Steyn explains Trump's appeal to voters; Giuliani talks Clinton server saga

Presidential candidate continues to rise in the polls on 'Hannity'


This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," August 18, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: And welcome to "Hannity." Tonight, the race for 2016 is in full swing, and one GOP candidate is still gaining momentum. So with less than six months to go until the Iowa caucus, well, billionaire businessman Donald Trump is surging in the polls with some impressive new numbers.

Joining us now tonight at the "Hannity" big board with a full report, "Fox & Friends First" co-host Ainsley Earhardt. Ainsley, what do you got?

AINSLEY EARHARDT, CO-HOST, "FOX & FRIENDS FIRST": Hey, Sen. Well, nearly two weeks after the first Republican debate, Donald Trump continues to surge past his GOP rivals. According to the latest FOX News poll released just a few days ago, Trump has taken a commanding 13-point lead over his closest opponent.

But the good news for the Trump campaign, it doesn't stop there. In fact, a brand-new poll released today shows that Trump is maintaining a large double-digit lead, claiming 24 percent of the potential vote. Former governor Jeb Bush is coming in second place with 13 percent.

So what's behind Trump's strong national support? According to the same poll that we just showed you, Republican voters overwhelmingly trust Trump more than any other candidate on several of the key issues. Forty- five percent of the Republicans polled think that Trump is best suited to handle the economy. Governor Bush is at a distant second with 9 percent.

And on the issue of illegal immigration, where Trump has taken some heat for his comments, an overwhelming 44 percent believe he is best suited to handle that problem. On the subject of ISIS, Mr. Trump maintains a strong 16-point lead. And when it comes to social issues like gay marriage and abortion, Trump also tops the Republican field with 19 percent.

Sean, just a few months ago, Trump was considered an outsider in a crowded field of GOP candidates. But the poll numbers that you just saw -- they're proving that Trump is very much a force to be reckoned with. Back to you.

HANNITY: All right, Ainsley, thanks so much. Appreciate it.

And joining me now with more reaction, the author of a brand-new book, "A Disgrace to the Profession," now available on Amazon for pre-order, the one and only Mark Steyn.

Mark, you look at these numbers, every single category, two polls in two days...


HANNITY: You know, only one other candidate in the new polls in double digits, and the top three in the FOX poll is Ben Carson, Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, insurgent candidates. What are the polls saying?

STEYN: Yes. Well, I think the polls are expressing as much as anything a dissatisfaction with the Republican establishment. We keep being told that Trump has a ceiling on his support. And I confess, you know, in the first few weeks of his candidacy, I thought that was true, too. But it's not just that 25 percent of people support him as their first choice. It's that 10 percent, another 10 percent, would back him as their second choice. So he's got potentially 35 percent support in the Republican primary.

I thought one of the most interesting numbers in that poll was one showing that up against Hillary, she would be 47 percent, he would be 42 percent. Now, a few weeks ago, it was Hillary 51 percent, Trump 34 percent. So all his unfavorables are coming down.

And I think instead of just scoffing at him and saying, Oh, the McCain crack is going to kill him, the Republican establishment needs to consider the fact that this guy is a serious leading candidate. He could well win the nomination, and he has as good a shot as anybody else at actually winning the general election, too.

HANNITY: He's been able to defy political gravity or historical, or traditional political gravity up until this point. And you mentioned a number of instances that might have killed off another candidate.

Does that continue for him? And if you were going to give him advice, you get on the phone, Donald Trump here, Mark Steyn, I have some advice for you, what would it be?

STEYN: Well, I would tell him to continue being Trump because he's -- he's performing a useful service to the republic...

HANNITY: I agree.

STEYN: ... because frankly, you know, all the stuff that's supposed to kill him, the cracks about John McCain, is all peripheral to the serious issues that he's talking about.

I mean, basically, his immigration paper ought to be the sort of thing that one of these sort of so-called mainstream so-called viable candidates ought to have put out, but they didn't put it out. And because they didn't put it out, he's taken up a real issue that's made them all look mealy- mouthed and evasive.

And as Ann Coulter said on your show a week or two back, you know, if you don't like what Trump's saying, steal his issue. They're leaving it too late to do that. Trump's immigration paper is a serious paper. It seriously gets to the lack of social mobility and the lack of economic opportunity in contemporary America. And very few other candidates are discussing that seriously.

