This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 24, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Meghan McCain and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."
You're looking live at New York's JFK airport where Pope Francis is about to touchdown for the second leg of a three-city tour. When he lands, he'll make his way to Saint Patrick's Cathedral, where he'll holding evening prayer. The pontiff made history today, becoming the first pope to address the U.S. Congress. He covered issues from immigration to poverty to marriage. He didn't mention abortion by name, but he did touch on the issue of protecting human life.
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POPE FRANCIS: The golden rule also reminds us of our responsibility to protect and defend human life at every stage of its development.
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BOLLING: The pope released in its cyclical earlier this year on climate change. Here's what he said on that topic, earlier today.
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POPE FRANCIS: Common good also includes the environmental challenge we are undergoing, and each human roots concern and effect (inaudible). I have no doubt that the United States and this Congress has an important role to play.
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BOLLING: For more on the address, we're joined by Fox News Contributor Father Jonathan Morris. Now father, you were there -- you're anticipating it, now you heard it -- your thoughts?
FATHER JONATHAN MORRIS, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: You know I was impressed by the tone and the respect of a message to the United States Congress. He started off by saying the land of the free, the home of the brave. He talked about the great things of the United States. He talked about the, also the -- not only the goodness of business, but also of the possibility using wealth for the good. He talked about the -- Abraham Lincoln and his push for freedom and liberty. Yes, he also talked about climate change. He also talked about the defense of human life from every single stage. You know, he is not an American. He comes from a very different perspective, but I can tell you he's learned a lot. And even these two or three days, I think his speech represents that.
BOLLING: There's he said, "Do your job in the image of God," he told lawmakers. What is that mean?
MORRIS: Well, it means that you have a conscience. And the image of God meaning your reason, your heart can connect to know what you should do and just do it. And I think he knows that he's talking to not just Catholics, but other Christians and non-Christians and believers and non-believers. Now he is saying, "Do what you know you should do."
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: You know father, the expectations, perhaps, the people had with him coming and the message that he might relay. So far, how do you think this trip has measured up?
MORRIS: You know, I don't think he's interested in polls so much. He's interested in preaching the gospel. This is the ultimate -- he is the ultimate outsider. Right now, in American politics we're, like all fascinated -- we're fascinated by outsiders because they're doing well. You think of Trump, you think of Bernie Sanders, you think of others. This man never thought he would be pope. He never tried to be pope. He never -- he's never been to the United States of America. He never did the tour that some cardinals do in order to be known all around the world, so that they might get elected pope. He never did that. He was 76-years-old when he was elected pope. He must feel so uncomfortable standing there in front of Congress and the Senate. He was much more comfortable going and visiting the homeless that he did right after that, he's being with 200. So I don't know if he sees this as a success, not success, he just said, "I am doing what I think I should do."
BOLLING: Greg?
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: You know, as you know, father, I've been critical of the pope.
MORRIS: Yes. We got in a fight two days ago, remember that?
GUTFELD: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm sorry I punched you.
MORRIS: Yes.
GUTFELD: But I -- I saw something very positive, so I wanted to comment on it. He said early on -- it was like the first five minutes, he said, "The elderly are a storehouse of wisdom." And I thought this was interesting because I feel like in this day in age, we're experiencing and epidemic of ageism, where old people are being constantly painted as reactionary or bigotry or out of touch. And I thought it was kind of nice that he -- actually, went out and said that "You cannot forget these are the people that credited the medicines and fought the wars and made the technologies that are enabling the young people to denigrate the elderly." So I thought that was a very positive message.
MORRIS: Now I think that's surprisingly sensitive of you.
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GUTFELD: All right, now the criticism. All right.
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GUTFELD: Probably, the pope.
MORRIS: No, honestly, I agree with you. And the older we get, the more like compassion we have towards the elderly.
GUTFELD: Yeah.
MORRIS: Do you agree?
GUTFELD: I agree. And I think we also have a tendency, each generation to denigrate the elderly as though -- like Sarah Silverman said that the only smart people are in college, that old people just don't know anything.
MORRIS: That's dumb.
GUTFELD: Yeah. It's dumb. And I think it's nice to hear that. It was refreshing.
BOLLING: By the way, when we see the airplane, we're going to take that live. But in the meantime, go ahead, Juan.
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, you know I thought -- did you see when he came out, the pope came out on the portico of the Capitol to waive at the crowds out of them all and he said, "For you who don't believe" and I thought, hey, he's talking to Greg Gutfeld. And he said, "At least wish me well." You know, "If you don't believe, at least wish me well." And I thought he's speaking to you, Greg. He's talking to you. He's must be watching The Five.
