Trump campaign pressed to release policy proposals

Do primary voters care about specifics?


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 11, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Kirsten Powers, Eric Boling, Dana Perino and Brian Kilmeade. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Yeah. At Thursday night's presidential debate, Donald Trump refused to rule out a possible third-party run.


BRET BAIER, "SPECIAL REPORT" ANCHOR: Is there anyone on stage, and can I see hands, which is unwilling tonight to pledge your support to the eventual nominee of the Republican Party, and pledge to not run an independent campaign against that person?


BAIER: Mr. Trump.




BAIER: Mr. Trump. To be clear, you're standing on a republican primary debate stage.




GUILFOYLE: I don't think he's confused where he was. Less than four days later, he may have changed his mind. There are reports today Trump is reconsidering, taking the pledge if he doesn't win the republican nomination, his campaign is pushing back. But will it happen? And should he take that pledge? That's how we begin our discussion on this Monday evening, nice to see you.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: But didn't we see something that Jonathan Karl of ABC News asked him this -- a couple of hours ago and they said -- actually now, he is still keeping open an idea of a third-party run, so this is clear as mud to me.


PERINO: I can't keep track. I guess he just wants keeps (inaudible).

KILMEADE: Well, a senior adviser said that he is considering, may taking the pledge that he will not go independent, should he not get the nomination.

PERINO: But then when he spoke today, he said that he is keeping the option open.

KILMEADE: Right, so.

KIRSTEN POWERS, GUEST CO-HOST: So how do you enforce it, though? What if he says.

PERINO: Yeah, you can take a pledge and break it.


POWERS: So then he loses the nomination and then he just runs as an independent. Who is going to stop him?

GUILFOYLE: Mr. Bolling, what have you been hearing?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Everything there -- everyone else has been hearing. So here's the way the questions raise. Will everyone on this -- is there anyone who will not vow to not run as a third party, and will you promise to back whoever the candidate is? Conversely, so Donald Trump is the only one who raises his hand. If we went down the line, would every single person on that stage and the earlier debate say, if Donald Trump is the nominee, I fully support him because he's coming from my party. I'm -- do you think he get seven --69 on 16?

GUILFOYLE: Well because, yeah, it was a two-part question. It was a compound question.

BOLLING: So I'm asking you. Do you think he gets -- do you think.

GUILFOYLE: So the clarification

GUILFOYLE: I don't think so. Not necessarily. It depends. I mean, would Ted Cruz? I think so.

BOLLING: He might.

GUILFOYLE: It depends on the person.

BOLLING: He -- right. It depends. I don't know. Do you?

KILMEADE: I would say one thing.

PERINO: Oh no, that's not the question that was asked. And I actually think the reason that question was asked is that -- the reason it matter is like, you can win a popularity contest. Like you could win 90 percent in the polls with popularity, but only 18 percent of registered republican voters typically go to the polls to vote in a primary, and those two groups are not the same, so you still have to figure out a way. Practically because the way our system is you can't win on popularity contest, you have to win the votes in Iowa or the votes in New Hampshire or the tiebreaker in South Carolina, maybe additional states from there. So I just look at it practically, and GOP primary voters are not for somebody -- are not gonna go for somebody who they think is gonna cut and run to a third party. You can still run as a third party, you can still even win as a third party, but you're not gonna win GOP primary voters that way.

KILMEADE: But a couple of things. Number one, if he is a great businessman, which the numbers show he is, didn't he just show it? He saves from himself. This is how I cut deals on a daily basis. Whether it is with banks, with buildings, with owners, I use leverage. I'm not going to give up my leverage. I'm going in to a deal, a deal to win this nomination, a deal to keep my enemies at (inaudible) because they fear being attack. So I'm gonna show them. Why would I give up my leverage? It makes no sense to me. All right, so you want to do that? I'll think about it. Gains more attention, no one is talking about Rubio or anybody else -- or anybody else. But in the big picture, if you're talking about Ralph Nader, the difference he made. If you're talking about John Henderson, the difference he made, he really has a lot of power in this situation right now. If he -- even if he was third and fourth and said, I'm thinking about going independent, he has a lot of power in this situation and realized it.

BOLLING: Well, is he is that, Brian? Or he's just saying, look, I need a little love from the RNC, which he hasn't really been getting, you know that, right?

KILMEADE: Well, but I will tell you though it may depend on how much love.

GUILFOYLE: But that's the same thing he's saying leverage.

GUILFOYLE: Well because all he could be -- he's all has to do right, he keeps the card in his pocket and says, I'm not sure but I will tell you though, it may depend on how much love I'm getting from the RNC which he gets in that name (ph).

POWERS: But if it would mean for not getting the love, though, is because he's not committed to the Republican Party?

PERINO: Yeah, like.

POWERS: That's why they're not doing it.

BOLLING: I'm not sure.

POWERS: They're not gonna show their voters files with somebody who's gonna be independent.

BOLLING: Well as opposed to going into a deal, as Brian points out, like Obama did with the Iran deal, saying, we're gonna get.


BOLLING: Here it is, no matter what, I'm getting a deal. So kill me, if you want.

KILMEADE: Right. Kill me not Kilmeade.

BOLLING: I understand.


KILMEADE: And to your point, the files with the RNC has, the people want to diminish the role the party in it. Well, they do have files. They do have maps, they do have -- they do provide aid even so behind the scenes. They should use some of their leverage and say listen, unless you commit to us.

POWERS: Yeah, right.

