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Clinton compares GOP rivals to terrorists; Gun control debate explodes on 'The Five'

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 28, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Katie Pavlich, Geraldo Rivera, Eric Bolling and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Hillary Clinton. Desperate to get her e-mail scandal out of the news, so she came up with something else to make the headlines, this.

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HILLARY CLINTON, D-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Now, extreme views about women, we expect that from some of the terrorist groups. We expect that from people who don't want to live in the modern world, but it's a little hard to take coming from republicans who want to be the president of the United States, yet they espouse out of date and out of touch policies. They are dead wrong for 21st century America.

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PERINO: She compared Republicans to terrorists at a rally yesterday, for their views on abortion and singled out several republican presidential candidates. One of them was Marco Rubio, and here's his response.

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SEN. MARCO RUBIO, R-FLA., PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: She's desperate. She's panicked. Her campaign is in bad shape. Her views are the ones that are radical. Here's what's most offensive about it. They won't call terrorists, terrorists. Going all the way back to Benghazi and even before that, but they call their political opponents, terrorists.

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PERINO: Clinton was at the DNC summer meeting in Minneapolis today, and Ed Henry was with her. He's gonna joins us now. Before we go to him, I just want to play a little exchange that he had with Hillary Clinton today at a press conference, then we'll get his take on it.

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ED HENRY, SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Were you aware that your husband wanted to give paid speeches to repressive regimes like North Korea? Do you have any comment on these new e-mails that raise questions about conflict of interest involving your aide Huma Abedin. And finally, I wonder if -- you said there's nothing unique about this situation, you've said that before. Can you name one other cabinet secretary, who had their own server?

CLINTON: Well, let me answer one of your questions because I think that's what you are entitled to. Any request that my husband received to be sent to the State Department, to be vetted. So it didn't matter where it was coming from.

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PERINO: Ed, you are entitled to as much time as you'd like to respond to all of that.

HENRY: Well, thank you.

PERINO: Lots going on and you're there at the DNC meeting. Catch us up on the day.

HENRY: Well, look. Hillary Clinton has a mission here. And that ties into her answer to me which is, if you read the New York Times today, it's democrats, not republicans who are registering their frustration that she is the candidate and her team around her have just been wallowing this e- mail thing and not dealing with it head on. Remember the jokes about Snapchat, the joke to me last week in Las Vegas about using a towel to wipe the server. A lot of democrats again, not her republican critics, are saying those jokes fell flat, that the candidate didn't take it seriously. And so I think you heard in her answer, her trying maybe to be a little more combative with me and the press, trying to go on offense, not just sit back on defense. Frankly, that is also why she went after republicans and threw out this idea yesterday that you played, comparing them to terrorists. She wants to get on offense. She's frankly tired of being on defense. But I do think that at one point in the news conference earlier before my questions, she said something about how -- she's not frustrated with these questions. She's willing to answer them. And then a moment or two later, tells me, you know, you're entitled to one question. That sounded like frustration and defensiveness. And so it's a bit of a mixed message.

PERINO: All right, Eric, you have a question to Ed?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: So that interchange with you, it reminded me a lot of when Jorge Ramos stood up and you know, gave it back and forth with Donald Trump. And then he then, you know, he was pushed back. Is she taking her cue from the GOP frontrunner?

HENRY: No. I think, to the contrary, she was attack Donald Trump today. I was with her in Iowa a couple of days ago. She was attacking Donald Trump. Frankly, I think that's part of the strategy I was talking about, look distract from her own problems, go after the GOP. Yesterday it was Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush on abortion and Planned Parenthood, the terrorism comparison about their approach to women. Two days ago, as I mentioned with Donald Trump, she went after him on immigration and other issues. And frankly, we heard that in her speech to the DNC members today because look, she wants to show the DNC members, not only is she not pinned down on the e-mail issue, at least that's what she's trying to claim, but she's ready to go after the republican frontrunner. And what is that mean? Hey, guys, you don't need to bring in Joe Biden to rescue the party. I can take on Donald Trump and the republicans myself.

PERINO: Geraldo.

GERALDO RIVERA, GUEST CO-HOST: Hey Ed, its Geraldo. You know I agree she's not pinned down on the e-mail controversy. I think that her biggest sin in that regard so far is she's been so unpleasant and clumsy in her defensive posture. What I don't understand is how come you guys aren't looking more harshly at Clinton and his foundation and the first class private jet travel and five star hotels? It would seem to me that would be pretty low-hanging fruit to show that here, they raised hundreds of millions and how much has actually gone to help the intended or announced beneficiary?

HENRY: Well, you know, I did try one of the questions that I asked her was about Bill Clinton's speeches, which he was trying to just fire, at least his representatives, and trying to convince the State Department to let him give these speeches tied to North Korea and the democrat republic of Congo, there repressive regimes on the notion that look, the money is not going into his pocket, it's gonna go to charity, it's gonna go to the Clinton foundation. One of the speeches was at, to the tune of $650,000. This is big money from entities tide to these very questionable nations, obviously. And so he was trying to tie it up in charity. SO frankly, I'm just saying, I was trying to get an answer from her. She didn't want to answer that. I agree with you. It may be low-hanging fruit, but frankly, there are not a lot of reporters out here, asking Hillary Clinton about the Clinton foundation. Today, at least, I was the only one who tried.

