Hillary Clinton's email controversy and the 'war on women'

She's using females to hide the emails


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 18, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Ola, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Jesse Watters and a glass of Alka-Seltzer is her jacuzzi,  Dana Perino. El Cinco.

She's using females to hide the e-mails. As a classified e-mail count explodes and Hillary's poll numbers shrivel like a nude beach during a cold snap, all that's left is the sexist card. Witness a new pro-Hillary mailing that states -- quote -- "All 26 Republican candidates have pledged to block access to health care, oppose equal pay for women and have worked to restrict access to the ballot box." Now that's about as false as Hillary's laugh.




GUTFELD: I love that. But when in crisis, the war on women is Hillary's one-hit wonder. It's ice, ice baby, what this Vanilla Ice of candidates must play at fairgrounds so they'll remember her. The problem is it's old, it's a lie and it exposes the truth about Hillary's own war on women. Remember: Women working for Hillary made 16 grand less per year than men from 2002 to 2008. Her defending women are like termites defending wood.

But now she'll conflate the horror over baby harvesting with a war on women: a lie, but if fetuses can't vote, who cares? And now she says the e-mail scandal is all politics. This from a Clinton, a creature so political she sneezes Saul Alinsky. She claims she didn't know e-mails were classified, but come on, if you didn't know the gun was loaded, why did you wipe it clean and throw it in the river?

Exchanging national security for personal secrecy is not just calculated deception, but an entitled, lawless arrogance. And now, get this, we find that Hillary's e-mail firm was run from an apartment with its servers in the bathroom. It all makes sense. Her campaign is literally in the toilet.

All right, Jesse, as always a pleasure to see you in that fine suit and blue tie.

JESSE WATTERS, GUEST CO-HOST: Thank you very much.

GUTFELD: You think the war on women will work? Or will the electorate finally see through this?

WATTERS: Well, I'm very excited to have possibly a female president. I think Carly Fiorina would do a great job. And if there's a war on women, I don't want to win. You know, if you think that men are dominating American society, well, you guys go at it.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I saw you say that last night.

WATTERS: We'll kick back and we'll stay at home.

PERINO: I saw you say that last night on Watters World.

WATTERS: We'll stay at home, OK?

PERINO: And you said we're kind of exhausted.

WATTERS: Yeah, we're tired. I mean, we haven't gone great. But listen, you can twist this around pretty easily and you've did that well. Hillary's had a war on women herself. Look at all of Bill's mistresses, they've been smeared relentlessly. She took millions of dollars from Arab countries that treat women as sex slaves to the Clinton foundation. When she was a senator, she paid women less than men. And I would say, you know, I don't really care about the war on women. I'd care about Planned Parenthood's war on babies. So I think it's easily dismissible.

GUTFELD: It is, Kimberly. I think she's desperate. This is the -- that last arrow in her quill. Is that the phrase?

PERINO: Quiver.


GUTFELD: Quiver? The last quiver -- don't listen to me. Listen to Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, please exactly.


GUILFOYLE: She's running out of time. I mean, this is becoming bitter (ph) like a Saturday Night Live. Like, well, oh the server, where was it? It's in the bathroom.


GUILFOYLE: Or like, the drug dealers go to like flush the goods when the cops are doing the raids. You can't even make this stuff up.


GUILFOYLE: I mean, right? I think women deserve a better representative than Hillary Clinton, and that's what I'm saying out there. Why do you want to check the gender box, unless it's of exceptional quality and integrity? Choose better.

GUTFELD: You know, Juan, I don't know what you can do with this point. When the server is in the toilet, that's usually.


GUTFELD: That's usually Clinton's problem.


WATTERS: Oh, wow.

GUTFELD: Not the wife.


GUTFELD: What you gonna do? What would you tell her to do? Should she apologize or just deny, deny, deny?


JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: No, no, no. I think it would be smart if she somehow addressed this in a convincing manner. The problem is, I mean for Hillary Clinton, once you get the FBI involved, it enters into a realm where the public is like huh, this is serious business, this not some.


WILLIAMS: Right-wing conspiracy. Plus, I think lots of people have always felt that her behavior was entitled and arrogant as you said. So that's not good, but I will say this. The danger for republicans is what I'm hearing at this table which is overreach. When you hear people like Michael Mukasey, the former attorney general say, oh, three felonies or other people calling for criminal investigation. You know what? We don't know yet. I mean, you know, slow down, guys. It's not time yet. Hold on because you're making yourself look like you're politicizing it when Hillary's created her own problems. Let her suffer.

GUTFELD: Maybe that's a good point, Dana. Let this thing draw out instead of getting really aggressive up front.

PERINO: Every day for the last two weeks, there's been a new development. And today, we find out that Platte River Networks, which is in Denver, but they had the servers in the toilet in New Jersey, there's just a -- I think it's actually good.


PERINO: To have this just little bit more information. If I were her team I'd say, how do we wipe this issue clean?


PERINO: How do we get.

GUILFOYLE: You can't. And a double flush isn't going to do it.


GUTFELD: The wiping of the server in the toilet is all getting very grim.

PERINO: It's very clogged.

GUTFELD: It's - yes.


GUTFELD: Less fiber.

Here's David Ignatius on Morning Joe. Talking about what the Intel officials -- what they think about this.


DAVID IGNATIUS, JOURNALIST: You have to remember, we just had a CIA director, David Petraeus, one of the most decorated generals in our modern history who had to plead guilty to a criminal charge, involving this question of unauthorized use of classified information. It's not a trivial issue.