HANNITY: It's interesting. And we're going to debate a segment later in the program, how illegal immigration is taking jobs from minorities in this country...

STEYN: Right.

HANNITY: ... and it's driving down wages and it's having a massive impact, and we have 93 million Americans out of the labor force.  Interesting, two things have happened. You have Ted Cruz, said that he was lied to by the leadership in the Senate. Scott Walker very openly critical now of leadership in Washington.

It seems -- and this, I think, is a positive development. It seems now that Trump has given license to some of the other candidates to kind of begin to express their real views here and be more outspoken. I think that'll make everybody stronger in the end, no?

STEYN: Yes, well, you've got a choice because for the other candidates, you can be on the Bain and McConnell, Jeb Bush side of things, or you can be on the insurgent, Trumpian side of things.

The fact is, it's not just Ted Cruz who was lied to by these guys.  You know, the old saying is, what is it, Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Well, the Republican establishment fooled its voters once in 2010. It fooled its voters twice in 2014. And I don't think they're in a mood to be fooled again thrice.

It's a two-party system, which is unusual in the modern Western world, and one of those parties is ineffective, has been ineffective for the entire 21st century at providing a coherent opposition to the other party.

HANNITY: You know, it's very interesting...

STEYN: And Trump is saying -- Trump is saying, We're tired of being told reasons why you can't do things. His immigration plan -- people keep coming up with this thing, Sean, Oh, no, it would require constitutional amendments, it's pie in the sky, it can't be done, nothing can be done, nothing can ever be done.

It doesn't require constitutional amendments to end birthright citizenship. Deena Gilby's (ph) husband, a British subject, died on 9/11 rescuing Americans from the World Trade Center. He escaped, but he went back in to try and rescue his colleagues. A week later, the immigration service of the United States, the heartless thugs, sent Deena Gilby a letter saying she and her kids were out of there. So they have no difficulty deporting birthright citizens when they're British subjects of guys who died in the World Trade Center.

The idea that it requires a constitutional amendment is complete codswallop from beginning to end! And people are tired of being told why nothing can be done, Sean.

HANNITY: Really well said. And it's funny because I had Jorge Ramos on the program last night, and he said, Oh, it's impossible to build a wall. It's impossible to deport people that came into this country illegally and didn't respect our laws and sovereignty.

Conventional wisdom politically on the issue of deportation of illegal immigrants has been that if you ask people to leave, which happens to be Mexico's policy, that it's political suicide. What's your answer to that?

STEYN: Well, again, to go back to 9/11, a couple of days after that, the INS started cracking down on various Pakistanis in the New York area who they thought had connections to terrorism.

One result of that was that thousands of Pakistanis drove straight up I-87 to the Quebec border, and there was a big line of Pakistanis to try to get into Canada because in effect, the INS had tried to get hold of a couple of dozen, and everybody else had stampeded out of there.

The United States government devotes vast resources to cracking down on Americans' ability to maneuver around the world. It's increasingly difficult for an American to open up a bank account in Paris or Hong Kong or Montreal or anywhere. Yet at the same time, as they say that they can crack down on American citizens operating outside the country, they say it would be completely impossible to crack down on non-Americans operating within the country.

HANNITY: Yes. The Democrats have...

STEYN: And people get this nonsense. People understand it.

HANNITY: We have Rudy on talking about Hillary's e-mail scandal coming up next. She's got her own problems. From what I can see, is people are encouraging Joe Biden, John Kerry, Al Gore, Elizabeth Warren and even Comrade de Blasio, the mayor of New York, to get into this race.

I've got to expect that one of them's going to get in. On top of that, she's got real significant legal issues. She may not be their candidate. Newt Gingrich doesn't think she makes it.

STEYN: Right. No, I don't think she'll be the candidate, either, Sean. I think that is -- that is the way to bet. And again, I think the great service Trump has done is to blast us free of the sort of pap of looking at it in political spheres, the idea that somehow, Trump is a non- serious candidate, but the serious substantial candidate is Hillary Clinton, who as chief foreign affairs official of the United States, kept the confidential business of the United States on a server in some guy's apartment in his...


STEYN: ... bathroom in the apartment. And that...


HANNITY: You can't make it up!

STEYN: ... serious people do. The sooner they hand this country over to the buffoons, the better. And that's why Trump -- that's why Trump is surging. You can't have a two-party state where one party is a liberal party and the other party is basically the Chamber of Commerce's poodle...

