Inside the Donald Trump phenomenon

He's attracting fanboys and seems impervious to gaffes


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 15, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and she suntan on a Saltine, Dana Perino -- "The Five."

Did you hear Donald Trump gave a speech last night? My unicorn for a montage.



The silent majority is back, and it's not silent. I think we should call it -- maybe we should call it the noisy, the aggressive, the wanting to win, wanting to win majority.

Another great guy is Mark Cuban.

So the debate, I hear they're all going after me, whatever, whatever.

Where is Pastor Jeffress? He's around here someplace.

I love this guy.

By the way, can you see in the back, they have the best view, can you see it's really my hair?

You know who's going to take the place of Trump? Arnold. And he's a friend of mine.

You are going to be -- if I'm elected president -- so proud of your country again.


GUTFELD: Amazing.

So this is the historical first, Republican-style. Forget the first female in Hillary or the first African-American in Obama. No, this historical first is celebrity. Entertainment is the new black. Do this Exercise: Imagine some politician saying what Trump just said. He'd be toast. But Trump has a bubble of immunity. He says, "I'm an entertainer," declaring himself a member of a new identity group that affords a protection. True, it has some drawbacks. It's creepy watching starry-eyed men in the media fawn over him, but who does that remind you of?


CHRIS MATTHEWS, MSNBC: The feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama's speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often.

JEFF ZELENY, THE NEW YORK TIMES: During this first 100 days, what has surprised you the most about this office? Enchanted you the most about certain in this office? Humbled you the most and troubled you the most?

EVAN THOMAS, NEWSWEEK: In a way Obama is standing above the country, above the world, he's sort of God.

LEE COWAN, NBC NEWS: From a reporter's point of view, it's almost hard to remain objective because it's infectious.


GUTFELD: That's bad. So maybe Trump is the right-wing Obama, attracting both fanboys, but impervious to gaffes. How did this happen? Why? To quote the late Andrew Breitbart, "Politics is downstream from culture." Meaning, culture influences politics, not the reverse. And Trump may be that culture candidate. He's the guy from TV, not D.C. His impact flows downstream to politics, so it's less a campaign and more a comedic crusade appealing to the bored and fed up.

Fact is, the right has been a part from culture for so long, that maybe it takes a TV star to build that bridge and speak to the America currently held captive by liberal media and entertainment.

Trump's got problems. He can be crass, repetitious. I wish he would say something deep for once about terrorism. I wish he would read more and riff less. He's a gamble, one that must convince us that he's actually more than just a pretty, red persona. Or not, he could win as is. Well unless, the Dems wise up and run Clooney.

All right, K.G., last night.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: That would put me in a conundrum.

GUTFELD: Yes, because it was you -- if it's George Clooney versus Trump, what do you get -- who are you going to go with?



GUILFOYLE: I won't tell.

GUTFELD: Did you -- what did you make of the speech.

GUILFOYLE: No, I'm kidding, come on.

GUTFELD: Yeah. What did you make of the speech? It was 90 minutes. It was total improvisation. There was no script.

GUILFOYLE: That's a talent in and of itself.

GUTFELD: But it gets repetitious.

GUILFOYLE: If this guy had a TV show, it would be hugely popular and it would be number one. It would be the most amazing. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. He's good at what he does. He's very confident. He's able to develop into this communication style that, yes, is entertaining where people like, not even necessarily are going to criticize him if there aren't many specifics because they feel like he's got the idea, the concept, he's got the energy. He's got a gigantic B-12 shot. You know.


GUILFOYLE: He's has some enthusiasm and people are like, yeah, give America a B-12 shot. Let's do it. Let's like pump up the military, let's do all of it about the economy, make it robust. I think, you know, it's working for him. I'm excited to see the debate.

GUTFELD: Yeah. Eric.

GUILFOYLE: Not as much as the Fox one, but yeah.

GUTFELD: Eric, is it any less stylistic than President Obama? I mean, Obama won on style. Why can't Trump?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: We've been saying at this table, that's what the republicans need. That's what the conservative movement needs, the personality, someone who can embrace culture. This guy.


BOLLING: He's embracing. He gives it a big ole bear hug. He opened that speech. And the first -- and this, he did -- he -- that was masterful last night. He had 18,000 people packed in, in a stadium. It felt like it was -- K.G., we were on the floor of the Republican National Convention in 2012.


BOLLING: And we watched. There was more excitement there that on the floor of the RNC. That night, I'm telling you.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I agree.

BOLLING: So he opens up and says this, "Guess what, guys, first things first. You notice anything?" And it was like -- no teleprompter. Wow. And then it just got better from there. He talked about -- he nailed the four areas that are probably the most hated areas by the general public, politicians -- establishment politicians, the media, President Obama and Wall Street. And he what -- he methodically took them down one at a time. I think he did a very, very huge service to himself. There were a couple of lines that really stuck for me when he said it and he said -- because he delivered it, not because he was delivering a line. He delivered it because he believed it. He said we're sick and tired of what's happening and it's going to change. "Politicians run," he says, "But they give up nothing." Now think about there for a second. When a politician runs for office, he's trying to get a better office. A lot of times they'll go from mayor to congressman to senator and try to run for president. He's saying, "If I don't become president, this was a big waste of time for me" and that really resonated.