PERINO: Katie.

KATIE PAVLICH, GUEST CO-HOST: Ed, what is the feeling of the DNC with Joe Biden talk? I mean, people there are talking about Joe Biden and maybe his entrance into this race? I mean, what are they saying there about his potential candidacy?

HENRY: What's interesting is Joe Biden, of course, was not here, but the draft Biden people set up a suite in the DNC hotel behind me. And they're just handing out literature and bumper stickers and the usual political stuff you would expect, but there's a little party bus going by. So far, maybe they're getting ready for Hillary. They are going to the Twins baseball game.

RIVERA: And Bill Clinton.

HENRY: They are going to the Twins baseball game. And so, maybe they're excited about Joe Biden, frankly.

PAVLICH: Maybe.

HENRY: And I think what they're saying is look, keep your powder dry, DNC members because Joe Biden is taking a close look. And frankly, I think what happened away from Minneapolis yesterday in D.C. when Joe Biden went behind closed doors with a labor boss, Richard Trumka is a clear sign he's edging closer to this because he wants organized labor support. Hillary Clinton's gone behind closed doors with the AFL-CIO, a couple of times and so far, they have not endorsed her. She wants that endorsement and hasn't gotten it.

PERINO: OK. This is the one question you've been waiting for all day. It's Gutfeld.

HENRY: OK.

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GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I have a compliment, a comment and question. A compliment is nice time.

HENRY: Hi, Greg.

GUTFELD: Just return it nicely to me.

HENRY: Thank you.

GUTFELD: Comment, how unusual it is that she's accusing republicans of not being in the modern world, when she doesn't drive and she claims she's completely ignorant of modern technology. She didn't know how to use a Blackberry, but saying that they live in the Stone Age. My question is where is Bill Clinton these days? Usually, you would assume that the future first man would be out there trying to help or defend her, but it seems like he's -- I'm just wondering, what's he been up to or what's he into?

HENRY: Well, you're right that it is a curious thing that Bill Clinton is not being used as a surrogate right now, maybe because it's early. And I think, in fairness to Hillary Clinton, if Bill Clinton was out there on the road a lot right now, what would you and I be saying oh, boy, it's not about her. I guess it's about the former president. He's overshadowing her. He's the big dog. And so, I think in fairness to her, she has an opportunity here to get out on her own and try to win this on her own delegate by delegate. And that's why she's talking to the DNC behind me, but you raise a fair point about the modern age. Remember, what we learned in one of the earlier e-mail dumps by the way, from the State Department, that Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin were having a hard time figuring out how to use a fax machine. They say that it was a secure fax machine, not a usual one that most people might have had, but obviously, not a lot of people use fax machines anymore, and she had a hard time using it, so you might have a fair question. By the way, I saw a campaign button out here, in the last couple of days that referred to Bill Clinton as the first dude. So that might be the official title.

GUTFELD: There you go.

PERINO: And Ed, to your question about Bill Clinton asking, if he could go and give a speech in North Korea and the Congo. Remember, it's not only Bill Clinton, it's actually also Hillary Clinton's brother is involved because he was going to North Korea, I don't know with Dennis Rodman or whoever. I mean, obviously, you can imagine that the Hillary Clinton people are thinking Bill Clinton causes a problem for Hillary Clinton over and over again because of a lack of judgment. Her lack of judgment has her now we have the FBI A-team leading, what they call an extremely serious investigation into the fact that she even had a server in the first place less the classification. Is there a frustration.

HENRY: Yeah, and when.

PERINO: Any of the people that are there for the DNC meetings that she has created this era of inevitability, but she might be more vulnerable because of her own actions.

HENRY: Yeah, I just talked to one of the DNC members in private who was telling me look, this inevitability issue, she said that's what Hillary Clinton was trying to do in 2008. And obviously didn't work against Barack Obama. So there are some DNC members here who feel it's curious that the inevitable argument or if it's not an argument, at least the air of inevitability that the Clinton people want to have by suggesting that they're turning the corner and that Joe Biden may not get in. You saw this AP report that maybe people close to Hillary Clinton are urging Joe Biden not to get involved, that they want to clear the field for her. Look, I think it's very clear that Hillary Clinton has issues moving forward. She's trying to turn the page on them. But you're right, when you bring Bill Clinton in -- yes, he's a good -- he's a master politician, but he also brings in negatives like buck raking, the money because remember, what she said about a year ago, about being dead broke when they left the White House. The speeches, you know the speeches are over 500 -- 600,000 a pop, runs counter to that.

PERINO: And the foundation run, basically funds their lifestyle.

BOLLING: And can we just add to that, if they were willing to take $650 grand from North Korea, from Congo and put it into the foundation it begs the question of who else were they willing to take money from, putting it into the foundation, and what were they looking for in return?

HENRY: And that's why democrats are nervous about what else may come out, but I think we also need to point out on Hillary Clinton's side that look, she's been taking all of these things, one after the other on the foundation, the e-mail. And yes, her numbers on being honest and trustworthy are underwater, even more underwater than they were a month ago. However, she still is at the top of the field, struggling in some states maybe against Bernie Sanders, but nationally, like Donald Trump on the republican side, she is still the frontrunner. So she's taken the heat, there may be more coming, but despite that, she's still in the lead.

PERINO: All right, last question from Geraldo.

