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Baltimore police: 7 officers injured, one 'unresponsive'

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," April 27, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: This is a Fox News alert. You see (ph)
live as the tensions in Baltimore continue to escalate with protesters,
hurling projectiles and advancing against the police force that at times
looks overmatched. The demonstrators (ph) are angry over the death of
Freddie Gray, who died while on police custody last week. Shep Smith has
been monitoring all the developments form the Fox News deck and joins us
now with the very latest. Shep, watching these pictures, you can't help but
feel the city on the verge of exploding into a -- I don't know, a blaze of
violence.

SHEPARD SMITH, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: If it -- if they don't get it under
control, that is the fear of our law enforcement analysts. I want to go
straight to the wall, because we're watching live pictures. We've been
showing you these as they are looting at a CVS gas -- a CVS pharmacy and
lots of people have been in and out of there. It's our understanding that
they were able to get this thing closed before the looters and rioters came
in. You'll, you'll remember that all of this began this morning when the
police in Baltimore got word of a (inaudible) online. A (inaudible) is
basically a flyer that is put online. Sometimes they are about birthday
wishes, sometimes they are about rioting. Today, they called a purge
demonstration. The purge is a movie about -- if all the laws were were
suddenly gone and what people would do, so they said it's gonna be a purge.
This went out to school students and school students -- they said at 3
o'clock, the purge begins.

Well, as our afternoon at 3' o'clock Eastern Time began, sure enough
students started to arrive, as did cops in riot gear. Initially, what we
saw was a few people throwing -- looked like brick bats or small rocks and
in some cases large rocks at an up armored vehicle of the police
department. And these sort of -- this is live now outside of a Midas store,
you can see a line of officers here with riot gear. They, they showed up
and they were kind of walling off the streets as these demonstrators,
mostly kids, according to the authorities, were throwing rocks at this
vehicle and it just escalated. The police were trying not to back down but
they went out with -- injured, ended up injuring one on the early going
(ph), one with broken bones and another unconscious after that and not
responding. Now we know seven police officers at minimum are injured,
that's the word from the police just a short time ago. And so far, the
demonstrators really do not appear to be backing down. Stay right there
Nina, you'll see that they are still inside of this CVS station. A lot of
these businesses had closed down on warnings from police. Now why these
warnings went out, we really don't know. But we know about the stores that
began to close at 1 o'clock this afternoon Eastern that a part of the
university closed down and others in this neighborhood and the Mondawmin
neighborhood, the Mondawmin Mall closed at 1 o'clock. So all these students
are here in this neighborhood, you can see some rocks and brick that are
being thrown outside the CVS and subway station. All of these businesses
are closed. So the students are throwing the rocks and the police are,
without any question outmanned, some of them don't have riot gear, they
don't have -- they don't have shields so they are staying behind the ones
who do have shields and the kids are coming at them so hard that they are
backing the police now. Now at this point, the police were not returning
flyer or trying to arrest anyone or anything, they were not given an order
to do so clearly, they did not do so. It appeared just form the -- from the
aerial shot, this, this particular view has gone dark now but we do have
other things we can put back here. We -- form other pictures, it was clear
that the police were being run backed. So once they reorganized, there was
pepper spray, the police later came up and said they would see this sort of
thing, pepper spray and other things to disperse the crowds. And the
protests broke out of course, after the funeral for Freddie Gray. Now
police are not tying this together, but -- I mean -- it is what it is. The
family's attorney says, that this man's neck was broken, Freddie Gray,
nearly snapped after cops arrested him. Now 15 days ago, there's still no
word at all from officials on what happened, but we know this, we know that
he got into a van, was transported by police and over that 30-minute
period, he walked into the van, he came out and according to his attorney,
his, his spine was almost, completely severed and he died now a week ago
yesterday. So he died on Sunday, eight days ago. Many of the demonstrator's
today protesters are juveniles as we expected after this (inaudible) went
out. We've been watching the protestors threw huge rocks and bricks at
police.

In one instance we saw a number of officers retaliating by throwing the
rocks back at the crowd, but never any, any gunfire that we saw. A law
enforcement source tells Fox News, the FBI is watching this, and closely.
What one group of demonstrators trashed a cop car, you may have seen this.
They jumped on the roof and beat the windshield and the windows and
eventually SWAT crews responded in some sort of armored truck. And at least
one of those demonstrators, there's the officers arrived in that armored
truck -- they chased off some of the protesters, arrested one of them --
caught him, tackled him to the ground.

And making the situation even more tense, the Baltimore Police Department
today reported that a credible threat that rival gangs were teaming up to,
quote, "take out cops." Three different rival gangs teaming up, if so,
maybe unprecedented, certainly it's highly unusual, because these different
gangs fight for turf and the rest among themselves, for them to team up
would be something brand new. Police also report crowds looting at least
one store here. Of course, I've been showing you the CVS, now another live
picture outside that CVS. Police folks and reporters called for calm, a
spokesman warned that they would be using tear gas and pepper spray and
others to break up the crowds, and they have already been using pepper
spray, we've seen it. Many of the businesses in downtown Baltimore
reportedly closed early out of fears for the safety of their workers and
their owners and now you can see -- it's become a bit of a field day for
the lawless who, who frankly should be in jail for this sort of thing.