PERINO: Wow, I totally disagree. I think if you decide to run for public office, you are actually -- you do give up a lot. You sacrifice, especially if you're working in Congress and you, let's say that your district is in rural Oregon and you've got to travel back and forth, you got to take care to -- a family, two homes. And you sacrifice the ability to work in the private sector. Donald Trump sacrifices nothing because he's always going to be rich, as he has reminded us. So I disagree with that. I do think that people in the audience there, the 15,000, are sort of thinking how could it get any worse in Washington? Maybe we just have something disruptive and try totally -- something totally new. Those of us that work there are sort of thinking, oh, my gosh, they have no idea what it's like you have to deal with the EPA and interior department and they're going to tell you, "Oh, you can't build that because of the ESA and the things" -- and there is so much bureaucracy built into Washington. Huge problem, I'd love to blow it up too. They're mad at the system and the people that are working in the system. They could throw those people out, the system still exists.

GUTFELD: Right. Exactly, somebody has to go in there and still do the same thing. And you will see Donald change, all of a sudden. Juan, he's gonna have to talk about actual issues and specifics. But last night, because there was no script, I found it very repetitious. I heard a lot about China over and over again, but I want depth. I want just something that I can go, wow. He actually has an answer for this.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Wait, wait, wait, why do you want depth? Are you trying to find a reason to like him?

GUTFELD: I want a reason to believe.


GUTFELD: That sounds like a song.

WILLIAMS: I'll tell you, you know what, take a look at those polls out. You know.


WILLIAMS: Those polls give me reason to believe and I'm a great doubter. But I mean the fact is, he's still here, unbelievable. In fact, he seems to be getting stronger as the weather gets cooler. I can't believe it. I thought, I thought he's gonna freeze.

GUILFOYLE: You think like everything has timed. Did it like climate change?

WILLIAMS: Climate change --Thank you, thank you. No.

GUILFOYLE: Climate change is responsible for Donald Trump.

WILLIAMS: But I notice that the establishment republicans are very threatened by your culture warrior, Greg.


WILLIAMS: I mean, club for growth now, big ads in Iowa. All loading up on Trump as not a conservative, as someone who was a liberal.


WILLIAMS: Who took liberal positions, so what does it mean to be a republican? All of a sudden, it doesn't make sense. I mean, Trump is going after Eric skies on Wall Street.

GUTFELD: But you know what it is. What's interesting -- wait, let me, it's important -- is that point. It was interesting is you are having the most ideological component of the Republican Party, supporting the least ideological candidate in history, is what you are saying.

WILLIAMS: Right. He doesn't -- that's why you were looking for a reason to support him, but I don't make you a funny because he doesn't have an ideology, but he does have celebrity.

GUTFELD: But I'm not ideological.

WILLIAMS: Right. OK, but that you said and I think you said it right. You know, smooth as Skippy as they say. I think you got it right. He is a celebrity candidate. I just don't understand why republicans are so tuned into a guy who would go after a war hero like John McCain. I just don't get that.

BOLLING: You know what? It's not what he said.

GUTFELD: Worth at all (ph).

BOLLING: It's the fact that he said it and didn't apologize for. And that was really what's resonating.

WILLIAMS: Is that cool?

BOLLING: Well, I think, here's what kind of is cool to me. We sit here and we worry every single word that comes out of our mouth. And if we say something wrong, we're gonna get take -- we're gonna get yelled at, we're going to get in trouble. There's going to be people protesting out there asking for our jobs and it's not -- half the time, it's something that isn't even that big of a deal. What he's showing is PC, this is -- in other words, we're deathly afraid of being destroyed by the PC police, right? You are too, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Well, I get -- I've been a part of that PC.

PERINO: One lost a job over it.


BOLLING: Exactly.

WILLIAMS: But I'm saying to you Eric is.

BOLLING: And the point is -- and the point is he doesn't care.

GUILFOYLE: But he ended up here.

PERINO: Yeah. He ended up --better.

BOLLING: Stop proving that. Maybe everything isn't as politically incorrect as.


BOLLING: It needs.

WILLIAMS: But Eric, to say that a guy who was in prisoner of war camp is a loser? I mean that's really -- that's offensive.


WILLIAMS: To call people.

BOLLING: You don't have to like what he said.

WILLIAMS: Who's probably said to this country rapists and thieves?

BOLLING: No, no. I'm not.

WILLIAMS: To call a woman.

BOLLING: I'm defending what he said Juan.


BOLLING: I'm not done -- certainly not defending.

GUTFELD: Like what -- can I, can I.

BOLLING: What I'm defending is his willingness to say what's on his mind and not have to apologize for it five days later.

GUTFELD: The middle point in here is you can -- I think what you're saying is a large group of people accepting him words and all. And the words are the McCain comment, the ad comments about Carly and Megyn and sometimes his daughter. These are things that are unusual.

WILLIAMS: Yes, sir.

GUTFELD: But when you become -- when you do -- what you do is, when you go to Eric's point, which is what he's unapologetic and he's honest about his beliefs, then you have to accept words and all. That's - this is the words and all candidate. What's good and what's bad. And he doesn't care.

WILLIAMS: Well, he seems to cover it up with, let's make America great again.


WILLIAMS: Let's be the silent majority. This speaks to your point about, let's say what's on our mind, let's express our anger, but it just strikes me that it's the kind of populist anger at so many people who previously were in the republican camp.

GUTFELD: Yeah. Can I just throw that this -- what's his name? Chris Christie, Remember him?


