This is a rush transcript from "The Five," July 15, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Melissa Francis and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."
Just a few hours ago, President Obama held an hour and 10-minute press conference outlining his rationale for doing a massive deal with the Iranian regime. He began by taking on some of his biggest critics.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: For all the objections of Prime Minister Netanyahu or for that matter the -- some of the republican leadership that's already spoken, none of them have presented to me or the American people a better alternative. Either the issue of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon is resolved diplomatically through negotiation or it's resolved through force, through war.
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BOLLING: Now here's ABC's Jon Karl wondering what's on a lot of our minds. If the deal was so good and this was the best option, why are dictators celebrating the most?
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JON KARL, ABC NEWS CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Mr. President, does it give you any pause to see this deal praised by Syrian dictator Assad as a great victory for Iran, or praised by those in Tehran who still shout death to America. And yet, our closest ally in the Middle East calls it a mistake of historic proportions?
OBAMA: It does not give me pause that Mr. Assad or others in Tehran may be trying to spin the deal in a way that they think is favorable to what their constituencies want to hear. That's what politicians do.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: And inexplicably the president admitted today that we likely could not trust the Iranians and outlined why they did a deal with them anyway. This is not sit well with critics of the deal. Dick Cheney summed that skepticism, a perfectly last night on Hannity.
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DICK CHENEY, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The one thing that really disturbed me is when he said we have quote, "Stopped the proliferation of nuclear weapons." That's a lie. What Obama has done has in effect sanctioned the acquisition by Iran of nuclear capability. He's not a man of his word. He's not a man who could be trusted. And I think our allies who find their very survival at question here, there isn't any way they are gonna rely upon Barack Obama for safety and security. What the hell is the president thinking of when he thinks this is a great deal and I, frankly, I simply do not understand. I haven't met anybody who can explain it to me.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: Well said, Mr. VP. Well said. Melissa, we were on the 12th floor and heard you yelling at the TV.
MELISSA FRANCIS, GUEST CO-HOST: You heard that?
BOLLING: Oh, I was hearing that, yeah.
FRANCIS: Yeah. What the president said 99 percent of the world's community agrees that this will prevent the Iranians from getting a nuclear weapon. What?
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Who?
FRANCIS: I don't think 99 percent of the world agrees with that. In the meantime, they become the de facto hegemony of the region because not only this is maybe give them nukes, I mean it gives them money. You know there are companies they're called Pizza Hut and McDonalds in Iran right now. They are dying for American products. Apple is going to move in. GE is going to move in. Their economy is going to explode, $150 billion in money unfrozen. They are immediately going to be a wealthy society. It's the last untapped market and then you cannot stop them. That's the real threat.
BOLLING: Juanito, Jon Karl asked if the deal was so good, why are Dictators Assad, the mullahs, why are they celebrating so actively, aggressively?
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, they need a deal. I mean, their people are suffering especially, inside of Iran because of the sanctions effort. And so what they're celebrating is that suddenly, there's the potential here for Iran to come out of that kind of economic pain.
WILLIAMS: And to come in.
BOLLING: That was working so well.
WILLIAMS: It wasn't working so well because remember, the deal -- the pain was being inflicted and this goes to Melissa's point by Germany, by France, by Britain and other members of this group that put together the sanctions. And when you come to China and Russia, also members of the group, they weren't going to continue these sanctions. So it's not like, oh, yeah, you could just up the sanctions and gets further concessions. You know, that's just not realistic.
BOLLING: K.G., what do you hear?
BOLLING: Did you hear anything in that hour and 10 minutes that told you what we got out of the deal?
GUILFOYLE: No, it was like give me a break. He's like the king of ambient or something. It's a snooze alert. No. Nothing, nothing to justify it, not this time, not when he did the conference about it. And what really bothers me is that why did he not get back, you know, the four Americans? Why? He is willing to trade terrorists, why -- you think that's a bad idea?
WILLIAMS: Yes, of course it's silly.
GUILFOYLE: Because he did for Bowe Bergdahl.
WILLIAMS: This is -- what are you talking?
GUILFOYLE: It's just terrible. This is bad deal.
WILLIAMS: You guys are all over the map.
GUILFOYLE: It was a bad deal.
WILLIAMS: You just don't like Obama.
GUILFOYLE: They got all the money back.
WILLIAMS: This is just an attack on Obama.
GUILFOYLE: He's not my favorite.
WILLIAMS: This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Clearly, the answer to your question, as I told you yesterday, I tell you again today. We, as an American people are safer as a result of this deal. Israel is safer as a result of this deal.
BOLLING: I would push back vehemently against that Juan.
WILLIAMS: Oh, right ahead.
BOLLING: I think the Middle East is a tinderbox box not to the arms race in the Middle East. And most of the guns are going to be pointed at Israel and then we'll gonna have to do something. Greg, an hour and 10 minutes, seven questions?
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Right. He knows how to wear you down. But I've heard and I've noticed the deal is already working. I hear Iran is already softening their stance to us. They're no longer shouting death to America. It's now just death to parts of America. So I think that's progress in of itself. If you take President Obama's logic and you apply it to practical parts of your life, at that point, you see how idiotic it is. For example, you cannot trust a leader who presents you with two extreme options. It's either this negotiation or its war. Imagine that in real life. Honey, it's either meat loaf or divorce. That's not how you actually negotiate. You negotiate by waiting somebody out and like what Ronald Reagan did and he waited for the Russians to come to the table. In this case, we are flocking to the table saying, if we don't go to the table, we're going to have to kill everybody. It doesn't make sense.
BOLLING: That's a lit tactic, though.
BOLLING: It's either you're for food stamps or you hate poor people.
GUTFELD: But also this --
GUTFELD: Under this deal, Iran gets a heads-up. Again, apply it to practical life. Imagine law enforcement saying, before we raid that meth lab, we're gonna give you two weeks' notice.