I think what's always made people in the national security community nervous about the Clintons that they seem to play by different rules. And I think it's that sense of disrespect for the system that's animating a lot of the anger now.


GUTFELD: But that was stimulating, Jesse.


GUTFELD: But what he's saying it's like, she's treating this as a trivial matter that other people treated very seriously.

WATTERS: She might have to start shopping for pant suits with prison stripes, pretty soon. I think the only people ready for Hillary are federal investigators. Look what happened, Petraeus, OK? He had classified information at home and he gave it to his American biographer. Hillary.

PERINO: Who is also had a clearance.

WATTERS: Yes. Hillary had classified information, also at home, and she gave it to Russian hackers and Chinese hackers, most likely. I think that's worse. And it goes to a point that she doesn't.

GUILFOYLE: Do you think?

WATTERS: She doesn't care about e-mail security. She doesn't care about embassy security. She doesn't care about border security. And we're supposed to trust her.


WATTERS: With the codes to the nuclear football.


WATTERS: And what is she going to leave anytime ladies room?


WATTERS: I mean, seriously?

GUTFELD: It's a residential apartment in Colorado. This is the secretary of state, Kimberly. This -- I know that Juan thinks I'm overreaching, but she should go to jail.

GUILFOYLE: Well, it's awful. And to believe me, if it was someone else of a different political party or persuasion, trust me, they'd be in cuffs already. I'm not kidding you. This is to me unbelievable. People can still just say we're just going to vote for her, let her make Snapchat jokes when national security is at stake. She's she is not running for class president, its president of the United States. So choose wisely.

PERINO: And she wants to be commander-in-chief.


PERINO: And I think what David Ignatius is getting at, it's not just the intelligence community. But on your show on Sunday night, when you were talking with -- about that marine, and I don't have all the details, but basically, he sent an e-mail that had classified information to warn other people in order to protect them and their safety. She was actually trying to protect herself.


PERINO: He is actually at risk of losing his entire career. She's about to be dominated as the democratic nominee for president of the United States of America.


PERINO: You want to be commander-in-chief, and you want to have the respect of the troops? I think that what Juan was saying is that can she answer this in some convincing way, would be better than making Snapchat jokes, but she's already made the Snapchat jokes.


PERINO: How do you take that back?


WILLIAMS: You know the problem with David Ignatius said is look, she's very different than David Petraeus. And Petraeus is a wonderful guy.


WILLIAMS: But Petraeus is basically gave.

PERINO: Wait, why? Why?

WILLIAMS: Petraeus gave this to his lover, biographer in a very self- serving manner and put American.


WILLIAMS: Classified information at risk. Hillary Clinton didn't give it to anybody. She wasn't doing anything. The problem with Hillary Clinton.

GUTFELD: It was for her.

PERINO: What do you mean?


WATTERS: Protect private server at her house, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Let me finish. She had a private server. That's the mistake she made. And it was a mistake of feeling entitled and arrogant, which is what it was.

PERINO: She took -- and one of the reports there.

WILLIAMS: That's not a crime.

PERINO: Is satellite imaging that goes from a classified server, copied somehow, gets onto her unclassified server. That is absolutely a problem. But guess what else? Layered beneath those images is how we get the images. How we design them. All that metadata stuff, you basically have to rework how you do satellite imaging because that is now compromised.

WATTERS: Why do you think the Russians and Chinese are running circles around us? Because they probably already know everything that was in Hillary's server.

WILLIAMS: Oh, well Donald Trump, let me just tell you.


WILLIAMS: You know what?

PERINO: Are you going to take that, Jesse?

WILLIAMS: You know what?

WATTERS: Listen, I consider it a compliment, Dana.

WILLIAMS: The current -- that's right. He does consider it a compliment.


GUILFOYLE: He's like say it again, Juan. One more time.

WILLIAMS: Oh, oh, Donald you.

GUILFOYLE: Say it slowly.



WILLIAMS: But anyway, I'm just going to say that Secretary Kerry says he thinks, oh you know, the Chinese, the Russians, they read its e-mails as it is now. And it is not the people are downplaying, it's just hey, wait a second, put anytime context.


WILLIAMS: Admiral Kirby said yesterday, this is about, you know classified, doesn't mean it's like top secret going to blow the lid off.

PERINO: It doesn't matter.


PERINO: It doesn't matter. Only the president.

WILLIAMS: And 5 percent.

PERINO: The president decides what's classified.

WILLIAMS: About 5 percent of all -- with thousands of e-mails.

PERINO: I will grant you that the government over classified a lot of information.

WILLIAMS: Absolutely.

PERINO: That doesn't allow you, however.


PERINO: The right to skirt the law.


PERINO: And say it doesn't pertain to you.

WILLIAMS: That's what I said.

PERINO: And I guarantee you.

WILLIAMS: I agree with you on that.

PERINO: That if Dick Cheney was at the center of this scandal, then the media would be in a total meltdown.

GUTFELD: That's a.

GUILFOYLE: There would have been a public execution already. I mean, honestly.

PERINO: Absolutely.

GUILFOYLE: It's a total double standard. And you can't abide by.

WILLIAMS: How is it a double standard?

GUILFOYLE: Because the point is she gets a pass for things that when acts that are committed that are illegal, reckless disregard for national security.

WILLIAMS: There's nothing illegal. When you have something illegal.


WILLIAMS: Come to me. But you have nothing illegal.


WATTERS: We don't know if it's illegal, Juan.

WILLIAMS: That is right.

WATTERS: That is she destroyed the evidence.

WILLIAMS: Oh, yeah. Here we go.

GUTFELD: It's a good point -- no.

WATTERS: What do you mean? She wiped the whole thing clean.