KILMEADE: I can't commit to you. So they can come back at him. And that's why I think, maybe tomorrow on Fox and Friends, he comes on the telephone. Which -- that's why so called.


BOLLING: That is something that -- that is a -- I'm dying to hear how that goes. I'm -- that's must-see TV.



BOLLING: No, it really is.

KILMEADE: You should just get cable and watch at home. You should have.


KILMEADE: Absolutely.


BOLLING: I'm serious.

KILMEADE: On the cash.

BOLLING: I'm not joking. I want to hear that interview. It's going to be good.

KILMEADE: We have very good relations with Donald Trump.

BOLLING: I know. I know.

KILMEADE: We've had a four-year (inaudible) relationship.

BOLLING: I get you. I get you.


KILMEADE: Every Monday, Dana Perino.

PERINO: Yes. Yes.

POWERS: You can do have.


GUILFOYLE: I say, OK. So Kirsten, what do you think the democrats -- you're people, are thinking about all of this?

POWERS: I think they're loving it. I think that got the popcorn out and they're watching. And then -- Donald Trump is not good for the other GOP candidates, right? I mean, it does anyone want to make an argument to the contrary?

BOLLING: No, I don't. He's clearly and anomaly. Rand Paul did an op-ed today. We're not educated and saying that Donald Trump is a fake conservative. That -- and do you know what? He made have some -- he's not - - that it was clearly, Donald Trump is not the establishment candidate. We know that. And now if Rand Paul.

GUILFOYLE: A lot of people on that stage are not.

BOLLING: Who is on the right, the Tea Party is hyped says, he's not one of us either. Who is he? He's carved out a completely different niche of republican. I'm not sure.

KILMEADE: But here's the good news, Eric. And Dana, I don't mean to -- do you about to say some?


KILMEADE: OK. Here's the good news.

GUILFOYLE: But you did use the title of her book, thank you very much.

KILMEADE: Absolutely. And within the next few days, he was supposed to get his policies, so are going to start rolling out.

GUILFOYLE: Well, that's perfect.

KILMEADE: And among people that are impressed with this -- and I was kind of surprised. I do this thing on Sundays because I'm lonely. I watch all the Sunday shows. And Mark Halperin is who tends to go deep and not put up with the non-sectors (ph) and the anomaly says, that he has a lot of professionals on his staff, he actually has a planned and policies and you are -- you should not dismiss him. I was stunned by that. Even after everything we've all been through.

GUILFOYLE: I'm gonna call that an assist, then I'm gonna take the ball and dump it in. Here's the montage of what all the other candidates thinks because we're also waiting to hear, Mr. Trump's specifics. Take a listen.


JEB BUSH, 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: There should be a path to early (BELLS) legal status for those that are here. Not amnesty, earned legal status which means you pay a fine and do many things over an extended period of time.

MARCO RUBIO, 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We do need curriculum reform and it should happen at the state and local level. The way -- that's where - that is where educational policy belongs because if a parent is unhappy with what their child is being taught in school, they can go to their local school boarder, their state legislature or their governor and get it changed.

GOVERNOR SCOTT WALKER, 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We need to have a national security that pledge steel in front of our enemies. I would send weapons to Ukraine. I would work with NATO to put forces on the eastern border of Poland and the Baltic nations, and I would reinstate -- put in place back in the missile defense system that we had in Poland and the Czech Republic.



GUILFOYLE: Mr. Scott Walker showing that he has spent some time thinking about his policy proposal as it relates to foreign policy and national security. So we have some specifics that we were able to enjoy and listen to on that evening, to be able to do a comparative analysis of the candidates. There are many people that are still wanting some specifics. They like the idea and the tone of, hey, forget about business as usual. We want someone that's going to effectuate either new positive outcome. Do something different in what we've been getting in Washington from democrats and republicans, so that's been resounding the populous message with Mr. Trump. But on the flip side, people have said, "Sir, what are your specifics?" His campaign says that they'll be releasing some soon. What can we expect? Let's start with Kirsten.

POWERS: Well, I don't know. I think it's interesting that Brian, you're saying that he's had these policies all along?

KILMEADE: Well, no. He's about to release his policies. Today, he talked about on another show. He talked about the way he'd take out ISIS. He did circle him, take their royal and he.

POWERS: And send ground troops in and.


BOLLING: But he has policies.

POWERS: Al right. I mean.

BOLLING: He's had policies for decades, he's had policies.

POWERS: I don't know. He doesn't really articulate.

BOLLING: I can tell what they are.

GUILFOYLE: Go ahead.

POWERS: I mean he was really -- I mean, I don't -- I don't think.

BOLLING: He was.

GUILFOYLE: What should they like to her, Bolling?

POWERS: I don't think.

BOLLING: He said don't go to Iraq.

POWERS: Build a wall.

BOLLING: Because you don't want.

POWERS: And circle ISIS.

BOLLING: He said do not go into Iraq, you don't want to destabilize Iraq because that will give them -- turn the power over to Iran, he said get tough with Iran. He said on ISIS, he said boots on the ground, which I would disagree with completely. We know where he is on immigration. He says build a wall and get Mexico pay for it. He's hard on trade. I mean, why am I the only one who knows the policy?

POWERS: So it's just like -- that's not a policy build a wall, we'll have Mexico pay for it. I mean that's not a policy. How are you going to make Mexico pay for a wall?

BOLLING: Yeah. He has specifics outlined that he'll have them pay for it through oil that comes from Mexico. This --

POWERS: This is like unicorn stuff.

