Gingrich explains appeal of 'outsider' candidates; Fiorina says Clinton 'lied'

Presidential candidate explains why she is outspoken on 'Hannity'


This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," August 13, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: Welcome to "Hannity." We have huge news tonight regarding Hillary Clinton and her private e-mail server. Could the explosive new information actually send her to jail? We'll get into that in just a few minutes.

But first, can Donald Trump's momentum be stopped? The Republican front-runner continues to now surge in popularity among potential 2016 voters.

Here to break down all the latest is "Fox & Friends First" co-host, our friend, Ainsley Earhardt -- Ainsley.

AINSLEY EARHARDT, CO-HOST, "FOX & FRIENDS FIRST": Hey, Sean. Yes, it's unbelievable, isn't it. The big question this week has been how would Donald Trump do in the polls after some very strong debate performances from his 2016 rivals? And the answer is not much has changed for the billionaire businessman.

Four polls out earlier this week bring some very good news for the Trump campaign. In the latest national poll from Rasmussen, Trump holds the top spot with 17 percent of the voters saying he would be their pick for president. That is a very strong lead over Senator Marco Rubio and Governor Jeb Bush, who are tied now for second with 10 percent.

In the very important state of Iowa, which we know can make or break a lot of campaigns, the new CNN/ORC poll shows that Trump is in first place with 22 percent, while Dr. Ben Carson sits in second place with 14 percent.

Now, thing are a little bit tighter in New Hampshire. A Franklin Pierce University/Boston Herald poll has Trump beating Jeb Bush by 5 points with 18 percent, while Ohio governor John Kasich comes in third with 12 percent.

And finally, Sean -- this might be the most important poll number so far for Donald Trump -- the new CNN/ORC poll asked Iowa voters which candidate they thought would be able to change the way that Washington works. And as you can see, Trump dominates this area with 44 percent. The rest of the candidates failed to crack double digits.

So Sean, we're going to be keeping a close eye on these polls as they continue to change. Back to you.

HANNITY: All right, Ainsley. I think that 44 percent number is going to be huge. We'll see that, I think, more of those numbers in the future.  Thank you so much.

Now, it looks like we are seeing voters moving toward the outsider, the insurgent candidates like Trump and Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina, also Senator Ted Cruz. They've all been rising in the polls. Many feel that they're ones most dedicated to fixing our broken governmental system, and some of their campaign events -- well, it's tough to argue. Just watch this, for example.


DONALD TRUMP, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: They said, Donald Trump has too strong a tone! Too strong!  We have heads being chopped off because they're Christian in the Middle East. We have borders where people are being killed all over. The world is cracking up, and they're worried about my tone!

SEN. TED CRUZ, R-TEXAS, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: ... that there's a bipartisan corruption of career politicians in both parties who get in bed with the lobbyists! If you think we need to bring power back from Washington to we the people, that's what this campaign is all about!

CARLY FIORINA, R- PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The highest calling of leadership is to challenge the status quo. We need someone who can challenge the status quo of Washington, D.C., not someone who's been in the political process all their lives.

DR. BEN CARSON, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And we have to change the direction of our country. And we have the ability to do it.


HANNITY: Here with analysis, we welcome him back -- it's been a long time. He's been someplace, I don't know, far away. Anyway, welcome back, speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich. Mr. Speaker, how are you, sir?

NEWT GINGRICH, FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER:  I'm doing great. And what a remarkable opening to the show.

HANNITY: You know, you -- can we argue this early -- we're five-and- a-half months away from the Iowa caucuses -- that this is the year of the insurgent, when you look at the poll numbers of Donald Trump and Ted Cruz and Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina and Bernie Sanders? What do you think?

GINGRICH: Look, I don't see any way that the Washington establishment can avoid the reality in -- I just took Fiorina, Trump and Carson, and in Michigan, they're now 47 percent of the Republican vote. If you add in Ted Cruz, it's over 50 percent of the Republican vote.

I mean, what you have is a nation which is fed up with politics as usual, business as usual, government as usual. And they are sending some of the strongest signals I've ever seen.

And you're exactly right. Sanders is sending a very similar signal in the Democratic Party. He now leads in New Hampshire. He had 27,000 people in Los Angeles the other night. Over the weekend, he had a total of 70,000 people in Washington state, Oregon and California. That's pretty amazing turnout this early in the campaign.