HANNITY: Well said.

STEYN: ... because if all you do is exchange George III for the Chamber of Commerce, then the revolution was a complete waste of time, Sean.

STEYN: You are on your game tonight, Mr. Steyn. Good to see you.  Thanks for being with us.

STEYN: Always good to see you, Sean.

HANNITY: All Right, coming up, Hillary Clinton's e-mail scandal is not going away anytime soon. He mentioned the server in the bathroom.  Well, we're going to speak with a cyber security expert and former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani -- he used to be a prosecutor.

Also later on, more on Trump's immigration plan. Why he says illegal immigrants are hurting the black community. That and more tonight as "Hannity" continues.



HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So Hillary Clinton Nixon continues to deny that she did anything wrong in this growing private server scandal. Now, the Democratic front-runner -- she got very testy with our very own Ed Henry when he asked her about the scandal earlier today. Take a look.



ED HENRY, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: But the facts also are that two inspectors general say that there are hundreds, they believe...

CLINTON: But Ed, you're not listening to me. If it were -- Ed, if it were...


CLINTON: Well, if it were a government account, they would be saying the same thing. The fact...


CLINTON: No, no, no. Well, look, this...


CLINTON: This is a -- well, first of all, that is not in any way agreed upon. State Department disagrees. That happens all the time in these efforts to say what can go out and what can't go out.


HANNITY: Wow! Here with reaction, Ed Henry. Looks like you got her rattled. Did anyone ask about the server inside the bathroom of this mom and pop company...

HENRY: Right.

HANNITY: ... in the process?

HENRY: I didn't even get to that. I was able to ask four or five questions. I sort of ran out of time because she was wrapping up the news conference, extraordinary news conference.

What you're referring to is this company in Colorado that was handling her personal account, not her server, but they had their own servers in a bathroom closet, according to The Daily Mail. So the e-mails would have been running through her server and then through this company's servers that was sort of managing her account.

That's odd because, obviously, for the secretary of state for the United States to have their e-mail being routed through servers in Colorado that are in a bathroom closet, it makes you wonder about the security.

Look, here's the bottom line. What sparked that exchange with her is that in a question before me, she said, This is not about me, it's about the process, and said there's nothing new here, basically. This is just intelligence agencies fighting over what's classified and what's not.

And I said, No, actually, what's new here, what's also facts are that it appears that you leaked classified information, that -- you know, that these two inspectors general are saying there's hundreds of e-mails with classified information that got out there, even though in March, Secretary Clinton said there was no classified information in the server.

You heard her push back. She said, You're not listening to me. If you don't agree with what she's saying on this, she feels like you're attacking her, you're not listening to her. But what I was trying to press on is that now when you have Eugene Robinson in The Washington Post today, a very liberal columnist, saying he thinks that she's stonewalled, number one, and that number two, she should apologize to the American people and say she made mistakes -- that suggests this is not just Trey Gowdy and Republicans on the Hill beating her up, Sean.

HANNITY: And she deleted 33,000 e-mails, then she wipes the server clean, which people don't usually do. Then the server, we find out, is in the bathroom. The inspector generals only looked at a small sample of 40, and they found four that they thought -- well, two were top secret, but four were classified. Now we're up to the potential of 305. She's got problems here.

HENRY: Right.

HANNITY: This is going to be -- this -- this is not going away.



HENRY: I think you're right. At the very least, it's a political problem. Obviously, could become a legal problem because she's been dismissing the idea of a criminal investigation. But when the FBI is digging in and getting the server, obviously, this could lead to any number of things.

Here's the bottom line. I also pressed her on a report from NBC News tonight that the FBI in private believes that they can restore some of the data from the Clinton personal server, but that the FBI also believes that at some point, somebody tried to wipe the entire server.

What does that mean? That they tried to wipe it of all e-mail...


HENRY: ... not just the personal e-mails she said in March that she deleted, but also official e-mails. I pressed her on that. Yes or no, did you try to wipe the server? She moved to other subjects and would not directly answer that.

HANNITY: And Fox has confirmed, in fact, that the FBI's confident they'll be able to retrieve a lot of those e-mails.

Thank you, Ed. Appreciate it. Great job today.

Here now with reaction is cyber security analyst, senior fellow for the Center of Digital Government is Morgan Wright.

