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Guns in America

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," June 2, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Geraldo, Eric Bolling as he uses a tongue depressor as a surf board, and Dana Perino. "The Five."

The media reaction to Vince Vaughn's recent Second Amendment defense is as unsurprising as it is fact-free. Piers Morgan -- remember him? -- fulfills the first syllable of Twitter using that platform to call Vince dumb. The irony lost on Piers, only a dumb person would respond to facts without facts. Piers showed up to a gunfight with a water pic.

Also, lost in this, GQ had asked for Vince's opinion and he gave it, but unlike most stars, he did so with actual facts. No wonder the media freaked out. They didn't know what to make of a star who actually reads, which is why they reacted with flawed surveys filled with biased calculations. Tap the numbers slightly and the research folds like an undercooked crepe.

But the real stories are the stories that are ignored. Like the number of gun owners who prevent attacks or what killer James Holmes said in his diary that he wanted to attack an airport but he nixed it because of all of the guns. That's just like Elliot Rodger's manifesto where he said he would skip targets wherein an opposing gun would cut short his killing. He killed six people. They were sitting ducks on purpose.

And finally, as John Lott, Jr. -- a gun expert -- reports, Dylan Klebold, the Columbine ghoul, openly opposed a law letting people carry concealed weapons at school. So why would he not like that? Because bad people prefer their victims at their mercy -- i.e. unarmed. Kind of like when anyone who debates Piers Morgan on guns.

All right, I want to go to Geraldo first because this is his first time on "The Five."

GERALDO RIVERA, GUEST CO-HOST: It is. Hello.

GUTFELD: Good to see you and your mustache.

RIVERA: The Second Amendment is the most lavishly defended of all of the constitutions of the United States.

(CROSSTALK)

RIVERA: Anyone who thinks they need gun, there's a gun for every man, woman and child in the country to protect against the corrupt, arrogant and pervasive government. Is that what he said?

GUTFELD: Yes.

RIVERA: Doesn't that remind you of Timothy McVeigh in the Militia?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: That reminds me of almost all of America. By the way, why would you go straight to McVeigh?

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RIVERA: We are bathing in blood in the civil war that is racking the inner city of this country.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: That's illegal guns. That's not the Second Amendment. That's not law-abiding citizens, Geraldo. That's gangs. You know that's gangs.
Don't play that game with me.

RIVERA: It is people with guns, please. Give me a break. Baltimore 43 dead in 30 days.

GUTFELD: Yes and how did that happen?

RIVERA: Because everyone has a gun.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Illegal guns, Geraldo. Illegal guns.

RIVERA: Because there's not stop and frisk. That's another discussion.

(CROSSTALK)

RIVERA: I wanted that.

GUTFELD: I want Kimberly into this.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Uh-huh.

GUTFELD: Is the media shocked to hear a celebrity use actual facts instead of emotion?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. And perhaps he was even shocked that he was able to be so courageous and come out and say what he really believes. I'm sure there's quite few more people like him, but they are silenced because they are afraid about losing their jobs because there is economic consequence to expressing an idea that is not wildly held or viewed upon favorably by the mainstream media. But for somebody like Vince Vaughn to come forward, perhaps somebody else will. What he is stating is a fact. What he is stating is what the law and the Second Amendment hold that we have the right to bear arms and to be able to defend ourselves. What you mentioned in your monologue is also factually correct. These types of predators go for soft targets and will not meet the other end of a gun to resist their oppression and violence.

GUTFELD: Dana, also what we are seeing now is conservatives like me are clapping our hands like seals because it's so refreshing or rare to hear this.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: You're so grateful.

GUTFELD: Yes. Because we never get -- we never get to hear this kind of honesty.

GUILFOYLE: He's delighted.

PERINO: He's getting more attention then maybe if somebody else had done it.

GUTFELD: Right.

PERINO: Republicans have said it, nobody would make waves?

GUTFELD: Exactly.

PERINO: So, yes, it's great. Some of the examples that you gave, those were the mass shootings. A lot of the gun violence is actually not happening on that mass scale.

GUTFELD: Right.

PERINO: It's like you don't get to 40, people dead in Baltimore in the month of May because 40 people were killed all at once. It's more random than that. One of the things I think that is very interesting about people like in Hollywood who would criticize Vince Vaughn is that they are also for a very popular and somewhat bipartisan policy approach which is the decriminalization of a lot of -- the drug laws.

GUTFELD: Right.

PERINO: OK. But a lot of those people are in jail not just because of the drugs. It is because the gun violation that went along with the drug. So I'm curious with the left who supports this.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: What sort of gun laws are they going to be willing to relax in order to get to their goal of decriminalization?