GUTFELD: She scrubbed the gun.

WILLIAMS: Apparently.

WATTERS: And then, Juan.

WILLIAMS: The server people say, oh, we may have backups.

GUILFOYLE: And that's called consciousness of guilt.

WATTERS: And Juan -- and you know what they did.

GUILFOYLE: That's an actual jury instruction.

WATTERS: Remember Sandy Berger.

GUILFOYLE: You know, Juan.

WATTERS: That got caught stuffing documents?

WILLIAMS: Yes, stuffing in his (inaudible).

PERINO: Wait. Wait, wait, to protect who?

WATTERS: Bill Clinton's hide.

PERINO: Exactly.

WATTERS: From the 9/11 committee.

WILLIAMS: Oh, he was protecting.

WATTERS: This is the first time that Clinton.

GUTFELD: Who is the.

PERINO: Exactly.

GUTFELD: Who are the people running the server? What do we know about them? But -- I mean were they ever sued for fraud? I wonder.

PERINO: How did they get the contract?

GUTFELD: Exactly. If they -- I mean, how does somebody -- again, in a loft apartment in Colorado get this contract? Why this person?

PERINO: And also -- you can't -- you don't just wipe a server clean by accident.


PERINO: You are instructed to do so.


PERINO: So -- right?

GUILFOYLE: They're going to have a record of that.


GUILFOYLE: So they're going to have a record of the date, the time, and who requested that the server be -- I'm telling you somebody is going to take a fall. If I was like Uma and like Cheryl Mills, I'd be like running for covering, getting a hundred lawyers.

WATTERS: Well, that's.

GUTFELD: I think this is.


GUTFELD: Hillary. I think this is.

PERINO: I agree.

GUTFELD: I think it's no longer.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, but they are going to sacrifice someone, watch.

WATTERS: And your record is gonna metastasize because once they start turning the screws to her inner circle, and we already have the Obama State Department now trying to whitewash the e-mail classifications, they're stone walling.

WILLIAMS: Here we go.

WATERS: Not responding.

WILLIAMS: You see this is where you guys get.


WILLIAMS: This is where you get, the trouble, Jesse.

WATTERS: This thing is gonna trickle, trickle, trickle out.

WILLIAMS: No, Jesse. Keep going because next you'll say, and we can't trust Loretta Lynch over at the Department of Justice and we can't trust James Comey of FBI because we can't trust Barack Obama and now we're into right- wing conspiracy.

GUILFOYLE: We're not saying that.

WILLIAMS: And everybody says oh, its unusual clash (ph).

WATTERS: And you trust the Clintons?

WILLIAMS: Oh yeah.

WATTERS: And that's where you're at.

WILLIAMS: Oh, no, I didn't.

PERINO: You said there's a lot more about.

WATTERS: Juan, I'm sorry.

WILLIAMS: I just said the Clintons were guilty of arrogance. And we should let them.

GUILFOYLE: And you've also.


GUILFOYLE: Guilty of influence pedaling.


GUILFOYLE: Over at the Clinton foundation.

WILLIAMS: I think they should stop, I think they should stop taking money at the foundation. I think she should turn the server over earlier. I think all of that, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: And also stop obstructing justice. That's a nice charge.

WILLIAMS: I don't know how she is obstructing justice.

GUTFELD: Here's how Hillary could solve the problem.

GUILFOYLE: Destroying evidence.

GUTFELD: She should argue that her private server was more secure than the government, and she could bring up Snowden and (inaudible).

PERINO: In the bathroom?

GUTFELD: Yes, she said this is -- you know (inaudible) -- she prefers small businesses. Like the mom.


GUTFELD: She prefers the mom and pop.

WILLIAMS: And wait a minute. You're.


WILLIAMS: Wait a minute. You're on the wrong side. You can't do this.

GUTFELD: I'm saying that's how.


GUTFELD: I prefer the mom and pop over the Walmart.

GUILFOYLE: You know why? Because the other side is doing so poorly he's trying to help them out.

WILLIAMS: Now Greg is helping now on Hillary.

GUTFELD: I want to make it interesting.


WILLIAMS: All right.

GUTFELD: We've got to take a break, more on Clinton's 2016 troubles ahead, on The Five.




PERINO: Hillary Clinton has not been honest about her e-mails and Americans are losing trust in her. It's the theme of a new ad by Conservative PAC America Rising. Take a look.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a candidate here who is not being honest or candid about what she's done with her e-mails.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Voters thinking that she's dishonest and not trustworthy.

CLINTON: Let's take a deep breath here. I've never had a subpoena.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We sent her a subpoena. Couldn't be more plain, the Honorable Hillary R. Clinton.

CLINTON: I did not e-mail any classified material to anyone on my e-mail.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Classified information was transmitted on the private server that she ran out of her home.

CLINTON: I did not send nor receive anything that's classified.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The FBI is now looking into the private e-mail system that Hillary Clinton used.

CLINTON: Maybe the heat is getting to everybody.



PERINO: Newt Gingrich thinks the scandal will derail Clinton's candidacy. And he predicts a new batch of democrats will surface to duke it out for the nomination.


NEWT GINGRICH, FORMER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: Some person emerges out of all this mess. I mean, Bloomberg if he shifts, Jerry Brown. I mean, you just don't know. Elizabeth Warren -- you're going to see if Hillary, in fact, starts to implode, you're going to see a vacuum like you've not seen in many, many years. And that will pull in an amazing number of egos.


PERINO: I still don't believe it though, Greg. I think that the democrats gonna pull behind her no matter what, but says maybe something more about them than about her.