Which brings us back to the beginning and that is there's been no
understanding of why the Baltimore police have not come forward with the
details of what happened to Freddie Gray. Freddie Gray was initially
accused of making eye contact with one of the police officers and here's
Freddie Gray, 25-year-old man who was not accused of any crime, because
looking at a police officer is not a crime. Even in Baltimore. Running from
the police after that, after having apparently done nothing wrong, at least
according the police, it's also not a crime, and yet -- according to Judge
Napolitano, the crime -- the arrest would have been an illegal arrest. That
said, they did take him away in this van and when he got out of the van, he
had what his attorney called a severed spine. And Freddie Gray, on Sunday -
- last Sunday, not yesterday, but the Sunday before, died. Saturday night,
night before last, there were demonstrations which caused a lot of damage.
There were riots, if you will, in the streets there in Baltimore. The
family of Freddie Gray called for calm as they were holding this memorial
service for him this morning, asked for no violence and please allows them
to grieve. Instead, this (inaudible) went out, if it's connected and it is,
and then the rioting began. About 3:15, 3:20 Eastern Time, so close to two
hours ago now. The demonstrators have said from the beginning, what
happened to Freddie Gray. Baltimore police have been suspended a handful of
-- a police officer actually put on an administrative leave with pay, but
there has been no explanation for how a man accused of -- of looking at and
then running from police officers, ended up dead.

BOLLING: Shep, quick question, we need to make note that Mayor Stephanie
Rawlings-Blake at one point said, let's -- they told direct to the police,
to give the protesters some space to -- I believe she said to destroy
property if they want to do that, destroy, give them room. Is this a
response to that?

SMITH: You know, no. That was after this. It's my understanding. My guess
is -- and it's just a guess -- that that's the statement that the mayor is
going to regret. It's been widely condemned by (inaudible) on our air and
really across all platforms, as I've been watching over the last hour and
out team has here. That, that's certainly not what law -- what mayors and
law enforcement officers are supposed to do, any more than these people
whom are watching here are supposed to be up inside the CVS and taking what
appears to be everything that they can out of the store. It all goes back
to though, the arrest of, of Freddie Gray, and the lack of information
about his death and almost a complete information shutdown from the
Baltimore Police Department. They fear this sort of thing, that's why they
send out the memos for people not to be -- for people to close down in this
particular neighborhood today, but what they did not do is put the state
police on standby. The state police was on standby yesterday, Sunday, after
the violence happened on Saturday night. They were not on standby today and
it was 100 percent cleared. Anyone who was watching these aerials earlier
today, that when police came out in their riot gear, they were not prepared
to arrest. We say this because they did not arrest and they were overrun by
these crowds and the early going. Then our -- one of our own contributors,
who knows Baltimore -- Maryland State Police said, they were activated
sometime in the 4 o'clock hour, so the last hour, and seen going downtown
very quickly to try to have a larger presence. They clearly did not have
enough people and they were not prepared fully for what happened today.

JULIE ROGINSKY, GUEST CO-HOST: Shep, do the National Guard get
activated or they talked and the governor talking about activating the
National Guard at this point?

SMITH: Well, we have looked -- we have reached out for the governor's --
team, still nothing from the governor's tweet, right? Nothing? We have
nothing from the governor's tweet at this moment. That is not to say that
they won't be activated. It certainly makes sense that they would be
activated. The National Guard is to come in at times of unrest and provide
-- provide safety, provide cover to clear the streets so that the residents
of this area, many of them -- I am confident are in great fear right now.
So those, those residents can, can feel a sense of safety within their own
homes. That's the job of government and police and the rest, to keep people
safe and, and clearly we're in a position right now where riots have --
have engulfed at least this part of Baltimore and at least at this moment
they are not under control.

STACEY DASH, GUEST CO-HOST: Shep, this is Stacey. Do you think that
in light of the -- negative national spotlight on law enforcement, this is
why the police they're -- the police are having such a slow response to
this?

SMITH: Well, I would have to guess on a matter like that, which is what
here on the news deck. We do not do -- what I can tell you are police did
respond in very, very large numbers. We counted hundreds of police
officers, but those police officers, when they moved on to try to disperse
these children, there were only three or four of them were doing things at
the very beginning. When police moved, the crowds grew very quickly. Now
remember, they shut down the subway station in this area. That's what
students in Baltimore do not take a little yellow school bus. Students in
Baltimore get on city buses and they get on city public transportation.
Well all of that public transportation was shut down. So after school,
there was nowhere for these kids to go, there they were in large numbers.
Which came first? The chicken or the egg? Did the cops instigate the kids
or did the kids taunt the cops? Or what is it some (inaudible). We don't
have a way to know that. I'm confident there will be an investigation into
that. But what we have now is widespread lawlessness. We have buildings
being looted, we have seven police officers hurt, at last word, one of them
unresponsive and that's never a good thing to hear, and now lines of police
officers, as witnessed here, shutting down major streets over one of
America's most historic cities, a city where -- that has had problems in
these neighborhoods for decades now. The complaints of the -- of the
underprivileged in this neighborhood have -- largely gone unheard,
according to the people in this neighborhoods for many years, one in four
young residents of this, of this according to statistics cited earlier here
on this channel, are in one way or another incarcerated. So they have
serious problems in this neighborhood. That the state police were not
activated and the National Guard was not on scene after promises of
violence is a matter for police investigation not the speculation to make.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Shep, it's Kimberly. Look, it
Obviously, it appears that this situation went terribly wrong from the
outset. You mentioned something that I think it's significant, which is
whether or not there was probable cause for this arrest to begin with. To
me, I'm not seeing anything that justifies the fact that the police tried
to take him in. He said that he made -- they made eye contact and then rode
away on his bicycle. So then therefore, what's the nexus for the police to
them pursue him, shackle him, the video that people -- (inaudible)
witnesses were able to shoot, showing that he was in distress, dragging his
feet, suggesting that he couldn't walk or was having some kind serious
medical situation, this is where the whole case lies on, whether or not
they had even justified cause to bring him in.

