THE FIVE

Debate moderators Bret Baier, Chris Wallace preview first Republican primary showdown

Moderators break down format, expectations #GOPDebate

 

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 5, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

We are exactly 24 hours away from the first debate of 2016, and 28 hours away from the primetime showdown between the candidates in the Top 10. We are joined now by two of the moderators of that debate at 9:00 p.m. Eastern. Bret Baier and Chris Wallace are live in Cleveland and join "The Five" now. Gentlemen, get ready to rumble. We're very excited about the debate. We're going to kick it off with some questions to see what kind of level of preparation? Can you hear me? Yes? Make a little wave if you can.

BRET BAIER, HOST, "SPECIAL REPORT": Kimberly, you're not going to believe this, but we can't hear you at this moment. The feed just dropped.  I hope this isn't the thing that's -- that's technically.

CHRIS WALLACE, HOST, "FOX NEWS SUNDAY": As important as "The Five" is better now than.

BAIER: Tomorrow night.

WALLACE: Yes, exactly.

BAIER: Until we can hear you, we'll tell you we just got out of a question meeting. We've been working on these questions as we talked about for a long time trying to hone them down, and ideally trying to get candidates off their talking points. And I think it's going to be pretty exciting.  There's a lot on the table.

WALLACE: There is a lot on the table. And obviously, you know, 10 candidates, people trying to sort out these various candidates. And let's face it, part of it is also the Donald Trump show because he's been the big X factor in this entire campaign. Obviously, I think shocked the political world with how well he's done. And as you can see, he's going to be in the center podium, right in the very center of the stage, all the other professional politicians all to the sides. And we don't know quite how he's going to perform. Will he act like another politician? He sure hasn't up to this point. The question is will he on this very big stage -- the biggest stage of the campaign or will he be the Donald Trump that you either know -- that we all know, we either like or hate from Celebrity Apprentice and his other appearances.

BAIER: Yeah, just to give you a sense, this place is huge. There'll be 4,500 people here. The stage is great. The desk up there, they're working on all the technical stuff now. And you see -- now we can hear. I can just hear you now. There we go.

GUILFOYLE: All right. So now let's get cooking.

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GUILFOYLE: We enjoyed your commentary back and forth, between two ferns, that was fantastic. So we got that Trump is the middle and he's been driving the bus. We'll see what kind of level of preparation and specificity he's going to bring. He's certainly been the big talker. What I want to know is how you gentlemen have prepared for this debate and kind of lay out for us how it's going to go in terms of the format, what can the candidates expect?

BAIER: Well, you can expect that they will be pressed on various issues.  If you look at the -- any poll, Associated Press, our poll, the issues that Americans care about, those things will be asked about. It is also going to be a format that enables interaction. And there will be likely some fireworks just by the phrasing of the questions as we have them now.

WALLACE: Yeah. And there are about a half dozen major buckets as we call that. And we're not going to tell you what they are. But if you had to guess in your living room, you know, major topics, foreign and domestic, that you would want to hear what these candidates have to say. And Bret, Megyn, and I have divided them up, we have each taken two. We'll do some other things in it. When we ask a question, somebody's going to get a minute to respond. If they call out another candidate, Candidate A says something lousy about Candidate B, candidate b gets 30 seconds to respond.  If Candidate B in the course of his answer insults Candidate A, Candidate A gets 30 seconds to respond to him. At some point, we would call an end to that. But, you know, you want a little bit of jockeying. That's what a debate is about.

BAIER: There'll be some moderator discretion, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: I like that, but I like this new format where you'll be able to like poke the cage and get a response back. It should be pretty interesting. Dana, you have a question.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I was going to ask something that Chris already answered which is how you're going to break it up between domestic issues and foreign policy. But let me ask you something specific today. There could be a unifying moment I think amongst all the Republicans that represent the broad 10, Big 10. They represent them all.  But President Obama today on the Iran deal said that just because Iranian hard liners chant death to America does not mean that's what all Americans believe. He went on to say it's those hard liners chanting death to America who have been most opposed to the deal. They're making common cause with the Republican caucus.

And tomorrow night will be first time that the Republicans have a chance to respond to President Obama, not just on the foreign policy question, but also on the questionable way that President Obama has dealt with the Congress.

BAIER: Yeah. I mean, I think that's a great question. I bet it will end up as part of our talk about Iran. You're right. There'll be a unifying message coming out of all these candidates on that, responding to that very line. I mean, I didn't see the speech, but I read it as we were in that meeting. And definitely, raised some eyebrows. I think it will get a lot of reaction.

WALLACE: And also, the president sort of suggesting that some of the people who are opposing the deal with Iran are the same people that supported getting us into war with Iraq, saying in effect you were wrong about that war. You're wrong about this. There's going to be some red meat. Look, we certainly want to see these Republicans go at each other, but we'll give them plenty of an opportunity to make their case against Barack Obama, and maybe more to the point to make their case against the person they're most likely to face in November of 2016, Hillary Clinton.