Now, you've worked for the government on the issue of cyber security, right, Department of Defense, Homeland Security, correct?

MORGAN WRIGHT, CYBER SECURITY ANALYST: Right. I've done a lot of work in former positions with Cisco and other technology companies helping build out some of these networks.

HANNITY: All right, I really have one big question for you, and it's really simple. Based on what we know, a server in the bathroom, John Kerry last week saying that he believes the Russians and Chinese are reading his e-mails, what are the odds that, in fact, the Russians, the Chinese, maybe the Iranians, other governments have these e-mails because wouldn't that put her in a compromised position?

WRIGHT: If this was Vegas, I wouldn't take any -- I wouldn't even lay a bet on this because the house would lose on this one, Sean. If you take John Kerry's statement that he fully expects his e-mails were read, then you can fully expect many world leaders' e-mails were read. If that's the case, any e-mail Hillary Clinton sent using her private server, if I was an intelligence agency and saw that, I would have tasked people. I would have compromised that server from day one. There's a high probability that for four years, the server was compromised and being read by foreign intelligence agencies, without a doubt.

HANNITY: Is it -- last question. Is it true that you think pretty much every e-mail is not secure? Is that the understanding that we have to have? Is that the reason for the laws she was supposed to follow?

WRIGHT: Yes, you know, people will gripe about the state Department.  One of my security clearances came from the State Department, the state of the e-mail and the security -- I get it. Spend more money on it. You don't get to make the rules, though. You have to follow them.

So what you have to do is be very careful about where you put classified information. If it's top secret, keep it in the secure compartmentalized information facility, things they call the SCIF (ph). If it's a lower classification, treat it appropriately. Whether it's marked or not, when you see code words, when you see material in there that is classified, you have a duty and an obligation to report it and make sure it's handled properly. Simply saying, I didn't see it marked as classified does not work.

HANNITY: Wow. Morgan, thank you so much.

Joining us now with more reaction, former New York City mayor and former prosecutor Rudy Giuliani. Mr. Mayor, we put up on the screen last night...

RUDY GIULIANI, FMR. NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: I saw it, and I heard your interview with my close personal friend Judge Mukasey. He and I prosecuted a congressman many years ago, Congressman Podelle (ph), on a conflict of interest charge, and he broke down on the witness stand and he confessed. It was a $42,000 bribe, and he also confessed to conflict of interest -- $42,000.

We have millions of dollars involved here. She should have been under investigation two months ago if the Justice Department was acting honorably and apolitically. The minute she announced that she destroyed anything, personal or government records -- the minute she said that, everything should have been subpoenaed on day one.

She got a political break that nobody else would get. General Petraeus committed a nothing compared to...

HANNITY: (INAUDIBLE) calendar (ph).

GIULIANI: ... what she has done.


GIULIANI: Whether this Justice Department can do it or not, or this administration can do it or not, this woman needs a criminal lawyer. If there's any doubt, there are at least half dozen statutes where the facts suggest that she violated the law.

Now, they have to be proven to be true. The conflict of interest law is very, very simple. It's 18 USC section 208. And it says if you act in any manner in which you or your spouse has a financial interest, you're guilty. You go to jail for two years, and you can't hold a federal office the rest of your life.

On one hand, the president was getting millions of dollars in speaking fees, the foundation were getting millions of dollars in money, and she was taking action, unusual actions on behalf of those entities, including UBS.  That's only one of 10.

Destruction of any record in contemplation of an investigation...

HANNITY: Is a crime.

GIULIANI: ... is obstruction of justice, 18 USC Section 1519. Now, she voted for the change in that statute that says in contemplation of any investigation. When these records were being destroyed, there wasn't a contemplation of investigation, there were eight House investigations going on. And how she can separate personal from government...

HANNITY: She made the decision.

GIULIANI: Well, the minute you start using that phone as a government phone, I'm sorry, it's government property. Destruction of government property is a separate federal crime.

HANNITY: She actually sent out to her very own department that the State Department requires employees to preserve records, et cetera, et cetera, and you know, when she was secretary of state, she put out a cable with her name on it, Do not -- avoid conducting official department business from your personal e-mail account. And she said she was writing her husband! Her husband doesn't have an e-mail account!

GIULIANI: Yes, let's look at it this way. Somebody works for a company, all right? They've got the company computer. They use it for company records and they use it for personal records.