GUTFELD: But it is funny because he mentioned Governor Moonbeam, Jerry Brown.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God, not again.

GUTFELD: I know, I mean. To which shows you what kind of a weak bench the democrats have. That's like the Mets using a peanut vendor for late inning relief. I think republicans do have a solution. They have 17 candidates. We used to play little league. We'd show up in the team didn't have enough players. Remember you'd give them? So I think the republicans.


WATTERS: Can we give them Rand?


GUTFELD: Give them four or five of our candidates. They can have them. And we probably won't even notice the difference.


WILLIAMS: Especially if it's the Donald.

GUILFOYLE: That's interesting to say. But it's not just.



WATTERS: We're gonna give you guys.



PERINO: Let me ask you something, Kimberly.


PERINO: Bernie Sanders.

GUTFELD: I was always the one given. Anyway, go ahead.

PERINO: You --really?

GUTFELD: Yeah, It was .

PERINO: Your actions --

WATTERS: Shocking.

PERINO: I think he last chosen on the kick ball team, too?




GUILFOYLE: You can have a participation trophy, are perfect or ribbon or something.

GUTFELD: I didn't know.

PERINO: We'll give you something.


PERINO: Kimberly.


PERINO: Bernie Sanders? He's been running strong, right? I mean, surprising a lot of people. But he has yet to attack Hillary Clinton on the main point on which she is vulnerable, which is trustworthiness and this whole issue, for example, of the e-mail scandal. Is he afraid to attack her?

GUILFOYLE: I think it's too soon for that. I mean...


GUILFOYLE: Right now he's trying to sell himself. He's doing quite a good job of it. He's definitely making inroads in New Hampshire and now he's doing that in Iowa as well. So let him keeps going, getting in front of people. He's amassing large crowds, he's definitely you know, stirring up the base. And I think he's going to let the wheels continuing to come off the bus or the Scooby-doo van, as it is. And see what happens with that. Why not? And if I was another candidate I'd wait to jump in later too on the democratic side. Whether you're Al Gore, or you're John Kerry, it's like you know, keep polishing already, shining the Nobel Peace prize he's open to get for that bogus Iran deal. You know, or you're Biden waiting to go get in after a midnight swim. Wait until she continues to implode, then they get to step in and pick up the pieces. But in the meantime, Bernie Sanders is already hurting her. She's doing.

WILLIAMS: I don't think.

PERINO: Juan, do you hear that in democratic circles?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. He is.


PERINO: Are they actually worried?

WILLIAMS: No, and the funny thing.

GUILFOYLE: Do you think the materials, Juan. It's all here.

WILLIAMS: The funny thing is if you look at the polls. Look at the latest Fox polls. She's actually farther ahead of Bernie Sanders now than she has been in the past. And Bernie Sanders, that he starts attacking Hillary Clinton.

WATTERS: Isn't Hillary losing in New Hampshire?

WILLIAMS: She would be in trouble with the people.


WILLIAMS: He gets these big crowds who come out, right? Those people are far lefties. And you're not going to make friends there by suddenly attacking Hillary Clinton. He's just got to say that she be farther.

PERINO: Really?

WILLIAMS: To the left.

PERINO: I don't know. What do you think, Jesse?

WATTERS: Well, I mean, I think Biden might get in. The only problem is Biden has to grab like a black lives matter placard or maybe say he's a socialist because right now you have to be so fringe. And that's where the energy is right now is in the far left grassroots fringe, and Biden just doesn't have the money to compete. He's too white. Just as white and old and mainstream as Hillary. And he's, you know, he's actually dead broke, and the only thing keeping a lid.

GUILFOYLE: Oh you mean versus Hillary.

WATTERS: Yeah. And she said, the own thing keeping a lid on these cooks on the Democrat Party right now is the Clinton machine and their money. And when the wheels come off and she implodes, you're going to see riots like '68 at the convention because people are going to be coming out of the woodwork, ambushing the stage. It's gonna be nuts.

PERINO: Will you be there?


PERINO: Will you bring Watters World there?

WATTERS: Oh, yeah, I'm going to clean up.

GUILFOYLE: He's in at pop collar.

WILLIAMS: You know, as I was listening, I was thinking is he talking about the republicans?

WATTERS: No. You guys were the riots, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Because the far right and the cooks and all this? I was thinking is he talking about the republicans?

GUILFOYLE: That's not nice.

WATTERS: We don't want a socialist.

GUILFOYLE: Hello, your children are republicans.

WILLIAMS: What can I -- they have a mother, you know.


GUILFOYLE: Whoa, what is that mean?

GUTFELD: I'm talking about Hillary's decline, and she is a victim of the Obama hangover. I mean, though is she is really -- how is she going to repeat that inspirational orgy of hope and change, the seven-year party?

GUILFOYLE: That's exhausting.

GUTFELD: Everyone's exhausted. It's like the left is so.

PERINO: Like I got to go home.

GUTFELD: Yeah. They're so overly invigorated that it's impossible to stimulate them.

GUILFOYLE: It's like burning man. Like OK.

GUTFELD: it's done.

GUILFOYLE: It's done.

WATTERS: That's right. Hillary's not going to stimulate anybody unless she laughs and cackles like that.

PERINO: So it's last call?


PERINO: OK. All right, ahead. Judge Napolitano has some news for Donald Trump about his deportation plan for illegal immigrants. Part of it may be unconstitutional. That's next.



GUILFOYLE: Donald Trump's immigration agenda may be an ambitious one, but a senator who advises him on it says it's, what America needs.