GUTFELD: We spoke earlier about this. I do have a ticket to the mass leader. By the way, this is made from a tree.
BOLLING: He did that quite often, though. He asked children to pray for him. He asked everyone to pray for him.
WILLIAMS: No, no. He -- come on, he pray -- he said.
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WILLIAMS: For the children.
BOLLING: Father?
MEGHAN MCCAIN, GUEST CO-HOST: Can I ask the question about his narrative, though, yesterday because he spoke and asked people to refrain from, quote, "Harsh and divisive language" that does not benefits the pastor. He urged bishops to do that. I went to an all-girls Catholic school.
MORRIS: Yup.
MCCAIN: Do you think he's referencing sort of, the damning to hell, you know, I didn't have the best experience at Catholic school.
MORRIS: He's about to land.
BOLLING: Yeah.
MORRIS: I think he's going tell us. I think he's gonna tell us right now.
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BOLLING: Hold that answer, father, because we're gonna go -- we're hearing the pope is now arriving in New York City. Shep Smith is following his travels from the news jet -- news deck, Shep?
SMITH: The news jet, I like it.
BOLLING: Yeah.
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BOLLING: It's called by the way, Shepherd One, by the way. Did you know that?
SMITH: Yeah, but they -- he spell it differently.
BOLLING: OK.
SMITH: He's actually leading his flock and all of us.
GUTFELD: But the Lord is my Shepherd.
SMITH: I shall not want.
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BOLLING: How are you, Shep?
SHEPARD SMITH, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Thanks guys. We'll get back to "The Five," just -- we don't want to miss this. The pope landing in New York City where there is a lot on the agenda, and a big crowd waiting for him out there. About a thousand people, I'm told. I was just watching as New York City's finest, the police were there on the rope lines, really the barricades handing out bottles of water to people. It's uncharacteristically warm for this time of year in New York City, and just as it was in Washington yesterday, just gorgeous blue skies, cloud-free almost. And they had an easy trip in from Washington. One of my brilliant producers, and I mean that sincerely, was telling me a minute ago that the jet was flying at only 9600 feet and joggling was it 340 knots -- 350 knots. Regular jet -- if you and I were flying on a regular jet from Washington. You know, you can't go that fast, 250 is the ceiling above 10,000 feet or should I say below 10,000 feet, but Shepherd One can apparently go faster than that, if they want to. They got a little behind in Washington for the same reason they've been getting behind every time.
Not because the schedule was off, far from it. They've been on perfect time except the pope tends to want to greet people. They tell us it's his favorite thing and he's done it repeatedly. You'll notice he's flying in on American airlines jet. The Vatican rented that for his travels while in the United States. He'll go back on air Alitalia. Listen to the crowds out there.
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SMITH: The crowds sound suspiciously like a jet, don't they? And this is the line where the cops were passing out the water bottles a moment ago. And these are the Vatican flags that the kids are waiving. You'll notice members from the archdiocese from New York, (inaudible) traditional greetings and the pope will be arriving there just in a few minutes. Give you a little tick tock -- wheels are down, the pope has landed. Shepherd One has landed in New York City and we're all better for it. I'll tell you about what New York City look like in just moments in a few minutes, in case you're interested. For those of you who live across the country and around the world, actually watching us now, everybody loves to see New Yorkers suffer. And there many are at this moment and you'll delight in it. And I'll tell you about it in just a minute.
Timothy Cardinal Dolan of course is the current archbishop of New York. The archdiocese of New York is home to 2,613,000 registered Catholics across 296 parishes down considerably, from just the year 2014, but a robust catholic population here in the five burrows. And according to the information from the Public Relations Research Institute, 36 percent, and the New York metropolitan region residents are Catholic. Think of that, there are 8 million people in the city proper, depending on how what you consider to be the metropolitan area, something around 20 to 25 million in the greater New York City area, 36 percent of all residents in the greater metropolitan area are Catholics. Especially, large proportions of Catholics on Long Island, 45 percent in Nassau, 48 percent in Suffolk County, those are two of the counties out there on Long Island, unless you count Queens in there too, if you -- you get technically, but the two big counties out there except Queens, and they're close to 50 percent Catholic.