SMITH: Well, these are outstanding questions, none of which has produced an
answer from anyone involved in authority in the city of Baltimore. They say
they are still investigating. Well, they have half dozen police officers
who are on administrative leave, presumably they've tried to get
information from them. There are many questions about why no authorities
have been arrested in this matter. Judge Andrew Napolitano came out in the
very early going of this and said, based on his knowledge of the law, this
arrest -- if it was what they reported it to be -- and that's all we can go
on from an arrest -- was absolutely illegal.

GUILFOYLE: Correct.

SMITH: And whoever went took -- whoever took it upon himself or herself to
mean to affect those arrests, did so illegally. So just the arrest itself
would be cause for discipline.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

SMITH: Beyond that, how he ended up dead after being in the back of a
police car -- keep in mind, when the government takes you away, when the
government takes control of you, you -- the government is now responsible
for your health and welfare, because you're shackled.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

SMITH: And under the control of the government. And during that period that
the government is controlling you, American citizens should reasonably be
able to believe that law enforcement will take care of the very minimal
things of your well-being. That you would be fed regularly, that you would
be housed regularly, you'll be out in the elements and you will not be
subjected to any sort of negative treatment. After all, if -- at the very,
very minimum, you're a suspect, instead, he got out of the control of the
government and suddenly his spine was severed, according to his attorney,
and eight days ago he died. Which leads us to today, with thousands and
thousands of people who do not have any answers, who have not seen any
justice, who have absolutely no idea what happened to this man except for
the knowledge that it happened while he was in government custody. And, and
that -- that's the, that's the beginning of this. It's not the end. What
we're seeing today is a bunch of hoodlums, in some cases. I'm watching the
corner of the CVS, as they, as they are coming out hands full. This reminds
me Kimberly, of the, of the mid days of the crisis after Katrina. When,
when everything was being looted and it wasn't the good people of New
Orleans who had, who had been victimized in many ways, it was hoodlums who
went out and saw a field day. So there's some of that here, but the anger
began way before Freddie Gray. The anger in Baltimore and distrust of the
police officers, especially in this under privilege neighborhood is not new
at all. But the lack of forthcoming on the part of authorities, on details
of what happened to someone like 25-year-old Freddie Gray, who have been
charged with looking at them and riding away from them and later lost his
life, that sort of thing has not ever been addressed, according to people
in this neighborhood. So some of them are taking matters into their own
hands and it's mighty ugly to see.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Shep, it's Gutfeld. I like -- I don't
know anything other than what I'm seeing right now and what I see, looks
like a load of fun, a fun night of chaos and looting and excuse to destroy.
To me, at this point, this is not about Freddie. It's about opportunity.
These are people that are out there taking advantage of a horrible
situation. My question to you is how wide is this area of conflict? We are
looking at the same -- is this happening in other places?

SMITH: We -- you know what, we can't know Greg, it's what is happening
bigger picture. We've asked authorities on all levels, we heard from the
police a short time ago, who said that they couldn't give us an idea of how
many people were here, but I can tell you that the crowds were tiny when we
first were reporting on this. It was kids who had gotten out of school and
as it exploded first on social media, then on Baltimore television and
radio, then on national television and radio, the crowds grew and they grew
quickly and they grew in great numbers. Are there hundreds? Absolutely. Are
there thousands? I don't know. Does it spread beyond this neighborhood? We
have no reports that indicate that it has spread to other parts of
Baltimore that, for now at least it's confined to this neighborhood. But
history tells us, once you've, once you've screwed things up where you
live, they often go to other areas. Just ask people in Los Angeles. If the
authorities cannot mass enough people to contain this violence before the
sun goes down in Baltimore tonight, the car that you see burning on the --
on the side streets right now will be the least of our problems because, in
every single instance of social unrest, in my third -- 25 years in this, in
this business, if you get to nightfall and they are not contained, it's
gonna be a long night.