JEFF SESSIONS, ALABAMA SENATOR: It's just a mainstream plan to do what politicians have been promising to do for 30 years and haven't done. These are things like you have end the jobs magnet by not allowing people who are here illegally to get jobs. You strengthen border enforcement. You stop the visa overstays. These are things that he talks about in his plan that are bread and butter.


GUILFOYLE: Trump wants to deport all illegals in the U.S.; Judge Napolitano says that could take decades.


JUDGE ANDREW NAPOLITANO, FOX NEWS SENIOR JUDICIAL ANALYST: Under Supreme Court's current interpretations of the law, which again can't be changed by Congress, every single person that the government wants to deport is entitled to a hearing and an appeal. How long would this take? The most deportations and hearings the government has ever done in a year are 250,000. There will between 11 and 12 million illegals here that's 40 years for those deportation hearings to be held.


GUILFOYLE: The judge also says the constitution wouldn't allow for the deportation of illegal immigrants that were born here.


NAPOLITANO: The 14th amendment in its opening language makes up very clear that everyone born here is a United States citizen. Even if a mother walks over the border and delivers the baby and leaves, even if they come here just because they want to take part of the welfare state. That's the constitution, it can't be changed by presidential order, and I'm sure Mr. Trump knows this and can't even be changed by legislation.


GUILFOYLE: All right. So therein lies the issue, Dana.

PERINO: Which is one of reasons I expressed frustration yesterday. And that all the things that the judge has said are true and accurate and fact. And just saying that well, we're going to end birthright citizenship, doesn't mean that you -- are going to do it. Now maybe that's OK with people. They just want like hear things that make them feel good for a half a minute, but I actually take things a little bit more seriously. And the judge is right. I mean, you have all -- if you -- if it is true that there are 11 million illegals here, we have a huge problem. I think the frustration is actually that the immigration system is what's really broken. And I think the Jeff Sessions, the senator there, has a lot of good points. I mean the H-1B visa program where there are like high tech workers that come here. That actually, one of the problems is that you get -- you can't -- it's hard to deal with the system. The bureaucracy is outrageous. And perhaps, there can be an agreement on how to deal with that. But the citizenship issue, the birthright citizenship is something that the Supreme Court is not going to change it. And a constitutional amendment is just not possible.

WATTERS: Well, a few actual republican candidates in this race right now, have proposed constitutional amendments on the Supreme Court, on abortion, and on gay marriage. So it's not totally out of the mainstream to do that, number one. Number two.

PERINO: You think a gay marriage constitutional amendment is actually going to happen?


WATTERS: No, I don't, and.

PERINO: That's my point.

WATTERS: But republicans have also proposed it. And I remember President Obama.

WILLIAMS: Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You said he was not.

WATTERS: I mean he's elected in 2008.

WILLIAMS: You said it was mainstream. Not even republicans think that, Jesse.

WATTERS: Let me finish, Juan.


WATTERS: What I also said.

WILLIAMS: The Donald is in the house.


WATTERS: In 2008, when President Obama.

PERINO: I think he's charming.

WATTERS: Went out there and said you know what we're going close down Gitmo. Everybody knew it was impossible. He still hasn't done it. He's worked around the edges. Congress blocked him.

But you know what he did? He tried to send the message to our allies, tried to send the message to the Muslims, and tried to set the tone. And I think that's what Trump's doing. He's a negotiator. He's trying to set the tone. This is his first bid.

When he says he's going to do this, maybe that's not his last play. Maybe he's sending a message to Mexico. Maybe he's sending a message to the illegal aliens. Maybe he's going to freeze...

WILLIAMS: You are -- you are...

WATTERS: ... illegal immigration by setting the tone.

WILLIAMS: Because the Donald is coming through you today so vividly.

GUILFOYLE: Channeling.

WILLIAMS: He's channeling the Donald. What he's doing -- you're channeling the Donald. So what you're telling me is I really shouldn't take anything you say seriously?


WATTERS: Obama said he was going to get rid of Gitmo.

WILLIAMS: Oh, really? It's Obama?

WATTERS: It's been 6 1/2 years later. Did he fulfill that campaign promise, Juan?

WILLIAMS: Let me tell you, he's working at it. You notice, we have fewer people. I would think he's upset about it.

WATTERS: And I think Trump's going to work at it, too, because President Trump is not going to go around and knock on doors and deport everyone named Juan Jimenez. He's going to say anytime Juan Jimenez is stopped for a DUI, he's going to be deported.

WILLIAMS: No, what he said...

GUILFOYLE: That's not what he said.

WILLIAMS: That's not what he said.

WATTERS: And his uncle's going to go home, too.

WILLIAMS: I think he said everybody. And then they asked him, "Do you mean that you're going to break up families?"

And he said, "No, no. I won't break up."

"Well, how are you going to do this if you're not going to break up families?"

PERINO: They all go together.

WATTERS: It makes perfect sense. He just said when someone's here illegally, they're going to be deported. He didn't say anything else about that. And I think that's a strong message, and a lot of people agree with that.

GUILFOYLE: Jesse Watters. Why are you going to mess up with his fun? He's having a good time.

PERINO: The truth is, at least he's charming.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, he is. He is. All right.

WILLIAMS: You know what, too? He has better hair than the Donald. I think the Donald envies your hair.

GUILFOYLE: There we go. Juan's like -- go ahead, Greg.

GUTFELD: You know, last week I asked for specifics from Donald Trump, and he ponied up. So you've got to give him credit for that. He created -- some of the stuff...

PERINO: Specifics.

GUTFELD: He came up with specifics.

PERINO: What were the specifics?

GUTFELD: Like e-verify, which we've talked about.

