Who is pushing the 'Joe Biden for president' narrative?

Report: Vice president considering White House run


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 3, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, and Jesse Watters. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Hillary Clinton doesn't have a lot of competition right now in her bid for the democratic nomination, so it's -- that gonna change. Listen.


GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, ABC'S GOOD MORNING SHOW HOST: Is there any chance you can challenge her?

JOE BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Yes, there's a chance, but I've made up my mind about that. I don't think you have to make up your mind until the summer. That's a family personal decision that I'm going to make sometime at the end of the summer.


PERINO: It's now August and the speculation about Joe Biden entering the race is picking up some scene.


BILL HEMMER, AMERICA'S NEWSROOM SHOW HOST: You said he's thinking about it, right?

JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: He said that he's thinking about it more importantly. He would.

HEMMER: No, and with the president.

EARNEST: he would know.

HEMMER: Would the president like to see that? Would he support that?

EARNEST: Well, the president ultimately wants democratic voters to decide who they believe the nominee should be. And the president certainly believes that a spirited contest would be in the best interest of our party and the best interest of our country. And -- but ultimately, our country and our party are going to be best served by candidates deciding for themselves if they have their fire in the belly to decide to run for president.


PERINO: And what does the Clinton camp think about the possibility of a Biden run?


JENNIFER PALMIERI, COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, HILLARY FOR AMERICA: I have a great deal of love for Vice President Biden, a lot of respect ever, so do the Clintons, everyone on the campaign, and we're going to let him make his decision and otherwise stay out of it.


PERINO: And the -- we don't want to really talk about it. Kimberly.


PERINO: You love this story. I think you're into it.

GUILFOYLE: I am into it. I've been hearing a lot about this from many different reliable sources. I think he would be a fantastic candidate. I would love to see him get in the race because I don't think it should be a layup for Hillary Clinton. I don't think we should elect someone just because they are woman. Who has the best qualifications? Who believes they can best serve the country? I want to listen to everybody, and I want to hear what Joe Biden has to say and he's obviously, served his country well. I mean, not saying I'm going to go for you, Joe, but I mean I don't think he should retire and do the midnight swim. I think he should jump in.

PERINO: So this story broke on.

GUILFOYLE: Make it sense.

PERINO: I think well, and the story has been building, but it kind of really build up some scene when Maureen Dowd, the comments of the New York Times with a piece Eric, on Sunday for that paper. A great column, well written and she had a couple of sources in there that means about -- wait, who was the source of this because it looks like it was quite a coordinated release of information.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: You think it was Hillary releasing? Is that what you alluding to or in -- right?

PERINO: I have - you know Chuck Todd thinks about of it. You see I don't think Hillary's team is organized enough to have pulled that off.

BOLLING: So one thing we can agree on is that the democrats are kind of influx right now? They are all over the map. Hillary has to relaunch, her relaunch of her relaunch of her relaunch with some attack as I guess, we gonna talk about a little bit. Joe Biden might run. President Obama apparently, would be OK with the Joe Biden run. And then today, we heard the CEO of Starbucks, Howard Schultz is being asked to run as well. So they're kind all over the board right now.

GUILFOYLE: Who's floated that, a barista?

BOLLING: I'm not sure who floated.


GUILFOYLE: Oh come on.

BOLLING: But I will tell you what would be the most fun six months of your life would be Joe Biden versus Donald Trump, and see how those two go at it. I would -- that would an active poll.

PERINO: I actually might buy tickets for that.

BOLLING: Exactly.

PERINO: Juan, one of the reasons that some voters on the democratic side I think, like this idea is that Hillary Clinton is not lighting the world on fire. She's been running for office for many years. It's almost like she's the incumbent. And whether it's true or not, she does come across as cold and authentic, whereas Joe Biden does come off as warm and very genuine. Do you think that this idea of him running is being pushed more from the grass roots or from somebody in the Biden camp?

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: I mean pushed by republicans. I think republicans have a fantasy here. Oh, we could somehow take down and tighten that is Hillary Clinton.

PERINO: But the republicans don't pitch things to Maureen Dowd.

WILLIAMS: Oh no, never, never. They know republican.

PERINO: To Maureen Dowd?

WILLIAMS: Oh, never, never.

GUILFOYLE: I guess Valerie Jarrett.

WILLIAMS: Let me just tell you something. I think.

PERINO: For flame (ph).


WILLIAMS: That the numbers still indicate that Hillary is, I think more than 50 percent of democrats would choose her as their nominee for the Democratic Party. There is no republican, I think Donald Trump is what like 20 something, you know, so I mean, that gives you an idea. But the thing about the Joe Biden moment is that Joe Biden is so loved by democrats, and especially now, after the death of his son and the key to the Dowd column was that the son had asked the father to get back into it, to do it. But you know, I'm with David Axelrod, who was President Obama's top political guy and Axelrod says he's skeptical.

PERINO: Can I show that?


PERINO: You know that's nice setup for me. Here you go, David Axelrod.


DAVID AXELROD, FORMER SENIOR ADVISOR TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: There is the other side of the equation, which is what it takes to put a presidential campaign together against a very formidable opponent. And I think that is a real big reality check here. So I'm a little skeptical about the bombshell of the weekend.

SAVANNAH GUTHRIE, TODAY SHOW CO-ANCHOR: So would you advise him to run?

AXELROD: I would not because I know what it takes to put a presidential campaign together and it is late in the game. I hate to see him risk it all on a campaign that likely wouldn't succeed.


PERINO: You know that might make his team want to do it more, Jesse.