BOLLING: Are you paying attention to this because I mean.

POWERS: I mean this really is like unicorn stuff.

BOLLING: Well, you may not want a policy, but he has a policy.

POWERS: No, no, no. I mean, I don't actually -- I don't actually have anything in particular against him. I just -- I think that these are not real policies. Like when you say you're going to make another government do something, I just don't see how that happens. I don't.

KILMEADE: Well, I mean, I know what you're saying. I mean, if we don't have well-rounded for this way, you go to his website, it's probably the most empty websites of all the leaders, of all the frontrunners on his policy statements and the details what he gets into. The person that I thought came actually came out with the most interesting leading (ph) -- forward leaning statements who's Chris Christie. Who is like listen, I'm gonna go into a (inaudible) reform. This way too much in the budget that's automatic withdrawals. We gonna start look at Social Security. We're gonna look at Medicare. Then we'll start talking about the NSA.

GUILFOYLE: He does have specifics.

KILMEADE: Yeah, he does actually have specifics.


PERINO: Right.

KILMEADE: And guess what?

BOLLING: And how that's personal, though?

KILMEADE: But again -- you're right.

BOLLING: And what's happening?

KILMEADE: According to the NBC Snapchat -- Snapchat? Snap poll?


KILMEADE: Snap poll. I apologize.

GUILFOYLE: Spend time there?

KILMEADE: Snap poll.


GUILFOYLE: Snap poll?

KILMEADE: I still haven't figured it out.


KILMEADE: The NBC poll, about hours coming out a couple a days is -- he's lost three points.


KILMEADE: So I don't even -- you know you're not rewarding the most elect - - one of the most electrifying parts of the debate.

GUILFOYLE: That was two.

KILMEADE: That was with Chris Christie and Rand Paul lack thorns (ph).

PERINO: I think right now people are actually like, if this was a dating scene, right? You're not necessarily -- you don't go up and say, OK, tell me the five things that you're going to do once we're married.


POWERS: Right.

POWERS: And how you gonna make it -- basically like, "Will I marry you?" and marry you and then marry you.

GUILFOYLE: Its speed dating.

PERINO: Kind of.


PERINO: It is -- I mean, you're looking for character, temperament, judgment, and you want to know, what is your basic governing philosophy? Are you for -- what kind? You say you want do more -- get bring more jobs into the economy like, what's your best guess for that? Like it is to end trade, do more trade? Is it that -- it's - at this point, this details specifics don't matter. I'd like more specifics. But remember when Mitt Romney during the campaign, he had like four different times there were several different multipoint plans that came out.


PERINO: There was one that was really so long.


PERINO: That they're like, wow, he's thought about this so much.

KILMEADE: Correct.

PERINO: That they couldn't keep up because it was too detailed, so there's a fine line.

KILMEADE: Absolutely. It's got to be -- it's got be bullet points.

BOLLING: Can I be shameless?

GUILFOYLE: Go ahead.

BOLLING: Rand Paul on the O'Reilly Factor tonight, who calls Donald Trump a fake conservative. I'm gonna ask him why. What about him, makes him fake and why is he's brand of conservatism any better or worse than the far right or the establishment conservatism -- should be interesting.

KILMEADE: All right. You're hosting the O'Reilly Factor.


KILMEADE: Now I got.

GUILFOYLE: That was a plug.

KILMEADE: There you go.

PERINO: I'll be on the making Kelly show.

KILMEADE: That will be good.


POWERS: Can I plug something?

PERINO: I'm gonna be on the Kelly show, what do you do? Can you plug something?

POWERS: I do Megyn tomorrow night.

PERINO: Kimberly, got anything to plug?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, making the case, send in the good news in, we got books, you got George Washington, what else? You got Fox & Friends.



GUILFOYLE: I'll trade you Fox & Friends for Outnumbered.

KILMEADE: I got your back.


KILMEADE: I'm filling in for Greg on The Five today.


BOLLING: There you go.


BOLLING: That's you want.


GUILFOYLE: That's hot. That's what you call an upgrade, baby.

Ahead, some candidates say money is pouring into their campaigns following last week's debates. We're going to tell you who -- Carly.

Plus, did President Obama really mean it when he compared republicans to Iran's hardliners? Stick around because they all coming up on The Five.


BOLLING: More than 30 million people watched the first two debates of 2016 on Fox News, and some candidates say they're now seeing a big spike in support.


CARLY FIORINA, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think for many people, this is the first time they saw, "Wow, there's another woman running for president and she's actually pretty good." So we've certainly seen an uptick in financial support. We've seen an uptick in support generally, and -- so it is very exciting.

RAND PAUL, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You know our numbers have contributors have gonna up dramatically. We have well over a hundred thousand contributors. So yeah, we think we have excited our base.

BEN CARSON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: About half people didn't even know who I was. I'm sure they were saying, "Who is this guy? He actually makes a little bit of sense. This is good." And you know, we've had like 275,000 new Facebook likes and Twitter has gone crazy, and that's continuing to be the case, and that's good.


BOLLING: But can they keep capitalizing on their post-debate momentum? K.G., what do you -- first of all.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, they can.


GUILFOYLE: C for Carly.


BOLLING: And we talked.


BOLLING: About that on Friday, that which she was likely going to see a big donor bump after the debates.

GUILFOYLE: Well she should, and that's how it should work. When you give the command performance like that, the money should flow in that direction, shouldn't it?