Anyway, the pope is going to be making his way to New York City in just a few minutes. He'll be greeted here at John F. Kennedy airport by his -- by the faithful and then we'll take a helicopter into New York City. And speaking of New York City, I don't know if we can split screen what's happening now in Midtown versus what we're seeing in John F. Kennedy and the producers will probably gonna hate me in there because they weren't expecting that, they already hate me, but they're getting a split screen up -- and there it is. On the right hand side of your screen that is in front of our building here at 1211 Avenue (inaudible), Sixth Avenue between 5th and 6th street -- between 47th and 48th street, and that's our Radio City Music Hall there on the right. And if you look in that intersection there, just in front of Radio City Music Hall, you'll see a big dump truck that is filled with sand. All of the cross streets in midtown are closed. You'll note this van as you want to go straight there, cannot. Because all of the streets are closed off, nothing but pedestrians. I don't believe pedestrians are allowed to go down the cross street, either. If you look to the right and kept looking, that will be Fifth Avenue. That's where all the high-end shops are, Fifth Avenue shopping. All of them are closed. There's an 8-foot high fence all along Fifth Avenue. It is the tightest security I've ever seen in New York City. And the secret service tells us this is the tightest security for any event in the history of the United States. A dramatic contrast to what you would see on Rome on any given day, if you going to have -- go for an audience with the pope. In Vatican Square, you would walk through Rome and you wouldn't go through a metal detector. You would just mosey on with a coffee and a slice, if you so choose because there's no security for this sort of thing. There's minimal security, I know there are random checks and that sort of thing, but certainly, nothing like we're witnessing here in New York City. If they're watching us in Rome and across Italy, this hour and the late evening hours in Italy, they've probably would be amused by the amount of security that set up here. The last thing we could have is any mistakes. A national security event, this is. The New York City police have been preparing for close, as long as they've known about it many, many months. And New Yorkers have been warned about the arrival of the pope for weeks now. If you listen to our 24-hour radio stations, (inaudible) and 880 here or watch the local news on New York 1 or any of the rest, the first thing that they'll be telling is, don't try to drive around in New York. It's absolutely going to be impossible. They've cut off Federal Express and UPS deliveries for the next couple of days. New York City is largely on lock down. Tell commuting was the word of the day in Washington yesterday. They were so concerned about traffic in Washington and crowding on the subway station. Went to dinner with some friends in Washington last night, the city was the easiest day of travel they've ever seen in Washington. Arman and Anna (ph) said that you can get on and off the train and go just about anywhere you wanted. You can hail a cab on a moment's notice. There were no traffic jams and a perfect blue day, and just amazing in Washington. And on the way for work for me today, here in New York, after traveling back from Washington. Same thing, coming up Sixth Avenue just clear sailing, like a major holiday, but the shut downs were coming and they did just about 1 o'clock this afternoon as they began closing down New York to make way for the leader of the Catholic church.
Quoting now, a statement from the governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo, on the arrival of the people's pope, and I'm quoting, "It's a tremendous honor to welcome Pope Francis to New York State, both in his teachings and his travels around the globe. Pope Francis has inspired countless people to live with kindness for one another, to reach out for help and help those who are in need. These are ideals that are also deeply entwined in the spirit of New York and I, the governor, writing, am honored that the Holy Father is including our state in his first trip to United States. On behalf of all New Yorkers," the governor says, "I am proud to receive him to receive him with open arms and I hope that his visit will be peaceful and rewarding. As we all do." So we're expecting that the taxi won't take long. They pretty much cleared the deck out at John F. Kennedy airport. You know anything about the place, about this time a day that the international flights are getting revved up to head out, and there's so many heading in domestically from around the country. Air traffic in the New York City area is notoriously awful this time of day with five airports in the region and so much traffic in and out, but they have things spinning today. We were imagining earlier, as he was taking off from Washington, the flight attendant or from the cockpit, the pilot coming on and saying, "We're number 32 for takeoff." They didn't hear that. Shepherd One took off with ease and landed with ease in New York City even got to speed along the way. So they're taxiing along the labyrinth of runways at JFK, and you've see two helicopters here. This is the same way the president rolls, really. And there are always two marine ones, so you don't know which helicopter the president is going to be taking. But I've just gotten word that the reason for this taxi is, aha! Shepherd One was stalled behind a Delta Airlines jet somewhere along the way, so somebody didn't get the message, but now they're coming into view for all to see. Let's listen as the friends and family are standing by out at JFK to welcome the pontiff.
