This is a rush transcript from "The Kelly File," August 26, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
MEGYN KELLY, HOST: Breaking tonight, the father of a young reporter murdered on live TV this morning speaks to "The Kelly File" in a cable news exclusive. Along with that reporter's boyfriend.
Welcome, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. It was just before 7:00 a.m. Eastern Time when reporter Alison Parker of Roanoke, Virginia's WDBJ was conducting an interview about tourism at a local lake. Parker who was 24 and her photographer Adam Ward who was 27 were a regular team on the morning broadcast. And today was no different. But toward the end of their interview, all normalcy was lost as the unthinkable unfolded on live TV.
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VICKI GARDNER, SMITH MOUNTAIN LAKE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE : To provide a better experience. We're saying tourism, we want the people that come here to say that was --
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KELLY: More than a dozen gun shots punctuating the previously tranquil exchange leaving Parker and her interview subject with looks of sheer horror. The newscast quickly cut back to the anchor chair where an obviously stunned host assured viewers that they would figure out what those sounds were and report back. A few hours later on that same channel, the news station's general manager would confirm the worst, that both Parker and Ward had died, and that those sounds the viewers heard were in fact gun shots. As the day went on, we learned the source of the gun shots, a reportedly disgruntled former colleague. We're not naming that shooter consistent with our "Kelly File" policy that declines to assist those killers seeking infamy in their twisted quest to get it.
The shooter would later lead police with a chase, just a few hours north of the crime scene before crashing into the median where police discovered he had suffered a self-inflicted gunshot wound. He was pronounced dead a short time later. And to make the whole thing more horrifying, the shooter made his own video, posting it to social media. We are showing only part of it and only one time. And we warn you strongly that it is disturbing. You can see the live shot going on as the gunman walks up.
Alison Parker and Adam Ward and the woman they are interviewing initially unaware of what's unfolding just feet away from them. You see him circle around the scene and then the gun comes up. Still no one seems to react. It points for a moment, the shooter is heard muttering and then he lowers his hand to gun. Roughly 20 seconds later, the gun comes back up and we will not show you what happened next.
Our coverage begins tonight with Rick Leventhal who was live in Virginia at the site with what we are learning about a possible motive tonight. Rick.
RICK LEVENTHAL, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Megyn, all too often after shootings like this, you hear people say, oh, the gunman was quiet, he never bothered anyone, we never thought he was capable of violence like this. Well, that's not what we're hearing about this shooter in this case who brutally murdered a young reporter and her camera man at close range, on what appears to be a nine millimeter handgun and wounded the local head of the Chamber of Commerce during a live interview about tourism. Former coworkers are describing the killer as off kilter, bizarre and threatening. He filed at least two lawsuits against former employers, including WDBJ where he only lasted one year as a reporter with poor performance evaluations and his bosses had to call 911 when they let him know he was being terminated because of his erratic and menacing behavior.
After the triple shooting earlier this morning, the gunman found time to fax a 23-page rambling letter described as a manifesto and a suicide note to ABC news. In it he blames today's violence on the Charleston Church shootings, saying his hollow points bullets had the victims initials on them taunting the Charleston shooter, praising the Columbine and Virginia Tech shooters, and claiming he had been a victim of racial discrimination, sexual harassment and bullying at work, picked on he claimed for being a gay black man. "Yes, it will sound like I'm angry," he wrote. "I am. And I have every right to be. But when I leave this earth, the only emotion I want to feel is peace. The church shooting was the tipping point but my anger has been building steadily. I've been a human powder keg for a while just waiting to go boom." Megyn, as you might imagine, the violence has left this town in shock.
KELLY: Rick Leventhal, thank you.
And joining us now in a "Kelly File" exclusive, Alison Parker's boyfriend and co-worker Chris Hurst, plus her father Andy Parker. Thank you both so much for being here tonight, gentlemen. And all my condolences to you in a night of heartbreak for you and your families.
Let me start with you, Andy. How did you find out this morning that something had happened to Alison?
ANDY PARKER, ALISON PARKER'S FATHER: Megyn, someone from the station, one of the producers sent us a text that said, you know, there were shots fired and they hadn't heard anything from Alison. They didn't know if anyone was hurt. But, you know, something had happened. And you know, my daughter calls me every day, or called me every day. She was, you know, she loved us and we were such a tight family. That she always called me and just to check in and, you know, get any opinion on what her package looked like. And when I heard that and then as time went on and, you know, there was no call from her, I knew -- I just had a gut feeling that something was wrong.