The company can look at all the records because it belongs to the company. The minute she started to use that phone as a government instrumentality, it belongs to the United States of America. It belongs to us, not to her.

The destruction of that in and of itself is a -- is a crime. And no one has gotten into the foundation yet. And looking at the connections between what -- the money he was getting and what she was doing...

HANNITY: Amazing.

GIULIANI: Now, maybe she destroyed those 33,000 e-mails because they contained those connections!

HANNITY: Last question. And I've got 44 U.S. Code 3101, 18 US Code 1924, 2071, 18 USC. Here's my last question. John Kerry says the Russians are reading his e-mails and the Chinese are reading his. If this is a server in a bathroom of a mom and pop shop, I've got to believe the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, Israelis, friends, enemies -- that everybody has them!

Now, she's running for president. Say she won. Could you imagine Vladimir comes to the White House, dumps all the e-mails on her desk that would prove her guilt that she, in fact, did have classified information on there?

GIULIANI: Yes, and maybe could lead to the impeachment of an American president...


GIULIANI: ... after she gets elected. The reality is, you have to count on the fact that several foreign governments have all of this.


GIULIANI: They -- she's one of the top officials in the government, and one of the most interesting people in the United States. They have this information. And if there is a single e-mail that connects her to any of that money that Bill Clinton...


GIULIANI: ... it goes from conflict of interest to bribery, which is a 15-year...

HANNITY: And obstruction of justice, right?

GIULIANI: ... statute. And when she destroyed -- when she destroyed the personal e-mails...


GIULIANI: ... there were plenty of reasons for her to do it, to obstruct the Benghazi investigation, to obstruct the investigation of her leaking of her -- of mishandling of classified information, to obstruct a possible bribery investigation.

This woman should be the subject of a criminal investigation. She should be in front of a Beijing. These questions shouldn't be asked by Ed Henry, who she can just cut off. They should be asked by a federal prosecutor where an answer is demanded.

And believe me, I've done many public corruption cases, and the worst witnesses are politicians.


GIULIANI: They get to lie for a lot of their lives. And once they get on the witness stand...

HANNITY: They can't.

GIULIANI: ... all that obfuscation kills them in front of a jury.

HANNITY: This kill her campaign? Is she done?

GIULIANI: I don't see how she survives this. This has to be investigated. The Justice Department will lose all integrity if it doesn't put her under a full and complete investigation. She has committed crimes, allegedly, possibly, that are far worse than things we've put other people in jail for, not jail, rather, convicted, like General Petraeus.

HANNITY: All right. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Appreciate it.

Donald Trump says illegal immigration -- that crisis in the country is hurting the black community and minority communities in America. What does he mean by that? That's coming up next.

And then later tonight, the political impact over the server scandal, what it's having on the Clinton campaign. We'll check in with Frank Luntz.  He has bad news on his dials for Hillary Clinton, straight ahead.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." A lot is being said about Donald Trump's plan to fix the illegal immigration crisis in the country. Now, in his detailed proposal, Trump explains how the black community has been impacted.

He wrote, in part, quote, "U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up hundreds of billions in health care costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare costs. Indeed, the annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011. The effects on job seekers have also been disastrous, and black Americans have been particularly harmed."

Joining me now with reaction, CRN/KLRA radio host, our friend Larry Elder, another friend of ours, Deneen Borelli, FOX news contributor.

93 million Americans, Deneen, out of the labor force. But if you look at the numbers, when you increase by 11 million, 14 million, whatever the number has to be -- 93 million Americans out of the labor force, 50 million in poverty, 46 million on food stamps -- all of those people, I assume, want jobs.


HANNITY: So now, all these immigrants coming into the country, they are competing for jobs that Americans otherwise would get and driving down wages, and it has disproportionately impacted the black community in America. Never talked about.

BORELLI: Sure. No, you're absolutely right. And Trump's plan would help black Americans. Unemployment is 9.1 percent among black Americans, it's double that among white. And so when you look at this wave of illegal immigrants who would be coming into the country, that -- they are competing for the same low-skill jobs.

HANNITY: And that's driving down wages.

BORELLI: And it's driving down wages.

HANNITY: And driving down opportunity.

BORELLI: Absolutely.

HANNITY: Larry, when you've got 50 percent of black teenagers, I know what my teenage years were like. But particularly in the black community, 50 percent can't get a summer job. When I didn't have a summer job, that meant I was hanging out on the street corner with my buddies, and that wasn't good. So all those opportunities being taken away, nobody talks about it.

