Jindal makes case for GOP nomination; Congress prepares for high-stakes vote on Iran nuke deal

Louisiana governor and 2016 hopeful on 'Sunday Morning Futures'


This is a rush transcript from "Sunday Morning Futures," August 16, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.


Presidential candidates taking center stage in two key swing states as the race for the White House intensifies.

Hi, everyone. I'm Maria Bartiromo. Welcome to "Sunday Morning Futures."

Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal and former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina with us this morning, telling us why they should be the GOP nominee, as we take a look at just released Fox News presidential polling.

Plus, we are a few weeks away from Congress getting back to work and voting on the Iran nuclear deal. Ohio Congressman Mike Turner this morning on why he says the president went about negotiations all the wrong way.

And, where is the growth in our world economy? The founder of, Jay Walker, with us today on that and innovation in health care technology, as we look ahead this morning on "Sunday Morning Futures."

The first caucus in the nation, Iowa, the site of quite the spectacle this weekend. Several 2016 presidential candidates taking to the soapbox at the Iowa State Fair to tell voters why they should be the next leader of this great country. My next guest has been touting his record as governor of Louisiana as he campaigns through key swing states and will speak at the Iowa State Fair on Saturday. Bobby Jindal joins me right now.

Governor, good to have you on the program. Thanks so much for joining us.

GOV. BOBBY JINDAL, R-LA., PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Good morning, Maria. Thank you for having me.

BARTIROMO: Give us the blueprint of why you are the man for this job.

JINDAL: Well, Maria, we have done several things in our state. Obviously, I'm proud that we've done statewide school choice. I'm the only candidate with an alternative to actually repeal and replace ObamaCare.

But one of the things I think sets me apart is that I'm the only candidate running for president who's actually shrunk, who's actually reduced the size of government. You may have seen the Kato (ph) report that came out this past week. We've got several governors running for president. Not one of them is reduced government. Certainly none of our senators in D.C. has been able to reduce the size of government. We've got a first time senator that was now elected president. We can't afford more on-the-job training.

Here in Louisiana, I've actually reduced my budget 26 percent. I don't think anybody has cut that much any time, anywhere in the government. As a result, eight credit upgrades. We have more people working now than ever before. A top 10 state for private sector job creation. Here in Louisiana, we've got over 30,000 fewer state government bureaucrats than the day I took office.

Maria, the reason that is so important is I think we've got a fundamental choice to make. Are we going to grow the private sector economy or the government economy? You can't do both. Hillary Clinton, President Obama, they want to grow the government economy. They want to make the American dream into the European nightmare. We have got to stop that.

BARTIROMO: Talk to us about why big, bloated government is so bad. You know, when you look at, for example, the regulatory environment, I know from speaking with CEOs and heads of businesses, the real job creators, that when you have an onerous situation where there's too much regulation and the fees and the expenses are such that it becomes an issue for companies, they're going to sit on cash. They're not going to actually hire people and invest in businesses. So what's your answer to why bloated big governments is so bad?

JINDAL: Maria, that's exactly right. Look, you've got stagnant middle class wages. You've got trillions of dollars sitting on the sidelines, record low participation rate in the workforce, record high dependence on food stamps. The left is taking us on a path of socialism. Give Bernie Sanders credit, at least he's honest enough to call himself a socialist.

Maria, there are a lot of facts and figures, but when I'm out there in Iowa, when I'm' talking to voters, their sense is America is slipping away. Now, the left doesn't want to admit that, but out in the real world, the vast majority of people get a sense that this once great country, the greatest county in the history of the world, they're worried about whether it's going to be there for their children and grandchildren. Look at what we've seen just in the last seven years.

So under this president, we've declared a war on trans-fat and yet a peace, a truce with the largest state sponsored sanction of terrorism. We've got now ObamaCare. We're creating a new entitlement program, new dependence when we can't afford the programs we've got. We've got Planned Parenthood bragging about the fact on videos that they're selling parts of babies and unborn babies and their organs. We've got a Supreme Court that thinks it knows better than God trying to redefine marriage. We've got an open border on the south. We've got the left going after our religious liberty rights. $18 trillion of debt and counting. We have become the next Greece and there will be nobody, nobody here to bail us out. We're the last hope for the free world.

Everywhere you look around us -- everywhere you look around us, it just feels like America is slipping away. And I think that folks in the real world get it. They don't want -- they don't want the government to get so big that it swallows the private sector economy through regulations, taxes, spending and borrowing. That's why if we shrink the federal government, we can actually grow good paying jobs, help our kids join the middle class.

