This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 14, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Katie Pavlich, Geraldo Rivera, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld who is (inaudible) something. Its 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."
More damning news for Hillary Clinton. Today, we've learned that the U.S. officials first found classified information in her state department e- mails sent through a personal server as far back as May. But in the three months since, Clinton has vowed multiple times to America that no e-mails with classified data were sent. Also, the reports that two top secret e- mails discovered include discussions about a U.S. drone operation. Even the left is now losing confidence in the candidate.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS)
CHARLES LANE, WASHINGTON POST: Sorry to get into the politics of this for a minute, but they're getting worse and worse for Hillary Clinton. Her own campaign manager felt he had to put out an elaborate memo explaining why this is no problem and everything is fine. And when you're doing that that means there's a problem and everything is not fine.
CHUCK TODD, NBC NEWS: I don't think that the Democratic Party rank and file is dissatisfied with Hillary Clinton. I think the better way to call it is they're uninspired by her.
DONNY DEUTSCH, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: The e-mails actually are just a symptom of the problem with Hillary. Americans are just tired of Hillary Clinton.
(END VIDEO CLIPS)
BOLLING: All right, Greg. Big stuff and -- but some would say it's nothing. And then now, but let's start to first question.
GERALDO RIVERA, CO-HOST: You're referring to me.
BOLLING: Well, I mean, we'll get to you in a second.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Dead pant suit walking.
GUTFELD: Her campaign is coming apart faster than Bill Clinton's slacks on Jeffrey Epstein's plane. This is not good.
RIVERA: What a visual.
GUTFELD: And I'm telling you.
GUTFELD: I'm telling you. If the left is sick of her, they should also be sick of themselves because she's nothing more than a mirror of their own self-inflated arrogance. And by the way, when she's talking about their drone operation, she was talking about her speech team. Like she use too much, you have Jerry -- remember the end of Fargo? Jerry Lundergard is climbing out the window.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Yeah.
GUTFELD: At the end, he's trying to get away. That's her. She's like John Edwards at the hotel room door trying to keep National Enquirer out. It's - - I give it a month.
BOLLING: All right, Dana. Her number -- she's underwater in trustworthiness, she's underwater in honesty. But for some reason, she's not underwater in polling.
PERINO: Right. Well, because it really -- there's no other choice, right? They don't really have it. There's nobody else on the democratic side that's really emerged. And then they look at the 17 characters on the republican side, they're like we're, not for them, either. I think the number one issue goes back to intent, judgment and character. Why did she have the server in the first place? Was it to skirt the Federal Records Act? And also you remember when she was U.S. senator she was on the Armed Services Committee. She would have been privileged to have classified -- access to classified information. You could ask Senator Patrick Leahy, who in the past had to deal with that issue and actually had to resign after giving -- resign from the committee after he gave classified information to a reporter during Iran contra. The second thing is the storage issue. You, as the owner of your secret clearance, you are responsible for the storage of the information. Doesn't matter if it's sent to you, you are also -- you are the owner of that and you are responsible for it. The third thing is the possible will full destruction of federal records and the potential hiding and additional problem of then wiping clean the server, but then there's a backup server, but we don't really know where it is. Maybe -- Geraldo, I thought today maybe you could help us find it.
PERINO: Can I do one --
PERINO: And the fourth thing. And -- but then I thought that was a compliment.
RIVERA: The nicest person on the panel.
PERINO: Wait, I thought it was a compliment.
PERINO: That's not a compliment? And the fourth thing is, the unknown unknowns, and Rumsfeld's lexicon because, she might not even know what's on there.
BOLLING: All right.
BOLLING: Can I do as Dana should have just done this.
BOLLING: On that one. It was great.
PERINO: I thought that was a compliment.
BOLLING: Geraldo, so.
RIVERA: Can I just review a couple of things that have been said so far? I mean, you can ask me and if.
BOLLING: No, I'm just trying to figure out. If this is what you mean, you've got a candidate that people perceive as untrustworthy and not honest. Her poll numbers keep sliding. Her lead has shrunk to in half. And the next in line is a socialist. The democrats are in trouble.
RIVERA: That's pretty woeful. I'll agree with that and I will agree with something Dana said about. The Rumsfeld -- famous Rumsfeld quote, we don't know or we don't know. But everything Greg Gutfeld just said, all flash and bang, not a bit of substance to it, this is the most overhyped.
GUTFELD: I learn from the best, Geraldo.
RIVERA: This is -- maybe that's true. This is the most overhyped story of the year. It is not even clear.
RIVERA: That there is a criminal.
BOLLING: Just three.
RIVERA: There is not even clear there is criminal investigation yet.
BOLLING: There's FBI, a DOJ and Inspector General Investigations.
RIVERA: This is a security inquiry. There's been -- nobody is going to be indicted behind this. The drone e-mail that you ominously referred to as if she was giving away the secrets about the drone, that e-mail talks about press coverage of the secret drone program. It is an absolute farcically, overblown.
BOLLING: Can you -- Katie, can you help this man out. Can you help -- he needs some help to come back to reality.
KATIE PAVLICH, GUEST CO-HOST: Look, this isn't just about right wingers. She's been receiving criticism from a variety of people on in.
RIVERA: Starting with the New York Times.
PAVLICH: From New York Times, from.
RIVERA: Which retracted it's.