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SMITH: The taxi is on and the greeting will happen shortly. There are bands on scene and lots of kids, as you might imagine. The pope scheduled to arrive at 5 o'clock, so it's not behind very much at all. He is to stay at the Nuncio's Residence on East 72nd Street near Fifth Avenue. If there's a (inaudible) or address in New York City then East 72nd and Fifth, I'm hard pressed to think of it. This is a spot right on Manhattan's museum row where Pope Benedict and Paul stayed during their New York City visit. And frankly, I was a little surprised to hear this. You know the president -- the pope abandoned the normal papal digs, the palace there and he stays in a fairly modest, by anybody's standards hotel room. But here in New York City, this is where he's going to stay, and I think, largely, it's for security reasons. All the streets around there will be heavily patrolled. As I mentioned, Fifth Avenue, with an 8-foot tall fence lining in never seen anything like that, cross streets with no travel. Around the papal Nuncio's Residence, all the roads there will be closed for varying periods of time from now, for the next couple of days. On the agenda tonight, in an hour and a half evening prayer (inaudible) at Saint Patrick's Cathedral, which the pope will find to be sparkling. Our religion correspondent, Lauren Green mentioned earlier, she never realized it was a shining white. We always thought it was gray because it has been cleaned up to the tune of $173 million of renovations and we welcome the pope with open arms. If you've never been to Saint Patrick's, you know, you probably know you can just walk up at any time, light a candle and enjoy the splendor of that magnificent building. Tonight, about 500 people will wait Pope Francis on his steps and another 2500 inside, including priests and heads of the Catholic organization here in United States. Our mayor here in New York City, Bill de Blasio and our Governor Andrew Cuomo will attend. A lot of papal visit to Saint Patrick's in the past. Francis' visit will mark the fifth time a pope has entered that cathedral. The first, October 11th of 1936, the papal secretary of state celebrated the mass then in '36 and three years later, cardinal became Pope Pius the 12th. He is there for reckoned by some accounts to have been the first pope to set foot in Saint Patrick's Cathedral.
Eighteen minutes past 5 o'clock in New York City. Sun coming down, but still really warm. The giants will kick it off about 8:30 tonight on Thursday night, football in the Meadowlands, so there's a lot of activity in the city, and so, so difficult to get around. They're expecting game time temperatures in the early 70s. In late September in New York, it's just incredible what this month has been like. Sunny and warm, and many cases, warmer in New York City than it has been in the south, but today, the word on the street has been, that the Pope has brought the perfect days with him. Chamber of Commerce is in two cities. And certainly, Philadelphia will come welcoming the pope and shined up and glistening and as beautiful as they can be. The crowd is starting to welcome as the steps roll up to the jet, and this should be quite a thing. We've gotten used to the bands and the kids down in Washington, and we're expecting that to be much the same here in New York City. Listen.
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SMITH: This is happening. The president of China just landed at Andrews Air Force Base, I should say, Joint Base Andrews, for best what they call it now because it's -- and there it is, on the right-hand side of your screen. The Chinese president arriving, so what a day it's been in Washington. The pope takes off and the leader of China arrives. Little bit different tone and tenor with the president of China. There are some tricky subjects to discuss with the Chinese president, oh, to be a fly on the wall after the Chinese have hacked into our computers and causing some world economic problems. One of our guests just yesterday said the president can tell Chinese leader, "Look, you need to straighten up and fly right or we'll take your economy." Of course, it's not quite as simple as that. They happen to own a little bit of our debt, but so much to discuss, a big state dinner coming there. And we'll see how they present themselves, at least to the public. Here in New York City, this is a Boeing 777. It's taxiing to ramp south of hanger 19. The pope to be greeted by Bishop Dimarzio and 200 immediate persons, no remarks planned, but they'll be a mic there. There -- it seems every time there were no remarks planned, think earlier today, there were no remarks planned when he came to the speakers -- to the speaker's window, they are at the Capitol, but the vice president suggested the pope, "Would you like to bless the people?" And he did. He blessed those that attended, especially the children. And then the vice president said, "They love you. We all love you." And the pope went about his way and certainly greeted people on the rope line. So it's possible that we'll hear from him now. There's no way to know for sure as the secret service has remarked, not complained, but remarked throughout. You can tell the president, no, you cannot tell the pope no and they have not.
Chopper is to be wheeled up six minutes ago, so they're a little bit behind, but the chopper will make its way to one of the heliports here in New York City. And the motorcade to the park, later tonight, 19:45, as they talk in military time, 7:45 Eastern Time to go to the papal Nuncio's in East on 72nd street. And of course, there are a lot of events between now and then. It's incredible that the pope will be giving 18 speeches in three days. He's 78-years-old, and though, he seems to slow down in the quiet times, that the pace of his walk lessens whenever he's around people, especially children. His head comes up, his gait quickens, and the smile is broad and ear to ear. We were watching as they were leaving in Washington. All the cute little kids, one particular with beads in her hair taking pictures with the pope. He lays his hands on her head and blesses her. And it was just fantastic to see all those happy kids and sort of an escape from the rigors of life for us to (inaudible). And here he is.