GUTFELD: Oh, that's an interesting take.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: I'm thinking about it. And so, Eric, I thought that Vince Vaughn's best point was when he said that the leaders who preach gun control enroll their kids in fortified schools.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Like I said last night, Sidwell Friends is one of the most fortified schools in the country. That's where a lot of the presidents' children have gone. Here is what Vince Vaughn said that created the fire storm. Mass murders happen in gun-free zones.
That really kind of blew up the left's head -- the left's head blew up. In fact, Julie Roginski was here saying that there's no correlation between gun ownership and violent crimes. John Lott called me last night and said
-- I said John, there is always a certain amount of time you can do this.
So I looked up the numbers and here are the numbers. You want facts? Here are the facts. Since 1993, gun ownership has gone up by 50 percent. It has gone from under 200 million to over 300 million, firearms owned in America. And at that same period of time, Geraldo, murder has gone down.
The murder rate has gone down by 50 percent. Robbery has gone down by 57 percent and forceable rape has gone down by 37 percent. Those are the facts. You can't argue with those facts.

RIVERA: When was the last time you heard of a civilian stopping a crime with a gun?

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BOLLING: Thousands of times per day. In fact, there was a statistic and I don't have that right here.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Increasing concealed carry permits has actually accounted for somewhere around 8 percent drop in crimes because people pulled their own concealed carry on people who were trying to murder them, rape them, or rob them.

GUTFELD: Do you feel safer that Vince Vaughn is carrying a weapon?

BOLLING: I wish I was able to carry my weapon into -- from New Jersey into New York and into the studio. I wish I was able to do that. I would feel much safer.

(CROSSTALK)

RIVERA: I was in Central Park during the crime waves of the 1980s and I was packing a weapon because we were so paranoid.

(CROSSTALK)

RIVERA: I heard wrestling in the bushes, I reached for my 38, and a guy said hi, Geraldo. I said that's the last time I'm ever carrying a gun.

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GUTFELD: Thank God you don't have a gun, Geraldo, or I wouldn't trust you.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Geraldo, this is the problem with gun control science. It's based on the microlevel anecdotal reporting. We're talking about statistics that are countrywide. There is a large packet of research on preventive crime used with gun ownership that John Lott, Jr., has been painstakingly researched. It happens. Anecdotal studies are interesting in providing an emotional debate, but not a factual one. But you did bring up stop and frisk, so I want to move on to that. Rudy Giuliani was on with Bernard Kerik. I think on Fox discussing what happens when stop and frisk goes away.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: Whatever you think of it, it prevents crime, particularly gun crime.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right.

GIULIANI: Chicago has less than half the population in New York and two and a half times the number of murders per capita. We both have the same gun control laws. So it's not gun control. You can't take away the programs that were successful. And that's what this mayor has done consistently. The biggest benefactors of the reduction in homicides were the minority communities which are now suffering and seeing an increase in homicide and increase in shootings.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: KG, what he's saying is OK -- I think in 2013, 69 killings. At this point, there's 98. So you want to guess who is being killed. It is not white liberal talk show hosts.

GUILFOYLE: No, it's not. It's also what he believes and I interviewed him on this morning. He said look, this is the inability of the police to be able take guns off the streets. He does believe that there's a direct correlation with the ceasing of the stop and frisk, the ability of the police to go up in a proper and legal means to be able to stop someone, question them and take those guns off. Because when you know this is put in place and they are not allowed to do it, guess what, the guy coming out of from wherever they have the gun, they are going to bring it out onto the street because they are not worried about an encounter with the police but they can pull it off of them. It makes it all the more easier (ph) to be able to use it.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Hence, the escalation.

GUTFELD: It is a fairly obvious point. Stop and frisk gets guns, that prevents gun crime. And when you stop it, crimes go up.

PERINO: Well, this is also interesting. Wasn't it yesterday that the New York Police Department announced that they were adding 300 or 350 officers back to the streets, so they could help to prevent the gun crime? They cannot do the stop and frisk. So the answer has been, take away the tool that works and add more people to the mix, but not give them the tools that they need to do the job.

GUTFELD: Yeah, and you wonder why they are worried. The other thing about gun ownership and death, they make it sound like gun ownership causes all of these homicides, but they do it by adding suicides.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Even when you add suicide -- even when you add suicides, the numbers still play out. The higher the frequency of gun ownership, the lower -- whether it's a city, state or country in general, the lower the homicide. Violent crime rates go down as gun ownership, firearm ownership goes up, even with the suicides.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Can I just point out something on the New York City mayor and.

GUTFELD: Ex-mayor?

BOLLING: Ex-mayor. Also, when you point your fingers at the cops and something goes wrong, that also makes these crime rates go up as well.

RIVERA: I agree. I agree with that. And moreover, there is a civil war in the Ghetto, in the black Ghettos of America. And we have to wake up to it. The only way to disarm the bloods and the crips and all of these gangs and crews is with stop, question and frisk. It's constitutional if applied appropriately. To take it away from -- to take this vital tool away is to hobble them along with as Eric correctly points out the absolute disrespect that's been generated towards the police because of the incident -- the highly publicized incident in Ferguson and Charleston and so forth.