JESSE WATTERS, GUEST CO-HOST: Right. I mean, I don't really trust the word at Axelrod's mouth right now. He just wants some good chaos.

GUILFOYLE: How about ever?

WATTERS: Right. I mean, come on.

PERINO: Not from this one.



WILLIAMS: You guys are really.

WATTERS: Be honest. The truth is Joe Biden is a punch line, OK? And the fact that Hillary Clinton is terrified of Joe Biden shows how weak her candidacy is. When Biden heard the democrats were trying to draft him, he was like, oh, I'm going to Vietnam? I mean, this guy is a joke, OK?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, come on.

WATTERS: He's not taken seriously.

WILLIAMS: Are you -- Jesse, are you.

WATTERS: What was this portfolio at the White House?


WATTERS: No. Let's look at this portfolio.

WILLIAMS: I'll tell you.

WATTERS: He was against the bin Laden raid. He was in charge of the stimulus.

WILLIAMS: No, Jesse. Jesse.

WATTERS: And he dropped the F-bomb on national television.


WATTERS: Actually, I think he's sexist for trying to run because.


WATTERS: I mean this is Hillary's coronation. Why would you let the woman had her shot, right Juan?

GUILFOYLE: Why? It seems to me that you might think that he would be tougher to beat than Hillary, and you want Hillary as a nominee. So republican can win.

WATTERS: I would --

GUILFOYLE: I hope that's why you're doing this.

WATTERS: I love Hillary as the nominee.

GUILFOYLE: That's why. See.

WATTERS: And you know what, Hillary and Biden have a lot in common. I mean, it let a lot to see and Hillary takes the private jet. He takes Amtrak, right? I mean she gets a $600 haircut. He's got hair plugs. I mean that there are some similarities there. I would just like to see them debate each other. And you know that would have to have a debate like at 5:00 p.m. because primetime is way past both of their bedtimes.

PERINO: Can I give a different act -- in different perspective.



PERINO: I would say, Eric. Arguably, Vice President Biden is in a better position to take over from Hillary, in terms of experience and capabilities and the fact that he actually is well liked on the Hill. He can actually get some things done.

BOLLING: I think.

WILLIAMS: Did you mean take over from Obama?


GUILFOYLE: You meant take over from Obama.

PERINO: From Obama. Sorry, you think.

BOLLING: Yeah, yeah.


BOLLING: Continue the third term.


BOLLING: The interesting thing is how bad of an idea Joe Biden running from president was six months ago and how great it seems right now.

WATTERS: Yeah. Check it out.

BOLLING: And especially -- everyone has a different opinion of Joe Biden right now because he wasn't seeking. He wasn't going after Hillary Clinton. He wasn't after -- he wasn't going to be the one who was gonna go after the first potential female president in America. But now that she's faltering and her numbers are sliding -- and Juan, by the way, 50 percent approval when you only have yourself in the race and a socialist ain't that big of a deal when you talk about the other side, 22 percent with 16 people running, it's quite a big difference, right? Do the math. It's.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, I mean you saying something. Anyway that you get plus 50, you're doing good, that's more than a half.

BOLLING: And you're the only one running? Oh, yeah.

WILLIAMS: She's not the only one running. But I'm telling you, you look and be -- don't forget her. There's a money contest going on and she is doing.

BOLLING: No doubt. And that is the important part, by the way.

WILLIAMS: So, I mean she's doing very well.

BOLLING: We're going to get to some of the new Hillary attack ads that she's gonna come out, yes, no? Anyway, she decided to spend $2 million because her campaign is faltering.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no.

BOLLING: Because she.

WILLIAMS: They have.

BOLLING: Juan, her approval.


BOLLING: She's under water in trustworthiness. She's under water in approval.

PERINO: We have.

BOLLING: She's underwater across the board.

WILLIAMS: You know.

BOLLING: And she's got to make to turn this thing around a little bit. She doesn't have an opponent yet and she's gonna take some.

PERINO: Well, she had -- she's raised so much money, and she's got a pretty high burn (ph), right, but she wants to spend a little bit.

WILLIAMS: You got it.

PERINO: We don't have actual sound from that, but these are some the bureau (ph). Kimberly, I want to ask you about this because what Ed Henry was saying is that.


PERINO: It's hard to overstate. This is a move to start locking down on support. Campaigns will not admit they're nervous. But since Joe Biden is already come out, they feel like its entering a new phase. My surprise is that she actually having to still introduce herself. As Eric said, she launched her campaign and she relaunched it, then she relaunched. And now we still have to learn who she is.

GUILFOYLE: Well, I mean, we know who she is, but in terms of just more an in-depth identification of what she stands for, where -- because she still came.

PERINO: Where she came from?

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely. What her background is, her upbringing. I think people want to go back to back because there's been so much now about Clinton cash, Clinton contributions, you know the impropriety. You know of the foundation, Benghazi -- just one disaster after the next. The e-mail server, lack of transparency, these are all the news story that out there and now they want to go back and define the narrative themselves. So it also does show you that they are worried. They are concerned because they're throwing cash at us already.

WILLIAMS: Let me just say.

PERINO: And I think one of things.

WILLIAMS: Let me just finish that. Let me just come back to what Kimberly was talking about. These ads were planned awhile back. They are not like oh, last week, we just saw some new numbers and she's got a problem. The second thing.

GUILFOYLE: But they're releasing them now.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, but they had plans to release them, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: It depends. I don't know. Are you on that side?

WILLIAMS: The second thing to say is that you know what, these ads talk about her mother, right? Her mother was abandoned at 8-years-old, or it talks about the strong family. So where you guys are right is that her image is as kind of the entitled ice queen, right?

