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Glenn Beck: Trump's conservative record 'is horrendous'

Radio host discusses the 2016 Republican field on 'Hannity'

 

This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," August 17, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: And welcome to "Hannity." Tonight, 2016 Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump continues to dominate in the polls, and how he's put forward a detailed multi-page plan on how he intends to tackle illegal immigration. Now, we'll have more on that in just a few minutes.

But first, over the weekend, Donald Trump descended on the Iowa State Fair, where he attracted huge crowds, answered dozens of questions from the press and even gave free rides to kids in his helicopter. Then on Saturday, Trump held a press conference in Iowa, where, per usual, he delivered some pretty candid remarks. Watch this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We're going to take jobs back from China, Japan. We're going to make our country great again. And that to me is going to be the challenge. And we're going to do it. And it's not going to be that difficult.

When I get the right people negotiating with the right countries, we will come out on top every single time.

When I do a deal, I don't say, Oh, here's 14 points for -- I go out and do it. I don't sit down and talk about 14 points. She just asked -- Kasie just asked, am I going to take questions from reporters? What am I doing? Am I taking questions from reporters? They'll tell you I'm taking questions.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

TRUMP: By the way, unlike Hillary. Unlike Hillary. This is unlike Hillary, do we agree?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: All right, here now is the author of a brand-new book, "It Is About Islam: Exposing the Truth About ISIS, Al Qaeda, Iran and the Caliphate," founder of TheBlaze, former Fox colleague Glenn -- how are you?  There he is.

GLENN BECK, FOUNDER, THEBLAZE: How are you, Sean?

HANNITY: Glenn Beck. You don't even need an introduction. We'll just say Beck.

BECK: Oh, yes. Right. How are you?

HANNITY: All right, let's start with -- you put a Facebook post up on I think it was Friday. You mentioned me and Coulter and Rush and others.

BECK: Right.

HANNITY: And you wanted an answer. Why don't you tell us the answer -- the question that you wanted answered.

BECK: What I wrote was -- and I called you right after I wrote you, right after I posted, it because you and I are friends and I wanted to say I really do want an answer on this. This is not trying to throw anybody under the bus and it's not trying to throw Trump under the bus.

I am really trying to understand how conservatives can look at Donald Trump's record, which he himself self-identifies more as a Democrat than as a conservative or a Republican, and say, That's our guy.

Now, I want the American people to decide. And I'm not trying to shut him down. I don't agree with people who want to, you know, kick him out or silence him or whatever. I just don't understand it because his record is horrendous when it comes to conservative principles.

HANNITY: You know, I guess what it's going to come down to -- and I know you said on your radio show today because I read it on TheBlaze on your Web site -- that you and I are at an impasse. I think I wrote -- I think it's about 10 pages. By the way, I typed the whole thing out on my iPhone! You know, I'm sitting there in my daughter's tennis tournament.  I'm sitting there, writing you back, and I didn't expect it to go that long, by the way.

BECK: Right.

HANNITY: But I wanted to give you a real, thoughtful answer.

BECK: And you did.

HANNITY: And -- but I don't think...

BECK: And you did.

HANNITY: ... you agree with anything I said. So what's the point?

BECK: No, no, no. No, no, no. I do agree. I do agree that our jobs -- we see our jobs differently. And we talked about -- I mean, because, again, you wrote a lot. So there was a lot to agree on. And the things that you said about each candidate, I agree on, and the way you handle things.

I'm much more of an opinion guy, and there are people that -- there are candidates that I just don't -- I don't want to talk -- I don't want to talk to Jeb Bush. I know what Jeb Bush is going to say. I got it. You have Jeb Bush on because people access these candidates through you. I'm more of an opinion guy.

HANNITY: Well, I give a lot of opinions, too. I am genuinely -- and I put this in my letter to you, which has gotten, I guess, a lot of media attention. I am currently undecided. And the good thing about the process -- I tried to explain this -- is we've got five-and-a-half months...

BECK: Right.

HANNITY: ... until February 1, 2016, is when the Iowa caucus is.

BECK: And so you know -- so you know, I'm currently undecided. I mean, I have favorites. I love Ted Cruz.

HANNITY: I like Ted Cruz a lot, too.

BECK: Right. But if Ted Cruz doesn't go, I'd go to Rand Paul. I would -- I'm looking at Rubio. I'm still kicking the tires on Rubio and Walker. But there are others that are just...

HANNITY: They're all good people.

BECK: Oh, right.

HANNITY: Everyone you mentioned, I like a lot, and I put that in the letter.

BECK: Correct. But there are others that I would not vote for just because I think they're progressive in nature. I believe that Donald Trump is progressive in nature. He looks for the strong government.

