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Gun control debate gets heated on 'The Five'

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 26, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle and this is a Fox News alert. It's been a very upsetting day. This morning, a report and a cameraman from a CBS News affiliate in Roanoke, Virginia were murdered during a live newscast. Another victim is recovering from the gunshot wound. Allison Parker and Adam Ward of WDBJ-TV were shot and killed by a former anchor at their station that was fired two years ago. His name was Vester Lee Flanagan, but he went by the name Bryce Williams. The general manager of the news station told viewers more about what led to his firing earlier.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JEFFREY MARKS, WDBJ GENERAL MANAGER: Vester was an unhappy man. He -- we employed him as a reporter and he had some talent in that respect and some experience, although he had been out of the business for awhile when he was hired here. He quickly became -- gathered a reputation as someone who was difficult to work with. Would you say, Joe (inaudible), he was sort of looking out for people to say things that he could take offense to. He -- and eventually, after many incidents of his anger coming to the fore, we dismissed him. And he did not take that well. We had to call the police to escort him from the building.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: Flanagan recorded himself carrying out the killings and posted the video on social media. He then shot himself after police closed in on him. The sheriff of Franklin County was among many horrified viewers, watching this morning when the tragedy unfolded on live television.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHERIFF BILL OVERTON, FRANKLIN COUNTY SHERIFF: It is really -- stopped me in my tracks this morning. Like many viewers, I was watching this morning's broadcast and couldn't understand really what was happening myself at that time.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What emotion (inaudible)?

OVERTON: Very emotional.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: For more on the investigation and the victim who survived this horrific attack, we are joined by Fox News Peter Doocy at the scene in Moneta, Virginia. Peter, thanks for being with us. So what can you tell us the latest? This is a rapidly unfolding story throughout the day and just so much heartache and loss in one moment.

PETER DOOCY, FOX NEWS: And Kimberly, you get a sense of how recently this happened in what on a different day would be a beautiful vacation town. If you look over my shoulder here at Bridgewater Plaza where an interview about tourism turned into a murder scene live on a morning show, you can see a WDBJ-7 live truck. And that is sitting now just steps away from the spot where this reporter turned murder, stalked two of his former colleagues and shot them dead in cold blood while they were doing a live shot about something -- they were talking to somebody from the Chamber of Commerce. It's a story of great interest to people in the town. It is a story that turned into a great tragedy. And what's really frightening about this is a reporter would know how a live shot works. And a reporter, like this murderer, would know that if you walk up behind a photographer while a reporter is doing a live interview turn like this, they're not going to see you. It's great cover and you see that reflected in the video that he shot with either a phone or a go pro as he sneaks up for several seconds, completely undetected before he starts shooting. So that all happened here and it is really difficult not only to watch the videos, but also to come here and to see that it is still a very active investigation. The car that this news crew, beloved by all in this community, took to what would be their last live report still sits in the parking lot. Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: Such a tragedy. Jesse.

JESSE WATTERS, GUEST CO-HOST: Hey Peter, Jesse Watters. Quick question for you, the firearm that was used here looked like a handgun on the video. What do we know about that? And this guy has any sort of criminal history? I can't find anything, anywhere about any history for him that would preclude him from buying the firearm. And then lastly, the final moments, he shoots himself in the head when police closed in? What happened at the last second there?

DOOCY: To start at the end, we know that the final last moments on earth for this shooter were at Inova Fairfax Hospital, which is just under a four-hour drive from here. He was driving north on I-66, when the Virginia State Police used a license plate reader, you know that sits on the side of a state police trooper car. It picked up his license plate, set off an alarm. They pursued him. He would not stop. There was some kind of an accident. We don't know whether he ran off the road before or after he shot himself. We also don't know where he shot himself, but it is being described as a self-inflicted wound. As for the gun, they still haven't said if it was even his weapon, so it's probably too early to speculate about whether or not he could have had it. And in terms of his background, you haven't heard anybody say anything particularly nice about him. It sounds like he was quite a handful at just about every single stop that he was at, including the stop where he met Allison and Adam, but we don't know too much yet about any criminal history that would have precluded him from buying a gun, if it was in fact his begun.

GUILFOYLE: Greg?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Peter, was there any sign that he was planning on doing more damage? He was trying to get away? Was he heading somewhere in particular? We had security all over the place in New York. Was he going somewhere?

DOOCY: And we brought security down here because we were not sure exactly who was out there or if this guy was still out there. No indication on what he might have been planning, but it looked like he was just trying to get as much publicity as possible because it was from social media accounts that were linked to his on-air name, Bryce Williams, the name that he used basically, his fake name that he used when he was a reporter before he got fired. And he just wanted the whole world, not only to know what his beef was with Allison and Adam, he was accusing them of discrimination. He was accusing them of racism. He also wanted the whole world to see his point of view video of their execution, of them dying and not even seeing it coming. And so, we don't know what he was doing, but it is remarkable that basically, the entire National Press Club from Washington, D.C. was heading down this way. It's about a four-hour drive and the hospital where he died is about four hours in the other direction. So he probably passed by many news crews who were coming down to cover the horrible act that he committed this morning on his way up before his final encounter with the police.