GUTFELD: That's -- there's no difference to that. We have hard-liners. Iran has hard-liners. Our problem is our hard-liners weren't there. We sent Mary Poppins to an Ultimate Fighting Championship.
GUILFOYLE: It's true.
BOLLING: There are hard-liners.
BOLLING: These are hard-liners.
WILLIAMS: Yesterday, it was Winnie the Pooh, today its Mary Poppins.
GUTFELD: It's a theme.
WILLIAMS: But let me just say.
GUTFELD: It's a theme.
WILLIAMS: This is so clear because you know the president answered your questions, Dr. Gutfeld. He answered your question.
GUTFELD: I am not a doctor. I only pretend.
WILLIAMS: Well, I know that part. But I'm saying.
GUILFOYLE: He is just like (inaudible).
WILLIAMS: He answered your questions.
WILLIAMS: When it comes to this issue of the 24-days and the like, he made it very clear. Not only is that the case that you can't quickly like, shelf this stuff. Remember yesterday, Kimberly said, well, it's like the teenager. You could put the socks and the drugs in the other drawer while mom comes in and looks in this drawer. The president made it clear. It's this radioactive material, the plutonium, the uranium -- it would leave tracers.
GUILFOYLE: But Juan.
WILLIAMS: And we're gonna be watching anyway. So I mean, this is all seems to me like a political attempt.
BOLLING: Juan, I had.
WILLIAMS: I hate on this deal because of Obama.
GUTFELD: How dare you.
BOLLING: We asked this question yesterday. What exactly are we getting out of this deal? Well, Iran curbed their terrorist ways? That was never part of the agreement according to President Obama and his deputy national security adviser. Listen.
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OBAMA: This deal is not contingent on Iran changing its behavior. It's not contingent on Iran suddenly operating like a liberal democracy.
BEN RHODES, DEPUTY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: We expect that they will continue to undertake activity like support for terrorism and proxies that we had very strong objections to.
OBAMA: The argument that I've been already hearing and this was foreshadowed before the deal was announced, that because this deal does not solve all those other problems, and that's an argument for rejecting this deal. It defies logic.
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BOLLING: And what about those four American hostages held in Iran? Do we get them back? Listen to Major Garrett get the presidential smackdown when he dared to challenge Obama on that issue.
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MAJOR ELLIOTT GARRETT, CBS WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Can you tell the country, sir, why you are content with all the fanfare around this deal to leave the conscious of this nation, the strength of this nation unaccounted for in relationship to these four Americans?
OBAMA: The notion that I am content, as I celebrate with American citizens languishing in Iranian jails, major, that's nonsense. And you should know better.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: But it was a good question.
FRANCIS: I think I saw a tear in his eye.
BOLLING: Can I just get Greg here on this one. Expect the -- I'm sorry, Melissa. Ben Rhodes says we expect Iran to support terror.
BOLLING: Yet they did a deal that's put billion of dollars in there.
GUTFELD: Yeah, they said we'll gonna do this, but we can't change them. It's very hard to change these people. You know, we -- his excuse to the last fellow, who used to work here, what's his name?
GUILFOYLE: Major Garrett.
BOLLING: Major Garrett.
GUTFELD: Major Garrett. You see, he wanted to keep the hostage negotiations separate from the nuclear negotiations because it would have made the nuclear negotiations more difficult. Well, that's the point. It's not supposed to be easy.
BOLLING: All right.
GUTFELD: That is no excuse to say this makes it harder.
WILLIAMS: But he didn't say that, Greg. He said.
GUTFELD: Yes, he did.
WILLIAMS: No, what he said.
GUTFELD: He kept it separate because he felt that Iran.
WILLIAMS: No, Greg.
GUTFELD: Was going to use the hostages to negotiate.
WILLIAMS: Correct. He said that would have given Iran more leverage over the nuclear and our goal.
GUILFOYLE: Then what?
GUTFELD: That's the point.
WILLIAMS: No, it's not.
GUTFELD: And then you fight against that.
WILLIAMS: No, the point was to stop Iran from having a nuclear weapon.
GUTFELD: And we could have had the hostages.
GUILFOYLE: What else would they have gotten?
WILLIAMS: Yeah. They have.
GUILFOYLE: What else would have they gotten? They got everything they wanted $150 billion.
WILLIAMS: It didn't get everything they wanted.
GUILFOYLE: And they got to keep the hostages.
GUILFOYLE: It's the worst deal ever.
BOLLING: It was $100 billion that we had frozen assets from oil sales and we said, here you go. Here's your $100 billion back.
WILLIAMS: You know.
BOLLING: Just to come to the table. By the way, you're getting ballistic missiles.
WILLIAMS: You know.
BOLLING: Oh, and by the way, you're gonna be able to trade arms in five years. What do they want?
FRANCIS: And you have the number one state sponsor of terror that you're allowing their economy to explode. I mean, the $150 billion is the just the tip of the iceberg.
WILLIAMS: It's the.
FRANCIS: All the companies are going to move in. I mean, it's the last untapped market. If you set the nukes aside, Juan, I mean, address that aspect of it.
WILLIAMS: I'll be glad too.
FRANCIS: If they are the number one sponsor of terror in the Middle East, why do you want to open up their economy?
FRANCIS: As the last horizon for all of these companies to move in and make them rich.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Why is everybody celebrating --?
WILLIAMS: Let me just say.
GUILFOYLE: Hezbollah is doing the Macarena right now, I'm telling you.
GUTFELD: Wrong dance, but.
WILLIAMS: The funny dance. I like that dance. That's a very good dance especially summertime.
GUILFOYLE: Oh my, God.
WILLIAMS: But let me just say, this is about the United States of America making a deal to try to eliminate the bomb from Iran and.
BOLLING: But it does it, Juan.