GUTFELD: And it victimizes the people living there.

RIVERA: It absolutely does.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: They are the ones that get.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: They can't reconcile increasing gun control because they want more gun control laws, but they want to take away the tool that finds the guns.

GUILFOYLE: That's the problem.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: And they know how to do this, because Rudy pointed out that Bill Bratton helped him put together a law-abiding stop, question and brisk policy, so he can do it. This is going to be de Blasio's problem if he doesn't put it back in place and he is going to have blood in his hands.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Well, he should if he cares about black-on-black crime.

(CROSSTALK)

RIVERA: There were 2000 murders a year. Now, there are 300, those 1700 statistically would have been mostly black young men whose lives would have been taken, but for programs stop and frisk.

GUTFELD: Great point. Breaking developments, on the Capitol Hill clash over the NSA's surveillance program, that's next on The Five.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUILFOYLE: Well, a short while ago, the Senate passed the House-approved U.S.A. Freedom Act that reauthorizes some government surveillance programs, but not the NSA bulk collection of phone records. After the president signs it, the government will eventually have to get a court order to obtain the records from phone carriers in its pursuit of terrorists.
Something that Senator Rand Paul still strongly argues against.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. RAND PAUL (R-KY), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The USA Freedom Act will allow a corporation to be searched and if that corporation were Verizon or AT&T, we might be back where we started. I still have concerns. I want to be very clear. I want to look at the records of terrorists. I just want the warrants to be individualized.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: All right, so that's his response. He's trying to draw the line to say that he wants the records of terrorists to be looked at, but not other Americans. Can you distinguish between the two?

GUTFELD: Yes. It's easier to be said than done because he's saying I can find the needle without the haystack. Well, you've got to start from somewhere. The center of this debate is the -- are the fictions that are being told about an agency that is a necessity in the modern age. We have different enemies than we did now. The idea that NSA is actually spying and reading your e-mails, no. If they do, that's an aberration of a screw- up. But the worse thing about Rand Paul, what makes him despicable is saying that republicans -- saying that republicans want a terrorist attack, so they can blame him. So what he has done.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Let me finish, Eric.

BOLLING: He walked that back within two hours of saying it.

PERINO: So what?

GUTFELD: So what?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: What it does is it gives you a glimpse into his, that he will always see himself as the real victim. It's not the people that are getting killed, he sees this as like you know what, he questions people's intent and not judgment because it's about him. And that's sad and disgusting. No wonder he is failing.

RIVERA: Don't you want the civil servant who is looking at your telephone records to.

(CROSSTALK)

RIVERA: You love the Second Amendment, why not the First Amendment?

GUTFELD: What I'm talking about is it is not -- it is constitutional what is being done. We decided that in the '70s and I believe it.

BOLLING: I think it's not.

GUTFELD: And I believe it.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Eric, ay what you want. You want profiling.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: The actual amendment says that you need to specify who the warrant goes to. In order to have a warrant in a real court, besides the FISA court, you need to name the person you want and that's not what is going on with the NSA.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Later go with specificity, once they have -- there isn't a retrieval until they have the facts to prove it.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: That's wrong. That's wrong. I admit that. That's an aberration and that shouldn't happen.

BOLLING: Can I just make one thing clear? And I would disagree with Rand on this part. If Rand disagrees with requiring the data carriers, the phone companies, the Google to keep the data for a certain amount of time, I would disagree with that. Because there is access to something where if you do have -- you're pinging on something, you see a connection, go after it. I would simply say that allowing the government to blanketly say we can take anyone at any time that we want, as many as we want without a specific warrant, I would say that would be the violation of the Fourth Amendment in the constitution.

RIVERA: I disagree with you.

BOLLING: But asking a company -- here's the difference. Like, when you decide to go with a phone company, AT&T or Verizon, whoever it may be, you sign on the dotted line saying you know what, my data is yours. You can keep it and do what you want with it. If you don't like it, you can go find another carrier. Just like when you walk through an airport terminal, if you're privatized at TSA, you're making a decision to do that. However, when the TSA or the NSA, they are not giving you the choice to opt out of the program.

GUTFELD: OK. You're acting as though they are going through your bags.
They are not.

BOLLING: You don't know that. We don't know that.

(CROSSTALK)

RIVERA: What's wrong with a warrant? What's wrong with them going to a judge and getting a warrant?

GUTFELD: Let me explain. There is passive agreement among adults that spying is necessary in this woman over there. Look at that woman over there, and we have to.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Yeah, there is one behind you dancing. We are now in a modern age where this has to be done. The idea that somebody is actually looking at your phone records is hilarious. They are using it to find -- they are basically just looking at the numbers.