BOLLING: Shep, a couple of numbers, the -- the police department there is
40 -- I'm sorry, 41 percent African-American. The police commissioner is
African-American and so is the mayor there. And also we've just -- we've
heard about two hours ago the Baltimore Orioles said the game is still on
at that point. You seem some of these pictures -- I'm guess we should stand
by and maybe expect some cancellations and some closings? That, that --
that wouldn't surprise me at all, because they have to maintain the safety
of the people who were involved here and it's not -- not just people who go
to these events but its people who participate in these events and it goes
-- it's like the no smoking rule inside businesses. You know, it's, it's
not about the patriots, it's about those who have to be there. So at some
point, they'll have to make some decisions. Hopefully, they can get things
under control but, what you see a distinct lack of, in this pictures no
matter where the camera pans is law enforcement. I would guess that what
law enforcement is now doing is massing, to try to take this matter on,
getting, getting everything together to get in there so that they can take
(inaudible) and there they are. Some live pictures of the police who are
having line up right now, you can see a man in charge to explain to them
what's about to go down and they will go in with the kind of training that
they've had over many years and hopefully, be able to tamp this down. But
you -- you mentioned those African-American and Caucasian and other
statistics. The people here say and have been saying since this happened.
This is not about black and white as it is much as it is about haves and
have-not. That the haves get away -- the haves don't have trouble and the
have-not do have trouble. That's what they have been saying. I can only
report to you what, what they have been telling.

GUTFELD: Well, it looks like the have-nots are --

SMITH: They are getting.

DASH: They are getting.

(CROSSTALK)
BOLLING: African-American. I'm not -- are you seeing -- is it -- it's
obviously predominantly African-American --

SMITH: It is predominantly African-American community and predominantly
African-American people here, but if we want to create larger racial
tensions on the heels of this and all the recent African-American problems
that we've seen, then we can do that. But if we'd like to look at this as a
history of people having problem with police, not people of a color but
people in a community who have had problems with police, are there big
problems in that community with lawlessness? There are. The people who were
there will tell you in many cases, that's about poverty and lack of
opportunity and being put down by the man. That's what they have said all
along. If we want to turn this as the nation into something that will rile
up the racist, then we can do that. But it, it seems proven to listen to
the two sides who are more (inaudible), this is about you have a way, we
don't have a way. And then once you get to this point, where you get no
answers for eight days after a man died, for looking at somebody -- eight
days later, people almost feel like they have a license to ill. Well,
today, they took that license to ill and we can only hope that police
officers and juveniles don't end up dead.

GUTFELD: That sounds really disturbing to me. It's almost though as you are
justifying this actions --

SMITH: I am in no way justifying anything. I'm telling you that if you
forget history --

GUTFELD: I don't forget history. I'm looking at --

SMITH: If you forget where I come from --

GUTFELD: I'm looking at something that is really ugly right now.

SMITH: It is ugly. And history tells us that when a group of people feel so
helpless --

GUTFELD: They don't riot when they feel helpless. Not everybody riots that.

SMITH: It is eventually (ph) -- that they don't. But eventually, history
tells us, they do. That's what is happening in all of the social up rises
across this country. The bad days, when we look at this rioting, that's
about people coming in to take advantage of a situation. But the situation,
the argument can be made, would never have happened. Had they gotten some
answers about how a man in government custody, in this particular incident,
ended up dead instead of not under arrest. That's what presents them with
this opportunity. Today, they have their opportunity and authorities were
not ready to stop it and the mayor came up and said, let's give them some
space to do what they do. Well, you know, here we are. And now -- but now
it's about to be real serious.

DASH: Basically, give them space to just -- lawlessness?

SMITH: That -- that is what the made the mayor said --

DASH: Let the people --

SMITH: And I'm guessing the mayor will long regret that.

BOLLING: All right. Doug -- we're gonna to -- Shep, thank you very much.
Standby, we're gonna go -- go to Doug Mckelway who is on, on the ground in
Baltimore. Go ahead Doug.

DOUGH MCKELWAY, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: OK. Yeah, Eric, here we are at the
intersection of Woodbrook and Queensfall (ph) road. This city is an
absolute mess right now. As you may known or may have heard, lot of
businesses let out early. The University of Maryland, Baltimore City campus
was closed today. Police have been cordoning off a lot of roadways -- but
those people who have work or in their offices are headed home and -- and
the city is an absolute gridlock. We've come across several road blocks and
have been unable to get to the CVS where that looting was occurred, but we
did manage to convince some place all of us just to let go to this location
where we are now, and as I look around me, I can see a line of it, probably
100 to 200 police officers all in riot gear about 100 feet from where I'm
now standing. There's a small fire burning in the middle of the road. This
is not a car. It's just a fire that's been set in the middle of the road.
People are beginning to come out of the row houses here. Many of them are
very, very agitated. Many of them looking at us and sort of laughing. It's
a -- tense situation here and as much as the Freddie Gray situation has
sparked, this is from what I've been able to determine, from the people
I've spoken to, it's something that has been simmering for years and years
and years. I spoke to an old man at the funeral today, just pulled him
aside. He was -- he was a bystander, he had no relationship with the family
or anything. I asked what do you, what do you think about the police
officers in Baltimore City? He lives in an assisted living center and he is
66-years-old. He let loose with a volley of profanity. He said this has all
been going on since the early 2000s. I believe -- I didn't ask him
particularly about the time frame or the control -- he mentioned a police
commissioner but I couldn't make out -- police commissioner who that was at
the time. But he said that during that time -- I think it was under the
administration of Martin O'Malley, a very aggressive policing began to take
hold. And his neighborhood, an African-American community throughout the
city, very aggressive policing, basically meant that if you were an
African-American male, you were stopped anywhere, any time for anything.
You come out of the store with the bag of groceries, it make you stop, open
your bag of groceries to find out what it is in it, he told me about one
occasion where he was leaving his house to go to work, he was taking pain
medication at the time, had he a prescription which required him to take
four pills a day, and rather than take the full prescription bottle with
him to work every day. He would wrap for the pills, he was prescribe to
take in a small tissue and put it in his pocket. He said the police officer
came up to search and frisked him out of the blue, saw the four pills --
immediately, immediately strap the handcuffs on him and carted him off to
jail and he told me how he spent the next nine months trying to get out of
jail and eventually, in a court appearance -- the case was all trashed
(ph). I spoke to a few different people today who let -- not the similar
stories. The anger, the resentment is palpable here. And as I look around
me and seeing people coming out of their houses --