GUTFELD: He was remembered -- he was the outspoken guy that was in your face a long time ago? This is him on The Kelly File and discussing the coverage of Trump. You go after (ph).



CHRIS CHRISTIE, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I've watched this Jeb Bush, you know, Donald Trump food fight. Let me clue you in on something. Nobody cares. Nobody cares about that. You think anybody around the country who's a middle class family sitting around a kitchen table tonight, worrying about how they're going to pay for their kids' college?


CHRISTIE: They want to see what they're going to do for the country. Not should Jeb be speaking Spanish and is he low energy.

KELLY: You've got to put on more Chris Christie, talking about indictment.

CHRISTIE: Well, that's exactly right. Your ratings will go through the roof, Megyn.


KELLY: You know I wouldn't.

CHRISTIE: Skyrocketing.

KELLY: No, I wouldn't.

CHRISTIE: Surrogate, (ph) skyrocketing. You want ratings? Christie is ratings.


GUTFELD: You know Kimberly, at a point, you can believe him. Because remember, we used to run clips of Christie all the time and it was really entertaining. It's like Christie got outchristied (ph) by Trump.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Well, let see. Like he said, this is, you know, a long road. We're in September. You've got over a year now until will people are gonna have to, you know, push the lever or whatever, the stylus or whatever you've got these days. And so he's going to hang in there.


GUILFOYLE: He's looking at long game and he said that from the beginning. And he's really going after, you know, New Hampshire. But nobody can deny that Donald Trump has still dominated this election, you know, cycle and the air waves and you know, the energy. So let's see what happens.

GUTFELD: Going back to this idea, Dana, as an entertainer, and he said that after the Carly thing. He said, "I'm an entertainer." That -- it's hard to square off with an entertainer as a policy person or politician because you can't say those things and he can.

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: It's just like Barack Obama.

PERINO: I thought that montage was actually very effective. I had sort of forgotten some of that, but it is interesting to watch. Remember when President Obama said he just had gone to 57 states?


PERINO: Or some -- 57 states got seven more to go to, whatever. Something that would have been fatal for a republican candidate, for Obama, the media, was like, oh, you know what he meant.


PERINO: And there was forgiveness there.


BOLLING: Can -- if from this perspective, it looks like, you know, for three -- two and a half months people have said this is a clown show, any minute it's going to explode. It's the summer of Trump. As soon as the weather gets cooler, it's going to all be over. And as Juan points out very accurately, his lead continues to grow. It's his to lose, guys. This is his to lose.

GUTFELD: Well that, it goes back to, is there a gaffe that he hasn't committed yet? That people will finally say enough? I agree with Juan. The thing that always bugged me was the McCain thing. It's just drove me crazy. But I realized, OK. And you know what?

BOLLING: So what it does tell you? If there -- if he can say.

GUTFELD: And if he can say that.

BOLLING: If he can say that and say.


BOLLING: The things he said, and it's not bringing him down and we -- if the thing is.

GUTFELD: What does it say about us?


BOLLING: If you take a shot.


BOLLING: If you take a shot at Trump.

WILLIAMS: Too early.

BOLLING: He goes after, your ratings go down.


BOLLING: Look at them. Look what happens. Anyone who steps up.


BOLLING: And play take shots at Trump, he goes after them and they -- all of a sudden (inaudible).

WILLIAMS: Where is Governor Perry? Where is Jindal? You know, and don't forget, we're talking about Christie. I think Christie is not on the stage.

GUTFELD: Yeah. I know, I know. All right, we've got to move on. Up next, we discuss Russia shipping tanks and offensive weapons into Syria. I kid. It's another block on Trump.

And later, a first look at Greta's exclusive interview tonight, with the sole survivor of last month's on-air shooting in Virginia. Stay tuned.



TRUMP: Nobody is going to be able to do the job that I'm going to do.


TRUMP: Nobody. They won't. Who would you rather have negotiating, Jeb or Trump?


TRUMP: Would you rather have Hillary negotiating? Or would you rather have Trump?




BOLLING: Back now with more on the Trump phenomenon sweeping the country. But let's go to the sound bite. This is Marco Rubio with the political ad out yesterday, trying to make some headway on the frontrunner, watch.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: More nervous before first presidential debate or first college football game?

MARCO RUBIO, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I was more nervous before my first college football game because you were actually going to get hit. It almost gonna hit me at the debate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Harder to recover, Hillary Clinton's e-mails or Tom Brady's text messages?

RUBIO: I think it's been harder to get Hillary Clinton's e-mails and a lot more painful was in those e-mails.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Most important preparation, for a big game or a big speech some?

RUBIO: Make sure that there's water nearby. Like right now.


BOLLING: All right, so Dana, control the poll very quickly. Here's the latest poll that just got released today. Trump 27, Carson moving up, 23. Look down there, Rubio 6 percent. Dana, that ad -- political ad dropped on Monday night, the first Monday night football, you can hear the music in the background. I kind of liked it.

PERINO: I loved it. I thought it was cute. And also it did -- it seemed unscripted. Maybe it wasn't, I don't know. I think maybe the water thing was maybe scripted, but I really like it. Remember, after the first debate and the Fox debate in August, it was largely agreed, conventional wisdom, that Rubio had won that debate. And so I think that the fact that he's been able to at least stay in the 60s, where the others are, while the frontrunners run ahead, I think he's in decent position going into tomorrow might.

GUILFOYLE: He is. She's right. He's in very good position. His companies relax.

