Is this as close as Donald Trump gets to apologizing?

Fallout over Trump's criticism of Sen. McCain's war record


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," July 21, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Geraldo Rivera, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

After days of backlash over his comments about whether John McCain is a war hero, Donald Trump almost apologized last night on "The O'Reilly Factor."


DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I used to like him a lot. I supported him. I raised a lot of money for his campaign against President Obama. And certainly, if there was a misunderstanding, I would totally take that back, but hopefully, I said it correctly. And certainly, shortly thereafter, I said it correctly.


GUILFOYLE: Trump has surged to the top of a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, but support did fall sharply among GOP voters surveyed after the McCain comments, 62 percent of Americans say they wouldn't vote for him in the general election. One major newspaper wants him out of the race now. The Des Moines Register says Trump should pull the plug on his bloviating sideshow. As Donald response "I'm not all surprised by the Des Moines Register sophomoric editorial. As one of the most liberal newspapers in the United States, the poll results were just too much for them to bear. They would do anything for a headline, and it's poorly written "non-endorsement" got them some desperately needed ink." Well, that's a typical Donald Trump response.

GERALDO RIVERA, CO-HOST: He's fighting back and I think that he will survive this now. I've come to the conclusion that he's fought sufficiently.

GUILFOYLE: Did he call you?

RIVERA: With sufficient -- no, he did not told me and O'Reilly a lot more out of him than I. I beg him to apologize. O'Reilly, at least got that conditional apology. I think that a couple of things are going to happen now. He's going to continue to flog the issue of illegal immigration. He's gonna say it so often this gonna hope that we forget that he insulted the POWs. And moreover, he's going to get on the stage at the Fox debates in two weeks, and he's going to be like King Kong with a bunch of monkeys. He's gonna be dominating that stage. He's gonna be charismatic, larger than life, physically larger than any of the other.

GUILFOYLE: King Kong was like chimpanzees.

RIVERA: Whatever. But he will dominate that stage in many ways for good or ill, for the party to benefit or lead it to a disaster.

GUILFOYLE: All right, Eric.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I would agree with just about everything you said, Geraldo. And if you watch the O'Reilly interview, O'Reilly sis also ended with Bill saying, "Look Donald, I don't think you hate the POWs. I don't think you hate the veterans and that's not what this is about." He said, no, he didn't. So there was some clarification last night. Yet, today, there was more Trump bashing. Look, he's a fire -- he's a flame thrower. There's no question about it. But he's also tapping into the anti-government, anti-establishment, anti-business as usual in D.C. which people are listening to and are signing up for. He doesn't need their money. He doesn't need the GOP's money. He doesn't need the dems money. He doesn't need anyone's money, and I think that may be scaring both sides. And by the way, if you hate Trump and you're a GOP and you're a republican, you want to vote for someone then, put someone up there. Find someone who does the same thing for you that maybe don't offend the groups that you feel are being offended by a Donald Trump, but you don't have that. And will the stage in three weeks, 16 days, right, 16 days until the first Fox debate. Will the stage have some of the other names who will have kind of floated down in the polls as Donald Trump has risen? Will they step up and try and take some of that fire saying, you know -- remember, there were a lot. Rand Paul was anti-government, he was smaller government. (inaudible) haven't heard him say that lately because Donald Trump is on.

RIVERA: We haven't heard from him at all.

BOLLING: Well, we haven't heard from any of them at all. We heard is Donald Trump. But will the others would step up Chris Christie? Will they step up and say, take some of that fire from Trump. And maybe they will, maybe get some of the poll numbers from Donald.

GUILFOYLE: Maybe Christie can answer for himself tomorrow night.

All right, Dana. Let's talk about this in the communications perspective, 24 hours has passed, since we made our commentary about this and about the POWs and about the comments about John McCain. He made some of what an apology and he went on with Bill O'Reilly. Was it's sufficient and what do you think about the other candidates now with perspective?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I do think it's quite remarkable. If you want to be the president of the United States and you're actually having on day three, having to still explain yourself about whether prisoners of war are heroes or not. I actually looking at this from a totally different perspective now which is, I took a step back and looked back at the previous election cycle. And at this point in the election cycle, Michele Bachmann was gonna win. If you go back two election cycles, Rudy Giuliani was definitely going to be the nominee. So we're a year and a couple months out from the actual general election. So right now, like a poll can say what it says, and I don't doubt that it says what it does. I think name I.D. is obviously very important, as Eric points out there's not been really any coverage of anybody else in the last four weeks. So he -- Donald Trump has tapped into something with people are just sick of Washington, so like, yeah, I like that.


PERINO: But then, when you look at the other number, that 62 percent of republicans say they wouldn't vote for him. Like, you go pretty far in a campaign, but when those primaries are held or the caucuses are held, if you don't have the votes, you not gonna go further. Rick Santorum, actually, even two weeks before the Iowa caucus -- in the last election cycle, he was at around two percent approval rating. He ends up winning. So I don't think that the polls actually right now are that important.

GUILFOYLE: A sense of let's have some measure to it. But right now, can't deny it, Donald Trump is driving the bus.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well, his poll numbers dropped faster than Bill Clinton's pants.

GUILFOYLE: I knew it.

GUTFELD: That has some mention (ph) after the McCain thing. So its way too early and there's always a chance that something else is gonna happen. You know who really loves Donald Trump right now, Planned Parenthood.