PAVLICH: From people.
RIVERA: Characterization of this.
PAVLICH: In Washington D.C.
RIVERA: As a criminal investigation.
PAVLICH: On Capitol Hill. This is a serious issue. And I have been saying, look, who needs Ed Snowden when you have Hillary Clinton and everyone can just read her e-mails because she's just sharing classified information on unsecure server. This is going to be a huge problem for her, not just because of the things that she did during her secretary of state time, but because the Clintons are so secretive and they don't want anyone else outside of their inner circle working with them. Guess who's running her campaign. The same people who were with her at the State Department.
PAVLICH: Huma Abedin is one of those people. And it's not just Hillary Clinton.
PERINO: Cheryl Mills.
PAVLICH: And Cheryl Mills. That's not just Hillary Clinton who is coming under scrutiny from the FBI, its other people as well. And when it comes to national security, it's not overhyped.
BOLLING: Stay right there.
PAVLICH: When you're secretary of state you have an obligation to protect national security. And Hillary Clinton put her own personal interests ahead of the United States security and that is a fact.
BOLLING: Stay right there. Don't go anywhere. With Clinton's e-mail scandal widening, does Joe Biden now see an opportunity to throw his hat in the ring for 2016? Meet the Press host, Chuck Todd thinks it's not too late and is sharing some inside information.
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JOE BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: He can easily put together a campaign in Iowa. That's not difficult. There are enough people on the sidelines that are not with Sanders or Clinton to do that, probably, the same in South Carolina and in New Hampshire. We can't crawl inside his head. I can just tell you, based on conversations that I know he's had with people, he doesn't believe she's been running a good campaign, and he doesn't believe -- and he believes he could run a better campaign than her.
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BOLLING: So it sounds like -- maybe not?
PAVLICH: I think that he's going to run. And I think that this is going to set up President Obama to have to make a decision, maybe not publicly right away, about who he's going to support. But when it comes to the loyalty factor here, the Clintons and the Obamas has never been friends. They haven't been friends even as secretary of state when she served for President Obama that way. She's made President Obama embarrassed because of her behavior now. And Joe Biden's been a pretty loyal follower of the president. He's done everything the right way for the most part, minus a couple of embarrassing gaffe moments. But President Obama has is gonna doing a decision about where he wants to put his infrastructure and the grassroots movement that got him into the office in 2008 and 2012. And he is going to give that to Joe Biden, not Hillary Clinton. So I think Joe Biden not only will get in, but also has a good chance of actually running against Hillary Clinton.
BOLLING: Mr. Rivera?
RIVERA: I totally disagree. I think that I don't know what's in the vice president's head. He's on vacation now in South Carolina. He has not raised one dollar. He has not hired one professional operator. He is -- this is all still because of the nostalgia, you know of the personal drama in the family and the trauma they've all gone through.
BOLLING: He's 15 months away, 15 months away.
RIVERA: In Iowa, they are already eating corndogs.
RIVERA: And deep fried pancakes. It is way too late.
BOLLING: Good point.
BOLLING: Does Iowa -- does he have to be this. Well, forget Iowa, it's four -- it's five months away.
PERINO: I think it was-- you told me that John Oliver said that between now and the election of 2016, two people could meet on a blind date, decide to get married, have a baby, buy a timeshare in Colorado. I mean, there's a lot of time. And I disagree. I think that Joe Biden has grassroots support. He has loyalty. And I think it actually helps President Obama because he can -- that's an easier decision for him. He doesn't have to then fully get behind Hillary Clinton, he can fade to the background, work on the Senate races, which they're going to need his help for. And then Joe Biden can have a shot at it. I think South Carolina is a wonderful place to vacation. I'm all for it. I also think it's a strategic place to vacation.
PERINO: Because that's where some of his best advisers live. And I would bet that Chuck Todd's source is a very well-placed one, and that I would take everything Chuck Todd said, there and believe it.
BOLLING: OK. Greg, can I throw another name out? You want to do Biden?
BOLLING: Do Biden but also another -- Al Gore.
GUTFELD: Al Gore? I.
PAVLICH: Oh, please. With all my heart, please.
GUTFELD: It's great. I mean, I think this is what the world has been waiting for. He's actually been in seclusion waiting for this time. And I'm not even sure if that's Al Gore. I think it is al gore in an Al Gore costume. I don't know.
PERINO: Like a slimmer version of himself?
GUTFELD: And he'll tear out of it and go, here I am. You know, he's just -- no, but have you noticed, Al Gore has never been the same since he lost. Something has changed. He's not quite there.
PERINO: He's rich.
RIVERA: $400 million richer.
GUTFELD: Yeah. He's got a houseboat.
PERINO: Really rich.
GUTFELD: He's got houseboat.
BOLLING: All right.
RIVERA: And the world's gotten.
PERINO: Does he have his own plane? I mean, come on, it's pleasure.
BOLLING: Let's do this. Run the 2016 presidential race has moved to Iowa, home of the first caucuses. Candidates on both sides are stumping at the state fair in Des Moines. Here are Huckabee and Jeb on what they hope to accomplish there.
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MIKE HUCKABEE, 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The Iowa people, you know they'll make decisions late. And being at the state fair is a good way for us to get out here and visit with some people of this state, explain to them why I should be the next president.
