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Has Chris Christie's time passed?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," June 30, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. Its five o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

It's June 30th, announcement day for another GOP presidential contender, number 14, Chris Christie.

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CHRIS CHRISTIE, NEW JERSEY GOVERNOR: Today, I am proud to announce my candidacy for the republican nomination for president of the United States of America.

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CHRISTIE: I mean what I say and I say what I mean, and that's what America needs right now.

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GUILFOYLE: The New Jersey governor placed both blame on both parties earlier for the dysfunction in Washington and declared the country will need strong leadership to fix it.

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CHRISTIE: Americans are not angry. Americans are filled with anxiety. They're filled with anxiety because they look to Washington, D.C. We have a president in the oval office who ignores the Congress and the Congress that ignores the president. Both parties have failed our country. Both parties have stood in the corner and held their breath and waited to get their own way. Both parties have led us to believe that in America, a country that was built on compromise that somehow now compromises the dirty word. If Washington and Adams and Jefferson believed compromise was a dirty word, we'd still be under the crown of England.

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GUILFOYLE: Christie also took swipes at President Obama and warned Americans not to elect his former secretary of state.

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CHRISTIE: I heard the president of the United States say the other day that the world respects America more because of his leadership. This convinces me. This convinces me, it is the final confirmation that President Obama lives in his own world, not in our world and the fact is this. After seven years of a weak and feckless foreign policy run by Barack Obama, we better not turn it over to his second mate Hillary Clinton.

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(END VIDEO CLIP) GUILFOYLE: The latest Fox News poll has Christie at 2 percent alongside the other GOP hopefuls. Is he going to be able to convince republican voters, he should be their next president? That is the question today on the big announcement from Fox. Go around the table.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I thought it was pretty powerful. He can yap. Let's face it. He's a good talker. He can talk Michael Moore off an ice cream truck. He's probably the most persuasive, maybe outside of Rubio on his feet without a teleprompter. I was -- the thing that bugs me about these announcements is I always think about the kids when they're up on the stage. It's like when you have little kids, it's great when you have little babies and when you have adults, it's great. But when they're teenagers they always look like they want to be somewhere else. They're just like I got to put on this suit. I got to hang out there. The bigger issue here is that there are 14 candidates now. The democrats have a preordained one candidate, no matter what they say. That helps her stature because it's a snow job and the seven dwarfs. That's the way it looks. The RNC has to get in front of this group soon and start whittling down because the dems get behind somebody and win. And right now, we've got a massive bus of people. You know, just -- there's no order and where's the Republican Party? They've got to do something.

GUILFOYLE: They're all on the same bus. But I thought this was a powerful, persuasive speech. I've had the opportunity to see him speak in small numbers, smaller, more intimate groups and then now you saw him be able to address the country there. He certainly has a commanding presence and I think some of this, he was very good on his feet because he's a former prosecutor, like myself. So you've had that kind of training, the trenches and the battle. He is very certain about his answers and his positions on things as they, you know, stand today. Eric, what was your thought?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: OK. So I think I have a unique perspective of Chris Christie because he's been my governor. I've been lived in the state for 15 years.

GUILFOYLE: You really like him.

BOLLING: A couple of the pros, as Greg points out. That was all off the cuff, there's no teleprompter in that speech. He delivers it and he does deliver a great speech. It's very upbeat. You feel good when you listen to him. He's had, as he points out, he's had six balanced budget which is no feet -- no small feat in New Jersey. And finally he's the first candidate. I think since of all these 14 now that have come out and spoken. He spoke - - has brought up some substantive issues. He talked about entitlement reform already. He talked about raising the retirement age. He's talked about budgets. He's talked about some of the things that really we need to do to fix America. On the negative side, he points out don't -- you don't want more President Obama. Well, President Obama may have evolved on gay marriage, but Chris Christie certainly evolved on President Obama. That -- there will never ever, ever be a moment that I don't remember Obama and Christie walking arm in arm along the shores of the Jersey shore in the aftermath of hurricane sandy. That's going to live on forever.

GUILFOYLE: Do you think that bothers the GOP more than (inaudible)?

BOLLING: Well, I think that, but if you come from New Jersey, what really bothers you is he claims that he hasn't raised taxes. He has. He's raised taxes probably 25 percent in the last five or six years. And not as much as his predecessors, he still has raised taxes and the ratings downgrades. The state has been downgraded nine times under Chris Christie. These aren't good economic results. He can talk a big game. Sometimes the results don't exactly line up with what he's saying is actually happening. And then the one thing --

GUILFOYLE: But then a tough economy is there's somebody else that you think has done much better on the economy?

BOLLING: You mean at the state level?

GUILFOYLE: Uh-hmm.

BOLLING: I mean, if you want to do straight. Look, I'm not pinpointing Chris Christie completely. I think -- you look at Rick Perry, what he has done in Texas. He's created more jobs than any other governor. If that's what you're going straight on is economy, Rick Perry would be the one. Chris Christie again, he took the shots at libertarians. I think that was foolish. He's taken shots at other candidates. I think that's foolish. But he's a great talker, great talker.