KELLY: You -- I mean the range of emotions you must have been experiencing today. I know you've said heart break, shock, anger. Tell us.
PARKER: Well, you know, I've been alternating between the shock and the grief. You know, I'm holding up, I guess okay but I've been crying my eyes out all day long. And you know, it's gone from -- it's gone back and forth, and now it's -- you know, the anger is starting to creep in there. Because this should not happen. It shouldn't have happened to someone like Alison.
KELLY: Chris, you and Alison lived together. You wanted to get married and you're her co-worker, you're the anchor of the 6:00 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. News there. She worked the morning shift. How did you find out this morning?
CHRIS HURST, ALISON PARKER'S BOYFRIEND AND CO-WORKER: Megyn, I found out with frantic phone calls this morning. When I returned those phone calls, because I was asleep. It happened around 7:00 a.m. and, you know, I -- you know, normally my schedule aligns with hers so that I come home after doing the 11:00 news, I make her breakfast and pack her a launch and send her on her day and kiss her good-bye before she goes away in her car. And she would always text me, we would always be concerned texting each other when we got to work safely. And she texted me, "Good night sweet boy." And that was the last that I had ever heard from her. And then I was startled awake this morning from phone calls, from the station telling me that there had been a shooting on live television and that I needed to come to the station.
KELLY: When you found out who the shooter was, a former colleague of both of yours, what was your reaction?
HURST: Unfortunately I was not surprised because he was someone who was known to people at the station for volatility. Alison and Adam carried no hate in their heart and expressed no hate or ill will. She had had a brief interaction with him when she was an intern at our station in 2013. And he did not work for us for very long. So my interaction and Adam's interactions were brief as well. You know, he was there, you know -- when she got there, he pretty much was gone. And had disappeared for, you know, over a year.
KELLY: When -- of course today we've seen the rantings of a madman in his so-called manifesto. And I don't mean to give them any credence by asking you about it but I want to give you a chance to speak to his allegation before he took his own life, that she had made racist comments as some sort of a bizarre justification for his behavior, Chris.
HURST: Well, Megyn, you know, let me start --
KELLY: Go ahead, Andy.
PARKER: I watched no news today. I did not see any of that. I didn't want to see any of it. And unfortunately I was listening prior to our coming on that he used hollow point bullets. You know, it was tough to, you know, it's almost tough standing here knowing that. So, I did not know any of the details. I didn't want to know any of the details other than, you know, according to law enforcement that I talked to here, she didn't suffer. And that's, you know, at least that's some solace.
HURST: I'll answer your question, Megyn, by saying that I do not think that anybody at WDBJ 7 was intentionally rude or discriminatory to him. Clearly someone who has decided to premeditated take action and kill two people in cold blood and tried to kill a third is not someone who is making rational and lucid thoughts when he issues what you are identifying as a manifesto.
HURST: So, I don't think you can take anything that is said in any of his writings and take it as something that is to be believed.
PARKER: He was a -- I'm sorry, Chris. He was a crazy man that got a gun. And that's, you know, that's part two of where we're going.
HURST: And I have posted on my Facebook page that I report on mental health issues, and I have since last year when a state senator was stabbed by his son. So, I think we need to be very careful with how we identify this man and we don't label him and then discriminate against everybody else who has a mental illness in this country who needs access to services. But clearly something went wrong here between him leaving our station, and being able to purchase a gun and commit a premeditated act. What happened behind us was clearly wrong. But there had been ample time beforehand where many, many other things went wrong. Those need to be addressed. Not any of the allegations that he's saying about the love of my life, the daughter that he loved, a cameraman who deeply loved his fiancee who is the morning show producer and she loved him back in equal measure.
KELLY: And it was believed by some that before Adam died, the photographer, that he actually pointed his camera in the direction of his killer so there would be photographic evidence of the man who took his life. It's just speculation --
HURST: If that's what you want to speculate, go right ahead. You're talking about two people who were killed in cold blood that didn't suffer. So, I don't think it's fair to be making --
KELLY: No, no, no, no --
PARKER: I really don't want to talk about that, Megyn.
KELLY: I understood.