BOLLING: There have been zero occurrences, zero occasions where the metadata has actually uncovered a terror plot.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Erroneous. Erroneous. No. I'll tell you why.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: If I may finish, thank you so much. When you're working in active intelligence agency, and I have talked to many of them, and including conversions on and off the record with Giuliani, they actually are collecting this information. OK. It's not like they sit there, and go and release it when they are pursing leads and let go with covert operations and things ongoing. So they are not going to broadcast it and lay it out to make their case because it would compromise the intelligence that they are doing.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: We uncovered before we lose this program, it's so important to us, this is what we say.

GUILFOYLE: No. No, you wouldn't. Not when you would compromise your intelligence.

(CROSSTALK)

RIVERA: I think Rand Paul has totally distinguished himself.

(CROSSTALK)

RIVERA: And now, if we were to poll today, the leading republican candidate and by far the most provocative.

GUILFOYLE: Let me ask you this. Do you consider Mike Morell to be an individual, former CIA director, that nobody is talking about, because he is one of the individuals I'm referring to that even said if they have this collection program prior to 9/11, it would not have happened. Is that good enough information for you?

BOLLING: Wait a minute, wait a minute. So you're saying that they've had it since 9/11 and yet Boston Marathon happened, there have been other terror plots that have happened and it still hasn't foiled any of those plots?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: You're for profiling.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: I'm OK, Greg, if the CIA or the FBI or any of the other of intel agency has an idea and are pinging on someone that they think has connection to a terrorists -- yes, fine, go to FISA court and say we have these people.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: One place to another. You don't start at zero.

GUILFOYLE: It's also the circumstances.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: We spent four months trashing the Obama administration and IRS for targeting conservatives. We thrashed them for doing that and everyone said this would never happen again. Are you sure? Are you positive that down the road Hillary Clinton or another president would not.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: That's administration and you can't compromise national security because you're scared of Hillary Clinton, HRC, looming like you know some kind of a bizarre Wizard of Oz and coming in and reading your e- mails. Dana.

PERINO: I think there's a difference between targeting a certain group of people and looking at metadata, which is a bunch of numbers. That's not looking at somebody's application to the IRS. I'd also like to express my gratitude to the people who have dedicated themselves as civil servants who are not making a gazillion dollars expressing their opinion (inaudible) running for president and impugning the motive of others. I know the people that wrote the Patriot Act. These people are constitutional scholars. They did not seek to go and circumvent the Fourth Amendment.
They are patriots themselves. Imagine after 9/11, they are told we need a better way to be able to track down information. This was one of the expansions that they did that the court did not say that particular thing saying that 2-15 is illegal. It said that the legal reasoning was not allowed. That's what Congress was trying to do.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: . seven minutes and didn't say a word. So let me get a word in.
I think on the politics, which is extremely curious and I don't think that he would poll well with republicans today. This morning, CNN's poll showed that Rand Paul would get 2 percent of republican women to vote for him.
That is not expanding the party. That is not a way to win a presidential nomination.

BOLLING: Very quickly, Representative (Inaudible), one of the authors of the Patriot Act said bulk collection was never intended under the Patriot Act. The Second Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against bulk collection.

GUILFOYLE: Bravo.

GUTFELD: And the fact that we have not had one clear and convincing case where this bulk collection.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: The only cases that I know are the satellite conversations and the cell phone conversations with people in Afghanistan, with people in the tribal territories. That led to the arrests in Denver and the New York subway case. This bulk collection is one of these make-way programs.

(CROSSTALK)

RIVERA: Listen, you can couch it in all of the patriotism and rhetoric you want, but the fact of the matter is where the rubber meets the road, this has not yielded one terrorist yet.

GUTFELD: We don't know that.

(CROSSTALK)

RIVERA: How do we not know? How can we not know?

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: You say they always get to be right. You can't prove it. But then if you do prove it, you can't say that.

(CROSSTALK)

RIVERA: . secret for national security reasons, perhaps?

BOLLING: Come on.

GUILFOYLE: Why would they while the investigation is going on? That's the bottom-line. I want to piggyback something off of what Dana said about 2 percent of republican women, the other poll which is republicans -- we talked about this yesterday. Support for the NSA renewal process party line. We are not just talking about (inaudible) Conservatives, Republicans
73 percent, Conservatives 66, Dems 63, Moderates 63, Independents, 65, and almost reaching a majority with liberals across the United States of America at 48 percent. Those are the facts.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: And changed the Patriot Act according to the Hill.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: And just so you know, it's coming.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Think about this for one second. Harvard did a study and tracked the same way the NSA takes the metadata and they found -- they can find out these things.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Who is calling the suicide hotline? Who is calling the Substance Abuse Council?

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: I'm simply saying there are a lot of things that you may not want in e-mails else knowing.

PERINO: Calling an abortion provider? Are you serious?

GUILFOYLE: President Obama is touting his legacy again. What he's taking credit for now, if you can believe it, next on The Five.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: In 2008, President Obama promised to restore America's standing in the world. Now, he says he can check that box.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: When I came into office, the United States, in world opinion, ranked below China and just barely above Russia. And today, once again, the United States is the most respected country on earth. And part of that, I think, is because of the work that we did to re-engage the world and say that we want to work with you as partners, with mutual interests and mutual respect.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: OK. So that's what he said. Greg, better to be liked or respected?