GUILFOYLE: But he's also somebody who is not afraid, Dana, to stand up for the principles for what he believes in. He'll face anybody down. I don't think he goes to bed at night and sweats things. I think he's like, listen, I got this, I can handle it. There is definitely a craving, a thirst, a need in the country for strong, decisive leadership. Commanding presence that will be respected internationally that you know this is not somebody you're going to push around.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: The speech he gave today that a lot of people seemed to like is the speech that a lot of republicans expected him to give at the convention in 2012 for Mitt Romney. And that was --remember that speech actually.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

PERINO: Was actually kind of deflating and people thought who was that? That wasn't the Chris Christie that we thought it was going to be and there was. I don't really actually know what happened. You hear rumors that there were like there was some unhappiness there. Whatever it was, or maybe he didn't want to overshadow Romney which as a speaker he might have done. I like when he talked about anxiety because I think that lines up with what people are actually feeling. I have a bit of a quibble with the staging, OK? So you're going to give a speech like that and you're that good, your big applause lines should be when you are facing the camera.

GUILFOYLE: I agree.

PERINO: OK. It's like a small technical thing, but these are -- that if you were running against 13 other people, possibly 15 or 16 by the time the debate rolls around, then you -- every little bit of that matters. His debate or his announcement video that he put out was widely praised.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

PERINO: I've been -- I don't think this was as well produced as it could have been. On the point about the governorship, he will have to -- if he does make the debate stage or even in other forums he is going to have to defend his record. I think what he might say as a republican governor in the northern -- in New England imagine what he could have done with a republican legislature in a state like Texas, which had already been well managed for many years.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

PERINO: But that's a harder case to make when you have black and white numbers like what Eric, was talking about.

GUILFOYLE: Right. But that is a good point. And so, but he's definitely been steadfast to go up against the unions, not back down on the things that he believes in, but it's definitely a much more difficult people, foes for him to go against when he's dealing with the New Jersey state legislature. That is not an easy situation or easy play by any stretch. Juan Williams, welcome.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, thanks. Well, I just think his times passed. I mean, I just think this is -- he should have run in '12. I don't know that he would have beat Obama, but that's when the Republican Party had a buzz for Chris Christie. By the wow, look at this governor in New Jersey, a republican who has won in the northeast and won twice and brought energy and speaks directly and democrats are willing to go with him against the unions and all that. That's when there was energy around Chris Christie. So now you see him doing things. One of them hurts my heart. He's flip-flopped on Common Core. Terrible, terrible the base doesn't like it.

GUILFOYLE: Sure.

WILLIAMS: I'm not going to do it. He's a guy, though, you know, and this is a thing I think after watching him today, who doesn't say things that appeal to some of the people he needs to vote for him in this primary. He doesn't say -- he says global warming is real, for example. He's a guy.

PERINO: Well, a lot of candidates say that.

WILLIAMS: Well, he says, no to building more walls on the borders for the immigrants. I think this is very interesting. And then he talks about you've got to have compromise. You go back to the founding fathers. You know you got everybody had to compromise. And I think there's part of the base, and I was surprised you didn't say this, that says no, we don't want to compromise with those dastardly democrats.

BOLLING: There were a lot of things. And again, yes, he speaks not just the second amendment, he's been fairly tough on and he hasn't been.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

BOLLING: Very pro marijuana, which -- look, going forward I think it's something.

GUILFOYLE: That's going to could be background as a prosecutor. I'm not either, I can understand that.

BOLLING: Why wouldn't he run in 2012, even if he wasn't going to win? I -- personally, Dana, wouldn't it be setting him up for a much stronger 2016 candidacy?

PERINO: I really -- I don't know what his thinking was. And I was --well, I think because he is going to run for re-elections in New Jersey and done that handily. I don't know why he didn't run.

GUTFELD: I'll tell you the key difference between what you saw and Barack Obama. You saw a guy that sounds real, OK. He stressed unity which is a contrast to HRC who's talking division, gender inequality. He stressed unity. We've talked about this on the show forever about the idea that it's about America coming together and let's stop beating each other up. He also talked about the American's strength, which again is a contrast to the foreign policy weakness of the secretary of state. And he also rejects the idea of being popular. And this is something that we also talk about every single day. We are tired of appeasement. We're tired of hat in hand bowing to countries.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

GUTFELD: That isn't worth it.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

GUTFELD: And I think that -- those are bigger ticket -- if you're looking for a visionary, that's a vision.

GUILFOYLE: OK, all right. Let's talk about taxes, shall we, to this for everybody out now? So Jeb Bush, 33 years, he's going for the big record here of releasing his tax returns, saying, "I'm not just talking about transparency, I am living it. I am showing you I have nothing to hide here." So now he's got like the record for this, right, Dana?

PERINO: Remember the 2012 election, even Harry Reid goes onto the floor of the United States Senate and says, "Mitt Romney didn't pay any taxes."

GUILFOYLE: Right.