RIVERA: Ed, you have a situation where Hillary now is suggesting that republicans and conservatives are knuckle-dragging Neanderthals when it comes to women's rights. Is there a single high profile woman in the town behind you who supports a Joe Biden run?

HENRY: Well, I mean, people are not running around declaring their loyalties if you will. But certainly, Joe Biden would be somebody who could bring all kinds of female leaders to the table who, yes, they are excited about the possibility of the first female president. But let's not forget that Joe Biden is the man who in the Senate, as a man, you know got the Violence Against Women Act passed. We've heard Joe Biden out on the anniversary of that important act talk about it, speak out. He was chairman of the judiciary committee as you know. So look, we oftentimes assume -- OK, somebody's a woman, they know more about women's issues. Somebody's a man they know more about this issue. Joe Biden, I would suspect, if he gets into this race, will make the case that while he would not make history obviously, as the first female president, he obviously has stood up for women for many, many years. So that is going to be a contrast. He'll try to bring up against not just Hillary Clinton, but the others in the race because long before Hillary Clinton was in the Senate, Joe Biden was working on these issues.

PERINO: All right. Election, Ed. I don't think we made you as uncomfortable as we usually do. We're going to work on that for another time, but thank you for joining us.

HENRY: All right, (inaudible).

PERINO: All right, next. The survivor of Wednesday's on-air shootings remembers every detail of the attack, that's according to her husband. What he says she did when the gunman started firing

And later, of course it's Facebook Friday. Post your questions now on facebook.com/thefivefnc. We'll be back in just a minute.

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BOLLING: Vicki Gardner was being interviewed on live TV, Wednesday when a deranged gunman named Vester Flanagan opened fire. The reporter and cameraman with her were killed, but she survived and remembers everything. Here's what her -- what she told her husband.

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TIM GARDNER, HUSBAND OF SHOOTING SURVIVOR: She just fell to the ground, curled up in a ball and he shot her while she was on the ground. And that's -- and then she just laid there because she was -- you know, she heard the gun click. And then she didn't hear anything for a long time. She was afraid he was standing over her still.

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BOLLING: Remarkably, Tim Gardner says his wife was able to get up and walk to the ambulance after being shot in the back. She had a kidney and part of her colon removed, but is going to be OK. The president and other democrats have used the shooting as another example to push for gun control. Gardner's husband doesn't blame the gun. Here's what he told Fox News.

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GARDNER: If he hadn't had a gun, he'd have had a knife or he had a machete. He was bound and determined to try to make a name for himself on live TV because he failed at it so many times. So no, I don't blame the gun. I blame the guy that was holding the gun.

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BOLLING: And the father of Alison Parker addressed reporters today. He says, he's going to fight to tighten gun laws, but insists the effort isn't going to take away the Second Amendment rights.

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ANDY PARKER, FATHER OF MURDERED REPORTER: We're not trying to take people's guns away. All we want to do is keep crazy people from getting guns. And there's got to be a way to do it.

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BOLLING: All right, we go to you, Katie, first. You wrote books on guns, your thoughts on both these gentlemen.

PAVLICH: Well, the good news is that there are ways to prevent mentally ill people from getting guns. Virginia is one of those places where if someone is put into the mental health system and their information is then put into the FBI background check system, they are ineligible to buy a gun. Now, in this case, despite the mental health problems that this killer had and he - - the station did their job in saying he needed to go to this mental health institution. You need to get some help. He did. He wasn't legally adjudicated with a mental health problem, so it wasn't on his record. There was nothing on his record that indicated he was ineligible to buy a firearm. He passed the background check that all these people have been advocating for this week. He purchased a very basic 9mm Glock pistol, standard capacity firearm. And so when you look at what's been said, particularly by politicians, Terry McAuliffe, Virginia governor for example, he implied this week that Virginia just doesn't have background checks at all. And that's there -- it's irresponsibly false. Not only do you have to pass a background check, you also have to provide two forms of identification.

RIVERA: They say.

PAVLICH: And one.

RIVERA: That most guns in New York are coming from (inaudible).

PAVLICH: One final point. The National Shooting Sports Foundation has actually done significant work at encouraging states to put mental health records into the FBI background check system, so that these kinds of people don't get their hands on guns.

BOLLING: Now I got up early and I was watching Fox and Friends. I saw when Geraldo Rivera makes a suggestion that couldn't believe. You want to amend the Second Amendment?

RIVERA: You want to amend the fourteenth. We're gonna mess with the constitution. Let's take the stupidest amendment that the constitution has which is the right to keep and bear arms as construed by courts and politicians to allow -- there have been.

BOLLING: And some of us would say it's the only one that allows for the other amendments.

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RIVERA: OK. Then explain this to me. How after if Sandy Hook, Newtown, Connecticut, 26 babies and teachers slaughtered by a deranged gunman, there have been 85,000 gun deaths in this country just since Sandy Hook. And you tell -- we have three times the gun death rate of any civilized nation on earth, three times more than Turkey. I mean what the hell? At some point we have to recognize.

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RIVERA: I'm glad you asked. I'm glad you asked, but let's take off the table. You want to amend the Fourteenth and I want to amend the Second, but my point.

BOLLING: I didn't even bring up the Fourteenth nor do I have an opinion on the Fourteenth.

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PERINO: Can we get.