GUTFELD: That story fell off the face of the planet -- thanks to him. Hillary loves him because she could run over a crate of puppies and no one's going to cover that. I'm actually getting tired of people recasting intelligent criticism as bashing. It's like if you actually follow the story.

RIVERA: Like what? Like what?

GUTFELD: What do you mean?

RIVERA: What criticism -- intelligent criticism is really bashing?

GUTFELD: No, well. Eric recasts everybody as bashing Trump. I come on here and I actually sit.

BOLLING: Hold on. Hold on. Wait, wait.

GUTFELD: No, but you said.

BOLLING: No, no. Here's what I said. And I said.

GUTFELD: There are a lot of people like Charles Krauthammer. There are people like Jonah Goldberg.

BOLLING: Greg, you're putting words in my mouth again.

GUTFELD: No, you said bashing.

BOLLING: No, I said there are people who are bad. There are GOP pundits.

GUTFELD: Say it. Who are they? Who are they? Who are they -- now doing it to you?

BOLLING: Do you want me to name them?

GUTFELD: Yes, please.

BOLLING: OK. Well, for the last few days I've seen -- yes, I've seen Charles --

GUTFELD: Bashing.

BOLLING: I didn't say -- your word.

GUTFELD: You said bashing -- wait, did I just hear bashing?

BOLLING: I said there are pundits who bash him.

GUTFELD: There you go. See, my point is now I'm trying to response to this.

BOLLING: Karl Rove, I'll give you that. He's bashing Trump for days.

GUTFELD: What's wrong with criticism?

BOLLING: That's enough?

GUTFELD: My point is what's wrong with criticism?

BOLLING: Because criticism is one thing. I think that the GOP should be criticizing the other side. Right now, like him or not Donald Trump is still on.

GUTFELD: But wait a minute, you're OK.


RIVERA: Cowboys, cowboys.


GUTFELD: You're OK with Ted Cruz.


GUTFELD: Was criticizing republicans. When Rand Paul was criticizing republicans, and when Donald Trump was criticizing republicans.

BOLLING: My point is.

GUTFELD: But when you criticize Trump.

BOLLING: My point is, look.

GUTFELD: You call it bashing.

BOLLING: Well, but.

GUTFELD: That's hypocritical.

BOLLING: Why are we wasting our time and valuable airtime? Saying Donald Trump used to be for this and now he's against it. Or Donald Trump says this, instead of looking at Hillary Clinton or looking at Joe Biden, or looking at -- you know what story just completely fell off the face of the earth?

GUILFOYLE: Planned Parenthood.

BOLLING: Martin O'Malley said, "Walked back a comment all lives matter and we didn't even hardly cover it." But have you have comments about.

PERINO: No, you had to do this a one more thing.

BOLLING: So this one more thing.


BOLLING: But that is a huge story.

GUTFELD: Of course it is.

PERINO: But Donald Trump is criticizing republicans, too.

GUTFELD: Yeah, that's.

PERINO: He's like -- it's like.

BOLLING: But that's what they do.

RIVERA: He's not criticizing to me.


PERINO: Why is it OK?

RIVERA: He's knifing.

PERINO: He's insulting them.


RIVERA: He's killing. He's mugging them.

PERINO: It's like not -- I think that they're making a point.

GUILFOYLE: The west side story.

PERINO: Criticism versus insults.


PERINO: And then if everybody wants it's like not -- but in the race of 17 people.

RIVERA: He gave Lindsey Graham's cell phone.

PERINO: You gonna have that. I would like someone to give out my cell phone number because I could get a new cell phone number and I could limit the number of people I give the new one.

GUTFELD: That's what I'm trying to make. The point is that.

PERINO: Just kidding, actually.

GUILFOYLE: Coming up, passing through.

GUTFELD: I've said it many times, that criticism is valuable to the party. But when you recast criticism as bashing, what you're becoming is you're becoming an apologist. And you're saying, leave Trump alone. But even Trump would laugh at that because Trump loves criticizing people. You know there was a woman that came to me and said that -- she said on Twitter, she goes, "I would tolerate anything that Trump would say, as long as he got elected." And I say, like anything worse. I go give me an example. What would actually upset you? Is there any bottom to this well of flukiness?


GUTFELD: Could he say just about anything?

RIVERA: Could -- Donald Trump?


RIVERA: As long as he was against illegal immigration?


RIVERA: He could say almost anything.


GUTFELD: Exactly.

RIVERA: He could say almost anything.

GUILFOYLE: Well, someone else who would like a little bit of attention if the world doesn't mind, yes. Will 16 be sweet for John Kasich?


GUILFOYLE: Oh -- hi, John. Earlier today, the Ohio governor announced he is seeking the presidency, hoping experience in congress, the private sector, and as governor will help him stand out among the other 15 candidates.


JOHN KASICH, 2016 GOP PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I have the experience and the test in testing, the testing which shapes you and prepares you for the most important job in the world. And I believe I know how to work and help restore this great United States.


GUILFOYLE: So as Donald Trump suck in all the oxygen out of the room. Will Kasich be able to separate himself from the pact? While Rick Perry hasn't been able to gain some traction in the polls, by taking on Trump and he was at it again last night.


RICK PERRY, 2016 GOP PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Donald Trump does not have the character, nor does he have the temperament to be the commander in chief of our military forces. If he cannot look John McCain or n the face, or at least pick up the phone and be a gentleman enough to say, you know what, I misspoke. I offended you and I offended a lot of people who have given up to and including their lives, and I want to apologize. If he can't do that, he does not deserve to stay on and be in this election.