HANNITY: Let me show you just one little snippet of what I think might highlight exactly what it is that I'm talking about here in terms of insurgent candidates. This is Donald Trump -- short video, Instagram, ripping Hillary and Obama for having fun while the world is burning. Watch this.


HANNITY: Politicians having fun on our dime -- Jihadi John holding a knife, Obama playing golf, Benghazi burning, Hillary and Bill dancing.  This seems to be resonating. Reaction.

GINGRICH: Well, I think it does -- it does resignate (sic). And I think what's happened is people have also been through several cycles where politicians campaigned and said they would change things, but they didn't change things.

And if you look at the governorships, for example, you see a lot of places where people made real changes and where the governors are actually pretty popular as a result. And by the way, a lot of those the governors are businessmen.

This is one of the things to notice about both Carly Fiorina and Donald Trump, and for that matter, in terms of being a professional outside politics, Dr. Carson. People around the country have elected governors with no political experience who were very successful in business. Look at Michigan, look at Illinois, look at Florida, look at Maryland. And I think it's because people want somebody who can get things done.

HANNITY: Let me -- I don't know if you had a chance to see the interview with Donald Trump from earlier this week. He got into more specifics on immigration, on Mexico, on tax policy, on ISIS, on health care savings accounts -- that had been a big criticism even in The Wall Street Journal -- giving very specific answers. Does that help him?

GINGRICH: Well, I watched that on -- the interview with you, and I thought to myself, Here's a guy -- for example, I hadn't really thought about it, but here's a guy who has spent hundreds of millions of dollars buying health insurance for all of his employees. He knows a lot about health insurance and a lot about the cost of health care. I was very impressed.

HANNITY: Let me -- all right, let me go to the Democratic side (INAUDIBLE) Let's look at Bernie Sanders. Now, this is the New Hampshire poll, the Suffolk poll that came out, Franklin Pierce University -- I'm sorry -- Boston Herald poll. And look at this. If you go back just to March, Hillary was up by 37 points. She's now down 7, 44-37. That's outside the margin of error.

I'm going to get into the Clinton e-mail server scandal in a second here. Bernie Sanders got 28,000 people in Los Angeles, 28,000 people in Portland, Oregon. Is he -- is a 73-year-old socialist curmudgeon now a threat to Hillary Clinton?

GINGRICH: As somebody said to me a while ago -- actually, Alex Smith of the College Republicans, said he represents the Woodstock generation...


GINGRICH: ... that this is -- again, of course, that's not very far from Vermont -- that this is gathering of all of the old left. This is their last great crusade. And here's one of them.

But remember, in the Democratic Party, a true-believing socialist has a 35 or 40 percent base. So any Democrat who takes Sanders lightly may find out by next summer he's their nominee. And Hillary is a decaying commodity. You know, I always knew she would decay because of corruption because you can't allow Bill to be near $2 billion and not expect some level of corruption.

I never thought they would be as arrogant and as stupid, as I'm sure we'll talk about in the next section -- in segment in terms of what she's done with her e-mails. I mean, this is so dumb and so beyond any reasonable defense that I think it's just going to keep grinding her up every week.

HANNITY: All right, last question on this part, then we'll get into the e-mail server issue. Do you see a scenario in which Donald Trump can become the nominee, or Ben Carson or Carly or Ted Cruz, and Bernie Sanders on the other side? Is that -- in other words, has all -- does this defy conventional political gravity?

GINGRICH: Look, you've known me a long time, and you know how much I've studied this business. In the end, the American people are sovereign.  If they end up deciding they want Donald Trump or they want Bernie Sanders or they want Carly Fiorina or they want a Dr. Carson, they're going to run right over the establish.

Anybody who tells you it can't happen knows nothing of American history. In America, the people actually do decide in the end, not money, not media, the people. And it is fascinating to watch.

HANNITY: You know what?

GINGRICH: I think you're seeing something historic.

HANNITY: I think you're right. All right, we'll have more with former speaker of the House Newt Gingrich. It's great to have him back, when we come back. So that's all coming up straight ahead.

Also, right after the break, we'll also have damaging new developments about the Hillary Clinton server scandal. We'll get the details. Mike Emanuel standing by in with the full report.