RIVERA: Let me make -- let me make my point. My son now is going to be a Merchant Mariner. He's had to have education and physical exams and mental exams.

BOLLING: What amendments to the Second Amendment do you wanna do?

RIVERA: Why it is so easy to buy a gun in this country?

PAVLICH: It's not easy, Geraldo.

RIVERA: Why don't you have mandatory training?

PAVLICH: It's not easy.

RIVERA: Why don't you have a drug test when you buy guns?

BOLLING: All right.

RIVERA: Why is it so you can buy guns easier than you can buy a used car?

PERINO: That's not true at all.

BOLLING: Let's listen to this. Milwaukee county sheriff David Clarke has an interesting challenge for President Obama who wants more gun control like Geraldo, in America.

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DAVID CLARKE, MILWAUKEE COUNTY SHERIFF: Here's my challenge for the president of the United States, if you think this is so easy. Forego your secret service protection for you, for the first lady and your children, and see what it's like to have to fend for yourself. And then we'll sit down and have a conversation, so you know what we, here at ground level have to deal with on a daily basis in terms of self-defense. I am done asking people in my community to outsource their personal safety to the government.

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BOLLING: Greg, this is something you've been saying for a long time.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: All these gun rights.

RIVERA: That was reckless and irresponsible. I'm telling you right now.

PAVLICH: OK.

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GUTFELD: Let somebody else talk.

RIVERA: The president of the United States.

GUTFELD: Let somebody else talk.

RIVERA: Is going to forego his.

BOLLING: Please, Greg.

RIVERA: I mean, please.

GUTFELD: Just call Geraldo.

RIVERA: Are we put that on the air? This is a responsible law enforcement official?

BOLLING: He is a responsible.

PAVLICH: Elected by his people, by the way.

BOLLING: Right, right. Greg, please.

GUTFELD: OK.

BOLLING: The floor is yours.

GUTFELD: There's a lot of dishonesty going on coming, specifically from Geraldo. When you look at the statistics, and you know this as well as Katie, say the Washington Post will say they're averaging more than one mass shooting per day. What they do is the overwhelming statistics are gang shootings because they know that gang shootings will not get the headlines. So what they say.

RIVERA: What about suicides?

GUTFELD: No, no, but gang -- so you're telling me there's not a lot of gang shootings?

RIVERA: There's more suicide than murder.

GUTFELD: There are more gang shootings than mass shootings. And when you look at statistics, you find that there is actually no increase in mass shootings once you look at gang shootings. So you're being disingenuous. You're saying like all these things are happening all the time and we don't care about dead babies. Screw you. We do care about dead babies.

RIVERA: Dead babies?

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RIVERA: You bring up abortion now?

GUTFELD: That's what you said.

RIVERA: This is a cop.

GUTFELD: You said babies die.

RIVERA: Who says the president.

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RIVERA: The President should forego his secret service protection?

GUTFELD: Yes, but you.

RIVERA: After we've been traumatized with president's being assassinated? How dare he? How dare he?

GUTFELD: The point is it's actually brilliant. The point is brilliant.

RIVERA: Brilliant?

GUTFELD: If you want to live by your beliefs, then you should be prepared to sincerely live by them.

RIVERA: The president of the United States.

GUTFELD: That means when you go to Fox News every morning, Geraldo, you don't have armed security either.

BOLLING: All right, let me bring -- can we bring Dana in here? Terry McAuliffe, as Katie point out, was within minutes of the shooting saying -- tying this to gun laws, too early, too soon? What's the political fallout?

PERINO: Well I think that a lot of this is all unhelpful because it doesn't get to the root problem which is that he was obviously a mentally ill person. He was not diagnosed. His family couldn't get him help and he snapped, and so that is actual the common denominator in a lot of the mass shootings or in the cold-blooded ones that we see. Terry McAuliffe -- if somebody could show me a policy that says these specific changes on gun laws would prevent more mentally ill people from getting guns -- whatever. If they could actually show me that, I could be persuaded. And I think that is persuadable. What is not helpful is when a governor comes out, minutes before even knowing anything about the shooter and makes policy pronouncements.

BOLLING: He's not even caught yet.

PERINO: That's true -- but no, yeah. Before he was even caught because that's where he goes. It's actually -- they think that it's easier to deal with the gun problem, than it is to deal with the mental health problem. And guess what because of that type of fighting, no problems get solved.

GUTFELD: And that's -- and so Geraldo and I will go back and forth with this until the day we die. No, we will. You will be on one side, I'll be on the other, but there's one little.

RIVERA: As long as you don't shoot me.

GUTFELD: Yes, yes. And I won't say, screw you anymore. But anyway, a lot of these employers adopt a policy to provide as little information as possible to future employers. That's another problem. The employers knew this guy was trouble and they didn't tell anybody about it. That's a problem.

BOLLING: We need to wrap it up. Good debate. Always heated, but always good, always ends nicely.

All right, still to come, Facebook Friday. But first, Carly Fiorina doesn't think CNN is giving her a fair shake when it comes to the upcoming debate. You'll hear from the presidential candidate, next.

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PAVLICH: Carly Fiorina's poll numbers soared after a strong performance to the afternoon presidential debate on Fox News this month. And now she's in the top tier of candidates, but Fiorina may not be among the top 10 on stage at the primetime CNN debate next month because their qualifying criteria includes using polls that date back before the first debate. The candidate is challenging those rules, she told Greta Van Susteren.