And more importantly, I think this says a lot -- I mean, again, I want to be really clear because I think what Donald Trump is saying is connecting to people. And I feel a lot of the things that he says, you know? I feel that we've been screwed by China. We're screwing ourselves.  We haven't been screwed by them. We're screwing ourselves with China, with Mexico and everybody else. I get that.

And I want people to be strong and build a better nation, et cetera, et cetera. But I don't want to do it with a guy who has suggested in the past -- and I know you've asked him, that he says, Well, now I wouldn't do that. But he has suggested in the past we just take wealth away from people. Nowhere in the Constitution could you find something like that.

HANNITY: Here -- I agree with that. I agree with that analysis.  Here, I guess, is where the impasse will forever be. And I have -- at this point, I think I've asked him every question that I wanted answered...

BECK: Right.

HANNITY: ... and I thought my audience would want answered. And I argue in this paper back to you is that I think I can best serve my audience on radio and TV...

BECK: Correct.

HANNITY: ... by giving them access to the candidates. And many of the specific things that you brought up about abortion, for example -- I liked his answer. He knew a woman that was about to have an abortion. She didn't have it. He knows the kid. It was profound. He changed his heart.

On the issue of health care, for example, he now supports health care savings accounts. On issues involving the economy, we got into very specific detail. On issues of ISIS, I liked the idea of taking Iraq's oil and giving millions to the 5,000 Americans, and the Iraqis should pay for their own liberation. They owe that to them. The perimeter idea is good, if it's comprehensive.

BECK: That wasn't the deal, Sean.

HANNITY: What's that?

BECK: That wasn't the deal. I mean, I agree, I think that should have been the deal on the outset. But that wasn't the deal. And to go in now retroactively and say, Oh, by the way, we're just taking your oil...

HANNITY: But this is a different environment because now ISIS controls Ramadi and Mosul and...

BECK: And if he wants to make that deal, I have no problem with making that deal. But that's different than saying, We're going to just go in there, we're going to take the oil. No.

HANNITY: All right, the only thing I would argue back to you -- and I think there's a reason for his success. And I think the reason is Republicans are weak and they are timid, in Washington, especially. The Republican governors have done a lot better. I think they're weak and timid. They have broken so many promises.

BECK: Agree.

HANNITY: Americans are fed up.

BECK: Agreed.

HANNITY: The problems we face are severe -- 93 million Americans out of the labor force, 50 million in poverty. We have literally -- on the world stage, we have exited! And as a result, the world is a less safe place.

BECK: CNN...

HANNITY: And I think what he's saying shows strength and conviction.  And I don't really care what he said in the past. What do you -- where do you stand today?

BECK: No, I do. It's -- remember...

HANNITY: I'm asking.

BECK: You were a guy who taught me about what Barack Obama said in the past and got me to care about what he said in the past.

HANNITY: Right.

BECK: What somebody says in the past makes a difference.

HANNITY: I agree.

BECK: I will say this. I agree with you on this. CNN played an old clip of me about 6 or 8 months ago, maybe a year ago, saying, If I'm on the other side, you know who the person I agree with, the person I respect on the other side? Bernie Sanders.

And it's the same thing. We are so tired with the system, we're so tired with the game playing on both sides. The Democrats are saying, You know what? I'm for socialism. You guys aren't really giving us the real socialism. You're playing this game. Let's go for it. That's what they're doing.

HANNITY: Yes. You know...

BECK: And the same thing over here. I just -- I have a problem with Mr. Trump's character and -- because of the things that he has changed. I just don't trust that that's what he really means. He's good in promoting Donald Trump. However...

HANNITY: Yes, he's good at that. By the way, he's not humble. You said...

BECK: He's not. And I think that's -- I also think that's an important trait to have. We...

HANNITY: Maybe...

BECK: One of the things that really bothers me about Barack Obama is his lack of humility, that Mussolini stance that he does.

HANNITY: You know...

BECK: But here's my...

(CROSSTALK)

HANNITY: Maybe -- this is what I would recommend to you. Maybe we can settle the impasse. Because I've interviewed him and asked him specific questions about Planned Parenthood, asked him about his abortion position, I've asked him about his plan for the economy, I've asked him about his plan to battle ISIS, I've asked him about his past statements, I've asked him about the problems that some conservatives have with him.

And I feel over time -- this is my take on him, and I think you'll disagree, is that here's a guy that has been very successful, loves the country, sees what both of us see, America in decline, and he is entering the political arena for the first time because he sincerely wants to make the country a better place, and he thinks these people in Washington are dumb and stupid, incompetent and ambitious! And I think he's right!

BECK: What part of that do you think I disagree with?

HANNITY: Then that's the point. Why don't you interview him? Bring him on your program and...

(CROSSTALK)

BECK: We've invited him on the radio show, and I have no problem interviewing him. I just don't -- my problem is I don't think that he is a guy who has a bad -- you know, is going to get in and try to -- you know, has bad intent for the nation.

