Fiorina: 'There's no question that I am among frontrunners'

CNN changes Republican debate criteria on 'Hannity'


This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," September 2, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: Welcome to "Hannity." Tonight, new damaging information about Hillary Clinton's use of her private e-mail server. Joining us now with a full report is Fox's Ed Henry -- Ed.

ED HENRY, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Sean, this could be another blow to Hillary Clinton's campaign, using her private server to send at least six e-mails, according to The Washington Post, with classified information, despite her vow back at that March news conference she never, ever sent classified information over her personal server.

Tonight, the Clinton camp is pushing back, insisting to me this was expected, that after the fact, the intel community, as they research all this, go through the documents, are going to decide that some of the information was classified. And they're going to do that after the fact, but that it was not classified when she actually pushed the button and sent it.

Obviously, we've heard that claim from the campaign before. And some of their other contentions are now obviously in dispute, some parts of her story going back to that first news conference at the United Nations have been knocked down. It's going to be sorted out by the FBI's criminal (sic) investigation.

All of this from a political standpoint clearly weighing on her candidacy. New Washington Post/ABC News poll out tonight finds her favorability continues to plummet. 45 percent of voters surveyed say they have a favorable view of Clinton, 53 percent have an unfavorable view.

And people close to Clinton point out, though, that the same poll didn't have good unfavorable numbers for some of the Republican candidates like Donald Trump and Jeb Bush, Joe Biden, as well, on the Democratic side, potentially, though clearly, she is struggling right now. She's the embattled front-runner trying to limit the number of Democratic debates, has been ducking some questions, as you've seen, out on the campaign trail about the e-mail controversy.

And tonight, Fox has obtained a copy of a long-forgotten ad from the '08 campaign when the script was flipped. Clinton was trying to take out a Democratic front-runner in Barack Obama, was blasting him for ducking debates, and yes, avoiding tough questions. Watch this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Both Democratic candidates were invited to a televised debate here in Wisconsin. Hillary Clinton has said yes. Barack Obama hasn't. Maybe he'd prefer to give speeches than have to answer questions, like why Hillary Clinton has the only health care plan that covers every American.


HENRY: Interesting because back in that other campaign, Clinton and Obama sparred 19 times in various debates. This time, the Democratic National Committee has only scheduled four Democratic debates before the Iowa caucuses.

What has Martin O'Malley, one of the other Democratic candidates, particularly upset -- the first Democratic debate is not until mid-October.  By then, the Republicans will have had two debates, O'Malley charging that the Democratic Party is trying to protect the front-runner, Sean.

HANNITY: And there was a report -- I want to go back to this issue because she clarified her original remarks, I neither sent nor received any classified information. Then it became marked classified information.

HENRY: Right.

HANNITY: And reports out there that some of the -- well, I guess the status might have been changed on some of these e-mails. What is the latest on that?

HENRY: Yes, well, there have been questions raised about whether her staff took some of this intelligence that either was or should have been marked classified in real time, and then was doing either a cut and paste or something else, putting it into new documents where maybe the markings were no longer there.

You're right, there have been reports to that effect. I want to stress as a reporter it hasn't been proven. There hasn't been evidence of that, to that effect. Obviously, if that turns out to be true, it's going to be a major blow to her campaign because it will basically rip apart a lot of the arguments she has made.

I think the bottom line is that's why the FBI is investigating. We're here on the outside trying to figure out what really happened. They have the criminal investigators who are going to get to the bottom of this, Sean.

HANNITY: And the law is pretty clear in saying that it doesn't necessarily have to be marked. For example, there's been talk about satellite images, including North Korea's nuclear arsenal maybe being moved. Wouldn't she have to know as secretary of state that, in fact, that would be classified and should not be forwarded and should not be in a private e-mail server that we now know is somebody's bathroom of a mom and pop shop?

HENRY: Two quick points. Number one, you're right. Republicans in recent days have been making a very strong case that at the very least, this is about Hillary Clinton's judgment as secretary of state. Whether this was marked or not, if, in fact, as some of these reports are suggesting, there were satellite images, other images that would reveal some of our intelligence-gathering involving North Korea, other important hotspots around the world, her judgment shave been, you would expect, that, Hey, this is at the least sensitive, if not classified, and would have handled it differently.

I think the second point, as well, obviously, is that, you know, look, she's under fire about all of this, and whether there's criminal charges or not, she's taking a big political hit over it, Sean.