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CARLY FIORINA, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm in the top five in every state-wide poll. Actually, we do have state primaries, not national primaries. And I'm also comfortably in the top ten in every national poll.  So maybe them using all these polls from before August 6 is a little bit like keeping a football game -- a football team out of the playoffs because of a preseason game.

This is a Republican primary debate. The RNC, in my mind, should be in charge of it, not CNN. And in the end, voters get to decide.

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PAVLICH: You know, Dana, don't you think this has a lot to do with CNN really looking at not actually giving people a benefit for being successful and rising to the top for a good performance at the debate?

PERINO: I think what -- I think what happened is that CNN got itself too far over its skis in announcing their rules without giving it a little bit of time or thinking it through or having more discussion. Because it is a busy time of year. People really want to have things nailed down. The debate is high stakes. It's big ratings. And you've got 17 candidates.  How are you going to deal with them? I think they just got themselves boxed in.

Because I would imagine that over at CNN that they are thinking, "Gosh, maybe we should have changed these rules." But now how do you do that?

PAVLICH: Eric, don't you think the RNC is responsible a little bit?

BOLLING: I think this is the best thing for Carly Fiorina. Look what she did the last time, when she was on -- what did they call it -- the happy hour debate. And I think CNN is going to be 6 and 9, if I'm not mistaken, the two debates. She can do it again. I mean, she smoked the field last time. I know she wants to get on the big stage, but boy, being the big fish on the smaller stage really worked for her the first time. Sometimes you go back to the well.

PAVLICH: But Greg, don't you think that she's ready to play at the big fish level? I mean, I think she was ready before, and obviously, she shined because she was in the smaller pond. But I think she's ready to go at it with big dogs.

GUTFELD: I'm sure if her name was Carl and not Carly it would be a different story.

PERINO: I agree.

GUTFELD: I can't believe that they put Carol -- what's her name, Carol Cassidy? Carol Costello on the air. They put Carol Costello on the air.  Have you watched her?

RIVERA: Come on, Greg.

GUTFELD: But they won't put Carly?

RIVERA: It's insulting.

GUTFELD: I know. It is insulting.

But I mean, Carly, she's probably the most articulate candidate going.

PAVLICH: Yes.

RIVERA: Carol Costello?

GUTFELD: No. Carly Fiorina.

BOLLING: But what happens if you change the rule? Like she petitions -- Carly petitions the RNC. They push for CNN. They change a rule, and someone...

PERINO: Someone's going to drop out.

BOLLING: How about the fight from that?

RIVERA: I think she has a legitimate beef, personally.

PAVLICH: We know that, you know, they are taking polls from before. But we also know that they're doing polls every single month. And Carly actually made a good point this morning on America's newsroom. She talked about we're doing new polling every single month, showing the changing in the field. And the polls are a snapshot of time. So why is it that they're now using old polls to determine who's going to be onstage?

PERINO: And Katie, it's not just the polls. It's the fact that she -- when she goes to places like Iowa this past weekend, she had more people show up at her event than they were anticipating. Much more. More than, like, the population of the town.

And so I actually think if they're thinking about ratings, people want to see her. They're showing up. They're, like, actually going in person. So I think they would turn on.

The other thing I would add about Carly Fiorina is that don't listen to the nonsense. If you hear somebody say, "Well, she's just running because she wants to be vice president." That's something you say about a woman candidate on the Republican field if you are not a serious person.

She is running for president of the United States. If she is eventually chosen to be a vice-presidential candidate in the future, that has no bearing on what she wants to do right now. She has fought and I think deserves to be at the big table.

PAVLICH: I'm so glad you brought that up, because it's been driving me crazy that initially when she got into the race, that people have been saying, "Oh, she's only going for a V.P. position."

No, she's running for president. And that's the position she wants. And that's what she's running for.

RIVERA: And she -- she wears well. I mean, unlike some of the candidates -- I won't mention their names -- when you see more and more of them you think less and less of them.

PERINO: I do see that.

RIVERA: In Carly Fiorina's case, the more you see of her, the more pleasant, intelligent and competent she seems.

PAVLICH: Speaking of wearing well, maybe this is or is not one of the people you're talking to about.

But to the Republican frontrunner, Donald Trump. Is he rising or is the rest of the Republican field sinking? And will he maintain his firm grip on the race, now that he's revealed he's a tax-the-rich kind of guy?

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DONALD TRUMP, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE (via phone): The concept of hedge funds. Now, these are guys, they don't really build anything. They shuffle paper. They go back and forth. They live beautifully. And so do I and so do you and so do all of us. OK.

I could tell you I have friends that laugh about how little they pay. And it's not fair to the middle class. So I will have a plan. The hedge fund guys won't be happy, but pretty much everybody else is going to love it.

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PAVLICH: Trump is going to be releasing his full tax plan in the coming weeks.

And I want to go to Eric on this one. Is it that hedge fund managers just push paper and don't do much?

BOLLING: Maybe, maybe. The problem is, it's almost impossible just to target just the hedge fund managers. When you're -- when you're going after carried interest, you're going to go after international businesses.  You're going to go after international banking. They all have to use that carried interest. And if you raise the cost of doing business you're going to end up losing people to hire.