GUILFOYLE: Terrible. Dana?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I was wondering about his psychiatric background. So Jesse asked you about the criminal background, if there was any and I'm wondering if there was any sort of psychological problems, background type of thing. And also, was he working in between being fired from the station at which he committed the murder, and today?

DOOCY: It sounds like he was not working in television anymore. And he might have still been somehow in the area, but we are still trying to figure that out. And in terms of getting in his head, he just, according to the people that worked with him and the people who had to call the cops when they wanted to fire him, so that he didn't go completely crazy and hurt anybody at the station two years ago, he just had anger problems. He just had something inside. He was really angry. Everything that we have been able to gather also is that, he would just look for the tiniest little thing that somebody would say, take it the wrong way, and then file a complaint or sue them or then he would have a serious problem. Now obviously, there could be deeper problems, but nothing specific that are out there yet, Dana.

GUILFOYLE: OK. All right, Juan, you have a question?

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: So Peter, I saw that he tried to say oh, this is the start of a race war and cited Charleston, the shooting down in Charleston. And he also made reference to the murders at Virginia Tech, several years ago. He said the shooter there was, my boy, you know like someone he admired. And he spoke about that shooter as having killed more people that were killed at Columbine by Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris. So I'm wondering, is there any evidence after he purchased the gun that he suddenly was studying other mass murders or killers?

DOOCY: Nothing -- I haven't had a chance to review the entire, I believe it's 23 page fax that he sent, but what is striking about the Virginia Tech comparison is in this part of Virginia, that particular crime shook everybody. Just about everybody knows somebody who went to VT in Blacksburg, it is not that far from here and so that is a very unsettling comparison. Again, still no word on where he might have been going. His social media posts kind of cut off after the police caught up with him. And he ended up shooting himself and dying in the hospital. But no word on whom he might have been modeling himself after just yet. But who knows what else is out there.

WILLIAMS: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: Unbelievable. All right.

DOOCY: Online.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Peter, thank you for that update, we'll take it around the table now. You also kind of wondered, you know, he was just sitting there brewing, like steaming about the fact that he was let go. Perhaps, no other future employment opportunities, out of work for the past two years, but how do you find or even identify somebody like that, Dana. The two years separate from the incident could still act out like this, very difficult.

PERINO: Well, I guess we will -- how do you continue to monitor somebody after two years?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

PERINO: Like if you're saying like you have a hostile employee and they have to be escorted out of building, you might want just to keep security a little tight for 30 days, whatever. There was apparently no indication that there was a direct threat from him against her or against the cameraman that he also killed. In addition, he sounds to me -- it sounds to me like this is somebody who has psychological problems. And yet again, here we are, we can do a story like this a week of the psychiatric problems. I know there's the gun issue. And immediately that's where some people want to go and do -- have more gun laws, but we still then skirt the issue about mental health in the country.

GUILFOYLE: Well, we had Hillary Clinton and Josh Earnest making a comment. You want to make a comment and then we'll listen to what they have to say.

GUTFELD: Yeah. I think we have -- we already kind of.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: It is another example of gun violence that is becoming all too common in communities large and small, all across the United States. There are some common sense things that only Congress can do that we know would have a tangible impact in reducing gun violence in this country.

HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: I will extend my condolences and sympathies to their families and to their co-workers. I will also reiterate we have got to do something about gun violence in America.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: OK, Greg was asking to make a comment on that.

GUTFELD: Well, to me that's silly. It's basically after seeing a fire going, you know don't play with matches. That's the mentality here. We actually have a fairly -- we have a body of science that suggests a real solution. Spree killers, as Juan had mentioned, always refer to earlier spree killings. They are obsessed with it. They are enamored by those that succeed at this. Whether it's VA Tech or Columbine or the guy in Norway, they talked about it, they loved it. Who cares about his past job experience about his intent? This is about infamy, and the only way you could stop this stuff, our only defense as a media organization is to refuse the infamy that they desire. Losers emulate losers. When they see losers gain fame, you deny them the fame. Especially, the in the world where now -- you can marry evil to technology, that's accessible to all of us. Which means for example, today, when you turned on Twitter you had video auto play which actually just comes up and you see this, even when you don't want to see it.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

GUTFELD: We have to stop this. Don't talk about these losers. Let them be forgotten like the tools that they are because we just make losers emulate losers. They do this with other crimes. They don't cover teen suicides because they don't want to have copycat teen suicides. We have to do that with this.

WILLIAMS: The question is it news, but the thing is, I thought today was remarkable, Kimberly because of the way America experienced it.

GUTFELD: Right.