HANNITY: He's not Barack Obama.

BECK: Yes, he's not Barack Obama. He sees the nation the way you and I might see the nation. But that doesn't necessarily mean I agree with his way of getting there. I've not heard Mr. Trump really talk about the Constitution. And I'm not -- you know, when you say things like, You know what? Well, that's just what we got to do -- no, no, no. No. We respect the Constitution first. Where are you on the Constitution?

HANNITY: I've never heard him suggest anything that I thought was unconstitutional, for example...

BECK: Taking wealth away. Just seizing wealth out of bank accounts is absolutely...

HANNITY: Yes, and I asked him about that, and he said it was a dumb idea, that he would have coupled with a balanced budget amendment that -- again, he made it as a businessman. Maybe I'm giving him more credit for the fact that the things that he said as a businessman and as somebody that was appealing to both sides for business reasons -- and I don't have a problem with that.

BECK: Here's the great thing, Sean. You and I are not going to -- we're not going to solve this. Mr. Trump is going to play out.

HANNITY: That's right.

BECK: And he -- the great thing is...

HANNITY: Five-and-a-half months, we'll know.

BECK: He causes a crowd. People will listen to him, and they'll judge. And you and I...

HANNITY: Yes.

BECK: We each have one vote, just like everybody else. So what happens, he is in control of his own destiny. There's no press person that's going to hurt Donald Trump.

HANNITY: All right, I got to break. I got to take a break.

BECK: OK.

HANNITY: We'll come back. More Glenn Beck right after the break.

And then later tonight...

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TRUMP: They have to go.

CHUCK TODD, MODERATOR, "MEET THE PRESS": What if they have no place to go?

TRUMP: We will work with them. They have to go. Chuck, we either have a country or we don't have a country.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: Donald Trump does lay out his immigration plan, but not everyone's happy about it. We'll explain what he's proposing. And Jorge Ramos is here with reaction. That and more as "Hannity" continues.

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HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." And we continue with the author of the brand-new book,"It Is About Islam: Exposing the Truth About ISIS, al Qaeda, Iran and the Caliphate," founder of TheBlaze, former colleague Glenn Beck is back with us.

The only thing I can say to people because this -- I didn't expect to get so long-winded. I'm a talk show host. Maybe that is one of the reasons I did. But I tried to answer your question because...

BECK: You did.

HANNITY: It was...

BECK: You did a great job.

HANNITY: You asked...

BECK: You were very eloquent and you were very kind about it.

HANNITY: You were -- well, because you asked for a thoughtful answer.  And...

BECK: And you gave it.

HANNITY: And I tried to give you an answer. I don't think we're going to agree. People want to -- you can go to Glenn's Web site, my Web site, and you can see the exchange.

BECK: But would you do us both a favor?

HANNITY: Sure.

BECK: Stay -- not you. People do both of us a favor and remain civil.

HANNITY: Yes, that's a good idea.

BECK: Why can't we have a civil discourse? I mean, Sean -- I ask questions of Sean. He answered back and asked questions of me. And it was civil and we're friends, and we got to be able to, as a country, pull together and be decent to one another and not say, You're the enemy, you're the traitor. It's ridiculous.

HANNITY: You know, I think that's good advice, but people -- oh, people's emotions run high. And one of the great things about this country is you can say whatever you want about a public figure, and we have to take it because we're in the business.

BECK: Yes.

HANNITY: And if you can't handle it, then you probably don't belong here.

BECK: True.

HANNITY: The -- you feel the same way I do. I think America's on the precipice. I think we can become Greece. I think without America on the world stage leading, I think the world's in trouble. I worry about this Iranian deal. I worry about the geopolitical ambitions of Putin and the Chinese. I worry about our deteriorating relationship with Israel. So these are important questions we're going to examine in the next five-and- a-half months.

BECK: Yes.

HANNITY: If we don't get a good candidate, I'm not sure we recover.  Agree or disagree?

BECK: Oh, I think -- Sean, I -- I think that, you know, in the coming 24 months, we're going to see dramatic changes in the world. I think we are -- gosh, to be real honest with you -- and I know you're a religious man -- I think we are rejecting God so wholeheartedly right now that I don't know he can protect us anymore.

When somebody hands a petri dish and it's full of baby parts and they're like, Oh, look, it's a boy...

HANNITY: It's a boy, yes.

BECK: ... and we don't respond -- I mean, a lot of people have responded. But imagine that 25 years ago. This country would've gone crazy.

When we turn our eyes -- today on my show, I played video of a woman testifying in parliament against ISIS. And she was crying and pleading and saying, Please, I am asking you as a human being, please know what's happening to our women.