PERINO: E-verify already exists.

GUTFELD: The visa overstays, these are things that we've actually talked about. So I'm actually grateful. Some are good; some like you say, are unreasonable.

But the thing that -- there are two major points I want to make here.

We're going to end up spending a lot of time talking about the Fourth Amendment and what the word "jurisdiction" means. And I really don't want to do that for the rest of the summer. Really -- we're going to have to make a distinction about whether they were talking about illegal immigrants or they were talking about native children of Native Americans. And the amendment might be wrong. But we're going to end up talking about that instead of talking about something that I think is much more important.

For the past -- this whole story really is about threat. For the past seven years, President Obama has told us the No. 1 threat to existence is climate change.


GUTFELD: Donald Trump believes the biggest threat to the United States is security through illegal immigration. I happen to think that they're both incredibly wrong. And I've been hoping for a politician, a Republican conservative, who comes out and says it is the future evolution of terror that is what is at stake in this world. It's when terror finally marries itself to the contemporary technology that is available to us.

When we sit there with our -- with our little drones, once that is married to a bomb, we have a whole new ball game. We're going to look back at this era, when we have these explosions in Bangkok and these assorted terror attacks in the United States, as the good old days. Because what we're going to see in five and ten years, is we're going to see stuff that is going to be horrible. And I don't think any wall is going to stop that.

I think the borders have been -- have been erased. This is a smaller planet. It's not Mexicans who are blowing up the buildings.

WILLIAMS: Well, it's apocalyptic vision. But I must say, you're more serious than I think that the Donald...

WATTERS: That's why Trump is going to go take over the oil fields in Iraq. Get that oil back home.

GUTFELD: But if he takes them over and somebody gets captured, he's going to be mad at them for getting captured.

WATTERS: Not a hero?

GUTFELD: Yes. He's not a hero.

PERINO: I can't tell if you're trying to help him or hurt him.

GUILFOYLE: Jesse can't tell, either.

WILLIAMS: I can. I won't say a word.


GUILFOYLE: All right. Stand down, Juan.

Still to come, is Amazon mistreating its workers? America's largest online retailer is getting scathing reviews from some of its employees. The company's response next.


WATTERS: This weekend the New York Times published a scathing piece on what it's like to work for the online retail giant Amazon. The company's now in damage control mode.

A former employee says nearly every person he worked with cried at their desk. Like this place. Another told The Times, "The pressure to deliver far surpasses any other metric. I would see people practically combust."

In a memo, CEO Jeff Bezos writes, "The article doesn't describe the Amazon I know. Anyone working in a company that really is like the one described in the Times would be crazy to stay. I know I would leave such a company."

Former White House spokesman Jay Carney now works for Amazon and is discrediting the story.


JAY CARNEY, AMAZON SVP AND FORMER WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: This is an incredibly compelling place to work, a place where people are excited to come to work. And I think the fundamental flaw in the story is the suggestion that any company that had the kind of culture that The New York Times wrote about and sort of a cruel, Darwinian or Dickensian kind of atmosphere in the workplace, could survive and thrive in today's marketplace.


WATTERS: All right. So it looks like the Times, which was firing editors, is losing money, has a reputation as having horrible morale, had a plagiarism scandal.

PERINO: Not to mention how they treat women.

WATTERS: Right. Paid women less there. And now is attacking a company that's innovating and is one of the most successful organizations around?

GUTFELD: You know, no one is forcing people to work at Amazon.


GUTFELD: If you don't like it, you go find another job. And if you're in the press, don't use their products or their system. But you probably will after writing a scathing report.

The ultimate snobbery of The Times is that every workplace is cruel and inhuman except for theirs. Unless you remember a couple of months ago, their news room would actually take photos of their staff themselves, re- enacting mass murders and suicides. This is the New York Times. This is they would re-enact -- that's an Nepalese royal massacre. They also re- enacted Heaven's Gate. So that's a lot of fun. You can tell that they're a big barrel of laughs at the New York Times.

WATTERS: A great workplace.

GUTFELD: I don't think Amazon does that.


PERINO: They're too busy.

GUTFELD: They're too busy working.

WATTERS: Now, Amazon is bigger than Wal-Mart. I think it's about a $250 billion company. The CEO is like the fifth richest guy ever. They've become successful by innovating, competing, cutting bureaucracy and slashing spending. This looks like an attack on capitalism.

PERINO: I have a friend who works there and says they read the article sort of laughing at the hyperbole of it all.

But just remember Jeff Bezos made a play at The Washington Post. And ever since, The New York Times has been ripping Amazon story after story after story. So I think this probably is editorial direction to try to attack Amazon. It's not fair.

WATTERS: And look who's sticking up for Amazon. It's our friend Jay Carney, Kimberly. It looks like he's doing just as bad of a job doing P.R. for Amazon as he did the White House. I mean, this guy...

PERINO: Now he knows what it's like to be a corporation on the other side of an unfair attack from the New York Times.

WATTERS: Right? I mean...

GUILFOYLE: Drop the mike, Dana. Drop the mike, baby.

PERINO: I'm sorry. But it was really a good point.

GUILFOYLE: Too bad. I just brought it back.

GUTFELD: She's dating a guy named Mike, Kimberly.


WATTERS: Probably dating two.

WILLIAMS: You guys -- guys have totally ignored any seriousness about this. But I take it seriously. Because you know, just let me put it to you this way. They had a warehouse in Pennsylvania where people were dropping, because they didn't have any air conditioning. People had to work so hard. And I think the modern...

WATTERS: Sweat shop?