PERINO: Right.

WILLIAMS: People don't feel (inaudible). So the image that they are working to hone here is that she is a soft, loving person. That she's loyal to President Obama, she's a grandmother, and that she -- her mother had to struggle in America to make an image. Though the money, the tax numbers that came out last week, and in the case you paid 40 million on taxes made hundreds of million dollars. But that's not her, that she understands the problems of the middle class. That's what they're trying to do with us.

BOLLING: The problem is every time she opens her mouth in a speech or answers the very few questions she does ever answer that. Every time she opens her mouth, you realize she's not the person in those ads.


BOLLING: Maybe she is the person you're talking.

WILLIAMS: No. That's not true.

BOLLING: The ice queen who's got the coronation for the Democratic Party.

WILLIAMS: That is not true.

WATTERS: Yesterday, average on.


WATTERS: Bolling is right because every time she campaigns, her numbers gonna down, and that's why it is such a threat, Biden is such a threat, because he will force her to get out on the campaign trail.

WILLIAMS: Oh, yeah.

WATTERS: And force her to go.

WILLIAMS: Biden was.

PERINO: Can I tell you something else?

WATTERS: And the media and the numbers are going to go down.

PERINO: I want -- we're going to talk a little bit more about this subjects, a little bit later on the show, but I'm gonna get a last comment from Bolling before we go. They are -- that Clinton campaign is now actually admitting that they could lose primaries or caucuses, some of them -- to a socialist. Not to Joe Biden, they're actually worried about Bernie Sanders. They think they could lose a couple.


GUILFOYLE: Annoying.

BOLLING: That I don't buy. I'll buy it -- they're worried about Joe Biden a little bit. I won't buy that they're worried about Bernie Sanders. I --

WILLIAMS: Why this happen?

GUILFOYLE: Well, they're worried about being humiliating. That's the problem.

WILLIAMS: You should worry about the republican side.

BOLLING: Every single.

WILLIAMS: You should worry about Trump because populism is the rage in America.

BOLLING: No, no. But Sanders is a socialist, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Whether it's Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump.

BOLLING: They are.

WILLIAMS: Oh, and what is Donald Trump?

BOLLING: A socialist president.

WILLIAMS: What is Donald Trump?

BOLLING: He is a capitalist.

WILLIAMS: So, so what?

BOLLING: He's the ultimate capitalist.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. He is beyond. I think you know he is caricature.


WILLIAMS: The way we go. Make fun of Bernie.

PERINO: I love striking a nerve, right before I'm supposed to tease.

Anyway, the first debate of 2016 is just days away. We've got an update on the poll positions of the republican candidates. That's up next.


GUILFOYLE: Three days, that's when the first 2016 presidential debate takes place in Cleveland. Fox News will make the decision tomorrow night as to which candidates make it in the primetime. New polls show Trump still dominating. She has a support of 20 percent of GOP voters according to Quinnipiac. And then the survey by the Wall Street Journal and NBC, 19 percent, and that same survey, Hispanics were questioned on Trump, 75 percent of them they had a negative view of him. But the candidate is confident. He's going to win the Hispanic vote and also win the African- American vote -- in part because the president son a poor job with those communities.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He has done nothing for African- Americans. You look at what's going on with their income levels. You look at what's gone on where their youth. I thought that he would be a great cheerleader for this country. I thought he could do a fabulous job for the African-American citizens of this country. He has done nothing. And I think that I will win the African-American vote, and I think I will win the Hispanic vote. And if you see the reason polls that came out John, you will see that because I'm leading in the Hispanic vote.


PERINO: OK, Juan? Your eyes are wide open.

WILLIAMS: I don't know what to say. I mean, it's like, are you looking at the same numbers? Let's not even have a political discussion. But as you pointed out Kimberly, Hispanics -- what did you say, 70?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, it was one poll, but yeah.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, but I mean it's not one poll. There are several polls like that.


WILLIAMS: I mean there's no way he's going to win the Hispanic vote. He's costing the Republican Party with Hispanic voters, who are so keen to their chances to win the White House. And when it comes to black voters, this thing he said this weekend about, we'll never have another black president because of Obama -- I mean, how insulting? So now, one black president or one black guy is like every other black guy. I mean, come on, this -- that's crazy. No one he had to fire someone for racist tweets and postings.

BOLLING: From 2007.

WILLIAMS: I don't care when it was.

BOLLING: No, no, nit the braces hosting that the guy made was in 2007.


BOLLING: I just want to clear about that.

WILLIAMS: Well, that's the.


WILLIAMS: I don't care what.

BOLLING: Well and it matters, Juan. I mean.


GUILFOYLE: Like he was saying. In terms that (inaudible).

BOLLING: Look, the latest polls, Manaton and the Wall Street Journal poll was you go to real clear politics. The numbers are, Trump at 22 percent. The next closest Walker 12.7 percent, Bush at 12.2 percent, I believe in those numbers. What really matter is, though, is he looks at the bottom. There are two spots toward the bottom. Every -- the first day are pretty much -- looks like they're settled, the last two spots, Kasich at 3.7, Chris Christie at 3.2 and Rick Perry at 2.7. There's an all out war going on there for the last two spots, one of them, either Kasich, Christie or Perry are gonna be left off that stage and a lot of people may be disappointed with that. The real reason why Donald Trump is at 20 percent and leading the field by 9 1/2 percent in the average is because of a little bit further down in real clear politics, you go congressional approval ratings, 16 percent approval rating and 74 percent negative view of what's going on in Congress. Donald Trump is the anti -- well, this is what's been going on in D.C. and people are flocking to it.