WILLIAMS: Everybody listen.
BOLLING: It guarantees it.
WILLIAMS: It does not.
BOLLING: It gives them a clear path, though.
WILLIAMS: You know you're just telling people silliness.
BOLLING: No, no. That is not.
WILLIAMS: This is nonsense.
BOLLING: Juan, Juan, in 15 years.
WILLIAMS: I think what President Obama said to major -- that is nonsense.
BOLLING: Juan, in 15 years they can have uranium as much as they want.
WILLIAMS: Oh, in 15 years, we don't know what's going on. What they got?
BOLLING: In 25 years they can have as many centrifuges as they want.
WILLIAMS: You go and on. Stop for a second. Let me just tell you something.
BOLLING: What, am I wrong?
WILLIAMS: Yes, you're wrong.
WILLIAMS: Let me just tell you something. Right now as we sit at this table, they have the capacity to break out in a matter of months.
BOLLING: I've heard that for 10 years.
WILLIAMS: Right now.
BOLLING: How long have you heard that?
WILLIAMS: Oh, you don't what to hear.
BOLLING: That was within three months or six months in America.
WILLIAMS: You don't want to hear.
GUTFELD: It's extortion.
WILLIAMS: It's extortion.
GUTFELD: It's like if we don't view of them, they're gonna do it. Why don't we just do what Reagan did and just practice extreme diligence.
WILLIAMS: Oh, yeah.
GUTFELD: It's a good name for a movie, by the way.
WILLIAMS: No. Because if you have been sleeping here when Reagan did this deal, or when Nixon did his deal with China, you would say, oh, these guys are capitulating to these terror-filled people.
GUTFELD: You got to approve that.
WILLIAMS: Oh, that's true. You got a point.
GUILFOYLE: When Reagan did the deal, they already had the nukes.
WILLIAMS: Oh, stop.
BOLLING: One more layer. Speaking of trust, we've been talking about trust. Can we even trust President Obama and his minions? Here's Senior Adviser Ben Rhodes again caught in a little fib. Note the dates burned into the videos and the complete reversal on inspections.
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RHODES: Under this deal, you will have anywhere any time 24/7 access as it relates to the nuclear facilities that Iran has.
We never sought in this negotiation the capacity for so-called any time anywhere, where you could basically go anywhere in the country.
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BOLLING: K.G., I'm not -- we know we can't trust the Iranians. Not even sure we can trust our own negotiators.
GUILFOYLE: Oh no, obviously, we can't because they're not good at it. They're like the bottom of the class. That's who we sent in. It wasn't even the B-team, OK? It's like the zzz (ph) asleep at the wheel team. That's what happened here. They got all the money, they got what they want, they have a say when the inspections are gonna happen. What, in fact, gets inspected with respect to military sites, I don't understand -- where is anything good about this deal? Where?
WILLIAMS: Oh gee, American safety, my safety, my family's safety.
GUILFOYLE: No, no. no. We are less.
WILLIAMS: Your safety.
GUILFOYLE: We are less safe now.
WILLIAMS: Oh. No, we are not.
GUILFOYLE: We have just funded state sponsored terrorism by giving them the money back to operate and.
WILLIAMS: No, we have not.
WILLIAMS: Let me just tell you something.
WILLIAMS: Sometimes don't swallow all this republican nonsense. Just think for a second about the fact that we are safer people.
FRANCIS: It's not nonsense. It's math. It's math. It's not nonsense.
WILLIAMS: Go ahead, give me the math.
FRANCIS: We are going to send American companies, it's very simple.
FRANCIS: Right into Iran to set up shop. There are worth billions and billions of dollars in business right there that will funnel through the society, immediately goes to the government, collecting revenue.
FRANCIS: That they can then spend on state-sponsored terrorism.
GUILFOYLE: Happy meals in nukes.
FRANCIS: It's math.
GUILFOYLE: That's what happening.
FRANCIS: Very straightforward economic.
BOLLING: And which by the way, Ben Rhodes.
WILLIAMS: And we can't do anything.
BOLLING: Which by the way.
WILLIAMS: We can't stop them.
BOLLING: Ben Rhodes said in that first sound bite, expect more sponsored terror. Expect more terror out of it.
GUTFELD: President Obama fails to realize that foreign policy is not supposed to be predicated on hope. It's supposed to be predicated on mistrust. And nobody's feelings are hurt by that. Other countries get it. They go, I get it, you don't trust us, we don't trust you.
GUTFELD: That's an adult thing. And if you're Iran, planning on clandestine.
GUTFELD: Missions, which you are. You will favor snap-back sanctions over actual sanctions because if you're caught, then you have sanctions. But if you're not caught, you don't. It's actually preferable. That's why they won no matter what. They like snap-back. I don't even know what it is.
BOLLING: We got.
GUILFOYLE: Sounds tasty, though.
BOLLING: Coming up. Geraldo is gonna join us, live from Mexico on hunt for escaped drug lord El Chapo, and there's new video there shows the exact moment El Chapo, made his break from prison. See it coming, next.
GUTFELD: In the past month, the pope's railed against technology, progress and capitalism, a three-headed beast destroying the Earth and its poor.
It's sad watching this luddite leftist condemn capitalism, when it's lifted millions of people out of poverty, despair giving them home and dinner, which is better than any religious organization -- and I include Amway.
It wasn't the Vatican that invented technology and techniques that made food cheaper, breakthrough medicines available, lives more livable. That was commerce -- which the pope should love. After all, he does sell insurance. Yet he attacks air-conditioning which has eased the suffering of millions. He's still fine with using it to preserve Vatican art, of course, but it's your pious grandmother who can sweat.
So why hate progress? Well, human enterprise refutes the leftism the pope embraces. As commerce improves lives, the worse his political ideology looks. He'd rather have humans put our faith in him, as he claims our materialism ruins the planet and drives us to kill. And since our modern world now ignores the threat of God, the pope uses green lingo to condemn our commerce: If God can't stop you, think of the planet.