WILLIAMS: Which is Jesse and I were talking. And you know it's on the internet, right? It's on his Facebook page. As Greg was saying, it comes up as a live feed on your Twitter account, right?

GUTFELD: Auto play now, it comes up whether you like it or not it will roll.

WILLIAMS: Yes, so it's like, you know this is -- and then of course, don't forget, with a live shot of going on a live broadcast when the woman was shot, when the cameraman is shot. So this guy played to our world as it is in terms of advancing his crazy ego.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: I mean, I don't think there's any question about it. He wants to be known. He wants to be in with the -- saying hold to the guy who did the killing.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, it's infamous.

WILLIAMS: At Virginia Tech.

(CROSSTALK)

WATTERS: When I saw the video today, I felt like I was watching a snuff film. It was absolutely disgusting. It was probably the first social media murder we've ever seen in this country. And it was very racially charged. It was you know it was a black journalist who shot two white journalists in cold blood and filmed it. So disgusting, you know I know tomorrow we can talk about motives and blaming it on a YouTube video or blaming on a flag. I think today, we realize all lives matter most importantly. And lastly, on the gun thing, gun sales in Virginia over the last ten years, way up, gun crime in Virginia, way down. So there's a correlation there. So when Hillary is saying we need gun control, I'm not sure what gun laws she's talking about.

WILLIAMS: I can tell you.

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: How about opposing -- closing loopholes that let people like this guy who's mentally nuts.

GUILFOYLE: OK, but where is the.

WILLIAMS: Go and buy a gun.

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: What?

WATTERS: We don't even know the facts, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Oh no.

WATTERS: Just to say this guy shouldn't have bought a gun we don't even know that.

WILLIAMS: We should close loopholes. You guys want.

GUILFOYLE: I know, but you want.

WILLIAMS: Obsess on mental health issue.

GUILFOYLE: But you want.

WILLIAMS: We have guns everywhere.

GUILFOYLE: No. Juan, you want to make up a fact pattern that doesn't exist.

WILLIAMS: What fact that?

GUILFOYLE: You have to have the evidence and the facts to support it to say that he has a history of mental illness, not just somebody who was a jerk at the network. You can't strip people of constitutional rights in the aftermath because you don't like the outcome.

WILLIAMS: I'm not trying to strip anybody's rights.

GUILFOYLE: But that's what you're talking about.

WILLIAMS: I say we should stop.

GUILFOYLE: There's nothing to support that.

WILLIAMS: We should close loopholes so that we know who's buying --

GUILFOYLE: Well.

WILLIAMS: If you were to buy a gun.

GUILFOYLE: And we should like mental health counseling available for people like this.

WILLIAMS: It's not just about mental health.

GUILFOYLE: Just feel that they're disenfranchised to have a job, economically.

WILLIAMS: it's about the proliferation of guns in the society.

GUILFOYLE: Well, there's a lot to talk about on this show as usual. The good news is, Greta Van Susteren will be down in Virginia tonight, with special coverage for On the Record. Please tune in at 7:00 p.m. eastern.

We are keeping the loved ones of Allison Parker and Adam Ward in our thoughts and in our prayers tonight. And also, Vicki Gardner recovering from surgery, there's much more to come ahead. The Five returns in a moment.

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GUTFELD: So another day, another video from the Center for Medical Progress exposing the selling of intact dead babies.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What would keep your lab happy? What would make your lap happy?

(LAUGHTER)

CATE DYER, CEO, STEMEXPRESS, LLC: Another 50 livers a week.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What would keep your lab happy?

DYER: Another 50 livers a week.

(LAUGHTER)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right. So you can handle that?

DYER: Yeah.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

DYER: Yeah. I mean, it's you know, volume for us --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Volume for us.

So should the center win a Pulitzer for this work? After all, Ralph Nader was lionized for exposing the dangers of certain cars. Rachel Carson was sainted for demonizing DDT -- which actually saved lives. Documentaries on dolphin cruelty win worldwide acclaim. President Barack Obama snagged a Nobel Prize for winning an election. Al Gore won one, too, and an Oscar for fomenting the apocalypse. "60 minutes" won Emmys for its ambush journalism and movies get made about the first rap renegades. But really, in terms of guts, NWA holds no candle to the CMP. They did what the mainstream media would never do, piercing an iconic organization that media hacks spent careers covering for. The CMP dedicated years to this project, exposing a service that most people never knew existed because most journalists chose to ignore it. That's real reporting. Yet after exposing the unspeakable, no accolades. If only Republicans were sending the dead babies by mail instead, it would matter. Instead, you have Funny or Die defending or those who butcher for the greater good.

Now whether you like Planned Parenthood or not, you cannot deny that these videos are true bombshells, the kind that would stir the envy of today's Woodward and Bernstein's, if they actually exist. Perhaps, their absence is just one of many in this pro-choice world.

So this is not again, this is not a newspaper or a blog. It's a group. But this is -- is it when you can't call this.