WILLIAMS: Well, I think that's probably right. Let me just quickly say that, so there's gonna be a new Fox poll that comes out on break -- (inaudible) right after our.


WILLIAMS: Right, and we.

GUILFOYLE: You love him more than I


WILLIAMS: No, no. Kimberly, how could anybody love anybody more than you?

WATTERS: Nice comeback.


WILLIAMS: Check it out, but I mean I have.

GUILFOYLE: Flowers and chocolates, please.

WILLIAMS: All right. No, but I was gonna say to you. I think that the most interesting thing that I'm noticing in these polls, and by the way, I think the guy that gets left out here is Rick Perry.


WILLIAMS: I think that's becoming clear. I think Kasich gets in, but Perry gets left out.


WILLIAMS: And of course Perry was going to attack Trump. So I think that's helpful for Trump because I mean, you know, Perry is not going to insult him in that way. But I think the other thing to say here is that I noticing in these polls that Jeb Bush is not getting hurt by Trump. I wonder what you guys think about this. The establishment republican candidate is not the one who is losing support. It's the Cruz's, it's, to some extent the Carson's.

BOLLING: He's got 12 percent.

WILLIAMS: What do you mean?

BOLLING: Jeb bush is at 12.2 percent.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, but he's not losing support. You watch. If not, I mean that's what the polls indicate.

GUILFOYLE: He is saying that Trump has pulled from the other candidates.


GUILFOYLE: And Jeb has maintained his base of support, but.

BOLLING: Do you think Jeb Bush was higher than 12.2 percent of six weeks ago?

WILLIAMS: Not much.

GUILFOYLE: I think depending on the poll.

BOLLING: I think he was. Anyway.

GUILFOYLE: But there's statistically speaking of plus or minus 3 percent.

WILLIAMS: And I think -- and you know all the stories that are coming out that say in fact, hey, guess what? Jeb loves this because all of the kind of anti-establishment power that you've been talking about, Eric, is now just putting every -- it drains the other candidates who might have been gaining a foothold and Trump will eventually go away, and there will be Jeb.

WATTERS: I don't know. I mean, I think Jeb is kind of coming off as a little patrician in all of this. And he sat back a little bit. I think he landed any punches against Trump. There are ways to attack Trump.

GUILFOYLE: Does he need to?

WATTERS: No, I don't think he needs to right now.

GUILFOYLE: I don't think he needs to.

WATTERS: But I think on Thursday, he's gonna have to throw some punches.



WILLIAMS: No. Why would you say that?

WATTERS: You don't think Trump is gonna go after Jeb in the debates?

WILLIAMS: It's fine. You know what?

WATTERS: So what did you do? You just said (inaudible)?

WILLIAMS: You know how I handle.

WATTERS: How would you?

WILLIAMS: You know what I do with that?


WILLIAMS: I sit here and I say.

GUILFOYLE: You boss him (ph)?

WILLIAMS: You, audience, make the decision. Do you want the rational person, or do you want Eric? That's why.


WATTERS: I don't know if it is a good idea.

BOLLING: What happen?


WATTERS: But I don't know if it looks good if the Jeb establishment frontrunner goes in denigrates, the republican base excited about Donald Trump.

GUILFOYLE: He just need too.

BOLLING: Are you sure you want to compare Jeb Bush for the Liberal? But because.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no, no.


WILLIAMS: Republicans don't think that.


WILLIAMS: But I was saying.

GUILFOYLE: Call somebody.

WILLIAMS: But I was saying, don't think that you want. If you're either Scott Walker or Jeb Bush, you don't want to get into a fight with Donald Trump.

WATTERS: Well, I wouldn't challenge it to a poll of.

GUILFOYLE: All right, Dana is next. Boys.



GUILFOYLE: No, no, no. Sit in your places of milk and cookies. The girls run it now. Go.

PERINO: Well, we got about 20 seconds left. I would just say I'm ready to get this show on the road. I'm excited about the debates. The top phase are gonna be the top phase. These numbers are actually -- the poll numbers move pretty quickly, except for those people that are at the very top. I think Trump will stay there, Bush, Walker, but others have a chance. And I also would really encourage people to watch the debate forum at 5:00 p.m. on Thursday because there are some really great candidates. And on the republican side, you have choices. You have lots of different people. And that 5 o'clock Juan, actually, could end up being a little bit more telling about what could happen in the future after this primetime debate because some of those people are going to shine and others are going to drop out.

GUILFOYLE: I totally agree. Somebody like in that 5 o'clock, for sure at least one will end up in the top ten, you know, in a matter of time. That's why it's so important. People, they are putting it on instead of our show. That's how important and good it is. Let's be honest.

PERINO: there you go.

GUILFOYLE: Taking our slot. And one more thing, I want to ask you about the strategy for the debate that was mentioned here. Does Jeb Bush have to do anything to attack the other candidates? What do you think if you're advising him his strategy should be?

PERINO: Well, I'm not for personal insults and attacks. I mean.


PERINO: I don't like that as a viewer, and I think that when you look at some of those numbers at republican women, whether they are looking for. They don't typically like that from anybody, and it can come from anyone. But I also just think the most important thing is authenticity, right? One of the things -- one of the reasons Donald Trump is done very well because, if you dig in and ask people why do you like it? It's like because he's just himself. He's not poll tested, he's just himself and people like that. So I would say if you want to try to win the hearts and minds of republican voters in this debate, just try to be yourself and let the chips fall where they may.