But the pope can only condemn innovation, as long as he ignores what it brings. Life spans have doubled. Food per capita has grown. Violence is on the wane. It just goes to show, the worst kind of holy man is one who's holier than thou.
All right, I know there's a couple of Catholics here.
GUILFOYLE: Somebody is going to hell.
FRANCIS: Yeah, that's right.
GUTFELD: If hell's a club, I'm there. K.G.
GUILFOYLE: What? -- It's not me.
GUTFELD: Defend the pope.
GUILFOYLE: It's not me.
GUTFELD: Defend the pope.
GUILFOYLE: Listen, I don't know why you're so upset about it. He's not -- (inaudible) running some country. These are his personal views. I'm totally fine.
GUTFELD: He condemned possibly the greatest movement in history, capitalism. And you're a capitalist.
GUILFOYLE: Well, I am a capitalist and I am definitely somebody who embraces, lovingly the free market. Let's be honest.
GUILFOYLE: However, last time I checked, he didn't amend the 10 commandments to say, thou shall not be any free market or capitalism.
GUTFELD: But he did the.
GUILFOYLE: But he's so amusing because he does live his life in accordance with these ideas and philosophies.
GUTFELD: Yeah, while he keeps the (inaudible). He keeps the Sistine Chapel air conditioned. While the little old ladies who send their money to that church have to live without air-conditioning. How hypocritical is that. By the way, Juan, this is the.
GUILFOYLE: I don't know. You're like grandma sweat obsession right now.
GUTFELD: I am -- well, air-conditioning is an amazing advancement and he's denigrating it. He also defended the Islamic killers or didn't defend it but said that the French Hebdo writers shouldn't have said what they said. Remember that?
WILLIAMS: I do remember that.
GUTFELD: This is the pope.
WILLIAMS: And he also said that he thinks that we need to do more about the environment. So I think, you know, if he was listening in to Greg Gutfeld's monologue today, he would have said, Dung of the Devil. That's what he would have said.
GUTFELD: I would take that as a compliment, Eric.
WILLIAMS: Well, there you go. There you go. But what is wrong -- I don't think this is no big thing for the Catholics.
WILLIAMS: I mean, the Catholics have been saying all along, we got to take care of the poor. You know, Greg.
GUTFELD: No, no, no, you know what you're --
GUILFOYLE: Are you Catholic?
GUTFELD: Covering this with a lie.
WILLIAMS: Oh, I get it.
GUTFELD: I don't remember John Paul II or any.
GUILFOYLE: But he was amazing. He was my favorite.
GUTFELD: They were talking about freedom. They didn't -- they weren't into communists.
WILLIAMS: Oh, they weren't into protecting the poor.
GUTFELD: You see what you're doing?
WILLIAMS: Oh, I know.
GUTFELD: Your argument is so bad, Juan.
WILLIAMS: I know.
GUTFELD: I'll move away from you. It's embarrassing you in front of your children.
WILLIAMS: Oh, it is embarrassment.
GUTFELD: Yes. They're watching at home and it goes like, what is my dad doing?
WILLIAMS: I don't.
GUILFOYLE: Eric, can you help?
BOLLING: We're out of time already.
GUILFOYLE: Can we find Geraldo and El Chapo.
GUTFELD: Nobody wants to criticize the pope.
WILLIAMS: No, no.
BOLLING: I won't criticize the pope. I'm a capitalist. I'm also a Catholic. I respect the pope, love the pope.
BOLLING: But I think he was speaking as a spiritual leader, not as a political leader.
GUILFOYLE: He's right.
BOLLING: And he was not -- he was pushing back against greed.
WILLIAMS: Thank you.
BOLLING: And wanting more things.
BOLLING: However -- OK, OK.
WILLIAMS: Even Eric.
GUTFELD: No, no, no, no. He condemned progress, technology, progress in innovation. He believes that the enlightenment was a mistake.
GUTFELD: If he had his way, we wouldn't have innovations that saved live.
FRANCIS: Wait. What you are missing here is that he is trying to say, if we all lived a good Catholic life and we were charitable and we share it, we wouldn't need capitalism.
FRANCIS: But we all know that's not true. It actually motivated by self- interest. So in the real world, you do need capitalism because we don't live the divine lifestyle. This is what he wants.
GUILFOYLE: He's more focused.
GUTFELD: You're all apologist.
GUILFOYLE: He's more focused on like, the beatitudes.
GUTFELD: You're all apologist.
GUILFOYLE: As the elements of the church and of the religion.
GUTFELD: All right.
BOLLING: I would agree with thing that.
GUILFOYLE: And mercy and taking care of the poor.
BOLLING: Capitalism has brought some of the most important advancements in the world in science and technology and innovation.
FRANCIS: But it's based on selfishness.
FRANCIS: He doesn't like selfishness.
GUTFELD: Oh, my God.
GUILFOYLE: You know what, Greg?
GUTFELD: And I mean that, God.
GUILFOYLE: Greg, you need.
GUTFELD: Did you just hear what she said?
FRANCIS: Yes, it's selfishness -- believe in God.
GUTFELD: Capitalism is -- no, no, no. Capitalism it's not based on selfishness.
FRANCIS: Yes, it is.
GUTFELD: It is based on --
FRANCIS: Self-interest. That is the bottom line of capitalism.
FRANCIS: Is that everybody operates in self-interest. That's the invisible hand.
GUTFELD: Capitalism is about.
GUILFOYLE: He's getting very.
GUTFELD: Providing for the people that you love.
FRANCIS: No, it's not.
GUTFELD: And that means going out and working.
FRANCIS: No, it's not.
GUTFELD: And solving things.
FRANCIS: No, no.
