Mark Levin slams Jorge Ramos for having an agenda; Paul calls Trump a 'fake conservative'

Radio host reacts to Donald Trump's tense presser on 'Hannity'


This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," August 26, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: And welcome to "Hannity." The killing of a local Virginia reporter and her cameraman on live television stunned the nation today, and we're starting to learn more about the alleged gunman. Forty- one-year-old Vester Lee Flanagan has been described as a disgruntled former journalist at WDBJ in Virginia, where he used the on-air name Bryce Williams.

Now, here's how the station's general manager described Flanagan earlier today.


JEFF MARKS, WDBJ STATION MANAGER: Vester was an unhappy man. He -- we employed him as a reporter, and he had some talent in that respect and some experience, although he'd been out of the business for a while.

When he was hired here, he quickly became -- gathered a reputation of someone who was difficult to work with, would you say, Joe Deshiell? He was sort of looking out for people to say things that he could take offense to.

He -- and eventually, after many incidents of his anger coming to the fore, we dismissed him. And he did not take that well. We had to call the police to escort him from the building.


HANNITY: Joining us now with more, Christina Edney. She is a former colleague of the two deceased victims, and she was an intern when the shooting suspect worked at the station.

Christina, our thoughts and prayers go out to everybody there, the families, obviously. What can you tell us about him?


HANNITY: Yes, ma'am.

EDNEY: He -- as I mentioned, I was an intern there while he was there. I went on a couple of stories with him. He was a little intimidating. He, as just mentioned, had some talent in the reporting aspect, but was known for some conflicts with other people that were there.  I personally never had any direct conflict with him.

HANNITY: Did you see his anger? Did you see that he was difficult to work with? Did you see that he was looking to take offense at things, being disgruntled?

EDNEY: I saw that he was maybe sensitive to certain things, but other than that, I never personally saw him...

HANNITY: What would those things be? Were they race-related?  Because there's issues of race in this manifesto.

EDNEY: I have heard those things. I never saw any race or sexual orientation or any other aspects of that. I saw sometimes if a story didn't go the right way, he would get very frustrated, minor things that seemed to be more of a big deal to him than maybe to others.

HANNITY: ABC said he was a black gay man. Was that well -- you know, was that part of his life subject to any discussion in the newsroom?

EDNEY: That he was -- I'm sorry, what?

HANNITY: The issue that he was gay, as reported by ABC -- was that a discussion in the newsroom? Did he ever get taunted by anybody? Were people unfair to him?

EDNEY: No, sir, those were things that we never talked about. Anyone in the newsroom, their sexual orientation, has never been a concern to anyone not just with the shooter that we're talking about right now but with anyone in the newsroom there at WDBJ 7.

HANNITY: What can you tell us about Alison and Adam?

EDNEY: Alison -- I'll start with her -- was just a vibrant, vibrant young reporter. She's very young, very just eager to learn more about reporting, working her way up the ladder and doing it quickly.

Adam is the most caring person, one of the most caring person -- people that I've ever met. He -- one time, it was snowing and I had an hour commute to work, and he offered to come pick me up an hour away and drive me back and do it all again the next day, would do anything for anybody, complete strangers. He barely knew me at that time, so just both very caring, very loving people.

HANNITY: all right, Christina, our thoughts and prayers go out to your friends, and of course, their family members. What a tragic loss.  What a horrific act of evil.

Here with more reaction, Milwaukee County sheriff David Clarke, and from the FOX News medical "A-Team" Dr. Keith Ablow, former NYPD detective Bo Dietl.

Keith, let me start with the mental aspect of this. Anybody that -- you know, he's taping himself, he's holding the gun out, then puts it down, then puts it up again. And I mean, that to me is just pure evil.

You read the manifesto of his, the so-called manifesto. What's your reaction?

DR. KEITH ABLOW, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Well, a couple of things, Sean.  Number one, the racial, you know, overtones here, or the stark racial commentary from Mr. Flanagan -- you know, people with mental illnesses -- it is a very charged topic, race. Sometimes there's symptoms, if he was mentally ill. Sometimes people's symptoms are galvanized to that very, very charged topic.

So there's a reason why people with delusions sometimes think they're Jesus because of the incredible charge to that subject matter. So simply because he's talking about race doesn't mean that he wasn't mentally ill.

And another thing. This broadcasting of horrific events or posting to Facebook -- we're in a very strange time when we see this with ISIS, the terrorist group. Now we see it with him. We saw it with that young man in California, the son of the producer, who also taped himself...


ABLOW: ... planning to hurt people...