PERINO: Doesn't have any proof about it. In fact, he admits later on. In fact, this year that he was lying about that and he did so for political purposes. Jeb Bush doesn't want to get caught up in that and I don't know whether his decision to release 33 years will cause other candidates to maybe, feel like they need to do the same. I don't know if that's even necessary, 33 years seems to me like excessive.

GUTFELD: Why not 43 years? That is not enough for me.

GUILFOYLE: The best thing is this putting pressure on Hillary Clinton to say, you know besides hiding everything in her house over there, tax returns, servers, e-mails, whatever. Show it. Put it on the table, 33 years, that's really pushing it to her saying, listen, what have you got?

PERINO: that's a lot.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

BOLLING: And if you go through, you see the numbers. The numbers go from literally years where he lost money, had no income. Actually, had a negative -- a deficit to the last few years after he left the governorship is where he really made a lot of money. He did very well afterwards in private business. Now is that good or bad? There are some that would say hey, that's great. That shows a businessman can go out there and make a lot of money. Others will say if you dig deep into some of those releases. You see, he made a lot of money with some health care companies, with some Wall Street firms, which in certain areas, certain circles. It's going to be hard to take a shot at Hillary Clinton for making money on Wall Street.

WILLIAMS: That's a good point.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

BOLLING: If Jeb Bush was.

WILLIAMS: Wait, he's getting like a million a year from one of them. And I said.

BOLLING: $3 million from tenant and I think $1 million from Barclay.

WILLIAMS: Yes. It's just, I mean, though, these are big companies. But the thing is so I admire the fact that he released the tax reform policy because I think it opens the door to that kind of scrutiny. And I think that scrutiny is all politicians, especially running for president should have that scrutiny. I will say this, though that if Jeb falters right now, Chris Christie would have some hope. He would inherit some of that.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: Establishment republican mantle. Scott Walker is in that fight, John Kasich who has yet to announce.

BOLLING: Rubio.

WILLIAMS: I don't know about Rubio.

BOLLING: Money. Hey, by the way, today is the last day of the quarter, right? So this NBC file its how much you raised in the first six months of the year. Jeb, looking at $100 million, that's pretty substantial. He's got a lot of backing.

GUILFOYLE: I love it. Show me the money. OK, go ahead, Greg.

GUTFELD: What?

GUILFOYLE: What can you Offer?

GUTFELD: About the taxing -- tax returns?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

GUTFELD: It's -- I don't know. Well, guess it's good. But I don't -- I never see a problem with anybody making money and I will always be consistent on that. If you're making money, that's great.

GUILFOYLE: All right, I want to do a couple quick seconds. I love Joe Biden. Lots of discussions that his close advisers, friends, family, even his son that just passed away was encouraging his father one more run for the White House in 2016, quick thoughts, Dana?

PERINO: Yeah, I actually spoke to somebody -- someone in the know in that world and I said, "If Joe Biden was to make a decision tomorrow, how quickly could he get an operation up and running. And they said it's actually pretty easy to do, that they would be able to turn it on quickly.

GUILFOYLE: OK, Bolling?

BOLLING: 40 percent favorability rating. That's fantastic. I don't know why that wouldn't be an indication for Joe to jump in also a big one. Bo Biden, his son who passed.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

BOLLING: Wanted him to run.

GUILFOYLE: Right. That was what I'm saying. He really wanted him to do that. That's an important like legacy that he might be really thinking about. You like him as well.

WILLIAMS: Oh, I love Joe Biden as a friend. But I'm just saying, I just -- I'm kind of amused to be at the table because normally, republicans are mocking Uncle Joe for all of his, you know missteps with his tongue and the like. And how he's.

GUTFELD: That's why we want him.

WILLIAMS: That's why I figured it. I knew it was a diabolical plot.

GUTFELD: John Stewart like, practically fainted from exhaustion over Trump.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, well.

GUILFOYLE: But all.

GUTFELD: Biden would be the gift.

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GUILFOYLE: You got said the magic word because just when you saw, there wasn't a way to work Donald Trump into our A-block. We have found it. 500 million reasons he has filed against huge lawsuit in New York State Supreme Court against Univision networks because Mr. Trump is the owner of the Miss Universe organization. He said they did not appropriately terminate him from NBC, from this. So therefore because they didn't follow the protocol he found it out in a press release. He said there's a lot of ladies out here waiting and their families to do this pageant and now no more, thoughts around the table, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Well you said it's his first amendment right, to speak out and call Mexicans racist. I see.

GUILFOYLE: What?

WILLIAMS: That's what he said. It says right here. It said, "Mr. Trump -- they attempted to suppress Mr. Trump's freedom of speech under the first amendment".

GUILFOYLE: Right.

WILLIAMS: "As he began his campaign".

GUILFOYLE: All right, Bolling?

BOLLING: Yeah, I'm trying to figure out, is Univision -- maybe time can tell you. Is Univision part of the Universal, part of NBC, the Comcast family? Maybe, he may be filing a suit against NBC and directly at Univision. Look, he has his right. This is what is he does. He's done this throughout his whole life. You don't want path -- to cross paths and not have every T-crossed and every I-dotted, if you're going to break a contract with Trump. I think this is in his right and this is -- look, the spotlight stays on Donald Trump.