GUILFOYLE: You've seen that in terms of the polls, she's way up. Ben Carson did a fantastic job, too, people getting to know him. His numbers went up. So you see now, kind of the tone, the change in the election. I don't think everybody could have predicted that was going to be -- you know the outcome. There was a lot of talk about it, and some smart minds were saying some interesting things, but I think this has actually proved to be a surprise for a lot of people.

BOLLING: Dana, as Brian points out, the snap -- Snapchat polls.


BOLLING: The snap polls show Ted Cruz also doing very well post-debate.

PERINO: Yeah, he had a good debate.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, he did.

BOLLING: A lot of money to start with, though.

PERINO: Yeah, he's got some big donors and he's got a lot -- there (inaudible). He has significant super pack support, but he also has a big following. A lot of it is in Texas, but it's going -- and he -- actually I find -- he travels a lot. He's really working it. I know that he was.


PERINO: In Savannah over the weekend and he's travelling all the time. But then I think his debate performance made sure that he's at least gonna stay up within the top 10.

GUILFOYLE: And Dana, some nice crowd to be saw in the pictures that his campaign released, he was getting a great reception. He was there traveling, you know with his wife. I think they will take away from this. Is there anybody who has a C in their name? We've got Carson and Cruz, right?

PERINO: Carly.

GUILFOYLE: Carly -- it's all good.

BOLLING: Can we go to the letter before that? Can we go with the B? Jeb Bush and some of these polls has drifted a little bit lower, and Scott Walker, both of them has drifted lower. Why and will that hurt his money?


KILMEADE: Well, I actually will think (inaudible) is gonna be a big deal, unless from this, especially, the next two or three weeks. I think he's got a more than a solid base. And I would think his brother, the 43rd president of the United States, nailed it. And when he was on -- with Jeb was on Cavuto, "So what your brother say about your debate performance?" he goes, "Just keep attitude (inaudible). You got be consistent, you're gonna be steady and there's doubt about it. He was a little rusty. So he understands now, and I think he's got nine debates, unlike Mitt Romney with 20.

BOLLING: Sounds like.

KILMEADE: It was short it up. He's gonna be more concise, even though he knows the answers, he's got to deliver in a more crisper fashion. So if I was coaching him I'd say, town halls, non-stop town halls. Start doing more interviews, so by the time the middle of September rolls down, he'll ready to go.

BOLLING: Kirsten, Donald Trump has a lot of money, but I noticed over the weekend that he said he may be starting to raise money. What are your thoughts on that?

POWERS: I mean, I think it's a good idea for him to do, although, there's certain send (ph) part of his appeal is that he's not relying on special interests. He's not raising money.


POWERS: He's not from individual, you know, donors and I think its fine, but you know I think that that's right that Jeb Bush is (inaudible) definitely. But I also think that if you look at the people who are doing well on the polls, most of them are not politicians. And so that seems to be.


POWERS: What appealing to people, right? Carly Fiorina, you know, Carson.


POWERS: And Trump. I mean, these are all people who, you know basically, I think are saying like, we just want somebody who is not a politician.


POWERS: Who are not an insider and Ted Cruz is kind of anti, you know, established.

KILMEADE: I just want to know.

PERINO: It's funny because he's like a first-term senator.


PERINO: Who has been in Washington and he actually spent a lot of time in government. He was a very successful attorney general of Texas, and then runs as an outsider. He's quite a feat.

POWERS: But you can do it.

PERINO: He's successful out of it.

POWERS: I think Bernie Sanders is doing the same thing, right? I mean, it's like you can be.


POWERS: You can be in the establishment, but be constantly harassing them and criticizing them.

KILMEADE: Correct.

GUILFOYLE: About the money, nothing better than OPM.

BOLLING: Other people's.


KILMEADE: Yes, but Kimberly.

BOLLING: Spend (ph) is easier.


KILMEADE: How do you rationalize -- honey, hand me the checkbook. I'm gonna write Donald Trump a $200 check.

BOLLING: Exactly.


KILMEADE: Stop drinking.


GUILFOYLE: No, no, no. You don't ask.


GUILFOYLE: You don't ask. You don't even ask for the checkbook. What you do is, when no one is minding.

KILMEADE: That's mind.

GUILFOYLE: You just tear a couple out.

KILMEADE: (inaudible)

GUILFOYLE: Fold them over.

BOLLING: Taking out the cash?

GUILFOYLE: That's it.


GUILFOYLE: I mean it's like.

KILMEADE: But look, I'm gonna (inaudible) before I like the envelope. I'm mailing Donald Trump money? He just told me how rich he is.

BOLLING: Marco Rubio also did really well. He seems to be moving up in these snap polls. He is also has a lot of money, though, already.

PERINO: Yeah, and they got some -- remember, he was the first to get into the race, so he's been at it for a while. And he -- I think the thing that also helped him is that the consensus at the end of the debate was that he had probably done the best out of everybody, and that kind of word of mouth really helps with your established fundraisers because they'll know, OK, so he's working at it. This is a good return on my investment. Maybe I'll give him some more, so we can call him back.

GUILFOYLE: So true. And that's it happened. I just wonder why he didn't get a bigger bump in the polls.

PERINO: I think there's just too many of them yet.


PERINO: I don't think there's enough room for.

GUILFOYLE: Too much, yeah.

KILMEADE: Lets' see the possible. I have a feeling that this is not a good composite.


KILMEADE: Could be. And also I think we're taking more time.