HANNITY: Let me...

ABLOW: ... Eliot Rogers (ph). And so I think we've got to be very careful about the way that can fuel pathology.

HANNITY: You know, Bo, you've dealt with a lot of rough characters in your career. Sheriff, I know you have, too. But I mean, I'm watching this guy just standing there like this with his gun out and filming it!

BO DIETL, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Yes, I mean, before...

HANNITY: I mean, at point-blank range!

DIETL: Before he even started shooting, he was waving it around.  He's holding it. He's got his camera in one hand. And then if you look at the manifesto about Columbine, the he talked about the Charleston shooting and this is his vengeance. So

he prepared this. Supposedly, he contacted ABC prior to let them know he was going to do something horrific. This was a well planned thing. And if he survived, I hate to say it, but this would be characterized as a racial attack.

HANNITY: A hate crime, a racial hate crime.

DIETL: Absolutely.

HANNITY: Sheriff, do you agree with that?

DAVID CLARKE, MILWAUKEE COUNTY SHERIFF: First of all, my thoughts and prayers go out to the two victims, their surviving family members, and the employees to that TV station.

Sometimes, Sean, we have a tendency in the aftermath of these to hyper-analyze and overanalyze these things and try to find some sort of reason and sense about what happened. As you said, this was just a senseless act of evil.

This guy here, he'd wake up in the morning, look in the mirror, and he'd see himself as the next Lester Holt or Larry Elder or Harris Faulkner or Uma Pemaraju, the next rising black star in television news. The problem is that the television news producers didn't see that sort of talent. So he couldn't deal with his inadequacy.

So he woke up this morning, he looked in the mirror, didn't like what he saw, and decided the only way he was going to make a name in TV news was to go out and find two people doing their job that had nothing to do with his inadequacies or inferiority complex and take them out so that he could be the headline news.

I think the best thing that we can do after today is never speak of this guy again.

HANNITY: All right-...

ABLOW: Well...

HANNITY: Real quick, Keith.

ABLOW: I'm not so sure about that. I'm not so sure because I think in so many of these cases, Sean, when you look at the data, you say, Wait, this guy was psychiatrically a mess. Why didn't anyone see it?

DIETL: You know, Sean, that's important, Doc. Also, when we do backgrounds on this, the employer won't say why he was fired. So in other words, he couldn't get along with anybody. But if they say something, he'll have a lawsuit against the employer if they say he was fired.

HANNITY: Crazy, right? They can't even tell us.

DIETL: (INAUDIBLE) a Catch-22, sexual harassment or anything like this. And it's wrong because I want to know who I'm hiring. And if this guy was a bad dude and he couldn't get along with people, I'd like to know.  And you can't do that. The employer has to hush up.

HANNITY: The whole thing is sad. All right, thank you...

CLARKE: I know we can assign fancy names in the medical field, but this is a pure act of evil.

HANNITY: All right, guys, thank you, all.

Coming up next tonight here on "Hannity"...




TRUMP: Excuse me. Sit down. You weren't called. Sit down.


TRUMP: Sit down.

RAMOS: No, I'm a...

TRUMP: Sit down!


TRUMP: Go ahead.

RAMOS: I have the right to ask a...

TRUMP: No, you don't.


HANNITY: All right, Trump 1, Jorge Ramos nothing. Things got testy last night between the two of them.

Coming up next, the "great one," Mark Levin. He has reaction.

Then later tonight...

HILLARY CLINTON, D-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:  Don't get distracted by the flamboyant front-runner.


CLINTON: Most of the other Republican candidates are just Trump without the pizzazz or the hair.



HANNITY: Hillary Clinton, scared to death, cuts her vacation short to get back to campaigning. She takes a swipe at Trump, but she's really afraid of the FBI and crazy uncle Joe Biden getting in the race. That's all -- that and more straight ahead.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So things got pretty testy yesterday during Donald Trump's press conference in Iowa last night.  Univision's Jorge Ramos starting shouting at Republican front-runner Donald Trump, then he got escorted out of the room. Watch this.


TRUMP: OK, who's next? Yes, please.


TRUMP: Excuse me. Sit down. You weren't called. Sit down.


TRUMP: Sit down.

RAMOS: No, I'm a...

TRUMP: Sit down!


TRUMP: Go ahead.

RAMOS: I have the right to ask a...

TRUMP: No, you don't. You haven't been called.

RAMOS: (INAUDIBLE) I have the right to ask a question.

TRUMP: Go back to Univision. Go ahead.

RAMOS: You cannot deport 11 million...