GUILFOYLE: This is interesting, though because this Miss USA pageant, Dana, was scheduled to take place in Baton Rouge, Louisiana on July 12th. He said the women are all there. The families are there. Everybody is counting on this and Donald would say he's going to find a way to put it on.

PERINO: That's why I pulled out this year when I first read it. I said, OK, so this is how you ratchet up a situation. Perhaps, NBC didn't have the contract situation all set up. I'm not -- I don't know if they do or not. But so then Trump has an ability to file a lawsuit. The other thing that it insurance is a ton of publicity for this possible event because he said he's going to be there. So just like 10 days away, July 12th, 12 days away. That is certainly the way to ratchet it up is to say, OK, fine. I'll meet you there.

GUILFOYLE: All right. And this is interesting because they could be in breach and he could get more money. You know, why not?

GUTFELD: I heard that NBC is going to cancel Miss America with Trump and replace it with mislead America with Barack Obama.

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my goodness. You can only get back that kind of.

PERINO: I got it.

GUILFOYLE: Insanity here, right? That was a minute.

GUTFELD: Thank you, Clint Black, for e-mailing me that joke.

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: I love you, Clint Black.

All right, next. New development on the financial crisis in Greece and the Iranian nuke negotiations, stay tuned.

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PERINO: It is shortly after midnight in Greece where a deadline to pay back a $1.8 billion loan to the IMF is less than an hour away. And a showdown is looming with international creditors ahead of a national referendum, on whether to leave the Eurozone completely. Should Americans be concerned about this? Well, here's President Obama.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: In layman's terms for the American people, this is not something that we believe will have a major shock to the system. It's something that we take seriously, but it's not something that I think should prompt overreactions.

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PERINO: And GOP presidential candidate Bobby Jindal thinks we may be headed down the same path.

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BOBBY JINDAL, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The reality is look. Today, a breaking news from Greece, from Puerto Rico, that's when the United States we stay on the same path that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama want in this country. We have a new entitlement program. We can't afford the ones we've got. We've got no plan to pay off the debt or balance the budget.

BRET BAIER, "SPECIAL REPORT" SHOW HOST: So was it $19 trillion, how do you get it to zero?

JINDAL: Well, one you go first, you got to start by shrinking the government, not slowing the growth. Actually, shrinking it.

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PERINO: OK. We're going to our resident expert. Eric, should our viewers be worried.

GUILFOYLE: On money.

PERINO: About this today?

BOLLING: No. No, no, no. The strange thing is you watch some of the business networks, all of them. And there are all alarm, (inaudible), pictures of people forming, rioting in Greece. People are lining up, trying to get money out. They can only get $66 per day out. The Greece's economy is about the size of Oregon. That's it. Texas is $1.4 trillion. Greece is $250 billion. It's a very small economy. The concern is that the contagion what happens in Greece will spread throughout other parts of Europe. It won't. Italy, Spain, Ireland. They've all gotten their act together. The best thing that could happen for the Eurozone is if Greece defaults, which I think they either did or about to default and they do get thrown out of the Eurozone. They're the weakest link of a very strong chain. They take more from the Eurozone than they put in. The best thing for the -- the strength in the Euro would be to get Greece out of it. But let them figure out how to print money, get off on their own and the few banks that have money in Greece right now, will eat it. Sorry, guys. You risked it. You went for it. You lose. Greece is like my 16-year-old son. He doesn't want to work, he just wants the benefits. You got to cut him off at some point and say, you've got to work. If you want the benefits, the one that take August off, fine. But work up until August. They don't want to do that. So the best thing for Greece, the Eurozone and the U.S. economy is that Greece does.

GUILFOYLE: OK. But let me ask you, so maybe the problem is don't just necessarily just worry about Greece, but what about Puerto Rico saying that they're going to default on $72 billion in debt. So what if you have Greece, you got Puerto Rico in a free fall. How is that not going to offend - I mean, affect the bond in the stock market.

BOLLING: This won't affect. It won't affect a thing. Puerto Rico, you know so much.

GUILFOYLE: Like a combination of the two.

BOLLING: Because Puerto Rico is part of the U.S., they can't default. They won't default. There's going to have to be some sort of payments. But again, you want the benefits of a younger age of retirement. You want to get a lot of benefits, a lot of entitlement programs. You got to cut them back. You have to put some austerity on Puerto Rico. Go ahead do it, if you can bail them out. Make a deal.

PERINO: What do you think a lot of people living within their means in Europe?

GUTFELD: Oh, I'm for it. You know, Greece is the crystal ball of progressive economics. What you're seeing is the inverted pyramid where the tiny population is basically supporting a massive population. I have a solution for this and I've talked about this before, you know. Greece has a lot of historic buildings and beautiful islands. There's an Acropolis. There's the Parthenon. There's the Aegean islands, sell them. Sell them. This is a Greece fire sale. You know what, you got Trump. You got Zuckerberg. You got Putin. You got Gates. They can buy this stuff, why not. Get an island. It's you know, if you have a problem, you sell your stuff. We've all been there. I've sold a TV or two in my life to make ends meet.