BOLLING: It was online. It was Friday night. It was.

KILMEADE: Yeah. Come on, yeah.

BOLLING: It certainly -- should be.

PERINO: Probably nothing.

BOLLING: But there were some -- there were a couple other polls that came out that had similar results. Again, nothing is national as Fox (inaudible) or a.

KILMEADE: Just -- if you don't mind.


KILMEADE: Two things about Carly Fiorina came out. And that's why Donald Trump had a great opportunity, to get all the opposite research out from underneath him. Carly Fiorina has two weaknesses. Why did she fire 30,000 people and why did she get fired? And I thought her answers were great, she handled it right off.

GUILFOYLE: Just heroic (ph).0

KILMEADE: By the time this gets -- September, October, those questions are off the books now. And the same thing with Donald Trump and the bankruptcies and problems that we said or didn't say, get it off the books in August. You don't have to worry about it in November.


KILMEADE: He should welcome these questions.

BOLLING: I think the next debate is September 16th, CNN. Do you think the bankruptcies are off the books then?

POWERS: No, definitely not. I don't think his answer was really all that convincing.


POWERS: To comeback at that and, what was his answer was basically, "I didn't go bankrupt, but if I did, so what. Everybody else goes bankrupt."

BOLLING: Well, he is (inaudible).


POWERS: I think it's like it was a viewer, I didn't feel satisfied.


POWERS: Till I made that maybe -- I wouldn't be surprised if they came back to that.

BOLLING: We got to go. Next, a top democrat defects from the Obama -- from Obama on the Iranian nuclear deal, and the White House warns it could cost him, ahead.


PERINO: Last week, the president took a shot at republicans who oppose his nuclear deal by comparing them to Iran's hard-liners.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: It's those hard- liners chanting death to America, who have been most opposed to the deal. They're making common cause with the republican caucus.




PERINO: And it wasn't a slip of the tongue. It was planned.


OBAMA: What I said is absolutely true, factually. The reason that Mitch McConnell and the rest of the folks in his caucus, who oppose this, jumped out and opposed it before they even read it, before it was even posted is reflective of an ideological commitment not to get a deal done.


OBAMA: And in that sense -- they do have a lot in common with hardliners who are much more satisfied with the status quo.


PERINO: But the democrat who could become the next senate majority leader has joined republicans an opposition. Chuck Schumer says he will vote against the deal. The White House says that as a result, members of his party will vote against him for his top senate post.


JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I certainly wouldn't be surprised if there are individual members of the senate democratic caucus that will consider the voting record of those who say they would like to leave the caucus.


PERINO: Kirsten, this is incredible to me. Chuck Schumer has been one of the most loyal people for all the democrats, Hillary Clinton, Obama -- he makes a principled stand on the issue of the Iran nuclear deal and they trash him when they don't need him because they have enough votes.

POWERS: Right.

PERINO: To be able to override the veto.

POWERS: Well, I think that's the most important point about it is that he is -- he's actually not even agitating to have other members move with him. He's not whipping. He's not doing anything to bring people with him. He's just -- he is just taking his position, and they already have the votes.

PERINO: Right.

POWERS: This is but -- but this has become another litmus test for the democrats. And I think that for the people who are really accept about it, you know move on that (inaudible) is running, the staff against him send an e-mails out against him. I don't think they think it is principled. I think that they think that he caved to, you know, to donors or to people who know.

PERINO: I think that.


POWERS: I don't think that he has a really principled stand on this...

PERINO: Let's take a look at this ad that's also running. This is against the deal and by veterans.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm medically retired Staff Sergeant Barnett, and I was blown up by an Iranian bomb.

They've kidnapped little kids from neighboring villages, put bullets in their heads and killed them in front of the villagers and said, "We're going to run our bombs out of here." That's who we're making a deal with.

Every politician who's involved in this will be held accountable. They will have blood on their hands. A vote for this deal means more money for Iranian terrorism. What do you think they're going to do when they get more money?


PERINO: Eric, that principled opposition for the White House?

BOLLING: I'll tell you what: not only that, AIPAC, the pro-Israel group, is spending $40 million to push senators who -- what is it now? There are 53 Republicans. Now you have Chuck Schumer. Maybe Chuck -- maybe Manchin. You're down to needing about 10 to 12 senators to make the jump over to override the presidential veto. Wow, would that be huge, but it's a tough sell.

That hero, that poor gentleman right there, the difference between him and 15 years from now when Iran has a nuclear bomb or dirty bombs or whatever, he won't be there to tell his story. He will be dead. They will incinerate.

That's what they want. They want a bomb. They have a path to the bomb. Worse than that: They have a path to the Iranians to make the bomb, thanks to Hillary Clinton and her deal she cut with Russia. I mean, this deal, it's just so bad. They need to -- hopefully, they get the votes.

PERINO: It does seem to get worse by the day. Kimberly...


PERINO: I want you to take a look at Governor Mike Huckabee, who's also running for president, who commented on Chuck Schumer and get your response.



MIKE HUCKABEE (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He needs to be listening to people who have clearly understood what the Iranian government is about for the past 36 years.

I know this was painful for Schumer, because he'd like to be a good party guy and go along. But what Chuck Schumer did was significant, because it's an act of statesmanship, not an act of blind partisanship. And God knows we need some more of that in Washington right now.


PERINO: What I don't understand, Kimberly, is how partisan the president has been when he actually has the votes and you have somebody like Chuck Schumer, who's making what I think is a principled stance.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Well, he's creating a bitter feud and exaggerating to the point to where he's just losing the confidence of some of those supporters.