Also later tonight, Ann Coulter weighs in on the Trump candidacy. And Carly Fiorina is here tonight to react to the Clinton server scandal. Does she think Hillary should go to jail? Does she want a full criminal investigation, straight ahead.



HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Tonight, new evidence of a possible criminal cover-up to hide what was really on Hillary Clinton's private e-mail server. Now, according to The Washington Post, the Clinton campaign handed over her server to the FBI yesterday, but it was blank.  Now, we're also learning tonight about how the classified and even top secret information may have ended up in Clinton's private e-mail inbox.

Here with a full report tonight is our own Mike Emanuel in Washington -- Mike.

MIKE EMANUEL, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Well, Sean, sources tell FOX News the nature of electronic evidence makes it very difficult to be tampered with. They say even erasing media will leave an electronic trail.

Meanwhile, attorneys for Clinton, her former chief of staff, Cheryl Mills, and close aide Huma Abedin have in writing assured the State Department they will not delete any potential federal records in their possession.

Clinton has said she never sent or received anything marked classified, which led to these questions today from FOX.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Has the State Department been able to determine whether each of the four classified e-mails sent to Secretary Clinton's server originated within the State Department or whether they originated within another agency?

JOHN KIRBY, STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESMAN: I don't have any updates for you in terms of original sourcing. We have no indications that there were any -- that there was at all any stripping of classification markings.


EMANUEL: Yet a senior State Department source expressed concern to FOX that it is possible someone might have stripped the classification markings before it was sent to Clinton's personal e-mail.


BILL HARLOW, FORMER CIA SPOKESMAN: Top secret information is information which the definition says, if it is exposed, it could cause exceptionally grave damage to national security. So taking off the classification markings and exposing it to potential compromise is a very serious offense.


EMANUEL: And a former senior FBI official says Hillary Clinton should have known she was a target as the nation's top diplomat and perhaps future president.


RONALD HOSKO, FORMER FBI ASST. DIRECTOR: Hillary Rodham Clinton is an extremely high-value target to foreign actors from a cyber -- from a cyber- intrusion, hacking perspective. She is among the top. She's fourth in line to the presidency. And so she is a quite obvious target for those who would want to steal U.S. government information, which we see occurring daily.


EMANUEL: And Hosko calls this matter astounding and incredibly disappointing -- Sean.

HANNITY: All right, Mike Emanuel in Washington tonight.

And that's not all. The Hill is reporting that Democrats are now panicking over the Clinton server scandal. They should be.

Back with us now, former speaker of the House Newt Gingrich. If you look at stripping the classification marking -- here's the interesting thing. Inspectors general, literally, they looked at 40 e-mails, a small sampling of the 30,000 or the 55,000 pages, as she calls it. They look at 40. They found four classified documents, two top secret in the -- in the -- out of the four that they had of (ph) 40. That's 10 percent.

Now, so they've got 30,000-plus more e-mails that they've got to go through. If it's 10 percent, we're talking about 3,000.

So that means she lied when she said she never had classified information on her server. And that really would give context and texture to the idea, why would anybody wipe their server clean? Why did she decide which e-mails to delete? How bad do you think this is going to get for her?

GINGRICH: Well, first of all, as you just heard in that report, I suspect that the technology people at the Federal Bureau of investigation are going to be able to go back and pull up not just the so-called official e-mails, but also pull up the ones she deleted earlier. Now, if they can do that, now you're going to have something like 55,000 e-mails to look at.

Second, I have to confess, having dealt with secret information for a very long time, both as a member of Congress and as speaker, and later as a member of the Defense Policy Board, I can't imagine why the secretary of state would set up a separate e-mail system and would have, basically, open source passage of secret information. And I can't imagine why her two top staff would have allowed her to do it.

I mean, you have to wonder, what was the conversation like...

HANNITY: It's a great point.

GINGRICH: ... when they sat in a room together. It's not just her, but it's also her staff. And they're all sitting there and they're saying, You know, we're going to be so clever. We're going to take secret information.

And there's no question they were taking secret information because the truth is, you can't operate as secretary of state and personally make the decision of what is secret or not secret because you don't know enough about the context of each e-mail.

HANNITY: Let me play for you a comment that John Kerry made, staggering, breath-taking in light of what we're discussing tonight, about his e-mail and who may be hacking into his system. Watch this.