It was on the front page of The New York Times just two days ago about how the Yazidi women, thousands of them, have been taken and they're used as -- as rape devices (ph). And these ISIS members, because it is about Islam, are taking the Koran, they're reading it, showing these 10-year-old girls, This is where it says here in the Koran that I can do this to you -- then they kneel down, pray, violently rape them, and then pray again.

(CROSSTALK)

BECK: It's craziness!

HANNITY: Let me ask you about the book because I just started reading it this weekend. You sent me an early copy.

BECK: Yes.

HANNITY: Are we -- is this radical Islam? Is this the equivalent of modern day Nazism?

BECK: Oh, yes.

HANNITY: I suggest it is.

BECK: Oh, yes.

HANNITY: I would argue that radical mullahs coupled with weapons of mass destruction equals a modern day holocaust. Wrong?

BECK: No, no, no. This is -- this was planted -- in the book, we talk about the roots that came also from Germany. But this is -- this is the Nazis times 10. They have learned from the Nazis. This is -- if we can't call it by its name and actually point out what they say -- I mean, the thing about this book is this is not my opinion. In fact, this is -- this will tell you something, Sean. You know how many people it takes to do a book and how many researchers. Under my name, there's always, like, four people underneath here that help me write the book, and this is the only one everyone involved said, I don't want my name.

HANNITY: Wow.

BECK: Don't put me name on this. And this isn't an opinion book. We went to the Koran. We went to the hadith. We went over to the scholars in the Middle East to say, Do we have this understanding right? And we asked them, What does this mean? Does this give you permission to maim, kill, throw acid on, rape, sell into slavery? Yes, it does.

HANNITY: Wow.

BECK: So it's time to stop saying that this isn't about Islam. ISIS is -- is uber-Islamic, uber-Islamic. And it's time it's said. Otherwise, we perish.

HANNITY: All right. Well said. Glenn Beck, good to have you. Thank you for being with us.

BECK: Thank you very much.

HANNITY: Jorge Ramos here to dissect Donald Trump's immigration plan that he outlined today. It's an interview you don't want to miss.

Later, Patrick J. Buchanan is here to explain why the Republican Party is over if they don't make room for Donald Trump and his supporters. Can an insurgent win this year? We'll ask him.

And more bad news for Hillary. The number of classified e-mails that passed through her server is now in the hundreds. We'll explain.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: Mexico is doing very well...

(CROSSTALK)

TODD: It's not doing great...

TRUMP: All right. OK. Let's see. They have the money. They will pay for the wall. They're sending drugs, and they're taking money out.

TODD: Yes.

TRUMP: They're making a lot of money. Mexico's making a lot of money. And I'm a big fan of Mexico. I'm a huge fan of the Mexican people.  I have thousands of Mexican people working for me right now, and have over the years. But they have to pay for the wall. And we need the wall.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: That was 2016 Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump talking about his brand-new plan to tackle America's immigration problem.  In addition to making Mexico pay for the border wall, well, Trump's multiple-page proposition details his policy proposals, which include tripling the number of ICE officers, enacting a nationwide e-verify system, creating enhanced penalties for immigrants who overstay their visas, making the deportation of all criminal aliens mandatory and ending birthright citizenship.

Joining us now with reaction is news anchor for Fusion and Univision - - our friend, Jorge Ramos, is back with us. How are , you, sir?

JORGE RAMOS, UNIVISION/FUSION: Fine. Thank you. Thanks for inviting me again.

HANNITY: You know, first of all, Mexico, if you come from Central America, they either put you in jail or they send you out. Australia, sends you out of the country. Anything that you disagree with in terms of his policy? Anything that's unfair in your view?

RAMOS: Well, I think everything about Donald Trump's immigration plan is wrong. It's not only wrong, but it is simply impossible to achieve. He cannot deport 11 million people. That's not doable.

HANNITY: Sure, he can.

RAMOS: He wants to get into the business of deporting babies.

HANNITY: By the way, wait a minute. You say it's not doable...

(CROSSTALK)

RAMOS: ... really what he wants to do, and it is completely absurd to build a wall when about 40 percent of all undocumented immigrants come by plane, Sean. So it is really impossible to do. It might play well in the polls, it might help him in New Hampshire and Iowa. But it simply is not going to work.

HANNITY: We're a nation of laws. People have entered this country, many of them -- there are 642,000 crimes committed in Texas. And I sat through the security briefing with Governor Rick Perry -- 642,000 crimes, including nearly 3,000 murders by illegal immigrants against Texas residents since 2008. So we have a problem.

And many people might want a job or a better opportunity for their family, but they've got to come legally. And those that bring drugs into the country and those that -- even ISIS then (ph), if people can come over because they want a job, so can ISIS.

Why don't you join with the rest of the country and say it is imperative that we as a nation have an obligation to secure our border?

