their standards for engagement on trade are at a much lower level than ours. TPP will be a gold plated agreement once it is done, probably first quarter of 2016. The trick, Maria, going forward will be, how do you link r-sap with TPP such that trade flows and investment patterns aren't disrupted.


HUNTSMAN: Ultimately you could see two trade agreements mature in the Asia Pacific region, with is the most important economic region of the world, with different standards. And that would be a horrible outcome for prosperity in the region and for U.S. exports.


HUNTSMAN: So I hope - and there may have been some conversation about how you bridge TPP longer term -

BARTIROMO: Yes, that's -

HUNTSMAN: With - with China's view of trade.


Governor, good to have you on the program.

HUNTSMAN: Great to be with you.

BARTIROMO: Ambassador, thank you so much. We'll see you soon.

HUNTSMAN: Thank you. A pleasure.

BARTIROMO: Jon Huntsman.

Some campaign trail moments turning heads for the wrong reason. We'll talk about it. Ben Carson's comments with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

Back in a minute.


BARTIROMO: Welcome back.

As we move towards electing a new president of the United States, attack ads and messages isolating certain races or cultures are often overtaking talk about policies to move the country forward. My next guest says it is getting in the way of getting the real messages out there. Kareem Abdul- Jabbar is with us today, a basketball Hall of Famer, author of the new book "Mycroft Holmes: A Modern Take on Sherlock Holmes."

And, Kareem, it is wonderful to have you on the show today.


BARTIROMO: Thank you so much for joining us.

I want to get to the book in a moment because I know you are a prolific writer. We talked years ago about how - your children's books. So I'll get to that in a moment. But first I want to talk about what's going on in this election cycle, and that is the most recent comments from Dr. Ben Carson. He has backpedaled a bit basically saying he would accept a Muslim in the White House so long as that person rejected sharia law. We know that sharia law means, you know, killing homosexuals, women are subservient to men. Tell me about sharia law. You converted to Islam how many years ago?

ABDUL-JABBAR: In 1967. A long time ago. But Islam does not OK the things that you just mentioned, killing people, rape, all of these things that have been associated now with sharia law. That's crazy. None of the people that have that criticism of sharia law have checked out the law because it's not even for non-Muslims. Sharia law is for the ruling of an Islamic state. So sharia law could never apply here in America because America is a very diverse place.

So they - they've got it all wrong. They don't know what the law states actually. And they want to distort it in order to make Muslims the villain. And there's enough real villainy going on without people investing it.

BARTIROMO: What has happened in this country that we are, in fact, tolerating, you know, this kind of talk, like, for example, what Donald Trump said about Mexicans.

ABDUL-JABBAR: Right. Well, I think that it's very frustrating when we're being attacked by people that we don't understand and it's really easy to make up scenarios that justify our anger, our need to retaliate, our need to try to find some way to eliminate this threat. I understand that. But you can't do that in a way that takes a whole group of people and - and marks them for - for being targets of bigotry.

BARTIROMO: Of course.

ABDUL-JABBAR: That - that's - it doesn't work. It ends up being more of a problem than a solution. And people have to get to that point where they understand that.

BARTIROMO: You know, I wanted you to come on this program now for a long time because you and I have spoken in the past and you've always been such a practical speaker about these issues. And I think most people don't realize how, you know, passionate you are about these subjects. For example, I don't think most people realize that your father was a New York City police officer.

ABDUL-JABBAR: No, they don't and -


ABDUL-JABBAR: My grandfather also was a police officer in west (ph) (INAUDIBLE).

BARTIROMO: Exactly. So you've got the NYPD in your blood -


BARTIROMO: And yet look what's happening with the NYPD today. Under attack. There are way too many shootings in this country.


BARTIROMO: What do you have to say about this?

ABDUL-JABBAR: I - I think it's very unfortunate that the whole idea of an overuse of force can be applied just to a certain group. I have a lot of family that live in Brooklyn.


ABDUL-JABBAR: And in Brownsville. And it's a very violent place. And they understand the need for polices - for policemen to be active there. But the beliefs seem to overstep their - their mandate sometimes and too many corpses are in the morgue for no good reason. And that's a - that's a problem that has to be dealt with. But we can't - we can't abandon our - our need and support for the police, but they have to find - try to find a way not to overstep the bounds when it comes to force.

BARTIROMO: Let me get to the book. You've written several children's books. And that's also why I was so impressed with you because you are - I mean it's a passion of yours to educate our young people. This is your first novel, though.


BARTIROMO: It's about Sherlock Holmes' brother.


BARTIROMO: Tell us about the book.