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SMITH: Timothy Cardinal Dolan welcoming the pope. You already see, just a moment ago, you already see a little bit more of a New York attitude here. A little bit more swagger than we're used to see down in Washington. It's funny to me because every time you land on a plane and you sort of feel it in New York. I love it. You have to get to know him, but. Right behind him is the translator we've been listening to throughout and they've been joined at the hip. The pope admits that his English is not what he would like for it to be. It's his third language, but he was very impressive today before Congress. He hate to told us that he had practiced the four different speeches or audiences, whatever you choose to call it, the four that he would deliver in English had practiced them repeatedly, as he wanted to make sure that his message was delivered properly. Too much -- obviously, he's much more comfortable in Spanish and he has delivered many of his remarks in Spanish and we'll hear in New York City, as well.
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SMITH: Love the song. The truth is he's made it everywhere. A little bit of narcissism on display, but fantastic song. And now the rope line, I bet there will be a lot of little kids. Let's listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Holy Father!
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SMITH: We're off script now. We thought he was going to get into that car right there, which I thought was going to take him over to the helicopter, but maybe he's walking to a microphone. Only the Pope knows for sure what the Pope is going to do.
How about that when they handed him a doll of himself? Incredible the way people are just drawn to him. And now, apparently, he's walking to the helicopter. So the Holy Father will take the helicopter ride from John F. Kennedy Airport in the borough of Queens seven, eight miles, I guess, as the crow flies, not too far, into Manhattan and away he goes.
And it'll be a short ride there on the chopper and into the city.
I mentioned the items on the agenda tonight. Vespers at about 6:45 Eastern. Tomorrow is a huge day. After speaking to our Congress yesterday, in the morning the Pope is to address the General Assembly of the United Nations. So we have not only the leader of the Catholic Church in New York City, but the 170 world leaders set to attend the 70th anniversary of the United Nations General Assembly.
And he will speak to the most leaders, it's my understanding, ever gathered, even at the United Nations. So an incredible audience tomorrow.
In addition to addressing the Assembly, he'll have bilateral meetings with the secretary-general and the president of the General Assembly and participate in a sort of town-hall gathering with United Nations staff.
So the Pope, who seems never to sleep, will address 170 world leaders tomorrow. The Pope in New York City, and we welcome him.
We'll have continuing coverage throughout the night. We'll follow him around the city. The Pope will be able to move about Manhattan in a way that no Manhattanite can. They will interrupt subway lines. Traffic will be changed at 72nd Street on the Upper East Side where he's staying. Traffic will be intermediately [SIC] -- intermittingly shut off. And he'll be staying at the 11,000-square-foot, five-story residence at 72nd and Fifth Avenue. It will be fantastic.
And away he goes. I don't want to take too much time away "The Five." I know they're chomping at the bit. Eric -- Eric Bolling, who I'm told goes to church every single day at the church right around the corner. Eric, the pontiff is in town. Nice, isn't it?
BOLLING: Amen, Shepard. And every single day except Saturday, five days a week here and then Sunday.
SMITH: Sunday football?
BOLLING: No. Not football. Thank you very much. Thank you.
GUTFELD: By the way, why is Shep getting out the Pope's address?
SMITH: It was written here on the sheet of paper.
GUTFELD: I think that's very, very dangerous.
SMITH: Well, it will be well-protected, I think.
GUTFELD: I hope so. For your sake.
SMITH: That's my fault. Right, Father?
GUILFOYLE: I know, right?
BOLLING: All right. We'll take it from there, Shepard. Thank you very much.
OK, Meghan, we cut you off before the Pope landed.
MCCAIN: Oh, I just wanted to ask you, Father Dodson (ph), if you think that the Pope is sort of modernizing Catholicism. I know he's not without his controversies. But some of the things he's talking to, like I said, refraining from harsh and divisive language.
I went to Catholic school. There was a lot of harsh and divisive language when I was at Catholic school. And I love the idea of a more inclusive Pope.
MORRIS: It's interesting. I think that -- first of all, to think that a 78-year-old is modernizing anything is pretty amazing.
GUTFELD: That's ageist.
MORRIS: Yes, you're right.
MCCAIN: He's right here.
MORRIS: It kind of is, right?
GUILFOYLE: We're going to forgive you.
GUTFELD: I'm not.
MORRIS: What I mean by it is very simply, that at 78 years old, he's not trying to figure out what's exactly going on with pop culture, how can I modernize this, what's my strategy? But simply, like, let's get back to the basics. You know, and maybe that's modernizing, to your point. Let's get back to the basics. Let's love each other. Let's decide to do what we know we should do, and let's do that together. That's pretty modern, I think. I don't know.