WATTERS: And Trump is going to win the black vote. Yes, he is.


WATTERS: Let see, he's got Juan's vote.

PERINO: Obama has a 96 percent.

WILLIAMS: Absolutely.

PERINO: Approval rating with African-Americans.


PERINO: I think that's not going to happen.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Let's get real back to (inaudible).

WILLIAMS: Thank you.

WATTERS: Put Michelle Obama on the ticket. There you go.

GUILFOYLE: Bye Jesse. Ahead, a hunter defends their big game kills after photos spark outrage. And an UFC champ defends her title, knocking out her opponent in seconds. Details are all coming up next, in the Fastest 7.


BOLLING: Welcome back, time for the fastest seven minutes on television. Three arousing stories, seven accelerated minutes, one amiable host. First up, Cecil the Lion is dead, killed by a Minnesota dentist. In fact, Cecil has lured out of a protective reserve, killed and his head was taken for a trophy, disturbing and illegal. The debate is heating up surrounding a legal kill by an Idaho hunter who too down a giraffe recently, and posted this picture to her Facebook page. Outrage, ensued and Sabrina Corgatelli went on The Today Show to explain the difference.


SABRINA CORGATELLI, IDAHO HUNTER: Everybody just thinks we're cold-hearted killers and it's not that. There is a connection with the animals and it -- just because we hunt them, doesn't mean we don't have a respect for them. Everything I've done is legal. So how can you fault somebody because of their hobbies?


BOLLING: Look, I'm pro-gun. I'm pro-legal hunt, but I'm sorry, do we really -- Americans really need to travel to Africa to kill these animals -- Jesse, this side or the other side?

WATTERS: Well, I mean, first of all, I don't think it's a good idea to criticize any woman holding a firearm. I think that's just bad policy.

BOLLING: Noted, noted.

WATTERS: You know when the left is attacking this woman, they should be celebrating her. I mean she burst into this male dominated hunting culture. She is out in the wild in Africa and Ms. Independent bagging big game. I mean, you got to celebrate Sandra Fluke for begging for birth control with by tax dollars with this woman is out of line. I just don't get it.

BOLLING: So she played.

GUILFOYLE: In bluff.

BOLLING: The defender game (inaudible) on that one.

PERINO: I just love how your brain works.


WATTERS: At least you think my brain works.


PERINO: I'm not for killing the giraffe or any of -- I don't think - I agree with you. I understand why they - that they do a lot for conservation efforts and a lot of that money is supposedly is going to try to help them, but I think one of the things that we could all, maybe agree on in 2015 is, this is inappropriate.


GUILFOYLE: So terrible.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, you know I just I feel bad about it. I -- you know, I don't understand why people feel the need to like destroy what I think is God's creation. I just don't see it. I mean I don't see that there's even any sport in it. And you know you and I love sports. Spectators were so in participating, but they, you know, these people have high-powered weapons, even a bow and arrow, and they lure the animals. They trap this. There's no like risk to the hunter. It's just.


BOLLING: What the dentist did -- what the dentist did was illegal. He lured an animal out of a protected area and killed it.

K.G., a lot of people are saying, but it's a legal hunt, though.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Doesn't mean that it's OK morally or ethically. And there's a reason that they took two giraffes on the ark.

BOLLING: Stay right there. Stay right there.

In the pre-fight weigh-in between undefeated UFC champion Ronda Rousey, her opponent, Bethe Correia, warned the champ, "You'd better not cry." Well, that's all it took. There's fire in the belly of the champ, who some say is the best fighter, man or woman. It took only 34 seconds to knockout Correia. Here's Rousey just minutes after her win.


RONDA ROUSEY, UFC CHAMPION: She was screaming in my face at weigh-ins. She was saying, "Don't cry." So I turned around to her after I knocked her out and I said, "Don't cry."



GUILFOYLE: Love it. I really wanted to do this for a living.

BOLLING: Ultimate fighting?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. I really -- I'm not kidding. My dad was horrified.

Wait a minute. Did you say you want to do this for a living?

BOLLING: That temper might actually work in this case.



WILLIAMS: Wait a minute. You say you want to do this for a living?

GUILFOYLE: Well, I mean, look. I would love to do it. I think it's so exciting. I love boxing. I love fighting. I love martial arts.

WILLIAMS: Do you understand that you can get hit?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Well, I don't count on getting hit. That wasn't what happened when I was boxing.

BOLLING: Let me bring it around. Dana, Ms. Correia at one point during this lead-up to this fight said something to the effect of, to the champ and said, "You should just go kill yourself." The champ's father killed himself when she was 8.

PERINO: So I've never had the pleasure of meeting Ronda Rousey, but I was -- her autobiography came out around the same time that my book came out last April. And I happened to be, like in her wake. She would go -- I would be in Texas sort of a week after she was.

And apparently, the crowds were crazy for her. There's a lot of love for her. I was able to look through her book. It's very interesting. And today it was announced that her autobiography is being picked up by Hollywood, and there will be a movie about her life.

BOLLING: Jesse, I was around watching Mike Tyson knock people out in 10 and 15 seconds back in the day. She's done the same thing. She's done the same thing.

GUILFOYLE: She's amazing.

BOLLING: Four of her 12 wins were, like, in the first minute.

WATTERS: She's brutal. I wouldn't like to get in the ring with her.

I don't like watching women fight in the ring, to be perfectly honest. I don't know if that's sexist. I'd rather watch them do something else.

PERINO: You just contradicted yourself.


WATTERS: ... tennis. I just don't like to watch them beat each other up.