BOLLING: He's got them just where he wants them.

GUILFOYLE: He's got.


GUILFOYLE: Right where he wants them. He's very, you know, warm and personable. You know, I saw him in the Hamptons and he was addressing a bunch of people and he's very well versed on national security and foreign policy.

PERINO: Definitely.

GUILFOYLE: You know I love that. Yeah, I think that he's definitely one that is still in there and he could, you know, he could ultimately get it. You never know.

BOLLING: He is not. He has to need that to choose the hail football reference.


BOLLING: The football reference, a Hail Mary pass to stay relevant, to stay in the fight?



BOLLING: Especially with the money, it's going to be an issue.


BOLLING: After this debate, Greg?

GUILFOYLE: Maybe Walker needs one.

GUTFELD: I think it's - I mean the interesting this is.

BOLLING: He might too.

GUTFELD: There's a poll that says what, 65 percent or whatever are still figuring out, they don't know who they're going to pick. We've got to remember, America is not like us. We -- they are not overly ideological. If you aren't wearing a football helmet right now, they're probably not paying attention to you because we saw one -- we saw at one -- the event with Trump, but there were 300 stadiums this weekend filled with people watching football. That's the real American ideology. They're not even paying attention to this stuff yet.

GUILFOYLE: Well that's what Christie was saying to Megyn Kelly.


GUILFOYLE: He's like, listen. Come on, it's like people still haven't made up like 75 percent of the electorate. Who they are going to, you know vote for, so he feels pretty confident that in the end, you know, he could prevail.


BOLLING: What -- have you seen that level of enthusiasm at this point in any race of all the races you've watched, that level over her, 18,000 people that -- (inaudible) fans going crazy for him.

WILLIAMS: There's no political analysis that makes sense of Donald Trump right now, except one point and I'd say it's the anti-immigrant fervor that he has capitalized on, but until terms of what you're talking about, the kind of passion at this point? Remember, campaigns really didn't get going like this until the most recently. But at this point, to fill --you didn't fill American Airlines Arena in Dallas. Like they say you got between 15 and 20, but the kind of passion and energy and then the protests outside. Who has ever seen something like this?

PERINO: I think that you could cut --I think you could go back to 2008, however, and look -- and imagine what Hillary Clinton's team was thinking as they saw Barack Obama gaining on her. And I think.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, it was later, is what I'm saying.


PERINO: And he had those kinds of things. I think for tomorrow night, the most important thing is to lower expectations on yourself and raise the bar for all of your competitors.

WILLIAMS: Well, he's done that, but let me just quickly say that I think this question about how do you break out is the point here. And I think there are some opportunities. Now Rubio, I think he's gonna have a little trouble with the immigration issue because of his vote, previously to try to get.

BOLLING: But you know, that was a big -- last night, there was probably the biggest applause.


BOLLING: When he said, "We've got to fix this immigration."

WILLIAMS: Correct.

BOLLING: "We have to fix illegal immigration."

WILLIAMS: And that's why the protesters (inaudible).

BOLLING: There was a standings ovation.

WILLIAMS: Right. So he -- and that's in Texas, the border state. I'm telling you that this is a much hotter issue than we know. But -- to anyway, breaking out tomorrow night. I don't know that Rubio can go at him on immigration, but I think Carly Fiorina, for example, could ask about you know, you worry about my face, I worry about your hair. Or you could have somebody like.

GUTFELD: Or principles. I worry about your -- the point is


GUTFELD: You don't fight him on that stuff. You go -- you go after my face, I want to know what you believe in.


GUTFELD: You can see my face. I can't see what's in your heart.


GUTFELD: Thank you.

WILLIAMS: And there we go to the doctor.

GUTFELD: You could have that.

WILLIAMS: In fact, they should hire you because they need some lines. They.

GUTFELD: Oh. I have.


WILLIAMS: They need a counter puncher.

GUTFELD: I have what CNN should do immediately tomorrow and out FNC, out FNC. It's your -- it's the -- they should do another raise the question, question at the beginning of the debate, and they go, everybody here raise your question if you believe President Obama was born in the United States.


GUTFELD: Do that question.


GUTFELD: It will be the biggest thing ever.


BOLLING: I will tell you, the Hugh Hewitt, we talked about this last week, the gotcha question that Hugh laid into Donald Trump. He walked that back. Now, if that's any indication of what tomorrow night is going to be like, you may get a different -- first of all, we thought it was going to be this, let -- going after Trump. You may get a little bit of a softer debate than we had hoped for.

PERINO: That is remarkable. I mean in 2000, George Bush was asked, "Can you name the president of Slovenia?"


PERINO: Not really irrelevant, OK? But the head of the Iranian Kurds force, probably someone you should at least may be like aware of. It's like they're chanting death to America. I don't think it was a gotcha question. And in fact, was kind -- this was also was kind of strange is that, there are conservatives who will have said somebody like me, like you're not a real conservative. For 10 years, you're not a real conservative. I can answer the question about that. I guess I know the enemies, but I don't get any credit. Somebody like Trump gets off. He's got free on it.


PERINO: And Hugh Hewitt as seen into your eyes and you walked it back. I think that's amazing.

BOLLING: No, he did. He said it was his fault. He shouldn't have been asked -- he shouldn't have asked Trump that question on his radio program.


BOLLING: Yeah, yeah.

WILLIAMS: Hugh Hewitt backed off on that?

BOLLING: He backed off on the question.