PARKER: You know, I want to talk about -- and I was told that this is going to be about Alison's life and what she meant. And, you know, frankly she was -- you know, I had reservations coming here. You know, if it were any other situation I wouldn't have. But she was a journalist. She was a journalist first and a TV personality second. And, you know, make no mistake, she was a journalist and he would have wanted me to come here and state the case. You know, we even laughed, you know, we joked with her that, you know, she was the perfect Fox News girl. She was pretty, she was blond and she was extremely smart.
KELLY: And she was driven and she was dedicated. All of her co- workers talked about how hard she worked, how dedicated to the job she was. There was no shift she wouldn't take. And I mean, I can only imagine --
PARKER: She always went the extra mile.
KELLY: And I hope Andy, that it's some comfort to you, and to you, Chris, that she died doing what she loved to do. And in the presence of a friend who appeared to care for her as well. I want to give you the chance to offer your message, because it must be so hard to come on television hours after you've lost someone. I raised the point about the camera man's heroic actions only because I was moved by them as a journalist. But I want you to have a chance to say what you want to say.
PARKER: Well, I appreciate that. Yes. Alison, she was only 24-years-old. She only turned 24 a week ago. And yet she lived a great life. I mean she did a lot of stuff. She excelled at everything she did. And she loved what she did. She loved the people that she worked with. She was happy with her place in life. So, you know, we can only take, you know, some solace in the fact that she had a wonderful life. She was extremely happy. And she loved this guy with all of her heart. And that's, that's the toughest thing for me. Everybody that she touched loved her and she loved everybody back.
And, you know, I'm not going to let this issue drop. You know, we've got to do something about crazy people getting guns. And, you know, and the problem that you guys have is that -- and I know it's the news business and this is a big story. But next week it isn't going to be a story anymore and everybody is going to forget it. But you mark my words, my mission in life -- and I talked to the governor today. He called me and he said -- and I told him, I said, "I'm going to do something, whatever it takes, to get gun legislation to shame people, to shame legislators into doing something about closing loopholes in background checks and making sure crazy people don't get guns." And he said, "You go, I'm right there with you." So, you know, this is not the last you've heard of me. This is something that is Alison's legacy that I want to make happen.
HURST: Andy and I have been trying to be strong today because we felt that it was our duty to Alison because she was a journalist and this is what she would have wanted us to do. To share her story. She was a story teller by profession. And we're trying to tell her story. We're also trying to make sure that her life was not in vain. Her university James Madison University immediately decided to open up a scholarship fund in her name for the school of media arts and designs, and that is accepting donations now. It is at James Madison University in Harrisburg where she grew to love television news and love journalism. That is where she fostered her passion. And that is what we're trying to focus on now.
PARKER: Remember, and you already know this, you guys, she was one of you. She was one of you and don't let this go. Don't let it slide.
KELLY: You both do her great honor tonight. I don't know how you're even standing but I'm so grateful for you coming on and speaking with us. All the best to you.
PARKER: Thank you.
KELLY: Up next, Dana Loesch and Bill Burton on the questions they just raised about where we go from here on guns.
KELLY: Breaking tonight, the tragedy in Virginia turns to guns. Almost as soon as news of this deadly shooting broke, everyone from Hillary Clinton to the White House and the democratic governor of Virginia all spoke of the need for more gun control, even though at the time we knew little about the suspect or his possible motives. Watch.
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GOV. TERRY MCAULIFFE, D-VA.: I've said consistently, there are too many guns in people's hands that should not have them. I had to veto a piece of legislation that allowed individuals to buy machine guns in the commonwealth of Virginia. I had to veto another piece of legislation that allowed folks to carry loaded shot guns in their cars. Now, that's a tragedy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Governor, do we know that he is not a permit holder? Do we know that he --
MCAULIFFE: I don't know anything. I don't. I don't. At this stage, I don't.
JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: This is another example of gun violence that is becoming all too common in communities large and small all across the United States. And while there is no piece of legislation that will end all violence in this country, there are some common sense things that only Congress can do.
HILLARY CLINTON, D-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We have got to do something about gun violence in America. And I will take it on. There are many people who face it and know it, but then turn away because it's hard. It's a very political difficult issue in America.
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KELLY: Joining us now, Dana Loesch. She's the host of "Dana" on the Blaze TV and also the author of "Hands off My Gun," along with Bill Burton who is the former White House deputy press secretary under President Obama. Thank you both for being here.