JOHN KERRY, SECRETARY OF STATE: Unfortunately, we're living in a world where a number of countries, the Chinese and Russians included, have consistently been engaged in cyber attacks against American interests, against the American government, and it's an issue that we recently raised very, very strongly in our dialogue with the Chinese.

The answer is, it is very likely. It is not without -- you know, outside the realm of possibility, and we know that they have attacked a number of American interests over the course of the last days.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's very likely that your e-mails are being read?

KERRY: It's very possible. There's no way for me -- and I certainly write things with that awareness.


HANNITY: Very likely the Chinese and the Russians are reading our current secretary of state's e-mails, which I'm sure have the highest level of protection available. And yet she has all this information on her server.

So here's the question. If, in fact, the Russians, the Iranians, the Chinese have her server and those e-mails that might prove that she committed a crime, she ever becomes the president, is she not compromised?  Is she not susceptible to blackmail?

GINGRICH: Well, you and I see this slightly differently. I think it's now so obvious and she is so clearly discredited and this is going to get so much worse that that's the least of her worries. If this had never come to light and they had had that information, maybe they could have blackmailed her.

But there's a deeper problem here. And by the way, what Secretary Kerry said should be cause for Congress to do very, very thorough...

HANNITY: Can I just...


HANNITY: Remember, she's saying the 30,000 e-mails she deleted and the server that she erased and got rid of -- which I don't know anybody that does that, but she did that -- she's saying this was only about yoga, e-mails to her husband, about her daughter's wedding and her mother's funeral, 30,000 e-mails.

If it turns out she was lying on that and it did violate laws -- and I'll put it up on the screen, as I did last night for our audience -- that would mean they would have the evidence that would prove that she's guilty of crimes punishable by prison time -- as I put them up there.

GINGRICH: You know she broke the law.

HANNITY: Yes, I do. I believe it.

GINGRICH: I mean, no -- no reasonable person can doubt that Secretary Clinton broke the law and that her two top aides broke the law. It's inconceivable. If you go talk to anybody who's handled secrets in the last 35 years, it is inconceivable that they could have had this server the way they did and not be breaking the law.

HANNITY: All right, so then my next...

GINGRICH: And then...

HANNITY: Yes, go ahead. Finish.

GINGRICH: No, and by the way, the way they handled the material afterwards further broke the law. She didn't have the legal right to decide which of those things to delete. There are clear laws about this in terms of how you handle official information.

HANNITY: And by the way, they're on the screen right now as you're speaking, on the side screen. We still have you up there.

The secret e-mails we now know contained signal intelligence from spy satellites. We also learned tonight that the server was in New Jersey the whole time, and apparently, they didn't know and didn't hand it over. I think it's -- we need an investigation into why, in fact, they didn't take this server earlier here.

But now the Democrats are in a panic. What does that mean? Does that mean Barack Obama holds a meeting with high-ranking Democrats, throws in crazy uncle Joe as a challenger to Hillary? Does Elizabeth Warren jump in?

GINGRICH: Well, I mean, somebody better move because if they don't, they're going to have Bernie Sanders, the socialist, as their nominee.

I don't believe Hillary Clinton's going to be nominated. I think she's going to continue to decay week by week. She's going to look less and less trustworthy. Her numbers are going to get worse and worse. And I think you're going to see Sanders come roaring up. And if somebody doesn't move fairly early, he could build an enormous head of steam.

People should not underestimate the potential he has because those 28,000, 29,000 people you were describing in Los Angeles, most of those are now going to be Bernie Sanders supporters. And if that keeps building a momentum -- this is what happened with George McGovern in 1972. All of a sudden one morning, they couldn't stop him. And you know, a socialist candidate even in this day and age would be pretty problematic for the Democrats.

HANNITY: All right, Mr. Speaker. By the way, welcome back. Good to have you. Thanks for being with us.

GINGRICH: Good to be with you.

HANNITY: Coming up next tonight right here on this busy news night on "Hannity"...


TRUMP: ... percent they're going to pay. And if they don't pay, we'll charge them a little tariff.


HANNITY: All right, Donald Trump -- he told me earlier this week that if elected, he'll make Mexico pay for a wall along the southern border.  Could that work? We'll check in with Ann Coulter. She's here to respond.