WILLIAMS: Oh, I just want.


BOLLING: No, I'm not making that up.


GUILFOYLE: What? Sounds like, well, I'm just saying.

WILLIAMS: I do. Well, I don't believe it. He said.



WILLIAMS: I just think, why doesn't Bush say to him, "You, you don't speak Spanish, you know, why can't you speak another language. You don't even speak English that well." Why didn't he say that to him?

BOLLING: I don't know.


GUTFELD: The perfect question. You come out with that, it's a great debate.

WILLIAMS: I love that.

GUILFOYLE: Your love is at that right now.

WILLIAMS: I love that.


PERINO: Let's ask it right here.



PERINO: Kidding.



BOLLING: People can evolve. As more information becomes available, people can evolve.


GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

BOLLING: It will be interesting to see how Trump faces off with other candidates -- by the way, director, thanks for taking the one shot on me.


BOLLING: I'm kidding. It's tomorrow night's debate. Keep you on -- make sure to tune in for the best post debate analysis on TV, right here on the Fox News channel beginning at 11:00 p.m. eastern. O'Reilly, Kelly and Hannity, tomorrow night, don't miss it. More to come on The Five in just a minute.

GUILFOYLE: More Trump?


GUILFOYLE: Well, Bernie Sanders wants to make a lot of reforms if Americans pick him to be our next president.


BERNIE SANDERS, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We need to expand Medicare to cover every man, woman and child as a single payer national health care program.

We need a first class child care Pre-K system in this country.

We should expand Social Security benefits by lifting the cap on taxable income. We have a plan to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure.

I have introduced legislation, which says that every public college and university in America will be tuition free.



GUILFOYLE: Yes, yes, yes. Who's going to pay for all that, Bernie?

But his socialist agenda would cost Americans dearly. The price tag of these last two proposals, $18 trillion. He's more expensive than Dr. Evil. Well, that's according to a tally by The Wall Street Journal. Sanders doesn't think the number actually is accurate.


SANDERS: That is not the reality, and we will be responding to The Wall Street Journal on that. I think most of the expense that they put in there, the expenditures, have to do with a single-payer healthcare system.

Second point which they really didn't get into is we are going to demand that the wealthiest people and the largest corporations in this country do start paying their fair share of taxes.


GUILFOYLE: Oh, boy, wow. OK. I mean, that's a motivator right there. Imagine if he was the nominee.

All right, talk to me about the numbers, Bolling. He's saying that these numbers are inaccurate, that $18 trillion is...

BOLLING: Just a little too high.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. It's a little too north.

BOLLING: He might be right, because he's talking about raising -- he didn't say exactly how high, but raising the upper-level income brackets. And if you raise them to 90 percent, which he said in the past, you could probably pay for some of the things that he's talking about.

GUILFOYLE: But you have to assume that. My point is, if you don't do that, if you're unable, then, to be able to raise the taxes, then who's going to pay for all this free, free, free, free?

BOLLING: It's all smoke and mirrors. The Democrats are never going to put up Bernie Sanders as their nominee. It's going to be either Hillary Clinton or someone else. Right now they're deathly afraid it's not going to be Hillary Clinton, so they're trying to figure it out.

My guess, again, we talked about it before. Joe Biden, who sat down with the bundlers...


BOLLING: He's there. He's all -- the same day he said to the world that he wasn't sure if he had it in his heart to run, he sat down with, as we pointed out, the mega bundler, who tells you he's there shall he's there. He's in the game. He just has to figure out the right time to do it.

PERINO: That was actually interesting because David Brooks, the New York Times columnist, today said that actually when he -- he didn't think Biden would run. And then when he saw the Colbert interview, he said, "Oh, he changed his mind" and said everybody needs a story and -- I hate the word - - but the narrative, a reason for your candidacy. And like the arc of how did you get to this point to run for president and that he was laying the groundwork to do so.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I think he's right. I mean, let's just wait and see. Hold your breath but not for that long. Just like, you know.

PERINO: Until I turn blue?

GUILFOYLE: Exactly. No, red.


GUILFOYLE: Cute. Cute, clever. Greg.

GUTFELD: Yes. Well, no, the great thing about socialism is there's no need for a price tag. A price tag is evil. It's the ideology of infancy. The selfishness of need without the selflessness of work.

We don't know how this is going to be paid for, but it's going to be paid by people out of their paychecks, probably at 90 percent.

He didn't say anything, I guess, about funding to fight terror, so who's going to protect all this free stuff that isn't really free? I don't think -- you're going to need more than socialized health care when terror strikes.

He was at Liberty; he spoke at Liberty. They were so nice to him.

GUILFOYLE: No kidding.

GUTFELD: Imagine the corollary. It would be like Rick Santorum speaking at Burning Man. I mean, and they sat there and they applauded, and they were so nice. But you know, he had some very dangerous...

PERINO: I admire him for going there.

GUTFELD: That's what I'm saying. But you know what? He has some really crazy ideas. But who cares, because people are angry?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, but you know what? It's easy to get people fired up for free stuff. Everyone loves free stuff. Even rich people love free stuff and swag bags.

PERINO: That's why they're rich.

GUILFOYLE: This is the point. You know? I mean, this is the point. So people are like, "Oh, yes, free! Free health, free education, free everything. Give me some free. Give me some free housing. Give me a free car. Give me a free phone." Oh, Obama did that.