DANA LOESCH, HOST OF "DANA" ON THEBLAZETV: Thank you, Megyn.
KELLY: Let me -- I mean obviously all of our hearts go out to these grieving families and to our fellow journalists who lost their lives today. And you heard where the family is going with it. I'll just start with you, Dana, as somebody who is a staunch defender of the Second Amendment on your reaction to what you heard.
LOESCH: It's heartbreaking. There is evil in this world. And Megyn, first off, it's good to have you back.
KELLY: Thank you.
LOESCH: I was hearing on my radio program today, I have affiliates in Virginia and I was hearing from people, they're calling into my program, they saw this happen, they saw this happen on their televisions this morning and they were sharing their experiences and their perspectives about it. You are always going to have criminals in this world and you are always going to have people -- evil exists, evil it is real. And this is proof of it. My heart goes out to their families. My heart goes out to their colleagues as well. It's a terrifying thing. And this is the first social media murder which creates a whole other -- a whole other new development.
KELLY: Uh-mm. And yet, Bill, you know, we didn't see anything done after, you know, what happened at an elementary school with a bunch of six- year-olds, and so what are the odds of anything happening now?
BILL BURTON, FORMER WHITE HOUSE DEPUTY PRESS SECRETARY UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA: You know, my son's nursery school, after Sandy Hook, they added a second gate before you could get in that required two hands to open it, a lock on the top, a lock on the bottom so that a gunman couldn't walk in with a gun. And I just think that if even at a nursery school that my four-year-old son goes to, they can do something, the fact that lawmakers can't is disgusting. And I have to say, I agree with everything that Dana said. There is real evil in this world and we saw it today. But Americans are slaughtering Americans every day with guns. And at some point we've got to do something about that.
KELLY: But the question is what. I mean, they're talking about, you know, background checks and so on. The news tonight, Dana, is that he passed one.
LOESCH: Yes. Well, and at the time when you had McAuliffe and you had Hillary Clinton and everyone else who were making these remarks, we had no idea how he obtained it. If he passed a background check, then it goes to, he had already had a dustup at work. We don't know what if he had a mental illness. We don't know anything about his mental history. And we already know for the instance in Charleston, Megyn, that individual, that murderer passed a background check because the FBI failed to properly file documentation. We also know from our own Vice President Joe Biden that when you falsify information on form 4473, the very thing that you fill out when you get a background check every single time when you make a purchase, they're not even prosecuting individuals who are lying on those forms which Megyn is a felony.
KELLY: And so, the question is whether we're enforcing the laws as they exist in a meaningful way. But we are learning more about the shooter's background and what was known about him or should have been known about him and the question about whether he should have been given a gun. He should have passed a background check. We're going to pick it up right after the break. A quick two-minute break. Don't go away.
KELLY: Serious questions tonight about the killer in Virginia and whether he should have been able to get a gun. Dana Loesch and Bill Burton are back with me now. So, that's the question Dana, if he passed a background check, what laws could be tightened to prevent somebody like this from getting a gun.
LOESCH: Yes. Exactly. And if he passed a background check, and there had already been question about his behavior and the question becomes, why wasn't this reported as we saw in the Gifford shooting. You had an individual who had been kicked out of the -- community college that had been reported to the sheriff's office, nobody followed up on it. Virginia Tech same thing. The problem Megyn that we see each and every single time is that you have an abundance of laws and you have people including states and local officials who do not follow those laws. And I want to bring up something really quickly as well. Everyone is focusing on the gun. Can we also bring up the fact that this is a racially charged, racially motivated crime by somebody who had a grievance? And I think there is all too often a focus on the tool instead of the hate in someone's heart.
KELLY: You know, we saw this, Bill, we've seen this in other cases where a disgruntled employee goes back to the place of business and takes the live of his co-workers. I mean, we did a special on somebody who did it, and he beheaded a woman with a knife. You can take away the weapon. But shouldn't we be focusing on taking away the will to murder and is that even possible in 2015 United States of America?
BURTON: Well, it would be great if we could take away the will to murder. But the answer can't be, do nothing. If people are repeatedly being killed with guns -- there are not a lot of beheadings in the United States. There are random acts of violence that happens with weapons besides guns. But guns are what's at the center every single time. And yes, we should focus on the fact that that's the weapon being used. Because more people get killed with guns in the United States than any other country in the world and there has to be something that we can do about it. It can't just be that background checks can't save us every single time. It ought to be, what the heck are we going to do to save the United States of America from the gun problem that it has right now.