GUILFOYLE: All right, well let's get back to John Kasich. So we have Perry speaking nice in a very vocal critic. Obviously, it's Donald Trump and the statement saying that he shouldn't even be on the race. Well, there's somebody who does have a tremendous amount of experience and private sector in government and as governor, and that is John Kasich. And he also used to be an employee here at Fox News channel.

RIVERA: Our colleague, he sat right between us.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, he did.

RIVERA: Two decades in congress and he came to Fox.


RIVERA: And he went to Ohio. People rode him off, said he could never win that swing state. He won it. He is very popular there. I think that it's a key state. Although, as Dana says it's a long way to the general election, you have to win, a republican has to win Ohio basically, to win the presidency. Kasich could do it. But when you look at the.

GUILFOYLE: He's quite popular. A lot of people talk about Kasich and Rubio, together.

RIVERA: But the monkey and the King Kong again. John is kind of a rumpled guy, modest guy. He's a, you know he's --

PERINO: But he's a mid-western looking guy and it was like.

RIVERA: Yeah, He is.

PERINO: GOP voters, that's what they are.

RIVERA: Well, we'll see.

PERINO: I think.

GUILFOYLE: What do you think about the merits and experience?

PERINO: Well, I think -- here's the thing about John Kasich, I said for awhile that I think the folks are going to like him because they have for a long time.


PERINO: So it was -- folks. Because that's his appeal, he as an experienced governor, lot of substance and also an ability to communicate. He has actually some style and -- he's obvious got television experience. That's important if you're going to be able to talk to the masses night after night.

GUILFOYLE: He was supposed to.

PERINO: I also think there are some benefits to being the last one in. Even if it.

RIVERA: Is he the last one in?

PERINO: Well, I think.

RIVERA: I was thinking of going in.

PERINO: Well, you can maybe announce that tomorrow.

BOLLING: I was taking.

GUILFOYLE: If you can find El Chapo and then announce to candidacy.

RIVERA: That's right. I'll find El Chapo first and I use that to slingshot myself.

PERINO: But he did win Ohio decisively and you know Scott Walker could look to Wisconsin and say, I've won of blue state twice. Ohio and goes back and forth. And I think if Kasich wants to try to make the case that he cannot be just the governor of Ohio, but the president of the United States, that he's in a pretty decent position to try to make that case.

GUILFOYLE: All right Eric, what do you think about this candidacy? Is there room for this kind of folksy, you know, charming like candidate? Somebody.

BOLLING: Modest.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, that's a modest individual. He's not you know, the same type of -- when you juxtapose him to, you know Donald Trump.

BOLLING: I think as Dana points out his record are fantastic. His record in congress is fantastic. He balanced the budget.


BOLLING: I think that's very important. As far as likability or that star power name recognition or all that, he -- in my opinion, he brings Ohio which is going to be very important to whoever ends up being the nominee. And I think that's where his real strength is gonna being as the second name on it.

RIVERA: He took Obamacare money, though.

BOLLING: Than rather -- he did a lot of things that I don't like about him personally is, I don't like his stance on Common Core. He's pro Common Core, I don't like that.


BOLLING: I don't like what he did with Obamacare. I agree. That's why as a -- if you're asking me personally, I would say, I wouldn't vote for him as president -- as the nominee as a GOP nominee. I -- but I would like to see him on a ticket to bring Ohio because as Greg point this out, time and time again, she want to win.

GUILFOYLE: Well, if he.

BOLLING: And you have to put some.

GUILFOYLE: You want to win.

BOLLING: Some of your ideology aside.

GUILFOYLE: He delivers. You need Ohio.


GUILFOYLE: You need Florida. So what kind of matrix can you put together? That's why there's been a lot of talk about Kasich and Rubio together in some combination. Greg, what do you have to add to this?

GUTFELD: Well, there are now 16 candidates. This is a group. They could like do a village's version of Hair, that's how large this has become. I'm interested in Kasich because he was almost or once kicked off the stage of a grateful dead show.

PERINO: It's true.

GUTFELD: And I think that alone should put him.

RIVERA: Just smoking a big bong? What was it?

GUTFELD: No, I think he was trying to get on there because he had a pass and they didn't let him on and I thought you know what, maybe that puts him in the frontline if you have Bob Weir and his jorts (ph) kicking you offstage.

BOLLING: Jorts (ph)?

GUTFELD: Jean/shorts.

RIVERA: I would.

GUILFOYLE: Somebody call Fox legal. This is a disclaimer. I don't believe that might be.

BOLLING: Can I just one.


BOLLING: We had an opportunity to come out here and go here's Kasich. And then we threw some Trump on the back side of that for some reason. This is what's going on. Donald Trump is commanding the media.

RIVERA: Which would you rather watch?

GUILFOYLE: Driving the bus (ph).

RIBERA: Isn't that the point?

BOLLING: Well, yes.

RIVERA: Which makes the better television?

BOLLING: Well, it makes the better television.

RIVERA: Isn't that the point right now?

BOLLING: But there's a reason, if he was one or two percent or zero?


BOLLING: We wouldn't be doing that, would we, Geraldo?

RIVERA: Like I -- you object (ph) to the ratings and the ratings had put John Kasich on, you're gonna get a rating, that's about here. You put Trump on and you get a bigger rating. And right now, that's what's driving the conversation.

BOLLING: He comes in. People are watching and.



RIVERA: I just want to quickly say.