GUILFOYLE: Eric Bolling, followup?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yeah, I'm doing the math here, you guys, it's a tall order. You're probably going to have about what, 85 minutes or less of time to talk to 10 different people, six different buckets as you point out. If it becomes too much of a back and forth, let's just say some two or three candidates want to take shots at Trump, he takes shots back, how are you going to bring in the other ones? Are you going to be able to cut them off and say let's bring in Ben Carson, whom I guess wouldn't be the one taking a shot at Donald Trump, and may get left out before he gets a chance to really show the American public what he has to bring.

BAIER: Yeah, that's a great question. It is real time, Eric, and that we are balancing out the number of questions, the amount of time each candidate talks. They're in our ear telling us exactly where we are time- wise. We're going to try to be as fair and equal as we can to all 10 candidates. As you do the math and take out the commercials, it ends up being about 110 minutes. But we're not counting.

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WALLACE: And I have to tell you, if there is blood on the floor here in Cleveland, it was in our question room because we realized we've all written questions for each of the 10 candidates on each of our buckets.  And the math doesn't add up.

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WALLACE: You just loved we've been told today you may be get to ask seven candidates questions, but have to give up three of those question that you cherish. If that does happen then we'll make sure that the candidates who didn't get questions in one bucket get asked questions in the next bucket.  So we're going to try to keep it reasonably fair.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Greg.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Bret, first thanks for filling in for me last minute. I had a volleyball scrimmage with Stossel. I can't miss it.

BAIER: Your sweater wouldn't have worked in this set, anyway.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: You guys aren't ready for peach. My question for both of you.

BAIER: I thought it's hot salmon.

GUTFELD: Yeah. Well, that was my nickname in high school. My question, the debate is taking place at the Quicken Loans Arena. While you're there, can you ask a mortgage specialist if I should refinance my 30-year fixed rate to a 15-year fixed rate? And then ask the candidates.

BAIER: I think we can do that down the road, very quickly.

WALLACE: Are you sure you don't want a 5-1 adjustable?

GUTFELD: The adjustable arms I don't trust, Chris.

GUILFOYLE: No, he is right. I told you to get the adjustable rate mortgage. He doesn't listen.

GUTFELD: I do the interest only on your advice. Don't do interest only, America.

BAIER: I will say this, a lot of Cleveland Cavaliers stuff here.  Obviously, the Cavaliers play here. Chris is trying to get some LeBron James thing signed.

WALLACE: Actually, I'm thinking because LeBron James plays here, I'm thinking of beginning the debate with some rosin (ph). Come back to the shot of me, guys.

(LAUGHTER)

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WALLACE: Then I'm going to go like that and spin is going to go up in the air. But I figure that would go flat, so I probably won't do it.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh, The Five have almost destroyed the debate. You two fine gentlemen. My goodness, Juan Williams, don't worry. You recognize this man from Special Report. He's here to save the day.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, you know, guys, I really think this is the Trump Show as it's being called. And so, you know, I've been in those meetings with you where we're preparing for the debate. And one of the issues is about what happens when somebody starts to just -- you know, pontificate or not answer your question. Do you interrupt? And if you interrupt, then you have to start the clock again. How do you deal with Donald Trump?

BAIER: Well, we've talked about it. Every candidate is going to be treated the same, Juan, as far as the rules, the warnings, the buzzer.  And, you know, if they continue to talk, and it's not just Donald Trump but anybody else, we have ways to kind of move on.

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WILLIAMS: Do you cut him off?

BAIER: Ideally, we're going to keep it moving.

WILLIAMS: Would you cut him off?

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BAIER: We do have a trap door.

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WALLACE: And, you know, at a certain point, Bret -- he can hit the button and boom, the guy disappears from the stage.

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PERINO: Basically, they're going to do to the candidates, Juan, what they have to do to you on "Special Report."

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WILLIAMS: Oh, oh, oh, yeah.

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WILLIAMS: With all great respect, I mean, these guys should be the ones moderating the debate. They're very good. But the thing is with someone like me, you have no hesitation about cutting me off. How are you going to cut off Donald Trump?

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BAIER: That's true.

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GUTFELD: Here we go.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Move on.

BAIER: I tell you what. We will have ways to move onto the next thing.  And I think we're going to do it in as non-disruptive way as we can.

WALLACE: But just to go back to give you a sense of how much we plotted this out, you may remember that one disastrous debate from the last cycle, the way we signaled that you used up your 60 seconds was something that sounded like a doorbell. And we got hundreds or thousands of angry e-mails from people all over the country because their dogs whenever they heard the bing-bong had run to the front door because they thought that somebody was at the door. So it won't be -- in fact we're talk about.

BAIER: We can't.

