This is a rush transcript from "Your world," August 4, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
NEIL CAVUTO, HOST: Will it or will it not be a bad day for Rick Perry? Well, obviously, Hillary Clinton still thinks he's a big deal. Take a look.
RICK PERRY, R-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think people, whether they are pro-choice or not, should be offended greatly to what they're seeing out of those videos. As a matter of fact, I call for the nonprofit status of Planned Parenthood to be pulled.
CAVUTO: You know, Governor, a lot of people have taken this on the other side, the Democrats and liberals, that Republicans' opposition to Planned Parenthood is tantamount to a war on women, the same attack line they used when going after Mitt Romney.
How would you respond to that?
PERRY: Well, it's just not true. I mean, it's how they try to deflect off of.
These videos are not defensible. When you look and see what Planned Parenthood has been up to for all these many years, it's one of the reasons that we pulled the funding of Planned Parenthood in the state of Texas. We realized what was going on some years ago. We are for expanding health care for women. And, as I said, we did that in the state of Texas. It can happen in those states, but it's not the federal government's responsibility to be funding that type of activity at all.
CAVUTO: Would you take it so far as -- Donald Trump had said that he thinks this is worth shutting down the government over this Planned Parenthood vote. In other words, the vote that came up short yesterday in the Senate, he would push it to a make-or-break situation, and even risk shutting the government down.
I think he was saying this on Hugh Hewitt's radio show. What do you make of that?
PERRY: Well, I think this is what's wrong with Washington, D.C., that they can't find a way to work together.
This idea that you have got to shut government down is really outside the realm of what people outside of Washington believe. We didn't shut government down in the state of Texas. We worked together to find solutions, and I think that's what they need to do in Washington, D.C.
CAVUTO: But are there such things -- I think what he's intimating at and some of your competitors were hinting at, Governor, is that there are some issues, moral or otherwise, that get to the point where, if the other side refuses to see what's at stake, it is worth putting the running of government itself at stake.
In other words, it is worth shutting down to bring these points up. And you say what?
PERRY: I think this is the same kind of false narrative that you had in the Iranian negotiation, that it's either sign this negotiation or we go to war.
There are a lot more ways to get things done than standing up and taking a stand and say we're going to shut government down. Find a way to make government work. I think that's what Americans are looking for, whether it's dealing with the defunding of Planned Parenthood or whether it's the funding of our military.
CAVUTO: Are you surprised, Governor -- and we don't know how these polls will turn out and who will be at which debate on Thursday. It probably in the scheme of things doesn't mean anything. But I am surprised, even at this stage, as a lot of your competitors are, that Donald Trump is still rising in the polls and his negatives are going down. Why do you think that is?
PERRY: Well, I know one thing, that, in 2007, Mayor Giuliani, who was a celebrity in his own right at that the particular point in time, was at the top of the polls, as was Fred Thompson, another celebrity candidate.
So, I don't know whether that has anything to do with it or not, but I wouldn't be surprised. We will see in the long run. This is a long, long campaign. We are going to have to stand up, talk about the things we care about, put our names and our good judgment on the line relative to our philosophy.
So, are you for single-payer health care or are you for the states deciding these issues, are you for the people deciding these issues? Those are questions that are all going to get asked in debate settings and there's not going to be any dodging them.
CAVUTO: You know, Governor, again, I don't know which debate you will be in or how it will all sort out. But I almost think not to be in the prime-time debate might actually be a favor for those in the early debate, in that they don't have to compete or risk getting the oxygen sucked out of the room with a Donald Trump.
I don't mean to disparage Mr. Trump, nor do I mean to disparage you or your counterparts, but that it might be a better venue to be in the early debate because more of a chance to focus on those issues. What do you say?
PERRY: Regardless of where we are on the debate, whether it's the 5:00 or the 9:00 debate, it's going to be with some very substantial people, and I look forward to laying out, and letting people, remind people that I was the governor of the 12th largest economy in the world for 14 years.
I have worn the uniform of this country. The veterans out there respect me for that, and the people who understand that we need a commander in chief who not only respects them highly, but also understands what they go through, and having been the commander and chief for the Texas National Guard and the multiple deployments that we have had. And my economic record, put it up against anybody on the stage.
CAVUTO: You know, Governor, are you surprised that -- no one doubts how tough you are. You put those 3,000 troops on the border to deal with the porous border, but you were asked yesterday, and I didn't quite understand your answer, about what you would do for the illegals who are here right now.
Would you ship them back? Would you grant them amnesty? What would you do for the millions who are already here?
PERRY: Well, again, there are a lot of really smart people that I will be working with to address that issue, but that's not what Americans care about right now. They want to see this border secure.
They have heard this deflective conversation for 30 years about how do you deal with the people that are here? Ronald Reagan signed a piece of legislation that gave over four million of them amnesty, but the border was not secure.
CAVUTO: No, I understand that. I understand that. You want them to tighten the border.
PERRY: ... believe that this border is going to be secured. Then they will have this conversation with the American people.
CAVUTO: OK, but a lot of people want to know, if there are 10 million, 20 million illegals who are here and that they have obviously gotten through or slipped the cracks, some for a generation, generations, is a President Perry going to do anything about shipping them back, deporting them, some of them, all of them, what?
PERRY: President Perry will lay out at the appropriate time how he would deal with this, but not until we get the border secure, Neil.
That's what people care about, and that's what we're going to be focused on. And we know how to do it. You put the personnel on the border. You have the strategic fencing in place. You put those aviation assets from Tijuana to El Paso to Brownsville, flying them 24/7, looking down, making that analysis, and then sending quick-response teams.
At that particular point in time, the border will be secure and we can have the conversation about how to deal with the people that are here.
CAVUTO: What you just told me -- with all do respect, Governor, what you just told me isn't a lot different than what Hillary Clinton said on Keystone: I will get back to you if I become president.
What you told me there is: I will deal with this if I become president.
PERRY: With all do respect, Neil, there's only one person on that stage that knows how that secure the border. And it's me.
PERRY: Because I have done it.
CAVUTO: He still didn't answer my question, but we will see what happens. All right.
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