HANNITY: All right, Ed Henry, thanks so much for being with us.

Here now with reaction, author of The New York Times number one best- selling book, it's number one now four weeks in a row, "Plunder and Deceit: Big Government's Exploitation of Young People in the Future," I call him the "great one," Mark Levin.

Sir, Rudy Giuliani was on this program and he said he has identified 12 specific laws that could be broken if he were investigating this case.  You've looked at the law. We've talked about it in weeks past. Your thoughts.

MARK LEVIN, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: There's one law in particular that matters...


LEVIN: ... and I want to read this, it'll take a short time, but I want to make sure James Carville and Lanny Davis can understand what I'm saying.


LEVIN: Section 793 of the federal penal code, "Whoever being entrusted with or having lawful possession of" -- they didn't say send or receive, "in lawful possession or control of any information relating to the national defense" -- I'll get to the rest later.

Notice she said, I never received or sent anything marked classified.  That would be bad enough. It doesn't have to be marked anything if it is relating to the national offense. I'm reading the Espionage Act -- "through gross negligence" -- and that is, she didn't have to have specific knowledge or intent -- "gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust or to be lost, stolen, abstracted or destroyed" -- and there's a fine. This is a felony statute.

Now, Sean, the U.S. attorney hasn't said a damn thing. There ought to be a grand jury impaneled. I'm glad the criminal side of the FBI is investigating. It's not enough!

Where's the U.S. attorney general? Silent! Not a word! We've had special prosecutors appointed on a hell of a lot less than this! Where's the special prosecutor? Where's Obama appointing it? Nowhere! The United States Justice Department under this president is in full cover-up mode!

Probably some civil servant patriotic FBI agents are pushing and trying to do something, but this requires a full, comprehensive investigation, gathering all the evidence, bringing in all these staffers, yes, bringing in Hillary Clinton in front of a grand jury, without a lawyer, questioning her and getting to the bottom of this!

HANNITY: All right, Mark...

LEVIN: This is not an e-mail scandal! Hillary Clinton threw our national security on the table for all our enemies to see!

HANNITY: And so any issue or information related to defense -- and you're talking about 18 USC 793, the Espionage Act. So by definition...

LEVIN: That's correct.

HANNITY: ... satellite images of North Korea's nuclear facilities, which we know are in these e-mails -- that would in my mind classify as a violation of that act. And that's only one example of what might turn out to be many. Again, 33,000 of these e-mails were erased. You know, can we -- hopefully, we can retrieve some of them, right?

LEVIN: Well, if the law is enforced properly, in my humble opinion, and if Hillary Clinton is the putative Democrat nominee and wins the presidency, she would be serving the presidency from Leavenworth, quite frankly.

There are multiple examples! Just from Ed's report, just from public information out there -- the idea that we're even debating whether or not she violated the law -- you'll hear her supporters say, Well, where's the evidence? And I say we're not only overwhelmed with all the evidence, I say where is the grand jury? Why isn't there a grand jury? Where the hell is the U.S. attorney in the District of Columbia?

HANNITY: Yes, good question, and where's the attorney general? But I go back to Republicans. You know, Loretta Lynch said she supported the president's illegal, unconstitutional act -- actions of the president on executive amnesty, so I'm not really holding my breath that she's going to involve herself in any way.

This goes beyond political, though. So my question to you is, you were -- I remember you being on my program, talking about impeachment and talking about perjury and subornation of perjury and obstruction of justice and a president that lost his law license. They've been able to escape so much over the years.

My guess is they think that they're going to be able to parse their words and say marked versus received, and probably obfuscate the issue enough to get away with it with the American public. Legally speaking, it seems like there's a cover-up going on, and I don't have enough faith and confidence in our attorney general that she's going to do anything about it. Does she skate over this, in your opinion?

LEVIN: Well, I don't know, but the Republicans should be demanding a grand jury under the United States attorney's auspices in Washington, D.C.  We have a public integrity unit that could get involved in the criminal division of the Justice Department, the attorney general, who should be appointing a special prosecutor, but she won't. The fact is, the U.S. attorney should, in fact, impanel a grand jury. It's only because it's Hillary Clinton that they haven't.

Her hands are all over this stuff. And this stuff about marked classified -- that is totally irrelevant. That was lawyered, and if her lawyers weren't read into these programs, they should be investigated, too, quite frankly!