WALLACE: We can't tell what it is?

BAIER: No, it's a secret.

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GUILFOYLE: Exactly.

WALLACE: A buzzer like at the end of the 24 seconds. Anyway.

GUILFOYLE: OK. So, now, what do you guys expect there's going to be probably like the hot button topics during this debate that you expect to see some interchange between the candidates?

BAIER: I mean, you name the issue -- the candidates have different approaches, different things that they've said, different things that they've done. And you know, seeing them interact on those issues, whether it's on foreign policy, on common core, on the economy, there are a number of different times when you can point to people, NSA. You can talk the gamut. There are different views and 10 candidates on the stage.

WALLACE: And one of the things that is so interesting, and I think why this is such a big kickoff to sort of the official campaign, is because of the fact a lot of these guys have said bad things about each other. I don't mean just personally about their policies over the last six or eight months. Now, you'll say hey, this guy has said this about you. Why is he wrong? And you hope that they'll instead of saying it behind each other's backs that they'll say it to each other's face.

BOLLING: But it's important to say that's not the whole debate. There'll be a lot of substance where they're going to lay out what they believe and how they're going to lead the country if they actually become president. I think there is going to be a good balance in between the two.

I would love to know, who -- how they're going to beat Hillary Clinton.  I'm expecting a lot of in fighting going back and forth, maybe there will be some jockeying for position in the polls and that's good for each individual candidate. I get that. But for the American public out there, they probably want to know who's electable, who is the one that's going to be electable against a Hillary Clinton, or whoever may be coming from the left?

WALLACE: Don't worry, Eric. That will be covered as well. It's a very good point. It's something we discussed today. They'll get an opportunity to talk about that.

BAIER: And we should point out that they'll also have a closing statement in this debate, 30 seconds to wrap up that will be their own time at the end of the debate, so they can say whatever they want to say.

GUILFOYLE: Dana.

PERINO: Can you tell me then how long do they each get for an opening statement? And I'm curious about if you've heard anything about their social media plans. Because while the television time is really important, arguably now going into the 2016 election, the social media work that each of the candidates will be doing behind the scenes is as important, I would imagine.

BAIER: Dana, no opening statements at all. We're getting right to it.

PERINO: OK.

BAIER: So once we start, it's on. And then -- and as far as social media, we haven't really delved into how each candidate is dealing with them. But all of them -- all 10 of them have a big presence.

WALLACE: And there was an interesting story in the New York Times today and they had a picture of the wall at Rand Paul Headquarters where they are game planning for all of the web sites, all of the Twitter handles. I have to laugh because the very first two at top were @bretbaier and @megynkelly, no @chriswallace because it doesn't exist.

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WALLACE: It's some guy in his pajamas in his mother's basement.

GUILFOYLE: Put one up for tonight. Throw them a curveball. All right.  What do you have, Greg?

GUTFELD: This is a question that I'm sure millions of Americans are wondering. You have 10 people on that stage. Arguably, one of them is going have to go to the bathroom over this time. How do you deal with bathroom breaks during debates?

BAIER: Well, actually, it's a great question. We have the Quicken Loans Catheter. I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. No

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BAIER: It will be commercial breaks. There'll be plenty of time.

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GUTFELD: William Devane brings the catheter out and it's made of silver.

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GUILFOYLE: Very presidential. I love America. You can capitalize and monetize anything, OK? You have a catheter sponsored by Quicken Loans. Go ahead, Juan. Top that.

WILLIAMS: Well, guys -- so, guys, who gets the first question? Does it automatically go to Trump, you go down the line, or people raise their hands say I want to get in here?

BAIER: Juan is asking like really pointed, specific questions. I mean, he wants to know the layout. I'll e-mail you the rundown once we have it all locked in. We won't talk about who gets the first question. It will not be by -- we're not going to talk about the order.

GUILFOYLE: Not going to go by rank.

WALLACE: In other words, it's not going to go to Trump.

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WALLACE: They should all be ready for the first question.

GUILFOYLE: I love it. I want to play poker with you guys sometime.

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BAIER: We're really good, aren't we? Saying the things we can't say.

GUILFOYLE: Right. Exactly.

PERINO: You need work on your press secretary skills.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, that went well. All right, good luck, gentlemen, tonight and to Megyn Kelly, our other colleague. It is going to be one you don't want to miss. All right. We can't wait to watch tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. Eastern.

Before we go, special programming note, don't miss Fox News online coverage tomorrow, join some of your favorite Fox News stars for the Fox News Facebook debate, digital chat at 6:00 p.m. and 11:00 p.m. Eastern Time.

And up next, our advice for the candidates. You don't want to miss this.  Stay tuned.

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PERINO: All right. We are back now with more on tomorrow's big debate.  We had a really good time on the commercial break. That's why I'm laughing. Here are some of the 10 candidates getting ready to square off in primetime. Take a look.