BARTIROMO: In terms of foreign policy, and in particular this deal with Iran, at that last debate, that early debate a week and a half ago you said, I have a willingness to say the words radical Islam and fight head to head against some of this terrible terrorism that we keep talking about. How do you believe you can, in fact, reverse the Iran deal? I mean the president has said umpteen times he will veto any challenge. And we know that once these sanctions are lifted on Iran, it's not going to have some snap back situation where they will just go right back. So when you get into office, hypothetically speaking, what do you do with the deal on the table right now in terms of relations with Iran?

JINDAL: Well, Maria, first of all, let's step back and realize, we're actually doing a deal with a regime that's chanting "death to America." We could be starting a nuclear arms race in the Middle East of (ph) the Sunni countries rush to get their own weapons. Amazingly, John Kerry admits that he feels like he thinks the Russians and the Chinese are reading his e- mails. Well, maybe that's why we got such a bad deal in the first place. Maybe they were sharing his e-mails with the Iranians.

So you look at this deal. We've got a deal, instead of going from strength, we're going from weakness. The president himself admitted that he didn't feel like he could put pressure on Iran because he didn't file like he could get China to continue to impose sanctions because we need China to buy our debt. So the president's admitting that our failure to balance our budget, to shrink our government is hurting our ability to stand strong on the world stage.

Israel, our closest ally in the Middle East, hates this deal. Syria, one of our enemies, loves this deal. That tells you all you need to know. The way to reverse this bad deal is through strength. Is going to Iran -- their economy is venerable thanks to the collapse of oil prices -- and making it very clear to them that America will not allow them to become a nuclear power. We will insist any time anywhere inspections. We will insist they release our hostages. We will insist that they not maintain any of these centrifuges or these enriched uranium and that every option is on the table to stop them. Weakness doesn't work. Peace through strength actually does work.

BARTIROMO: And what is the plan to defeat ISIS?

JINDAL: Well, Maria, you know, at first we've got to start with the moral clarity and honesty to describe the enemy that we face. It is radical Islamic terrorism. This president is happy to criticize America, apologize for America. Defend us against medieval Christians and the crusaders. We can't beat an enemy unless we define and acknowledge this enemy.

We need to take the political handcuffs off the military. Train and arm the Kurds. We need to go out there and show the Sunni allies in the region that we are serious about the red lines we draw. They're worried about attacking ISIS if it strengthens Assad and Iran. We need to go to the Congress, take away the ban on ground troops and the three-year time limit this president put in his authorization of the use of military force.

No commander in chief should tell the enemy what we won't do instead of saying, we're going to do everything it takes to win this conflict. Let's kill them over there before they can come and attack us here, as they're wanting to do, as they have done.

Maria, we should never send our troops into conflict unless we give them the support, the resources and the strategy to be successful. I never want our troops in a fair fight. I want them to dominate any potential conflict. And right now it feels like this president, he has twice admitted he has no strategy. He is simply incrementally increasing the number of troops there without giving them the green light to actually win, to achieve victory. Take the political handcuffs off of our military.

BARTIROMO: We appreciate your time this morning. Thanks so much.

JINDAL: Thank you, Maria. You have a great morning.

BARTIROMO: And to you. Governor Bobby Jindal there.

More battle lines being drawn by members of Congress as key lawmakers decide if they are for or against the Iran deal. Meanwhile, Congressman Mike Turner of Ohio on his claim President Obama handled negotiations the wrong way, next as we look ahead on "Sunday Morning Futures."


BARTIROMO: Welcome back. Iran handing over documents about its past alleged nuclear work to a limited United Nations watchdog, the idea to give the U.N. a sense of how advanced the country's atomic program really is.

Now, this move could be a positive sign that Iran is actually following the deal rules. That's because handing over these documents was a part of the overall agreement on curbing its nuclear activity in exchange for relief from economic sanctions. It also comes ahead of the (inaudible) congressional vote next month on the controversial nuclear agreement.

Joining me right now is Republican Congressman Mike Turner of Ohio, a member of the House Armed Services Committee and chairman of the Subcommittee on Tactical Air and Land Forces.

Congressman, good to have you on the program. Thanks so much for joining us.

REP. MIKE TURNER, R-OHIO: Good morning. Thank you for having me.

BARTIROMO: Good to see you. What do you think about Iran giving the U.N. these documents about its nuclear work in the past?

TURNER: I think, in part, this goes to the crux of what the problem with the deal is. I mean, basically we're relying on Iran to tell us what they've done as opposed to, as the president had said the deal would provide, anywhere, anytime inspections.

You know, the president said this deal would provide anytime, anywhere inspections. Iran said that it doesn't. And in fact, Iran was right. The president's delivering a deal that does not give us the verification that we need. I think it will result in a bipartisan majority of both the House and the Senate being opposed to this deal, believing it's not good for our national security, not good for our allies, and certainly does not provide the protection we need to keep Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.