BOLLING: He's up.

RIVERA: And the loser so far is Jeb Bush. I think Jeb Bush is coming across, his kind of a schlumpy, you know little shouldered. You know he said a man that I want is that.

GUILFOYLE: What are you talking about? It's like a tall guy with broad shoulders, huh?

RIVERA: But you compared to Trump is, you just check him out.

GUILFOYLE: All right. We're going to do a little GOP calendar next. But, make sure to catch The Five tomorrow night because presidential candidate Chris Christie is going to join us live in studio. We've got a lot of questions for him. You don't want to miss this.

RIVERA: Like why he didn't back me in.

GUILFOYLE: All right, anyway.

Next, to Greg, this it's time for people to stop psychoanalyzing the Chattanooga terrorist. And he's going to try to tell us why. Stay tuned.

GUTFELD: (inaudible).


GUTFELD: Apparently, the Chattanooga fiend felt that his life was worthless. The New York Times headline wrote, "In Chattanooga, young man in downward spiral." Sounds like a yoga position. And we're supposed to care. I return to this fact: There are many people among us who feel their lives are a joke, but they don't force the punchline on all of us. He may be worthless, but the five people he killed were not. That's the math loved by ghouls: death in numbers. Infamy is their ticket to immortality and it's achievable. Remember that Rolling Stone cover?

But there's a cure. You deny the infamy by shutting down the tale like the disease it is. Let the tale die. But that's only half the equation. We know his story, but what about ours? We cannot deny that the online era has replaced proximity with distance. So while we share a lot about who we are, we share nothing more. There is no commonality or community. We are everything but Americans. It's easy to attack something you don't know, which is why we can slander people online or mock the country whose history you detest. The self-loathing anti-patriotism where public spirit is denigrated now passes as intelligence on campus and in culture. And so the West is not just fighting evil anymore but those who deny it. Take Democratic candidate Martin O'Malley who says climate change caused ISIS. Seriously. Clearly he suffers from ABIS or "Anything But Islam Syndrome." It's like IBS, except he's the pain in the ass.


GUILFOYLE: Will you have that?

GUTFELD: Sometimes I think I have it, Kimberly. Then I realize it's just you.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, stop it.


BOLLING: Let's see what he does.


GUTFELD: KGBS. All right.


GUTFELD: Since you're already talking, Kimberly. Does knowing the back story of a fiend help?

GUILFOYLE: It might bring some kind of comfort or solace to some individuals.

GUTFELD: Yes, family.

GUILFOYLE: As choose to explain away the fact that he was obviously, influenced by radical Islam. OK? And allowed himself to be radicalized or sought it out. That should not be forgotten in this story. You can't just go ahead and say, well, this is an individual, a downward spiral. Sounds like troubled youth getting involved with the wrong kids smoking after school. That's not what this is.

GUTFELD: It's the final (ph) the Nine Inch Nails album. That's all it is.


RIVERA: I think that when you have this, a very provocative ideology.


RIVERA: And you have someone who happens to be of that religion who is, or who aspires to be because it is the answers to some of the questions or problems in their lives. Then you're going to have a problem. When you have the slick social media promoters, a.k.a. ISIS and they are putting out a very seductive message, and the kid reads it and he says, "Aha! I'm not such a loser."


RIVERA: "Because I'm really an ISIS warrior in the making. I will mold myself to be exactly the person that Al Baghdadi says I must be. And I will find myself a following and I will find life after death." And it's a, you know, I think it's the story of our era. I mean, we can -- you can mock or joke and psychobabble this or that. It is absolutely the most profound danger our civilization faces. Sunni Muslim extremism as acted out by the individual, by the ad hominem individual who sees it in his disturbed and dysfunctional world as the answer to his problems and it causes misery for the rest of us.

GUTFELD: Eric, do places or media enable it by always trying to avoid (inaudible), the whole point of radicalization? But it could be depression, it could be pills, but they don't say.

BOLLING: Blame things.


BOLLING: Let's blame depression. Let's blame pills, let's.

PERINO: Climate change.

BOLLING: Blame bad parenting.

GUILFOYLE: Climate change, yeah.

BOLLING: Climate change -- whatever it is. But the reality is in every time they do these studies -- remember the NYPD a couple years ago, put together studies that found that somewhere between 15 and 20 percent of Muslims can be radicalized or would be willing to be radicalized. If you do the math on the numbers, I don't care what you say.

GUILFOYLE: Geraldo says.

BOLLING: You can call me whatever you want, Islamophobic or whatever. But if 15 or 20 percent of the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, or 15 or 20 percent of the 4 million Muslims in America can be radicalized, we're talking -- I don't know, 50, 75,000 people in America who could be radicals and somewhere around 300 million people who could be radicalized? Am I doing the -- yeah, 300 --


BOLLING: 32 million people around the world could be radicalized. So if you focus your attention on them, aren't you more likely going to find the bad ones, the ones that are willing to be radicalized and kill Americans? Is that profiling? Is that wrongly profiling?

RIVERA: It won't protect you against Jared Loughner or James Holmes or Adam Lanza. No Muslims there, but the same bottom line.


RIVERA: They're attacking civilization.

BOLLING: But they have dozens more that.

GUILFOYLE: But didn't set (ph).

BOLLING: Protect us again.

GUTFELD: Dana, when I was a kid, I joined the cheap trick fan club. If why -- but it seems like people are not joining the fun things anymore, are they?

