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New video shows accused terrorist praising ISIS

This is a rush transcript from "Your World," July 15, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you feel about the group that calls themselves ISIS or ISIL? Are they doing a good thing?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Yes, they are. They're doing a good thing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What's good?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're implementing the Sharia, and they're freeing people from oppression. Wherever they go, they're changing things.

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STUART VARNEY, GUEST HOST: Chilling new video of an accused terrorist in Massachusetts praising ISIS.

And listen to his response when asked about innocent people killed by notorious terrorist Jihadi John.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The people that you -- people that you see being executed are criminals. They're criminals. They're the lowest of the low.

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VARNEY: To former CIA intelligence officer Joshua Katz, who says this is exactly what ISIS wants to do, get inside the heads of young people and get them to believe.

Joshua, I'm astonished by that. How did it come to this? I believe that young man is the son of a police officer?

JOSHUA KATZ, MANAGING PARTNER, THE ENRIGHT GROUP: He absolutely is.

And the police officer two years ago identified the fact that his son was heading down the path of Islamic radicalization. And the radicalization here is a long process. And it's -- people want to make this more complicated than it really is. But, really, we can stop -- and let me say that again. We can stop radicalization in the United States. We can stop instances like this.

But we need the right strategy, and, right now, we don't have any strategy.

VARNEY: OK, well, you tell me, how do we stop it?

KATZ: It starts with identification.

So, the father, who is I believe the police chief in Boston, identified this two years ago. So two years we have had to intervene with this young man and to stop the process from continuing. The United States does this around the world. We have deradicalization programs, South America, the Middle East. We have the tools and the people that are experts here to stop the process and to reintegrate these people back into American society.

VARNEY: For, what, 13, 14 years now we have been understanding or trying to understand the mass terror, well-organized attack using lots of different people, like 9/11, for example. That was then. This is now.

This is a new form of terrorism. Is this the terrorism of the future?

KATZ: This is the new normal, unfortunately, when it comes to terrorism.  It's a lot harder to identify.

These -- the terrorists, especially ISIS, they have done a great job of using the media to help further radicalization in the West. They're identifying and -- people that have sort of a -- feel outside of the cultural norm, outside of our culture, and trying to get them to join ISIS, but to join ISIS not in a physical sense necessarily, but in a mental sense.

And what they're doing now is they're sending these radicalized Americans, radicalized Westerners off to do operations without necessarily having them trained or providing them direct orders. And it's very, very different than what we saw on 9 -- than on 9/11.

VARNEY: Why do you think the government released that particular tape at this time?

KATZ: I think that the government right now is struggling. They're struggling to try to figure out how best to handle a problem that is growing rapidly out of their control.

The FBI has -- they're coming to this game very, very late. And they don't have a cohesive strategy that's going to bring together the FBI, DHS and other organizations. And I think, ultimately, they're struggling to understand the fact that this starts with American families.

We, as parents, need to identify the issues that are going on with our children. And we need to intervene. ISIS is going after our kids. Let's make no mistake. ISIS is targeting our children.

VARNEY: Joshua, I called it a shocking tape, and I do believe it is.

KATZ: Absolutely.

VARNEY: Joshua Katz, thanks for joining us, sir. Appreciate it.

KATZ: Thanks, Stuart.

VARNEY: OK.

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