BARTIROMO: So will that be enough, do you think, to reverse the deal?

The president has been adamant, saying he will veto any challenges here. But Congress is talking about this right now, while on recess.

TURNER: Well, you know, that's part of the problem with how the president has structured this. He did not propose this as a treaty, which would require two-thirds approval ratification from the Senate because he knew he couldn't do that. He knew already his deal and his negotiations would not reach the level of approval from the Senate required for a treaty.

So in this flipped deal, where the president is going to Congress and requiring two-thirds to reject, the president's already conceding that a majority is going to view this deal as bad for our allies, bad for the United States, and certainly bad for our ally Israel.

BARTIROMO: But, I mean, if we were to come back -- if Congress were to come back from recess and have an overwhelming mentality that this is bad; we're going to challenge this president, and then the president's moves to veto, I mean, we have five other superpowers that need to be involved as well. Can America really push back on this at this point in time or is this a done deal?  TURNER: No, absolutely. If the United States Congress rejected this deal and overrode the president's veto, in fact the sanctions would hold and we'd probably get a better deal.

I was with Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez, speaking to the French national security adviser, Audibert, and he was saying that he actually believed that not only would all the allies hold the sanctions because Iran would still not be in compliance with the NPT, the nuclear nonproliferation treaty, but that, in fact, we might get a better deal, that if we brought Iran to the table and said we want a deal that requires true verification, that they truly abandon all aspects of the enrichment and their program to seek nuclear weapons, that, in fact, the world would be safer and our national security would be served.

BARTIROMO: In fact, you recently met with the diplomatic adviser to the president of France, President Hollande. What did you learn from that meeting?

TURNER: Well, you know, his view was -- was very helpful. Because Secretary Kerry says, if Congress rejects this deal, that basically we're going to have havoc, that we'll lose the support of our allies and that, you know, Iran will continue its programs.

But his view was very different. I think the French say absolutely that they'll hold the sanctions and they do believe that it is possible to get a better deal.

I think this administration entered into these negotiations just wanting a deal. And so we got the deal that Iran was willing to hand us rather than the deal that would be best for national security and best for our allies.

BARTIROMO: We -- we also heard this morning new information out of the battle on the ground with ISIS. What are your views in terms of actually defeating ISIS right now?

TURNER: You know, the president basically had turned his back on the issue of Iraq after he pulled the troops out of Iraq. He did not support the Iraqi government, its territorial integrity, or hold Islamic extremism at bay.

So we're in a situation where we've already conceded territory. But if you look at the 9/11 Commission report, chapter 12 of that report said, you know, we're not just in a fight with Al Qaida or Osama bin Laden, that we're in a fight against Islamic extremism, and in order to win this, that we have to hold that terrorism at bay.

The president turned his back on it, basically declared victory and saw that the battlefield was ongoing and America was not there to make a difference.

BARTIROMO: So is ISIS getting more powerful?

TURNER: I think absolutely. And as they become more entrenched and hold territory, you know, we certainly see both our options diminishing and the difficulty of trying to fight these types of Islamic extremist organizations when they hold territory.

You know, our whole entrance into Afghanistan was to, in fact, remove the opportunity for Islamic extremist organizations to hold territory where they could then challenge the West.

What we're seeing now with ISIS, not only are they holding a large portion of the Middle East, they're seeking to destabilize other nations in the Middle East, but they're also seeking to attack the United States. And that's what makes it most -- you know, certainly most difficult and most important that the president turn his attention to this.

BARTIROMO: Well, certainly, this is getting worse and worse, in terms of the headlines there. Congressman, good to have you on the program today. Thanks so much.

TURNER: Thank you for having me.

BARTIROMO: We'll see you soon.

Up next, we've got new polls. Former HP CEO Carly Fiorina, rising in new polling of GOP contenders -- she will join me next. But first, my next guest says innovation today is not a problem because people are creating new things in America, but a key ingredient is still missing. Jay Walker, the founder of is with us. He will tell us where the innovation and growth is in this economy.

Follow us on Twitter @mariabartiromo @sundayfutures. Let us know what you'd like to hear from Jay Walker, Carly Fiorina and our panel, as we look ahead on "Sunday Morning Futures."


BARTIROMO: Welcome back.

The world's second largest economy, China, moving global markets yet again this past week by devaluing its currency, the yuan. But now analysts worry about the repercussions for American companies that do a lot of business with China. Joining me right now to talk about that and innovation in the world today is Jay Walker. He is executive chairman and lead inventor of Walker Innovation, chairman and curator of TEDMED, and he's the founder of

Jay, great to see you.


BARTIROMO: Thank you so much for joining us.

OK, China, big moves last week, last couple of weeks. An enormous economy trying to move to a consumer led economy. What's happening in China and do you see a connection with growth and innovation in America?