LARRY ELDER, RADIO HOST: Absolutely. And Sean, you're talking to the son of a man who cleaned toilets for a living, my dad. Yet the Open Borders people will tell you that illegal aliens are doing jobs that Americans won't do. Coretta Scott King wrote a letter about 25 years ago to Congress and urged them not to lighten up sanctions against employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens because they threaten jobs for black people. And there's an economist names George Borjas at Harvard, probably the leading expert on the impact of immigration legal and illegal on jobs.  He says that illegal immigration threatens jobs and raises for black men.  And Donald Trump's the only one talking about it. To a lesser extent, Dr. Ben Carson is. That is why Trump is making inroads and may even crack that 95 percent monolithic Democratic black vote.

HANNITY: You know, he talks about building the walls as part of his plan. Then he's saying if you're here illegally, you've got to go home.  If, in fact, that happened, let's assume for a second it does. Does that open up job opportunities for every American that's out of work right now?

ELDER: I think it does. And the idea that it's not possible -- at one time, it was unthinkable that slaves would be free. At one time it was unthinkable that women would get the right to vote. It is not unthinkable to have people who are here illegally leave and then reapply to come back in. It's an argument that Thomas Sowell has been making for years and people don't think he's crazy.

HANNITY: He's certainly not crazy, there's no doubt about it. Pretty bright man. Your reaction to that?

BORELLI: No, he's a great guy, and so is Walter Williams. Listen, when it comes to this, even the Civil Rights Commission sent a letter to the Congressional Black Caucus chair informing them of the severity of the influx of illegal immigrants coming into the country having a harmful effect on low-paying jobs which disproportionately go to black Americans, and that has fallen on deaf ears.

   And so there are many, many things that are happening in our country that are harming all Americans, but especially those in the black community because unemployment is so high and average incomes are down.

HANNITY: So the impact, we're paying billions on our criminal justice system that houses illegal immigrants. We're paying billions when it comes to our educational system. And public schools now are overburdened with students, a lot of illegal immigrants. It's put a lot of pressure on the system. Health care costs similarly. If people don't have insurance, they get taken care of in hospitals, we're paying that, the $4.2 billion that he's talking about with the federal tax credits alone.

   So then the question, why aren't the American people up in arms about this? And why when I debate Jorge Ramos, he says it's not possible.  It's impossible to build a wall. It's impossible ask people to leave.  Mexico kicks everybody out that enters their country illegally.

BORELLI: No, I think people are angry. Look at the grassroots individuals who are supporting, who are behind Donald Trump and what he's bringing to the table. They are frustrated and angry, Sean, because they've worked hard to get the GOP Congress people in the Senate and the House. They have done nothing to stop Obama and his runaway agenda, whether it's energy, whether it's high unemployment numbers that are happening, rampant in the black community. These individuals, Donald Trump has tapped into these individuals, and that's why he's ahead in the polls.

HANNITY: And Larry, you think that if Donald Trump's elected he can go into the black community and lay out the argument that my immigration proposal is going to help the black community, help the Hispanic community, help minorities in America, help the 57 million American women out of the labor force? Will that resonate?

ELDER: I really think so, Sean. There's an organization called the federation for Americans for Immigration Reform. In California alone they estimate that illegal immigration costs taxpayers $25 billion a year -- a year, half of which goes to the education of children whose parents are here illegally. There's no question that if we crack down on illegal immigration, it will improve the prospects, employment prospects, and make the schools even better for inner city people, absolutely.

HANNITY: All right, guys, good to see you both, appreciate you being here.

And coming up, a numerous number of scandals now swirling around Hillary Clinton's campaign are not sitting well with you, the American people. Pollster Frank Luntz, well, he has the dials to prove it. He'll talk about Hillary next.

   And then also tonight, actor Kevin Sorbo, he talks to us about his brand new film, also about Hollywood. They better wake up. Why? Because faith-based movies, well, seems to be what Americans now are looking for.         


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." It appears the American voters, that's you, are finally getting fed up with all the scandals surrounding 2016 Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. And pollster Frank Luntz recently dialed some anti-Clinton campaign ads. The results are very revealing. Joining us now with more, the man himself, Frank Luntz. All right, let's start with her joking about Snapchat, considering most people now think that she should be investigated here, 58 percent. Let's go to the tape.


HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: You may have seen that I recently launched a Snapchat account.


CLINTON: I love it. I love it. Those messages disappear all by themselves.




HANNITY: It's not even funny. She's the most unlikable politician I've ever seen. Is that going to go over well?

FRANK LUNTZ, POLLSTER: Yes. No, it doesn't go over well. Her unfavorables are going up, and they're going up among the people who she cares about most. They're going up among women, particularly younger women. They're going up among liberals, particularly younger liberals.

HANNITY: You mean the negatives?

LUNTZ: There's a reason why Bernie Sanders -- the negatives. The negatives are going up. There's a reason why is drawing 15,000, 20,000 people. It's not just pro Bernie Sanders. It's also anti-Hillary Clinton.

HANNITY: All right, there are two ads, anti-Hillary ads that you dialed. Let's go to the first one because these numbers are staggering, meaning, that they're working. This is a bull's eye hit in both cases.  Let's go to the first one.


   UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our allies don't trust us, our enemies don't fear us.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The death of an American ambassador --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Three members of a U.S. security team on the ground in Benghazi --

CLINTON: What difference at this point does it make?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Senate intelligence committee review found the attack was preventable. The report blamed the State Department for not increasing security in Benghazi.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Secretary of state Hillary Clinton wanted to reset relations are Russia and --


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How's that working out?

   UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not really working out well.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Russian military now being directly involved in fighting Ukrainian government forces.

CLINTON: Many of the members of Congress of both parties who have gone to Syria have said they believe he's a reformer.


   HANNITY: Those are high numbers in terms of people thinking that's an effective ad.

LUNTZ: Sean, you look at the Democratic number, the green number, because that's the one who you would expect to support her. When she says, and yells, "What difference does it make?" the spike in there is significant. And the public sees that and hear her voice and watch her say it. It frustrates them. When she says that she wanted to reset the relationship with Putin, they say, no, you have failed. What that ad shows is that the more you see her and the more you hear from her, the angrier you get.

HANNITY: Wow. Now, it's funny because she said that she landed under sniper fire in Bosnia. And, of course, we had pictures of her getting off the plane and getting flowers from a little girl and that incident never happened. That's part of the next ad you dialed. Let's roll that.


   CLINTON: I remember landing under sniper fire. There was no greeting ceremony. And we basically were told to run to our cars. Now, that is what happened.

There was no sniper fire.

I misspoke. It was totally, I totally misspoke.

But we came out of the White House not only dead broke but in debt.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Looking at the book advance she had, she's leaving the White House $8 million plus.

CLINTON: You know what, rich people, God bless us.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Quinnipiac University found Hillary Clinton's lead is dwindling against Republican candidates.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A new poll out this morning shows former secretary of state Hillary Clinton losing ground.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Losing ground in key states, including Iowa.


   HANNITY: That's why she erased the server and got rid of 33,000 e- mails.         Here's what I thought of. Remember when this whole e-mail server issue came up. The first thing she said is I wanted the convenience of only one device. And then she revealed she has three devices she carries, including an iPad, et cetera. Then she said, well, I would e-mail back and forth with my husband. Her husband doesn't e-mail. So she lies with regularity. The sniper fire incident is another one. I've got to imagine that contributes to 58 percent of Americans not finding her honest and trustworthy. Can you win with those numbers?

LUNTZ: It's -- in this election, I think all the rules are out. Even the replacement rules are out. But there's a word, Sean, that matters here, and that's "integrity." The American people, whether you are Democratic or Republican, you want someone who has integrity. And she has demonstrated again and again through her own words and her own actions that there's a question there. And that is going to be her greatest weakness.  It's a reason why she's not doing as well as everyone expected on the Democratic side. And now you have Republicans that are actually leading her in the general election.

HANNITY: All right, Frank Luntz, interesting stuff, we appreciate it.

Now, is it time to wake-up call for Hollywood? They always make movies gratuitous in terms of violence and sex. What about the rise of all of these faith-based films that are now big hits? We're going to talk about this growing trend with actor Kevin Sorbo and why Hollywood is reluctant to do movies that apparently people want to see, straight ahead.  



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have a beautiful wife, beautiful kids. I want that. I will probably never have a child of my own. I want what you have.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thou shalt not covet. You just broke a commandment.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think you know what I mean.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm sorry for throwing all this on you, Frank.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Put your big boy pants on and man up. Be a father. Be a husband. A family, Jake, it's the greatest gift of all.