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DONALD TRUMP, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I really just want to be myself. I know the subject matter very well. I've been talking about it for a long time. I guess I've been talking about it for many years.

SEN. TED CRUZ, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think it's a continuation of a debate we've been having for a number of months, which is what is the right direction for the Republican Party, how do we win, and how do we turn the country around?

MIKE HUCKABEE, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm going to try to do my best to communicate to the American people and have a good time.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO, R-FLA., PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I just want to be in the debate. We're glad we're going to have a chance to do it. Voters take their job of selecting the next president very seriously. So we're ready and we're really excited to be a part of this.

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PERINO: OK. That's what the candidates think they should do -- well, four of the 10. Greg, do you have any suggestions for the candidates as the get ready for tomorrow?

GUTFELD: Well, I guess talk about specifics. People are tired of broad strokes and platitudes. How can you unify a divided country, a country that's riddled with negativity? If you can come up with an answer to that, I think that's pretty good. Also, how did your political evolution happen?  Like if you look at Donald I'm curious, I want to know like how he went from universal healthcare, really pro-immigration, pro-taxes, and become like a real hard core conservative. I want to know how that happened. For the candidates, dealing with Trump, he may be the most famous, widely known candidate from a pop culture standpoint in the history of presidential politics. I can't think of somebody in this modern era. And that does things to people. I can't think of somebody in this modern era. And that does things to people. And you have to remember to yourself that it's a man and it's not a myth. Fan boy crushes are not going to be helpful for you up on the dais. You've got to treat him like another candidate.

PERINO: So, Kimberly, do you think they need to practice for their perfect moment or do those things happen spontaneously?

GUILFOYLE: OK. They have to be more concerned about making their case to the American people to say why someone should vote for him instead of the other 10 or one of the other 7 that are going to be at 5 o'clock, why should you be chosen? Everybody up there sure wants to be president, what are your specifics in terms of your experience that you bring to the table, your skill set, that's better than everybody else? What makes you uniquely qualified? Why should you be the choice? So if they're able to show that and convey that message in a very convincing way, I think it is going to be important. Then if somebody takes a jab at you, yeah, don't be afraid like to hit him back. You've got to stand and correct the record if someone makes an inaccurate statement. Mitt Romney missed that opportunity when that happened with Candy Crowley. And that was a pivotal turning point in the election, in momentum, and ultimately, you know, in the fall of his campaign and losing it.

PERINO: Eric, I think that you would love debate prep. You would love to be part of the debate prep, because you could game it out and have a strategy.

BOLLING: I think all of them -- I'm sure they all have. I think all of them probably will benefit from that with the exception of one. I think if Donald Trump tries to debate prep that will come across to viewers as oh, we really signed onto what he was saying because he spoke for us and it wasn't prepped, it wasn't political, it wasn't anything you can plan for, you just let it rip.

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BOLLING: Yeah, just right out of his mouth right from here, right to there. And people like that. If they're canned responses or canned reaction to someone else taking a shot -- Chris Christie said he's going to go after Donald Trump. We know he's already going to do that. A couple others have said they are going to go after him. If that looks like it's prepared on his behalf that could hurt him. In my opinion, I think he should just go for it. If he says something that's terrible, apparently, it resonates with the American people. The other ones, Rand Paul polls very well against Hillary Clinton, as good as any of the other ones against Hillary on head-to-head match-ups.

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BOLLING: If I were him, I would say just go right after that and say look, I'm not worried about Donald Trump. I'm worried about Hillary Clinton.  Kasich, I think is a story that's growing. It's really kind of interesting. And I think he came in so late, he's on that stage. Now, there's an opportunity for him to really talk about his years balancing budgets in D.C., which are fantastic. Then Scott Walker for him very loved, number three I believe in the polling. It's an opportunity for him -- we all know his stuff with unions. But the question about Scott Walker is where is he on foreign policy? Could he handle the foreign policy?

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PERINO: Piece.

BOLLING: Pull strings of a president. If he can get that somehow out there, those are four great candidates to look at.

PERINO: Juan, as another political outsider in the debate and that is Dr. Ben Carson, who I think has a chance to shine tomorrow night.

WILLIAMS: Well, it depends on what he -- you know, the question is what is the way, what's the platform, Dana that would elevate Ben Carson in this?  What people know about Ben Carson is he makes sometimes outrageous comments, Obamacare, slavery, and the like, gets himself in trouble with the gays comment and all the rest.

PERINO: I don't think that's what leads with Ben Carson.

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WILLIAMS: It's an opportunity for Ben Carson, I think, to come across as the thoughtful, caring person, conservative, the man who is an astoundingly capable neurosurgeon. And I think just to set himself apart from the crowd in that way. Now, let me say.

GUTFELD: You know what he should do, Juan?

WILLIAMS: What's that?