GUTFELD: You're talking about -- so you're saying.
FRANCIS: No, it's -- that you're motivated by self-interest. I have a degree in economics, I studied these things.
GUTFELD: Oh, goody (ph) for you.
FRANCIS: Loosen up. Loosen up.
GUTFELD: I took a class in religion.
FRANCIS: Because you're motivated by self-interest. That is what makes -- we know that they -- those human beings are motivated by self-interest. That's why capitalism works. That's how you allocate resources properly because we are all trying to get the most for ourselves. He disagrees.
GUTFELD: But that's also altruistic.
FRANCIS: It's the St. Paul (ph).
GUTFELD: That's also altruistic.
FRANCIS: It's not.
GUTFELD: No, it is.
FRANCIS: No, it's not.
GUTFELD: Because you are making a deal with somebody.
FRANCIS: There's mo altruism.
GUTFELD: You're making a deal with somebody.
FRANCIS: For money.
FRANCIS: For money.
GUTFELD: But it's altruism because you can't.
FRANCIS: For your own purpose.
GUTFELD: You can't do that if you're being selfish. You have to know that you have to give something.
FRANCIS: No. You're being totally selfish. You're trying to get something. You're giving the least.
GUTFELD: But you know you.
FRANCIS: That you possibly can.
GUTFELD: But you know it have to give to get.
FRANCIS: Not the futuristic.
GUTFELD: You have to give to get.
FRANCIS: The very least possible.
GUTFELD: The pope would rather have you nothing.
GUTFELD: And live in the woods.
GUILFOYLE: My God. No, he wouldn't. You know what your problem is?
GUILFOYLE: That you are so angry, right?
BOLLING: I want you to know. I want you to know.
GUTFELD: I'm having fun. I'm just having fun.
GUILFOYLE: You know what it is? You need to accept Jesus Christ into your heart as your savior.
BOLLING: I light.
GUILFOYLE: You'd be much happier. Am I right?
BOLLING: Five candles every single day for The Five and for the audience. Gregory, I'm gonna light six (inaudible).
BOLLING: For you, tomorrow morning.
WILLIAMS: Yeah, you got to learn something about greed.
GUTFELD: I'm gonna light something, can I -- it ain't gonna be a candle.
WILLIAMS: You just learn something about the difference between self- interest and greed. And then I think you need a laxative.
GUTFELD: Yeah, but the thing is.
GUILFOYLE: Did you say a laxative?
WILLIAMS: Yeah, just clean him out.
GUTFELD: You just told capital (ph) -- greedy.
WILLIAMS: Dung of the Devil. This guy is still a Dung of the Devil.
GUTFELD: I don't even know what that means.
GUTFELD: All right.
GUILFOYLE: Somebody find Geraldo, please.
GUTFELD: Geraldo, where is Geraldo?
GUILFOYLE: Where is he?
FRANCIS: I don't know. Where in the world is Geraldo?
GUILFOYLE: We got to go to the segment.
GUTFELD: We got to move on. Still to come, Geraldo Rivera -- you know him, is in Mexico on the El Chapo manhunt.
GUILFOYLE: We're looking for Geraldo too, actually.
FRANCIS: It was supposed to be a global shopping spectacular in celebration of its 28th birthday. Amazon is holding a one-day sale today, called prime day, available only to prime members who pay an annual fee. The online retailer said it was going to be bigger than Black Friday. But some customers are calling the discounts disappointing and more like yard sale finds. Kimberly Guilfoyle.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. This was terrible. I was looking for all kinds of amazing things, diamonds, cars.
GUILFOYLE: Xbox One. Nothing was cheaper.
FRANCIS: No, nothing.
FRANCIS: I mean I went on there I could not possibly be any more disappointed.
GUILFOYLE: But what is -- oh, then the website kind of crashed. It was like it had this thing that went, oops, sorry. Sorry, we're trying to connect and make it happen. So I don't know what's going on with this. But I love you Amazon. I love the Amazon Prime and it's good for, you know vitamin and things.
FRANCIS: I love the Amazon Prime, along with you. I think nothing is too small to Prime when the shipping is free. I'll get them to bring over a pack of gum. They have a new thing in New York where they bring it to you in an hour, but there's was nothing that was cheaper in here today. Eric Bolling did you.
BOLLING: Melissa, I didn't but I got an e-mail from someone on the business network who said 1200, $999 TVs sold out in the first ten minutes. 40,000 "Lord of the Ring" Blu-Rays were sold by midday today.
They're going to have some big problems. It's going to be a huge colossal success.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Well, I didn't know about the TV.
BOLLING: But the other thing is what it did though --
FRANCIS: I don't think it would have been up to if it's not for you.
GUILFOYLE: No, probably not.
BOLLING: You have to understand what Amazon Prime really is. If you don't know what it is, it's an amazing service. They will deliver next day, anything the next day likely.
I got a delivery on Fourth of July. I ordered on the 3rd of July in the afternoon, it came Fourth of July.
GUILFOYLE: I got a Sunday delivery. Sunday, Sunday.
FRANCIS: You get same day delivery as well.
Another fun fact, 28,000 Rubbermaid sets were sold today. Were those all to you or -- Greg, are you a big Rubbermaid fan?
GUTFELD: Well, in my house, Rubbermaid would mean something completely different. So this didn't go very well. This whole abandon go very well.
GUTFELD: Not very well. You know who really likes that? The pope. The pope is happy.
GUILFOYLE: I knew it.
GUTFELD: Look, this is an interesting thing.
GUILFOYLE: Let it go.
GUTFELD: Two points. Amazon revolutionized society. It's created us into two segments, those who receive and those who deliver.
Everybody is either getting something in the mail or somebody is driving up and dropping it off. It's like two sides --
GUILFOYLE: Well, what's wrong with that?
GUTFELD: I'm not saying anything is wrong, Kimberly. Please hold yourself.