BOLLING: Doug --

MCKELWAY: A lot of people --

BOLLING: I just want to get in here. I'm seeing a lot of police officers --
couple pictures of police lining up. We see protesters are still going into
the street. Do you see a police presence there? A lot of people are --

MCKELWAY: Yes --

BOLLING: Which there are a lot of people --

(CROSSTALK)
MCKELWYA: But --

BOLLING: Go ahead.

MCKELWAY: Yeah. About 100 feet from where I am, there is a line of -- I
should say -- 100, 150, maybe, police officer each of them with billy
clubs, a riot gear on. They are blocking a split roadway with a median
strip. This was not a main throughout there, but it is a busy roadway.
Traffic is being diverted around. Police are just blocking all lanes of
traffic here. And as I said earlier, just (inaudible) burning the
(inaudible) road, (inaudible) debris, people are (inaudible). And then as I
look further beyond it's (inaudible) police officers maybe, a quarter mile
of away, I see another line of police officers, also equipped with riot
gear, blocking roads and this was not a typical of some of the scenes that
we've seen as we left downtown. We originally, began having left the
funeral. To go to the city hall downtown, because we expected that that's
where -- somebody just threw a brick at me. Sorry. I'm taking some cover
behind a car. It's just kind of an unpredictable situation here. You can
see the anger in people's faces and you know it just takes one spark to set
things off.

GUILFOYLE: It does -- soon as they get them background, like some contacts
to the situation --

MCKELWYA: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: What the viewers are seeing at home on the screen and addition
to the reports that you are giving. There is a real credible threat that
has developed at this hour --

MCKELWAY: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: To the police department. The police department and the Criminal
Intelligence Unit specifically, had obtained information, specifying that
members of various gangs, including the black guerrilla family, bloods and
cribs had entered into a partnership to take out law enforcement officers.
So that is the backdrop. Separate in this station of timeline of what
happened to Freddie Gray --

MCKELWAY: That is the backdrop. Yes it is and --

GUILFOYLE: But this is what happening right now and the information that
they are operating under and that's why they have on riot gear and that's
why they are out, because you have people, actually engaging in violent
acts against the police department --

MCKELWYA: Yes you do.

GUILFOYLE: Which isn't gonna do anything to bring Freddie Gray back.

MCKELWAY: And what you have here -- that I'm glad you brought that up,
because what the situation is is an absolutely adversarial relationship.
There is no cooperation here between the police and many --

DASH: And that's not going to bring about justice.

MCKELWAY: No. No it's not. It's not. It's a standoff. The police officers,
when they leave their homes to go to work -- are afraid. You can understand
this fear that they have. And -- God forbid, should any other citizen be
injured in these kinds of standoffs that we're watching right now. You
know, it'd gonna coma back to haunt the police officers, so these guys are
under tremendous pressure. They are getting it from both ends. They are
getting it from people who are throwing bricks at them and they are getting
it form the hierarchy and the leadership, the city to say, lay back.

(CROSSTALK)
GUTFELD: They are also getting it from the media.

MCKELWAY: Of what the situation would be -- I'm sorry?

GUTFELD: They are also getting it from the media.

MCKELWAY: And they are also getting it from the media. And so you see this
sort of a standoff and -- adversarial is the best way I can describe it,
and it is tense. It's incredibly tense.

ROGINSKY: Doug, where, where is this in relation to them in the harbor? I
know people who really know Baltimore in the harbor academy yards, where is
this, because of somebody pointed out there is stuff going on downtown
today, and if these protesters want to spread that to Camden yards that's
in within the harbor --

MCKELWAY: Right.

ROGINSKY: How far is --

(CROSSTALK)
MCKELWAY: . we're at Druid Hill Park and I'm not real familiar with the
city of Baltimore. I would estimate we are how far from the inner harbor?
We are probably what? Two -- I'm asking a gentleman here -- four or five
miles from inner harbor from where we are.

ROGINSKY: You're really pretty far -- you're really far --

MCKELWAY: Yeah.

ROGINSKY: From where to you are there.