ABDUL-JABBAR: The book is about Sherlock Holmes' brother, Mycroft, who has always been a mystery to people because he's not very - mentioned very often in the regular cannon or Arthur Conan Doyle's stories. But Mycroft is someone who is back in the shadows. Sherlock describes him as someone who is overweight and sedentary. He doesn't go anywhere except to his offices, his apartment, and the Diogenes Club, which he helped found. And the rule at the Diogenes Club is that you can't talk. And that - that's all - that's all we know about him. So it left a - a huge area for us to form his back story.

So we're talking about 20 years before Sherlock becomes the world's greatest consulting detective. We're talking about his brother who has just graduated from Cambridge just two years on and has a great job at the British foreign office. And he's doing very well. He's an up and coming person in the foreign office. And people are very impressed with him. And his best friend, Cyrus Douglas, a gentleman from the West Indies, tells him that strange and horrible things are happening and he has to go home to investigate it. And that starts us on our - our little adventure.

BARTIROMO: I know you've been very supportive of President Obama.


BARTIROMO: Do you feel that the African-American community needs to hold him to account in terms of their economic lives?

We haven't had much success under his watch...


BARTIROMO: -- which is surprising.

ABDUL-JABBAR: Well, for black Americans, it's been very difficult because President Obama is the president for everybody. He's not just the African- American president.

So he has to deal with issues and policies that affect everyone and he can't -- he can't just devote himself to issues that are -- only resonate within the black community. That is not his job and I don't blame him. He's in a very difficult position.

But he's -- he's tried to do what he can do and I don't criticize him in that sense.

BARTIROMO: Kareem, it's great to have you on the show today.

ABDUL-JABBAR: Oh, it's great to be here.

BARTIROMO: Thank you so much.

ABDUL-JABBAR: Thank you.

BARTIROMO: It's really nice to see you again.

ABDUL-JABBAR: My pleasure.

BARTIROMO: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

We are watching Pope Francis on his last day of his busy three city trip to the United States.

But before he swaps his pope mobile for a plane home to Rome, he could see the biggest crowds of his whole visit yet.

Plus, we're getting into Hillary Clinton next with the panel.

We're looking ahead right now on "Sunday Morning Futures."


SHAWN: Hello, I'm Eric Shawn.

Pope Francis, as you can see, now just arriving back in Philadelphia. He's expected to speak about -- to about 100 inmates at the Curran-Fromhold Correctional Facility there.

We will, of course, bring you that when it happens.

BARTIROMO: Thank you, Eric.

Hillary Clinton's favorability ratings taking a hit in the latest Fox News Poll.

Take a look at these numbers. A record high, 56 percent of the people polled, now have an unfavorable opinion of Mrs. Clinton. Only 38 percent view her favorably and she is losing support from a key voting bloc -- women.

Half of them now rate her negatively.

So is this time to pack for the Hillary clan -- camp?

We want to bring in our panel.

Ed Rollins, former White House advisor to President Reagan, a long-time strategist to business and political leaders. He is also a Fox News political analyst.

Judith Miller, a Pulitzer-Prize winning author and journalist and a Fox News contributor.

And Mary Kissel, a "Wall Street Journal" editorial board member.

Good to see everybody.

Thank you so much for joining us.



BARTIROMO: I want to get into Hillary right away on these polls.

What do you think this shows (INAUDIBLE)?

ED ROLLINS, FOX NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, first, these numbers, any other candidate would be a death knell. You would basically drop out of the race and not run and not be electable. You can't underestimate Hillary Clinton, though. And at the end of the day, the Democratic Party still has a lot of people that want her to be the nominee.

I think there's no alternative at this point in time. Sanders is not an alternative. If Biden gets in, then you've got a race. And it -- and the race will be something like the Mondale-Gary Hart race. It will go on and on and on.

BARTIROMO: We're going to interrupt right here for a moment, because we have a Fox News alert.

Pope Francis now arriving back in Philadelphia, where he will speak to about 100 inmates.

Let's listen in.

POPE FRANCIS (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Is condemned to imprison itself and to fall prey to its own sufferings. I stand among you a pastor, a shepherd, but above all, as your brother, to share in your plight and make it my own.

I am here that we may join in prayer and bring before our God everything that causes us pain. But to also bring everything that gives us hope so that we may receive from him the power of the resurrection.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dear brothers and sisters, thank you for receiving me and giving me the opportunity to be here with you and to share this time in your lives. It is a difficult time, one full of struggles. I know it is a painful time not only for you, but also for your families and for all of society.

Any society, any family which cannot share or take seriously the pain of its children and views that pain as something normal or to be expected is a society condemned to remain a hostage to itself, prey to the very things that cause that pain.

I am here as a pastor, but above all, as a brother, to share your situation and to make it my own.

I have come so that we can pray together and offer our God everything that causes us pain, but, also everything that gives us hope so that we can receive from him the power of the resurrection.