And later tonight, 2016 Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina -- she joins the debate from the Hawkeye State. We'll ask her about Clinton's server scandal and much more straight ahead.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." All right, Mexico is now firing back at Donald Trump for saying that he would get the Mexican government to pay for a wall along the southern border. Now, a spokesman from Mexico's president told Bloomberg last night there's no way his country would pay for a border wall, while adding that Trump is ignorant for even suggesting this idea.

Well, Mexico might be saying this now, but earlier this week, Trump explained to me and you how he would make them pay to secure the border.  Take a look.


TRUMP: I watch politicians come on -- Can you imagine, Sean, he's saying Mexico's going to pay? They'll never pay. And I'm saying that's, like, 100 percent. That's not, like, 98 percent. Sean, it's 100 percent they're going to pay. And if they don't pay, we'll charge them a little tariff.


HANNITY: Joining us now with reaction, author of The New York Times best-seller "Adios America: The Left's Plan to Turn the Country into a Third World Hellhole" Ann Coulter is with us. Also here, National Review writer Charles Cooke. Guy, good to see you.

Ann, oh, a funny line by Trump today about Joe Biden. He said, Oh,I think it'd be a great match-up, in against Biden. I have a great record.  I'm a job producer. I haven't been involved in plagiarism. I think I'd match up well against Biden!


ANN COULTER, "ADIOS AMERICA" AUTHOR: The one yesterday was even better.

HANNITY: Which one?

COULTER: I've had it up to here with Rand Paul.

HANNITY: Ouch! Well, look...

COULTER: He's a funny insulter.


COULTER: But he's more than that. I mean, he's clearly right about that Mexican wall thing. And this is part of what is appealing about him.  Not only is he the only one seriously talking about immigration and the only one I think who is believably saying he'll build the wall, while the rest are coming up with nonsense excuses -- Oh, there can be tunnels under walls, and I'll secure the border, but we'll use high technology.

Oh, these are just different ways of lying to us. You're not going to build the wall. But look, we send Mexico $14 billion in foreign aid every year? Of course they'll pay for the wall!

HANNITY: All right, Charles, let me go to you. You know, I might say it a little differently than Donald because the bottom line is, Mexico has no problem at all with people crossing our border. They're doing nothing to help us, nothing to assist us.

So in many ways, it takes away some of their problems, poor people, other issues that they may have. Some of the population coming here has been good for them. We give them aid money.

And I think Donald Trump is right. You withhold the aid money. And guess what? You put in a tariff. They're going to get more concerned about it. Makes sense to me.

CHARLES COOKE, NATIONAL REVIEW: I have to say I'm just astonished by the collective insanity that seems to have marked the conservative movement over the last month because...

HANNITY: What's astonishing about it? I've been saying secure the borders for years and years and years.

COOKE: No, no, no. I don't mean -- I don't mean secure the border.  I mean that Donald Trump, who has put forward no plan whatsoever, except to pretend that Mexico's going to pay for...

HANNITY: Excuse me!


HANNITY: Not true! Wait a minute. What you're saying is not true.  He said he would build a wall. He said that he would build it expeditiously. He said that he would get Mexico to pay for it. He would either force them through not giving them aid or through tariffs.

That's a specific plan. He talked about health care savings accounts for "Obama care" as an alternative.

COOKE: I think the objections are that you have a man in a Republican debate who praised single-payer. You have a man still talking about planning -- funding Planned Parenthood. You have a man who has flip- flopped, perhaps, on the wealth tax, on gun control, a man who in any other circumstances would have been laughed out of the primary. If you look back to when Mitt Romney was running, flip-flops that were not remotely as substantive as Donald Trump's.

COULTER: For one thing, I mean, maybe I'm the wrong person to be appalled by this because there was one thing Mitt Romney flip-flopped on, one thing, abortion. And I don't think that's a big deal. We're supposed to be trying to win converts over.

It isn't really true, the things you listed off just now there, Charles. I mean, it's an exaggeration of his earlier positions. He seems very clear to me. And consistency -- I mean, I don't think voters go out and think, Well, he's been consistent for 20 years on this. He has certainly been consistent on caring about illegal immigration. He has long before now. It isn't a flip-flop on Planned Parenthood.

He's not a politician. He's not familiar with all of the deceptive ways Planned Parenthood will sneak through funding for abortion. And so when you...

COOKE: But he was pro-choice.