GUTFELD: Well, you know what? Neither. This is not your goal as a world leader, to be respected by the world. The goal for an American president is to be the safest, most prosperous and most feared. Respect is for the dead.

When he said "respected," what he really meant was humbled. To him, a humbled America is superior to a brash one. He's raised on the idea that America is Goliath, not David. And he's wrong. We've always been David.
We've been fighting Goliaths since we were a country.

But the progressive evil is about breaking with tradition. The idea that America is exceptional is poisonous, but they don't have a replacement for it. They don't know what a world would be like without America, but they don't give a damn.

RIVERA: America is David, as opposed to Goliath?

GUTFELD: Yes. How could it not be? The freest country. Where everyone -
- nobody is waiting to get into line in Goliath's pants.

GUILFOYLE: Wow.

PERINO: Speak for yourself.

GUTFELD: But they're waiting in line to get into Americas, all around the world, my friend.

RIVERA: I'm trying to visualize that.

GUTFELD: The line is longer than...

RIVERA: I don't think the president is very well-regarded in Iraq or in Libya or...

PERINO: But he's doing well in Iran.

BOLLING: How's he doing in Israel or Saudi Arabia?

RIVERA: Well, I mean...

PERINO: I had a poll. Can I show you a poll? OK, let's take a look at this. Favorability of the U.S. Pew Research Center. This is just from last month. So we have a favorability of 10 percent in Egypt, 12 percent in Jordan, 19 percent in Turkey. But it actually -- 50 percent in China.
I actually am thinking that's good. We need China to like us, in my opinion.

GUTFELD: Well, you know why they like him, because he's a pushover.

PERINO: And in Russia, which is about to make a move over there.

I actually think that also, Kimberly...

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

PERINO: ... that the stress on the international system from the Ed Snowden revelations actually did hurt America's standing and ability to get cooperation in international matters.

GUILFOYLE: Well, because the problem is, people don't trust us. So what if they don't like us? I'm not worried about that. OK, I would prefer, yes, that they have the respect with a significant amount of fear to know that if you are a bad actor, there will be consequences, meaningful consequences.

I don't like the full isolationist attitude. I think that's somebody who's always taking a back seat and isn't -- isn't going to stand up for the right thing, for justice throughout the world. To have a more global view, to say we do care about what's going on around the world; whether it's Boko Haram or Christians being beheaded in the Mideast, that should matter. You should be troubled as the commander in chief of the United States of America, the greatest power and most benevolent country.

Who does everybody go to when they need humanitarian aid, when there's crisis and floods and ravage across the world? You come to the United States, and we answer those calls proudly and consistently.

So when did we become a country that has to go on bended knee and be humbled and ashamed and, you know, flog ourselves out of some kind of bizarre thing that American exceptionalism is dirty.

RIVERA: I think that self-flagellation stuff is way overblown. I don't think...

GUILFOYLE: Overrated?

RIVERA: ... the United States flagellates, you know.

GUILFOYLE: Well, take a look around. Take a look around lately.

RIVERA: I don't think that happened. We want strength. We want strength, quiet strength, dignity. We want an economic model that spreads prosperity and...

PERINO: And one of the things there that's been difficult for President Obama to convince the Congress on both side. There's more Republicans for it, but on trade and economic situations, we still can't even get that across.

BOLLING: Trade is important, but I will tell you the thing that is looming large for President Obama is if Iran -- if he does make a deal with Iran to get that bomb, this will be one of his -- one of the worst decisions.
Going down as his worst decision on a whole litany of bad decisions he's made, because I think the next president is going to have to take that away from him. I think they're going to have to apply the sanctions and make sure that Iran doesn't get the bomb. Think about what happens...

GUILFOYLE: Do you agree with that?

BOLLING: ... if Iran gets the bomb. Just very quickly, Saudi Arabia is going to want it. There are other countries, Jordan. There are countries in the Middle East who demand we make sure they get the bomb.

RIVERA: Saudi Arabia already has a bomb, and it's called the Pakistan army.

BOLLING: Well, OK. Perhaps or not, but they'll want their own bomb, too, Geraldo. And so will -- and so will...

RIVERA: I want the president to be respected in our cities before they blow up this stuff.

GUILFOYLE: That's a good point.

BOLLING: We will make the Middle East a bomb -- a nuclear arsenal, because he decides to let Iran get a bomb. This is -- is going to happen.

PERINO: I'm going to wrap it up. I told you I was going to tell you my theory on this.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

PERINO: I think one of the reasons that President Obama feels like he can make that claim, and this is legitimate for the people that he surrounds himself with, is climate change and the re-engagement on climate change.
Even if you're not doing anything about it, if you talk nice about it, people will like you.