POPE FRANCIS: I am reminded of the gospel, when Jesus washes the feet of his disciples at the Last Supper. And the disciples were puzzled by this. Peter even refused and he said, "Ye shall never wash my feet."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think of the gospel scene where Jesus washes the feet of his disciples at the Last Supper. This was something his disciples found hard to accept. Even Peter refused and told him, "Ye will never wash my feet."

POPE FRANCIS: Back then, when you went to visit someone, the host would wash your feet. People were traditionally welcomed this way because the roads were not paved. They were covered in dust, with petals that would get stuck in your sandals. After walking on these roads, everyone's feet were caked in dust, bruised or cut from the stones.

So there was Jesus, washing feet, our feet, his disciples' feet.

In those days it was accustomed to wash someone's feet when they came to your home. That was how they welcomed people. The roads were not paved. They were covered with dust and little stones would get stuck in your sandals. Everyone walked those roads, which left their feet dusty, bruised or cut from those stones. That is why we see Jesus washing feet, our feet, the feet of his disciples, then and now.

Life is a journey along different roads, different paths, which leave their mark on us.


We know in faith that Jesus seeks us out; he wants to heal our wounds, to soothe our feet, which hurt from traveling alone, to wash each of us clean of the dust from our journey. He doesn't ask us where we have been. He doesn't question us what about we've done -- about what we've done. Rather, he tells us, unless I wash your feet, you have no share with me. Unless I wash your feet, I will not be able to give you the life which the Father always dreamed of, the life for which he created you.

Jesus comes to us so that he can restore our dignity as children of God. He wants to help us to set out again, to resume our journey, to recover our hope, to restore our faith and trust. He wants us to keep walking along the paths of life, to realize that we have a mission and that confinement is not the same thing as exclusion.

Life means getting our feet dirty in the dust-filled roads of life and of history. All of us need to be cleansed, to be washed, always. And I am the first among. All of us are being sought out by the teacher who wants to help us resume our journey. The Lord goes searching for us all to give us his hand.

It's painful when we see prison systems which are not concerned to care for wounds, to soothe pain, to offer new possibilities. It is painful when we see people who think that only some others need to be cleansed, purified, and do not recognize that their weariness, pain and wounds are also the weariness, pain and wounds of society as a whole.

The Lord tells us this clearly with a sign. He washes our feet so we can come back to the table, the table from which he wishes no one to be excluded, the table which has been prepared for all of us and to which all of us are invited.

This time in your life can have but one purpose, to give you a helping hand to get back on the right path, to give you a hand to help you rejoin society. All of us are part of that effort; all of us are invited to encourage, help and enable your rehabilitation, your rehabilitation which everyone seeks and desires, inmates and their families, correctional authorities, social and educational programs, a rehabilitation which benefits and elevates the morale of the entire community and of society as a whole.

I would like to encourage you to have this attitude among you and with all other people who are part of this institution, forge opportunities for one another, forge paths, forge new roadways.

All of us have something we need to be cleansed of or purified from -- all of us. May the knowledge of that fact inspire us to live in solidarity, to support one another and seek the best for others.

Let us look to Jesus, who washes our feet. He is the way, the truth and the life. He comes to save us from the lie that says that no one can change, the lie that says that no one can change. He helps us to journey along the paths of life and fulfillment. May the power of his love and his resurrection always be a path leading you to a new life.

And as we are seated now in silence, we ask the Lord to bless us. May God bless you and protect you and make his face shine upon you. And may he grant you peace. Thank you.


BARTIROMO: All right. That was Pope Francis speaking to those inmates. We're going to keep following the Pope's trip and bring it back to you live as -- as the news warrants.

We're with our panel this morning, Ed Rollins, Judy Miller, and Mary Kissel, talking about Hillary Clinton and the latest e-mail developments.

Ed, you made a great point before we went to the Pope. Mary, I want you to jump in here. Because Hillary Clinton made comments about this this morning.

MARY KISSEL, WALL STREET JOURNAL: That's right. She says she's been "as transparent as possible" about her e-mail account. And it's simply a lie, Maria. Nothing she has said so far has turned out to be true.

It was a server for her private e-mail. Now we know it was for government work. She says she's turned over all of the e-mails; then we find out she's deleted 30,000 of them. She claims the state's request was routine. We find out that it was unusual. She says she started using the e-mail account in March; now we find out that she was using it in January of her tender. No classified information -- the inspector general tells us that there is classified information here. Nothing here holds up. And that's why her polls are falling.

ROLLINS: Well, this is a longtime pattern. You have to remember, when she was the first lady and Whitewater was the front and center, she could not find the Rose Law Firm documents.


She was subpoenaed by several congressional committees, by legal -- two years later, she said, "Oh, we found it in the closet of the White House," as if you don't know -- you know, after the thing was...


ROLLINS: And it's the same pattern.