RAMOS: So why don't you join with the majority of Americans who believe that we need comprehensive immigration reform? You know, undocumented immigrants are coming to this country because there are thousands of American companies who hire them, and because there are millions of Americans, including you and me, who benefit from their work.  And the idea that immigrants tend to be more criminals than the rest of the population is completely...

HANNITY: I did not say -- wait! I did not say...

RAMOS: ... untrue.

(CROSSTALK)

HANNITY: I did not say that!

RAMOS: Immigrants are less likely to be criminals and those born in the United States. Those are according to American Immigration Council.  And the other one -- immigrants as a whole have lower crime rates than the native born population, according to the Immigration Policy Center. In other words, the concept, the argument that the vast majority of criminals...

HANNITY: I never made that argument.

RAMOS: ... (INAUDIBLE) immigrants -- it's absolutely wrong.

HANNITY: I'm giving you the numbers as were given to me by...

RAMOS: Mr. Trump...

(CROSSTALK)

HANNITY:  Wait a minute! Jorge...

(CROSSTALK)

RAMOS: ... saying that, and many people argue that...

HANNITY: That's not what I argue.

RAMOS: ... that's the reason why we should not have immigration reform.

HANNITY: Wait a minute!

RAMOS: That's completely absurd.

HANNITY: We have 93 million Americans out of the labor force, 50 million Americans in poverty, 46 million Americans on food stamps!

Now, I understand that the people of Mexico and El Salvador and Central America want the American dream. I'm all for an immigration system, but they've got to do it legally. They've got to respect our sovereignty. They've got to respect American law. That ought to be a prerequisite before anybody gets into the country!

RAMOS: But every time...

HANNITY: And you're defending illegal activity by people...

RAMOS: Every time an immigrant comes to you, there's an American who's also committing a crime by hiring them. And we all benefit from their work.

HANNITY: OK.

RAMOS: We have to understand that. And we also...

HANNITY: I don't know what you mean...

RAMOS: We're responsible for that. So...

HANNITY: They're driving down wages. They're creating more competition for...

RAMOS: It's very simple. It's...

HANNITY: ... for labor in this country...

RAMOS: ... an economic process, Sean. It's an economic process. The fact that they're coming here, it is not simply because they are criminals and they want to come to this country. They're coming here because there are jobs for them, and we need them...

HANNITY: No, but there are -- there are also criminals coming, too!

(CROSSTALK)

HANNITY: There are a lot of people that want jobs...

RAMOS: Of course they do.

HANNITY: ... but there are a lot of people that also commit crimes here! There are a lot of people that transport drugs! There's a lot of human smuggling going on! It has become a great danger to Mexican citizens...

RAMOS: But the vast majority...

HANNITY: ... that are hiring these coyotes!

RAMOS: I understand that. The vast majority -- this is very important because Mr. Trump is saying something completely different. The vast majority of immigrants in this country are not criminals and are not rapists.

HANNITY: He didn't say that.

RAMOS: They are contributing enormously to the economy of this country. The Congressional Budget Office recently, when they were considering legalizing 11 million undocumented immigrants -- they said that in the first 10 years, immigrants would contribute more than $700 billion to the U.S. economy. Don't you want that?

HANNITY: Well, hang on.

(CROSSTALK)

HANNITY: Wait a minute! I'll answer your question.

RAMOS: Please go ahead.

HANNITY: You know what? We have 93 million Americans out of the labor force, 50 million in poverty. I would prefer that we get American citizens jobs first, and then we go about the business of reforming our immigration system! But the people we should allow in should not be the people...

RAMOS: But immigrants are not taking those jobs, Sean.

HANNITY: ... hang on -- that didn't respect our laws. I keep going back to this. You don't believe in the rule of law! You don't care about people that don't respect our laws! I don't care about...

(CROSSTALK)

HANNITY: I do believe in the rule of law, but we have to be -- but we have to recognize that the fact that they are here it's because there are thousands of American companies hiring them, and because there are Americans also breaking the law. So the only way...

HANNITY: I will concede your point.

RAMOS: ... to do that is not as Mr. Trump is saying, deport them all.  You cannot do that. What you have to do is...

HANNITY: Why not?

RAMOS: ... to have immigration reform, comprehensive immigration -- you cannot deport 11 million undocumented immigrants. Are you going to do it by boat...

HANNITY: Well, the first thing I would do-

RAMOS: ... or by plane?

(CROSSTALK)

HANNITY: The first thing I would do...

RAMOS: Are you going to bring the Army, or are you going to be in the business of deporting babies, which is...

HANNITY: It's a very emotional argument.

(CROSSTALK)

HANNITY: But that -- wait a minute, Jorge! that is what Mexico does.  That is what Australia does. That is what a lot of countries do.  America's the only dumb country that leaves its borders wide open, and it has transformed our economy!

RAMOS: No, I don't think so.