WILLIAMS: Oh, stop. Anyway, what I'm just -- I'm amused at this table.

PERINO: Are you?

WILLIAMS: Because last week you guys were all for Bernie.

PERINO: No, we're for Biden.

WILLIAMS: Bernie is taking down the evil Hillary Clinton. And not only -- because -- because it was hurting Clinton, anything that hurts Clinton, you guys are all for.

But I must say I thought, you know, picking up on what Dana said, I thought -- in going there, I thought he did -- he went into the lion's den. I thought he was -- it's interesting he said...

GUTFELD: But you know it isn't a lion's den, because conservatives are just nicer people.

WILLIAMS: Oh, no, I think they are deferential but not on the abortion question. They made it very clear they didn't agree on that, or gay rights.

But when it came on the race issue, where he said, you know, this country has some racist pedigree, get it. You know, Bernie Sanders is speaking powerfully, and I think speaking to a very strongly liberal base. Boy, if he was ever elected, you'd say, "Oh, my God, bring back Obama. Bring back Hillary."

PERINO: Juan, you're right about one thing. I am for things that hurt Hillary Clinton's candidacy, so I'm for Hillary Clinton.

WILLIAMS: There you go.


GUILFOYLE: Boom. Drop the mike, Dana Perino.

PERINO: I'm out of here.

GUILFOYLE: Next, Sarah Silverman takes a swipe at other comedians, like Jerry Seinfeld, who are fed up with political correctness on college campuses. What she has to say to them, next. .


PERINO: Political correctness has taken over many college campuses. That's why Jerry Seinfeld, Chris Rock and other comedians say they won't perform for students anymore.

Sarah Silverman isn't known for her PC comedy, but she thinks comedians should accommodate the college crowd.


SARAH SILVERMAN, COMEDIAN: Everyone is going to be offended by something, so you can't -- you can't just decide on your material based on not offending anyone.

But I do think it's important as a comedian, as a human, to change with the times, to change with new information.

You have to listen to the college aged, because they lead the revolution. They're pretty much always on the right side of history.


PERINO: President Obama feels otherwise. Even he is tired of censorship on campus.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I don't agree that you, when you become students at colleges, have to be coddled and protected from different points of view. You shouldn't silence them by saying, "You can't come because, you know, my -- I'm too sensitive to hear what you have to say." That's not -- that's not the way we learn either.


PERINO: All right, Greg, so should comedians change with the times so that they can keep an audience?

GUTFELD: But that's not what this is about. Beware of the "but." Sarah Silverman said, "I am for, you know, free speech and I'm for -- but" -- when somebody says but, that means that she actually disagrees with everything. She's the Bowe Bergdahl of comedy. She just turned traitor on everybody that works for a living who have to fight the idea that jokes aren't jokes.

The whole notion of the campus language police is based on the idea that jokes are actual actions. They're almost like physical violence. But jokes are just jokes. They don't have any physical impact. And if it has an emotional impact, it's because you're weak.

So she finally gave in. And my theory is the reason why she gave into this is because, you know, over 10 or 15 years ago, she made -- she made a slur against the Chinese on the Letterman show; and she was hounded over this for years, and she refused to apologize. And I think after a while, she just said, "I can't take it anymore," and now she's just turned traitor.

PERINO: So if there's -- so if you can't make fun of -- if we can't make fun of ourselves and laugh at ourselves, Eric, what's left? I mean, I guess you could still make relationship jokes, right?

GUTFELD: Those are cute.

BOLLING: Is she just -- she's looking for the college gigs? She wants to be booked on college campuses?

You know, Dr. Carson has the best -- have you heard this idea about what he suggests for political correctness or politics on campuses? If it's a public university, if you were president, he said, "I would keep the Department of Education, but if the public university is politically biased, pull their funding."

What a great idea. It makes so much -- it's a public university. We all - - we all have to pay into the taxes that support it. Why should it be leaning left or right, for that matter?

PERINO: But who gets to decide?

WILLIAMS: I was going to say, I don't want the government deciding if it's politically one way or the other. Keep the government out of there.

Look, I think, you know, this has really reached the point of absurdity. I just read where there's a law professor at Harvard says you can't teach about rape. You know why? She says because somebody will say it was a microaggression or a trigger warning.

GUTFELD: Yes. Because somebody might have had an experience in the classroom, so you should teach about it in law.

WILLIAMS: Right. So -- and then University of California has now put out this new policy that you can't, you know, use language or terms in classrooms that could cause that emotional response in somebody.

GUTFELD: Right, yes.

WILLIAMS: Now, on the one hand Toni Morrison, the author, has said that the PC thing is about the power to define. It's the people in power who said, you know, "This is the way we used to talk about the Washington football team. How are you going to take that away from us? That's our tradition."

On that level I can relate. I don't want to be defined by somebody else. No, seriously.

BOLLING: It's still the Redskins. You can't say -- say it?

WILLIAMS: I don't want to say it. I don't want to say it. Because it's just like I don't want you to use a slur against me. I don't want it, OK? So I'm not going to use...

PERINO: But they are actually called the Redskins.

GUILFOYLE: That's the actual name of the team.

WILLIAMS: No. It's a nickname that was given to it by the owner. But anyway, my point...

PERINO: On the sweatshirt?

WILLIAMS: Yes, the whole thing. That's the nickname of the team.

GUILFOYLE: I know, but so they're just called...

PERINO: So like the Patriots?