GUTFELD: You should have a friend fake a stroke.

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WILLIAMS: I think that would be great. I think that would be wonderful.  But I was just going to say, you know, in contrast, the way Eric is presenting this, I think what you're going to get from the moderators is specific questions. Like you're going to get somebody saying well, what do you think? Would you agree that 47 percent of Americans are just living off the land like Romney did or what do you think about cutting Social Security, which is a Christie idea? What do you think about that? Would you go ahead and cut Social Security? I think there'll be real questions put to the candidates. And the question in my mind is who answers in the most effective way that's convincing and doesn't sound like they're just using talking points.

PERINO: All right. I've got some do's and don'ts, but we don't have time.

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GUTFELD: One do and one don't.

PERINO: I'm going to be on The Kelly File tonight live. I will give you my do's and don'ts.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: The other show.

PERINO: One of them is that you have to stick the landing. How about that?

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GUILFOYLE: Oh, you little gymnast you.

PERINO: There you go. I have got lots of these planned for tonight.

GUTFELD: Stick the landing.

PERINO: So I will be on that show later on. Ahead, a very serious development in the Hillary Clinton e-mail scandal. And Greg Gutfeld has that for us next.

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GUTFELD: So apparently the FBI is now investigating Hillary Clinton's private e-mail setup. Poor Hill, this e-mail scandal has more staying power than her husband on a Cialis bender.

This can't be great for her party. The leading candidate is under scrutiny which now offers the easiest answer for GOP nominees. How do you stack up against Hillary? "Well, at least I'm not under federal investigation."

It also turns out that Hillary's smug entitlement, coming from being an historical first, is really her disadvantage. She's like a spoiled rich kid who wants a pony just so she can lord it over you. That pony is the presidency.

So where is this going? Who knows? Remember, she deleted the bad stuff before she turned over the e-mails, which is like clearing your web history before your wife decides to watch Netflix. She'd never understand your obsession with Asia and police uniforms.

With the Clintons it's all about drive: his sex and her thumb. But as her campaign takes a hit, we realize the previously anointed is thoroughly beatable. Maybe the Republicans do have a chance, if they don't screw it up. That's an "if" the size of Trump Tower.

The fact is, Hill's favorable ratings are dropping faster than Anthony Wiener's briefs on Snapchat. And it's women -- women -- who are ditching her. How ironic that both Clintons have female trouble. She can't get them to stay, and Bill can't get them to leave.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh. Terrible. Terrible.

GUTFELD: No.

PERINO: No.

GUTFELD: Dana would disagree (ph) with what you said, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Dana, terrible. You lost her at the costume thing. Go to Bolling.

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GUTFELD: Big trouble for Hillary? She's under investigation.

BOLLING: Doesn't seem to matter.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: Doesn't seem to matter what she does. I mean, she may have blood on her hands, and it won't seem to matter. They'll continue to cut her some slack. I'm guessing this isn't going to be talked about tonight on the evening news. We'll talk about it here.

GUILFOYLE: I don't see why (ph).

BOLLING: I find it fascinating again. We talk about it every time she talks on live TV, how it's nails to the blackboard and she becomes less likable. This interchange with Jeb Bush back and forth today? You listen to her, it's like, oh, that's the Hillary that the GOP wants. Keep doing it. Keep doing that. Because it's not that nice little pre-produced commercial that she puts out.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: Kind of likable there. But I tell you when you hear her talk, it's just....

GUTFELD: They need to keep her in a fish bowl film to keep the positive.

Juan, this can't be great for your party, you left-wing communist. I had to throw that in.

WILLIAMS: Yes. Hey, you know what? There's nothing good with the FBI coming at you.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: I mean, there's no way -- it's front-page news. And I think, Eric, everybody's going to talk about the FBI checking into Hillary Clinton and her e-mails.

BOLLING: Think so?

WILLIAMS: I think that -- this is why I was saying yesterday, I think Hillary Clinton, in essence now, running against the media, because she doesn't have anybody in the Democratic Party she's running against. And the media is winning at the moment. That's why you see the numbers dropping. Let's not go overboard. She's still plus 50. In any race, someone with more than 50 percent is doing pretty good. No one on the GOP side has anything close.

But I -- you know, what strikes me on that other thing, though, Greg, is I think lots of people want to see some fight out of Hillary Clinton.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: So when Jeb Bush comes out and says, "We're spending too much, all these billions, on women's healthcare," I think you get a lot of Democrats and especially the feminist left who say, "Go get 'em, girl!"

GUTFELD: Yes. But that was -- but it was so easy.

GUILFOYLE: You mean lady.

GUTFELD: So out of context.

WILLIAMS: Can't say "Go get 'em, girl"? That's not OK?

GUILFOYLE: We'll find out.

GUTFELD: So Kimberly, could it be that she might not be the nominee? Is it possible?