COULTER: ... (INAUDIBLE) funds the other health care things, Planned Parenthood does, but I wouldn't fund the abortion part, people pointed out, Well, they just segregate the funds. You really are funding the abortion.  He said, OK, fine. If they do any abortions, no funding for Planned Parenthood. That isn't inconsistent. That is -- that is a slight change to a position because he hasn't spent his life being a policy wonk. But he is coming with more specific answers on things than I think the other guys are.

COOKE: Hold on. First, it is an slight change when you go from being pro-choice to pro-life when you run in the primary. But he actually changed his mind this week.

COULTER: That's what I was talking about.

COOKE: He said on this show, I think yesterday, maybe the day before, that he was fine with the progressive income tax. When you reach a certain point, you should pay more. The day before he suggested he was in favor of a flat tax, literally 24 hours before. He is making it up as he goes along and we're all falling for it for some reason.

COULTER: He isn't making it up as he goes along. The wealth tax, I mean, as he explained again. She said, look, I'm a rich man. If you look at what the national debt was back then, why shouldn't we? I can pay it off personally. Now the national debt is so huge, I couldn't pay it off personally. This isn't some huge, shocking flip-flop.

It is a far more appalling flip-flop except it isn't a flip-flop.  It's a lie that almost every one of the other Republicans running keep insisting that yes, they want to do something about illegal immigration.  And oh, boy, we are going on secure the border first. And Rubio promised for three years that he would not vote for an amnesty bill until that border was secure. And we read the bill, first step, everyone is on amnesty. And second step, they all get to bring their relatives. When do we get to wall? Well, never, because you can build a tunnel under the wall. These are flip-flops that aren't flip-flops. They are direct lies to the American people. What you are illustrating or pointing out are just someone whose life has not been consumed with politics. But no one cares about that.

COOKE: That is certainly one way of putting it, Ann. That is certainly one way of putting. What I'm talking about is a man who decided a few moments ago that he wanted to be a Republican, picked up --

COULTER: That isn't true. He's been a Republican since 1988. He was at the Republican National Convention talking like a conservative. He likes guns.

COULTER: He happens to have done very well as a Republican giving out no Republican positions. He cozied up to Hillary Clinton and then gave the Democrats a bunch of money.

COULTER: Of course he does. He's a businessman. That's the silliest complaint. Of course he does. He has at least been a Republican since 1988. He's pro-gun. As far as I know, he's never been anti-gun. You're catching him on the this teeny, tiny little developments of a position.

COOKE: I think we're moving our positions around on what Donald Trump said. He was in favor on the record an assault weapons ban. Is that now pro-gun?

COULTER: No. But a lot of people, so were Republicans in Congress.  So does John Kasich.


COULTER: John Kasich actually voted for it.

HANNITY: I have to go.

COULTER: And he knew something.

HANNITY: Coming up, a new video exposes just how low Planned Parenthood executive will stoop in order to harvest, of course, parts of aborted fetuses. That's coming up later tonight.

But first, after her very strong performance in the first 2016 Republican debate, Carly Fiorina is now rising in the polls. She will join us next to react to those numbers. And we'll have her weigh in on the Clinton server scandal. Does she think Hillary ends up behind bars?  Straight ahead.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So Donald Trump is not the only 2016 Republican presidential candidate that is now surging in the polls.  In fact after a strong debate performance last week, former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina, she is gaining momentum.

Here to discuss her rise in a crowded GOP field is the woman herself, 2016 Republican candidate for president, Carly Fiorina. Welcome back. By the way, congratulations. I saw the debate. I thought you put in a really strong performance, and obviously the voters, everyone watching did as well. Congratulations.

FIORINA: Thank you so much, Sean.  And it's great to be with you.

HANNITY: Let me start with the Hillary server scandal. You've been very critical, probably more than any other candidate, of Hillary Clinton.  You talked about the server, you talked about her position on Planned Parenthood. Where do you stand now in light of the new information we have today?

FIORINA: I said in my closing comments at that Fox News debate that Hillary Clinton has lied about Benghazi, about her e-mails, about her server. And there were some in the liberal media who said, wow, that's really strong language. But of course, it is the right language. She has lied. And I think the more we learn, the more we know that's true.