WILLIAMS: I think that's why the conservatives are a little bit like not sure about this Pope. Right? Because he's not orthodox. And even today when he's talking to Congress, the heroes he's mentioning are people like Thomas Merton, right? Dorothy Day, right? I mean, these are people he's talking about...
GUTFELD: Abe Lincoln. Who was a Republican.
WILLIAMS: Yes, he did talk about...
BOLLING: And Martin Luther King.
GUTFELD: Who was a Republican.
WILLIAMS: So, you know, and he's saying to the people in Congress that are blocking everything up, "Hey, stop it."
MORRIS: Well, you said because he's not orthodox. I would disagree with that. What is orthodox? What he has said is, "Hey, I'm just following what the church has taught." But he's doing it in a different way. So I wouldn't say he's not orthodox. I would say he is unusual.
WILLIAMS: What does that mean, then?
GUILFOYLE: Somebody get your thesaurus.
MCCAIN: Less judgmental? Would you say that? Like, more loving, more inclusive, less judgmental?
MORRIS: Well, yes. But it doesn't mean he doesn't have strong opinions, that he's not judgmental about certain things. It's just saying, "I'm not judging souls."
MCCAIN: When he goes on Twitter with me, I'm down with that. I like him.
GUTFELD: People -- I think there's a confusion here. People are thinking that he's a palate cleanser of, like, some kind of political division. I think it's a palate cleanser against current pop culture. That what he's doing is he's standing at -- and looking at the way our culture is headed in terms of superficiality. The fact that -- I don't know, that MTV and the way he looks at the world, that maybe he's trying to create a better world from that perspective. Which is good.
GUILFOYLE: But that is good. So he's trying to spread a message of unity and inclusiveness and people opening up their hearts and trying to live their lives in the mirror image of Christ, which is don't make it about you; make it about other people and give back. Serve and do good deeds.
MORRIS: There's a disregard for public decency is what I'm getting at. And I think maybe that's something. And we all fall into it. But I think what he does is interesting, is he says, "My job is to be a bridge builder. Dialogue, dialogue, dialogue." But then politicians sometimes have to make tough decisions, like stopping ISIS. And he's told the international community also do that. If it's an unjust aggression and that's the only way to stop it.
BOLLING: Father, I hate to cut you off, but we're up against a hard break. Thank you very much, Father Morris.
Ahead, we'll turn to another religious leader. Some controversial remarks from the Dalai Lama next.
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GUTFELD: You know who loves the pope's visit? Another holy man, whose controversial comment got overshadowed by the pope's historic arrival. Roll it, Clyde:
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DALAI LAMA, RELIGIOUS LEADER: If female Dalai Lama come [SIC], then that female must be very attractive, otherwise not much use.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're joking.
DALAI LAMA: No. Not joking. I mean, it's true.
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GUTFELD: I love it.
GUILFOYLE: What?
GUTFELD: So the Dalai Lama just said in an interview that, if a woman succeeds him, she must be attractive otherwise, it is not much use. And he wasn't kidding.
But of course, he's wrong. There are plenty of homely people who have achieved great things: Socrates, Abe Lincoln, Beethoven. But as always, this invites the game I like to call "What would happen if you said that" or anyone who isn't the Dalai Lama?
Fact is, the media picks and chooses outrages depending on alliances and current cultural trends. The Dalai Lama can get away with something a Christian leader can't, because he's cool, as is Tibetan Buddhism.
It's not just icons but also ideology, which is why the media seems very, very comfortable yakking about the pope's radical climate change beliefs more so than Planned Parenthood dispensing baby body parts. That story only creates discomfort, especially for the guilt-ridden media. And as usual, reporters will claim that climate change is a moral issue, but baby butchering? No, that's a political one.
But the Dalai Lama's words reveal also about a politically incorrect truth about the simple biological imperatives of man. That holy or not holy, an 80-year-old man is still an 80-year-old man. And even with the robes and stature, we're all just suckers for a pretty face.
K.G., great thing about being an 80-year-old, you can say whatever you want!
GUILFOYLE: OK. Well...
GUTFELD: Who can get mad at him?
MCCAIN: I'll get mad at him.
GUILFOYLE: You're going to get mad at him?
MCCAIN: I'll get mad at him.
GUILFOYLE: I just think, though, he meant it that -- meaning somebody who is charismatic...
GUTFELD: OK.
GUILFOYLE: ... that draws people in. And did you hear what he said about...
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BOLLING: He said it.
GUILFOYLE: That's what I'm saying.
GUTFELD: Persona.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, the persona of the Dalai Lama.
MCCAIN: That's what you think?