TRUMP: Go ahead.

RAMOS: You cannot deport 11 million people. You cannot...


TRUMP: Go ahead.

RAMOS: You cannot deny citizenship to (INAUDIBLE)

TRUMP: Sit down, please.


TRUMP: You weren't called.

RAMOS: I'm a reporter, and I have (INAUDIBLE) don't touch me, sir.  Don't touch me.



RAMOS: I have the right to ask a question.


HANNITY: And Donald Trump eventually let Jorge Ramos back into the room in the presser and allowed him to ask a question, which ultimately led to even more sparring.


RAMOS: How are you going to deport 11 million (INAUDIBLE)

TRUMP: Here's what we're going to do. Ready?

RAMOS: (INAUDIBLE) Are you going to bring the Army?

TRUMP: No, no. Let me tell you. Let me tell you. We're going to do it in a very humane fashion. Believe me. I have a bigger heart than you do.

The one thing we're going to start with immediately are the gangs, and the real bad ones. And you do agree there are some bad ones. Do you agree with that, or do you think everyone's just perfect?


TRUMP: No, no, no. I asked you a question.


TRUMP: Do you agree with that?


TRUMP: We have tremendous crime. We have tremendous problems...

RAMOS: (INAUDIBLE) not criminals.

TRUMP: This -- I can't -- I can't deal with this.


HANNITY: All right, here now with reaction, author of a brand-new New York Times number one best-seller now for the last three weeks, "Plunder and Deceit: Big Government's Exploitation of Young People in the Future," I call him the "great one," Mark Levin.

You know, a couple things. Jorge Ramos is an advocate. He is not a - - he's not a journalist, as he claims. He's not a reporter, as he claims.  He doesn't have a right to ask a question and disrupt a press conference the way he did. Donald Trump graciously allowed him to have this exchange with him, and Donald Trump mopped the floor with him!

At least, that was my perception. What's yours?

MARK LEVIN, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Well, your perception is exactly right. I was very proud of what Donald Trump did. Jorge Ramos is a bully.  And Jorge Ramos tries to control events. Jorge Ramos jumped the line there. He wasn't -- it wasn't his turn to ask questions. And he would have been able to ask questions.

But look, Ramos is a fanatic, he's obnoxious, he's a pretend journalist. He's running around today saying that he's defending the 1st Amendment. Really? Since when are hecklers defending the 1st Amendment?

He's got an agenda and he advances it. You know, Sean, I did a little checking. About three years ago. he was named one of the 100 biggest leaders or movers by Time magazine, and he -- and he wrote about himself, and he said, among other thing, "But I've never ceased to be Mexican. I've two passports and I vote in elections in both countries. I'm deeply proud of this privileged duality. The best thing about America is its embrace of diversity."

No, the best thing about America is America, Mr. Ramos. Now, America's immigrant system isn't the problem. Mexico's immigration system is the problem. Latin America's immigration system is the problem. Their governments are the problem. Why are they exporting their next generation into America, Mr. Ramos?

And you -- you're proud of your duality and your diversity. Why is it that you're not spending time in Mexico? Have you ever read their immigration laws? Have you ever read its constitution? If the United States of America took Mexico's immigration laws and stamped America's immigration laws on it, then you would see oppression and repression and disaster and calamity!

Mr. Ramos is taking advantage of this country. And I noticed not in any of his questions to Donald Trump did he ask about the effects of illegal immigration on American citizens. They never call our children "dreamers." Mr. Ramos is a Balkanizer! He's a racialist! He's gotten very rich doing it. But he has nothing to do with, as far as I'm concerned, what's good going forward for this country!

HANNITY: You know, you keep watching this Trump phenomenon, Mark, and in this instance, I thought he showed that he was tough. He stood his ground. He made intelligent arguments. He was patient. And at the end of the day, he came out on top.

Is there something some other candidates can learn from Trump and his aggressiveness and his no-holds-barred style?

LEVIN: Absolutely! Talk like a regular person. Americans like it.  That's number one. Number two, use common sense. He's got a lot of it.  Number three, don't allow people to abuse you and smear you and project their agenda on to you.

That was Trump's press conference. That was not Mr. Ramos's press conference. The American people want to see somebody fight back. We've been kicked around too long.

That's why Lindsey Graham is going nowhere. Lindsey Graham is a weasel, in my humble opinion. He's out there attacking Trump. He doesn't address these front groups that are pushing their agenda. He doesn't talk about Obama the way he talks about Trump.

I'm not endorsing anybody, as you well know, but the fact of the matter is I like the way this guy talks.