MCKELWAY: But you know on Saturday, on Saturday the protest march that
erupted in violence, moved towards the inner harbor and that's where a
factions of the protester broke off and started breaking windows in the
inner harbor right there. And I spoke to a police officer on route to the
location where we are right now, was at another road block and I said,
where -- how far are we from CVS that's being looted. And he said I didn't
even know that there was a CVS being looted. I can tell you that there are
several outbreaks of violence happening across the city. So it's -- there
are pockets of violence, their minor outbreaks, larger outbreaks of
violence to the city and it appears to be kind of spontaneous, not well-
coordinated and it certainly includes more than just that CVS that was
being looted. The (inaudible) --

ROGINSKY: Doug, it's Julie again. Have the police - since you've gotten
there, attempted to engage the protesters at all? Have they? Or they are
just --

MCKELWAY: No.

ROGINSKY: On the standby.

MCKELWAY: No, no, no. No, they're, they are standing off and the protesters
are standing a good distance away from them. I'm -- I'm with residents. I'm
standing by a line of row houses right here. People are coming out of their
houses. That's where somebody just threw a brick or some kind of a -- what
was it? I just heard it land at my feet. It's glass. But we're, we are
standing about 150 feet from where the police are and, and there is no
intermingling of the two.

BOLLING: Doug, I want to just jump in here very quickly. Baltimore Police
-- Baltimore P.D. just tweeted. They're asking parents to bring their
children home, bring them -- get them inside the house. They don't want
kids hurt.

MCKELWAY: And yes, that's an important factor, because I know that Shep
was earlier mentioned this meme that went out which may have sparked the
afternoon violence. He said it began about 3:15. That is also the time,
bear in mind, that schools went out here in Baltimore city. So a lot of
these young kids who were seen looting the CVS store, probably I would say,
it's safe to say, they had probably just gotten out of school.

GUTFELD: Hey, Doug, I'm curious. I don't know Baltimore very well. The
mayor had said something stupid about establishing a safe space for people
to riot. Where does she live? Is she far from that safe space? Is a safe
space ever going to be close to encroaching her streets or where she might
live or shop?

MCKELWAY: I have no idea. I don't know her personally. I don't know
anything about her except for what she said Saturday night after the
rioting there in that small section of the Inner Harbor.

GUTFELD: Right.

MCKELWAY: And I suspect that she probably regrets those words very, very
much. But at the same time, she is probably reflecting the attitude of a
lot of her constituents.

GUTFELD: You're not supposed to reflect the constituents. You're supposed
to inspire them.

MCKELWAY: Well, that may be. That may be.

GUILFOYLE: And lead them.

MCKELWAY: And as I said, I think she'll probably -- if she's not already
regretting those comments, will grow to regret them.

BOLLING: All right, Doug, stand by. We're going to go back to Shep and
the news desk here at FOX News. Shep, you have more? OK.

SMITH: We've been getting -- we just got reports from the state police
that they are sending in backups and, frankly, the numbers were surprising
to us. The state police are sending in 42 backups right away with 40 more
to follow later to help control all of this. So 82 state police will be
there at some point before the day is over. That's -- that is a drop in
the bucket.

BOLLING: Where's the other zero at the end of that, Shep, or maybe two
zeroes after those numbers?

SMITH: They didn't indicate. But you know, they clearly -- by their
actions, we know that they believe something was up. A police department
does not warn a mall to close early.

BOLLING: Yes.

SMITH: Or a university campus to close at 1 p.m., which it did, without
believing something was coming. The police department monitors the social
media. That's how the police department pulled up this meme, which is in
Bat 6 (ph) if the control room can pull it up.

This is the meme -- Bat 8 (ph), I'm sorry. This is Bat 6 (ph). That's
tweets. And this is the meme, the online flyer that went out, "All high
schools, Monday at 3, we going to purge." Again, purge a reference to a
movie about when there was no -- the laws all break down. "From Mondawmin"
-- that's this mall I was talking about -- "to the Avenue. Back to
downtown." So that's -- that's what they did.

So they had a heads up, and the police were out there. There just weren't
enough police to handle what happened. And you wonder if part of the
reason they didn't have enough police is because they shut down the subway
station for fear of violence. Well, that's how the kids get home. And
they quit sending the buses, for fear of violence, but that's how the kids
get home. So after school, the kids were right there. A few of them
started throwing rocks and bottles and brickbats at this armored car, and
it escalated. And we're here now.

ROGINSKY: Shep, it's Julie. Where -- you know, this has been going on, as
you mentioned, for over a week now. Where has the governor been on this?
Because he's a brand-new governor. People talked about earlier about
Louisiana. I remember the governor of Louisiana in Katrina got in some hot
water for not taking lead on this. Where's Governor Hogan been on all
this?

SMITH: Well, you know, Governor Hogan is not out here today. We haven't
heard from him today. As the chopper pans, we've been able see in -- at
street after street, the police are blocking streets that are not yet part
of the violence. So they've shut down all of the traffic away from this.

So we moved what appeared to me to be 10 to 12 blocks. Our viewers watched
it along with us as the chopper panned. So now we're in another
neighborhood. You can see there's a police car in the center of your
screen that has been broken into, and it's now being destroyed. The
chopper is trying to focus now. Not always easy to operate these west
cams, but they'll get it back in there.