PERINO: Of course.

GUTFELD: Investigative journalism, that's freelance in a way.

PERINO: It's citizen journalism.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: I saw in bloggers first came on the scene and people would make fun of those guys in the basement in their pajamas.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: And they actually start of breaking all of the news.

GUTFELD: Right.

PERINO: And I remember when a New York Times reporter called me to follow up on a rumor that started with one of these bloggers and I said, "How -- aren't you embarrassed that you're following this story?" And he said, "The last time I didn't." It was a blogger and it was Rob Louie who now works at the Heritage Foundation who actually revealed that Dan Rather's documents about George Bush's National Guards service were forged. It was actually -- that was news and it wasn't done by anybody who was sanctioned by the press as being like a card-carrying member of the press corps. The other thing is technology has improved the ability for citizen journalists, not only in this country, but all over the world. And it is celebrated when you can get technology like a phone into the hands of somebody in South Sudan.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: Can do reporting for us that we can't do ourselves.

GUTFELD: That's true. I mean, somebody could tape us.

WATTERS: And they should.

GUTFELD: And they should. No, they shouldn't.

WATTERS: It would be a blockbuster.

GUTFELD: It really would. But we don't do this, you know. But I want to go to you K.G.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

GUTFELD: Because your head was about to explode.

GUILFOYLE: Well, right because when I listen to her language in talking about, "Oh, I'd like to have 50 more livers a day." I just want to say, you know, you're the Hannibal Lector of family planning. That's what you are. You are a butcher. You are a murder. You have no heart. And hell will be waiting for you. That's how I feel. It is so disgusting. I don't know how this isn't the lead on the news and the cover front page of the paper every day until this is stopped and this butchering is shut down. It is disgusting. They are using science to be able to make an excuse and justify the murders that they are committing. To me, it's reprehensible. And not to get into all the details of the video, people that care to learn about it can click on it and watch it, so you understand where we're coming from because we have, so we know what's going on. It's very disturbing.

GUTFELD: Juan, you've been around. That's a compliment. Do you remember -- Geraldo, got famous, it was willow brook. Do you remember the mental institution? He went there it was a state-run institution for mentally disabled and the horrors behind it, and that changed everything. That's old school journalism. It's investigative journalism. It seems like this would fit that perfectly.

WILLIAMS: Yeah. I mean, well no, I don't think it fits perfectly, but it's the same model.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: And I'll acknowledge that. But I mean, these guys are having trouble even today, because apparently they used a picture of a still birth and made it seem as if it's what was being talked about. So people are questioning whether or not they have a strong political agenda and questioning their ethics in terms of journalism. So I mean that's why they would come into trouble. But I think this is really an argument about abortion and if you support or oppose abortion, and are being done under the guise of this kind of.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: That's an excuse.

GUTFELD: But I'm an easy contradict. I can contradict that. I'm not doing anything about abortion. I realize it's here to stay. This is barbaric and wrong and has to be stopped.

WATTERS: Yes.

WILLIAMS: Is it barbaric if they crack open my chest to do heart surgery on me?

GUILFOYLE: That's life-saving. Juan, that's not.

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. I'm just saying you stop and talk about what doctors do. I mean, you know.

GUTFELD: But this is -- I mean, basically you're building health benefits on the dead.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

GUTFELD: People who didn't even have a chance to be alive.

WATTERS: Juan, it's infanticide and that's their business model.

WILLIAMS: It is not.

WATTERS: Yes, it is. What they are doing is.

WILLIAMS: No, it's not.

WATTERS: They're delivering the baby through partial birth abortion on purpose.

WILLIAMS: Let me just say.

WATTERS: Just so they can pluck out the body parts like Mr. Potato Head.

WILLIAMS: This is not.

WATTERS: That's what they're doing, Juan.

WILLIAMS: This is somehow.

WATTERS: Have you seen the videos?

WILLIAMS: This is pleasing to you. But let me just tell you Jesse.

WATTERS: Why is it pleasing to you?

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: Because it's a political agenda here.

WATTERS: Juan, of the political agenda is to protect babies. That's the.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, not to.

WATTERS: To protect babies. And the question is.

WILLIAMS: A minute ago you said this wasn't about abortion, Kimberly. It is about.

GUILFOYLE: can I just tell.

WILLIAMS: All Jesse is doing is about abortion argument.

GUILFOYLE: Can I just say it to you that they shouldn't be butchering babies.

GUTFELD: Juan, you're having the political argument.

WILLIAMS: I'm not having.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, you are.

GUTFELD: You're defending Planned Parenthood as a political angle.

WILLIAMS: No. I'm just saying Planned Parenthood.

GUTFELD: Yes, you are.

GUILFOYLE: We're not talking about.

WILLIAMS: If I wanted to defend Planned Parenthood, I would tell you that in fact, they don't do many abortions. Most of what they do is prevent abortions through contraception, which I think is OK.