KELLY: What about it, Dana?
LOESCH: We don't have a gun problem. We have a criminal problem. We have a society that thinks it's completely permissible to shirk responsibility. We have people who have no problem with what Planned Parenthood does in terms of fetal parts harvesting. We don't teach a respect for life. We glorify violence in movie, music, film and books. This is what our society is. This is Frankenstein's monster. This is what society has created. It is a reflection of us. And as I said, criminals are always going to be with us. I've had my life protected with a gun. I don't want that right taken from me.
KELLY: Thank you both for being here.
LOESCH: Thank you, Megyn.
KELLY: Tough story and tough night. Thank you both.
BURTON: Thanks, Megyn.
KELLY: Also tonight, 24 hours after Univision anchor Jorge Ramos is kicked out of a Donald Trump news conference in Iowa, neither man is backing down. You heard Bill, he was upset that Jorge Ramos will come on the FACTOR. Guess what, he's here, next.
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JORGE RAMOS, UNIVISION ANCHOR: Mr. Trump, just one question about immigration. Your immigration plan is --
DONALD TRUMP, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Okay. Who is next? Yes. Please.
RAMOS: Mr. Trump, I have a question.
TRUMP: Excuse me. Sit down, you weren't called. Sit down.
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KELLY: Breaking tonight, a war of words erupting on the campaign trail. Last night, the chief anchor of the largest Spanish newscast in the United States was kicked out of a Donald Trump news conference. And tonight, no one is backing down. With Jorge Ramos standing by his conduct, and Donald Trump accusing Ramos of quote, "Ranting and raving like a mad man." It was 24 hours ago when Ramos confronted Trump in Iowa, challenging Trump's immigration proposals. Trump refused to answer at first because Ramos was not called on by him. Watch.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (inaudible).
TRUMP: OK. Who is next? Yeah, please.
JORGE RAMOS, UNIVISION ANCHOR: Mr. Trump, I have a question.
TRUMP: Excuse me, sit down. You weren't called. Sit down. Sit down.
RAMOS: No, I'm not.
TRUMP: Sit down. Go ahead.
RAMOS: I have the right to ask a question.
TRUMP: No, you don't. You haven't been called.
RAMOS: I have the right to ask a question. And this is.
TRUMP: Go back to Univision.
RAMOS: No. This is the question.
TRUMP: Go ahead.
RAMOS: You cannot deport 11 million.
TRUMP: Go ahead.
RAMOS: You cannot deport 11 million people. You cannot build a 1900- mile wall.
TRUMP: Go ahead.
RAMOS: You cannot deny citizenship to children in this country.
TRUMP: Sit down, please. You weren't called.
RAMOS: No, no. I'm a reporter and I have the right to ask a question.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please.
RAMOS: I have the right to right a question.
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KELLY: Joining me now, Jorge Ramos. He is chief news anchor for Univision and host of America with Jorge Ramos on the Fusion cable network. Jorge, welcome. Thank you very much for being here. So what is it like to be caught in the cross hairs of a billionaire presidential frontrunner?
RAMOS: Well, you know exactly how it feels, but before we start let me just say that today is a really sad day for journalism and my condolences to the families of the victims today in Virginia. You know, the only thing I wanted to do is to ask a question. Many weeks ago, I requested an interview with Mr. Donald Trump. I sent him a handwritten note with my cell phone. Instead of returning our phone calls or calling me, he published it online and he just didn't want to give me an answer. However, there are many questions that we have on Mr. Donald Trump. How is he going to deport 11 million documented immigrants? How is he going to deny citizenship for the children of the immigrants here? How is he going to build a 1900-mile wall? So we needed answers, so we decided to go to Iowa, go to the press conference and ask those questions. And clearly, Donald Trump didn't like my question and then, that's what happened. He tried to silence me. And in this country, you cannot do that. I'm a U.S. citizen, I'm an immigrant, I'm a reporter and I have the right in this country to ask any question I want.
RAMOS: To whomever I want.
KELLY: And what.
RAMOS: I didn't.
KELLY: And what -- you know what he said.
RAMOS: I didn't do it for (inaudible) years.
KELLY: What he said was, you.
KELLY: That you -- he was suggesting you were looking for a confrontation, that you were rude to the other reporters in the room because you didn't wait your turn.