WILLIAMS: It was. Basically it was.

WATTERS: Not that they're just sweating.

WILLIAMS: No, no. Actual fainting.

WATTERS: An actual sweat shop.

WILLIAMS: But the serious part of this is, I think there are more modern companies today that do things like send you e-mails after midnight and expect you to be on there to reply. When you think about people who don't offer benefits who say to a woman who's had a miscarriage, "We need you to"...

PERINO: Wait, wait, wait. This is not Amazon.

WILLIAMS: This is Amazon. This was in the Amazon -- New York Times article about Amazon. So I'm saying, you know what? Maybe you're right. Maybe you're right, Dana.

GUILFOYLE: Turn everything into a war on women. It's like Amazon is like what? Insensitive to miscarriages.

WILLIAMS: I'm just saying -- I'm saying that I think that in the -- this current economy we're in, employers make a lot of demands of people.

GUILFOYLE: But that's the free market. That's what capitalism is.

WILLIAMS: Amazon had taken it -- Amazon has taken it to an extreme. I think that you guys ignore it and you say human beings don't matter.

GUILFOYLE: That's not what we're saying, Juan.

GUTFELD: Human beings don't matter. You finally got me. I want my Prime.

WILLIAMS: I know. Everybody says they love Amazon Prime.

PERINO: That will be the new rallying cry. Human lives matter.

WATTERS: Juan is not allowed to order anything off Amazon now.

WILLIAMS: Oh, that's it now?

WATTERS: I want his account bounced.

WILLIAMS: That's a serious response.

GUILFOYLE: It's true, right? I mean, honestly, Amazon is an example of everything that's going right in this country in terms of the economy, in terms of providing jobs and being innovators and industry leaders.

WILLIAMS: Therefore -- therefore, Kimberly...

GUILFOYLE: They are making everything better, faster, smarter, that's why their profits are going up.

WILLIAMS: And therefore you can exploit people?

GUILFOYLE: I did not say that, Juan.

WATTERS: People are signing up to work at Amazon.

WILLIAMS: Yes, because...

WATTERS: They just hired about 15,000 people last year.

WILLIAMS: Yes, yes. No, no. People...

WATTERS: Are those people suckers? Juan?

WILLIAMS: Well, no. In our economy...


GUILFOYLE: And by the way, if you work for Amazon, you're a stepping stone to being a better (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

WATTERS: The bright spot in the Obama economy, you're criticizing.

WILLIAMS: I'm criticizing something that, if this exploits people to the point where people are going crazy and everybody is crying at their desk, maybe there's a problem.

WATTERS: Maybe -- maybe we shouldn't work so hard. Maybe you're overworked, Juan.

PERINO: You did cry at your desk once.

GUTFELD: I want to ask you, did you order this strawman off Amazon?

WILLIAMS: Yes, I did.

WATTERS: Off home delivery.

WILLIAMS: It came in on a drone, and it's going to land right here.

WATTERS: All right, next. Will raising the minimum wage lead to less opportunity in America? That debate straight ahead.

GUILFOYLE: That was funny.


WILLIAMS: There are a lot of people in this country fighting to raise the federal minimum wage. Carly Fiorina is not one of them. Here's where the GOP presidential candidate stands on the debate.


CARLY FIORINA (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I believe that minimum wage should be a state decision, not a federal decision. Why? Because it makes no sense to say that the minimum wage in New York City is the same as the minimum wage in Mason City, Iowa.

We need to be honest about the consequences of raising a minimum wage too high. One of the consequences is that young people who are trapped in poor neighborhoods will have less opportunity to learn skills and move forward.


WILLIAMS: Kimberly...


WILLIAMS; ... what did you think of her fashion?

GUILFOYLE: Well, we were saying that we thought she looked fantastic. She looks relatable, approachable. Jesse has a thing for plaid. That was working for him. And she just really owns the moment and feels like -- to me it looks like she feels very comfortable in her own skin. And I think people do respond to that. There's an authenticity with her.

And also she's always very well-prepared for the event. Like you don't feel like she needs, like, 10, 12, 15 people to like handle her and micromanage and tell her what to say and what to think and how to dress and all the above.

WILLIAMS: I like her, too. But I must say she was the subject of a critical piece today, again looking at her background. Hewlett-Packard, her corporate background.

PERINO: Must mean she's doing something right.

WILLIAMS: Here she is now saying, "This minimum wage. You know, the workers really, they don't need it." What do you think, Jesse?

PERINO: No, that's not what she said.

WATTERS: Well, listen, it's typical liberalism. It's good intentioned. But when you raise the minimum wage, it has a bad result. Look what happens to workers. When they get a hike they want to cut their hours and they can lower their income and then stay on welfare. Or the company just passes the labor costs onto the customers.

WILLIAMS: You know...

WATTERS: They raise prices; and sales go down and tips go down. Or -- or robots take over. Robots.

WILLIAMS: You're just hurting...

WATTERS: And I don't want robots serving me at Big Back (ph).

GUILFOYLE: But it's happening.

WILLIAMS: You know, you're hurting the case so much that I'm going to give Dana Perino a chance to actually make a good case.

PERINO: Well, what I like about -- so she can explain basic economics in a way that is relatable, as Kimberly said, understandable. People can deal with that.

She wasn't saying there shouldn't be any minimum wage. She was saying we have to be honest about possible negative consequences of it. And we are seeing that in many of the cities that have decided to go forward.

Juan, you travel a lot, especially through LaGuardia. You could have a five-hour delay at LaGuardia, buy a lot of things, have a lot of services and never once have to talk to a person. Because what have they done? They've changed it all to be self-service and robots and iPads and things like that to be able to deal with things.