There are people on top of vehicles. A lot of these are youngsters. You
can see people carrying things away in some places. I see a lot of young
women and teenage girls out there and large crowds that are now building.
So we're talking about not just that avenue where we were earlier. This is
on the other side of the CVS, actually, at this moment. But there are a
number of different locations where this has happened. That's clear from
the panning of the helicopter shot, and a lot of different streets and
avenues involved.

BOLLING: Shep, we're running a banner right there. There's a police
officer unresponsive. You mentioned that he was unconscious. But
unresponsive tends to me something completely different. Any word on that?

SMITH: No. And we've reached out and continue to reach out. I know that
they're probably very busy offering treatment. It did say unconscious on
the screen, but that is not what the authorities said. The authorities
said he was unresponsive. Others with broken bones. This is a horrible
day for police.

And you would guess that the one thing you have to make sure, from covering
this sort of thing forever, when you send out police that you have to send
out enough police to where you're sure they'll be able to own the day.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

SMITH: And when these police went out, there were not enough of them to
own the day, or they had the wrong orders, or they had the wrong tactics or
something.

But as the police were moving forward, some with shields and some without,
the children, as they've been described to us, these teenagers, kids who
just got out of school who are, you know, purging, are throwing brick bats
at them, and they backed up the police for a long time. Then the police
did some pepper spraying and some tear gassing, we believe.

The kids -- we watched it happen, they went back rearmed with more brick
bats and more bottles and came at the police and backed them down again.

So whatever the police did, it was not enough in the early going and, you
know, this is these people's fault, but the police weren't ready. And
let's just hope that all of them survive this.

BOLLING: Hey, Shep, Julie asked about the governor. But we also -- at
least I haven't heard anything from any civil rights leaders, have you?

SMITH: I heard Alveda King on a little while ago, on our air, telling her
[SIC] to get home, that this is not a way to solve any problems.

But it seems like, in the middle of all of this, to start picking on people
for civil rights and what they're saying and what they're not saying, we
could -- we could spend our time watching this and reporting on it as we
have street after street after street...

BOLLING: I don't know. It might be a nice idea, nice timing for one of
the higher profile civil rights leaders, who tend to come in after the fact
and say, "Look how bad things are with the police officers."

SMITH: I'm sure it would. And I'm guessing they're all watching.

BOLLING: But if they come in during the thing, saying, "Hey, let's call
for peace. Let's have some calm here."

SMITH: That's a wonderful idea. I'm confident they're all watching and
will, on your instruction, do exactly that.

What we really need now is for it not to get dark before police get
control. And if what they have is 42 state police and then 40 more to add
to the city of Baltimore's Police Department, that's not what's going to
happen.

So there's been no word on the National Guard. There's been no word on how
they plan to retake these streets. But we've watched the numbers here, and
if police officers were to send people into this crowd, people would get
hurt. So what is your alternative at this moment? I'm confident the
police are trying to figure this out. But nobody involved -- not the
parents of these people, not the police officers and their families --
nobody wants this to get to nightfall. Baltimore can't take that.

GUTFELD: You mentioned parents. Where are the parents?

SMITH: Well, you know, I've not been on the phone with them, but if you
want to sit here and indict the civil rights community and indict the
parents for what we're watching right now, instead of, for now, just
covering what happens and then later talk about whose fault it is, we don't
know whose fault it is.

BOLLING: Can I just jump in, Shep? No one's indicting anyone. We're
watching the pictures. We're asking legitimate questions. A lot of our
viewers are probably asking the same question.

SMITH: Bolling, the question was where are the parents. Surely, you don't
expect me to know that.

BOLLING: No, my question was...

GUTFELD: No, I agree, Shep. It was a hypothetical.

BOLLING: ... where are civil rights leaders? Where's Al Sharpton?
Where's Jesse Jackson?

SMITH: You know what? I also don't know where we are. We've got a major
American city that had decades of turmoil within this neighborhood.
Decades. You heard the stories from Doug McKelway a little while ago of
people being arrested for nothing, a violent crackdown for years and years,
of them feeling powerless and hopeless and nobody listening to what they
were saying. One-quarter of the youth locked up. Clearly, there is a big
problem.

Then all of a sudden, an African-American man is taken into a vehicle and
he comes out of it and dies. And you get nothing from authorities except a
suspension. And then those who would do harm take an opportunity to do
harm, and here we are. But it's what has happened between all of that and
today that has led to this. There is no escaping that reality.

Certainly, people will need to come forward now and ask for calm, but no
one on these streets would be able to listen to that call, for they're on
these streets. And what they have to do now is get law enforcement to come
in and fix this. I'm confident that when they can, they will.

This sign says "Checks Cashed". They've gone into that. This sign I can't
really read. It appears to be "Pay Bills, Debit Cards." That store has
been marked.

Many of these stores -- we've been watching closely, have guards that come
down over them. These do not. And one after another, businesses are going
down. And in no place do you see law enforcement. Law enforcement
apparently at this moment does not have the capability to restore order.
Otherwise, law enforcement would do that, because it is law enforcement,
and at this point no laws are being enforced and there's a purge under way.

BOLLING: Plenty broken. Plenty broken.