WATTERS: I'm sure that's all they do, Juan.

WILLIAMS: No.

WATTERS: But they're making a ton of money off dead baby body parts.

WILLIAMS: Oh, it's not. Listen, again.

WATTERS: Yes, they are.

WILLIAMS: Journalism breaks down because you have your own agenda.

PERINO: Let's just be honest, if the story has.

WATTERS: What's the agenda? Saving babies?

WILLIAMS: No, abortion. You are opposed to abortion.

WATTERS: No, I'm not.

GUILFOYLE: But it is not what is about, (inaudible).

WATTERS: Juan, ISIS chops off baby's heads and you're upset about that.

WILLIAMS: Yeah.

WATTERS: But you're OK with Planned Parenthood doing it.

WILLIAMS: They're not chopping off any baby heads.

WATTERS: Did you see the last video?

WILLIAMS: You know what you're talking about.

WATTERS: They are talking about intact specimen.

WILLIAMS: You know you're talking about.

WATTERS: you know what an intact specimen is?

WILLIAMS: Stopping fetal research in this country.

PERINO: No, it's not.

GUILFOYLE: That is not true.

GUTFELD: We got to take a break. We got to move on.

WATTERS: That's legal.

GUTFELD: We got to move on.

WATTERS: This isn't.

GUTFELD: This will -- this story will not go away, obviously. Thank God.

All right, you -- I mean the investigation will not end. New e-mail excuses from Hillary Clinton today, plus her thoughts on Joe Biden considering a run against her, next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: Today Hillary Clinton once again addressed the scandal she can't make go away.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: My use of personal e-mail was allowed by the State Department. It clearly wasn't the best choice. I should have used two e-mails, one personal, one for work. And I take responsibility for that decision.

I'm confident that this process will prove that I never sent nor received any e-mail that was marked classified.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: But there were classified e-mails, and there are concerns some messages may have put lives in jeopardy, including Ambassador Chris Stevens, who was killed in the 2012 attack in Benghazi.

Politico reports two messages found on Clinton's server were updates from Stevens himself. One mentioned contingency plans to evacuate American diplomats by sea. The other detailed safety precautions his team was taking at their hotel.

FOX News also identified two Benghazi-related e-mails that prompted the FBI's investigation.

So Kimberly, her window for nailing this answer down is closing pretty rapidly.

GUILFOYLE: It sure is. I think this spells big trouble for her. She can only kind of rely on sort of the Clinton Teflon ability to be able to deflect this.

But I think this is significant. Because it also tells us some very important information about Benghazi. You know, you have these situations where people say, "If only we had known. If only we had had an idea that things were so dire and so serious over there." But it shows the amount of information that she has on that, one.

Two, it shows that she's sort of been, you know, changing her story along the way in terms of what she knew, what she had access to. I'm guaranteeing you there's no shot that Hillary or Huma or Cheryl, that they all get off scot-free on this. Somebody's going to have to take a fall on it, because it's very obvious that they're complicit here and there's a problem.

PERINO: Remember when the Benghazi fallout was initially happening, and one of the things that the State Department did to protect Hillary Clinton is to say, "Oh, how could any secretary of state keep up with all the cables?" She's actually getting the e-mails directly to her private server and her e-mail.

GUTFELD: Right, yes. This is -- Benghazi is the toilet paper stuck to her shoe that she's never going to get rid of. And rightly, it should never get rid of her, because it reflects her incompetence and her arrogance. Look...

GUILFOYLE: Double ply.

GUTFELD: Benghazi is a microcosm for our greater security. Because she made two great mistakes. She misidentified the threat, either politically or intellectually, blaming it on a video, which says a lot about her ideology, about her brazen political nature.

And she treats urgent classified information like a co-ed would on Snapchat.

We live in an age where most violence these days is performed by non-state actors. People that can do basically anything they want to. You need to have somebody in the White House that takes national security seriously. She sacrificed national security for her own personal privacy. That's wrong. Maybe she shouldn't go to jail. Maybe she shouldn't be in the big house, but she shouldn't be in the White House. But she should worry about the big house.

WATTERS: Good thing she...

GUILFOYLE: And forget about the White House.

WATTERS: ... made $20 million last year. She's had to pay her lawyer a lot of money, it looks like.

Think about this. Her ambassador is in Libya on the anniversary of 9/11. And she has on her unsecured server evacuation plans. She has hotel logistics. She has the tactics that the militants use.

Now, Mike Morrell, the former CIA director, says he assumes that the server was hacked. So let's assume our enemies know this information. Did Hillary put our ambassador at risk? That's what this is all about. And that is what Trey Gowdy is sniffing into.

GUILFOYLE: With good reason.

WATTERS: So I think right now we're right up to the edge of what's really going to happen.

WILLIAMS: We're right up to the edge of your crazy conspiracy.

WATTERS: What's so crazy about that? I'm not the CIA director.