GUILFOYLE: He's converting.
GUTFELD: The next thing, they should combine drinking with online shopping, because that's fun.
GUILFOYLE: I already do.
GUTFELD: Because I remember when I would be flying in a plane and I'd have a few drinks. Two weeks later, I'd always get a gargoyle show up from Skymall.
GUTFELD: And I didn't remember ordering a garden gargoyle. And it was because I was doing it while I was, you know, in the air. Fun. Thought that was important.
FRANCIS: I like that contribution. They sold 10,000 fire sticks. Do you have a fire stick wand? Do you know what a fire stick is?
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: No.
FRANCIS: No, yeah, did you go on Amazon Prime? Do you shop online? Are you a big shop online guy?
WILLIAMS: No, I'm not a big shop guy, but my wife is a big shop girl. And she's an Amazon Prime member. So I don't think the world is divided into those who drive up and deliver and those who get. I think it's divided up into those who earn the money and those who spend the money. That's what I think. But anyway --
WILLIAMS: Sexist pig that I am.
IWILLIAMS: But I will say this. That I think it's brilliant market. Brilliant, because it's all about Amazon Prime, which is they get people like Gregory and others, and Kimberly, especially.
FRANCIS: And me.
WILLIAMS: And you to shop more than ever. And what they had found was that Amazon Prime had stop. People weren't renewing their membership. In fact, Greg was telling us that his membership may have lapsed because he didn't renew it.
GUTFELD: Yes, I have so many things that I've signed up for.
WILLIAMS: Right. So they wanted everybody to now, not only increase awareness of it, but get back because members of Amazon Prime not only shopped twice as much, they buy twice as much. So guess what, I bet even if they didn't sell a whole lot today, they got a whole lot of new members.
BOLLING: I'm sure they did. And you know what else they did. They made Walmart come out with their own shopping deal. So Wal-Mart has like -- they're going to put something like 2,000 deals --
GUILFOYLE: But guess what, because it's competition in the free market. So it is good. It stimulates the economy. It's more robust. Purchasing power. All of the above.
WILLIAMS: It's a sucker's game.
FRANCIS: Why? Why are you hating on it?
WILLIAMS: I'm not hating on it. I just told you, it's a sucker's game because all it was is marketing. And you guys think that you're going to get great deals. And in fact, when you went on, you said I didn't see --
GUILFOYLE: I was looking for things that they are never going to give a deal on, let's be honest, like Xbox or Minecraft, yeah, whatever.
WILLIAMS: OK, So that's why it's a sucker's deal.
FRANCIS: It was just a big prime, but I'm still offended by your comment about the earners and the spenders. I'm the cheap acquisition officer in my house. I bring everything in. I also bring home a paycheck, my friend, so I don't know about that.
WILLIAMS: Your husband -- he's not the chief acquisition officer.
FRANCIS: No. Acquisition --
WILLIAMS: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
FRANCIS: He's not the guy that goes out there and buys everything for the house. That's on my shoulders, but I'm still here earning a paycheck so I'm both a buyer and an earner, my friend.
GUILFOYLE: And I'm both in one body.
GUTFELD: The winner in all of this is the shut-in.
WILLIAMS: The shut-in.
GUTFELD: The shut-in.
FRANCIS: All right. We're going to leave it right there. I was sure he was going to go back to the pope. Thank goodness, he didn't do that.
Coming up, how the government plans to guilt Americans out of eating foods with lots of calories like pepperoni pizza. We're going to eat that next right here.
GUILFOYLE: That's my favorite pizza.
[17:38:50] WILLIAMS: The government wants to make sure you're not eating too much. As part of Obamacare, it's going to mandate chain restaurants post calorie counts for all menu items.
FDA now said it's going to delay that requirement for another year to give eateries more time to comply with the rules.
Now, a lot of pizza chains are not happy about this regulation. And they're going to take a lot of heat for those extra toppings when it comes to calorie counts.
So, Melissa, does it make a difference to your family if you go in and see this pizza and know how many calories are in.
FRANCIS: Yes. You know, I got to say so I do love the calorie posting because I'm always surprised by what actually has more calories and what has less. It's not the thing you think. That's why I like it.
The problem with this is that it's going to cost like a billion dollars for all the different stores to do this. They went out and calculated it. And you know who's going to pay for that, me, you, you. They're just going to slap it on to the price of everything.
So you've got to realize that, you know, what is it, really -- why is Kimberly the only one that has pizza? Can I have one?
WILLIAMS: Yes. Yes.
GUILFOYLE: You got to dig in in life. God helps those who help themselves.
FRANCIS: Thank you.
GUTFELD: It's a selfish idea.
FRANCIS: I'm going to put this right here. You want one?
GUTFELD: Thank you.
WILLIAMS: Let me tell you. The other day she was eating doughnuts. And today, she was eating pizza. I just hope that she's not like a cannibal because I have to worry. But anyway, go ahead.
GUILFOYLE: Don't worry, I'm not going to eat you.
WILLIAMS: That's what I'm worried about.
FRANCIS: That you're going to end up paying for this. So, you know, the government's mandating it. The stores are complaining about it. They're going to pass it on to you. It's kind of crazy.
WILLIAMS: Do you think that's a crazy argument. I mean, we pay for food safety, you know. I mean, the idea -- you know what costs money here is putting up the sign that says how many calories are in it.
WILLIAMS: You know, because in New York City, this has been the law. And that's the biggest thing.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. But like, for example, this is a piece of pepperoni pizza. It doesn't look like it anymore does it, because there's no pepperoni here. And I didn't like prematurely pull it off. So I would like that pizza that we have on the back screen there that is loaded with pepperoni.
I count on employee error that they are going to over serve me the pepperoni slices versus counting them and labeling it which is exhausting and then your pizza is not going to get there in 30 minutes.