Interesting, though. Donald Trump says he's going to release his tax plan in four weeks. The CNN debate is in three weeks. It's very nice timing to get through that debate before he put the tax out.

PAVLICH: Dana, don't you think it's going to have trouble if he's going to hit hedge fund managers now? If he's really long-term in terms of fundraising?

PERINO: I don't think there's a lot of people in America who would disagree with them. I mean, there's a few who understand the policy about wanting to encourage economic growth.

But if you're just, like, from a pure, like, "I want to get your attention," there's not a lot of people that feel sorry for hedge fund guys. I think it's probably -- it's a smart political move, if you can actually carry it out with a policy. And I guess we'll find out in a month what it would look like.

PAVLICH: Greg, isn't Chelsea Clinton's husband a hedge fund manager?

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

GUTFELD: I don't follow her life closely enough. But I will say yes.  After -- after what Donald Trump did to Jorge Ramos, I think the more interesting thing to look forward to if there's ever going to be a confrontation between Trump and Black Lives Matter. If that -- how will he handle that?

RIVERA: Very interesting.

GUTFELD: That's going to be -- that's the lead card.

RIVERA: It would make our tiff pale by comparison.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

RIVERA: I think Trump is doing very well. I think that his charisma and energy is what makes the others look so pale. This is the best I've seen Marco Rubio look, though, his criticism of Hillary Clinton. That's the smoothest and most competent I've seen Senator Rubio.

PAVLICH: All right. Well, don't move, because "Facebook Friday" is up next.

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GUTFELD: Hey, it's Facebook Friday, and I've got your questions. We'll start with you, Katie, and work around the table.

All right. This is an interesting question from Danna I: "Someone gives you 100 bucks and says spend it on something fun for yourself. What do you buy?"

PAVLICH: Dinner with my girlfriends.

GUTFELD: Aww. What would you go eat?

PAVLICH: That's a good question. I don't know.

GUTFELD: They have great apps at Applebee's.

PAVLICH: That would be great. We could go three times.

GUTFELD: Go to bottomless breadsticks at...

PAVLICH: Olive Garden.

GUTFELD: ... Olive Garden.

PAVLICH: They have dollar menu at McDonald's?

GUTFELD: Yes, I'm not allowed to go there after what happened in the bathroom.

PAVLICH: Oh, OK.

GUTFELD: Geraldo, where would you spend your $100 on?

RIVERA: I'm going to sound like an alkie. They asked my favorite drink last week. But I would buy drinks for the house.

GUTFELD: Yes.

RIVERA: I like to buy drinks for the house and then leave a big tip, a fat tip. A disproportionately large tip.

BOLLING: There you go. That's a good idea.

GUTFELD: Eric, 100 bucks?

BOLLING: After my ten bucks of tithing, clearly? I would have to go in with Katie and her friends. No, I'm teasing. I would take my beautiful wife and my son to a nice dinner at the River Palm. Geraldo's neighborhood.

RIVERA: Best steak house in Jersey.

GUTFELD: Dana, how about you?

PERINO: I'm not spending it on anyone else. Mani-pedi for sure.

GUTFELD: Who's he? Good friend of yours?

PERINO: Want me to introduce you to him?

GUTFELD: Yes, Manny Pedi. Nice man.

I would go and spend it on some canned goods and then give it to the homeless. Geraldo, you laugh?

RIVERA: Yes.

GUTFELD: Because you know I'm lying. Of course, I would spend it on booze.

PAVLICH: Make sure you get a can opener. That's just mean if you don't.

GUTFELD: That's true. All right. Well, no, they have those other tops.

OK. This way. This is so obvious. This is from Susan B.: "What are your favorite music genres?"

PERINO: Well, I obviously love country music, and I like Americana.

GUTFELD: Wow, that's interesting. Is that a coffee flavor? What's wrong with you?

PERINO: Probably.

GUTFELD: Eric.

BOLLING: So I like classic rock, and I try and bump in with pop scene.  Love classic rock. And I like try and bop out with some pop, because I enjoy the pop scene, too. I like hip-hop, too. And one of -- oddly enough the one genre I've never -- I'm still trying to get into is country.

PERINO: And you don't eat red meat. I mean, there's -- we've got to work on you.

RIVERA: I have no country connection at all. I was born and raised in New York. And I love Johnny Cash. Bob Dylan is my...

GUTFELD: People are either into really, really Bob Dylan or not at all.

RIVERA: Totally.

GUTFELD: You can't be -- you can't be a middle of the road Bob Dylan fan.

PAVLICH: I like country, rock country, hard rock.

GUTFELD: Crountry (ph) as they call it.

PERINO: You like hard rock?

PAVLICH: I do like hard rock every now and then when I'm rocking out in the car. Then I like old-school rock like the Eagles and Fleetwood Mac.

GUTFELD: OK. That makes me feel really old. "I like old people music like the Eagles and Fleetwood Mac."

My -- of course, my favorite music is polka. You know, living in the Penn Dutch area.

RIVERA: (HUMMING)

GUTFELD: I can do the chicken dance.

All right, so we'll go to Eric. This is from Louise P. "Are you a morning person?"

BOLLING: Yes. I get up at 5:45 every morning. Yes, I enjoy the morning.  It's a very regular schedule: 11: at night, sleep. My wife watches "Seinfeld." I get up at 5:45.