WALKER: Absolutely, Maria. What's happening in China is the future is up for grabs and the Chinese know they have to invent it. In the last revolution, they moved into manufacturing and they completely reinvented how to make it efficient, cheap and scalable. They had advantages of labor, universal market. They had all the things they need. But now the future has changed and it's not about manufacturing, it's about innovation. It's about creating the next Uber, the next Alibaba, the next Airbnb. And China has thousands of companies that are trying to reinvent the future.

BARTIROMO: Is that right, thousands of companies trying to --

WALKER: Thousands.

BARTIROMO: OK. So in a world we're seeing an economy grow 2 to 2.5 percent, slow growth in the United States certainly, where is the growth in innovation then in the world?

WALKER: Well, actually, the growth in innovation in the world is with the startups. It's the big companies who are looking in from the outside and saying, how do I create an Airbnb that's now worth more than Marriott? How do I create an Uber that's worth more than Hertz and Avis and all their taxi companies in the world. We're seeing the changing of the guard from a manufacturing world with slow growth to a post manufacturing world where it turns out that ideas, innovation, technology, software, those are going to be the things that create value.

BARTIROMO: Well, where do you find that? I mean let's talk about that. Why don't you see the kind of innovation that you would see at an Uber or an Airbnb at these large, multi-national companies in America that really have the most job opportunities?

WALKER: It turns out that the big guys can't attract the talent. With the exception of Google and one or two others, people don't want to go work at the giant companies. They're too slow. There are too many rules, too much bureaucracies, too much jealousy. I can't make a great deal of money going to work for some big start-up -- some big company, I've got to go for a startup. And so we've become much more driven by the startups.

But the big companies are going to fight back. When you look at what Google is doing, they're restructuring to fight back. A lot of big companies are talking to companies like ours and saying, hey, can we partner with you so we get the best of the small company and the best of the giant company?

BARTIROMO: Right. So last week Google announces that it's changing the name of the parent company to Alphabet. What's your view on that? They'll still have Google, but that's just one of several businesses.

WALKER: That's exactly what I'm talking about. Larry and Sergei at Google have basically said, look, we've got an engine in our search engine, an engine of revenues, but that's not our future. Our future is re-inventing life sciences. Our future is re-inventing health and wellness. Our futures is re-inventing how we transport ourselves with driverless cars. And they had only two choices. Either they could leave the company and go work on the exciting things, or they could put a new umbrella over the company, declare it now a multi-letter company, and said you know what, the letters we're excited about don't begin with "g."

BARTIROMO: Wow. So you're -- you like the idea that they changed the --

WALKER: I think it's really smart. And, by the way, Jeff Bezos has been doing it at Amazon for years. He's been building out companies inside the Amazon umbrella and he attracts talent. It's a game of talent. If you get the right people, and they work at the right speed, you can build giant businesses.

BARTIROMO: And do you think coding is really critical in terms of jobs for the future? A lot of people talking about coding? Is that where the jobs will be?

WALKER: Absolutely. It's not just coding, it's everything in the software economy. If you can write code, that's fantastic. If you understand how code works, that's fantastic. If you can understand how to create business opportunities using the people who can write code and understand how it works, that's good. These young kids, they're leaving the great universities. Why? Because the opportunities are not stuck in getting a four-year degree. They're leaving Stanford, they're leaving Harvard, they're leaving M.I.T. and they're launching companies.

BARTIROMO: Really fascinating. By the way, is that an Apple watch I see you wearing?

WALKER: It is.

BARTIROMO: OK. So the marriage of health care and technology, that's why I mentioned the Apple watch, we've talked about that in the past. Where specifically do you see the best ideas right now in this country?

WALKER: So we're living in an age where the end of the dark ages in health and medicine. Right now the human body is a black box and we have no idea what's going inside it. We're just guessing with our x-rays and our silly old style blood tests. That's all about to change. We're about to understand not just the genome but the proteome because the proteins do all the work. We're understanding the micro biome, because it turns out you've got 10 times more bacterial cells than human cells. We're uncovering the human body exactly like the invention of the microscope 400 years ago. Health and medicine is going to look totally different in 10 years. Totally.

BARTIROMO: I love that. I love this subject. And, of course, this is 15 years after we mapped the whole genome.

WALKER: Exactly.

BARTIROMO: And we've got all that data that we're studying.

WALKER: We're just starting. The genome -- each gene in your body codes for 1,000 proteins. So understanding the genome isn't the answer, it's understanding the protein level. That's what matters. Learning the worlds in the dictionary don't allow you to write "War and Peace," but a good writer can write "War and Peace." Proteins take the words and write the sentences.

BARTIROMO: Love it. Jay, you explained it so well. Good to have you on the show today.

WALKER: Glad to be here.