HANNITY: You know, it's interesting to me, and here's my prediction.  I think the so-called establishment -- I think they're going to eventually rally around one establishment candidate and hope that the conservative voters splinter off into different candidates. And ultimately, they will plot, they will plan, they will scheme to destroy the conservative in this race.

Now, we can look at Thad Cochran and that whole issue that took place in Mississippi. You had leaders of the House and Senate bragging about the 2014 elections and how they beat the Tea Party.

Who do you think wins this battle in the end?

LEVIN: Well, we better win the battle or we're going to lose the country. The Republican establishment, other than two terms of Ronald Reagan, has had its way with the Republican Party.

Look, the Republican Party -- I'm a member. It doesn't represent me.  I don't know what it represents. It doesn't know what it represents.

Look, a few years ago, we had another guy stand up who was courageous, who was fresh, Ted Cruz in the United States Senate two years ago. He said, OK, we campaigned to defund "Obama care," then let's do it. And what happened? He was slammed! He was smeared by the Republican establishment, by so-called leaders in Congress, by their surrogates in the media.

If it wasn't Trump, it would be Cruz they attack. If it wasn't Cruz, it would be Walker, it would be somebody else.

We know who they want, and the guy that they want is not the guy that's going to be the person who I think can get elected president of the United States. He doesn't even act like, Jeb, like he wants to be president.

HANNITY: So how do -- so all right...

LEVIN: He seems to go through the motions. He talks into his chest.  I don't know where the guy is going!

HANNITY: So you got Trump, you got Cruz, you got Walker, you have Ben Carson, four insurgent candidates that are doing pretty well by every objective standard if you put their numbers together.

So what is the strategy that will be employed by the big money? For example, that part of the Republican Party that doesn't want to build the wall because they want cheap labor. So what is their strategy to defeat the insurgency?

LEVIN: Well, you know what's amazing to me? Barack Obama goes on, he comes into the presidency, he talks about, you know, these jobs he's going to create and infrastructure and they blow $800 billion. We have nothing to show for it.

So now we want to build a wall on the southern border to protect America's sovereignty, to protect us from drug cartels, to protect us from terrorists, and so forth, so we can actually manage a legal immigration system. And what do they say? It's too expensive. It's too complicated.  The American people are sick of this!

As for the Republican establishment, I detest them more than I detest the Democrats. And I'm going to tell you why. If they had had their way, Ronald Reagan would have never been president. He would never have had a chance to win two massive landslides.

We have got to bust through this Republican establishment, their donors, their consultants, their media surrogates. We're going to have to bust through them to give people an opportunity to actually vote for a conservative...

HANNITY: All right...

LEVIN: ... for president of the United States. And if you're under 45 -- I've said this many times -- you've never had the chance! It's inspiring. It's invigorating. It's exciting.

HANNITY: For the first time.

LEVIN: We need to have the difference between a conservative, a principled, articulate conservative, and one of the left-wing kooks who's running in the Democrat Party!

HANNITY: Let me go back to the immigration debate. And this came up between Jorge Ramos and Trump last night, and that is the 14th Amendment.  We had you on last week. You talked about the author of the 14th Amendment.

Every year, between 350,000 and 400,00 children are born to illegal alien mothers residing in the U.S. Of that number, 71 percent of these households with children receive some sort of government welfare, compared with 39 percent of households consisting of native-born Americans.

So my question to you is, all these people that are on television say that the 14th Amendment, that you can't do anything. If you're born in America, even though your mother is not a citizen, the 14th Amendment guarantees citizenship. Your answer is?

LEVIN: Show me one participant in writing the 14th Amendment who took that position. In fact, the primary author took the opposite position, no foreigners and no aliens. That's number one. Number two, show me one delegate at any state convention ratifying the 14th Amendment that said that. They can't find one!

HANNITY: Article one, section eight.

LEVIN: Then they actually like liberals poring through Supreme Court cases -- what's that?

HANNITY: And don't forget article one, section eight. Congress -- Congress has the authority to make laws regarding immigration.

LEVIN: Well, not only that, I think now Barack Obama has shown the next conservative president the way. They can get up and say, You know what I found? Barack Obama's pen in my desk and his phone, and since the Supreme Court, Anthony Kennedy, 5 to 4, has ruled that the president has this broad discretionary power when it comes to immigration and Barack Obama exercised it and he had editorial page after editorial page and Jorge Ramos praising him -- OK, I've got a pen and I've got a phone, and now I've decided under the 14th Amendment, we're going to read it the way it reads, and we're going to say no birthright citizenship for illegal aliens!