GUTFELD: Uh-huh.

PERINO: That's what it's about.

Graduation ceremonies can be long and boring at times. But a class of 2015 spiced it up with a performance that you're going to want to stay tuned to
see, coming up. "The Fastest Seven" is next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BOLLING: Welcome back. Time for...

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(MUSIC)

GRAPHIC: Fastest 7

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BOLLING: Well, they tell me it's the fastest six minutes on television.
Three jocose stories, seven jacked minutes, one jocular host.

First up, Elon Musk the billionaire entrepreneur, electric car maker, spaceship owner, was asked last year on "60 Minutes" about his sputtering SpaceX business model.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ELON MUSK, ENTREPRENEURS: We were running on fumes at that point. We had virtually had no money.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So a fourth failure...

MUSK: Yes, it's bad enough to have three strikes. I mean, four strikes, it's really caput.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But flight four was flawless. In Musk's world, it lift the darkness.

MUSK: That's the call that told us that we won the one-and-a-half-billion- dollar contract, and I couldn't even hold the phone. I just blurted out, "I love you guys."

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BOLLING: Oh, yay. Another $1.5 billion taxpayer dollars up in space, contributing to the grand total of your hardworking bucks of a staggering
$5 billion worth of government largesse -- Dana.

PERINO: You know I don't like this. And in particular, because I'm for basic research, and I'm for the government funding, basically, since I would give it to the universities and say knock yourselves out, figure out whatever you want to do with it.

I am not for giving it to him and, in particular, with the Tesla vehicle.
This is not going to help all of us, OK, not at least in our lifetime. The cars sell for between $100,000 and $150,000. That is not accessible to most -- well, 99 percent of Americans could never get this car.

BOLLING: And not only that, Greg, taxpayers are supporting a $7,500 tax credit. I think if you charge your car after midnight in many states, it's free.

GUTFELD: Geez Louise. If we could create a fuel that was, like, based on naive grad school beliefs, President Obama could be a power plant. We could fuel the entire country.

BOLLING: The world.

GUILFOYLE: He'd be, like, the chancellor of that, for sure, right? Yes.

This is more -- this reminds me, every time I hear something like this, I think of, like, Solyndra, which is -- like, leaves a bad taste in my mouth like the cold showers that you get...

RIVERA: I think you miss the point, though. He is getting some subsidies, it's true. He's getting about one one-thousandth of the subsidies that the fossil fuel industry is getting. And what about GM? And what about those fuel-guzzling traditional cars and all the money they've got.

BOLLING: Fossil fuel doesn't get subsidies. They get tax credits off the money they earn.

RIVERA: They get tax credits for pumping their own wells.

BOLLING: That's not a subsidy.

RIVERA: It's a proto-subsidy. What about polluting the atmosphere and not cleaning it up?

BOLLING: We've got to move on. This is "The Fastest Seven -- Six."

GUILFOYLE: "Fastest Five." (ph)

BOLLING: Next up, one of my favorite characters and a man I know and admire -- he never holds back -- Charles Barkley, was talking about Johnny "Football" Manziel, who was caught tossing a water bottle at a fan who was heckling Johnny. That's when it got interesting. Charles wondered into this discussion of how he handles annoying fans.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHARLES BARKLEY, FORMER PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL STAR (via phone): I'm not one of those people who think you've got to kiss up to the fans. If they disrespect you, I made no bones. You know, I've been arrested eight times for punching fans, and every single time, they deserved it. And I'm not going to kiss down to anybody. You know, just because I played basketball, you don't have the right to insult me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Yes, you tell them.

RIVERA: I totally agree.

GUILFOYLE: I agree with that. Are you kidding me? Don't come over here to this end of the table and mess with a Puerto Rican.

RIVERA: That's it. I'm with her.

BOLLING: How do you handle your fans?

GUTFELD: I kill them.

PERINO: ... mean.

GUTFELD: Evil. But you know what -- do you ever think about the heckler, like what is in the mind of a heckler? They can't be a married, employed father. I would say if you took 100 hecklers, 99 would be men -- sexist comment -- but 75 would be living at home with their mother. I just don't see them as winners.

PERINO: I agree.

GUTFELD: If this is where you go, you know, there has to be a sadness.

RIVERA: But if you live in -- you exist in the public sector and someone comes into your personal space, you've got to stand up for your dignity.
In Baltimore, there was a classic example of that. You didn't let someone push you around. You've got to stand your ground.

BOLLING: Do you remember the guy that tried to kiss you outside?

GUILFOYLE: Which one?

BOLLING: The security guy had to tackle this guy.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, yes.

GUTFELD: That was Lou Dobbs.

PERINO: That's never happened to me.

BOLLING: Dana, thoughts?

PERINO: No, I'm good.

BOLLING: OK, then we'll move on.

GUILFOYLE: Good luck for that.