RAMOS: No. I follow my turn. Two reporters before me asked their questions and then, I said I have a question on immigration. And nobody else said anything. He was ready to listen to my question, and as soon as I started telling him that it was impossible -- because it's really his immigration plan is full of empty promises. That it is impossible to do what he's saying that he's gonna do. He didn't like the question. And then he called on another reporter, trying to make sure that I would stop. And he told me to sit down then, then of course.
KELLY: Let me ask you this. So he -- it was clear -- clearly, he's not a fan of yours.
RAMOS: I follow the rules and he just didn't like the question.
KELLY: Right. It's not unusual for a reporter to jump up and start questioning.
RAMOS: And then I was forced out of the room.
KELLY: OK. It's not unusual for a reporter to do what you did. I mean, that's clear. All the reporters had.
RAMOS: It happens all the time.
RAMOS: Given to those.
KELLY: However, let me ask you this.
RAMOS: It happens all the time.
KELLY: Let me ask you this. He clearly is not a fan of yours, and of Univision, but it appears to be mutual.
RAMOS: Neither of yours.
KELLY: So in his defense, why would he want to engage with you when you're? -- You know, you are on the record as calling him the most hateful divisive figure, running for president right now.
RAMOS: Well, because what his words are dangerous and his ideas are extreme, when it comes to immigration and when it comes to freedom of the press. I've been in journalism for 30 years and never been ejected from any press conference anywhere in the world. That -- those are the things that you see in dictatorships, not in the United States of America. And it is very important that he answers the question. He hasn't answered the question on, how is he going to deport 11 million undocumented immigrants from this country? Can you imagine? And Megyn, what would it be it will require the army? Is he going to put thousands of immigrants in stadiums and then use buses and airplanes to deport them? That's not the United States that I know. And he has to answer those questions.
KELLY: He -- well, he's been asked some of those questions.
RAMOS: Deported babies? He wants to do by denying.
KELLY: He's been asked.
RAMOS: Citizenship to the.
KELLY: He has been asked some of those questions.
RAMOS: Children born in this country.
KELLY: Even when.
RAMOS: Those are important questions that we have to ask.
KELLY: Sorry. Even when -- you came back in, you asked him some of those questions. You said, "How are you going to build a fence that's 1900 miles." He said, "It's easy. I build building -- it's tougher to build a building a story that's 95 stories high. Then build a fence that's 19 --I'm a builder," he says. Do you accept that?
RAMOS: No, of course not because it's a waste that he says he's very good with money. But let me tell you something, it would be a waste of money to build a 1900-mile wall. Simply because almost 40 percent of all immigrants come by plane and they overstay their visas.
KELLY: He says he doesn't believe that.
RAMOS: But this is not gonna make sense. He said - he said he doesn't believe that? Well, facts are facts. And the fact says is that they come by plane almost 40 percent, and the facts is at 75 percent of Latinos nationwide, have a negative opinion of Mr. Trump and he's out.
KELLY: Well, the Gallup poll shows 65 percent.
RAMOS: He's not gonna win that (inaudible).
KELLY: Shows 65 -- but, so he did give you an answer.
RAMOS: The administration poll said 70, 75 percent.
KELLY: Here's my question. He did give you an answer, but you disagreed with the answer. But the thing is he doesn't like Univision. He's suing Univision for $500 million because they canceled his Miss America.
RAMOS: He keeps us on that (ph).
KELLY: I mean, Miss USA.
RAMOS: Because of the question you asked.
KELLY: Right, right. No, I'm just saying, he doesn't -- there seems to be bad blood and it goes back to June, when they canceled the Miss USA, the Miss Universe contest. And then the head of programming at Univision sent out a -- his Instagram account, a picture of Donald Trump on one side and a mass racist murderer on the other side, we always blur out the faces of these mass murders, and he was forced later to apologize for doing that. But the point is, can you understand Trump's side of it, which is, this is not the outlet. I want to take these questions from their mind is made up about me.
RAMOS: I understand that, but also, he's talking about the fastest growing electoral block in the United States. He's talking about 16 million Latinos that will go to the polls and might decide the next election. So it doesn't matter if he doesn't like it. There are questions that need to be answered. And the problem is that he's not used to being questioned. He doesn't like uncomfortable questions. It happened with you, it happened with your colleagues at Fox News. He hates it when he's being confronted. And we have to ask the questions. I think as journalists, Megyn, with all due respect, I think we have to take a stand when it comes to racism, discrimination, corruption, public lies, dictatorships and human rights. And when he's speaking -- when he's expressing those really dangerous words, we have to confront him. That's our job to ask tough questions, even if he doesn't like them.