HANNITY: All right, Mark...

LEVIN: Thank you.

HANNITY: Thank you. Congratulations. Number one, "Plunder and Deceit" on the New York Times best-seller list. Thank you, Mark.

And coming up next tonight right here on "Hannity"...


TRUMP: Remember, you used the word "illegal immigrant."


TRUMP: OK, well, you should use it because that's what the definition is.


HANNITY: Can't use the word "anchor baby" and now you can't talk about illegal immigration. Donald Trump didn't back down when talking about this during his confrontation with Jorge Ramos. Tucker Carlson, Geraldo Rivera -- they're here next with reaction.

Then later tonight...


CLINTON:  We would have to wait and see what happened if he decided to do it, but I'm going to keep running my campaign and doing what I believe is necessary.


HANNITY: Hillary Clinton scared to death about the possibility of Joe Biden entering this race! And she -- this, of course, comes after she cuts her vacation short to get back on the campaign trail.

Also, is she in more legal jeopardy? That and more as "Hannity" continues.




TRUMP: Remember, you used the word "illegal immigrant."

RAMOS: No, I didn't use the word (INAUDIBLE)

TRUMP: OK, well, you should use it because that's what the definition is.

RAMOS: No human being is illegal.

TRUMP: OK, well, when they cross the border, from a legal standpoint, they're illegal immigrant when they don't have their papers.


TRUMP: And I want to make it possible -- and I think you'll like this. This is the part you're going to like. I want these people, the good people -- I want them to come back and I want them to get documentation and get so they become legal.


TRUMP: It's going to be -- you know what it's called? Management.  See, you're not used to good management because you're always talking about government.


TRUMP: Government -- let me just tell you. Wait, wait, wait, wait.  Government is incompetent.


HANNITY: All right, checkmate, another heated moment between Jorge Ramos and Donald Trump during last night's press conference.

Joining us now with reaction, Fox News contributor, editor-in-chief of the DailyCaller Tucker Carlson and FOX news senior correspondent Geraldo Rivera.

You got to admit, his cadence, his tone, his knowledge, Trump -- I mean, I think he handled this brilliantly and came out way on top.

GERALDO RIVERA, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Well, I think he did OK in the late innings. He certainly started off rough when he sent his henchmen to throw Jorge Ramos...

HANNITY: He never asked for him to be removed from there!

RIVERA: ... senior citizen, a little, slight guy.

HANNITY: Oh, stop!

RIVERA: He sent the man out (INAUDIBLE) to throw him out of the room!

HANNITY: He never asked him to throw him out!

RIVERA: Come on, he gives him the nod. I've done it before with my guys.


RIVERA: Get the guy out of here (INAUDIBLE)

HANNITY: All right, can you say illegal immigrant? Can you say anchor baby, please, and stop this political correct garbage?

RIVERA: Can I say that -- you believe that Donald Trump was the victor in the confrontation...


RIVERA: I believe they both won because they were both playing to their own constituencies, Donald Trump playing to those who -- for whom undocumented immigration is the biggest issue, the rawest issue, the most passionate issue, Jorge Ramos playing to the audience of Univision and Fusion TV, a largely Hispanic audience. Both men looked like they were sticking up for the home team.

HANNITY: Let me give you a number -- 350,000 to 400,000 children are born annually to mothers who are illegal residing in the U.S. By the way, 71 percent of all the illegal alien households with children get some form of government welfare, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, compared with 39 percent of households with native-born Americans.

We are paying billions for criminal justice, health care, our educational system because they don't obey the law! They don't obey the law! What is so hard about asking people to obey the law?

RIVERA: Do you want to debate undocumented immigration, or do you want to debate Donald Trump's inability to deal...

HANNITY: With what?

RIVERA: ... civilly with people with whom he disagrees.

HANNITY: He was as civil as I ever...


RIVERA: He needs to be sat down and say, listen, You can make your point without being rude. You can make your point without being crude or cruel.

HANNITY: He was nice to Jorge Ramos!


RIVERA: ... ultimately, he recognized that. When he said to Jorge Ramos, Go back to Univision, what he really meant was, Go back to Mexico.

HANNITY: No, that's not what he meant! That is ridiculous.


CARLSON: If I can just clarify two things. Ramos' response was "I'm a senior citizen and I'm a reporter." He's neither one. He's not a senior citizen, he's not even 60. And he's not a reporter.

HANNITY: And he works for Univision and Donald is suing them.


CARLSON: Hold on, Univision is not like Fox. It's not like CNN.  It's not even like MSNBC.