BARTIROMO: Thank you so much for joining us. Jay Walker, Walker Innovation.

Former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina surging in the polls after her performance at the first Republican presidential debate. She will join us next. We'll hear what she has to say about the issues, like ISIS, Iran, Obamacare and how to get women and minority voters to support the GOP. We're looking ahead this morning on "Sunday Morning Futures." Stay with us.


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Local villagers say they told authorities that there was a plane crash that they saw into a mountain. Fifty-four people were on board the plane. Bad weather is now forcing a search for survivors to be postponed until tomorrow. Officials say the flight was a short one, just 45 minutes, when it lost contact with air traffic control.

A noted Civil Rights pioneer who fought on the front lines for change has died. Julian Bond has passed away, the Southern Poverty Law Center confirming his death in Florida following a brief illness. Bond's contribution's to the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s made him an icon. He was the long-time board chairman of the NAACP and also served in the Georgia State Legislature. Julian Bond was 75 years old.

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BARTIROMO: Gaining ground in the polls since her commanding performance at last week's early Republican debate. Now Ms. Fiorina is challenging what she calls the status quo for working women in America in her latest op-ed in the Huffington Post.

She joins me right now from Mason City, Iowa.

Welcome, Carly. Good to see you. Thanks so much for joining us.

CARLY FIORINA, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Thank you so much for having me, Maria.

BARTIROMO: You were a member of the CIA External Advisory Board. How does that set you up, in terms of experience, for some of the issues that we're dealing with?

We've got ISIS now using mustard gas against the Kurds. We've got, obviously, this Iran deal. Will one of your first priorities be to reverse the Iran deal? And what are your other foreign policy priorities?

FIORINA: So, my first day in the Oval Office, I will make two phone calls. The first will be to Bibi Netanyahu, my good friend, to reassure him that we will stand with the state of Israel.

The second will be to the Supreme Leader of Iran, who may not take the phone call, but the message would be crystal clear: new deal -- new deal. Until you open every military and nuclear facility to real, anytime, anywhere inspections, we will, the United States of America will make it as difficult as possible for you to move money anywhere in the global financial system. We can do that. We don't need anybody's help to do it.

Those two phone calls are not only important in and of themselves, but they send a clear message to every ally we have and every adversary we have that the United States of America is back in the leadership business.

We need to begin pushing back immediately on our adversaries, whether it is China in the South China Sea -- China is trying to control a trade route through which $5 trillion worth of goods and services go every year. We cannot permit them to do that. Russia continues to march forward because we have not pushed back. So I would begin, in that case, to rebuild the 6th fleet, rebuild the missile defense program.

We need to have the strongest military on the face of the planet. Everybody has to know it. We have to support our allies in their fights against ISIS, for example. We ought to be arming the Kurds. We've been talking about it for three years. We ought to be giving King Abdullah of Jordan, another fine man, the bombs and material he's requested. We ought to be sharing intelligence with the Egyptians.

And, by the way, we also ought to be providing Australia, Japan, the Philippines with the support that they have requested so that together we can push back on China, which is becoming our rising adversary.

BARTIROMO: What's your solution to ObamaCare? I'd like to hear your solutions on regulation as well. You say that it's highly regulated and, as a result of all those regulations, that's keeping business at bay. They're not spending money; they're not hiring new workers. So give us your solutions.

FIORINA: Three things. One, we must repeal it. We can't tinker around the edges of it. It is a vast, complicated set of laws and regulations that frankly nobody understands. And so we're going to continue to see, if we don't repeal it, the consolidation of the health insurance and the drug industries, which will not serve consumers well.

Second, we need to ask states to manage high-risk pools. There are people who truly need help. I'm a cancer survivor. I understand pre-existing conditions cannot prevent someone from getting the help they need. States have managed high-risk pools successfully in the past. We need to allow them to do it again.

And, point number three, we need to try the one thing we have never tried. We have never tried the free market. Health insurance has always been a cozy little arrangement between regulators and health insurance companies. We used to do it on the 50-state level. Now all we've done is nationalize that. Let's actually have health insurance companies have to compete for everybody's business across state lines, like we do homeowner's insurance or car insurance or a whole set of other products.

BARTIROMO: You know, the Dems have been saying for a long time there's a war on women. I don't know; I'm a woman. I haven't felt that war on women. And yet, when you look at women in general, the progressive policies haven't done much for them.

FIORINA: Well, in fact, progressive policies have failed women just as they have failed the African-American community. I mean, just to put the facts on it, African-American youth unemployment, for example, is worse now under Obama. More women have fallen into poverty under President Obama. We have record numbers of Americans on food stamps, record numbers of Americans who cannot find the jobs they want. Progressive policies are failing.