KELLY: Jorge, it's great to see you. Thank you for being here.
RAMOS: Thank you, Megyn.
KELLY: Up next, Dana Perino and Ann Coulter weigh in on that interview with Jorge Ramos.
And later, Breaking News on a standoff in Louisiana after a police officer is shot and killed.
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RAMOS: As journalist, Megyn, with all due respect, I think we have to take a stand when it comes to racism, discrimination, corruption, public lies, dictatorships and human rights. And when he's speaking -- when he's expressing those really dangerous words, we have to confront him. That's our job to ask the tough questions even if he doesn't like them.
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KELLY: Well, that's what Univision's chief news anchor, Jorge Ramos, defining what he sees as his journalistic role. Dana Perino is co-host of The Five, and a former White House press secretary under President George W. Bush, but we begin with Ann Coulter, author of Adios, America! And she introduced Mr. Trump at the speech he gave in Iowa, just last night, before he had that exchange with Jorge Ramos. And let me start with you, so -- I mean it was interesting that he said it on the record that he is -- that Univision's position is clearly pro-immigrant and believes he needs to take a stance on this issue, your thoughts?
ANN COULTER, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR: Well, he does. That's how they make money, keeping everybody speaking Spanish in this country. They're like Carlos Slim, who saves The New York Times from bankruptcy. They make money off of the illegal and legal immigration from Mexico. It is not true that 40 percent of illegal immigrants flew here. He didn't listen when he interviewed me or read my book. There are an absolute bare minimum of 30 million illegal immigrants, mostly from Central America coming across Mexico, mostly from Mexico. They probably more like 50 million here.
KELLY: Can you speak to the point that he got into? Can you get -- I know, you've looked at this. Speak to the point that people use against conservatives like, you know, like yourself about there's no way to deport 11.3 million people, can't do it?
COULTER: Well, and I'd also say getting into that, he didn't have a question. I mean that was very obvious from your interview with him. He was reading a statement. It was like the woman who wanted a hug from me. I get this all the time at college speeches. Activists don't understand the concept of a question. Ask a question. What he said to you is my question is, is to expand and it can't be done, it's impossible. You're ruining lives, you're gonna them in stadiums, you gonna call out the army -- that's not a question. Of course it can be done. I mean, the amount of money spent on illegal immigration, the minimum 30 million, probably 50 million illegal immigrants here. You have 71 percent of illegal immigrant head of households with children collecting government assistance, you have all of the crimes, and that's not only the court costs, there are the court translators, they're the facial reconstruction surgery, the psychologists, the wounded families, the funeral costs. There's $20 billion being sent back to Mexico every year by immigrants, both legal and illegal here.
KELLY: All right.
COULTER: When I first.
KELLY: Quick question.
COULTER: Writing this book.
KELLY: Quick -- I want to ask you a quick question.
COULTER: I --
KELLY: We're short on time.
KELLY: Forgive me because we have to bring.
COULTER: It's a time saver to build a fence and send them home is the point.
KELLY: Here's the last question. Speak to his allegations of bigotry. He said he has to speak out -- as journalists, we have an obligation when it comes to bigotry.
COULTER: Yeah, exactly what I said. He's an activist. He's not a journalist asking questions. He depends on lots of poor Mexicans living here and not being able to understand, for example, your show. So they have to watch Univision. He's an activist. Bringing in lots of poor people to compete with other poor people, doesn't help the poor people already here. That drives their wages farther and farther down. He's an ethnic activist and he was showing up to protest there, not to ask a question at all.
KELLY: Ann Coulter, oh it's good to see you, ma'am.
COULTER: Good to see you, Megyn. By the way, I did -- the only thing I disagree with Donald Trump on, and I told the crowd last night my (inaudible), a more of actives is he attacks on you, Megyn.
COULTER: I mean you have great ratings when you have him on.
KELLY: Thank you so much. Good to see you.
Joining me now with more, Dana Perino.
All right, so what about that? He continued to say, as a journalist, you have to take a stand on racism and human rights, which does confuse the role of journalist with advocate in this reporter's view.