HANNITY: Do you think some of your fellow candidates might be afraid to say -- I agree with you. She lied. It's as plain as day to me. I think she really has a very difficult legal problem on her hands now.  We'll watch this unfold as it relates to the server. But some people are timid. They're a little afraid to say she lied. Why do you think that is?  Do you think they're afraid, maybe, some of the men in the race that they may be accused of a war on women type of thing?

FIORINA: No, actually, I don't think it is gender. I think it is that the political class speaks in certain terms. Sort of sanitized sound bites in what I call bumper sticker rhetoric. By any common sense definition, she has lied. But somehow politicians don't always use common sense terms or plain language. But I think by any common sense definition, the same you and I would use, if you say you don't have a server and you do, you lied. If you say you didn't pass classified information and you did, you lied. If you say it was a video and it turns out to be a purposeful terrorist attack which you knew at the time, you lied.

HANNITY: Let me ask you. I was asking Newt earlier about the year of the insurgent. It's you. It's Donald Trump. It's Ted Cruz. It's Ben Carson. And out of nowhere came the curmudgeon, 73-year-old socialist, Bernie Sanders. What does that tell but the electorate right now and where their minds are?

FIORINA: Well, as you and I have discussed before, Sean, there is no doubt from every poll that the vast majority of Americans, whether they're Democrats or Republicans, whether they're young or old, whether they're men or women, 80 plus percent of Americans believe we have a professional political class that cares more about its position and privilege than it does about solving the problem.

And as I also said at that debate, whatever your issue, whatever your cause, whatever festering problem you home would have been solved by now, the political class has failed you. I think people understand our nation is at a pivotal point. I think people understand real leadership is necessary to challenge the status quo and get some of this done. And so I think they're for something and someone different than the typical politician from the political class.

HANNITY: Carly, they have robbed us blind -- $18 trillion in debt going to 20, $128 trillion in unfunded liabilities, 94 million Americans out of the labor force, 50 million in poverty, 46 million on food stamps.  I say it all the time.

I like your outspokenness. I like Donald Trump's outspokenness. You have been probably of all the candidates the harshest critic of Donald. I like -- I think Republicans have been way too politically correct and too timid in Washington in particular. I think some governors have been more aggressive in advancing a conservative agenda and vision. But you're outspoken. Why are you so critical of his outspokenness?

FIORINA: Well, I don't think I'm particularly critical of his outspokenness. I have said over and over again that Donald Trump taps into this anger that people feel about festering problems that somehow never get solved.

HANNITY: But Carly, I'm angry --

FIORINA: I'm critical of anyone -- frankly, I'm critical of anyone that tends to paint with a broad brush and insult when it is not necessary.

HANNITY: I'm angry. Let me ask you this.

FIORINA: -- to be insulting people.

HANNITY: I'm angry that Republicans swore they would replace and repeal ObamaCare. They didn't do it.

FIORINA: Me too. Me too.

HANNITY: They ran in 2014 and they said they would stop executive amnesty, and they funded it. I'm angry at them.

FIORINA: That's right. Me too. Me too.

HANNITY: So he's tapping into that.

FIORINA: That's why I'm running. That's why I'm running for president, because I've concluded that all these people who have been in politics their entire life don't know how to fix it. In other words, they don't know how to translate words into results. It is one thing to give a speech. It is another thing to take ideas contained in that speech and turn it into action and results.

Let me just say, Sean. I'm equally critical when President Obama paints all Republicans as being the equivalent of Iranian hard-liners just because they think he negotiated a bad deal. He did negotiate a bad deal, and when he insults everyone who disagrees with him by calling them either stupid or politically motivated or venal, all of which President Obama has done, I'm equally critical. It doesn't help us solve problems.

HANNITY: Carly Fiorina, thanks for being with us.

FIORINA: Thank you.

HANNITY: And when we come back, a damning new video exposing once again Planned Parenthood has just been released. A technician with inside knowledge of the clinics blows the whistle on this group's disturbing practices as we continue.  


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Now the Center for Medical Progress has released yet another shocking video reportedly exposing potential illegal behavior from Planned Parenthood. This newest video shows a whistleblower detailing how technicians would often take the organs and tissues from aborted fetuses without the knowledge and consent of the mother.

Now, we have to warn you, this video is very disturbing. It contains very graphic language. If you have children in the room, you may want to ask them to leave. Here it is.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If there was a higher gestation, and the technicians needed it, there are times where they would just take what they wanted. And these mothers don't know. There is no way they would know.