There should be a broad net. It's not a matter of specific intent.  That is government information! That's national security information! It applies to everyone, especially the secretary of state!

Sean, when she put that server in her barn next to her house in Chappaqua, and then when that information was moved to Denver, somebody knew exactly what was going on! And the idea that she didn't know is preposterous!

When they put that server on her private property, which was receiving government information, which she had to know the secretary of state was going to receive information relating to national defense -- unless she put out a directive and said, I don't want to receive any information related to national defense, she had to know she was receiving it! That is gross negligence!

HANNITY: Yes. Let me ask you one question about 2016, Mark, if we can. When people ask me -- I haven't endorsed anybody. I don't think you have, either, up to this point. People ask me what I'm looking for.

We're five months away from the Iowa caucus, first votes being cast.  And I always say I'm looking for the most conservative candidate because conservatism works and we can help turn the country around. We need to in a lot of different ways -- that can articulate a vision, that will inspire people and can win. What is Mark Levin looking for?

LEVIN: Well, exactly the same thing, but you know, a lot of these candidates, if you go back a few years, they weren't all that conservative.  So if they've had a lurch to the right, we have to make sure that lurch is legitimate. I'm not picking on any specific candidate at all. But I think we have one more chance here.

We have to bust through the Republican establishment, as Reagan had to as an outsider, give people an opportunity to vote for a real choice, a conservative, as a matter of principle, as a matter of policy, so we can spread liberty, so we can spread opportunity, so we can spread free market, so we can secure our border, so rather than fundamentally transform America, we will fundamentally transform our enemies and we can reverse what Barack Obama has done with the regulatory state, and so forth and so on, and put more originalists on the Supreme Court.

This is a crucially important election. No more pretend conservatives. We need a real conservative. And they will win. The last time we nominated a real conservative, Reagan, he won two massive landslides!

HANNITY: Mark, congratulations, four consecutive weeks, "Plunder and Deceit," number one on The New York Times list, congratulations.

All right, coming up, 2016 Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina's recent surge in the polls has her in a position now to qualify for the main stage in the next GOP debate. She'll be here with reaction.

Also later tonight, he exposed the Clinton Foundation's pay-to-play scheme. Peter Schweizer will weigh in on the Hillary server scandal.

Plus, Democrats still will not condemn the Black Lives Matter movement, even after activists caught on camera yelling anti-cop rhetoric about killing cops! Governor Scott Walker, presidential candidate, will weigh in.

Also, I go one on one with Geraldo over immigration, and much more straight ahead.



HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So the second GOP debate is quickly approaching, and excitement is now building fast, but not just for the voters. Carly Fiorina's campaign has to be happy over the news that CNN will adjust its criteria for the debate, which could mean that the former Hewlett-Packard CEO could make it onto the main stage.

She joins us now, 2016 Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina. I got to give you a lot of credit. There was a huge social media outburst, if you will, about you getting on that stage, especially after your performance in the debate. And I said so myself. Ben Carson stood up for you. Donald Trump stood up for you. I got to believe you're pretty happy with that.

CARLY FIORINA, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, I am, and I'm grateful for all of that support, yours, Donald Trump's, Ben Carson's, and most especially, the thousands and thousands of grass roots activists across the country.

I'm the only candidate that in that time has clearly moved into the top 10 from the lower tier. I'm now in the top five in every single statewide poll, number four in the latest national poll.

There's no question that I'm among front-runners. And so I think CNN did the right thing here, and I'm obviously enormously gratified by that.

HANNITY: Well, the general consensus was that you won that first debate here on the FOX News Channel, so congratulations to you and all due credit. You were on my friend Laura Ingraham's show earlier today, and she asked you a question about people claiming that you're just in this to run for vice president. You took great offense at that.

FIORINA: Well, you know, it would be different, Sean, if all of the candidates were asked that same question with the same regularity, but they're not. I'm the person who's asked that question over and over again.  And so one can only conclude that I'm getting asked that question because I'm a woman. which is disappointing because I don't sense that with voters at all.

What I sense is voters looking for the most qualified candidate, man or woman, to become the next president of the United States, and I think I am that candidate.