PERINO: They use -- all right, when -- my parents wouldn't let me join that. Well, this is the thing that you could -- albums and you could buy it for like a penny?

GUTFELD: The Columbia.

PERINO: Yeah. I know the fact to join that.

GUTFELD: Yeah, for one penny, that's 17 select (ph).

PERINO: Here's the thing that -- can I just say one thing I'm concerned about with this?

GUTFELD: I hope.

PERINO: Is that -- so the parents, I understand are what -- are saying he had drug abuse problems, and he was depressed.


PERINO: But there are.

GUTFELD: Join the club.

PERINO: Lots of parents.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, God.

PERINO: Who have -- our parents of children that have drug abuse problems.


PERINO: And depression. And they don't -- then kill and target American military.

GUILFOYLE: Because they're not radicalized the Islamic extremists.

PERINO: Right. And so, I actually think there's an opportunity here for the next president of the United States to have a platform. I think some with the primary platform necessarily, but somebody who is actually going to say that dealing with mental health problems in this country should be one of our top priorities in the next years because we know.

GUILFOYLE: Who is saying this?

PERINO: That from all the ones that -- Geraldo just mentioned that is the repeated pattern.

GUTFELD: All right. I think we did that.

GUILFOYLE: I think that was sufficient.

GUTFELD: OK. Should we keep going?


GUTFELD: All right, next. Aliens flying sharks.


GUTFELD: And crying toddlers. What's worse? The Fastest 7 ahead.


BOLLING: Welcome back, time for the fastest seven minutes on television, three fiery stories, seven frolicsome minutes, one fervid host. First up, world renowned physicist Stephen Hawking is on a new mission. He's teaming up with Russian billionaires to search for aliens, $100 million quest. By the way, listen.


STEPHEN HAWKING, BRITISH PHYSICIST: We believe that life arose spontaneously on Earth. So in an infinite universe, there must be other occurrences of life. It's time to commit to finding the answer to search for life beyond Earth. We are alive, we are intelligent, we must know.


BOLLING: Greg, if anyone can find aliens, Stephen Hawking would be the one.

GUTFELD: Yes. But this raises some serious philosophical questions.

RIVERA: With Donald Trump.


GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

GUTFELD: What if we do discover E.T., and he's delicious and friendly? Let's say the E.T. is really smart and compassionate but looks like a Krispy Kreme doughnut. Should we eat the aliens? After all, we eat earthlings: we eat cows; we eat broccoli. That's an earthling. We should be eating the aliens.

However, I have another possibility. What if E.T. is hideously ugly? What if like their -- like, their version of beauty is a steaming pile of rotting fish carcasses? Then we'd kill them!


GUTFELD: Based on their looks.

RIVERA: You are the weirdest cohost I've ever had.

GUILFOYLE: It's so weird.

GUTFELD: We kill insects on earth. We kill insects, and they are also earthlings. They are earthlings.

BOLLING: They provide nutrition.

GUTFELD: Exactly. So if we meet...

GUILFOYLE: Unless you're on "Survivor."

GUTFELD: ... aliens kill them. And kill them swiftly, I say.

BOLLING: OK. K.G., any comments on...


GUILFOYLE: Something's wrong with you today. I think you should take advantage of the free counselling program provided by this network.

GUTFELD: It didn't stick, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, it didn't.

BASH: I didn't quite follow that, but I'm going to watch it again.

Knock themselves out, right? If they want to spend this kind of money. It's private R&D. And you never know what other sort of discoveries they might find along the way. So they might not ultimately find an alien, but they could find something else or find a new method for creating some -- finding a...

GUTFELD: We should build a wall so we can't find the aliens.

PERINO: Make the aliens pay for it.

RIVERA: The discovery of life, even a microbe...

BOLLING: Unbelievable.


RIVERA: Right to the moon. Right to the moon, Alice.

A discovery of life anywhere else, unique life, even a bacteria on some other planet would be the biggest discovery since fire on earth.

BOLLING: And one of the things they plan on spending the money on, K.G., is telescope time. Apparently, it's very expensive. They only get a few hours for the private sector to go and buy in. But now they're going to have $100 million to throw in.

GUILFOYLE: I mean, OK, I could think of so many other things to do with that kind of money. But you know, nonetheless, like Dana said, let them go knock themselves out.

GUTFELD: What if it's a planet of shoes, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: I'm going to go.

GUTFELD: All right.

BOLLING: How about this one? Next up a mom, crying 20-month -- crying 21- month-old fed-up diner owner, a slap on the counter, a yell at the child, then the social media backlash. It all went down at Marcy's Diner in Portland, Maine. Here's Darla Neugebauer, the owner and offender's explanation.


DARLA NEUGEBAUER, OWNER, MARCY'S DINER: I turned around, slammed both hands on the counter and then pointed at child and said, "This has got to stop!" Then his mother screamed at me because I was yelling at her child.

You know what, lady? You should have taken the kid outside. I think maybe Mom and Dad could have taken the kid out and nipped it right in the bud. I had had enough.


BOLLING: All right, K.G. To be fair, the mom said they were waiting for 40 minutes for their food.

GUILFOYLE: You're so right, kids get upset. This is why you have snacks. Because children and men get a little bit cranky when they don't have food. I always have, like, Power Bars and things that you could eat, so it doesn't matter what...

RIVERA: But you're so nice. What if they yelled at your kid? What if they yelled at Ronan when he was 2 like that? Would you...

GUILFOYLE: I would slap her face.

RIVERA: Really?