FRANCIS: Well, and then also, you can sue, right? I mean, isn't that one of the things that people are afraid of here with this law is that when you get -- they can't measure it precisely, so someone is going to go in and say that the sign is wrong, that the way they did the toppings and, you know -- they're huge and fat as a result.
WILLIAMS: So, Gregory, guess what, the National Restaurant Association says, yes, they like this.
GUTFELD: Well, you know, it's not about the calories, it's always about the type of calories, so this is all baloney. The government has been wrong on nutrition for so long. Remember trans fats?
GUTFELD: They've never been right on anything. People do this because they feel that they have to do it. They're scared. And so they just buckle under like you guys did with the Pope.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, but you know what, you drink your calories.
GUTFELD: No, they're not bad for you.
BOLLING: But cancer, carcinogens --
WILLIAMS: No, not right. Clog your heart. Clog your heart, man.
BOLLING: No, but they were also carcinogens at one point.
GUTFELD: Because they're trans, they're bad.
WILLIAMS: Greg is right about the government on salt, for example. Just recently they came out and said, you know, salt isn't all that bad.
GUTFELD: If it's saturated fat or trans fats.
GUILFOYLE: I don't want to eat all my crust.
GUTFELD: One of them is now debunked at.
WILLIAMS: Yes. I'm not sure.
GUTFELD: Or fat's domino.
BOLLING: Is alcohol good for you yet.
GUTFELD: Alcohol is awesome for you.
GUILFOYLE: Liquid calories.
GUTFELD: Red wine is -- red wine -- don't eat grapes. You don't need grapes. Just drink the wine.
BOLLING: I'm a firm believer of that alcohol in moderation is actually healthy for you.
GUTFELD: And in excess.
BOLLING: In moderation. You know what the problem with is, is the Obamacare mandated it.
WILLIAMS: Here we go.
BOLLING: I also like -- Melissa, I like the calorie counts. In New York City, if you go to a restaurant there --
GUILFOYLE: You worked Obama in --
WILLIAMS: I'm telling you, it doesn't matter. You know what I think, I think Obama is working at Domino's now. That's what Eric is going to tell me in a minute.
BOLLING: Yes, but it's another built-in cost of Obamacare. Do we count the billion dollars a year it's going to cost pizza places with calorie counts on it?
WILLIAMS: And because you really don't care.
BOLLING: It's money. It's money.
WILLIAMS: Even though Melissa said she is interested for her family knowing how many calories.
BOLLING: I am, too. But I would like Domino's or whoever this fresh, hot pizza comes from, would like to place voluntarily, this is our calorie count, and then the other pizza chains will play.
GUILFOYLE: Where is this from?
FRANCIS: Yes. And that can be competition and then I would go to that place because they have it posted.
I would like to point out that Eric is not eating any pizza. And we sit near each other upstairs. And whenever we order pizza --
GUILFOYLE: He doesn't eat meat.
FRANCIS: No, he doesn't eat anything. He doesn't eat anything.
GUILFOYLE: You can pass to me your pepperoni.
Let me tell you if Obama worked at Domino's, he'd redistribute my pizza and give it to the neighbors.
WILLIAMS: That's probably right. Let me ask you, is that your favorite pizza?
GUILFOYLE: By far, it's pepperoni pizza.
WILLIAMS: No, no, no. The brand.
GUILFOYLE: I do love it. I also love the Good Value because you can get two mediums for 20 bucks.
GUTFELD: What's the best part about Dominos? The tracker app. The tracker app. You can sit and watch the status of your delivery. The moment they put the pie in the oven to when it's coming to your apartment. It's great. It's like I wish they had that for everything. If you could have a tracker for everything you were waiting for.
FRANCIS: It would be so amazing.
WILLIAMS: You know the problem with Domino's is, they won't put anchovies on the pizza.
GUTFELD: Anchovies are disgusting.
GUILFOYLE: Why don't you just add your own? Like pop it on.
WILLIAMS: I could. I could. But, you know, I like Papa John's. Although he is a crazy right winger, I order his pizzas, but he won't put anchovies.
GUILFOYLE: I like that pizza, too. I like Ray's Pizza in New York, as well.
GUTFELD: Do you tip well?
GUILFOYLE: For sure.
BOLLING: You got to tip the pizza guy.
GUILFOYLE: For sure.
WILLIAMS: I'm told that there is an artichoke pizza that is just delicious in New York.
GUILFOYLE: And by the way, if you call Domino's, I got the coupon, you know that coupon for the special. And they're like, oh, wait, which one, the blah, blah?
Yes, exactly. That one. And then you can get the two medium pizzas for $20. You can get like two liters of Coca-Cola.
GUTFELD: If I'm in charge, we wouldn't be happy to deliver it because that would require gasoline and that would require a car.
WILLIAMS: You are trying to get us all convince --
GUTFELD: The peasant carrying the pizza over a mountain.
WILLIAMS: You are on a fast track to -- all right, the massive manhunt for Mexico's most wanted drug lord, coming up next. Don't miss this.
[19:48:58] GUILFOYLE: Well, we've told you about drug lord El Chapo's great escape from prison. Now we're going to show it to you. Mexico has released the surveillance cam video that shows Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman pacing around his cell and sitting on his bed before walking over to the shower area, bending down and vanishing -- oh, we found Geraldo. Amazing.
He then made his way through a mile-long ventilated tunnel into an unfinished house in Almoloya de Juarez to freedom.
And now Geraldo Rivera.
Geraldo, can you hear us?
GERALDO RIVERA, CO-HOST: Hi, Kimberly. It's been a miserable day here in Mexico. The weather matching the national mood. They are traumatized by this brazen and extraordinary escape from this prison. This truck is now blocking -- walk over here.