HANNITY: You don't believe -- but I will tell you, I was impressed by the social media support that you had to get you into that debate. It really frustrates me as a conservative, you know, this false narrative that is advanced by Democrats every election season that Republicans, conservatives, are racists, that they're sexist, the war on women. I don't see any of that. And that frustrates me.

What is your response, knowing that that's going to be the predictable attack, especially in the main event in 2016?

FIORINA: Well, you know, it's interesting because on your friend Laura's show this morning, I said it was the media who was asking those questions all the time. It's not the voters. It's not the grass roots activists. It's not the real conservatives. They don't ever ask me if I'm running to be vice president.

What they ask me is, What are you going to do as president? What are you going to do about the Iran deal? What are you going to do about "Obama care"? What are you going to do about an economy that's stuck in neutral?  What are you going to do about crony capitalism? What are you going to do about an out-of-control government? Those are the questions they should be asking.

HANNITY: Yes. Is there a fear -- but knowing the playbook of the Democrats, do you think -- I think you have been, of all the candidates, probably the most outspoken in criticizing Hillary. Do you think there might be some fear that they will be called sexists if some men that are running make a legitimate attack against Hillary? Oh, here it is, the war on women. And maybe they're trying -- playing it safe, trying to avoid that -- that narrative that we know Democrats love to advance.

FIORINA: Well, I sure hope not because if a candidate can't take on the Democrat front-runner, then that candidate can't win an election.

So I don't know what their problem is, but I agree with you. I have been the candidate most outspoken about Hillary Clinton, as well as the Democrat Party. You know, Sean, the Democrat Party, as it now looks, the policies they're pushing forward are undermining the character of this nation. They're undermining the foundation of this nation. They're undermining the security of this nation.

We have to take them on. So I'm going to keep taking her on as long as she's their front-runner, and I'm going to keep taking on their policies, which are undermining this nation.

HANNITY: Listen, I worry every day that we're losing the country, that, you know, 93 million Americans that are out of the labor force, 50 million in poverty, 46 million on food stamps, record debt and deficits and unfunded liabilities. It's insane. And then you've got a foreign policy where America's not leading, which I think is putting the entire world in jeopardy.

Last question. You've watched this Hillary Clinton server scandal.  What are your thoughts about it? You know a lot about computers, obviously, working for Hewlett-Packard as the CEO. Do you believe that this was a conscious cover-up?

FIORINA: Of course. Of course. There's no doubt. I mean, there are a couple of things that are not in doubt. And by the way, you are absolutely right, Sean, in your previous comments. We're at a pivotal point in this nation. It's why I'm running for the presidency.

But there's not doubt that she purposely put a server in her basement in order to shield her communications. There's no doubt there has been a cover-up. There's no doubt that she has been exchanging classified information over her personal device. There is no doubt that there's stuff in those thousands, tens of thousands of deleted e-mails that she didn't want us to see. There is no doubt! She was the secretary of state.

HANNITY: All right, well, there's no doubt about all that. All right, congratulations to you. Thank you so much for being back with us.  We appreciate it.

FIORINA: Thanks, Sean.

HANNITY: Coming up, Peter Schweizer -- remember the man who first shed light on the Clintons' foundation, their shady money practices? He is here to respond to Hillary Clinton's server scandal -- by the way, his first television interview since the Clinton e-mail controversy broke.

Then, also coming up later tonight...






HANNITY: Even after violent rhetoric like that, Democrats are still supporting the Black Lives Matter movement. So 2016 Republican presidential candidate Governor Scott Walker -- he is here with reaction tonight. Also, Geraldo and I go one on one on the war on police and immigration straight ahead.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Hillary Clinton's newly released e-mails appear to prove that the Clinton Foundation influenced her decision making while she was serving as secretary of state. And late last week, we learned that Bill Clinton sought State Department approval, but was denied, to give speeches tied to North Korea, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and two countries that have atrocious human rights records.

Here with reaction, the man who first exposed all these shady money practices at the Clinton Foundation, the author of The New York Times best- seller "Clinton Cash," the president of the Government Accountability Institute, Breitbart senior editor-at-large, Peter Schweizer, is with us.

All right, let's go through this. So we have a secretary of state, we have a Clinton Foundation, we have money flowing into the foundation while she's secretary of state, and also arms given -- arms embargoes lifted off of pretty bad countries. Is there a connection?