JEB BUSH, 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You've got to organize. You've got to get people to commit to attending the caucuses, recruiting others to go to the caucuses. This is the fun part. The give and take is what politics should be about.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
RIVERA: Looks like he's in pain.
BOLLING: Just as he ramps up his ground work, Donald Trump is set to visit the Hawkeye State tomorrow. Dana, the Huckabee -- you said Huckabee have some good points.
PERINO: I think Huckabee has a great point because he's one, he knows Iowa very well and he knows what he has to do to win there. He likes the retail politicking. So the state fair is a perfect place for him. He can shake hands. He can have a hotdog, a corndog, whatever it is. And that's -- it's like going home for him. He's comfortable there. I think that was a good point.
GUTFELD: You know I have to say, I've always been partial to happy warriors. And I think this is -- if you see -- we need to see some kind of positive energy come out of this campaign. You know, with Reagan or the camps of the world, that's what I'm always partial to and hopefully, the shrill and the emotional elements of the past will suddenly move away and we'll have somebody talking about specifics.
BOLLING: Kate, comment on Jeb Bush, what he needs to do and he answer, he stood up on the soapbox today and made some announcements. What does he need to do there?
PAVLICH: Well, actually Jeb, so far hasn't done the best job of impressing people in Iowa because he kind of said that -- he didn't say but he basically implied that Iowa wasn't as important as the rest of the country. And even if he is right, I think that they may have taken than a little bit, personally. Iowa is different this time around because they did get rid of the straw poll, so that's not something that's coming into play here. But he has to show that he's able to go to these things and talk to people in a way that Mike Huckabee would or Ted Cruz would be able to and relate to these people on a basic level of going to the state fair. So he's going to have to do that, which clearly he's trying.
PERINO: I love the state fair.
RIVERA: I think Governor Bush saying that this is the fun part of politics when looking like he has a toothache is a real problem. Compared to the charisma and energy of Donald Trump, Jeb is looking more and more frail in yesterday's news. And you know, going back to the point about Vice President Biden pondering getting in and South Carolina being strategic, it reminds me a lot of Rudy Giuliani saying, "I'm not going to pay attention to Iowa and New Hampshire or South Carolina. I'm going to jump-in in Florida." And by then the race was over.
PERINO: But that's not fair enough, that's not borne out though by the facts.
PERINO: Like there actually was an operation for Rudy in those states and Jeb, all of the candidates have an operation in the states including Carly Fiorina. Who I -- I think -- it will be fun to watch her at the fair. I love a state fair.
GUTFELD: What's your favorite part?
PERINO: The free country music concert.
GUTFELD: See, I like the sideshow.
PERINO: Can I tell you something? I'm going to date myself a little bit.
BOLLING: They do sideshows at state fairs? Isn't it carnivals?
GUTFELD: They're not carnivals. It's a state thing. There's nothing better than a two-headed animal.
PERINO: I saw Garth Brooks for free in 1994.
PERINO: And I thought he was going to be a real big star one day.
PAVLICH: Oh my God, I'm so jealous.
GUTFELD: I like the bearded lady.
BOLLING: Bearded lady, yeah.
GUTFELD: Bearded lady is very attractive. I like lizard guy. They're all my favorites. I usually hang out there.
PERINO: Can you -- how are you at the ring toss?
GUTFELD: I don't do that at the carny.
PAVLICH: My favorite is winning the fish that you bring home.
PAVLICH: And the child of the parents was like.
GUTFELD: What are you doing with.
PAVLICH: How could you do this to us? Put it away.
RIVERA: Sometimes a little baggy.
PERINO: Little cotton candy on the way out.
PERINO: Next year we should go to the fair. We have been trying for four years.
RIVERA: That's a great idea.
BOLLING: All right, coming up.
BOLLING: Embassy reopens in Cuba after 54 years. Is it something to celebrate? We'll debate that. And later, Facebook Friday, go to facebook.com/thefivefnc and post your questions for us. Yours might be answered.
PERINO: All right. For the first time in more than half a century, the American flag is flying over the U.S. Embassy in Cuba. John Kerry presided over the symbolic ceremony earlier in Havana.
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JOHN KERRY, SECRETARY OF STATE: It doesn't take a GPS to realize that the road of mutual isolation and estrangement that the United States and Cuba were traveling was not the right one, and that the time has come for us to move in a more promising direction, time to unfurl our flags, raise them up, and let the world know that we wish each other well.
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PERINO: Cuban dissidents were not invited to the event, raising ire from presidential candidate, Marco Rubio. He's taking aim at the administration for the exclusion and for reopening the embassy all together.
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MARCO RUBIO, 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You know who's not going to be there? All these people in Cuba that are fighting for freedom and democracy, fighting them in and they take to the streets, they protest, they are rounded up, arrested and beaten. None of them was invited to this event. We have an existing law that governs our relationship with Cuba. It's called the Cuban Democracy Act. And it says that in order for U.S. policy to change, the Cubans must make changes, too. As president, I would impose that policy. When I'm president we won't. We won't have an embassy in Cuba. We should -- I would not diplomatically recognize an illegitimate government.
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PERINO: All right, Gutfeld. The other thing that John Kerry said in his speech was that -- and the Cuban people were prisoners of history. As if the Americans put them in prison.
PERINO: It was actually the Castro's.