RIVERA: I am, and I have an opinion as a journalist.

CARLSON: You clearly don't watch him. He is not a journalist. He is an activist. He is a man who reads editorials on the air. And his questions were not questions. It was a soliloquy. It was a speech. He was hectoring the guy, exactly right. So that's fine, but don't pretend he's protected by some species of the First Amendment.


HANNITY: Ed Henry is a reporter. Carl Cameron is a reporter. You're not a reporter. You're a talk show host.

RIVERA: Give me 15 second and I'll tell you an incident between me and Hillary Clinton. We're in Haiti, horrible earthquake. She knows that I'm waiting with the gaggle of press. I've been stalking her the whole day. She comes walking out on to the tarmac. She knows exactly where I am. I'm by far the most high profile reporter there. That's a statement of fact.

HANNITY: Everybody knows you.

RIVERA: In that context. She came out and she turned her back to me and she started addressing the other reporters. And I could have been polite and I could have let the other reporters get the questions in, and then she would have said the time is up, or I could have interrupted and said, pardon me, Secretary Clinton, what about the fact that this is a corrupt government and you're giving money to a corrupt government?

HANNITY: That's not what Jorge Ramos did.


CARLSON: You're making the point. He's an advocate.


CARLSON: You just made the point yourself. Hold on. What you asked Hillary Clinton was a question followed by a question mark to which you expected an answer. That's not what Jorge Ramos just did. He got up and started venting his spleen. I'm not defending Trump. I'm merely saying he wasn't practicing any recognizable form of journalism. He was like a protester getting in Trump's face. That's not journalism. The news coverage of this, he was rude. He attacked Jorge Ramos.

HANNITY: He tried to monopolize their time.


HANNITY: Cut in front of the line. Illegal immigrants want to cut in front line.


HANNITY: No, but the point is if I'm a reporter in that room, why does he get to monopolize all the time when I have a question?

RIVERA: Because Trump has been refusing --


HANNITY: Hillary doesn't answer anybody's question.

RIVERA: -- of the 40 million Latinos that Republicans desperately need to win the White House.

CARLSON: Geraldo, you're pretending that Ramos is the mouthpiece for everyone with a Hispanic sounding last name.


RIVERA: The issues he raised yesterday are crucial issues, Tucker.


CARLSON: Hold on, he's not a stand-in -- hold on, let me finish.  He's note a stand-in for every Hispanic American. And to pretend that he's somehow a spokesman for an entire racial category is absurd.

RIVERA: Mitt Romney, 27 percent, George Bush, 44 percent of the Latino vote. George Bush wins, Mitt Romney loses ignominiously.

CARLSON: It might be nice to argue the policy before the politics.  Isn't it worth talking about what's the right thing to do before what is the politically expedient thing to do? Those numbers are irrelevant.

HANNITY: Americans are paying billions because of illegal immigration, billions. What about the dreamer Americans as Mark Levin brought up? What about them that they have to pay billions and billions and billion of dollars?

RIVERA: Aren't these people American? Aren't Latinos --

HANNITY: No, illegal immigrants are not Americans.

RIVERA: How about their children born here?

HANNITY: Some are, because the 14th amendment I would argue, does not allow them to become immigrants. And anchor babies --

RIVERA: The Congressional Budget Office says they are a net positive to the U.S. Treasury.

HANNITY: Excuse me, the U.S. center for study says 71 percent of illegal households with children --

RIVERA: They pay Social Security --

HANNITY: -- are on government welfare.

RIVERA: They pay Social Security to numbers that are fake that they have no chance of ever redeeming.

HANNITY: Some do, some don't. Some have absolutely paid nothing.

RIVERA: Why not have a compassionate, practical approach? Donald Trump could get the Latinos, he so charming. You go to his building, he has Latinos working from the ground floor to the top floor. I know the man. He's not a racist.

HANNITY: You like him.

RIVERA: I like him.

HANNITY: Are you going to vote for him?

RIVERA: I could.

HANNITY: Thanks, Tucker.

And Hillary cuts her vacation short, scared to death, gets back on the campaign trail. Crazy uncle Joe looks like he's getting in.

Then later tonight --

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PEGGY HUBBARD: This comes out of our black neighborhoods. This is the mentality of our young black people. You know, this mindset is just gone.


   HANNITY: Peggy Hubbard on last night. She's not the only person calling out the Black Lives Matter movement. Senator Rand Paul is now under attack for condemning the tactics of the group. He'll join us later straight ahead.         