GUILFOYLE: Listen, I think anything is possible. Let's see what happens with this investigation. Let's see if her numbers continue to slip. Let's see if they're able to do in everybody else that wants to run against her, which is what I would count on more, that they're going to make it incredibly unpleasant for anyone who wants to challenge Hillary. Whether it's Biden, Bernie Sanders.

Look, Elizabeth Warren didn't get in, and she could have definitely made a strong commendable case for herself and for her ideology to get a lot of people involved in her movement and supporting her candidacy. That's what the Clintons do, and they're very good at it. I mean, that's why there's not 17 people running for the Democratic nomination.

GUTFELD: Yes. So you know what this is. Being a woman may not be enough for Hillary. That was what she was counting on, the gender historical first. She had that smug entitlement that "This was mine. This was mine."  And now it's like she's being undone by email.

PERINO: I'm going to disagree with Juan on one thing and agree with him on another.

I'm disagreeing with him that she's running against the media. She's running against herself. It was her decision to have a private email server, which was inappropriate, possibly illegal. And now she's got that trouble.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: The media just happens to be covering the story. It's actually Hillary Clinton made that decision. That's her judgment.

And also she is surrounded by people who didn't tell her that it was wrong.  She's emailing with people at the White House from a Hotmail account, and nobody says, "Gosh, I don't think that you can actually do that." And nobody tells her anything, because they can't tell her that she's doing something wrong.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: The thing I agree with Juan on is that, probably, the most effective thing that she has done, the only time she shows a little bit of willingness to fight and some teeth, is when she's going after Jeb Bush.  And it's not just on the women's health issue. It was on race, and it was on Iraq. And she has been willing to pounce on him.

She doesn't really pay attention to anybody else. So she might have to change that after the primary. But right now, I think that she's actually running against herself, because she can't get out of her own way.

GUTFELD: All right. Maybe we should cut her some slacks.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

GUTFELD: That's the line of the day, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Love it.

GUTFELD: Yes. Very good.

All right, next, while slamming Donald Trump for his remarks about Mexicans, Kelly Osbourne said something about Latinos she's now apologizing for, coming up.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BOLLING: While she's trying to take down Donald Trump for his comments about illegal immigrants, but Kelly Osbourne took herself down yesterday on "The View" with this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KELLY OSBOURNE, GUEST CO-HOST: If you kick every Latino out of this country, then who is going to be cleaning your toilet, Donald Trump?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, that's -- no, no --

OSBOURNE: In the sense that -- you know what I mean? But I'm saying that...

RAVEN-SYMONE, CO-HOST: There's more jobs to be --

OSBOURNE: In L.A.

ROSIE PEREZ, CO-HOST: Latinos are not the only people doing that.

OSBOURNE: No, I would never mean it like that. I'm not part of this argument.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: OK. A short while later, after some backlash, the TV personality posted an apology on Facebook, saying, quote, "I always take responsibility for my actions. In this particular case I will take responsibility for my poor choice of words, but I will not apologize for being a racist as I am not. I wholeheartedly blanked up today. By the way, I clean up my own blank F-ing toilet."

Sorry, K.G. She...

GUILFOYLE: I clean toilets, too. And fix them.

BOLLING: Does she realize she just indicted herself? She just called every Hispanic or Latino a toilet cleaner.

GUILFOYLE: Listen, she obviously had a brain meltdown. I mean, I can't make a value judgment on her to say that she's racist or not. That was a very inappropriate, totally offensive "wow," you know, comment. And it happened on a platform that everybody is going to see it and talk about it and, you know, dissect it.

So this was kind of her big shot, her big moment to be at the table there and kind of do an audition and a cam test. Not good.

BOLLING: And Greg, the -- Giuliana Rancic was, I believe, taken off TV or taken off one of her -- one of her duties on one of the network, because...

GUILFOYLE: "Fashion Police."

BOLLING: Kelly Osbourne -- yes, had a problem that she said.

GUTFELD: She was ticked off about a comment that Giuliana had made towards a young actresses and her hair that was perceived as racist. So this is the cruel face -- cruel fate of manufactured outrage. It's like a carousel. It always comes back around. So if you express outrage, trust me: in about a month it's going to come back to you.

But I'm going to have to defend her. A, what she said crudely and flippantly is what has been said by politicians for decades. Which is that recently arrived immigrants do the jobs that we no longer do. Trump has said it. Obama said it about changing sheets, remember? He said that the people that change your sheets? So these are -- in a weird way she was talking about the quiet, humble heroism of recently arrived immigrants who do the jobs we don't want to do. She just said it poorly.

GUILFOYLE: You just said it well.

GUTFELD: Yes, yes, yes. It's ironic that she's talking about toilets when she has a toilet brush on her head.

BOLLING: And also ironic is that she's -- you ever see "The Osbournes"?  Remember that show? Have you seen the house that she grew up in?