PERINO: Not Politico that reported it.

WILLIAMS: No, you can report. I mean, listen -- look. It wasn't marked - - her point was it was never marked that Stevens sends along, "Hey, this is our..."

WATTERS: It was marked, because every intel agency that sends an e-mail is automatically marked classified. Obama actually signed that.

WILLIAMS: You can scream all you like. But the facts are the facts.

WATTERS: Listen, sometimes the truth is loud, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Well, you must be the truth, then. That's what you are.

PERINO: Do we have time for the next one?

WILLIAMS: Let me just say, this -- this is again you guys going way over. And again, this was supposed to be about Benghazi. There's nothing there that indicates somehow that she is to blame for Benghazi or that somebody was negligent in protecting our assets or our ambassador.

WATTERS: She was negligent. She was negligent. She denied him protection.

WILLIAMS: How many hearings have we had?

WATTERS: She denied him protection.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: How many hearings have they requested information that she didn't comply with or provide the information? That's the thing. You say there's nothing there. Really?

WILLIAMS: Really.

GUILFOYLE: They had security issues. She knew about it. They died. She denied it.

WILLIAMS: She testified and case closed. She testified and case closed. Nothing was found.

GUTFELD: Juan, you're carrying more water than an Alhambra truck.

WATTERS: I don't even know what that means.

GUTFELD: Alhambra, bottled water.

WATTERS: OK.

GUTFELD: Maybe that's West Coast.

PERINO: Do we have time for this or what? I'm going to go for it, because they're not telling me. So she -- you heard that Joe Biden might be deciding to run. She actually responded to this with this incredible response. Take a look.

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CLINTON: I have a great deal of admiration and affection for him. And I think he has to make what is a very difficult decision for himself and his family. And he should have the space and the opportunity to decide what he wants to do. I'm going to be running for president regardless. I always thought this would be a competitive campaign. I don't -- don't think anybody should have thought otherwise.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: All right, Greg, quick. Do you think that she always thought it would be a very competitive campaign?

GUTFELD: No. She thought it was a coronation. The great thing is, is her husband, Bill, is upset that Hillary is getting poorly treated by a man that she trusted. That's like Bill Cosby being upset that Charlie Sheen treats women badly.

WATTERS: Well, he wants to be the first man. I mean, come on, Biden is getting in the way.

GUTFELD: Yes. That's true.

PERINO: We'll be talking about that more, I'm sure, in the days ahead.

Coming up, though, the Univision -- Univision, excuse me, anchor...

WATTERS: Very good.

PERINO: ... thrown out of Trump's press conference last night by Trump has a lot to say about the incident today, and so does Donald Trump. You'll hear from both of them next.

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WATTERS: Donald Trump's been answering a lot of questions about his stance on immigration. But when Jorge Ramos from Univision tried to ask him one last night, this happened.

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: OK. Who's next? Yes, please.

JORGE RAMOS, UNIVISION ANCHOR: Mr. Trump, I have a question.

TRUMP: Excuse me, sit down. You weren't called. Sit down. Sit down.

RAMOS: I'm a U.S. citizen, an immigrant.

TRUMP: Go ahead.

RAMOS: I have the right to ask a question.

TRUMP: No you don't. You haven't been called.

RAMOS: I have the right to ask a question.

TRUMP: Go back to Univision.

RAMOS: No, this is the question.

TRUMP: Go ahead.

RAMOS: You cannot deport 11 million people.

TRUMP: Go ahead.

RAMOS: You cannot build a 1,900-mile wall. You cannot deny citizenship to children in this country.

TRUMP: Sit down, please. You weren't called.

RAMOS: And with those ideas -- I'm a reporter, and I have -- don't touch me, sir. Don't touch me, sir. You cannot touch me. I have the right to ask a question.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

WATTERS; Trump did eventually invite Ramos back in and sparred with him again for several minutes. Both of them reacted to last night's fireworks on the morning shows today.

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TRUMP (via phone): He was totally out of line last night. I was asking and being asked a question from another reporter. I would have gotten to him very quickly. And he stood up and started ranting and raving like a madman. And frankly, he was out of line.

RAMOS (via phone): I've been a journalist for more than 30 years. I've been all over the world. And I've never been thrown out of any press conference from any interview. This is not Cuba or Venezuela.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WATTERS: So Greg, I think Ramos acted like an illegal alien and got treated like one. He cut the line. Was disruptive.

PERINO: Jesse Watters.

WATTERS: And then was deported. And then Trump let him back in. Isn't that his policy?

GUTFELD: You know, but the thing is, he was rude. And here you have a reporter that is obsessed with our immigration issues. He believes that if you're not for, like, porous borders, somehow you're bigoted.

But he should be asking the questions of why are his people fleeing his own country. He should be very, very passionate about the corruption and the infrastructure, how come you can't drink the water? I asked that before. I'm trying to figure out how a world power, you can't drink their water.