There are consequences of it. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be more job training and more education and things like that. But she's being honest with people about what the situation is.

WILLIAMS: But Greg, you know, the other way to look at this is that American companies are doing very well right now, but they're sitting on tons of capital. Wages are not going up. So you have this political outcry, especially on the left, that says, "Hey, why is it that we have to struggle while people can't even afford to live?"

GUTFELD: Because I think that's a misleading argument. Minimum wage is designed for entry level: teens, people who just start in the workforce. It's not -- it was never originally meant for heads of households supporting families, which may be there and it may be a tiny percentage. But this is basically for people who want to move up.

If you raise that lung -- that rung then you have to raise all the other rungs. Because you can't have an entry-level guy making the same amount of money as his female manager. Because that would be wrong. So she has to go up. That causes more pain for the small businesses, because he has to raise everybody's salary.

The end result is you take a pie that used to have eight slices, and now you've made it six slices. You've eliminate two jobs, which is why pizza joints are closing in Washington.

WILLIAMS: I think you're right, generally, but I think you're wrong on one point. Which is I think most of the people who get minimum wage are not teenagers, not entry-level people anymore. They're people who are struggling to make it in the country. But I think...

GUTFELD: Temporarily, maybe?

WILLIAMS: But I think that what Dana and what you said, absolutely, I'm going to acknowledge has some truth to it. That it could have negative consequence in terms of diminishing the number of jobs that are available.

GUILFOYLE: Guess what? That's an honest, responsible analysis that's going to benefit everybody.


WATTERS: Stop there, Juan. No more thoughts.

WILLIAMS: I agree. But you've got -- I think you've got to realize, wait a minute, what caused this? The big corporations are sitting on tons of cash, and they are not raising wages in the country.

WATTERS: That's because they don't trust the Obama regulations. So that's why they're sitting on all their cash.

WILLIAMS: How did I guess -- did I guess he was going to go to that false argument?

WATTERS: As the CEO...

WILLIAMS: You know what? You've got to stay tuned, because "One More Thing" up next.


GUTFELD: Time for "One More Thing." Kimberly, hi.

GUILFOYLE: Hi. Well, I have an outstanding G.I. Jane thing. We have two women who are going to make history this Friday by becoming the first female soldiers to graduate from the Army's legendary Ranger school in Fort Benning, Georgia. We've got some B-roll here of what they have to go through to be able to accomplish this.

The two soldiers were part of a group of 19 women and 381 men who made it past this two-month training course that had previously been closed to women. So now the pool has narrowed down to 96 that are set to graduate. Two of them women, not releasing their identity.

PERINO: You go.

GUTFELD: All right. Now it's time for...


GUTFELD: Greg's Secret to Happiness!


GUTFELD: Well, here's a tip. You don't mess with a frog by showing him fly pornography. Let's roll this, please.


GUTFELD: Look at this.





GUTFELD: You think that's fun? Huh? Think that's good? Look at that. That is cruel. That is cruel. It's cruel. But get this. The frog won't take it anymore. He's had it. He's going to get the last laugh.




GUTFELD: Yes. Lou Dobbs is now wearing a thumb cast.

All right, Dana.

PERINO: OK. Why is this man crying?




PERINO: Not because I mopped the floor with him yesterday. It is because Tom Shillue had us in stitches today as he was filling in for Greg on Greg's day off on Monday. Does this have anything to do with Hillary Clinton's really poorly delivered Snapchat joke? Take a look.


CLINTON: I recently launched a Snapchat account.

I love it. I love it. Those messages disappear all by themselves.

TOM SHILLUE, HOST, "RED EYE": It's the town crier technique. It's the "Hear ye hear ye." Just yell the jokes slowly and loudly. If she was telling, you know, "How did the chicken cross the road?"


PERINO: Anyway, we had a great time. And Tom Shillue is now the host of "Red Eye," so if you catch it at 3 a.m. or DVR it, I suggest it.

GUTFELD: Well, you know, when you come back, I'll just -- well, never mind. Jesse.

WATTERS: I don't know where you were going with that.

GUTFELD: I was almost going to make a surprise announcement, and then I realized I can't.

WATTERS: OK, good. All right. So Marco Rubio, my main man, yesterday at the Iowa State Fair, showing off his arm. Take a look.

Oh. Take a little mustard off it, Senator. Hits the poor kid right in the head. Kid catches like a Democrat.



WATTERS: I think the Jets are probably going to sign him next. So just take a little off it next time. And I'd like to see Hillary's arm actually.

WILLIAMS: He throws like a Republican. Hits kids in the head.

GUTFELD: There you go. There's the lead. Republican hates children.

WILLIAMS: That's what I was thinking. Gregory was coming with that one.

All right. So here we go. I've got two summertime baseball stories for you. But guess what? One involves a kid and one an adult. The good and the bad. Here we go.

In the first one, 5-year-old Holly Dawson with a prosthetic hand made -- it was done by 3-D printed prosthetics. Unbelievable. But she got to throw out the first ball at the Orioles in Baltimore yesterday to her favorite player, Manny Machado. Here it is. Totally awesome.

So next up, here's a dad trying to catch a foul ball at the Angels game yesterday.

PERINO: Oh, no. Oh, no.

WILLIAMS: And he's holding a kid!

Oh, no. That kid!

PERINO: No way.

WILLIAMS: Now Greg, was that Michael Jackson with that kid? Was that Michael Jackson?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, he named him Blanket?

WILLIAMS: Remember that? Remember that?

GUTFELD: "Special Report" next.

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