WILLIAMS: Yeah.

GUTFELD: Time for you to do it, Greece. Socialism doesn't create jobs. If you don't have jobs, you don't create a tax base, well then that's not sustained socialism. It's the evil deadly cycle that ends at the bottom of the drain, Greece.

GUILFOYLE: Trump should.

GUTFELD: Sell the island.

GUILFOYLE: Have all the pageants there.

PERINO: Before we go on to our second topic, Juan, let me ask you something about. So, Eric has said that the best thing would be for Greece to exit the Eurozone. There's another school of thought that thinks this would be bad, especially for international compact and partnerships. Do you think that President Obama risk, you know, his no drama Obama attitude, risk looking like he's leading from behind once again and not trying to help solve this issue?

WILLIAMS: Yeah, It doesn't because I think that, you know, in terms of markets.

GUILFOYLE: Good answer.

(LAUGHTER)

WILLIAMS: Eric is right on all his facts. But I think the markets are very psychological. And then if you have a sense of panic out there, the people think hey, why aren't those guys paying? And you know what's really incredible is that the head of Greece, he has a referendum coming out. And he told his people, vote against all the reforms being demanded by the creditors. It's like they're irresponsible and they're saying, so what if we're irresponsible? You come get us. I mean, it's unbelievable.

GUILFOYLE: Wait until what happens with U.S. cities like Chicago, Detroit, I mean, I think this is the wave of what's going to happen.

BOLLING: We were all in the same boat as Greece. I mean, every single city and state in America is in the same debt to income, to GDP ratio that Greece, but we work. We produce, (inaudible). They -- honestly, their work ethic is substantially below the rest of Europe, which is substantially below the U.S. and they don't produce anything.

PERINO: And their number of government employees is really high.

WILLIAMS: Same thing in Puerto Rico.

PERINO: Yes, you're right, got it. OK. We had one other topic and that is Iran. I think one of the things that was keeping our government preoccupied is you see any of the communications from President Obama, John Kerry, it's the deal with Iran. On earlier today, Senator McConnell issued an op-ed in which he says, "Iran's aggressive behaviors possess great challenges to the world, to the region, to allies like Israel and to our own country. It also presents a host of problems for President Obama's successor in the oval office, entering into a bad agreement with Iran now, would only make those problems worse.

Greg, a couple of months ago you said that we're like the country that has all the money and we walk in and say, we're going to buy that rug. So you don't have to negotiate with us.

GUTFELD: What -- I think the thing that bugs me about this is these are the issues that march on, while we focus on the ills that plague our domestic country. We're so obsessed with our own shameful past and shameful history that we can't muster up the will to face external threats like Iran. Our worst enemy isn't Iran or ISIS or Russia, it's us and our own self- flagellation. We're too busy beating each other up to actually look outside and see what's happening around the world because we lost our will. That's why we need a new person in the White House. We need to get one.

GUILFOYLE: We want to steal too badly. It's like Kerry should spend more time kite surfing or biking or whatever it is because his time at the table there is not well advised for the future of this country and the only reason that it isn't going through with the other countries that are involved like France, believe it or not, stepping up to put pressure to make sure it doesn't happen.

PERINO: A lot of former government officials, even for President Obama's administration came out with a letter last week, including David Petraeus and a few others, saying this is a bad deal. Don't do this deal and don't do any more concessions.

BOLLING: You know you heard today for the first time ever? President -- I think it's the first time ever, President Obama saying, "Oh, we don't want a bad deal. If it's not going to be a good deal, we don't want a deal." I think he may be changing his tone a little bit, hopefully because there's no good outcome from this. We let them out of a bad corner that they were in and then started negotiating. They've got us kind of cornered.

PERINO: I think it's like psychology, though.

BOLLING: I think they are.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

PERINO: I think its psychology. I think that President Obama said that today because they want -- then, but when they get the deal that they actually want, it will look like it was something that was that hard- fought.

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WILLIAMS: Well, I don't understand. Why are you guys rooting against a deal that would change the parameters of ongoing status quo negatives in the Middle East? We should want a deal.

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WILLIAMS: We should want to control Iraq. PERINO: I just some kind of Kissinger.

WILLIAMS: What?

PERINO: It was Henry Kissinger who said it was a bad deal.

GUILFOYLE: Correct. And he has everything.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, but he doesn't know what's going on inside the deal.

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WILLIAMS: Yeah. I know more than he knows, apparently.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

(LAUGHTER)

PERINO: OK. We're going to shift gear. Completely ahead, Bristol Palin, facing a lot of backlash after announcing that she's pregnant for a second time. She is out of wedlock. But Greg is going to point out something important that her critics are missing. That's next.

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GUTFELD: So let's talk about the heroism of Bristol Palin. Seriously, don't laugh. She got pregnant again, the second time for the unmarried gal. Now once again, she's fodder for comedians and afternoon chuckle buckets. Look.