GUTFELD: I thought she meant are you unhappy, like are you a mourning person? It is.

BOLLING: No, I'm fine.

GUTFELD: What about you?

RIVERA: I'm a late-night person. That's why I have morning radio talk show, which I hate getting up for. I like staying up late and then doing things like taking selfies and stuff.

GUTFELD: That is true. All your most dangerous work is at 2 a.m., Geraldo.

RIVERA: Two a.m.

GUTFELD: It really is. That's when you've got to turn everything off.

RIVERA: Nothing good happens after 1 a.m.

GUTFELD: Especially in front of an ATM, as Chris Rock would say.

PAVLICH: That's true. Or in front of a mirror, as we know.

I am a night owl person.

PERINO: Wow.

PAVLICH: But I have to get up early so I can. I can be a morning person, but I think I'm hard wired to be a late-night person.

GUTFELD: We know your answer. What time do you -- what time do you get up?

PERINO: I get up later than Eric. When I worked at the White House, I had to get up at 4:15. And that was kind of brutal. And I would start waking up like 3:45, so I could -- you know, I like to beat the alarm. But now I don't use an alarm, but I wake up between -- somewhere between 6 and 6:30.

GUTFELD: Is your alarm Manny Pedi? Don't feed him anymore. I'm neither a morning or a late person. I just wake up whenever.

PERINO: You're barely a person.

GUTFELD: I'm barely a -- I just walk around. If I'm awake. A friend of mine, who you know, Paul, claims that you should get up when you get up.  No matter when you're awake you should get up and stay up. Because that's what you used to do before electricity.

PERINO: My problem is, I would stay up all the time because I never get tired.

GUTFELD: Yes, that's true.

PERINO: I get tired but not sleepy. I get, like, you know. It's a medical problem.

PERINO: It is a medical problem. You should seek help immediately.

All right, next, there are some new words and phrases in Oxford's Dictionary. Have I banned any of them? Yes, I have. "Drop the mic." Any of them? Geraldo has the list ahead.

RIVERA: I never heard drop the mike before.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

RIVERA: Oxford has added 1,000 new words and phrases to its online dictionary. You know, the edition is reflecting our evolving cultural, political, social norms. Here are some of them. I don't know this. Do you know "awesomesauce"?

PAVLICH: I do know that word. I invented that word.

RIVERA: What does it mean?

PAVLICH: I'm not sure. Look it up in the dictionary now.

RIVERA: "Mic drop"? I heard you don't like that one.

GUTFELD: Yes. I banned that one.

RIVERA: What does that mean?

GUTFELD: That's something that you would -- basically, it says that you've said something amazing, and then you drop the mic. Kind of like when I said "screw you."

PERINO: Like if you want to get fired.

GUTFELD: Yes.

RIVERA: Dana, do you ever get hangry?

PERINO: Always. That's one of the words I agree with on this list.

RIVERA: And microaggression? You know "microaggression"?

BOLLING: That just made the Oxford list right now? We've been talking about it for the better part of two years.

RIVERA: Microaggression?

BOLLING: Yes.

RIVERA: What is it?

BOLLING: It's little things, innuendo that that could be perceived as racist or wrong to college kids.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PAVLICH: It's an aggression so small that you might not know it's an aggression.

GUTFELD: An example would be going up to an Asian person and saying, "Can you help me with this math problem?" That's an example of a microaggression.

RIVERA: That's a really micro.

BOLLING: Or having a taco night at a fraternity...

RIVERA: Or like when you work with a Jewish person. Or...

BOLLING: A fraternity having a taco night at their fraternity house, and someone would consider that racist.

RIVERA: Well, that's a little -- "weak sauce." Weak sauce, something poor in disappointing in terms of standard or quality.

"Wine o'clock." I like that one, "wine o'clock." I think it's wine o'clock now. It's been wine o'clock for quite a while.

GUTFELD: I came up with two new words.

RIVERA: What?

GUTFELD: "Devaning." That's the act of -- the act of selling precious metals to anxious investors. "Devaning."

BOLLING: That sounds like the act of miming.

RIVERA: That sounds like a brain fart to me. Or a butt dial. We know a butt dial.

GUTFELD: And "Hillarity." "Hillarity," the act of laughing when asked about any wrongdoing.

PERINO: Hilarity when asked about Hillary.

GUTFELD: Yes. Well, "Hillarity," that was the -- "Hillarity."

PERINO: I know, but nobody got that. You've got to explain it.

RIVERA: Run that by us one more time?

PERINO: I'm just disappointed in Oxford altogether. I mean, 1,000 new words? They ought to show a little self-restraint.

GUTFELD: They're desperate. They're desperate. Nobody is using -- buying the dictionary anymore.

RIVERA: And yet when you see the term "fat shame." "Fat shame" is a term that was waiting to happen and is very descriptive. And I think very appropriate.

PERINO: Waiting to happen.

PAVLICH: I'm just happy to know that I'm now on Oxford dictionary as the "manic pixie dream girl." I'm glad that finally made it in there, because that, you know, describes me. So...

RIVERA: You are the manic pixie dream girl?

PAVLICH: Not actually.

PERINO: There's one that...

PAVLICH: I don't even know what this means, actually.

PERINO: Geraldo, there's one that's totally ridiculous.

PAVLICH: Vivacious and appealing.

RIVERA: What is it?