But he made a mistake. You can't make a spectacle in front of another spectacle. It's like lighting a firecracker next to a roman candle. And that's what he did. And by the way, Trump did let him back in.

WATTERS: That's right.

GUTFELD: He did cut in line. And -- he cut in line. He interrupted. He was rude. He should be polite. That's my motto.

WATTERS: That's right. Hillary ties up reporters. Obama spies on reporters. Trump can't kick a reporter out? I mean, what's wrong?

PERINO: I think -- I actually think that Trump was right to say, "Look, it's not your turn yet."

The one thing I would advise him to do is he needs to work on a look, right? Like a little bit of a "Sit down, buddy, I'll get to you," and then he could move on.

It is interesting that he's got security to be able to toss somebody out and bring him back in.

GUTFELD: His henchmen.

PERINO: The spectacle actually worked for both of them.

WATTERS: You're right.

PERINO: Jorge Ramos was being just like Donald Trump in terms of doing as much as he could to get as much attention for himself. It actually worked for both of them, because they have dominated the news. And actually, we know nothing more about the immigration -- actual policies than we did 24 hours ago, but we know a lot more about the style.

And I think that you notice that all those reporters were right behind Mr. Trump, saying that's right. We're here, waiting our turn.

GUILFOYLE: That's true. But you dealt with this and with the press corps. And...

PERINO: But no one acted like that.

GUILFOYLE: No. But my point simply is, I think there's meaning to the process.

PERINO: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: Have some civility, to ask a question, wait until you're called on. Because otherwise, it's disrespectful to the other colleagues. They would like to do well.

PERINO: And you can shout a question at the end of a press conference, not the beginning of a press conference.

WATTERS: I was just kicked out of De Blasio's press conference. And you know, I didn't grandstand. I respected decorum. Why can't Ramos?

WILLIAMS: Yes, but let me just say I don't get -- why do you have to be, like, so dismissive and rude about illegal immigrants? Jorge Ramos was acting like a journalist.

GUILFOYLE: No.

WATTERS: He disrespected the other journalists by cutting in front of them.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. Jorge Ramos had asked for an interview from Trump, been denied. He goes to Iowa.

WATTERS: OK.

WILLIAMS: Sits there, feels -- now I wasn't there. But he clearly felt like, "You know what? I'm going to push to the front of the line." And he was aggressive. We don't get punished in journalism for being aggressive.

WATTERS: No. You get called on, Juan.

WILLIAMS: That's right. And let me just say...

WATTERS: You're saying Trump did not...

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. And what Trump did -- no, no, no, slow down. What Trump did does remind me of some kind of dictator or some kind of totalitarian society, whereas Greg said the henchmen come and throws you out.

PERINO: Where he lets him back in and lets him ask a question?

WILLIAMS: No, what it is -- come on, Dana.

GUILFOYLE: I thought that was more...

PERINO: I'm telling you, I don't like either one. But he did invite -- do you think Putin would have invited the reporter back?

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WILLIAMS: He'd be dead. He'd be dead in Russia.

GUILFOYLE: He would have given him Polonium poisoning instead.

WILLIAMS: So that's what -- that's what Trump is like now? We're saying he's like Putin?

PERINO: No, no, no.

WATTERS: He doesn't take his shirt off.

GUILFOYLE: No. Juan, what she said was he let him back in, which was appropriate.

WILLIAMS: No. This...

GUILFOYLE: He said, "Hey, listen you were out of order, but now I'll let you come back in."

WILLIAMS: He put this guy's phone number on the Internet. This is bully tactics, because he doesn't like the fact that Jorge Ramos stands up and says this is biased discrimination against people who are Mexican.

WATTERS: Trump answered more questions in five minutes with Ramos than Hillary has in five months.

WILLIAMS: Oh, yes, there you go. You say he didn't answer any.

WATTERS: We've got to get to next. What is the most honest or dishonest city in the country? The trustworthiness of Americans put to the test in a new experiment. The results are next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WILLIAMS: Can Americans be trusted?

GUTFELD: No!

WILLIAMS: As part of an annual experiment, just like Gregory's comment, a company called Honest Tea has stands filled with iced-tea bottles in 27 cities. They charged a dollar per bottle. Payment was based on the honor system.

The result? Ninety-four percent of Americans, good guys, put a buck in the box. Six percent, well, they just helped themselves.

The most honest people were in Atlanta! The least honest, Providence, Rhode Island. People only took money out of the box in one city, my city, Washington, D.C.

PERINO: Shocker.

WILLIAMS: So Gregory, the big thing was, though...

GUILFOYLE: Picking our pockets, too.

WILLIAMS: Women -- women are more honest than men.

GUTFELD: This is the most P.C. baloney ever. You know what they did? They tracked observable characteristics. Meaning the only characteristics that wouldn't get them in trouble. So they did gender and hair color. They found the least trustworthy were bald people. So that was their lead. Bald people are the least trustworthy, because bald people don't have an activist group.