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WENDY WILLIAMS, TALK SHOW HOST: Were you shocked about the Bristol Palin baby number two with the second baby's father? Were you shocked? I wasn't. Because here's what I say: You never trust anybody who says, first of all-- never trust their word if they, A, wear a purity ring, or B, say that they're going to stay a virgin until they get married.

BILL MAHER, HOST, HBO'S "REAL TIME WITH BILL MAHER": I don't usually go after the children of candidates. But come on. Bristol, who after she had the first baby out of wedlock, got paid to be an abstinence spokesman and is now pregnant with her second child out of wedlock. I mean, this chick can see Russia from her bed. Instead of shooting wolves, Sarah Palin should raise her kids.

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GUTFELD: Now, I get it. Of course, the media would have been more supportive if she had an abortion. But then if she had, they never would have known that she had the abortion; and then they would miss out on the laughs. So good for them that she chose a pulse over a procedure and its burdens of punishment.

She now faces the humiliations that come from being a full-on hypocrite, and she is. A champion of abstinence gets impregnated by two different guys. It's a giggle.

But as you laugh, you miss the bigger point. That Palin chose humiliation over convenience. She took the pain for it was more humane. And her pregnancy points out sins on both sides.

On the right, if you cite the illegitimacy of black inner cities, then do so here. Sex happens where the young and bored congregate without supervision or goals.

On the left, your mockery reminds us of how you secretly value abortion and its thinning of the troubled herd. You know you love it.

And so by choosing to have this baby, this flawed, hypocritical, hilarious heroine tosses to the hyenas a ripe opportunity for ridicule. They should thank her. And one day when her baby knows the sacrifices and choices that her mother made, he or she will thank her, too.

Brave, Kimberly, or just worthy of mockery?

GUILFOYLE: No. Brave, doing the right thing. I'm happy for her and for her baby. I think she's standing up and doing the right thing. She's not like people, "OK, I'm just going to use abortion as birth control." She's accepting the consequences. She's doing the right thing.

I don't understand why she has to be stigmatized or ridiculed. I mean, she's choosing life. So is everybody perfect out there that's making fun of her and throwing stones at her? For what?

GUTFELD: That's fair.

GUILFOYLE: Because she had sex with somebody that she was intending to marry, and they had a baby? OK. I mean, come on.

GUTFELD: Yes. Go ahead.

BOLLING: I'm not sure that he's actually, or they haven't come out and said that Dakota Meyer. He's addressed it, but I don't think he's said he's the father.

GUTFELD: But the fact is, this is a good point. Every shame is national. We now -- this is something for a small town, and we know everything.

BOLLING: So can I touch on that a little bit?

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: I hate the fact that we're doing that now for that reason. The media is so thirsty for a sensationalized story like this that Bill Maher will go ahead and go there.

No. 1, it's none of our business. No. 2, it's no reflection on anyone else. He's not taking a shot at Bristol, I don't think. I think Bill Maher is taking a shot at Sarah Palin.

GUTFELD: Of course.

BOLLING: And then, No. 3, if you're willing to go after people's families, their children, nothing should be off-limits. And Bill Maher, your life, if you want to do that, go for it. Because now you've -- you've opened yourself up to scrutiny on every single level. And you may not want to do that.

WILLIAMS: Well, I'll tell you what. I care about the kid here.

GUILFOYLE: Me, too.

WILLIAMS: And so I think Greg is right. She's a hypocrite, and she's gone after people, by the way. She's talked about other people, and she's said she stands for abstinence. You know.

But look, there's a real human being about to be born. And is that child going to be loved and cared for, because she's got a 6-year-old; she's got now all these issues with her own life and trying to find love. I just hope that the child is cared for.

GUTFELD: But Dana, the abstinence. I think you said it like the joke writes itself when somebody who's pro-abstinence has two kids out of wedlock. But she could have hid this. If she wanted to. And she didn't. That's the point, is that she knew she was going to get nailed for this stuff.

PERINO: She's more brave and more courageous than all of them put together. It's not hard to make fun of somebody like this.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: But why is it that some babies are celebrated and some are mocked?

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: It's a tough decision. In addition, there's a father. I don't know who the father is. I don't care who the father is. But there's a life that is going to be born, and we should hope that the baby is happy and healthy; and it will be raised in a loving home.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

PERINO: Homes make -- look -- they look in a lot of different ways. This is not the 1940s. We get that. There's no need to talk about her like that.

PERINO: And there's a lot of love in that family. The baby's going to have, like, you know, great relatives to look after, take care of the baby. I think it's -- you know, I wish them -- God bless.

GUTFELD: All right. Robert Redford's apocalyptic warning at the U.N.

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ROBERT REDFORD, ACTOR/DIRECTOR/ACTIVIST: This may be our last chance to save the world before it's too late.

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GUTFELD: Our reaction when "The Five" returns.

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BOLLING: So did you hear the planet is in peril, and there's very little time left before the Earth is no more? I bring you Robert Redford's latest dramatic performance, this one at the U.N.

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REDFORD: Your mission is as simple as it is daunting. To save the world before it's too late.

Everywhere we look, moderate weather seems to be going extinct.

The time for half measures and climate denial is over.