PETER SCHWEIZER, "CLINTON CASH" AUTHOR: I think there is, Sean. I mean, the oldest adage in Washington, D.C., is follow the money. And Hillary Clinton as secretary of state, as the e-mails are now confirming, had interlocking, intertwining relationships between the Clinton Foundation and here official duties as secretary of state.

And why is that important? It's important because foreign entities are sending the Clintons money, either to the Clinton Foundation or directly to the Clintons' pocket in the form of speaking fees. And she has the power as our chief diplomat, the secretary of state, to make vastly important decisions that affect those very people sending the money.

And the e-mails show that it's all intertwined. She's talking Clinton Foundation activity. Clinton aides are talking about steering money to the Clinton Global Initiative from foreign governments. It's all what I call the Clinton blur.

HANNITY: And on top of that, then we go back to the original argument that I kept pointing out when your book first hit, and that is that you have Saudi Arabia and Kuwait and the UAE and Oman and all these other countries with atrocious human rights records, especially for women. She never publicly criticizes these countries, and they're giving millions and millions of dollars to the foundation! Did they buy her silence?

SCHWEIZER: Well, you know, I think they did. You know, look, as secretary of state, you can do things for the benefit of somebody, or you cannot do things for the benefit of someone. And for somebody like Hillary Clinton, who's been outspoken on women's issues since she was first lady in the 1990s, to be silent on these issues as secretary of state is very interesting and puzzling.

And look, here's the thing we all have to recognize. In these foreign cultures, for example, in the Middle East, in Latin America and in Asia, you're talking about in some instances countries that have political cultures that are all about bribery. They're all about getting favors from government officials. And these are the places, the very places that are sending large sums of money to the Clintons.

And all you need to do is look at the inconsistencies in her posture as secretary of state, and you have to believe that these two instances or these two events are connected.

HANNITY: All right, but all of this is happening at the same time she's secretary of state. In other words, the -- they're still fund- raising for the foundation from countries that she may have to deal with as secretary of state, or her husband is seeking to make speeches as while she's secretary of state.

Now, presidents usually to put their finances in a blind trust. In other words, they want to avoid any appearance of impropriety. So they're supposedly -- they don't know what's going on with their money. What about ethical conflict of interest laws? Do you see any that might be violated?

SCHWEIZER: Yes. There's a real clear possibility. I mean, look, the federal laws are clear for federal government employees, and that includes Hillary Clinton. I mean, she's secretary of state. She's appointed by the president and confirmed by the senate. But she still has to abide by the ethical rules that all employees do.

And it's very clear you cannot use State Department resources or federal government resources for the benefit of a private business that you run or your spouse or family member runs, or for the benefit of a private charity. So whether it's Bill's speaking fees or the foundation, she can't be doing that.

HANNITY: Why would Bill Clinton want to be giving a speech in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, an enemy of ours, a sworn enemy, North Korea, and even he had ties with this guy from Iran during the time of an arms embargo. I'm trying to understand. Was it just solely a financial motivation here?

SCHWEIZER: I think it's financial, but I think it's also, you know, psychological. He wants to do what he wants to do. I mean, look, if you look at the e-mail traffic, North Korea, Democratic Republic of Congo both come with these ideas of him coming to speak in these countries, and Bill Clinton doesn't dismiss them out of hand! What he basically does is go to the State Department and say, Hey, I'm thinking about doing this. What do you guys think? It's only because the State Department says, This is not a good idea, that he decides not to do it.

I mean, to me, that's really amazing. With all the sensitive issues going on with both of these countries, that he would even entertain the idea of taking this money...

HANNITY: All right...

SCHWEIZER: ... to me just shows what they're willing to do for money.

HANNITY: Well, and that and the silence on the women's rights abuse issue abuses, taking money from countries like Saudi Arabia. My last question is, the Clintons are known to skate. If you would have asked me prior to 1998 if a president has sex with an intern in the Oval Office, lies to the American public about it, is impeached and would survive, I would have said no way. Whitewater, Travel-gate, cattle futures, all of these issues, the Clintons seem to survive. Does she survive this?

SCHWEIZER: I think it's going to be hard. And I think it's going to be hard because you have a couple of important dynamics. Number one you have people who raised this issue at the Department of Justice. They didn't dismiss it out of hand. So now they're on the record saying there is potentially a problem here.

The second thing you have to keep in mind is relationships between President Obama and the Clintons is not great. Just go back to some of the statements that Bill Clinton made about Barack Obama in 2008.