HANNITY: That was a clip from the brand new movie "Gallows Road."  The movie highlights the power of God's love and protection in tough times.  Now I recently sat down with the one and only star of the movie, Kevin Sorbo, to discuss his role and why faith-based films, they are resonating with the American people and yet they ignored by Hollywood. Take a look.


HANNITY: How are you? Good to see you.

KEVIN SORBO, ACTOR: Very good. Good to be seen.

HANNITY: I love the work you're doing. You got this new movie, "Gallows Road." "God Forgives. Will you." I watched probably seven times, and I couldn't remember the name, you probably don't believe me, "God's Not Dead". It is such a great movie. You're arguing with this kid. You're an atheist, mean-spirited, hateful --

SORBO: Philosophy teacher, exactly. We have a few of them in the country right now. And I torment this kid in my class for believing in God.

HANNITY: You were horrible to this kid.

SORBO: Yes. My mom even called me. And she goes you're my son and I love, but I hated you in that film.

HANNITY: Yes, but that makes you a great actor, because you're not really like that in real life and you're able to put it off.

SORBO: No, it was interesting.

HANNITY: It became the number one independent movie in Hollywood last year.

SORBO: And number one dollar for dollar, $2 million budget. It's made close to $140 million worldwide counting DVD sales.

HANNITY: This is amazing to me. I'm friends with like the "Duck Dynasty" guys. I love those guys.

SORBO: They were in the movie.

HANNITY: Yes, exactly. They were in the movie. And so I love -- faith-based movies are doing well. They're very interesting. The movies I want to sit around and have my kids watch. I made my son and daughter watch it. I didn't have to make them. They liked it. And yet Hollywood still goes to the gratuitous violence, sex, and everything else.

SORBO: Look what they do with "Noah" and "Exodus." "Noah," my wife called it "Transformer's" meets "Waterworld."

   HANNITY: But these movies are great. I haven't had a chance to watch this yet.      SORBO: It just came out. You can go to Gallowsroadmovie.com.

HANNITY: I've been reading about it. This is about basically a guy who was a victim of racism. Explain the story.

SORBO: Yes. His family is -- is killed by racists.

HANNITY: You're not the racist?

   SORBO: I'm not the racist, no.        

HANNITY: You wouldn't want to play that, would you?

SORBO: It depends on the script, I think. As long as there's something, maybe a redeeming quality down the road. And this is all about forgiveness. What does he do? Of course he wants to, you know, attack and go back after these people. He knows who they are. He's got people around him telling him that is not the right road to go down. The Gallows Road is really a metaphor for what road are you going down? We all go down the wrong road eventually and something you have you to find your way back.

HANNITY: Why do you think based on the success of all these movies and "Duck Dynasty" and "Touched by an Angel" years ago -- I know Roma Downey real well.

SORBO: She was on the first episode of "Hercules."

   HANNITY: Yes. I know. So I notice everything you guys touch turns into a success but Hollywood still gravitates towards the other.

SORBO: I think they're slowly starting to get it, but it's kind of interesting that you get between New York and Hollywood, as you know, they call it the flyover states. Well, those flyover states have millions and millions of people. They're looking for more moral movies. There's got to be a moral compass in there, something their kids can watch, something their family can watch. And I think they're slowly starting to get it because it's called show business. So you'd think they'd do more, but this is yet another independent movie that was done well. It's a wonderful movie, and I hope people get a chance --

HANNITY: I can't wait to see it. I've enjoyed every one of these movies that you've done.

SORBO: You've got to see "What If." You said you saw "God's Not Dead." Watch "What If." It's the same company. It's on Netflix and it's on DVD right now.

   HANNITY: Why didn't you give it to me?        

SORBO: I will send it to you. It came out four years ago.

HANNITY: You have my private and you don't even tell me.

   SORBO: I'm telling you all my faith-based movies right now. I will send it to you.     

HANNITY: It's on Netflix, I'll watch it tonight.

SORBO: It's a wonderful film. Your family will love it. But watch "Gallows Road" and go to GallowsRoadmovie.com

HANNITY: All right, good to see you.

SORBO: Thank you so much, appreciate your time.


HANNITY: When we come back, we need your help. Why? Our "Question of the Day" is straight ahead.        


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