GUTFELD: That's a value-free comment. There is no good or evil in that whatsoever. Two points, Cuba deserves nothing from us until they send back Joanne Chesimard who killed Werner Foster, the New Jersey state troopers. They're harboring terrorist and killers of our police officers. Number two, I always find when I read history. There's this eternal law. There's a direct relationship between no freedom of press and mass brutality and atrocity. Because, why else would you suppress -- why would you not have press freedom? To hide such crimes. So clearly, there's stuff -- whoops. There's stuff going on in Cuba that's really, really bad. And we don't know about it because they have no press freedom. So there's obviously brutality happening, there's dissidents being punished and we are supporting it by doing this.
PERINO: You would have thought, Katie, though, the United States would be in a stronger position, to at least insist that some people that have been working their whole life in danger for freedom of speech could have at least been invited to the United States event.
PAVLICH: That's the question. I mean, what are we getting out of this? I mean, John Kerry said today, that we may not see eye to eye on everything, but it's like well, can we see eye to eye on the very basic things? Like, I don't know, human rights and free speech and democracy? We're certainly not getting any respect in return and the people who have risked their lives, whose families have fled Cuba to come to the United States to experience those things. By the way, they weren't even inviting there today when we're raising up the American flag in some ceremony that really doesn't mean anything, so it's just symbolism. Doesn't mean anything when it comes to moving forward with people actually having some kind of future in that country, we've got nothing from it and nothing's going to change.
PERINO: You like this deal, though, right? Like you think in the long run it's a good thing.
BOLLING: So there are two parts of the deal. What I do like is opening the trade up with Cuba. I think that's what we have to do. I think there are literally tens of thousands of jobs that we can export to Cuba to rebuild a country that needs to be rebuilt. There are billions of dollars that can -- of agriculture, we can sell to them as well. The diplomatic side of it, and I think that's what - I think Greg was hitting on, that certainly what a lot of people are hitting on, I think you did as well -- in Marco Rubio, certainly. So I would agree with that. I would say, unless all these human rights atrocities and releasing some of the American people we need back, then don't open up your embassy and don't recognize them diplomatically, but certainly open up the markets because it's a win for us. Yes, it's a win for them, too. And it's -- would probably work its way to the diplomatic side.
GUTFELD: If the money goes to the workers, but.
PERINO: It won't.
PAVLICH: It won't.
PERINO: They'll be paid in pesos. What do you think? I know you like this deal.
RIVERA: I agree with Eric on trade. I think that it is beneficial to both countries. Marco Rubio is the current spokesman for the Cuban exiled community which has had disproportionate distorting power over American foreign policy now for more than half a century. It is preposterous his notion that we're going to close our embassy as soon as he's elected because he doesn't approve of the government. Then are we also going to close our embassy through half of Africa, half of Asia? It is an immature position. It is absolutely against American interests. We have to have relations with Cuba, 90 miles from our coast. Ten times the size of Puerto Rico. For goodness sake, this one tiny community in the pre-Puerto Rican immigration to Puerto Rico days could swing the state of Florida as they did in the year 2000. They no longer have that kind of power. Cuba and the United States will have normal relations as we do with Vietnam. We have 50,000 American G.I.'s died as we did with the Germany and Japan and all our other enemies. You have relations. You talk to the enemies as well as.
PAVLICH: What has changed with the Cuban regime that we should be having this open relation? What was.
PAVLICH: Changed about how the Cubans are treating their people that we should be doing this. What has change?
RIVERA: What has changed with all of the desperate in Africa?
RIVERA: Why is Cuba different?
PAVLICH: Why is the Cuban government are sending people and saying that they are allowed.
RIVERA: Cuba is treated differently only because of the disproportionate political power of this one click.
GUTFELD: Communist, were 90 miles away, 90 miles away and they're communists.
RIVERA: Furthermore, we should get rid of Guantanamo Bay, that shyster's ploy to evade the United States Constitution. There's plenty of room in American supermax for penitentiary, for those - the people are being detained at enormous cost. It is an absolute lawyer's trick, a shyster's ploy to evade the United States Constitution.
PAVLICH: What about the people in Cuba. You claim that this group in the United States who has had, you know a monopoly on Cuban policy and changed policy.
BOLLING: They have.
PAVLICH: What about the people in Cuba, the dissidents in Cuba who have been jailed and beaten and killed and tortured that has been kidnapped for decades of the Castro regime. Castro regime hasn't changed at all.
RIVERA: We have relations with China. China invented the kind of abuse.
GUTFELD: Even its 90 miles away.
RIVERA: They kind of abuse (inaudible).
PERINO: Well, and by the way.
RIVERA: This is not the way we do.
PERINO: That's not the question.
PAVLICH: That's not the question, but.
RIVERA: You don't do diplomacy with people that you like.
PAVLICH: What about the dissidents?
RIVERA: It is such a sophomoric notion.
BOLLING: Can I throw something out there? Why not start with the economic, with the trade? Open up trade. And it is.
RIVERA: That's how you're going to.
BOLLING: It will be is up a leverage and apple for them to go after.
BOLLING: That they will, maybe fix.
RIVERA: There are free Cuba with iPhones and American programming.
PERINO: They are not allowed to have (inaudible).
GUTFELD: The workers are going to get their money.
BOLLING: But a President Rubio could close the embassy, and once the Cubans get the feel for the American dollar.