RIVERA: That's child abuse.

GUILFOYLE: Well, no. My point is if she did something like that? Yes, she and I are going to get into it. That's a fact.

RIVERA: But the parents should have taken the child outside. But my goodness, to be physical that way with someone else's child?

BOLLING: She smacked the table. She wasn't really...

RIVERA: But the kid could be traumatized.

BOLLING: Well, if I can weigh in...

BASH: They're humans. Yes, you can.

BOLLING: Both are at fault. The mom should -- definitely should have gotten the kid out away from the people. And the store owner should have, like, worked with her on that.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, but how about bringing -- everybody knows this in a restaurant. Like bring some bread or some snack or something like that, so the kids can have something to eat. And bring, like, an iPad or an iPhone.

BASH: K.G. gives me snacks in the green room.

GUILFOYLE: Totally true, see?

BASH: Where everybody is very calm and happy.

But I think that also it's -- she's a business owner. If they're that busy and they have 40-minute waits, and it's annoying other customers, like, she's human. Like social media should lay off.


GUTFELD: I'm with Kimberly. I think they should beat the child.

GUILFOYLE: I didn't say that.

GUTFELD: To the punch. Beat the child to the punch by having some food with you. Let me finish, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Terrible.

BOLLING: The best part of that was "I'm with Kimberly."


BOLLING: Interesting.


Dream on.

RIVERA: Get some elevator shoes.

BOLLING: And many of you also know -- Many of you also know I have a pretty good eye for some of these things. "Homeland," "House of Cards," "Walking Dead," "Tyrant." Well, it's time for my five-star recommendation. Behold.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. Not again. Oh, my God.


IAN ZIERING, ACTOR: I know how this is going to sound. I can sense these storms now. These sharks, they have scent. It's not a pretty one.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sharknados have now been reported all up and down the East Coast.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They're everywhere.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is going to be the big one; this is going to be the one we can't contain.





BOLLING: Oh, hell yes, Geraldo. Oh, hell yes!

GUILFOYLE: Are you...


RIVERA: Ian Ziering was my principal rival on "The Celebrity Apprentice." We really were head-to-head, and I blame Ian absolutely for keeping me out of "Sharknado 3." I was the one guy in New York that didn't get a cameo. Everybody else did, but it's brilliant. Mark Cuban, Ann Coulter, Tara Reid as his romantic, you know, opposite.

BOLLING: Something extra for tomorrow, as well. Your thoughts on this amazing piece of work.

GUILFOYLE: Are you kidding me?

BOLLING: This absolute...

GUILFOYLE: I'm a little embarrassed by your obsession with "Sharknado."

BOLLING: I'm not even faking it.

GUILFOYLE: Three times the 'nado? Come on.

BOLLING: I think this is the greatest movie. It is...

GUILFOYLE: No, you don't. Take it back.

BOLLING: It is so entertaining. Look, you have to watch it with, you know, Kyle, our assistant. K.G. and I have an assistant. She's like, "You really don't like 'Sharknado,' do you?"

I'm like, "Kyle, I love this. You have to watch it with -- just let yourself go. Stop thinking and just enjoy."

GUILFOYLE: Kyle is, like, watching movies with you?

RIVERA: How come the dolphins and the tunas don't get swept up?

GUILFOYLE: Here we go, dolphins.

BOLLING: More -- times the sharks, Greg.

GUTFELD: What's interesting is that Bo Derek is playing Tara Reid's mom, when it should be the other way around. And Anthony Weiner is in "Sharknado," which is fitting, because he is finito. You see, "ito"?

BOLLING: Dana. Dana.

PERINO: This is on tonight?

BOLLING: Tomorrow night.

PERINO: Tomorrow night? I think I have plans.

I'm going to be on Megyn Kelly tomorrow night. I'd watch that.

BOLLING: Well, you can tape one. How's that?

GUILFOYLE: I like Ian Ziering, so...

BOLLING: Yes, he's the best.

All right. Next, the newest attempt by...

RIVERA: The best?

BOLLING: The best, Geraldo -- the Democrats to take down one of the biggest job creators of the 21st century. That would be Uber. Stick around.


PERINO: Instead of hailing taxies, many Americans across the country are reaching for their smartphones to order an Uber car. Now some Democrats, like New York City's mayor, want to curb the company's rapid growth.


MAYOR BILL DE BLASIO (D), NEW YORK: Let's be clear. Uber is a multibillion-dollar corporation. And they're acting like one. They're looking out for their corporate bottom line. They're putting their profits over all other considerations.

I do not debate with the heads of private companies over their own self- interests.


PERINO: Bill de Blasio says he wants to freeze Uber's expansion to study congestion in the city. Uber thinks he has other motives.


DAVID PLOUFFE, FORMER OBAMA CAMPAIGN SPOKESMAN: This is the exactly wrong thing to do. And at the end of the day, I think the motivation here is the taxi industry has showered the mayor, city council president and others with a lot of money; and this is payback.


PERINO: The company's launched a TV ad campaign to fight the mayor's plan.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is New York. We live in five boroughs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don't just pick people up. We pick ourselves up. We pick our families up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When the mayor come [SIC] to town, he promised to provide job [SIC].

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He should understand the struggles that most Americans go through. Embrace the fact that people want to go to work.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The mayor is giving into the taxi industry.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't think it's really fair.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If Uber continues to grow, there will be more jobs across The Five boroughs.