PERINO: Gymnastics?

WATTERS: Gymnastics I like.

WILLIAMS: You know what just happened there?

WATTERS: Volleyball.

BOLLING: I think this is the emergency management.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. He would pop the collar right off anybody. Let me tell you.

WILLIAMS: Dana just pollster-ized you, brother.

WATTERS: She did.

BOLLING: Let's go to Juan first on this. Finally...

PERINO: Haven't hear of it.

BOLLING: ... in just a little over a month, Stephen Colbert will take over "The Late Show" after David letterman retired in May. CBS released a series of trailers that give us a glimpse as to what Colbert's character will be. Will it be the fake conservative? Will it be Colbert himself? Rumors are that Colbert will introduce a character that is a talk show host who plays dumb. We report, you decide.


STEPHEN COLBERT, TAKING OVER "THE LATE SHOW": Hi, America. It's Stephen Colbert. I can't wait to start hosting "The Late Show" starting September 8 on CBS. I'll talk about the news, tell jokes, and have fascinating conversations with celebrities, athletes, musicians, and of course, politicians. Wow. You do a great Mitt Romney?


COLBERT: That's it. Stay in character.

"The Late Show with Stephen Colbert," starting September 8.

ROMNEY: Where are my pancakes? I was told there'd be pancakes.


BOLLING: What do you say, Juan?

WILLIAMS: I like that a lot. Didn't he do this when he went out and he was with -- I'm trying to think of the rapper's name out in Michigan. Eminem. He was with Eminem. Colbert went out with Eminem. And he did a little bit. And again, he pretended like he didn't know who Eminem was and he should prepare for retirement and all that. I love it. I think that's funny.

BOLLING: So Dana, your thoughts? His -- "The Colbert Report," he was a fake conservative. Outrage.

PERINO: I don't know if you can actually pull that off on network television night after night with everybody watching. I think it's a broader audience. I'm excited for the show. I think it's going to give us a lot of material in a good way, right? He's going to be able to attract really great guests.

WILLIAMS: It's going to be in "The Fastest Seven" for sure.

BOLLING: What do you guys think of the fake dumb act going on as a TV host?

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. I don't know if it's, like, sustainable to do it every night. I mean, mix it up. Why not? He's good at it. He could play multiple characters. And I thought Mitt Romney was adorable. I love pancakes, too.

BOLLING: Some people say I do that every single night -- Jesse.

WATTERS: I wasn't going to say that. I didn't think it was funny, and I...

BOLLING: It's all an act, really.

WATTERS: Stop, stop. I'm not going to pull a Geraldo on you.

GUILFOYLE: So he's going to mimic you?

BOLLING: What's going on?

WATTERS: He stole your act.

BOLLING: All right. Last thought, anybody? We're going to wrap it up.

Next, will Congress defund Planned Parenthood? They're about to vote in the Senate in minutes. That's breaking. Coming up.


WATTERS: This is a FOX News alert. You're looking live at the Senate floor where a vote has just begun on whether to defund Planned Parenthood after four undercover videos surfaced exposing its disturbing practice of selling the body parts of aborted babies.

Earlier, the group's leader pushed back on the vote.


CECILE RICHARDS, PRESIDENT, PLANNED PARENTHOOD: The vote tonight will actually be about denying women access to birth control, cancer screenings, test and treatment. For many woman, Planned Parenthood is their only doctor. I think we will be successful. And I think it's important that Congress recognize and our own research shows the American people trust Planned Parenthood.


WATTERS: The White House is still standing by Planned Parenthood, and so is Hillary Clinton.


HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Republicans like Scott Walker and Jeb Bush are calling to defund Planned Parenthood, the country's leading provider of reproductive health care, and they are joined by Republicans in Congress who will not waste a minute in voting to make that happen. If this feels like a full-on assault on women's health, that's because it is. I'm proud to stand with Planned Parenthood.


WATTERS: So let me get this straight. Last week, Hillary Clinton said that the videos of Planned Parenthood were disturbing. And now she turns around and cuts an ad that says we need to support the organization whose behavior in the videos is disturbing. I don't -- how does that make sense?

BOLLING: Can I get something in here real quick? Dana called it last week. When Hillary Clinton came out and said -- she came out and she surprised a lot of Democrats by having that stance last week on Planned Parenthood.


BOLLING: And they're going to have to do a lot of cleaning up. She's...

PERINO: She's cleaning up for them.

But see, for Hillary, she always gets to have it both ways. Like, the Keystone debate, Iran, pulling troops out of Iraq now, like whatever, she gets to be everywhere.

And on this one, I appreciate somebody like Senator Manchin today of West Virginia, a Democrat, who came out on the Cavuto show at 4 p.m. and said he had made a decision: he was going to vote to defund.

I actually think that defunding is just a first step. I actually think that -- I agree with Hillary Clinton of last week, where she said that this practice of selling aborted baby parts has to be looked at across the board, not just at Planned Parenthood.


WATTERS: And they're going to need a lot of Democrat votes in order to reach the 60 that they're going to have to overcome the filibuster. Because you know the Democrats are going to filibuster.

I mean, does this make sense? They pass it, maybe over these objections, the Democrats, and then Obama vetoes it. You've got to have a Republican president and a Republican House and Senate to ever defund Planned Parenthood, correct?

BOLLING: I'll just jump in on that. There's 54 Republican senators; Manchin makes 55 votes. He ain't getting that.

WATTERS: That's it.

BOLLING: That's probably where you're going to get, so this is more of a statement than an actual defunding.