DANA PERINO, "THE FIVE" CO-HOST: And in 2015, that line has been crossed by many people. And there is an evolution of journalism. When he said Univision's position is this. This is their stated policy position that is.
KELLY: To (inaudible) immigrant.
PERINO: Choosing a side, and that's perfectly acceptable. They're actually -- they're not shy about it. I didn't -- I'm not a fan of that tactic in a press conference in Iowa. I do think Donald Trump was, you know had decorum, he's calling on the reporters. There is this personal and animosity because he's got the lawsuit against Univision. He knows that.
KELLY: And the Instagram by the Univision boss.
KELLY: And Jorge Ramos has tweeted out the New York Daily News cover showing Donald Trump in a clown face. I mean there's, you know, he's made a choice. Jorge Ramos has made a choice and it has -- it's worked very well for him and for his audience. I understand they want questions, and I think that they could have probably gotten them, but what he was doing last night was trying to get attention for himself. Donald Trump ended up with attention to himself, which he didn't even plan on, but.
KELLY: And he always gets attention.
PERINO: The whole story today is about the exchange and the fight with the reporter, not about the substance of the immigration plan.
KELLY: So is that -- I mean, but we would be talking about that, you know.
PERINO: Probably not.
KELLY: If Jorge Ramos hadn't done what he did?
PERINO: Probably not. And I do actually think that Donald Trump is a risk taker, OK. And then, when you're advising a candidate or a president, you would say, "Look, if you want to get ahead, you want to get around this issue, high risk to do an interview with Jorge Ramos, but sir, I think he should do it."
KELLY: And did it.
PERINO: And in a couple weeks he'll do it -- right. And if -- well, did it serve both purposes? I think so. At least it got everybody talking. I also -- I don't think that -- I think you could shout a question at the end of a press conference, not at the beginning of one.
KELLY: Well, he pointed out -- I hadn't seen this. But he's point is, two questions that already been asked of the Trump staffer, and so the presser was sort of ongoing, he saw an opportunity. I mean listen, as a journalist, we always stand up. We try to get our questions asked -- answered. Dana is on the other side, from what says she doesn't like it, but.
PERINO: The thing is like.
KELLY: We're rude. We want to get our questions in.
PERINO: George Bush had a good -- he had a good look, right? Sit down.
PERINO: Right? It's just like a look. You don't have to like say anything.
KELLY: It's great not to say to now. Yeah, you could do what I -- well, that wouldn't work. I was trying to think of other (inaudible). But we gonna leave that. Dana, it was good to see you.
PERINO: Thank you.
KELLY: We also have Breaking News tonight on the standoff on a small town in Louisiana, after a police officer is shot and killed. That's next. Don't go away.
KELLY: Breaking tonight, we are just learning that a standoff in Louisiana has left two people dead, one of them a police officer. Trace Gallagher has the details. Trace?
TRACE GALLAGHER, LOS ANGELES: And Megyn, for the second time in the week, less than a week. A Louisiana police officer has now been shot and killed in the line of duty. This one happened in sunset about 70 miles from Baton Rouge where Officer Henry Nelson was shot late today responding to a domestic violence call of two women being stabbed. One of those women has also died. We're told the suspect behind the stabbing and shooting then got into his car, crashed into a nearby mini market and came out waving a shotgun. Early reports said he took several hostages, but it turns out the people inside the store were able to get out. The suspect then barricaded himself inside, but police didn't wait him out. Instead, they bombarded him with tear gas and smoke bombs. The suspect still refused to give up, so police went in and got him. After they pulled him out, the mini market later went up in flames. We've now learned the two female stabbing victims are the sisters of a local mayor, but we still do not know what prompted the initial violence. The suspect does have a criminal history. And just last weekend, and Louisiana State Trooper Steven Vincent was killed by a man whose car was stuck on the side of a road. That same suspect who allegedly shot the trooper is believed to have killed the trooper -- or his roommate, earlier in the day. That man is now in jail. Megyn?
KELLY: Trace, thank you. We'll be right back, but first coming up on "Hannity," at the top of the hour.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We couldn't deal with his inadequacy. So he woke up this morning, he looked in the mirror, didn't like what he saw and decided the only way he was gonna make a name in TV news was to go out and find two people doing their job, that had nothing to do with his inadequacies or inferiority complex and take them out so he could be the headline news. I think the best thing that we could do after today is never speak of this guy again.
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