This December the world must united behind a common goal.

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GUILFOYLE: So weird.

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REDFORD: Because look, this is it. This is our only planet. Our only life source. This may be our last chance.

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BOLLING: All right, Greg, you want to kick off? Global alarming.

GUTFELD: He convinced me.

No, you know what the thing is, though, you have to -- we have to have a better method of responding to this. Because it doesn't go away.

First you have to respond to all exaggeration with facts. We do know that extreme weather isn't worse now than it was before. It's been getting better in terms of hurricanes.

But you also -- we have to admit and understand that young people are easily worried about being ostracized by their peers if they end up on the wrong side of this issue. They don't want to be on the wrong side.

So the solution for fighting this kind of hysteria is to out-compassion them. That means, if Kyoto protocols are $150 billion a year, say, why not spend that on sanitation, malnutrition, heating fuels, water, communicable diseases? You out-compassion them and you win. If you just say, "This is stupid," nobody's going to listen to you. You've got to fight fire with fire.

BOLLING: Fight fire with fire. He said -- Robert Redford said moderate weather is going extinct, Dana, but this year is the lowest number of hurricanes since they've been keeping records, and no hurricanes.

PERINO: Right.

BOLLING: I would say are moderate.

PERINO: And this December could be the end. Yes, could be the end. Only five more months to go.

BOLLING: Don't pay your taxes.

PERINO: The world is facing the largest refugee crisis since World War II. And the United Nations is silent. They do more about global warming than the rise of refugees around the world, which will actually have immediate impacts. The world -- the refugees deserve more from the world and especially the United Nations.

BOLLING: Juan, they're -- Redford and his ilk are calling for the U.S. to make some promises, some pledges for reducing carbon greenhouse emissions. But China won't reduce. China won't even stop increasing their rate until 2030. Fifteen more years of increases before they even address it. Why should we?

WILLIAMS: Because I think we're the leader here, and we want to set an example for the world. And I think we could force China, and that's part of what the deal is that President Obama's been pushing, force China, force other countries, force Brazil, to make some kind of effort to say, "You know what? We, the United States, are taking the big hit here with doing something."

And I just -- I don't understand what you guys are up to here today. Because I mean, even the pope is saying this. The pope is saying it.

GUTFELD: That doesn't mean anything.

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GUTFELD: The pope thinks any kind of progress is wrong. If you're on his side, go for it.

WILLIAMS: Oh, progress? What is -- progress is wrong on the environment?

GUILFOYLE: I love the pope. I love the pope. I love the pope.

GUTFELD: There you go.

BOLLING: That's it?

WILLIAMS: Was that for the pope or me?

GUILFOYLE: No, not for you.

WILLIAMS: I didn't think so.

BOLLING: All right, ahead a scandal -- this is a big one. A gambling scandal involving one of the world's most famous golfers, Phil Mickelson, next.

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WILLIAMS: There's news today involving one of the golf world's biggest stars. ESPN report says Phil Mickelson has been linked to a sports betting scheme tied to illegal gambling. It alleges Mickelson wired nearly $3 million to a man who has since pleaded guilty to three counts of money laundering, involving funds from unnamed gambling client with the initials P.M.

What do you say, Eric?

BOLLING: Here's what I think of it. He -- Phil Mickelson is an adult. He makes somewhere around $40 million a year. Gambling is legal in many places in America. If the guy want to gamble, I say why -- why are we not...

WILLIAMS: Did you not hear what I said? Somebody just is going to go to jail, were convicted. This is an illegal operation.

BOLLING: I believe in playing by the rules. But I think when the rules are stupid, you vote in people who will change the rules and get rid of these stupid gambling laws.

GUILFOYLE: Succinctly stated.

BOLLING: Thank you.

WILLIAMS: But wait a second. Wait a second.

GUILFOYLE: He's right.

WILLIAMS: But you missed the point here.

GUILFOYLE: No, I'm not missing anything.

WILLIAMS: The reason that the prosecutors didn't go after Mickelson is because they don't go after individuals. They go after the whole operation.

GUILFOYLE: I understand.

WILLIAMS: But Mickelson was funding the operation.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, obviously, you and I disagree on this. This isn't something I'm going to, like, rise up in arms about.

WILLIAMS: OK.

GUILFOYLE: You know, I mean, I think if he's not like betting or throwing it on the PGA tour or doing something funky with the Masters, OK.

WILLIAMS: Cool. All right.

GUILFOYLE: It's cool.

WILLIAMS: Greg.

GUTFELD: OK. Let's look at these three areas, all right? Gambling, prostitution, drugs. These are three things that we've criminalized. And what are they run by? Criminals. That is not a correlation. That is a causation.

All three of these -- gambling, prostitution, or drugs -- are transactions among adults, or should be. They have every right to their vice. They have every right to destroy their lives, ruin their lives with drugs or gambling. That's their right as a human being. We should stay out of people's vices.

GUILFOYLE: Libertarianism.

GUTFELD: We all have vices.

WILLIAMS: All right. So Dana, this comes down to you. You are the final vote on "The Five" today.