PERINO: Yes.

BOLLING: She comes from quite a bit of wealth.

PERINO: I think they were probably well taken care of, for sure.

Live TV is not easy. Is it live or taped? But anyway, it's live to tape.  And you have to have some self-awareness. Now, if you plan to try to attack somebody else by indicting an entire group of people, you have to rethink your self-awareness. Because that's what she did.

The other thing that bothers me about the left is that there is dignity in work.

GUTFELD: Yes. That's my point. Yes.

PERINO: There is stepping stones to something bigger. There are people who are willing to do all of the jobs, any jobs because they want to take care of their families; and we should celebrate that.

GUTFELD: I clean toilets.

BOLLING: Yes. I agree with Greg. I don't indict her, because we're on live TV or live to tape.

GUILFOYLE: But there's a long delay.

BOLLING: I don't think she really meant to say that it's bad.

GUTFELD: No, she didn't.

BOLLING: Right? So the apology. I mean, are you OK with the apology?

WILLIAMS: Sure. I just take -- I take her at her word, that she didn't mean that. And I hope she didn't mean that. I mean, I can't be too hard on anybody with purple hair. My wife at the moment has purple hair. But I just think that she doesn't -- didn't think it through. Didn't really apply the logic. I mean, obviously...

GUILFOYLE: Saying the hard work that they do.

WILLIAMS: No, but I mean, remember, we are really responding time and again to Donald Trump. And Donald Trump said rapists and murderers and thieves. It ain't that. I mean, we appreciate the work ethic. But good God.

GUTFELD: We're in a world now where we perceive people's intent even though we know we're wrong. We know. We know she didn't mean what she meant.

GUILFOYLE: Or mean what she said.

BOLLING: But Greg, if I said it, we would be destroyed. There would be people leaning over...

GUTFELD: That's why we have to be better than they are. We have to be better.

BOLLING: Apologize or we're fired.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: We are better.

WILLIAMS; Thank goodness.

PERINO: That's why you should always hire a conservative. They try harder. It's true.

GUTFELD: What's in that cup?

GUILFOYLE: I know. Optimism.

BOLLING: The aircraft wing part found on Reunion Island is from Flight MH- 370. Will a piece help solve the puzzle of what happened to the missing jet? Stick around.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WILLIAMS: One of the biggest mysteries in aviation history is one step closer to being solved. Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 disappeared without a trace in March of 2014. Today, Malaysia confirmed that a piece of a jet wing that washed up on an island in the Indian Ocean last week is, in fact, a wing from that doomed flight. Here's the country's prime minister.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NAJIB RAZAK, MALAYSIAN PRIME MINISTER: It is my hope that this confirmation, however tragic and painful, will at least bring certainty to the families and loved ones of the 239 people on board MH-370. They have our deepest sympathy and prayers.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WILLIAMS: Now Kimberly, it's not the case that everybody agrees.  Apparently, the National Transportation Safety Board and even Boeing say they have doubts that, in fact, this plane [SIC] comes from the doomed flight.

GUILFOYLE: OK. So perhaps they want to do more conclusive, exhaustive examinations. Right? So they're going to go in and make sure that they have all the forensic materials that they need.

Probably, if everyone can concur and agree that it's the same type of plane, the question whether some reasonable doubt is to whether or not it is in fact the exact plane that went down is what you're referring to.

WILLIAMS: Yes. You know what scares me, is that what do you mean, there are a bunch of planes just sitting in the ocean. Oh, my gosh.

PERINO: Right. If it's not that plane what plane could it be?

GUILFOYLE: Enter our conspiracy theorist.

BOLLING: No, no. There is no conspiracy here. It has to be the wing.  You -- every wire in there is marked. They're all numbered. All those parts inside that wing are. I'm sure -- I'm sure that they're going to end up finding that that's the plane.

GUILFOYLE: Ultimately.

BOLLING: How it came down is what, ultimately -- they're going and try to figure out what happened so it doesn't happen again. It's somewhat a little bit of closure for all the families who were wondering, well, what happened? Did it go down? Was it hijacked somewhere? Is it sitting somewhere? Are my loved ones still alive? If it -- if that helps a little bit to get the closure, I guess that's good.

GUILFOYLE: Unless someone planted the wing there to make them think it wasn't...

WILLIAMS: Stop messing with me.

GUILFOYLE: I'm trying to help Eric out.

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: Gregory, here's the thing. I think CNN, I mean, they just must be going bananas over there. They'll miss the debate, because they're going to go 360 back on this story.

GUILFOYLE: The plane, the plane.

GUTFELD: We made fun of CNN a lot. I really do believe this was one of the biggest stories, potentially, of a lifetime. Because it was a mystery.

And the fact is, we live in a world where we know what's going on. Every day we find out more and more about the world. But this is something that resisted -- resisted our abilities to figure it out.