HANNITY: They played the race card --

SCHWEIZER: Exactly. And the way they lied about -- they were going to disclose all the donations to the Clinton Foundation. They signed a written agreement with Barack Obama. They basically ignored that. So if the president is so motivated I would not be surprised if there were criminal charges. We'll have to wait and see.

HANNITY: All right, Peter Schweizer, great work, as always. Thank you for being back with us.

SCHWEIZER: Thank you.

HANNITY: And coming up next tonight right here on HANNITY.


CROWD: Pigs in a blanket fry like bacon! Pigs in a blanket fry like bacon! Pigs in a blanket fry like bacon!


HANNITY: All right, so why are Democrats continuing to support the Black Lives Matter movement even after vile anti-cop chants like that?  2016 presidential candidate governor Scott Walker is here tonight with reaction. Also Geraldo Rivera weighs in on the war that is now being waged on police officers, and much more as we continue.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." The Democratic Party has been trying hard to win the support of the Black Lives Matter movement. Now, remember, last Friday the DNC even passed a formal resolution praising the efforts of this group. The next day activists caught on tape in St. Paul, Minnesota. This is what they were chanting.


CROWD: Pigs in a blanket fry like bacon! Pigs in a blanket fry like bacon! Pigs in a blanket fry like bacon! Pigs in a blanket fry like bacon! Pigs in a blanket fry like bacon!


HANNITY: Now, in the fact of the police killings in recent days, isn't it time for all politicians to distance themselves from the anti- police rhetoric, stand up for law enforcement?

Here with reaction, 2016 presidential candidate, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker is with us. Governor, I want to put on the screen. These are the words of praise that the Democratic Party, the DNC gave to the Black Lives Matter movement. "The DNC joins with Americans across the country in affirming Black Lives Matter and the "say her name" efforts to make visible the pain of our fellow and sister Americans as they condemn extrajudicial killings of unarmed African-American men, women, and children." They praised them. They said this the next day. They have said other outrageous things. Why is the Democratic Party aligning with this?

GOV. SCOTT WALKER, R-WIS., PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I don't get it, but we should speak out whether you're a Republican or Democrat or anyone in between, anyone who is involved in police violence we need to speak out about that once and for all.

I'm here in San Antonio, Texas. Earlier today I spoke out about the cold-blooded assassination of a deputy sheriff in Harris County over outside of Houston. You look at Darren Goforth, he now has a widow and two children because all he was doing was pumping gas into his squad car and someone came up and put 15 shots into him. Why? As the sheriff said, largely, they suspect because he was wearing the uniform of law enforcement. That is outrageous. That is not the America I grew up in and I don't think that's the America we want children to grow up in. We need to speak out about anything like that, and we need to stand up and protect the men and women who protect us every single day. I'll stand up for the law enforcement officials, the police officers, the sheriff's departments, and the troopers any time they're under attack.

HANNITY: We have a mutual friend, governor, and that's Sheriff Clarke. He's been on the program often. I know he is a big supporter of you. In the last year, last year they had one of the lowest annual homicide rates in their city's history, and they recorded 84 murders so far this year, more than double the 41 at this point last year. Do you think this is related to what happened with Michael Brown and Darren Wilson and Freddie Gray in Baltimore? Are cops afraid to do their jobs?

WALKER: Yes, I hear that from law enforcement around the country.  They're very concerned. The irony is when you think about it, when you think about the Black Lives Matter movement out there. Who are some of the most victimized by crime in America in our biggest cities? They're African-Americans. They're some of the very people that need our help the most from law enforcement.

The overwhelming majority of law enforcement in this country are standing up and doing the right thing. They're putting their lives on the line every single day. And, yes, if something does something wrong we should call them out and hold them accountable. That's why I'm proud of my state. I'm the first governor in America who signed a law that said if there is a death of a suspect in police custody there needs to be an independent investigation. Why? Because it protects not just the public, it protects the police officer, because overwhelmingly they're doing their job. We want to make sure the public knows that so we don't see this kind of nonsense where they're targeting police officers or sheriff's departments or anybody who wears the uniform and the badge.

HANNITY: What do you say to President Obama who was so quick to jump in, the Cambridge police acted stupidly, Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, et cetera. He has been virtually silent here. And we have got a war against cops. We've got assassinations now of cops filling their cars with gasoline. Why isn't he weighing in on this?