GUTFELD: Look, I don't get mad over the White Sox.


BOLLING: The slur that you're talking about against you, I think, is pretty much universally understood as a slur.



PERINO: Agree.

BOLLING: Blacks and whites and probably every single black person would call that a slur.

WILLIAMS: Nobody asked Hulk Hogan.

BOLLING: But my point is there are probably a good percentage, probably half of the Native American community that doesn't find the Redskins name offensive.

WILLIAMS: I'm not getting in that. OK, OK, but I will say this. There are people like...

GUILFOYLE: But you brought it up. No. You brought it up.

WILLIAMS: I don't want to go back and forth, because I think we've had that conversation. But I will say that when you get to people like Redd Foxx, going back to Lenny Bruce, you know, coming forward, Richard Pryor and all, and Seinfeld, you know what? I think you've got to be able to laugh at yourself.

GUILFOYLE: Redd Foxx? That's inappropriate.

I don't like it and you said it.

WILLIAMS: You don't like Redd Foxx?

PERINO: It's just a nickname. It's just a nickname.

GUILFOYLE: There you go.

BOLLING: It's not Redskin Foxx.

PERINO: All right, we've got to run.

So he's crossed her mind, but Hillary Clinton says she's crossed him off the list as a running mate if she wins the nomination. We're going to tell you who that is, next.

GUTFELD: Very funny.


WILLIAMS: If Hillary Clinton wins the nomination, she could use a strong running mate on her ticket, wouldn't you say? So how about her husband, Bill? He'd fit the bill.


HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He would be good, but he's not eligible. Under the Constitution, he has served his two terms. And I think the argument would be as vice president, it would not be possible for him to ever succeed to the position, at least that's what I've been told. So you know, it has crossed my mind.


WILLIAMS: She's wrong. She's wrong. The 22nd Amendment, I think, says you can't run, can't be elected president more than two times, but doesn't say that you can't succeed, like be in the line of succession or run for vice president, Dana.

PERINO: Well, then maybe she should get -- you know, get the fact checkers on her team to help her out.

This is what I think is amazing, that the left is so excited about getting Bill Clinton back in the White House. And yet, the thing that they were pushing is that we would get the first woman president. But what they really want is Bill Clinton back in the White House. So what's the point of having the first woman president? I don't get it.


PERINO: This is amazing.

GUTFELD: Put the men in amendment.

There's three things about this thing. One, it's her fake laugh at the beginning. She's got to -- they've got to buy software and put it inside her so she can laugh like a normal person, because I'm tired of hearing that weird laugh.

The fact is she's got what I call the Batman and Robin complex. Bill is Batman. He has the power. She's Robin. She keeps thinking that if she hangs around Batman, it's going to help. That's how desperate they are right now to get her in the White House, like you said.

But if she really believes in woman and she did the speech about how you should believe women when they've got -- when they're accused -- accusing of assault.

PERINO: When they're a rape accuser.

GUTFELD: Give -- give Monica Lewinsky a job. Because she smeared...

BOLLING: Czar of that?

GUTFELD: No. Czar of internships. She -- she smeared Monica Lewinsky, remember? Remember? She smeared Monica Lewinsky.

GUILFOYLE: Czar of dry cleaning.

GUTFELD: She should be in charge of the intern program.

WILLIAMS: Wow. Wait a minute. You guys -- you guys get stirred up over Bill Clinton.

GUTFELD: He still has it, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Bill Clinton, you know, is very popular.

GUTFELD: He still has it.

PERINO: That made him more popular than...

GUILFOYLE: This whole segment.

WILLIAMS: Yes. So why would you -- you like Bill Clinton?

GUILFOYLE: And I like Redd Foxx.

BOLLING: Bill Clinton likes you.

WILLIAMS: Right. That's what I was going to say.

GUILFOYLE: Well, I mean, can you blame him?

WILLIAMS: Well, anyway, would it be so bad to have Bill Clinton back? Because...

GUILFOYLE: I'd rather have him than Hillary.

WILLIAMS: Oh, so you'd vote for Bill? Because you'd vote for Hillary because of Bill.

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely not.

WILLIAMS: Oh, I thought you were...

PERINO: There are people who think that way.

WILLIAMS: You think so?

PERINO: Yes, not me.

WILLIAMS: Then Eric Bolling?

BOLLING: You know what I think? I think -- did you see?

PERINO: Can I see a show of hands?

GUILFOYLE: A show of hands. Show of hands.

BOLLING: Have you seen twice now that Hillary Clinton said, "I would love to debate Donald Trump on the issues"?


BOLLING: Because she was trashing him about don't cherish women, respect women. Twice she said, "I wanted to debate him." Can you imagine what that...

PERINO: I think on that debate, she'd win.

BOLLING: Trump -- with her history of excusing Bill Clinton's indirections right under her nose.

PERINO: I don't think they want to go down that road.

GUTFELD: I wouldn't want to do that.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, he would go down it.

WILLIAMS: You think Trump would bring that up?

BOLLING: If Trump...

GUILFOYLE: He would. He'd drive down that road with a Mack truck, trust me.

WILLIAMS: Do you think Americans...

GUILFOYLE: Waving the blue dress over his head: "Woo!"

WILLIAMS: ... who have to deal with -- make mistakes would say...


BOLLING: He would show up in a blue dress. Now that would win...

GUILFOYLE: No. That's over the line (ph).

WILLIAMS: Trump shows up in a blue dress?