The problem is when -- the devil's in the details. When you go through the report, you realize that it is not a good deal, that it is not one that people should be supporting. And you are seeing groups, traditionally, that have backed the president, Jewish groups, to say, "Listen, we're not in on this. We don't support it. We don't believe in it. We believe that this is a threat to not only the national security of the United States of America but of Israel, as well.

So when you have this kind of growing support against it, it puts the president in a tough position, and now he's amping up his rhetoric in defiance.

KILMEADE: And you know...

I do like what Huckabee had to say, because I think you should be fair to give Chuck Schumer credit.

KILMEADE: Right. He's (UNINTELLIGIBLE) by saying, "Look, the rest of the world is not going along with lifting the sanctions. So we want to be left out. It's not going to matter."

Well, it's not going to matter. The world's lifting their sanctions, because we agreed to leave those people out of P5+1 talks that put us in that position in the first place. They're not a bunch of idiots.

And 6 in every 10 Americans don't want this deal done. It's not just Chuck Schumer. He took a week; he looked at it. He asked the president, according to Politico, not to say anything until Friday. The president personally seems to have leaked that out, and Dan Pfeiffer and then David Axelrod start hammering this guy through social media. It's unbelievable.

GUILFOYLE: It backfired.

KILMEADE: He introduced the second inaugural for the president.

POWERS: To be fair, the -- our allies in this situation, the people who really -- the sanctions that really matter, the Europeans, for example, they -- they were not going to keep those sanctions forever. So the idea that the president somehow made that happen, I mean, they were part of that conversation. They only agreed to the sanctions to get to the table. They never said, "We're going to do the sanctions forever."

Just one other thought on this. I think you guys are complaining about the way the president's rhetoric is.


POWERS: I think that's a fair point. I think he has gone too far with this rhetoric about comparing Republicans to, you know, the Iranian government, basically.

But I also -- on the flip side of it is, I think the way you guys talk about Obama is also unfair. I don't like suggesting that he doesn't appreciate that they're going to get a bomb. That's the whole point of this deal. You can disagree that this is the best deal. I happen to support it, because I think it's better than the status quo.

But it's just not right to say that he's just sort of -- you're talking like, "Oh, they're going to have the bomb." Like, that's the whole point. That's why he wants the deal.

BOLLING: Actually, it outlines the path to the bomb.

POWERS: No, I don't think that's true. If don't have access to -- if we just have status quo, how does that make it better?

KILMEADE: The most penetrating thing to it (ph) is this. No. 1, we saw what the weapons inspectors did in Iraq. They worked good, didn't they? And that was a defeated nation after a war.

This war -- this nation is not defeated. They are very much in power, and now they're going to have all this other money.

No. 2, I think it's important to show that Benjamin Netanyahu said something very pertinent. He said as great as our intelligence is, and his intelligence is, they still did not know they were building these facilities that they had built. It was the MEK that revealed all these things. And it was defectors that came through.

So even with our eyes and ears and our great intelligence, we still didn't know what was going on.

BOLLING: Can I just throw one, Kirsten, one thing in there? Four million barrels of oil per day the Iranians can produce at full production. They're almost there. Fifty dollars per barrel, $200 million per day of income that we're going to let them do whatever the heck they want with, without eyes, without funneling through any American corporations, any American filters.

PERINO: There's no eyes.


POWERS: ... but that's just not true. We're going to have inspections.

BOLLING: It's a boatload of money for a -- for a country that's, like...

POWERS: Twenty-four/seven access to inspections.

BOLLING: ... likes to kill Israel and kill us.

PERINO: All right, 58 members of Congress just left for Israel yesterday, so we'll hear from them when they come back.

Next, we'll look back at the life and career of NFL legend Frank Gifford, who passed away this weekend at the age of 84. Please stay tuned.


KILMEADE: All right. The sports world lost a legend this weekend. NFL Hall of Famer Frank Gifford passed away at the age of 84 at his home in Connecticut, they say of natural causes. Gifford led the New York Giants to the 1956 title. He was their first-round draft pick. He went on to become a regular on "Monday Night Football" for -- get this -- 27 years.

His wife, Kathie Lee Gifford, says the family is grateful for the outpouring of support. Her "Today Show" co-host says she is rejoicing in his life.


HODA KOTB, CO-HOST, NBC'S "THE TODAY SHOW": Kath said something to me yesterday. She said, "This is not a tragedy." I was holding her hand. And she said, "A 4-year-old girl having cancer is a tragedy." She said Frank lived to be almost 85. She said he lived an incredible life, has an incredible family, had an incredible legacy. She said his life is a triumph.


KILMEADE: Wow. Talk about perspective. Here's Gifford's former broadcasting partner, who actually replaced him as the play-by-play voice, Al Michaels.


AL MICHAELS, FORMER CO-WORKER OF FRANK GIFFORD: ... which led to a 27-year run in the "Monday Night Football" booth. I had the great pleasure and honor of spending the last 12 of those with him. He was a wonderful partner, a great teammate. I'll forever remember Frank as a man that, no matter what was going on around him, he was always the coolest guy in the room.


KILMEADE: It's hard to believe. I mean, if you -- he's 84 years old, the ultimate fulfilled life. I mean, what he accomplished. No. 1 draft pick out of Santa Monica, goes to USC, goes to the Giants, wins a championship. He had movie star good looks. What do you think about this, Eric?