GUILFOYLE: Listen, he's getting a pass right now from me on this whole thing. But maybe that's -- I'm hoping that's what he's referring to. That he's saying somebody that could be compelling, charismatic, draw in people to the message, and perhaps that is a little bit of the media.
MCCAIN: All the years of meditation and this is how enlightened he is about women? What, does he want Pamela Anderson to be the next Dalai Lama?
GUILFOYLE: Perhaps.
MCCAIN: Who is doing P.R. for the Dalai Lama? I don't get it. I don't think this is funny. I think it's weird. But I'm not Buddhist, so...
WILLIAMS: I think the women of the world should be like, "Dude, look at you."
GUILFOYLE: He thinks he's attractive.
WILLIAMS: Oh, he does?
GUILFOYLE: He said, "Some people think. Look at my face." Isn't that what he said?
GUTFELD: I think it's good-natured. He's humorous. And I will add to this, he did say that women biologically are more compassionate. He added that, as well. And therefore, they would be good in the role as his successor.
MCCAIN: We better hope the next Dalai Lama is smoking hot. Otherwise, people aren't going to...
GUILFOYLE: But you know what? Look at Mother Theresa. Look at Mother Theresa.
GUTFELD: Yes. Well, I'm not even going to comment. Eric.
BOLLING: A lot of times, so quick (ph).
Do you remember a couple -- wasn't it a year ago -- we're out of time so quick -- do you remember like a year ago that a reporter went, and he interviewed the Dalai Lama and he made a pizza joke and it fell flat?
GUTFELD: Yes.
BOLLING: Stop interviewing the Dalai Lama.
MCCAIN: Yes.
BOLLING: Nothing good comes from these things.
GUTFELD: But he's the pope to a lot of people.
GUILFOYLE: We just got a segment out of it.
BOLLING: Do you honestly think he was -- is there a chance he was joking about this?
WILLIAMS: No, he said he wasn't.
GUTFELD: I think he was serious, but he's a light-hearted man.
GUILFOYLE: He goes, "Yes, it's true."
MCCAIN: Was it lost in translation?
BOLLING: Isn't that the exact opposite of what -- what he -- what people aspire him to believe?
GUILFOYLE: Are you bummed out?
GUTFELD: All right. They're shouting (ph) at me.
All right. Coming up, Hillary Clinton just sat down for another hard- hitting interview, this time with actress Lena Dunham. The highlights next. Yay!
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MCCAIN: There was a time when Hillary Clinton was barely doing any interviews. Now she's everywhere in hopes to repair her damaged image. In her newest sit-down, she's trying to reach out to the female millennial voters alongside girl -- alongside "Girls" creator Lena Dunham.
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LENA DUNHAM, ACTRESS/WRITER: Do you consider yourself a feminist?
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Yes, absolutely. I'm a little bit puzzled when any woman whatever age, but particularly a young woman says something like, and you've heard it, something like, "Well, I believe in equal rights but I'm not a feminist." Well, a feminist is, by definition, someone who believes in equal rights.
I'm hoping that people will not be afraid to say that doesn't mean you hate men. It doesn't mean that you want to separate out the world so that you're not, you know, part of ordinary life. That's not what it means at all. It just means that we believe women have the same rights as men.
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MCCAIN: Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. Listen, I don't know. She became another -- it was like watching "Sibyl." Like different personalities, but they all are joined together on the starship by the cackle, by the laugh.
I don't even know what that was. I don't know if she was kind of pandering to be cool to Lena Dunham. And who's -- where is this moving the ball? I don't get it.
MCCAIN: I can't handle this. I'm going to say something. I know we're going around the table, but the problem with feminism with young millennial women is there's a lot of pro-life young women out there, and the feminist movement is all tied up in abortion and Planned Parenthood. And we have these videos out that are talking about fetal organs being trafficked. That's why I don't necessarily want to be wrapped up in the modern feminist movement. So that's the problem right now, Lena and Hillary. And I just had to say that, because it's directed towards millennial young women -- Juan.
WILLIAMS: Well, I'll tell you, though, when you look at the polls, the millennial young women are the ones who are sticking with Hillary Clinton. The one she's losing are older, and especially Republican, church-going conservative women.
MCCAIN: So why do the interview with Lena Dunham?
WILLIAMS: Because she's appealing -- she wants to secure that base. Remember, she has been losing, especially with white women, over the e- mails and the foundation. Is she a liar? Is she trustworthy? When you look at the polls, you see that she's dropping. Republicans are going to - - any Republican woman who was like, maybe she's the first woman president. Not anymore. They don't like it.
GUILFOYLE: Now you have a problem.
BOLLING: So Ed Henry...
GUILFOYLE: Now you have a problem.