RIVERA: That back into the (inaudible).
GUTFELD: I think they should use the embassy as an extension of GITMO. Take the shoulders from GITMO and be the prisoners from GITMO and put them in the embassies. Then we both win, Geraldo.
RIVERA: What about put them in the state fair in Iowa?
PERINO: And by -- I was just -- I'm going to take the last word, which is that a lot of the people that are in Cuba that you're accusing of having way too much power, they actually cared enough to come to America and fought for their freedom. And you have their every right to advocate for what they believe in for their people.
Still to come, thank God, it is Facebook Friday. But first, Army Chief of Staff Ray Odierno retired today. Before stepping down, he spoke to Fox news about the rise of ISIS in Iraq. He says it could have been prevented. And you're going to hear why, up next.
RIVERA: Today, a great American retired after nearly four decades of fine service to our country. The chief of staff of the United States army, General Ray Odierno said goodbye at a ceremony in Virginia, earlier today.
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GEN. RAY ODIERNO, OUTGOING ARMY CHIEF OF STAFF: I'm going to paraphrase a quote from Lou Gehrig when he said, "I'm the luckiest man in the world." I feel like I've been luckiest man in the world to serve the military for 39 years alongside incredible soldiers of tremendous courage, dedication and commitment. That's been my honor for 39 years. And I will never, never forget it.
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RIVERA: At his final news conference Wednesday, the four-star general voiced his frustration about the rise of ISIS in Iraq, as you might expect, and he suggested that if ISIS poses a direct threat to the United States, we may need to put boots on the ground.
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ODIERNO: It's frustrating to look at what's happened inside of Iraq. I believed a couple of years ago, in 2010-11, we had it in a place that was really heading in the right direction. We should probably absolutely consider embedding some soldiers to see if that would make a difference.
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RIVERA: General Odierno spent more time in Iraq than any other U.S. general. He was our top commander there for a couple of years. He wanted to keep troops there in 2011 when our agreement with Iraq ended. But he could not, because we could not come to an agreement on status of forces. The United States then, in a kind of a pique, I think prematurely pulled out.
I happened, Eric, to be on the last combat convoy out of Iraq December 18, 2011. I'll never forget it. Looking in the rear-view mirror at the base we left heading into Kuwait from Iraq, as soon as we cleared the property, swarms of Iraqis were climbing over the fences to take over our Ford F-150s and our -- the other equipment we left behind. It just seemed to me that we wanted out, and the Iraqis did not agree to the status of forces agreement because they wanted to loot everything we left behind.
BOLLING: Interesting. Very, very interesting. Thank you for that. But what we need to point out is what General Odierno said right there. He was concerned with the rise of ISIS.
And what we found out today also was that ISIS -- apparently, the U.S. officials today said that ISIS was using mustard gas to kill Kurdish forces. They are clearly stepped up the fight. They're taking tactics that may require, I don't know, maybe a strategy, maybe a new strategy, maybe a more aggressive strategy out of the Obama administration.
RIVERA: Katie, do you think that boots on the ground would be something the American people would accept at this point?
PAVLICH: Yes. If you look at polling actually now, the American people are on the side that this has become a bigger threat. I think actually now the polling shows that people believe that only American troops are going to be able to stop this, and we should stop wasting our time training these people who really aren't capable of getting the job done.
But what I think was most important today was General Odierno's stating that the president hasn't reached out to him for a direct plan to attack ISIS. And that's really important. Because when it comes to the status of forces agreement, that was never about making an agreement with Iraq or anything else. That was about President Obama leaving on a political promise. That's all it was about. He never...
RIVERA: Bush negotiated the deal. Don't distort history.
PAVLICH: No, he did not.
PAVLICH: He did not. No, he did not. Barack Obama...
RIVERA: Dana was there. Dana, who negotiated the deal to leave in 2011?
PAVLICH: ... question. I mean, Barack Obama made a promise when he was running for president that he was going to leave Iraq. He did everything he could to do that. He did it.
And the reason he didn't ask General Odierno for a plan is because it brings up the fact that the president left on a political promise. And that makes him look bad. And that's the No. 1 priority for the president. And he's not going to bring it up, and he's not going to ask for a plan.
And he has no intention of actually defeating ISIS, because it goes back to the beginning of he left on a political issue that has been -- had detrimental effects on Christianity in the country, on the Iraqi people in the country and the future of the Middle East.
RIVERA: Dana, when you were there in 2008 is when the treaty was negotiated.
PERINO: They attempted -- they attempted to finish it.
RIVERA: They were going to leave in 2011.
PERINO: There was an attempt to finish it.
RIVERA: They were going to. Now, my question is...
PERINO: There was an attempt to finish it.
RIVERA: An attempt to finish what?
PERINO: The status of forces agreement. And because in December of 2008 Maliki did not want to come to the final agreement, President Bush in working with the transition team of Barack Obama, they hand over the baton. And this is how you do a professional transition, because there are ongoing issues. And when -- and the Maliki government at that point was actually fairly stable.
Let me just tell you one thing. One thing we haven't talked about at all is, how did this actually start? How do we have chemical weapons in the hands of ISIS? Go back to the red line. And remember that day that's when Obama wrecked the world. And you can see all of that playing out. And you can see the Kurds being attacked now with mustard gas. We have Turkey involved.