BOLLING: A huge loss. What a great -- what a great football player. Great analyst. Monday night -- that was the heyday of "Monday Night Football" for me. I remember Danny -- Don Meredith and...

KILMEADE: It was a show in a show.

BOLLING: That was better than the football games most of the time. It was fantastic. And he always played it straight. Don Meredith was off in some deep end. Howard Cosell was being crazy, and...

GUILFOYLE: And saying crazy things.

BOLLING: Right. And here he is trying to keep saying -- kind of like what I do here.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, right. You're Cosell.

KILMEADE: How do you have perspective in death? This is your husband that passed away. I'm so in awe of Kathie Lee to say we should celebrate his life rather than mourn his death.

PERINO: For decades, those of us who watched the early "Regis and Kathie Lee," and you got to actually know her when she first had the children. And you got to know their love story, which was amazing.

And then, because she's a friend of ours, and has invited -- we had a chance to get to kind of know them, I find it fascinating his early life story.

He grew up very poor. He's a true American success story. He worked so hard and was able to also have this major career transition after his playing of professional football to turn it into a career in broadcast journalism and sports journalism.

And I do know that he was a man of deep faith, and he loved his family very much.

KILMEADE: Right. And he's survived by Cody and Cassidy, 25 and 22, Kirsten. And he was a guy -- a lot of people didn't even remember that he played football.

POWERS: Yes, yes. As you know, I'm not a sports fan. So I don't know anything about his sporting.

KILMEADE: But you know who...

POWERS: I had an opportunity to spend some time with him, actually, just about six weeks ago. And so it's hard to even realize that he's gone now. I mean, he really is such a kind man. And he and Kathie Lee are just such amazing people.

And just -- the thing that absolutely strikes me about them is just their deep faith. I've talked with both of them so much about their faith. And they're just really thoughtful, kind people, really generous people. And so -- you know, of course, Kathie Lee is so inspiring always. And, you know, I just feel like she inspires me all the time, but in particular, the way she's talking about this.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. She's incredible. She's been a wonderful friend to everybody on this show, very good to people at FOX. She's an inspirational woman. I think they really learned to be together as a team, which was great to see a wonderful marriage like that.

You know, I just -- I pray for her and for the family, but you learn and you grow a lot by listening to her words and her perspective on it. And it really puts it all in balance.

KILMEADE: And they raised two great kids.


KILMEADE: So that's fantastic. All right. We've got to move ahead now. Still to come, Kirsten has some news for Democrats about Planned Parenthood. She says they are on the wrong side of history, and she'll tell them why next.


POWERS: Recently a series of videos have exposed some of Planned Parenthood's grotesque human-rights abuses against unborn children, yet Democrats, for the most part, have remained silent or are demonizing the activists who lifted the veil on the atrocities. Democrats are on the wrong side of history on this issue when it comes to these crimes.

Hillary Clinton today spoke out again in Planned Parenthood's defense.


HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I want to add my voice to all those who have expressed outrage and disappointment about the decision last week by the executive council to cut off funding for Planned Parenthood in New Hampshire. It's appalling that three men sitting in the chambers of the executive council would deny women across this state the health care they need and deserve. We need more leaders like Governor Hassan and Senator...


POWERS: OK. That's pathetic. I'm sorry. But invoking this three men thing, let's just remember who decided Roe v. Wade. A bunch of men, right? But now men can't have opinions on things.

And I'd love -- you know anybody out there who hasn't seen these videos, particularly Democrats need to watch these videos.

There was an article today by a columnist, Ruben -- I don't know how to say it.

PERINO: Navarrette?

POWER: Yes. And he -- he basically says, "I'm not sure if I'm pro-choice anymore after watching the videos." He only watched the videos because his mother -- I mean, his wife bullied him into it, basically.

I think a lot of people kind of, like, keep their heads in the sand about this.

And you know, Dana, we were talking during the break. I mean, what do you think about what Hillary is saying? I mean, she's basically saying, "Don't defund Planned Parenthood."

PERINO: I agree with the Hillary of two weeks ago, who said that all of the organizations or companies that actually do this type of procedure need to be investigated. She was trying to give Planned Parenthood some cover, but she actually said -- she was disturbed by it, and she wanted it investigated.

Then when the political pressure got hard, she decided to change her mind. And now she is -- she is doing something that is political. But it's actually what worked in her favor.

All the polls today in Iowa, New Hampshire, and I'm sorry, I can't remember the third state, showed about a 60 percent approval for keeping Planned Parenthood funded by the federal government.

I don't know -- so I don't know if I -- I would go forward with the defunding vote, but I wouldn't fall on my sword on it. Because I think it's actually not enough. I actually think it doesn't -- even if you were to defund it, it doesn't mean that this practice isn't going to continue, and it's the practice that should be ended.

GUILFOYLE: Well, that's why you need an investigation, to make sure that a stop is put to this kind of atrocity.

But you know, I applaud your courage and using your voice and your position to be able to come forward. I think you're 100 percent correct that if people see this and don't keep their head in the sand, they will be appalled by it. And I believe those numbers would, in fact, change. There's a very small amount of people that have actually seen this.

I know even just my own personal positions and then when I went and saw that trial of Dr. Gosnell and how horrifying that was. If people had sat through that trial and saw those images and saw the video that they presented there, it would change your mind.

POWERS: I mean, they're -- they talk about in one of these videos delivering intact fetuses.