WALKER: This is yet another example where the president of the United States needs to put politics aside and stand up and do the right thing.  Lead in the country. That is what leaders do. I knew that as a county executive. I knew that as a governor, as a chief executive, you have got to stand up and lead on behalf of everybody in your jurisdiction whether they voted for you or not. And now more than ever America is crying out for leadership from their president to stand up and call out what's going on here. We need to stand up for law enforcement. And we need to make sure they protect people and are trained right so they continue to protect people in every community across the country.

HANNITY: I know a lot of your supporters said that they want to see a more vibrant Governor Scott Walker in the next debate. Will we see that?

WALKER: Absolutely. If somebody wants to see somebody that is going to go out and wreak havoc on Washington, I'm going to lay that out there in the next debate and every chance I get, because we wreaked havoc against the status quo in my home state capital in Madison. If you're a voter out there and you want someone who is going to wreak havoc on the special interests in Washington, on the big government union bosses, on the Democrats, and even on our own party if that is what it takes to move this country forward I'm not going to back down. I wasn't intimidated in my state capital. I'm not going to be intimidated in our nation's capital, either.

HANNITY: All right, governor, I can hear a big crowd in the background waiting for you. Thank you so much for taking time to be with us, appreciate it.

WALKER: Look what they gave me right before I went on air here.  Pretty good, huh?

HANNITY: What is that?


WALKER: A little brisket. I'm at Bill Miller's Barbecue in San Antonio.


   HANNITY: I love barbecue. I love ribs, I love brisket. Thank you for whetting my appetite here. All right, appreciate it.

Coming up next tonight right here on "Hannity" --

   (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)        

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The marchers kind of started chanting that towards him. It was more playful than anything.


HANNITY: Really, playful? A Black Lives Matter activist defending the "pigs in a blanket fry like bacon" chant. By the way, nobody on NBC really challenged him. Geraldo Rivera will weigh in with reaction.

Plus, he also interviewed Donald Trump from earlier today and he tried to battle him on immigration and get him to apologize. We'll play that straight ahead.  


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So last night an organizer for the St. Paul chapter of the Black Lives Matter movement went on MSNBC to explain unbelievably that his group's derogatory chant about police officers frying like bacon was, quote, all in good fun. Really? Watch this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The officer leading the parade kept talking into his microphone and saying things to the crows, like stay off the medium, do that. He was laughing and joking with the marchers, so then the marchers kind of started chanting that towards him. And it was more playful than anything. So --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So that was -- you're saying that was in a playful context, that chant?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At that particular demonstration, yes.


   HANNITY: Really? Does this look playful to you? Does this sound playful to you? Watch this.


CROWD: Pigs in a blanket fry like bacon! Pigs in a blanket fry like bacon! Pigs in a blanket fry like bacon! Pigs in a blanket fry like bacon! Pigs in a blanket fry like bacon! Pigs in a blanket fry like bacon!      (END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: Here with reaction Fox News senior correspondent Geraldo Rivera. You're not going to buy this NBC crap that this was playful?

GERALDO RIVERA, FOX NEWS SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: There is nothing playful about it. It's horrendous. It's counterproductive. It is absolutely destructive. If they hope to get any sympathy for the cause of police excessive violence, this is a sure way to scare people away, to destroy their own movement. And it is absolutely something that I think is a malignant cancer on the soul, really, of urban America.

HANNITY: This cry about cop killing and killing whites is getting louder and louder. We see now more cops are being targeted for assassination. Let me show you just one viral video that is out there.  And this is very disturbing. Watch this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is open season on killing white people and crackers. The Black Lives Matter movement wasn't enough. We tried to appeal to them to let them know that this type of thing would come. It would happen. They thought they were indestructible and invincible because they took advantage of the weakness of black people for too long with all of this police brutality. And now they have black men out there that just can't take it anymore, and they are willing to act out. And they are willing to get you when you least expect it, come at you when you're not thinking about it. It's not safe no more to be white in America. Lurking behind any corner could an angry black man ready to take your ass out.  That's a reality. It's open season on killing whites and police, and they better make some serious, serious changes.