We have a bigger problem on our hands than we did if President Obama would have just been supported at the time by his Democrats on the red line comment.
RIVERA: I think, Greg, that the American people still to this day want out of the Middle East. Do you think that we're going to stay there forever?
GUTFELD: It's a different -- it's a different world. You can see everything that's happening. Right now the Middle East has become heaven for rapists. If you -- even now the "New York Times" is saying stuff that we knew all along, that women are being raped as an enticement to get people over there.
GUTFELD: If you have -- if you have that kind of strength to look away and say, "I don't see solutions for this" when you know there's a solution, you fight evil.
RIVERA: I just have to ask you, Katie's point. When you were there, did President George W. Bush negotiate or deal...?
PERINO: I don't remember what the final...
RIVERA: ... with a particular general or with the joint chiefs of staff?
PERINO: Of course. Like, if you read his book in "Decision Points," he talks about specifically talking with David Petraeus before the surge announcement. That was actually David Petraeus's plan.
Ray Odierno, how I actually got to know him a little bit was because he was in the Oval Office talking to the president. But not outside the chain of command. He was working through the Pentagon.
But I would also say that this boots on the ground idea? Not out of the mainstream. Donald Trump this week said that we should send troops to fight ISIS and get their oil. So apparently, it's all OK now. It's no longer the hot stove.
RIVERA: And interesting. General Odierno, for the record, disagreed with Donald Trump and said so in that press conference.
PERINO: Thank goodness.
RIVERA: Stay tuned. "Facebook Friday" is next.
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GUTFELD: Yes. "90210," people. We answer your questions now, because it's "Facebook Friday."
All right. We'll start with you, Dana. We're going to go around this way. Let's start here, because I'm stupid. All right. This is from Dylan h.: "What is your favorite cocktail?"
PERINO: Well, I can't drink hard alcohol, or I'll get sick.
GUTFELD: Come on. You must have something.
PERINO: No, I just drink red wine. That's all. I drink a lot of it.
GUTFELD: Yes, you do. You are -- you're a lush. You're what they call a wino. They don't use the phrase wino anymore. I'm a wino.
PERINO: That's one thing they call me.
GUTFELD: Well, on Twitter. You're -- "W" in name only. I don't know what -- all right. What is your favorite cocktail?
BOLLING: So going out on Thursday nights, it's always an Absolut with club soda, always. And on a Saturday or Sunday over the weekend...
PERINO: Wait. I thought it was called something else come on.
BOLLING: Well, that's what it is.
PERINO: Come on. Tell everybody. You know what the drink is called.
BOLLING: I know exactly why he did this. Because over the summer there's a double rum drink that I like. It's pirate rum and a little touch of...
BOLLING: And everyone says, you know.
PERINO: And you have a special name for it.
BOLLING: It's called Magic Juice. All right? It's fantastic.
But beer? Always been a Blue Moon. But I also tried a Not Your Father's Root Beer. Have you ever tried one of these? Wow. Fantastic. It's hard root beer. It's fantastic.
GUTFELD: I'm going to have to look that one up.
Geraldo has a bar. By the way, he has a bar in his office.
RIVERA: I do.
GUTFELD: Talk about the 1970s, huh? You are "Mad Men."
RIVERA: I am.
GUTFELD: Yes. What do you drink?
RIVERA: If I want to be aggressive and feisty and want to fight, I drink tequila shots.
RIVERA: If I just want a buzz I drink Tangueray gin martinis with extra olives, dirty. And if I want to just be pleasant, Cuba Libre, Free Cuba, which is Bacardi rum, which was originally a Cuban company. Now based in Puerto Rico.
PERINO: Free the Cuban government or the people?
PAVLICH: Are they allowed to drink that in Cuba?
PAVLICH: I would go with red wine. But I also enjoy a good margarita, for sure.
BOLLING: With salt?
BOLLING: Straight up? Rocks?
PAVLICH: Straight up.
BOLLING: There you go.
GUTFELD: You know what I do now? I'm drinking a lot of Dark and Stormies. You know what that is? Gosling dark rum, ginger beer, a little bit of the old -- what do you call...
PERINO: Is that why your stomach is all screwed up?
GUTFELD: Yes. That might be it, but it's awesome.
BOLLING: Ginger beer is rough after two of those.
GUTFELD: That's why I stop at eight.
All right. We're going to go this way now. So Katie, be alert.
GUTFELD: "If you could sit on a bench" -- why a bench? This is from Lynne P. -- "If you could sit on a bench and chat for one hour with someone from the past or present, who would it be?"
PAVLICH: Probably my grandpa on my dad's side. Because I never got to meet him. And he seems like a really interesting guy. He's in the Arizona high school football hall of fame.
PAVLICH: He grew up working as a teacher in a tiny mining town. He's the son of immigrants. So that would probably be someone I'd want to sit and have a chat with. An hour is probably not long enough, though.
GUTFELD: Geraldo, you can't say yourself.
RIVERA: Teddy Roosevelt.
GUTFELD: Teddy Roosevelt?
RIVERA: I like his attitude. I like what he -- the way he handled the country, the world. I like his optimism, his energy, his outdoor enthusiasm.
PERINO: He did a lot.
RIVERA: He did a lot. He's a good...
GUTFELD: He's up on that rock thing.