In a state like California, where I lived for 12 years, the income inequality gap is vast, 100-plus billionaires and the highest poverty rates in the nation.

So one of the things we have to understand is that, when, for example, you press on seniority systems, which reward time in grade, not contribution, you are disadvantaging women, just as one example.

When you have programs that discourage people from moving forward in their lives, you are harming women in poor communities. When you have Planned Parenthood, just to pick that, which is an organization that has preyed on -- preyed on poor communities of color, that is a problem. And in New York City, where you're sitting today, there are more African-American babies aborted every year than born alive. That's a terrible thing for the African-American community.

BARTIROMO: Carly Fiorina, joining us there on the campaign trail.

All right. Welcome. We want to take a look at what's coming up on "MEDIA BUZZ." Let's check in with Howard Kurtz, live from Los Angeles today.

Howie, good morning to you.

HOWARD KURTZ, HOST, "MEDIABUZZ": Good morning from L.A. We'll look at the Donald Trump media blitz reaching stratospheric heights. He's giving interviews on his plane, on his helicopter, taking shots at his GOP rivals, at the media and at Fox News. We're also going to examine, this morning, the Hillary e-mail mess and whether it's crippling her campaign to the extent that the media seems to be portraying that, the new focus on Bernie Sanders, the chatter about Joe Biden. We'll have it all covered.

BARTIROMO: Well, she said -- she was making light of it earlier, right, Howie, saying that she opened a Snapchat account, and that's good because the e-mails just go away themselves.

KURTZ: Well, maybe she should have used Snapchat before instead of a private e-mail server.


This is a big self-inflicted wound for Hillary Clinton.

BARTIROMO: Howie, we'll see you in about 20 minutes. Thanks so much.

Hillary Clinton doing that damage control at the Iowa State Fair this weekend, as she looked at her e-mail issues and they continue to dog the campaign. Is it working? The political panel will join me next to talk about it live here in New York, as we look ahead on "Sunday Morning Futures."


BARTIROMO, Welcome back.

Hillary Clinton taking the Iowa State Fair by storm yesterday. And though she got to speak to voters while enjoying a refreshing lemonade and pork chop on a stick, her e-mails were once again on people's minds. Mrs. Clinton forced to defend the issue after it was revealed classified e-mails were on that private server.

And new Fox News polling this morning shows that the vast majority, 58 percent of Americans, believe she lied back in March when she said that was not the case. Thirty-three percent say there is some other explanation.

Still, Hillary is holding a commanding 49 to 30 percent lead over Bernie Sanders, way down from June when she had 61 percent of the vote. Senator Sanders jumped eight points from the previous poll among Democratic voters.

Want to bring in our panel on this Democratic poll and then we've got other polls that we are just releasing this morning here on Fox. Ed Rollins, former principal White House adviser to President Reagan. He has been a long time strategist to business and political leaders. He's a Fox News political analyst. Judith Miller is adjunct fellow at the Manhattan Institute for policy research. She is a Pulitzer Prize winning author and journalist and a Fox News contributor. Don Peebles is the founder, chairman and CEO of The Peebles Corporation, two-time member of President Obama's national finance committee.

And it is a pleasure to have everybody on the program today.



BARTIROMO: Thank you so much for joining us.


BARTIROMO: Any surprises first talking about the Democratic polls? Any surprises from your standpoint, Don?

PEEBLES: No, I think that what's happening is that Hillary is having difficulty being herself. And there's a thirst for another candidate. I think this e-mail scandal is reminding voters of the history of the Clintons. And I think that's going to continue to rub off this luster of nostalgia that she's been able to ride on for the last couple of years.

BARTIROMO: So what happens? Does Joe Biden come in? Do other Dems get some market share from here?

PEEBLES: I think Joe Biden's almost obligated to come in because this issue is not going to go away. I think she's going to face it with Republicans if she's the nominee.


PEEBLES: And so she needs to deal with this issue in the primary. And I think that Biden would have the ability to beat her and also he's perceived as honest by the majority of the public and he'd be perceived as being well qualify.

BARTIROMO: Judy, how do you see it?

MILLER: I think she is more worried about Joe Biden than she is Bernie Sanders' thousands and she's more focused on that than anything else. But she has adopted a kind of new strategy of making light of her own e-mail problems. The Snap Chat comment with, you know, well, those pictures instantly disappear and her other comment about all the other Republican candidates being Trump without the pizazz and the hair. She's trying to be the light Hillary. I don't think it's going to work.

BARTIROMO: I don't know if it would work. I agree with you.

Ed Rollins, I think people do not want to see this belittled. They want an acknowledgment that that is important.

ROLLINS: Well they don't -- it -- it -- it's a serious issue. It she should been cleaned up months ago. The truth of the matter is, she should be at 65, 70 percent. She doesn't have a serious opponent in this race at this point in time and yet she's below 50 percent. This is a woman who's been running for president for a very substantial period of time.