PERINO: OK, so...

WILLIAMS: An intoxicated golfer, what else did you say? Who's a prostitute. Should she be allowed on the course?

PERINO: This is why -- this is why you came to me last. I just went to Vegas. I was there for, like -- I was there 37 hours.

WILLIAMS: Oh!

PERINO: And I might be the only person who -- I didn't bet a dime. I don't get the gambling thing. I don't know how to...

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BOLLING: Drinking champagne.

WILLIAMS: Cavorting. Cavorting.

PERINO: It was a cowboy wedding.

GUTFELD: Is that what they call it now?

"Yes, it's a cowboy wedding."

Went in through a back door? And you wear chaps.

WILLIAMS: You should slow down, Gregory. That's a decent woman.

GUILFOYLE: I got a good invitation from a cowboy.

WILLIAMS: "One More Thing" is coming up. Stay with us.

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GUILFOYLE: It's time now -- it's time now for "One More Thing." Greg, you're first.

GUTFELD: Let's go to this thing.

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GUTFELD: Greg's Celebrity Corner.

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GUTFELD: All right. You know it's the summer. Even the celebrities are getting into the act. They like to go out and get wet in their palatial estates. Here's Alec Baldwin taking a dunk into one of his many pools.

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(BROWN BEAR JUMPING OFF DIVING BOARD INTO POOL)

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GUTFELD: There he is. He looks great. By the way, it's not only great for cooling off for Alec; it gets rid of all the bedbugs that infest his hairy mane. Anyway, there he goes again. He can't get enough. Oh, you fuzzy stupid bear.

BOLLING: He is hairy.

GUILFOYLE: I think that's kind of cute, actually.

OK. So Dana, what have you got?

PERINO: OK. I thought he was going to say something else.

OK. Two things. The Supreme Court said that they will hear a case about - - that could end mandatory union membership for all government workers.

It started with a teacher in California. She thought that the unions were not good. They were at the expense of the students. And so now the Supreme Court is going hear it. It could have big implications.

And if you care about education I wanted to mention this last week. Campbell Brown is going to launch a new web site. It's called The 74. Talks about the 74 million school-age children. If you care about education and education policy, this is going to be a good place to have a lot of that conversation.

GUTFELD: What if you don't care?

PERINO: Then you don't have to go to it.

GUTFELD: Oh, good.

GUILFOYLE: ... liking this. Juan.

WILLIAMS: Seattle Seahawks runningback Marshawn Lynch loves to jump into the back of the end zone, and guess what? The fans throw Skittles. So last night, he was on "Conan O'Brien." And here's a surprise from Conan for Marshawn Lynch.

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CONAN O'BRIEN, HOST, TBS'S "CONAN": You are famous for jumping backwards into the end zone. And I thought maybe it's a long dream of yours to jump backwards into an end zone filled with Skittles.

just got you the ball. That's the end zone right there. The game's on the line!

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WILLIAMS: So Dana says that's a lot of Skittles. Yes, Dana. A lot of Skittles; a lot of fun.

BOLLING: And I said the Seahawks -- Seahawks coaching staff is going, "Don't do it."

GUILFOYLE: All right. My turn. I've been playing with this. I don't know if you see this situation. OK. But Disneyland is banning -- terrible segue -- is banning the selfies stick, because they're say they're dangerous. It's like a security issue. I've never played with one of these before. I'm kind of loving it. Going to do a little selfie situation.

GUTFELD: You know what Dana uses.

GUILFOYLE: Lean in, right?

GUTFELD: An "elfie stick."

GUILFOYLE: So I just think it's fantastic if you want to -- want to use one of these. I've been doing it.

GUTFELD: An elfie stick.

GUILFOYLE: I love these. Anyway, but they're kind of good. It works really well. I'm kind of excited.

GUTFELD: Isn't that like something at doctor's offices to look at things.

GUILFOYLE: No.

All right. Eric, what do you have that's better than my selfie stick?

BOLLING: I love your selfie. You know what you should do? You should Instagram that picture, K.G.

GUILFOYLE: OK.

BOLLING: We'll follow K.G. on Instagram.

GUILFOYLE: Let's do it.

BOLLING: OK. So the top three voted most favorite fast food restaurants in America came out today. No. 3, Panera Bread; No. 2, Chipotle; No. 1, Chick-Fil-A. And get this: it voted customer satisfaction No. 1. And they're closed on Sunday, because the owner, Dan Cathy, is very -- he's very Christian. So he says, "I'm not going to be open on Sunday." And still voted No. 1.

PERINO: Have you had their chicken nuggets?

BOLLING: Not the nuggets.

GUTFELD: They're really good.

PERINO: Really good.

GUTFELD: I hate chipotle.

PERINO: I'm surprised that Panera is No. 2.

GUTFELD: You know why it's popular? That's where you have job interviews.

WILLIAMS: What?

GUTFELD: Nobody goes there to eat. They just sit there for job interviews.

GUILFOYLE: What are you talking about? They have good...

All right. So I think that's it for us. I mean, most definitely it should be. Set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" is next. Selfie stick.

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