GRAPHIC: Uber will create 10,000 more New York City jobs over the next year.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Millionaires and other (UNINTELLIGIBLE) don't need help. People like us do.

GRAPHIC: Tell Mayor de Blasio: You promised to end income inequality. Don't put taxi donors ahead of jobs.


PERINO: OK. That's an ad that was put together by Uber.

And Greg, David Plouffe...


PERINO: ... who was the other sound bite that we showed, he was the master of the Obama campaign. And if I were de Blasio wouldn't want to go up against him. But you seem particularly irritated with the mayor.

GUTFELD: Well, first, I mean, the mayor is such a prick-ly guy. I just can't listen to him.

For one thing, Uber has been found to be faster and cheaper than taxis in poor areas. So basically, they are screwing the poor because of their alliances with political donors.

And Hillary -- Hillary can go after Uber, because she already has a driver. She probably thinks that Uber is a German sex act. She's never seen it; she doesn't know what she's talking about. These people are disgusting.

And the way he treats this corporation as something that's been around forever, this multibillion-dollar corporation. It just started. You should be celebrating Uber. You shouldn't be trying to screw it over, you lurch.

PERINO: The other thing I was going to ask you, Eric, in trying -- in trying to protect their donors and workers, the taxis, they're actually hurting the consumers, especially in lower income areas.

BOLLING: Here's what happens. First of all, De Blasio is worried about traffic in the city? He's got half the West Side tied up in knots with construction.

GUILFOYLE: He does. Terrible.

PERINO: And bike lanes.

BOLLING: The worst-managed, traffic-managed city in America by far. Used to be Boston; now it's New York City.

As for Uber, it's like a politician to, once things start to work, they try and figure out what -- how they can get their hands in and what they can do to make themselves feel more important. They say they're going to protect the quality of the jobs that are being created by Uber. That's one of the pushbacks on -- for Hillary and de Blasio.

The problem is, they're creating high-paying jobs. They're creating -- a lot of minorities are driving. I saw a sign on a bus yesterday. It said, "If you want to make $35,000 in the next six months, guaranteed, sign up as an Uber driver." Guaranteed. That's 70 grand a year. Those are high- paying jobs.

But when they put all those regulations on their, when they complain and they make things not work as easily as they could, Uber will pull out of the city. They've done it before. They'll pull out of the city.

What happens? All those people that were getting picked up by Uber cabs? By the way, there's a huge problem with African-Americans getting picked up by Yellow Cabs in the Bronx.

PERINO: Not getting picked up.


RIVERA: North of 96th.

BOLLING: Right, north of 96th Street. So they literally have to paint them green so they'll go there. Uber doesn't have that restriction, so they can go there. All those people that want to get to work are going to have to find another way to get to work and have to pay a lot more.

PERINO: And yet, Silicon Valley in large droves, Geraldo, does support Democrats, including Hillary Clinton. This is kind of the regulatory thing that they could expect.

RIVERA: I can't figure that out. My dad was a union cab driver under the legendary union chief Harry van Arsdale. But the Yellow medallion cabs have exactly the deficit Eric cites; minority people can't hail a cab. It's a joke in New York, a black man holding his hand up. You know, it's like he's waiting for an umbrella, because the cops -- the cab's not going to stop for him.

Uber has totally disrupted an industry where one medallion was worth over $1 million. Now it's about 700,000. That's what is fueling de Blasio's fight against Uber. It's his constituency, these medallion cabs give him a lot of money. And that's, I think...

PERINO: One other thing, Kimberly.


PERINO: One of the benefits of Uber has been parents can actually feel safe in putting their kid in an Uber to go from point to point.

GUILFOYLE: A hundred percent. I've done that. Yes. Absolutely.

RIVERA: With Ronan? No.

GUILFOYLE: Not by himself, but I sent him with his babysitter. I put them -- yes, go in the Uber, send them over to his dad's. That type of thing.

I think -- also, because of the safety, you have all of the driver's name, information. I can actually say, make sure they go to the right location. I can make sure, and I can see on my phone exactly when they arrive. They've gotten to the destination.

GUTFELD: The cars are nicer. They're cleaner. It doesn't smell.

RIVERA: They really show up.

PERINO: So de Blasio is having -- de Blasio is waging a war on single moms in New York City?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. He's the worst person in the world if he doesn't like single moms.

PERINO: Right. David Plouffe, call me. I've got a new line of attack for you.

All right. Next, new details on the drowning at Demi Moore's home in Los Angeles. Could the actress be held liable for the pool party victim's death? We're going to ask Kimberly that when "The Five" returns.


RIVERA: Actress Demi Moore has released a statement after a man was found dead in her swimming pool this weekend. Moore says she is in absolute shock about the drowning and was out of the country at the time when she got the devastating news.

The victim has been identified as 21-year-old Edenilson Steven Valle. He was a guest -- was a guest at a party thrown, not by Moore but by Moore's assistant. The death ruled accidental. But could Demi Moore be held legally liable, even though she wasn't there?



RIVERA: ... I think that, if the person was authorized to have the party, clearly she is liable. If the person routinely had parties, and she knew about it...

GUILFOYLE: And she was aware of it.

RIVERA: ... she would still be liable. Only if the person was sneaking around would her liability be limited, it seems to me. But...

GUILFOYLE: Well, it would be attenuated, but it still wouldn't, I don't think, be negligible. Because what they're going to say is that you're responsible for your employees. And in fact, if he had access, you know, to the house and, like you said, the past record is going to be very important.