RIVERA: He is up there.
GUTFELD: I don't know what that thing's called. Never been there. Not enough time to look at a big rock with a face on it. If I want that I can go to Sixth Avenue. Eric.
BOLLING: Right. This is true. Steve Jobs. The guy -- he was so innovative, and he had so many -- he started with nothing. He was told he can't do it. He was told the Apple, the Macintosh wasn't going to work. And he kept forging through. And he literally changed the way everything works now. I mean, I would love to have one hour with him.
PERINO: Steve jobs wrecked the world.
BOLLING: Well, some would say that.
RIVERA: Clearly wrecked vacations.
BOLLING: That's true.
PERINO: Well, I'm going to copy Katie. But I actually had to answer this question the other day on a questionnaire. And it would be my paternal great-grandfather, because I'm older. Because I never got to meet him. And they left Italy in the late 1800s. They homesteaded. They built this ranch. He had no idea that, 100 years later I would walk out of the other side of his American dream.
GUTFELD: Oh, that's sweet.
I'd say my mom.
PERINO: Yes. Of course.
GUTFELD: All right. Let's go this way. Janice H. says, "Name your favorite grade school teacher."
PERINO: Mrs. Rittenbaum.
GUTFELD: Everybody knows right off the bat.
PERINO: She used to do this thing where we would go on a trip.
PERINO: So she set up the desks like we were on an airplane. And then wherever we were going, she would read us a story about that place. And then when you arrived there, you would have a snack from that country. And I remember going to Madagascar, and I had a pomegranate.
PERINO: I remember like it was yesterday.
GUTFELD: Wow. Maybe it was.
BOLLING: Mrs. Core, my first-grade teacher. Homeroom teacher. I think we stayed in the same room the whole time back then. I learned how to read from Mrs. Core.
GUTFELD: There you go.
RIVERA: Miss Bauman, fourth grade. The first memory I have, really, of school, and I had a crush on her.
PERINO: Of course.
BOLLING: Of course.
GUTFELD: And I'm sure it was consummated.
RIVERA: Yes. That's the stories these days.
BOLLING: How old?
RIVERA: Fourth grade.
PAVLICH: Mr. Piper in sixth grade was my favorite grade school teacher. One of the best years of my life, actually.
PERINO: Sixth grade?
PAVLICH: They took us to the Grand Canyon for a field trip.
PAVLICH: Which was really fun. I used to know all the layers of the rocks in the Grand Canyon.
PERINO: I did, too. You grew up out west, that's what...
RIVERA: We're both Wildcats, you know, both Arizona Wildcats.
GUTFELD: Yes. In more ways than one, Geraldo, you wildcat.
PERINO: Speak for Geraldo.
GUTFELD: I say whoever teaches you to read. As soon as you learn to read, you'll probably remember that. Mrs. Ellingston. I think that was her name, in first grade at first grade at St. Gregory's. Though I'm not sure.
Anyway, Mr. Dom Persing, my physics teacher. He was pretty good. All right.
PERINO: You had physics?
GUTFELD: Yes. It was high school physics.
RIVERA: This is really fascinating.
GUTFELD: It is, Geraldo. All right. Ahead the left is not going to believe that "Sesame Street" can survive without the government's help, next.
PAVLICH: All right. Well, the left nearly lost their marbles when Mitt Romney said he would cut funding to PBS if voters put him in the White House.
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MITT ROMNEY (R), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I'm going to stop the subsidy to PBS. I'm going to stop other things. I like PBS. I love Big Bird. I actually like you, too. But I'm not going to -- I'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from China to pay for it.
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PAVLICH: And while President Obama mocked Romney for daring to stop the money flow to "Sesame Street"...
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: He's decided we're going after Big Bird and Elmo's making a run for the border. Oscar's hiding out in a trash can. Governor Romney wants to let Wall Street run wild again, but he's going to bring down the hammer on "Sesame Street."
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PAVLICH: Big Bird, first-world problem.
But it turns out that Big Bird can take care of himself without taxpayer help at all. He's self-sufficient. Sesame Street Workshop has just struck a deal, a five-season deal with non-publicly-funded HBO.
And Greg, what do you think about saving Big Bird from the governor?
GUTFELD: I do not understand the appeal of "Sesame Street." I think it's personally offensive and destructive.
First you have the Cookie Monster. I guess it's cool to make fun of eating disorders. I guess that's funny. Oscar the Grouch. He's got intermittent explosive disorder. He's probably on some medication, because he lives in a can. "Oh, let's make fun of these people." These are all micro- aggressions that require trigger warnings. I am hurt.
PAVLICH: Would you let your kid watch HBO, Eric? When they're little?
BOLLING: I don't...
PAVLICH: This is on HBO?
BOLLING: It's got to be one of the HBO family type channels, I would hope. Because you don't want them mixing with some of the other programming.
You know, it's free market. That's it. Free market works. It's always worked. And anyone who claims differently is wrong. You have a product that's popular. So everyone is beloved of "Sesame Street." When you bring it to the free market, it's probably going to make a ton of money, too.
PAVLICH: So Geraldo, don't you think that, if PBS can survive without taxpayer money, that all these -- a lot of other things can, too?
RIVERA: Absolutely. I agree with Eric, it should be free market. There's so many different outlets now. There should be no subsidies to PBS. There should be no subsidies to NPR.