GUILFOYLE: All right, no. Just pull one out of your pocket.

WILLIAMS: You know, this cultural thing is -- this cultural thing is out of control with Trump.

GUTFELD: It is, it is.

BOLLING: Let's close the segment.

WILLIAMS: "One More Thing." It can't get better than the rest of this. GUILFOYLE: Your time is up.


GUTFELD: It is time now for a thing we like to call "One More Thing." We shall start with Ms. Kimberly Guilfoyle.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you very much.

So, everybody, check out "On the Record" tonight with Greta Van Susteren, because she sits down for an exclusive interview with Vicki Gardner. She is the sole survivor of that vicious on-air shooting that took the lives of WDBJ reporter Alison Parker and cameraman Adam Ward. So that's tonight at 7 p.m. Eastern. Take a listen to this.


VICKI GARDNER, SHOOTING SURVIVOR: I was waiting for -- for him to shoot me in the head. When he shot me in the back, I said, "I'm going to be paralyzed. Darn." And then I waited. And then I said -- and it goes real quick. They say, "Oh, your mind, you know, the world goes in front of you." In front of you. And it did real fast, and I said, "I'm ready. I'm ready."


GUILFOYLE: Vicki Gardner with Greta Van Susteren tonight, 7 p.m., "On the Record." You don't want to miss it.

GUTFELD: All right. Up next, Dana Perino.

PERINO: All right. So one of my biggest fears is going whale watching. Not because I'm afraid to, like, watch a whale. I'm afraid of this happening on a kayak or on a boat. Look what happened off the coast of California.

This humpback whale comes up out of the water breaches and lands. It lands on the kayakers. They made it back to shore safely. But I'm telling you, Peter, this is why I do not go whale watching in any sort of boat. And why Kimberly, I think, will agree with me, contained water is better than being out there.

GUTFELD: You go guppy watching, don't you? Usually just dive into a fishbowl and snorkel, just snorkel. Usually, hide in that little castle in the bottom, don't you?

PERINO: I love that down there.

GUTFELD: You barbecue. No, you can't, because it's underwater.

PERINO: It's actually quite roomy. It's actually quite roomy.

GUILFOYLE: Dana -- Dana, you've got to whale watch from a super yacht inside the hot tub.

PERINO: NO, actually, I'm not even for that. I'm still scared of that.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Well, it's fun.

GUTFELD: Well, fear is good; it keeps you alive.

On "O'Reilly" tonight with Bernie. The show "O'Reilly," that is.

PERINO: Not Sanders?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: It's time for...


GUTFELD: Greg's War on Man Buns.


GUTFELD: All right. As you know for the last couple weeks, I have been after men with man buns. You know, those little things on the top of their heads, like a vertical pony tail; makes them look like an onion.

OK, since I pointed this out, literally millions of the people around American have been calling me personally at home upset. And there's now The New York Times has finally tackled the man bun thing.

This is from The New York Times people, saying that they want to walk around Brooklyn with a pair of scissors and cut them off. I don't -- that's assault, by the way. You shouldn't do that. That's wrong.

But I think what's happening is since we have pointed out on "The Five" that man buns exist, everybody is seeing them. They're at your gym. They're at the restaurant. They, like, -- they're little -- they're sprouting out of people's heads. You know what they remind me of? Do you remember, like, two years ago, guys who run around with their sunglasses on the back of their thing.

PERINO: Yes, I hate that.

GUTFELD: Exactly. Well, that's this. Stop it.

PERINO: Is that why you got a haircut today?

GUTFELD: I got a nice haircut. Why -- why change the subject? Eric, you're next.

BOLLING: I have the best "One More Thing." So Sunday I'm watching TV. I'm watching FOX. I'm watching "FOX News Sunday." And this happened.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Taking on Trump is timely and the only Republican who's had the kidney to do it in a robust way is Bobby Jindal.


WILLIAMS: Wait, wait, wait.

CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Juan, Juan, this isn't "The Five."

WILLIAMS: No, I understand.

WALLACE: Incidentally, no offense to "The Five." It's one of my favorite shows.


BOLLING: No offense taken, Wallace. You want to know something?


BOLLING: We like you here.

PERINO: That's a great "One More Thing."

GUTFELD: I actually do take offense to it. Chris, if you're watching, it's over between us.

WILLIAMS: It's over.

GUTFELD: You're dead to me.

PERINO: It is hard to go back -- to go from doing "The Five" itself to a similar show.

GUTFELD: He's done. Chris Wallace is done. Juan.

WILLIAMS: You want me to tell him that? I have to go back and live with him.

BOLLING: Juan likes us better.

WILLIAMS: Oh, yes, well, of course I do.

GUILFOYLE: Pick, pick, pick!

GUTFELD: Take that, Wallace.

WILLIAMS: All right, all right. So sometimes my FOX colleagues genuinely inspire me. Earlier this month Jon Scott went on a hike in Peru to raise money for poor children.

GUILFOYLE: Very sweet.

WILLIAMS: He hiked 28 miles all the way, by the way, to Machu Picchu.


WILLIAMS: But he raised, he had 28 people who did this 28-mile hike, and they all raised at least $2,000 to help a poor child in Peru. And you saw them there a moment ago with one of the children he's helping, a young man named Joseph. But he also said he did it for his own kids, because he wanted his own kids to know how great we have it in America.

GUTFELD: Nice one, Juan.

All right. "Special Report" is up.

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