(CROSSTALK)

HANNITY: Let me finish! Illegal immigrants...

(CROSSTALK)

RAMOS: ... a great country when in the Declaration of Independence, you say "All men are created equal." That's the whole point.

HANNITY: OK. OK. All men are created equal. But we're a nation of laws! Our Constitution is our rule of law. The amount of money border states have had to pay for our criminal justice system, our health care system, our educational system to take care of those people that did not respect our laws in sovereignty that you are defending this law breaking is astronomical and in the billions.

RAMOS: -- creating jobs --

HANNITY: They don't pay taxes because they're not in the system.

RAMOS: -- billions of dollars in economic profit.

HANNITY: But a lot of people don't pay taxes because they're not in the system.

RAMOS: They do pay taxes.

HANNITY: No.

RAMOS: Not only that, it's taxation without representation because many of them are paying taxes.

HANNITY: They're not citizens.

RAMOS: Many of them are putting billions of dollars in the Social Security, and they simply can't benefit from that. But let me just go back to one point you made. Are you serious where you're talking about deporting 11 million?

HANNITY: I'm saying --

RAMOS: Can you imagine --

HANNITY: Here's my argument.

RAMOS: -- the human rights violations that would create? Is that possible?

HANNITY: I believe --

RAMOS: Are you going to separate families? Are you going to go to the hospitals and take the babies and then send them --

HANNITY: You mentioned babies three times now. I understand your emotional argument. But I will tell you this -- I'm for the rule of law.  And the people that didn't respect our laws --

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HANNITY: Can I finish?

RAMOS: Let's create a rule of law including those --

HANNITY: I'll finish my thought. Didn't respect our laws.

(CROSSTALK)

RAMOS: -- proposing, it isn't going to work. It isn't --

HANNITY: OK, you've answered my question. You support rewarding the law breaking of those people.

RAMOS: No, of course I do not.

HANNITY: Sure you do, because they get to stay --

RAMOS: You want the rule of law and at the same time the American system, the American immigration system is so broken that everyone is breaking the law in this country and we have to recognize that.

HANNITY: What about these so-called anchor babies?

RAMOS: In order to react to that, we have to go ahead with comprehensive immigration reform.

HANNITY: You keep repeating it. No, there's another way.

(CROSSTALK)

HANNITY: We can build a wall. We can stop illegal immigration. And we can give the highly coveted positions we have in this country available to those people that have the most to contribute and those that respect our laws and sovereignty. There is another alternative, not just the one you said. There's plenty of alternatives.

And I've got to tell you something, the American taxpayers have paid billions and billions to bear the burden of cost for illegal immigrants, and you don't care about taking their money as people have. That's immoral, too.

RAMOS: Of course I do. I talk with immigrants every single day. But the idea, what you just proposed, building a wall --

HANNITY: That's right, a wall.

RAMOS: It doesn't make any sense.

HANNITY: It makes plenty of sense.

RAMOS: You're going to do it right at the border with Mexico, but how about the 5,000 miles between the U.S. and Canada?

HANNITY: I would do it up there, too. I would do it up there, too.

RAMOS: It seems to be with Mexicans --

HANNITY: No. Well, that's where the bigger problem is. But I would also do it up there.

RAMOS: Right, 2,000 miles?

HANNITY: I would take the 93 million Americans out of the labor force and hire them first.

RAMOS: And then, what a waste of money and time. Mr. Trump, he's a businessman.

HANNITY: If we stop. If we stop --

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HANNITY: Wait a minute. No, no, no. If we stop --

RAMOS: So it doesn't matter how long and how tall the wall is going to be.

HANNITY: You're wrong. You're wrong.

RAMOS: A wall is not a solution.

HANNITY: I believe it is, and I believe it would work. And we won't know until we try it.

RAMOS: Let me give another number.

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HANNITY: I don't have enough time. I don't have enough time. We'll bring you back, Jorge.

RAMOS: More Chinese immigrants are coming than Mexicans.

HANNITY: All right, coming up, Patrick J. Buchanan, he says the Republican Party is over if they don't have room for Donald Trump and his supporters. Pat is here to explain what that means. Also, can an insurgent win? We'll ask him that.

Plus, new reports that hundreds of classified e-mails may have passed through Hillary Clinton's private server, but the Democratic frontrunner is making jokes about it?

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HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: I love it. I love it. Those messages disappear all by themselves.

(LAUGHTER)

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HANNITY: She may have a bigger legal problem than she thinks. Ed Henry is here with the full report. Stay with us.

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HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So despite rising poll numbers, Donald Trump continues to come under attack from mainstream Republicans.  In a recent column titled "GOP Elites Call for Purge of Trump" Patrick J. Buchanan fired back at the Republican elite and establishment, stating that if Trump continues to be unwelcome within the GOP perhaps the party has reached its end.