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So Hillary Clinton, she left the beach and cut her vacation short to get back on the campaign trail.  Clinton held an event in Iowa earlier today. She was asked some tough questions about her e-mail fiasco. And Vice President Joe Biden, crazy uncle Joe and his presidential bid. Take a look.


HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: We would have to wait and see what happened if he decided to do it, but I'm going to keep running my campaign and doing what I believe is necessary.

   Here's what I want the American people to know. My use of personal e-mail was allowed by the State Department. It clearly wasn't the best choice.         I'm confident that this process will prove that I never sent nor received any e-mail that was marked classified.


   HANNITY: "Received," "marked," notice the change in language?  Typical Clinton parsing. Here with analysis, Republican strategist Mercedes Schlapp and Fox News contributor Joe Trippi. She can act like she doesn't care all she wants, Joe Trippi, but you and I both know that when crazy uncle Joe ends his vacation early, makes a big deal of leaking this meeting with Elizabeth Warren, and then Josh Earnest goes out, the best political decision that he ever made was Joe Biden, which shows he has confidence in him to do the top job, you know that the stars are not aligning for Hillary. True or false?

JOE TRIPPI, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: It's just not a good time to be on vacation. She got back out on the campaign trail. And --

HANNITY: Joe Biden could have called Elizabeth Warren, hi, Elizabeth.  It's Joe. How are you? They made a big deal leaking it. Why?

TRIPPI: I don't know that, because I'm not sure -- I'm one that believes Joe Biden hasn't made his decision yet.


TRIPPI: I do lean now towards a lot seems like that meeting with Elizabeth Warren makes me think he's leaning towards doing it.

HANNITY: I know this is a hard position trying to defend this woman, but she did break the law. It will be proven. She has an FBI investigation. And Mercedes, it seems like Obama, speaking through Josh Earnest, is saying run, Joe, run.

MERCEDES SCHLAPP, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Yes. It was incredibly surprising to see that Obama is facing this, saying, giving his blessing to Biden. But I think that it shows that really there's this uncertainty with Hillary Clinton. It's the fact that we have this FBI investigation going on right now. The fact is she's not really able to give very clear, direct answers. She comes across being like the oblivious ex-secretary of state.  I never used an e-mail that was classified or sent an email that was classified. Using that word "never" is very dangerous and it could come to haunt her. In fact this whole e-mail scandal is going to come to haunt her because this is going to be a drip, drip, drip in terms of these e-mails.

HANNITY: Joe, hang on. She said that she deleted 33,000 e-mails because they dealt with yoga, her mother's death, her daughter's wedding, and personal communications with Bill. Here's the problem. Bill Clinton doesn't use e-mail. Did she lie to us?

TRIPPI: No. I think --


TRIPPI: No, she had no personal e-mails in any those e-mails.

HANNITY: No, she said personal communication with my husband that doesn't use e-mail. That's a lie, Joe. Just say it. That was a lie.

TRIPPI: I don't know who e-mailed to who. You are the one who knows everything. No, you know it all, Sean. You know that she lied. OK, I got that.

HANNITY: I want to hear you say it. Say it. Say she lied.

TRIPPI: Because I don't believe she lied.

HANNITY: So she said she e-mailed with her husband who doesn't e- mail. That's a lie.


HANNITY: Mercedes, go.

TRIPPI: Look, the reality is we wouldn't be here if she hadn't of done this.

SCHLAPP: Right. She made a bad decision.

TRIPPI: No, no, no.

SCHLAPP: She made a bad decision, Joe. And guess what, the fact is that the American people aren't buying it. When you look at the swing states, they're basically saying she's not honest. They can't connect with this woman. And that's why Uncle Joe is saying I could jump into this race.

TRIPPI: She's beats 14 of 15 --

   HANNITY: We're going to leave it there. Joe, she lied.      

And up next on "Hannity" --


   HUBBARD: This comes out of our black neighborhoods. This is the mentality of our young black people. You know, this mindset is just gone.


   HANNITY: All right, the woman who called out the Black Lives Matter movement joined us on the program last night to explain why she did it. Up next, Senator Rand Paul is here with reaction as now activist groups from that group are now attacking him in questioning their tactics, straight ahead.          (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So last night on this program we had Peggy Hubbard. She's the woman whose epic video rant against Black Lives Matter and that movement went viral on the Internet. Now, Peggy spoke about criticism that she received since posting her video about violence in the black community.


HUBBARD: I've been called Uncle Tom Aunt Jemima.

HANNITY: Good grief.

HUBBARD: The white man's bed wench.