POWERS: How do you do that? I mean, no one has answered that question. How does this baby come out intact? Because the way they normally do an abortion is they inject it. They inject the fetus or the baby so the heart will stop or, as one of the videos tells us, they crush them. You know?

So they're not doing either. How are these -- where are these babies being killed? Are they outside the body or inside the body?

BOLLING: You're talking about the process. And Dana points out that needs to stop. That's one issue.

The other issue is funding Planned Parenthood because -- not because of the process they're using. Because they're profiting on it. The reason why they wanted the intact baby is because they can sell it for more than a part. A baby split up into parts doesn't get as much as a full baby.

That practice alone shows that they're not doing the process and selling or donating to science at cost.


BOLLING: They're not doing that. What they're trying to do is maximize profit for a fetus, for a baby.

POWERS: So Brian, what Planned Parenthood would say in response to this and what they have said is, they said, "No, no, no, we're just getting reimbursed." Right? But if it's just reimbursement, wouldn't that just be a set fee schedule? Why do you have to negotiate that? I mean, it costs a certain amount to do a certain procedure. It should have a range. Why are they, in these videos, trying to raise the price?

KILMEADE: I've never seen a controversial piece of video, let alone life and death of the babies, so poorly argued by the other side. Yet, nobody in the middle is picking it up and saying how absurd the explanation is. I feel like I'm in a parallel universe. They talk about intact babies in video number five.

I also want to say this. I don't care where you stand on this issue, you have to give credit to the Center for Medical Progress. They put these videos together and are making the American people, if they are sober enough to pay attention and can quiet down their lives long enough to take a look, to make the American people pay attention and maybe take a fresh look at where they stand on Roe v. Wade.


KILMEADE: And what is pro-life. Because if you walk around to anybody out here, how many people are anti-baby? Not one. But if you looked at these videos? It's the same thing.

POWERS: Well, also, this isn't a pro-choice, pro-life issue anyway. You can be pro-choice and be opposed to what's happening in these videos. You can say...

PERINO: Exactly.

KILMEADE: Why not say it? Yes.

POWERS: ... you know, they're doing. But everyone, just watch the videos. Please.

"One More Thing" is up next.


GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing" -- Ms. Dana.

BASH: OK. I had a great weekend. I'm sure everybody was wondering. I was in South Carolina, and I wanted to show you a couple of pictures.

As you know, I go to South Carolina a lot. We had a barbecue, and I got to dance with these moms and their daughters. I think we have a picture. That's actually me holding a baby. I know. Nobody can believe it. That's Lauren and Charlie and then Macy and Tracy. So anyway, we had fun. We danced a lot. It was great.

And then these are my grand twins -- I am Grandma America -- with Jasper in South Carolina. Sebastian and Rachel.

And then this was the hit of the weekend. We did this over and over again. It's not the perfect video, but we really tried working with kids and children.





PERINO: We did it 342 times. That's probably -- I'm underestimating how many times, because Jasper was not cooperating.

GUILFOYLE: That's hilarious.

BOLLING: That is a great weekend.

PERINO: Congratulations, kids, on being "One More Thing" worthy.

GUILFOYLE: Want to see you jump in the pool like that, Dana.

BOLLING: That's great. Did the kids have to wait for Jasper to go?

PERINO: Yes. It was like, one, two, three, go. But he doesn't understand that.

GUILFOYLE: OK. We've got to put a treat in front of him. Bolling.

KILMEADE: That was his brave one (ph).

GUILFOYLE: All right, Bolling. Keep it moving.

BOLLING: OK. Very quick. Big week. "The Factor," I'm going to host "The Factor" all week, so make sure you DVR it. Tonight Ann Coulter and Rand Paul. Now, they're separate blocks. We'll have separate debates. And they will be surrounding the huge media frenzy that's going around Donald Trump.

And by the way, both of them have opposite views of Donald Trump. Ann tends to like him. Rand Paul, like I said, called him a fake conservative. So we'll check it out. Eight p.m. tonight, "The Factor." And all week.

GUILFOYLE: All right. I love martial arts. I used to take Tae Kwon Do and Shaolin Kempo Karate, and so does my little one, Ronan. But here is Rohan doing Tae Kwon Do at Peak Tae Kwon Do Business Center in Temecula, California, trying to break some boards. Take a look.




GUILFOYLE: What a good little guy. And he did earn his belt. Well done, little man. And that was six million views. Probably more now. But anyway, very cute video.

KILMEADE: All right. Greatest basketball player ever, Michael Jordan, what would he do if he was not a great athlete? We finally found out, because he had his big sports camp that he has ever single summer. And he was asked any question. The kids could ask him any question. The question was, "What would you do if you weren't a basketball player?"


MICHAEL JORDAN, NBA HALL OF FAMER: I got my degree. I always wanted to be the weather man. You guys are laughing, but that's what I really wanted to do. So if I wasn't playing basketball or baseball, I would have been doing the weather.


KILMEADE: How great is that?

GUILFOYLE: All right. Kirsten.

PERINO: Everybody loves a weatherman.

GUILFOYLE: What do you have?

PERINO: Weather person, weather woman.

POWERS: Yes. So mine is more just a reflection, I think, on what's going on in politics, which is just looking at this Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders. It's sort of -- finally sort of hitting me just how angry people are, I think. And seeing how they're kind of two sides of the same coin. They're very different, you know, voters obviously, but they're just people who are really, really fed up. And I think that we just have a lot of really angry people in this country.

GUILFOYLE: You're right about that. I've got a guy...


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