HANNITY: "It's open season on killing whites and police." We see this dramatic increase in the targeting of police officers. Here's my question, and it's a political one. The president spoke out in the Trayvon Martin case, spoke out in the Cambridge police case, spoke out in the Michael Brown case, Mr. Constitutional Attorney spoke out without evidence presented in all three of those cases and was wrong in all three. My question is, why after these incidents of assassinations of cops, why doesn't he speak out publicly about that and take a strong stand?

RIVERA: Clearly the president should remark any time there is a crime that goes to the soul and conscience of America. There is no doubt about it.

Here is what I would recommend to the president. There's a billboard right now running in Memphis, Tennessee, Sean. It says "Black Lives Matter, so let's quit killing each other." That is a great message.  When you say there has been a murder spike in the country, here are the cities that are affected -- Detroit, Oakland, Memphis, St. Louis, Cleveland, Baltimore, Milwaukee, Birmingham, Newark. That's the top 10.  What do they have in common? It is black people killing black people.  That is the epidemic. It is why the police are so often called into contact with young black men is because of this carnage.          HANNITY: After Darren Wilson, police are now afraid to do their job.

RIVERA: If you see what's happening in Baltimore, clearly, there are -- with 225 homicides this year, the death of Freddie Gray begins to pale.  The message is lost when you have blood running in the streets of west Baltimore. I saw it with my own eyes. Where does this end? When are people going to seize the moment and deal with the real issue?  

HANNITY: Because I don't think the cops can get a fair trial.  Hopefully there will be a change of venue. Hopefully they'll get a change in venue.

RIVERA: Three of those six cops, black, by the way.

HANNITY: That's a great point, one a female.        You had Donald Trump on your radio show.        RIVERA: I did, indeed.        

HANNITY: Now, it's interesting, because you are trying to get Donald Trump to apologize. That's never going to happen. He has already taken his stand on immigration. But you gave it your best effort. So let's play part of that.


RIVERA: Do you believe that you could have made the same points without seeming to demonize a whole race of people?

DONALD TRUMP, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: No. I don't think so, Geraldo. I really don't. I think they're tough points. I think we have to make them tough. I think it has to be done properly. You need borders.  I'm a believer in the wall. Walls do work, by the way, but I'm a believer in the wall. And I've seen where people are pouring across the borders, and big league, I mean big league. And you know what is really coming across and going right back are drugs.


HANNITY: There is Geraldo, his tattoo and white tee shirt. Why does that crack me up? You like Donald Trump?         

RIVERA: I love Donald Trump. Donald Trump is my brother. I like him the way you and I have the same kind of relationship. We disagree on policy issues often, not always, but often, but I respect he and you as men.

HANNITY: Why can't you accept that people need to respect our law and sovereignty?  

RIVERA: I get it. But I think that in some ways, if you're wrong in my opinion, I call you out. If Donald Trump is wrong, I have to call him out.

HANNITY: That is fair. We all do.

RIVERA: And I believe this whole notion that there is an illegal alien, his words, murder rate spree going on --

HANNITY: There's 642,000 crimes committed including 3,000 murders, Geraldo.

RIVERA: I don't know where the statistics are. I just read you 10 cities most affected by the current spike in murders. None of them have significant Latino populations.

HANNITY: It's 642,000 crimes committed against Texas. I went and I saw in a border briefing with Rick Perry and border patrol agents.  They have me those numbers.

RIVERA: Why not talk about Juan and Marie who took their kid to school today, or did their job today, or cleaned this today, or picked that today? Or created this today.

HANNITY: Welcome to our family, legally.

RIVERA: I think that there is room for movement amongst all of us. I think compromise is possible. And I think that President Trump can do a more even-handed job than most presidents.

HANNITY: Thanks, Geraldo.

Coming, we need your help. Our "Question of the Day" is straight ahead.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Time for tonight's "Question of the Day." And the question is, should President Obama give a Rose Garden address to denounce the recent cop killings? The answer should be yes.  Just go to Facebook.com/SeanHannity, @SeanHannity on Twitter, let us know what you think.

That's all the time we have left this evening. We hope you'll set your DVR so you never miss an episode because when you're not here, we feel your absence. Anyway, thanks for being with us, and we'll see you back here tomorrow night.

Content and Programming Copyright 2015 Fox News Network, LLC. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Copyright 2015 CQ-Roll Call, Inc. All materials herein are protected by United States copyright law and may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, displayed, published or broadcast without the prior written permission of CQ-Roll Call. You may not alter or remove any trademark, copyright or other notice from copies of the content.