The issue here is, here she was, a very significant secretary of state, probably the best cabinet officer centered in the first term. Nobody remembers any of that except for Benghazi now and e-mails. She would have been better to have stayed in the New York senate, been a much stronger candidate.


ROLLINS: The integrity issue is going to kill her. You don't vote for people you think are lying to you and --

BARTIROMO: That is a really, really interesting and important point to be made.

ROLLINS: It's a fundamental thing. When people think you're dishonest, and she's got 2 percent that think she's honest of her own party, it's a very telling issue.

BARTIROMO: The other thing is, I mean why scrub the server clean?

MILLER: Well --

BARTIROMO: I mean -- I mean the technology company that got the server tells us now, there's nothing on it. I mean, why?

MILLER: Because she's obsessed with secrecy. Because she feels the press has been out for her and from her husband from the very beginning of their political career. She wanted to control the message. It was a terrible mistake. And it has engendered the resentment of the 24,000 foreign service officers and civil servants who worked for her at the State Department and who were subjected to rules that she ignored.

ROLLINS: She doesn't have to worry about the foreign service people. She has to worry about the FBI. When you throw FBI into this, and they're investigating --


ROLLINS: And they're going full bore and justice may get called off somewhere along the line, but right now every time e-mails are mentioned, the FBI is going to be involved in this investigation.

PEEBLES: And she -- she cleaned it because she had something to hide. It's as simple as that.

BARTIROMO: You have to believe that. I mean what else are we supposed to take away from that?

PEEBLES: Yes, no, she did it. And she would have been better off approaching it like a Donald Trump approach. I did it. I did it because you all are always out to get me and I know what it's like to undergo a lot of scrutiny. And the fact is, is I wanted to maintain my privacy.


PEEBLES: And it's that simple. I think people would have had a much greater level of respect for her because she'd be honest about it. Because that's why she did it. And -- but I think people are going to be reminded as to why they have a trust issue with the Clintons.


PEEBLES: And I agree with that. No one's going to elect a president they don't believe they can trust.

BARTIROMO: I think that's a great point.

All right, we've got to get to these first post GOP debate polls. They are out now. There are some big changes for some of the top tier candidates in these new polls. Who's up, who's down? Plus, how they fare against Hillary Clinton. Our political panel is back after this short break with what it all means as we look ahead on "Sunday Morning Futures."


BARTIROMO: Welcome back. The first Fox polls are out since the first Republican debate and the leader board is seeing some major changes. Check this out. Donald Trump's still in the lead with 25 percent of the vote. But Dr. Ben Carson and Senator Ted Cruz racking up the biggest gains from the debates, while Governors Jeb Bush and Scott Walker took the biggest hits. They are going lower.

But Governor Bush did increase slightly in the head-to-head match-up against Hillary Clinton as he polled two points ahead of the Democratic front-runner. Hillary Clinton still leads Donald Trump in a head-to-head match-up, but her lead is also shrinking, down to just five points, as opposed to the nearly 20 percentage points she had held back in June.

We're back with our panel, Ed Rollins, Judy Miller, Don Peebles.

Ed Rollins, your thought on these new polls? We want to really look at these polls now. I'm going to put them up right here.

ROLLINS: I think the interesting thing, to me, is we have got a very strong field of candidates in the Republican Party, but the outliers, the people who have not been elected, are the ones that are moving forward, Trump, obviously, at the top of the pack; Carly Fiorina, who basically ran in California and lost; Ben Carson, who didn't have a great debate but had a great ending. People like him and -- and we have all these other great governors and senators and what have you that are falling aside and the two guys that went in as, sort of, the lead, people thought as presidential, Walker and Bush, are both, sort of, crashing and burning.

BARTIROMO: Yeah, isn't that interesting, Judy?

MILLER: I'm, kind of, focused on Trump. Because, although he was polling at 26 percent before the debate, his numbers among women dropped from 24 percent to 21 percent. I expected this to happen long ago. I think it's starting to happen now. The male vote's holding steady at 28 percent, but I think you're going to see a continued decline.

BARTIROMO: Any takeaway from the Carly Fiorina interview that we had earlier in the show, where basically she said, look, women have not been served well by the current administration and really need a boost? So what -- I mean, obviously...

MILLER: She's the perfect person to deliver that message.

BARTIROMO: Exactly, yeah.

MILLER: She's the only one who can deliver that message. The rest of the Republican candidates really have a lot of baggage when it comes to women.

BARTIROMO: The other thing that Carly said on the show earlier is the regulatory environment -- Don, you know as a businessman that people complain about this onerous regulatory environment so much, to the extent that they say that's why we're not seeing more job creation in this economy.