BOLLING: We'll take Dana for this one. Finally, ready for one of the coolest videos you'll see. Check out Kahuku High School in Hawaii graduation. Last week, these seniors really prepared for this graduation, and the results, awesome.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(MUSIC: "UPTOWN FUNK" BY MARK RONSON, FEATURING BRUNO MARS)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: That video, one point -- nine minutes long, 1.3 or four million views on YouTube.

PERINO: They managed to do something that we didn't do. Is I don't remember my high school graduation at all. But they will always remember that. I might actually remember theirs, too.

BOLLING: That was pretty good.

GUTFELD: Hawaii is a wonderful island nation. I hope to visit it.

But I thought that school -- think they should be retroactively expelled.
I think school is not supposed to be fun.

GUILFOYLE: It's not supposed to be fun.

BOLLING: K.G., your thoughts on this one?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, that looks like a lot -- yes, that was going to be my "One More Thing." It was a lot more fun than my college graduation. The only thing I remember about that is that I got in trouble for talking and holding up the line. I was turning around and socializing. It was like a huge gap.

PERINO: What a shocker.

RIVERA: Better than streaking.

GUILFOYLE: Did you do that?

RIVERA: Streaking?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, no, you didn't.

RIVERA: You do it as -- you do it as...

BOLLING: You do it now. I'm afraid to open Instagram, because you're going to be shirtless.

RIVERA: You never know.

GUILFOYLE: Selfie alert. Selfie alert.

RIVERA: Eric and I are going to do it at the end of this program.

BOLLING: Oh, lord. All right. Ahead, breaking news in the FIFA corruption scandal. But first, Hillary Clinton snaps at a reporter who asks for her autograph on a campaign trail. The tape when "The Five"
returns.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

RIVERA: Hi. I'm as surprised as you are. I'm delighted to be here.
She's campaigning as a candidate for the people.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Everyday Americans need a champion, and I want to be that champion.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

RIVERA: Here's how Hillary Clinton treats some of the people turning out to support her on the campaign trail.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: If you go to the -- go to the end of the line.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

CLINTON: Why don't you go to the end of the line?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

RIVERA: End of the line. A New Hampshire voter's request to take a picture with Hillary met with that icy response. With her favorability ratings sliding, should she be working on her people skills?

I'll tell you a very quick anecdote. I've been with the Clintons much more personally than professionally. Two quick personal experiences I've had.

GUILFOYLE: Which one?

RIVERA: One was in Puerto Rico, where she was running for the Democratic primary. And I was there, and she made a beeline for me. Of course, it was, you know.

BOLLING: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

RIVERA: Behooved her. And she was really gracious.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

RIVERA: In Haiti where it was the earthquake and I was talking about the corruption of the government receiving the aid, she did everything she could to avoid me, even hiding behind a Secret Service guy. So I think that she's very skilled and manipulative in terms of dealing with the public.

GUTFELD: Can we just look at this video that we showed? She said to the woman to go to the end of the line, because that's where you get your stuff signed. She wasn't being rude.

This thing -- this is from American Rising -- is out of context. When companies do stuff like that, we no longer trust you. Because I don't know what to believe.

But if you look at the whole video, she was saying, "Oh, I'm shaking these hands. If you meet me over on the other side, you can sign it." She wasn't being rude at all.

Believe me, there are too many problems with Hillary. We don't need to do this.

GUILFOYLE: You've done this at your book signing.

GUTFELD: No, but she was being nice. She was saying that's where -- if you want to get stuff signed...

GUILFOYLE: Couldn't she have said it in a nice way?

GUTFELD: She was...

PERINO: I don't think it was bad.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: I agree with you.

BOLLING: Although, you know, we keep talking about why does she stay away from these opportunities, because it seems like, whether it's this or whether it's -- every time she opens her mouth anecdotally, something comes out where her staff says, "Uh-oh, this is what really happened; it wasn't really like that."

PERINO: Earlier -- earlier you were saying when he dropped -- not to bring up a sore subject, but earlier when we were talking about Rand Paul saying Republicans wanted a fair tax.

GUILFOYLE: ... telling him (ph).

PERINO: And then you said but he immediately walked it back, and that was his instinct. So, like, it's either legitimate for us to bring it up or not.

And I think in this case, I don't think that she was being rude. I think it was -- it's overwhelming that all of those people there. She's like, "If you meet me over there," because otherwise she's going to irritate everybody else.

RIVERA: How would you advise her in that kind of context?

PERINO: I don't think that that was that bad. But however, all is fair in love and war. And believe me, let's just say Marco Rubio becomes the nominee. How many times do you think the Democrats are going to loop his drinking of the water during his speech as a major character flaw?

RIVERA: True. Or sweating.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: Even if that is -- I don't know. I don't know the background to that. But even if that is true, that she was just saying go over there, the way she said it. It wasn't even likeable the way she said it, right?

PERINO: I don't think it was that bad.

RIVERA: But is likability...