It's a human issue. It's an accountability issue. It's a responsibility issue. That's what it is. That made this about race. This was never about race. This was about right and wrong. This comes out of our black neighborhoods. This is the mentality of our young black people.  This mindset is just gone.


HANNITY: An amazing, courageous woman trying to save lives. Joining me now is Kentucky Senator, presidential candidate, Rand Paul.  He is taking heat from Black Lives Matters and their activists for disagreeing with some of their tactics. Senator, good to see you.

SEN. RAND PAUL, R-KY. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Good to see you, Sean. Thanks for having me.  

HANNITY: It's funny, because they're accusing you of talking down to the Black Lives Matter movement, but you're the one guy, I would argue, more than any other candidate in the race for resident that has gone into the black community, historically black colleges, in reaching out and saying, hey, our policies are good for the black family as well as every American family.

PAUL: You know, I think they should change their name, maybe. If they were all lives matter, or innocent lives matter. I am about justice.  And, frankly, I think a lot of poor people in our country and many African- Americans are trapped in this war on drugs and I want to change it.

But commandeering the microphone and bullying people and pushing people out of the way I think really isn't the way to get their message across. I've appeared with many members of the Congressional Black Caucus to talk about criminal justice. I've been to Howard University. I've discussed it in Chicago and other cities, and so I'm more than willing to discuss it. But having people take the microphone, they need to go somewhere else and they need to rent their own microphone.

HANNITY: Black family median income has gone down significantly under Obama. If you look at the number of people who are on welfare and suffering economically, the unemployment rate, blacks are disproportionately in higher numbers suffering from this bad economy. And still, if you look at the support from the Democratic Party in every election, they seem to just go Democrat. Why is that?

PAUL: This is the debate you want to have about how to alleviate poverty and unemployment. I don't think government programs have worked.  We've had a war on poverty for 50 years and we've gotten more of it. In Baltimore, young black men between the ages of 20-25, 37 percent unemployment. So it is out of control.

But do you what I'm finding when I'm on the Southside of Chicago or I'm in Detroit, people are saying, you know what, I'm not sure I'm ready to be a Republican yet, but you know what, the Democrats have taken me for granted, and I'm willing to listen to people who are interested in making my life better. And I think this is a great opportunity for Republicans who do care about people living in poverty to actually take our message of freedom, limited government, and leaving more money in the community. My tax plan would leave $3 billion on the Southside of Chicago of their own money. We would just never take it. I think that is the way to improve our cities and help people.

HANNITY: In the last debate, you were pretty outspoken in taking on Donald Trump. What do you think of this Trump tsunami that has taken over this presidential race so far?

PAUL: I want to stand up for small people, like Vera Coking, who Donald Trump wanted to take her house through eminent domain. Someone has got to stand up for the people to somebody who I think basically has an authoritarian sort of concept of government. He believes that eminent domain should be used to take the property from a small property owner like Vera and give it to his casinos so they can build a parking lot.

   This is what most conservatives in America, if you told them Harry Reid was for this, they would be all against Harry Reid. But if you tell them Donald Trump is for it, they're not listening. So Americans need to wake up and listen. Donald Trump is not a conservative. He's a fake conservative, and eventually I think people are going to wake up and hear that.

HANNITY: Tell you what, maybe I should invite you and Trump on. I think it would be a fascinating debate. Are you on? Would you do it?

PAUL: Absolutely.

HANNITY: All right. You actually took a week off from campaigning.  You went to Haiti to do some eye surgeries. We have some video of it. How did that go?

PAUL: It's one of the most rewarding things I do is getting to give back something. I trained for 15 some odd years to be an eye surgeon. And we did about 200 cases. The University of Utah, the John Moran Eye Institute, they've done 80 missions around the world, and I've been part of the mission last year in Guatemala and this year in Haiti. So it's something that's incredibly rewarding to the smiles on the faces of people when they get their vision back.

HANNITY: Senator, good to see you. Thanks for being with us.

PAUL: Thank you, Sean.

HANNITY: And coming up, we need your help. Our question of the day is straight ahead.  


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Time for our "Question of the Day." So who do you think won last night's exchange, Jorge Ramos or Donald Trump? I think it was a knockout, Donald Trump. But do not let me influence your decision. Just go to Facebook.com/SeanHannity, @SeanHannity, we want to know what you think.

But that's all the time we have left this evening. And don't forget, set your DVR 10:00 eastern so you never miss an episode because when you're absent, we take attendance and it really upsets us. It hurts our feelings.  Anyway, we'll see you back here tomorrow night. Thanks for being with us.

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