PEEBLES: I would agree with that. I think it's very difficult to run a business in this country. This is an entrepreneurial, free market society and we need to get back to that. And I think that that's where this administration currently has been focused on increasing oversight and regulations on business. And I think that's a good point.

But getting back to Trump for a second, I think Trump has done a great service in many regards because he's got more people tuned into...

BARTIROMO: Absolutely.

PEEBLES: ... this process, the political process, than ever before. That's a good thing. I think he is at a -- at his numbers, I don't see him growing above 25 percent. The real news here is ultimately that Jeb Bush now is ahead of Hillary Clinton.

So ultimately the Republicans, I believe, will go to a tried-and-true candidate. They will nominate Jeb and John Kasich will be his vice presidential nominee. They'll have Florida and Ohio covered and they will crush Hillary Clinton if she is the Democratic nominee.

BARTIROMO: Wow. Wow, what a prediction.


PEEBLES: I predicted Donald Trump.

BARTIROMO: You predicted Donald Trump on this show, weeks ago, and now you're calling a Bush-Kasich ticket trouncing Hillary.


ROLLINS: He's a pretty good predictor on -- on business and everything else and he may very well be right here.

The problem with Trump: 25 percent can win Iowa and can win New Hampshire. He -- he's going to stay around for a while. And he claims he's going to spend a billion dollars. He has a history of not necessarily paying his bills when he runs political campaigns, so...


BARTIROMO: He said he used the bankruptcy laws of this country.

ROLLINS: Well, obviously, having had lots of clients not pay me -- at the end of the day here, he's certainly going to stay in the race. I think what happens, though, is he diminishes the opportunity to discuss big, serious issues. The Republicans need to talk about immigration. He's now set the lowest standard possible: build a wall, make the Mexicans pay for it. He has set the lowest standard on ISIS: let's go with take away their oil; let's basically go knock off their heads.

It sounds good, nice talk on the bar.


BARTIROMO: It sounds good.

ROLLINS: But the reality is, so anybody else who wants to get in the race and argue serious issues, they get, sort of, blown away by this segment. And I think that's -- I think that's detrimental to us long-term.

BARTIROMO: I'm making a commitment myself to stick to the issues with the candidates. That's, I think, what the American people decide. I want to hear real solutions.

MILLER: Well, Maria, Donald Trump, right in your area, was talking about a 25 percent tax on Chinese imports. I mean, the obvious implication of that, the impact of it would mean higher prices for Americans and retaliatory action by China. So, once you get into the nitty-gritty with Donald Trump, even on economics, where he's supposedly strong, I think he very quickly shows that he has a lot to learn.

BARTIROMO: Yeah, and this as the yuan has weakened...

MILLER: Absolutely.

BARTIROMO: China is trying to make their products cheaper than Americans.

PEEBLES: Yeah, I think also, look, Ed made a point about Donald Trump spending money. Donald Trump -- I'm in the same business. Our business is all about leverage...

BARTIROMO: Right, real estate.

PEEBLES: ... using other people's money.


And so I cannot imagine Donald Trump spending $200 million to fight off what's coming his way to get through the nominating process, or $100 million or $50 million.

BARTIROMO: He says he's willing to spend a billion, Don.

PEEBLES: Oh, I couldn't ever...


... comprehend that under any circumstance. He will not spend anywhere remotely resembling $50 million.

ROLLINS: Someone else will own a lot of golf courses and a lot of hotels with his name on it right today.


BARTIROMO: Yeah. No, I think I agree with you. I don't -- I don't think -- I mean, he hasn't had to spend his own money because he's getting all this free publicity.

MILLER: Right, $1.9 million is the -- is the PAC.


PEEBLES: As Ed knows, though, you don't get -- you need money to cover the ground and get people out to the polls and get your message out and get your supporters there.


ROLLINS: And sooner -- and sooner or later -- the big expense in campaigns is television, and even though he's getting all the free television, pretty soon he's going to have to be -- Fox is not going to give him the forum that he has today, and so he's going to have to go on commercial television and drive his message from commercials. That costs a lot of money. And I've had experience...

MILLER: Boycotting the butter cow only takes you so far.


BARTIROMO: All right. We've got to jump. Let's take a short break. We'll be right back with our panel. Stay with us.


BARTIROMO: Thank you to our panel today for joining us, Ed Rollins, Judy Miller, Don Peebles. Thanks so much, great insights this morning.

Thank you so much for joining us today. That will do it for "Sunday Morning Futures." I'm Maria Bartiromo. I'll be back next week on "Mornings With Maria" from 6:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m. Eastern on the Fox Business Network. Take a look at how to find FBN on your cable network or your satellite provider, or you can always click on "Channel Finder" at

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