PERINO: And an important statement. It matters.

WILLIAMS: Absolutely.

PERINO: Right?

WILLIAMS: OK. So it's an important statement for people who oppose abortion rights in this country.



WILLIAMS: It is important for Republicans who have sought to politicize. And that's -- all...

GUILFOYLE: Wrong again. One more.

WILLIAMS: All the Republicans running for president, they went back to Washington, because they want to cast this vote.

BOLLING: Juan, they're not voting on Roe v. Wade. They're voting on defunding a company, an organization, that sells body parts.

WILLIAMS: Oh, stop.

BOLLING: Which is far different from...

PERINO: It's true.

WILLIAMS: What you're talking about is fetal tissue. And if you want to have a discussion about abortion, OK. I'm sensitive to this, because I think people who oppose abortion have every right to do so. But if you're talking about fetal tissue and research, research that leads to vaccines...


WATTERS: Were you disturbed by the videos?

WILLIAMS: Sure. I'm disturbed when people talk about cutting me open or cracking my chest to do heart surgery. I don't like even frogs being cut up. No.

WATTERS: It's not a frog. It's a human life.


WILLIAMS: A woman having an abortion is a difficult subject for us all, Jesse. There's no question. But this is about an attack on -- apolitical attack on Planned Parenthood.

PERINO: No, it's not.

WILLIAMS: And as that (UNINTELLIGIBLE) just said, it's an attack on healthcare for women in this country.

WATTERS: It's actually not an attack on healthcare at all. Because you know, you can do whatever you need to do without Planned Parenthood. Now Kimberly...

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I mean...

WATTERS: ... it's obviously hyper-partisan. Juan's not recognizing the reality of what was going on in the videos.

GUILFOYLE: He's the one that's making it partisan. No, because you're the one referring to it in terms that you can deal with.


GUILFOYLE: Fetal tissue. They didn't make these in a lab in a little Petri dish. These are babies. These are lives. These are bodies that have been cut up, because it was convenient, and then profited on by people selling it.

WILLIAMS: Let me ask you: Are we talking about abortion or are we talking about the research?

GUILFOYLE: You want to talk about the research.

WILLIAMS: Guess what? So women have an abortion. The question is what happens to the tissue.

GUILFOYLE: You want to talk about the research. And the research can be done in a way without baby parts.


WILLIAMS: Abortion is legal.

WATTERS: In 1993, they signed a law to make it illegal to harvest body parts to sell.

WILLIAMS: Nobody's doing that. Nobody's doing that.

BOLLING: That's what the video shows.

WILLIAMS: That's not what they're doing. It does not show that.

WILLIAMS: It does not show normal abortions and that's the end of the story. The video shows Planned Parenthood operatives making deals for body -- for baby body parts.

WILLIAMS: This is a horrific fantasy that you have. If they had shown anything illegal...

GUILFOYLE: Juan, seriously, something is really wrong. You've got to go get a checkup or something.

WILLIAMS: It's obviously illegal. That's why Planned Parenthood tried to get these videos thrown out by a judge.


WILLIAMS: Take them to court.

PERINO: Juan, actually, that's what Hillary Clinton suggested. She said that all of these should be -- all these practices should be looked at.

WILLIAMS: Sure. If it's illegal, go. It's not illegal.

PERINO: That's what -- she said there should be an investigation.

WATTERS: You're the last of Hillary. We actually have to go to commercial.

PERINO: Can I make one reading recommendation?

WATTERS: Quickly.

PERINO: OK. George Will's column today, if you Google it, he explains it very well and explains why taxpayers should not have to fund Planned Parenthood. It's a great piece.

GUILFOYLE: Why don't you just tweet every day, reading?

WILLIAMS: That's good.

GUILFOYLE: You should.

WATTERS: Still to come, Debbie Wasserman Schultz takes a second shot at explaining the difference between a Democrat and a socialist after stumbling on the question last week. Did the DNC chair come up with an answer this time? You'll find out next.

GUILFOYLE: She is...


WILLIAMS: Last week, Debbie Wasserman Schultz had a heck of a time trying to explain the difference between a Democrat and a socialist.


CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST, MSNBC: What is the difference between a Democrat and a socialist? I used to think there was a big difference. What do you think it is?

DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ, DNC CHAIR: The difference between...

MATTHEWS: A Democrat like Hillary Clinton and a socialist like Bernie Sanders.

SCHULTZ: What's the difference between being a Democrat and being a Republican?

MATTHEWS: Well, what...


WILLIAMS: So Debbie had a few days to regroup. Right? But when she went on "Meet the Press" yesterday, did she have an answer this time?


CHUCK TODD, HOST, NBC'S "MEET THE PRESS": Can you explain the difference?

WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: You know, Chuck, it's always fun to be interviewed by Chris Matthews. And I know that he enjoys that banter.

The important distinction that I think we're going to be discussing -- I'm confident we'll be discussing in this campaign is the difference between Democrats and Republicans.


WILLIAMS: Good enough for you, Dana Perino?

PERINO: Nope. And neither was her answer, right? OK. And for Democrats. She leads the Democratic committee. She -- they should expect her to be able to have an answer.

If you get asked by Chris Matthews a question that gets a lot of attention, you can expect that four days later you're going to get that same question from somebody. However, you want to know why Democrats don't think they'll get that question? They think it's always going to be easy on them. They always think that it's going to be easy on them. So they get one tough -- this should not be a tough question. What is the difference between a Democrat and a socialist? I think they should be forced to answer.

WILLIAMS: Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Go ahead. Yes.

BOLLING: What is the difference?