BARTIROMO: The poll numbers have been reflecting this, right? I mean, Joe Biden is not even in the race and there are polls that say that he could beat her.

JUDITH MILLER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Well, he's waiting to see what happens; he may wait too long, but the fact that Bill Clinton had to go on the air today to defend his wife, to say that she's the victim of the media -- it's all our fault. No, Mr. Clinton, I'm sorry, it is not all our fault. It happens to be the fault of the candidate who was the most respected person when she started this campaign, the most respected woman in America, but whose lies and inconsistencies and mis-statements have finally caught up with her.

And that's what's going on here. But to blame the media is vintage Bill Clinton. It's not going to work this time.


KISSEL: Well, you know it's bad...


You know it's bad when Bill Clinton is -- is jumping in, right?

MILLER: Right, the big dog.

KISSEL: You know, that is -- that is a new low.


But -- but Hillary Clinton -- and this is separate and distinct from the job that she did as secretary of state. We're not even talking about that disastrous run.

BARTIROMO: Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, when you look at what's going on with Bernie Sanders and of course Joe Biden as well, you really then feel the impact.

ROLLINS: If you would have taken the weakest member of the Senate and said he's going to go out and give her a full-scale run for her money, Bernie Sanders, a back-bencher, a socialist candidate, and he's given her everything -- she's ahead now and New Hampshire -- shows the vulnerability that's there.

BARTIROMO: And, of course, this, with Bernie Sanders wanting 92 percent tax rates.

Let me get your take on John Boehner and the resignation.

ROLLINS: Big story, obviously, and I'm not shocked by it. John, I think, was tired of the battle. I think the timing of it is what shocked everybody. In a way, it's good for the Republicans because they're going to pick a new leader. They're going to have a real fight here in the next couple weeks to decide who that's going to be. I mean, Kevin McCarthy is the obvious choice -- that's the number two guy -- but he had better make a lot of concessions to the conservatives; otherwise he won't last very long, either.

BARTIROMO: What do you think, Judy?

MILLER: I think this shows that there's a kind of full-fledged civil war within the Republican Party. I noticed that Bobby Jindal, when he was asked about what happened, said "Mitch McConnell is next," referring to the Senate. They -- the Tea Party intends to take down the leadership. I think that bodes very ill for Republicans.

KISSEL: I think it shows there's a faction of the party that wants gimmicks and stunts and doesn't actually want to accomplish anything.

Let's be clear. John Boehner did have accomplishments in a very difficult time for his speakership, the sequester, a major accomplishment, big fall in government spending as a percentage of GDP; the expiry of the Export/Import Bank, trade promotion authority, limited entitlement reform.

It's simply not true to say John Boehner didn't do anything or John Boehner wasn't a conservative. He absolutely was, but Republicans have to understand that they will not accomplish major reform with President Obama in the White House. That's how our system of government works. You have to take back the White House...


KISSEL: ... and keep Republican control of Congress.

ROLLINS: At the end of the day -- I don't disagree with any of that, and John Boehner's been a friend of mine for a long, long time, and I have great respect for him. He was not what they needed today. It was a whole different Congress. And he could not count and figure out who those dissidents were and he couldn't please them.

And at the end of the day, all the things you talked about were great for the president, maybe great for the business community, but to the hard-core conservatives out there, they were not positive things.

BARTIROMO: Yeah, and not to mention -- but he did protect people from higher taxes. He pushed back on Obama policies...

ROLLINS: He did, he did.

BARTIROMO: ... I guess as much as he could.

Let's take a short break and then look at the one thing to watch that's most important for the week ahead. We're watching "Sunday Morning Futures." We're back in a moment.


BARTIROMO: We're back with our panel, looking at what's most important. You're looking at the meeting between Putin and Obama, Judy?

MILLER: I certainly am. I want to see whether or not we're going to have an Iranian/Syrian deal between those two very powerful men.

BARTIROMO: Mary, what's most important?

KISSEL: GOP leadership battle: Does Kevin McCarthy win the day? And if so, what kind of policy direction is he going to set for the party?

BARTIROMO: Ed Rollins?

ROLLINS: Obviously, this is a big week for the U.N. up here and we'll see if the president steps up and if he can compete on the stage with Putin and with Premier (sic) Xi.

BARTIROMO: All right. Great to have you all. Thank you so much.

And tomorrow, big interview on "Mornings With Maria" on the Fox Business Network. I'll be talking with Jeb Bush. I'll also be talking with Eric Cantor and Madeleine Albright. Join us.

That will do it for "Sunday Morning Futures" today. I'm Maria Bartiromo. Tomorrow, "Mornings with Maria" is from 6 a.m. to 9 a.m. Eastern on the Fox Business Network Here's where to find FBN. Have a great Sunday, everybody.

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