WILLIAMS: I have a problem?
GUILFOYLE: Meaning that your team has a problem, Juan.
WILLIAMS: I'm just telling you...
BOLLING: Very quickly, Ed Henry follows Hillary Clinton around. He gets dissed by her left and right. At one point, she said, "You don't deserve a second question, Ed." He asks a question; she makes fun of the questions. Yet she sits down with Lena Dunham, who is shrouded in controversy over the last year, things that you can look up on the Internet, find out if you -- if this is the type of person you'd want your next president to be hanging out with. So I'd say better choices, Hillary.
GUTFELD: Having Hillary being interview by Lena Dunham is like dueling root canals. I can't think of anything -- it's as hard-hitting as a pillow fight.
You know what the weird thing is? Hillary does have something in common with millennials. She will not go to any place that isn't a safe space. That interview was a cocoon. There was no way she was going to get a hard question. But she's still the political equivalent of a Timex -- Times Square Rolex. It's just a cheap knockoff of something sincere.
MCCAIN: And I would love to see Lena Dunham do an interview with Carly Fiorina. If this is what she's doing, please interview a pro-life woman, as well.
"One More Thing" is up next.
GUILFOYLE: You go.
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BOLLING: Time for "One More Thing." K.G.'s up.
GUILFOYLE: Hi. So the other night when I was going home, someone came running up to me; and turned out it was someone very nice, a Secret Service agent. Of course, I will not give his name. But his family watches, and he was part of the Pope's protection detail; and he's also part of the Secret Service K-9 protection unit. I just want to say, it was so incredible to receive this gift. I'm really happy this family enjoys the show.
But you see here is the official challenge coin for the visit of Pope Francis, on the back, as well. And then for the K-9 unit, which is very, very, very cool. Yes. Anyway, I want to thank him very much for the family and thank you for your service.
BOLLING: Gregory.
GUTFELD: Yes. It's time for...
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GUTFELD: Greg's Disgusting News.
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GUTFELD: This is absolutely horrifying. I want -- if you have kids in the room, I want you to have the kids leave before we show you this, because it's shocking. Let's roll this tape.
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(PUPPY CHEWING ON PLUSH ORCA TOY)
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Here we have what is seemingly just an innocent stuffed animal. You have this little puppy here. Look what it's doing to this thing. This is horrible. And then all of a sudden, seemingly forgets that it exists and realizes it's really fun to roll around on the rug.
I am disgusted by this behavior, and I want that dog arrested or impeached. Look at how disgusting that is.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.
BOLLING: Disgusting. We can't look.
All right. A little bit of a turn here. We're going to recognize legendary Major League Baseball catcher, Yogi Berra, who passed yesterday at the age of 90. He was the part of ten championship -- New York Yankee championship teams. Ten. He was MVP for three. So Yogi, it ain't over. Died at 90.
GUILFOYLE: Very nice.
BOLLING: OK. Juan, you're up.
WILLIAMS: I loved Yogi. You know, he'd say some crazy things.
GUTFELD: Like you don't.
WILLIAMS: All right. So I want you to put this one under stuff that you couldn't make it up.
So earlier this month, The New York Times ran an article describing a diner in Russia. Well, on Sunday, they had to run a correction. And let me read the correction to you. "A news announcement last Sunday misstated the name of a cartoon character displayed at the diner. He is Porky Pig, not Porky the Pig."
Oh, thank you, New York Times.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.
WILLIAMS: Porky Pig. Who would call him Porky the Pig?
GUTFELD: Those Russian (ph) restaurants.
GUILFOYLE: What did that have to do with it? Yes.
GUTFELD: You have a problem with Porky the Pig?
WILLIAMS: I see, now you're threatening me.
GUILFOYLE: If so, we poison you.
BOLLING: Journalism. Meghan, you're up.
MCCAIN: All right. My "One More Thing," I'm almost completely finally moved back to New York City. My "One More Thing" is for my soon-to-be sister-in-law Holly, who's completely organized and facilitated my entire move. You are a saint. Thank you very much. She's about to get married to my brother Jimmy. That's in about six months.
GUILFOYLE: Awesome. Welcome to the family.
MCCAIN: Aren't they cute? I love her. She's, like, a saint. She packed up everything and helped me with this so I can do jobs like this.
GUILFOYLE: Welcome to New York City.
GUTFELD: Walking distance from my place.
Getting drunk.
MCCAIN: Getting drunk.
BOLLING: All righty. Juan.
WILLIAMS: Stay away from Greg. Porky Pig of real.
BOLLING: Let's leave it right there. Set your DVRs. Never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" is up next. You're welcome.
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