And it could be anything. It could be terrorists. It could have been a suicide pilot. It could have been a malfunction. It could have been some kind of weird time black hole that sucked the plane. Who knows?

But the relatives, that's -- what Eric said is absolutely right. This is the pathway to closure. Imagine every day you're wondering what happened to your wife or your child. And maybe you will know. That's got to be -- that means everything.

WILLIAMS: But if it is the wing, doesn't that mean, then, that they can locate the plane? I'm amazed, by the way, that in the world we live in that you can hide an airplane anywhere.

BOLLING: They found the boat of those two poor -- the poor 14-year-olds in Florida, and it was in a couple of hours. It was 70 miles away from where it was supposed to be. This plane could be anywhere, the actual -- this is a floating piece that they found that washed up.

WILLIAMS: Dana, wouldn't you think that, with current satellites and things we could do a topographical thing under the ocean?

PERINO: Well, that was the thing, right? There are so many things on a plane, including the seats, that would float. So it was unusual. But it's a huge area.

And also, like it's kind of -- we can't control everything. Right? So there are -- Mother Nature, maybe it was a natural thing. Who knows?

The other thing, though, that this does, the closure for the families but also the closure to those who think that this plane was being retrofitted with some sort of biological or nuclear bomb that was going to be used against innocent people in some sort of terrorist act. Hopefully, this will lead us to a conclusion that that is not what happened to that plane.

WILLIAMS: Wow. More conspiracy theories. "One More Thing" coming up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing." Greg, what have you got?

GUTFELD: It's time for...

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Greg's Secret to Happiness. Now with creamy nougat.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: You know what's good for happiness? Revenge, especially when you're a cat. Let's watch.

GUILFOYLE: Revenge.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(MAN PLAYING GUITAR LOUDLY TO WAKE UP CAT, THEN KICKING IT)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: That's not nice.

BOLLING: That's not nice.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God!

PERINO: Is that for real?

BOLLING: Smack that guy.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(CAT CLIMBS UP STAIRS BEHIND MAN AND JUMPED ON HIS HEAD)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: I don't know -- that has to be real. Because you can't train a cat to do that.

GUILFOYLE: Come on.

GUTFELD: Cats don't do tricks.

GUILFOYLE: Where did you get that?

GUTFELD: I found it somewhere. But all I know it's beautiful. But that's not fate.

PERINO: That's cat karma.

GUILFOYLE: That was like -- it was also animal abuse, too.

GUTFELD: Well, the cat did all right.

GUILFOYLE: You're right. Revenge can make you happy. Dana.

PERINO: All right. So you might have seen last night the CMA Music Festival.

GUTFELD: Oh, yes.

PERINO: Luke Bryan performed. I'm sure you might have checked it out.  But what you might not know is that Yankee Candle Company is unveiling the Luke Bryan candle, available August 7. And this is actually a real thing.  And apparently, it smells like vanilla bourbon.

GUILFOYLE: That is the worst "One More Thing" ever!

PERINO: No, it's not!

GUILFOYLE: Yes, yes. Two thumbs down from the Romans.

GUTFELD: She burned you.

GUILFOYLE: So weird.

Are you going to get that candle?

PERINO: I'm not going to get that candle. I'm going to hold out for the Dierks Bentley candle, exactly.

K.G., I thought you would like that.

GUILFOYLE: No, I mean, I love it. But what man smells like, what was it, bees wax?

BOLLING: Toby Keith's would be red solo cup with beer.

GUILFOYLE: Vanilla bourbon. You're right. Guys don't smell like vanilla.

PERINO: K.G. has busted on me all week now.

WILLIAMS: All right. So here's an example of getting by with a little help from my friends. Because this "One More Thing" comes to me thanks to Kimberly and Sean, her producer, who sent it to Brooke, my producer.

PERINO: She didn't want to do it.

WILLIAMS: And showed me the cutest video ever of a little dog teaching a baby how to crawl.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(DOG DEMONSTRATING CRAWLING FOR BABY)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, all over the place now. Coming this way. Griffith is showing you how to do it. Look at him. Look what Griffith's doing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: Pretty cute. It's a contest between you and Greg right now.

GUTFELD: A hairy baby.

GUILFOYLE: I love it. That shows that Juan can listen to reason.

WILLIAMS: That was a good one. Thanks to Kimberly.

PERINO: K.G. passed on it, so she heard it must be true.

GUILFOYLE: Because I have an assignment. That's why.

PERINO: I see.

BOLLING: So very quickly I'm going to be on Twitter, on Facebook, hashtag #WakeUpAmerica, for both the debates, the 5 p.m. and also the 9 p.m., which is going to kick off at 8:50 p.m. Watch them both. And I don't know, comment along with me, hashtag #WakeUpAmerica.

PERINO: Going to take up all your...

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