Here for the discussion is the author of "The Greatest Comeback," Patrick J. Buchanan. Sir, I agree with you, Pat. You know, there is an effort. I understand people want to defeat him, they support other candidates. But this is behind the scenes from everything I could see.  It's now becoming vitriolic. What mistakes are they making?

PAT BUCHANAN, AUTHOR, "THE GREATEST COMEBACK: Well, if Donald Trump is going to be knocked down in this race, let the voters do it. They're seeing him. But the idea that he should be excommunicated from the party and that the people who support him are xenophobes and we don't want those folks in the GOP, what are they talking about? Their talking about the new majority Republicans of Nixon and Agnew. They're talking about Ronald Reagan's Democrats. They're talking about all these folks we're going to need in the conservative/Republican Party if you're going to win that election in November. What happened to the party of inclusion?

HANNITY: You know, it's a good point. And it seems that people forget that Reagan put together a coalition of conservatives. He was hated by the establishment. He took on a sitting president, Gerald Ford, people seem to forget, in 1976 and nearly beat him.

BUCHANAN: Sure. And he was attacked and people said he's outside the pail. But both he and Richard Nixon only because they got tremendous numbers of working class Democrats south and north and independents, they won 49 state landslides, 61 percent victories. The Republican Party, Sean, has one of the best chances I thought it would ever get again of winning this presidency, what with Hillary Clinton who ought to have, incidentally, ought to have her security clearance removed. But with her and all her problems with the server, we got a golden chance to win this presidency.  And why are you starting to exclude people?

HANNITY: You know, if you look at the latest FOX poll, there are three candidates with double digits -- Donald Trump, Ben Carson and Senator Ted Cruz. How do you interpret that? The year of the insurgent? Is the base telling the Republican Party we're unhappy with your timidity and your lack of resolve and broken promises in D.C.? That's how I interpret it.

BUCHANAN: I think what the base of the Republican Party and a lot of independents and conservatives are saying is, look, we're all through with the regular Republicans. They've talked to us in and out. They've lied to us. They never do what they say they're going to do. We're ready to give this guy a chance, this Donald Trump a chance, these other outsiders, because they are fresh, they haven't been corrupted by the system.

And I think that's what they're saying. And quite frankly, that's an enormous part of the Republican coalition going into the primaries. Let me say this, Sean. Given those numbers at FOX News I've seen, if the elections began today instead of five months from now, I think Trump would win Iowa. I think he would carry that victory into New Hampshire. I think he would be the favorite in the run against the establishment candidate for the nomination. And he might even have a chance to win the presidency if he gets rid of some of these negatives.

HANNITY: You know, it's interesting, because the most recent broken promise was Obama's executive amnesty. And that was just in 2014. And conservatives like me and, I think, I'll put you in this category. We're fed up. They know the right thing to say, but then they never want to follow through because they're timid and afraid they'll be blamed for government shutdown.

So let me follow that thought yours. Can Trump become the president of the United States? Can he win? Can Ted Cruz win? Can Ben Carson win?  Can any of these insurgents win?

BUCHANAN: Right now, you would have to say the odds are against them.  But let me say this, what Donald Trump has done -- you mentioned the Republicans and what they did getting in bed with Obama. Look, they came back to Washington after a victory saying we're going to stand up to him.  And they provide all the votes for -- to give away their right to amend trade treaties, and then they say, you know, we'll bring it back and just take it up or down vote on the Transpacific Partnership.

As Trump knows, who is an economic patriot and an economic nationalist, he knows these trade deals have denuded our country of factories and jobs. Just last week the Chinese were devalued by three percent. I think what Trump would do if he were in there, stick a three percent tariff on all their products to counteract that and say stop what you're doing or you're going to get more. And this basically is what is need. The American people feel it's needed. When you've lost all your jobs and your factories, what does it take to wake the Republican Party up to its free trade uber alles hasn't worked?

HANNITY: Pat Buchanan, good to see you. Thank you.

BUCHANAN: Good to see you, Sean.

HANNITY: And up next tonight right here on "Hannity."

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CLINTON: I love it. I love it. Those messages disappear all by themselves.

(LAUGHTER)

(APPLAUSE)

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HANNITY: Hillary Clinton joking about her server scandal while talking about Snapchat. This as the number of classified e-mails that pass through her private server continues to grow, possibly well into the hundreds. Ed Henry has a full report and more.

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HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So the scandal swirling around Hillary Clinton's private server is not going away anytime soon. As the State Department says, there may be far more e-mails with classified info than previously thought. But the Democratic frontrunner, she took an opportunity to crack a joke about the ongoing scandal. Watch this.

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CLINTON: You may have seen that I recently launched a Snapchat account.

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CLINTON: I love it. I love it. Those messages disappear all by themselves.