What if they had done -- what if they had done race? What if they had done it in specific parts of a city? They would be crucified. So instead they went after hair, and they went after gender.

GUILFOYLE: Look at -- Lex Luther and Dr. Evil.

WILLIAMS: Yes, but what if it was, like, a bald woman and then she had some disease?

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

WILLIAMS: You know, it would have been terrible.

Dana, what about this? What about Atlanta? Why Atlanta?

PERINO: I'll say it's not -- this is not -- I'll tell you why it's Atlanta. This is not a study. It's a P.R. stunt -- and a good one -- for the company.

Why Atlanta, Georgia? It's hot there. So they're drinking more iced tea. So it's a big thing. Like you're going to sell -- you're going to sell more iced tea in Georgia than you are in Rhode Island.

WILLIAMS: But you think they're honest because it's hot?

PERINO: No. I think it's about Honest Tea. It's about selling iced tea.

WILLIAMS: All right. So...

GUILFOYLE: It gives them a good value.

WILLIAMS: Good values.

WATTERS: You know, Juan, they actually caught the person on camera who stole the money in D.C. You know who it was?

WILLIAMS: No.

WATTERS: Hillary.

WILLIAMS: Oh! This must make you happy.

WATTERS: Wasn't she dead broke? She needs...

WILLIAMS: All right. "One More Thing" up next.

GUILFOYLE: Poor Hillary.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUILFOYLE: It's been a wild one. Time now for "One More Thing." I'm up first. I love the military. I love to go fast, and I love big bad you- know-what vehicles. So guess what?

GUTFELD: Oh, no. OK.

GUILFOYLE: Oshkosh beat out three competitors for the new design. This is going to save lives and whip the butts of our enemies. This is the new JLTV. Oshkosh beat out Lockheed Martin, AM General LLC to get this contract, $6.75 billion...

PERINO: Wow.

GUILFOYLE: ... to be able to protect our military. It's lighter, provides superior protection against mines and roadside bombs. Less injuries and fatalities to our precious troops. Greater range and durability to transport the troops and the gear.

And I'm telling you, feast your eyes on that one. It is a beauty.

PERINO: Hopefully, they'll be allowed to use them.

WATTERS: You need it for the suburbs.

GUILFOYLE: It's going to be fantastic. All right? So there you go. That was mine. What is yours?

GUTFELD: First I've got to wish happy birthday to my wife.

GUILFOYLE: Happy birthday.

GUTFELD: Yay, yay. yay. And now this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: I hate these people!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: As you can tell, I have more emotion for hate than I do for love. All right. First, it was gay marriage.

GUILFOYLE: We got that memo.

GUTFELD: Then it was cats and dogs hanging out together, which I don't like. And now Burger King has asked McDonald's to collaborate to create a McWhopper. And the profits of this Frankensteinian -- who cares? It's just awful; it's monstrous. The profits go to a U.N.-sponsored event called Peace Day, which we know is wrong.

Anyway, McDonald's -- got to love McDonald's -- said, "No, thank you, Burger King." By the way, Burger King burgers, eh. Your chicken sandwiches, eh. Anyway, done.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Well, why don't we have a food segment on that? Maybe not.

PERINO: Actually, Kennedy will have that tonight. Going to stop by.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, yum.

GUTFELD: Oh, wow, aren't you special?

PERINO: I'm on her show. It's a cool show.

All right. It's been a rough day for a lot of people. But one thing people have enjoyed is it's National Dog Day. You know that I've got to love that. And there's a picture this morning of Jasper. And I got a whole bunch of them.

Let's see, I've got some pictures of Rufus and Edgar, Buddy, Lily and Rose. Look at these three. They're pretty cute. There's somebody named Sergeant Jasper. Check him out. He's pretty cute. And Sky.

And also I have an update. The sock monkey has been replaced. Jasper got it last night. Within minutes, he ripped a hole in it.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. Now it feels more comfortable. Jesse.

WATTERS: Do you like to get sloppy and wet? Well, people in Spain love it at the annual tomato festival. People were throwing tomatoes all over each other. It was getting real disgusting and juicy, and everybody loved it. and there was one fan who had an especially amazing time. Let's hear what he had to say.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All summer I'm excited! Yes. I like Spain, and I like tomatoes!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: OK.

WATTERS: The guy loves tomatoes. I do, too.

GUILFOYLE: Juan.

WILLIAMS: all right. So here's a note that was left by a vacation visitor to Yellowstone Park. Very unhappy they didn't get to see Yogi and Boo Boo. It says, "Our visit was wonderful, but we never saw any bears. Please train your bears to be where guests can see them. This was an expensive trip."

GUTFELD: Go to Chuck E.

WILLIAMS: Boy, no idea about nature.

GUILFOYLE: That's it for us. "Special Report" is next.

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