All I said to her was, did you see what that was? She's like, nothing. I'm like, so basically you just went in there and took her blood and you're going to be taking her fetus without her knowing. So it's terrifying. Imagine if you're an abortion patient and someone was going in and stealing your baby's heart.


HANNITY: Here with reaction, the president of the Live Action Group Lila Rose, Democratic strategist Jeanne Zaino is with us. This is now the sixth in the series. Let me ask a general question. We have videos, we have these tapes of people sipping wine, eating their fruity little salad and they're talking about crushing this part of the baby inside of a woman's womb and not that part so they can preserve the heart and the lungs and the livers, et cetera. And they're negotiating the prices back and forth and talking about, oh, we get a big price we can get a Lamborghini.  And now we have this, an undercover video showing that they did not tell the parents. They were not telling these mothers that they were harvesting these organs.

So many different laws violated here. Do you not find this, generally speaking, I'm assume you're pro-choice, do you not find this repugnant, the whole practice, in context, the whole thing?

JEANNE ZAINO, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: You know, I think any thinking person who looks at any of these videos you get queasy. It is sickening to watch it.

HANNITY: Disgusting, grotesque, gruesome?

ZAINO: Absolutely. I am not a spokesperson for Planned Parenthood by any stretch of the imagination. But let's be clear, they have vehemently denied the charges on the sixth video. They have said this person did not work for Planned Parenthood.

HANNITY: They said about all the other videos that they were taken out of context. I went and watched them. And when you watch them they were not taken out of context, none of them.

FIORINA: I did too, and I would not dispute that. But what I would say is that it has not been proven that Planned Parenthood did anything illegal in this, and that is their position.

HANNITY: You're wrong. Lila, we've had you on the program before.  We've had many legal experts on the program as well. There are multiple laws that you keep citing that have been broken. Number one, you can't take it without the parent, or the mother's consent. Number two, you can't change or alter the procedure to harvest body parts which they admit, well, we'll crush this part but not part of the baby. So there are laws broken, correct?

LILA ROSE, LIVE ACTION: Exactly. This is actually the fifth law that is showing Planned Parenthood selling without the consent of the mother, the parts of the child that they've just aborted. But it goes beyond that.  It's selling body parts in the first place, and Stem Express actually talks about financial profits for Planned Parenthood. That's one of their actual advertisement to Planned Parenthood, how it's going to improve the margins for their clinic.

Number two, Dr. Deborah Nucatola, the director of medical services at Planned Parenthood, their own high-ranking abortionist, says that she's performed partial-birth abortions. She even talks about how she delivers the baby breech in order to have an intact specimen. There is many other aspects of this, too, the manipulation of the abortion procedure.

HANNITY: Lila, hang on a second, because I want to ask a question.  So based on what you've seen, that you even say beyond makes you queasy, why should Americans give one penny to this group that is involved in this practice? Why? Can you explain that.

ZEON: Absolutely. Because zero federal dollars that go to Planned Parenthood go for abortion.

HANNITY: Whoa, whoa.

ROSE: That is not true.

ZAINO: It absolutely is true.

HANNITY: Then in frees up money for them to do all these other things, so they can sell these body parts to get Lamborghinis.

ZAINO: Absolutely not.


ROSE: The point is Planned Parenthood gets 40 percent of their revenue from the government, 40 percent. That allows them to build relationships from their community, to try to create these marketing brands and improve their brand in order to get their tentacles in communities so that they're the go-to place so that when they're selling an abortion for up to thousands of dollars, $500 to thousands of dollars, this is the place where women go. It's one of the biggest scams in America today that we've allowed the abortion industry to make some sort of a fake case for women's health care even though the abortion numbers have gone up at Planned Parenthood and their cancer prevention services have gone down in the last few years. And they're on Capitol Hill lobbying and doing all of this and lying to American women and killing children in the process.

ZAINO: But 2.7 poor women use in Planned Parenthood Zero of the federal goes to abortion.

ROSE: Those numbers are going down.

HANNITY: When we come back we have a very important question. Our "Question of the Day" has to do with Hillary and jail, straight ahead.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Time for tonight's "Question of the Day." All right, based on what you know, do you think Hillary Clinton should go to jail over the server scandal? Just to go Facebook.com/SeanHannity, @SeanHannity on Twitter, let us know what you think.

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