(LAUGHTER)

(APPLAUSE)

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HANNITY: Our own Ed Henry is standing by in Washington. He has the very latest. Ed?

ED HENRY, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Sean, State Department officials revealed today they flagged 305 of Hillary Clinton's e-mails that may contain classified data. The court papers stating this new number is based on the state department reviewing just 20 percent of Clinton's 30,000 official e-mails. So they could be far more found when they go through the rest of the e-mail. All of this despite the original claim there was absolutely no classified information on her server.

And as the candidate over the weekend tried to laugh off the FBI investigation with the Snapchat joke, which is leaving a famous investigative reporter who helped uncover Watergate, to say he sees disturbing parallels between the behavior of Clinton and Richard Nixon.  

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BOB WOODWARD, WASHINGTON POST: Nixon would say, oh, yeah, everything was fine, it looked good. He didn't remember the bad stuff.  And that's human nature. We don't remember the bad stuff. And 60,000 e- mails? My God.

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HENRY: Clinton continues to push for her version of her defense, there were no classified markings on the e-mails. And State Department official say they have not yet confirmed that any of the information was classified at the time it was sent or received.

Clinton this weekend also repeatedly tried to portray all of this as political attacks by Republicans over Benghazi. The Republican Trey Gowdy, chairman of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, fired back that Clinton is citing rightwing conspiracies that he says simply do not exist. He also said Clinton is lashing out because her poll numbers are dropping. In fact, look at this new FOX poll. It shows Democratic Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders continues to gain ground. Clinton leads with 49 percent, down slightly, while Sanders has climbed another eight points to 30 percent. And of course Vice President Biden is waiting in the wings and might still get in. Sean?

HANNITY: All right, Ed Henry in Washington.

Here with reaction, FOX News legal analyst Mercedes Colwin is with us.  Over 300. We're talking about David Petraeus, write a story about a marine who is about to be discharged from the Marine Corps because of passing on classified information. She's joking about it. Bad idea?

MERCEDES COLWIN, FOX NEWS LEGAL ANALYST: Unbelievable. I mean, let's get serious about this. You've obviously violated the law. It's clear.  You've got classified information. We now have documentation, proof of that violation. She had it at an unauthorized location so that's a body of law that she's violated. You have the fact that she deleted her server.  That's another federal law that she's violated.

HANNITY: Obstruction of justice, it's interesting. Over the weekend in the "Wall Street Journal," Mike Mukasey actually said that the highest step in the ascending scale of criminal penalty is 20 years maximum. It could be that high.

COLWIN: It could be that high.

HANNITY: But our justice department is politicized. Loretta Lynch, is she going to prosecute Hillary Clinton?

COLWIN: Unlikely. It's unbelievable that we've known about this for so long and there's nothing that's really taken place. Now suddenly she's giving over these emails. We knew these emails existed for a long period of time. We knew that she had this private server, but yet no one has done anything. But now she's done it voluntarily, quote, unquote "voluntarily" after the DOJ's said --

HANNITY: Let me put up on the screen the laws we have, 44USC3101, put it up on the screen. We've got that law. We've got 18USC1924, 18USC2071.  As you read these laws, and you know them so well, what do you glean from what we know versus what the law says?

COLWIN: She's dead to rights because she stored in an unauthorized location. Having a private server, that's a dead to rights issue. She violated that law. She violated the law when she deleted her server. You can't delete this information. You can't delete classified information.  She deleted that.

   And thirdly, what -- there was a transfer request. She said, she made that proclamation I never transferred any unauthorized, any classified information. We know it's not true. That's why you can't make those proclamations.

HANNITY: But there are other lies, too. She said I thought it only carries one device, and then she admits she has a BlackBerry, she has an iPhone, she has an iPad. She carried all of these devices. That was a lie.

   Then she said but the server contained personal correspondence between me and my husband. Her husband doesn't e-mail. He's only sent one email his entire life. That was a lie. She said I never had a subpoena.  She was under subpoena when she had to answer that question.

COLWIN: Exactly.

HANNITY: So she's lying to the public. She has to know she's lying, right?

COLWIN: She has a parallel universe. She believes she's above the law, that she can say what she says, and that no one is going to challenge her on it and no one is going to take her to task and no one is going to do the fact checking. Well, you know what, the wagons are circling.  Everything is going to come to light. We now know some of the truth.  There are a lot more documents to go through, but certainly they've got 60.  We've got another 55,000 pages to go through.

HANNITY: All right, Mercedes, thank you.

COLWIN: Great to be here.  

HANNITY: Coming up, we need your help, big "Question of the Day"  straight ahead.

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HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Time for your input, tonight's question of the day. So do you like Donald Trump's immigration plan? Just go to Facebook.com/SeanHannity, @SeanHannity on Twitter, let us know what you think.

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