This is the super max in Mexico. And El Chapo, the most wanted man in Mexico, the man who was a fugitive from a prior escape managed, and I was at the house, where he exited to dig a tunnel a mile long. Imagine that, a mile long tunnel.
[19:50:00] And to think as the opposition legislator came up to me and said, to think that they didn't know this was going on, much higher up the food chain than the three people they've already fired is absolutely preposterous.
They estimate there was 2000 tons of dirt moved to create that tunnel that El Chapo used to escape. Now in fairness, they are -- you see the pipes? There is a huge infrastructure, freshwater project going on so the authorities are suggesting that they got rid of the dirt, the criminals got rid of the dirt under the guise that it was part of this big infrastructure project. I personally don't buy it.
I think that what happened here with El Chapo is something that, you know, four guys working for a solid year ten hours a day is what they estimate, Kimberly, it would have taken for them to dig the tunnel. This extraordinary tunnel, one mile long, three stories deep that exits in a house that I visited just on the other side of this big maximum security prison, Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Wow. I mean, obviously, a tremendous undertaking. It shows the amount of planning and premeditation that went into making this, pretty remarkable escaped possible. And, again, it shows the point that people were involved, were complicit and knew about it and perhaps, you know, looked the other way. So far only three people let go, but, you know, maybe more.
Juan, you do you have a question?
WILLIAMS: Sure, so you started out by saying that Mexicans are pretty depressed today and I think the president must be especially depressed. So where is the manhunt stand now?
RIVERA: You know, let me deal with the president's depression then I'll talk about the manhunt if I may, Juan.
Pea Nieto, the president, came into office saying that he was going to straighten out Mexico and bring Mexico back up to modern standards in terms of how they ran the government. He has managed to accomplish very little, though.
The drug cartels rule. Violence has been endemic in Mexico. His big achievement was the capture of El Chapo a year ago with tremendous help from U.S. Intelligence.
Now, El Chapo is gone. The president of Mexico was on a state visit in France at the time the fugitive escaped from the big house, the super max behind me. So he not only lost his prize, he was also out of the country. And this is a country, Juan, that you know has suffered grievously.
He had the 43 teachers massacred a year ago. There were protests about that today in Mexico City a couple of months ago. You had more than 13, 14, 15 security guards killed by drug traffickers. This is a country in chaos.
The -- you know, you cannot expect them more to the point, from the American point of view to guard the -- their northern border, our southern border. They can't even run their own prison, Juan.
GUILFOYLE: Unbelievable. Well, Geraldo, we're glad we were able to get you. And I hope now you can just find El Chapo. That would really make it.
BOLLING: Sensational reporting, Geraldo. Great job.
GUILFOYLE: All right, and more on "Hannity." So don't miss that tonight.
All right, thanks. "One More Thing" is next.
[19:57:00] BOLLING: All right. Time for a very quick "One More Thing."
I'm going to go first. Check out Midlothian, Texas at an Exxon gas station, where a bad guy comes in with a hood. He tries to push aside -- with a knife, he tries to push aside the marine and off-duty fire fighter. And watch what happens. The next is beautiful. There he goes. He's inbound. That's Daniel Gaskey, a marine and off-duty fire fighter. You don't want to mess with those, guys.
OK, Juan, you are up.
WILLIAMS: Well, Lebron James was on the "Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon" last night. He is promoting his new movie with Amy Schumer "Train Wreck." Anyway, weeks after the best basketball player in the world lost the NBA finals, he revealed who his toughest critics are.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
LEBRON JAMES, NBA PLAYER: Kids are very, very blunt. There is no sugar coating with kids. If you go out and you don't perform well, when you get home, daddy, why did you lose? Why didn't you play well tonight? It's your fault you lost.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
FRANCIS: Oh my gosh, that's so funny.
WILLIAMS: Do I know this?
GUTFELD: Getting his butt kicked by a child.
GUTFELD: It's time to play "What the Heck is That?"
Now everybody at the table, I want you to take a look at this thing. It's very unusual. It's me. It is not the pope. It is an unusual animal with an enormous bill. It looks kind of prehistoric. It lives in swamps and marshes. It's breathing, Kimberly, coincides with the dry weather.
What is it?
GUILFOYLE: A duck?
GUTFELD: No. Juan?
WILLIAMS: I have no idea.
GUTFELD: A toucan family.
FRANCIS: El Chapo, inside.
GUTFELD: Sadly, Andy Dick. It's a shoebill.
GUILFOYLE: Why is it blue?
All right. Well, I've got a bit of "One More Thing" extravaganza for you, because I'm trying out a brand-new thing for my "One More Thing," which is you can have a chat with me. I'm going to answer your question. Please try on that. So #MakingTheCase on Twitter, on Facebook. I'm going to try this out and I'm going to answer your questions. So send me some --
GUTFELD: What kind of questions?
GUILFOYLE: Well, you are actually excluded from participation. Any kind of life and advice questions you might have. How can you better make the case for yourself, personally or professionally? Why do you like -- nothing about any skin issues.
BOLLING: All righty. Melissa, you are up.
FRANCIS: All right. We have a new addition in my household, brand-new baby girl, Gemma. We've got some pictures right there. There is my son with her. She was born on the Dalai Lama's birthday. And she is a very Zen baby. You can see her there with my older son so I just want to show that with everyone.
GUILFOYLE: Oh cute.
FRANCIS: Isn't she cute? A whopping 9.5 pounds. She eats quite a bit. Yes.
BOLLING: And she sleeps?
FRANCIS: She does. She sleeps. She's a magic baby. Totally unlike my other child --
GUTFELD: Well, that's nice.
FRANCIS: She's a sleeper. She's quite.
GUTFELD: She's better than your other kids. Your other kids are failures?
FRANCIS: No, I didn't say that. I didn't say that.
BOLLING: Terrible. Such a Catholic.
BOLLING: (INAUDIBLE) that's it for us. "Special Report" next.
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