BOLLING: Huge.

RIVERA: Huge?

BOLLING: Huge.

GUILFOYLE: I think it is. I don't -- do you think she's super warm and fuzzy?

RIVERA: No, that's -- my point was, in person, she's -- in a quiet context, I think she can -- she is quite charming.

GUILFOYLE: In a small context?

RIVERA: Small context. But in -- as I was trying to suggest, I think that in public she is very conscious of the impression that she might give and whether or not she's going to be favorably received or unfavorably received.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

RIVERA: In the Puerto Rico context, she knew it was positive. She embraced me. In the Haitian context, she knew I was skeptical. She rejected me. But that's -- I guess that's politics.

BOLLING: It's politics. They all do that. The public eye...

RIVERA: In that regard.

BOLLING: I think the most successful people are the people who are kind of the way they are on TV that they are off.

GUILFOYLE: Well, Bill Clinton's kind of like that. I mean, he's warm and engaging in a variety of different circumstances.

GUTFELD: Mm-hmm.

BOLLING: I understand Barack Obama is the same thing, too.

GUTFELD: I'm sure.

RIVERA: That editorial "Mm-hmm" is really good.

GUTFELD: You met him. Bill?

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: How was it?

GUILFOYLE: Great.

BOLLING: Can I tell a quick story?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, God.

BOLLING: What, no?

RIVERA: "One More Thing" is up next. Don't go away.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUTFELD: So we got cut off there. But Eric was just going to say that K.G. got hit on by President Clinton.

All right. Time for "One More Thing."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Greg's Sports Corner.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Yes, I love my martial arts exhibitions. There's nothing better than seeing Steven Seagal in Russia. Totally not rigged at all. Take a look at this. Not rigged at all. Taking on all comers. Look at this.
Just tossing these young men aside like little butterflies. Adorable butterflies. Look what he did over there.

Steven Seagal must be the most powerful man in the world. And then here he's going to step on the guy's head at some point. Is it over here where he steps on the guy's head? Yes. Look at that. That is just amazing. He truly is a wonderful human being.

All right. Dana, top that.

PERINO: I wonder how much he got paid for that?

All right. You want to see a cute little thing?

GUTFELD: Sure.

PERINO: OK. So Julie Arango, her phone rang on Sunday, and she didn't -- she didn't take the call, because she didn't recognize the number. And then the person called back. Turns out, her Boston terrier who had ran away seven years ago was being returned to her. And I think we have some video. This is her.

GUTFELD: He made the call?

PERINO: No, he didn't.

GUILFOYLE: This is an incredible story.

PERINO: Someone took her to a vet, and they checked the chip that she had.
That's an important thing for your animal, is you get the little tiny chip.

GUTFELD: Aaah! What's Rand Paul feel about that? Put a chip in a dog's ear?

BOLLING: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

GUTFELD: Not for the dog. The dog is like, what's going on?

PERINO: I don't know if it's covered by Section 215.

GUTFELD: All right.

PERINO: I thought it was a cute story.

GUTFELD: It is cute. Sorry I blew it. Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: I have a super cute animal situation, too. So if you like pigs
-- I do -- this is super adorable.

BOLLING: You do?

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

PERINO: You do.

GUILFOYLE: I like them. I like to eat them, too. All right, fine. Show the clip.

This is a police officer that had to go pick up a stray pig. This was in the Shelby Township in Michigan. So they were in, you know, Detroit, and this lady called. She said, "Hey, there's a pig going crazy in my back yard." So they took the pig, and the pig's like looking out, peering out the back window. And then the pig made a little poop mess.

PERINO: The taxpayers had to pay for that?

GUTFELD: Bacon in the back seat.

PERINO: Wow.

GUTFELD: Eric.

BOLLING: All right. Very quickly, FIFA president Sepp -- Sepp...

PERINO: Sepp Blatter.

BOLLING: Sepp Blatter, who won election on Friday to FIFA presidency, resigned today, said he will be resigning. No one can figure out, three days after he wins re-election, why he was resigning. According to my cool FOX News app, breaking news says that Sepp Blatter is now -- reportedly under investigation by U.S. officials. I guess that would lend to it. He had no idea how big this corruption scandal is going to get.

GUILFOYLE: Of course he did. With a name like that, it sounds like...

GUTFELD: Got to get to Geraldo. First "One More Thing."

RIVERA: I was deeply touched by the president's decision with Pentagon urging Congress also involved to recognize two veterans, two Medal of Honor winners from World War I almost 100 years ago.

PERINO: Wow.

RIVERA: One of them black, Private Henry Johnson, who fought with the Harlem Hellfighters. The other Jewish, Sergeant William Shemin. Two men whose conspicuous gallantry was overlooked, largely because of discrimination that existed in the armed forces during -- during that period.

Right on, Mr. President. You did the right thing for two great heroes.

GUTFELD: All right. That's it for us. "Special Report" is next.

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