WILLIAMS: I've told you.


PERINO: He told us last week.

WILLIAMS: Democrats are -- Democrats are capitalists. Democrats have always been capitalists. Socialists believe in state-owned enterprises controlled by employees.

But let me just take it to another level with you, having answered your question so great...

BOLLING: Poorly. Poorly.

WILLIAMS: Wait a second. Let me just say, so here's Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders is a socialist, running as an independent, now running as a Democrat. When Bernie Sanders, when he was asked this, talked about socialists looking at countries that have successful records in fighting for and implementing programs for middle-class people -- Denmark, Finland, Norway -- the rights of people, the free education, free health care. What do you think, Eric?

BOLLING: He's clearly a socialist. But the problem is, the reason why Debbie Wasserman Schultz can't answer it and you answered it the way you did is because there is no difference. No, the progressive Democrat is closer and closer to pure socialism than ever before.


BOLLING: And getting worse. Under President Obama, income equality is rise (ph) and more taxation.

WILLIAMS: Would you think Obama is a big liberal and a big Democrat?

BOLLING: I would say that under President Obama income equality -- so the gap between the wealthy and the poor has expanded.

WILLIAMS: Yes, yes.

BOLLING: Even though he's taken more money from the taxpayers.


BOLLING: He has given more money to people who aren't working and who want Food Stamps and whatnot (ph).

WILLIAMS: OK. Let me just ask you a question, then. So if Obama is such a big liberal, how come he's not approving for state-run enterprises? How come he's giving tax breaks to people? How come he's leaving Wall Street...

BOLLING: That's a redistribution. That's a redistribution of wealth.

PERINO: I think Juan's winning.

WATTERS: You know what the difference between a Democrat and a socialist is? Democrats are just better at hiding their core beliefs. OK?

And, you know, if we wanted to be socialists, Juan, why did we fight the American Revolutionary War?

WILLIAMS: I don't think...


WATTERS: And if I were Debbie Wasserman Schultz, you know what I would have said the difference is? I would have said, "Well, the difference is Greece. That's the difference. They're socialist and look what happened to them."

WILLIAMS: So Kimberly, what if somebody said what's the difference between a Republican and a plutocrat?

GUILFOYLE: Awesomeness.

PERINO: Good answer.

WILLIAMS: All right. "One More Thing" up next.


PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing." Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: All right. You want to hear what we were talking about before.

So this is great. This is kids at the Floating Hospital for Children at Tuft's Medical Center in Boston. So they knew the "Ghostbusters" reboot was filming nearby. But guess what -- look at the surprise they got when the ladies came by to come over and check it out. Can you imagine being a kid who's sick and getting a surprise like this from the movie? It's very, very cool.

PERINO: That's great.

BOLLING: That is nice.

GUILFOYLE: And it's going to be great. Like you're a fan of all these actors.

And "FOX and Friends" tomorrow. Yes. Mornings are better with friends.

PERINO: And Kimberly...

GUILFOYLE: Yes, wake up with me tomorrow. Do you...

PERINO: Oh, boy. No one is going to sleep tonight.

All right. Eric.

BOLLING: OK, so 2001, we were introduced to Derek Zoolander. And now, February 2016, "Zoolander 2." Here's a bite.


ROBOTIC VOICE: One question that has puzzled mankind since the beginning of time.

BEN STILLER, COMEDIAN: If God exists, then why did he make ugly people?


PERINO: I like it.

BOLLING: So if you're a big fan of "Zoolander" -- I am, I think Kimberly is, as well...

GUILFOYLE: Blue steel. Blue steel, babe.

PERINO: Jasper can do a great blue steel.

GUILFOYLE: I married that one time.

BOLLING: Do the face?

WATTERS: Don't do that.

PERINO: Jesse, you're next.

WATTERS: As you guys all know, I am a very open-minded person.


WATTERS: Not sure who I'm going to vote for. It's either going to be Hillary, or Trump, or Bernie, or Jeb. I'm not sure. But now, after watching this video, my mind is made up.




WATTERS: There you have it. Machine gun bacon. I'm now going to be caucusing for Senator Cruz. He's got my vote.

PERINO: All right. Well, that's one.

GUILFOYLE: I did a segment on it.

PERINO: OK. Look...

WATTERS: That's one.

PERINO: Do you want to know something that drives me crazy? Anybody listening to me?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I'm listening.

PERINO: You are listening to me. OK. One of the things that drives me crazy in the city is -- and I'm probably guilty of it -- is that people are walking and texting at the same time with their phones. And what happens is because we are evolutionary creatures, we have started to adapt the way that we walk. And we're taking shorter steps and making sure that our feet are never lifting off the ground so that we don't get in any accidents.

GUILFOYLE: You do that anyway.

PERINO: What do you mean?

GUILFOYLE: You take, like, little shorter steps, and you walk.

PERINO: Well, my legs are really short, but I can walk fast. Anyway, it is having an effect on how we walk. Just wanted to point that out. Kimberly.

Juan, you get to go.

WILLIAMS: All right. So this weekend, big news. The tenth annual Unleashed Petco Surf Dog Competition, Imperial Beach in San Diego. Over 50 dogs competed. Top prize went to Ziggy, a 15-pound toy American Eskimo. The big dog winner was a Golden Retriever. This was fun.

And you know why I did this? I did this for Dana, because she loves dogs. And I love them.

PERINO: I've got to tell you something.

GUILFOYLE: Jasper has to do this.

PERINO: You won the "One More Thing" contest today. Congratulations.

Set your DVRs. Never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" is next.

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