PERINO: This one's totally ridiculous. It's "M," capital "M," small "X."  And this is a noun. A title used before a person's surname or full name by those who wish to avoid specifying their gender. Now it's like "mX."

GUTFELD: mX.

RIVERA: That's why Trump has legs in this race. Because...

GUTFELD: Because of mX?

RIVERA: Because everyone is bending over backwards to not offend anyone.

"One More Thing" is up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: Well, it's time now for "One More Thing." You get my joke?

GUTFELD: That was terrible.

PERINO: Thank you. Well, it's an inside joke. Table joke.

GUTFELD: Yes, yes.

PERINO: All right. Up first.

GUTFELD: Keep it outside. All right. Sunday night, my show, "Greg Gutfeld Show," 10 p.m. Eastern. I've got a lot of good guests. Colin Quinn is on. But also, I got Owen Wilson to talk about Trump.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Does he excite you, intrigue you or scare you?

OWEN WILSON, ACTOR: Well, I think, you know, like everybody, I you know, tuned into that first debate. And when is the last time that you tuned into a debate...

GUTFELD: True.

WILSON: ... that, you know, was that early in the primaries with ten people? And it's because of Trump.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: There you go. For more of that, watch the show Sunday. And the repeat Saturday.

PERINO: That's a good one. I like him.

All right. I want to talk a little bit about some new discoveries I had on Instagram. I'm not very good on Instagram. Well, I'm actually -- I post really great pictures of my dog on Instagram.

RIVERA: Of course.

PERINO: But I found a couple of things I think are worth passing on. So if you want to get onto this one. British Museum. This whole week, the British Museum has been doing a whole World War II thing where they go back, show you pictures from the archive. It's been really interesting.  You can learn a lot at that one.

I also like Earth Gallery. This is where you have all these pictures of all around the world. Those are really good.

And here's mine. Let's see, I have this one. An you can imagine, there's just a lot of dog pictures. If you've missed Jasper pictures on Twitter.

GUTFELD: It's all elaborate. An elaborate invention so you could show more dog pictures.

PERINO: It's true. It's true, but it works very well.

GUTFELD: It didn't work. It was too obvious.

PERINO: Everyone is talking about -- everybody is going right now on Instagram and loading onto it. Right, Eric?

BOLLING: Very good, stuff. Two big primetime promos to talk about. No. 1, at 7 p.m. Greta has an exclusive sit-down with Alek Skarlatos...

PERINO: Cool.

BOLLING: ... and his family. He's the Army National Guardsman who stopped the terrorist on a train in France. So make sure you check that one out at 7.

And then keep it tuned to FOX News. I'm going to be hosting "The O'Reilly Factor." It's a special tonight on the 2016 election, going through the Trump campaign, the Hillary Clinton campaign, Jeb campaign, all of them.  Carl Cameron, Ed Henry is going to show up tonight. Robert Costa, who wrote a great piece...

PERINO: I love him.

BOLLING: ... in Washington Post. And Larry Sabato will be breaking it down.

PERINO: Wow. That's a good group.

RIVERA: You do a good job on that show.

PERINO: All right, K.P.

PAVLICH: It's my turn now. So this awesome video comes to you from the Pennsylvania Game Commission. And we all wonder if bears do their business in the woods. Well, apparently, they also take baths in the woods.

PERINO: How cute.

PAVLICH: This guy was in the Delaware State Forest, and Northeast Regional Wildlife Conservation officers put up a trail camera. And it was a hot August day. So he decided to just get in and hang out.

PERINO: That's pretty cute.

GUTFELD: You know what's cute? He'd eat you alive. Look at this giant bear. "Oh, he's so cute, adorable." He will eat you, given the chance.

PAVLICH: And drown you, too.

BOLLING: You know why they set up that camera right there in the hot August -- right? They weren't looking for bears. Yes.

PERINO: That wouldn't have occurred to me until just now.

Geraldo, you're next.

RIVERA: Our thoughts and prayers are to the folks in the Caribbean island of Dominica. Got pretty hard by Tropical Storm Erika. There are at least 12 dead. I heard as many as 20 dead.

But as severe as it was in the Leeward and the Windward Islands out there, by the time it got to Puerto Rico, it was just a rain event. And the Caribbean has been drought-stricken. You know, it was -- we haven't been able to get -- I own, actually own a little island there off the coast of Puerto Rico. It has been so dry. I love it there. I haven't -- we haven't been able...

GUTFELD: You own an island?

RIVERA: We haven't been able to get out there yet. I think we have some video of...

BOLLING: Gun-free zone?

RIVERA: You don't have the -- don't have the...

PERINO: You have video of your island?

RIVERA: The video. Yes, there it is. That's it. And Liam and I -- the water has been too rough for me to get -- for our...

GUTFELD: I just have an island in my kitchen.

PERINO: Is this all an elaborate ruse to show pictures from your island?

RIVERA: It's a mile square. I do whatever I want whenever I want there.  That's me.

PAVLICH: With your shirt off again?

GUTFELD: What is this show becoming?

RIVERA: I thought what would a week of "The Five" be without me taking my clothes off at least one time?

GUTFELD: Yes.

PAVLICH: Well...

RIVERA: Have a great weekend.

PERINO: I don't know what happened to this show. Set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." Have a great weekend. "Special Report" is next.

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