Perhaps he's going to help her (ph) and say, "Listen, she has nothing to do with it. I did this without her permission." If I were her lawyer I would be getting that statement, sworn affidavit immediately.

RIVERA: The insurance company surely will.

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely. I mean, the insurance company is going to have to defend against it, depending. I'm quite certain that she has an umbrella insurance policy.

RIVERA: Homeowner's.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Absolutely. Like 20 or more, God knows how much. Maybe 100 million, depending on her exposure.

GUILFOYLE: What about all these people drowning in Hollywood pools?

GUTFELD: I don't know. It's -- I stay out of Hollywood for that reason.

This assistant, by the way, he ain't getting another job. Isn't this like if I were away and somebody borrowed a power tool from my garage and then went and then accidentally impaled themself?

RIVERA: Depending on where they did it. If they impaled themselves on your property, you would...

PERINO: But why?

RIVERA: ... your insurance company would have to defend a lawsuit.

GUTFELD: What if they took my power tool and they -- ? Is that -- is a pool no different than a...

BOLLING: It's an accident with the owner of the property not knowing it was even going on.

GUILFOYLE: Employers are responsible for their employees.

RIVERA: That's not clear yet, Eric.

BOLLING: I'd be shocked -- I would be absolutely shocked if there's any sort of prosecution of Demi Moore specifically. Yes, her insurance company may end up eating it, but they're not going to go after her.


BOLLING: It's not like a child who should have parental supervision.

RIVERA: Dana, should she be...


PERINO: I feel like the guy who's 21 years old and partying in the pool that died? I mean, I don't see how that's her fault.

RIVERA: Her house, her pool.

GUTFELD: But you know...

PERINO: She wasn't even in the country.

GUTFELD: We are now talking more about this than the person that was killed in the Caitlyn Jenner car accident. That's what's interesting, right?

RIVERA: You're not allowed to say anything critical of Caitlyn Jenner.

GUTFELD: My point.

RIVERA: I think that was Bruce at the time.

GUTFELD: It was Bruce at the time.

RIVERA: Are they different? What?

"One More Thing" is next.

GUTFELD: There you go.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. Did they get in your ear?


GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing." We begin with Ms. Dana.



PERINO: You're going to want to see this, because this guy's amazing. He's 19 years old; he's Australian. So he has an accent, but you can't really here him. You can watch him, though. Check this out.




PERINO: The world championship Rubik's cube competition. His name is Feliks Zemdegs, 5.6 seconds in Brazil over the weekend.

GUTFELD: That was sped up.

PERINO: No, it's true.

GUTFELD: That was fake. You fell for it again. Australians.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. You just used up your time, actually, Greg.

GUTFELD: That's OK. I'm not going to -- go to I've got a column up there. It's on The Donald and all the things he's taught us about life. Check it out.

GUILFOYLE: And check out "O'Reilly" tonight.

GUTFELD: Oh, that's right. I'm on "O'Reilly" tonight.

GUILFOYLE: And so am I tonight.

GUTFELD: On his show.

GUILFOYLE: My segment's better. Thank you.

All right, Eric.

GUTFELD: That hurts.

BOLLING: All right. While -- while everyone has been focused on The Donald, Rand Paul released his tax plan, which has some of the fair tax and the flat tax issues. But he also wants to get rid of the tax code completely. Watch how he suggests we do it. Or he wants your opinion how.


SEN. RAND PAUL (R-KY), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Hi, I'm Rand Paul, and I'm trying to kill the tax code, all 70,000 pages of it.

GRAPHIC: How would you kill the tax code? Burn it? With a wood chipper? With a chainsaw?


BOLLING: Anyway, I love this idea. Kill the tax code. Go to FlatTax/FairTax. Love it.

RIVERA: All you rich people want that.

GUILFOYLE: Chain saw massacre. What did you say?

RIVERA: That rich people want it.

GUILFOYLE: No, you said something else about working out.

RIVERA: Rand Paul needs to do some upper body work.

GUILFOYLE: So he can take a selfie like you?

GUTFELD: So he could wield that chain saw.

BOLLING: No, let's...

GUILFOYLE: All right. I have a really cute -- I know. Selfie, anyone? Geraldo? All right. You're in a selfie time out.

I have a great "One More Thing" today. She's the cutest thing ever. Remember Stephen Curry's daughter Riley? She's 3 years old. This is a little video that her mom took of her birthday. Take a look.





GUILFOYLE: So that's Stephen Curry's daughter. Remember, she was on the news conference with them? She's very cute. Adorable. What's up?

RIVERA: When my buddy Rod Blagojevich became the fourth of the last seven governors of Illinois to go to jail for -- you know, he was accused of extortion and wire fraud and selling President Obama's Senate seat. Remember that?

I said at the time when I heard the tapes that it did not seem to me that a crime was actually committed. Today the 7th Circuit federal appeals court, a very conservative court, agreed with me. They threw out much of the convictions of Rod Blagojevich. He's still in jail, because they didn't throw them all out. But I expect that he's already served two years, so we'll soon have Rod Blagojevich to kick around.

GUTFELD: His hair and your mustache should meet.


GUILFOYLE: They should, like, make out, right?

GUTFELD: Could you imagine that?

GUILFOYLE: That would be like "Sharknado 4."


BOLLING: He tried to sell a Senate seat. That's highly illegal.

GUILFOYLE: OK, reminder. Hello, focus. Chris Christie joins us tomorrow night. That's it for us. "Special Report" right here next.


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