PAVLICH: That's true.
RIVERA: All of these public, you know, outfits should be forced to raise their own money, go to the marketplace. They exist fine. They do good programming.
GUTFELD: I don't want to bake a cake for Ernie and Bert.
PAVLICH: Oh, well. That's just...
RIVERA: But one thing that says about "Sesame Street," though. It was ground-breaking in terms of diversity.
PAVLICH: Dana, did you wear yellow today because you knew we were doing this story?
PERINO: No. But you know what? Maybe there is some sort of common thing, because I loved "Sesame Street." I'd drop everything to watch it. I had every, like animal -- all -- like what do you call them, like little toys?
PERINO: And then I had one of those houses that opened up. There was a "Sesame Street" townhouse. You'd open it up.
GUTFELD: Yes. You could live in there.
PERINO: I could live in there.
PAVLICH: She's living there now.
PERINO: I hid in it. That's where I played hide and go seek.
PAVLICH: Well, all right. Well, "One More Thing" is up next.
BOLLING: Time for "One More Thing," and Gregory starts us off.
GUTFELD: Show Sunday night. I've got Mark Cuban and Penn Jillette, which is going to be a lot of fun. Ten p.m., FOX News, Sunday night.
But it's time for...
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GUTFELD: What the Heck is That?
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GUTFELD: All right. I want everybody here to take a look at this. I'm going to go around the table. I want you to guess what this is. Roll the tape, people. We don't have time.
All right. There it is. Look at that cute little thing. Let's start around the table. Katie, what do you -- what would you call that?
PAVLICH: A giant rodent.
GUTFELD: That's not specific enough. Geraldo.
RIVERA: A yew?
GUTFELD: A yew? No. But interesting to say use of vowel -- Eric.
BOLLING: I think I've seen these things in Mexico. These -- something about cat?
GUTFELD: No. I think you're close. You're close.
GUTFELD: You had the consonant there.
GUTFELD: No. Yes, that's a hairy -- that's a pig.
PERINO: Pigs do have hair.
GUTFELD: You grew up on a farm.
PERINO: Pigs have hair.
GUTFELD; That is a capybara.
GUTFELD: Capy -- yes.
GUTFELD: The world's largest rodent.
PERINO: She was right, too.
PAVLICH: I was right.
GUTFELD: She didn't have a name! You have to have a name!
RIVERA: Large rodent.
GUTFELD: Anyway, offspring of Buttercup and Wesley. Yes, there's a male capybara named Wesley.
PERINO: There would have to be.
GUTFELD: I don't know. My life is over.
BOLLING: All right. They want me to go. So tonight a very special "O'Reilly Factor".
RIVERA: That was, like, worse than the Facebook.
BOLLING: This is the election 2016 special tonight. There's some new polling that's going to come out, I guess maybe in the next few minutes. And it may be very, very interesting. Some things I don't know what it is. But we'll definitely hit on that.
And we're going to preview the Iowa State Fair. All the things, all the candidates that are going to be there.
OK? Who's up next? Dana.
PERINO: I am. I want to wish a congratulations to Jenna and Henry Hager. Jenna Bush Hager, who gave birth to a new baby girl, Poppy Louise. And Poppy is the name that her grandfather, Bush 41, went by during his childhood. And the president and Mrs. Bush released a picture with Mila there. That's the older sister. So congratulations to them and to all the Bush family.
BOLLING: Yes. Congratulations.
OK, Geraldo, you're up.
RIVERA: Everyone remembers how panicked New York was in the Ebola scare, where nobody died. We have a legitimate epidemic in New York. Twelve people have died. I'm serious about this. One hundred and twenty-two have been infected. Legionnaire's Disease. Why have we not heard anything about it? The city's inept response to the Legionnaire's Disease outbreak, a dozen dead.
You know why? Because it's in the Bronx. If it was in Manhattan, it would have been a big story.
GUTFELD: But Geraldo, it's also everywhere in New York. It's all over. But that's why they don't want to talk about
RIVERA: But because it's in the south Bronx, it's like in -- it's like in a third world country. It doesn't bother us.
GUTFELD: You've got a progressive mayor.
RIVERA: A progressive mayor.
RIVERA: He represents Brooklyn. He doesn't represent the Bronx. I've got two grandchildren in the Bronx.
PAVLICH: Who does?
PAVLICH: OK. Guess what? They discovered the biggest shark they've ever discovered. Its name is Deep Blue. Look how giant it is. It's 20 feet long and 50 years old.
PAVLICH: And she's pregnant!
RIVERA: Where is she?
PAVLICH: So she's going to have another puppy. Let's see. They're called puppies. Sharks have puppies.
PERINO: They are?
PAVLICH: Yes, they are.
PERINO: Shark puppies?
PAVLICH: Yes. Near Isla Guadalupe...
PERINO: Very nice.
PAVLICH: ... off the coast of Mexico. So keep that in mind next time you go on your Mexican vacation. Don't get mad at me for saying that, Mexico. But there you go. The biggest shark they've ever video-cameraed.
PERINO: Very good.
RIVERA: My wife -- my wife Erica saw "Jaws 3" when she was a child. She still doesn't swim in the ocean.
BOLLING: Got to leave it there. That's it for us. Have a great weekend. "Special Report" on deck.
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