GUILFOYLE: Well, Shepard, you bring up going forward on this, and we see
these disturbing images. They didn't happen in a vacuum. There is a
reason, yes, that people are upset, and it's important to do a thorough
examination and an investigation about what transpired and ultimately
resulted in the death of Freddie Gray and why that community is in crisis
and there is such distrust of the police department.

Most certainly, there will be a criminal prosecution. There was another
eyewitness, a suspect that was taken into custody, that they are talking to
as we speak to find out what happened.

There will also most certainly be a civil prosecution for the wrongful
death of Freddie Gray, which seems to be so far a very serious case, given
the fact that this doesn't appear to be a lawful arrest or detention, and
then serious injuries that resulted in his death when he was taken into
custody by the police department.

Going forward from that, I expect that there are people will lose their
job. They will not just be suspended. And this will be a family that will
be able to recover, most likely, a substantial amount of money for what
transpired here.

And then the next step is going to be discussion, a dialogue in the
community and between the police department so that they can prevent this
from happening again or in another city close by, which will also likely be
accompanied by an investigation by the Department of Justice. And the feds
will come in to make sure and see what needs to be done about community
policing with respect to Baltimore.

SMITH: Indeed. And today, but at this moment, at this particular moment,
at 41 minutes past 5 p.m., the city of Baltimore is lawless. The people,
the teenagers of -- maybe there's some adults out here, as well. The
police tell me it's largely young people. They are marching through the
streets, destroying public property, and a great American city is seeing
one of the darkest days in its history.

What happens as a result of this is matters for a news channel to cover at
another time. But what's happening now is business after business is being
looted. Person after person is being involved, and there are no
authorities available to stop it. This is -- this is chaos as we really
haven't seen, that I remember, on such a large scale, since the L.A. riots.
There were terrible problems in New York City in the '70s. The L.A. riots
came along. But in recent years, you know, maybe even since the dawn of
the FOX News Channel, I don't remember seeing this happen to an American
city.

And I think most intriguing now is what will happen next? Over the next
hour and a half, will authorities begin to slowly, as we have seen so many
times before, regain control of one block and then another block; arrest
people who have -- who are suspected of committing crimes; make safe the
people who are living their lives here amid this chaos; and take back over
control of this part of Baltimore? Or will the looting and the rioting and
the fires continue and spread? And will a large, a great American
historical city be, at least in part, lost? And will the tensions that
have flamed not have an avenue for fixing, because most of what was there
is no longer reparable? That's the question.

As we look up the Avenue that we're seeing right here, this two-way street,
that way as the camera pans, we're about to reach a line of police
officers, which in recent minutes, has been still. Here's that familiar
scene now. And if they keep going up this street, you'll see a line of
police officers who have -- who are standing with riot gear and presumably
at some point they -- and there they are -- they and others like them, who
we've seen across this area on this chopper picture and others, they will
at some point, one would hope, have enough people and enough direction to
be able to come in and take this area back over from those who are harming
it and its people. That has to happen soon.

So for this moment, we're witnessing a little bit of American history.
Will these cops be able to come in with help from other authorities, regain
order, and arrest those who deserve to be arrested, and then be able to
keep the peace in the days ahead?

This did not begin today. This will not end today. And the future days
will -- are -- will be decided by what happens right now and over the next
hour, hour and a half. And it seems to me, at this moment, what we should
do is watch this and report on it to the best of our ability.

This is up the street now where these are cops who have been brought in in
vans. If history tells us anything, they will begin to stage now and one
after another they will try to take these streets back.

And I think all that people in Baltimore now and all of us watching here in
the United States and to our viewers who are watching us around the world,
what we can hope is that they'll be able to regain control, save this city,
save these people and lock up those who deserve to be in jail. And for now
we're witnesses to that.

BOLLING: Shep, crowds are clearly gathering. So we're going to -- stand
by if you don't mind. We're going to go back to Doug McKelway on the
ground in Baltimore -- Doug.

MCKELWAY: Yes, Eric, here we are, again, at the corner of Winds Falls (ph)
and Woodbrook (ph) Road. If you look straight down this way, you can see
this cordon of police officers, who are blocking the roadway. I would
estimate maybe 150 or so officers. And if you look beyond that, way, way
off in the distance, there's another cordon of police officers, all
bedecked in riot gear and billy clubs, blocking traffic that way.

It's calmed down a bit here since you first came to me. The fire that was
set in the middle of the road right down here is now dying out. It's
fairly small. The remnants of a liquor bottle that was thrown in our
direction just a little while ago is here, and the people who threw it, I
don't know exactly where it came from -- over this side somewhere -- but
there were a lot more people milling about a little while ago. Most have
retreated back into their homes, and things are relatively calm here.

We understand from some eyewitness accounts that rioters came down the
street where the police are right now -- excuse me, they came from behind
our camera towards this street, took a left, and are heading down towards
Pennsylvania Avenue, down towards city hall and the Inner Harbor, at last
count.

And I think, just based upon the crowd dynamic that I see, people probably
are joining in the crowd of rioters as they come and then milling off,
milling about and retreating as they pass onto a new neighborhood.

I spoke to a police officer about five blocks behind me there at Druid Hill
Park, at the entrance to the Baltimore Zoo, the Maryland Zoo, who said that
there's several pockets of rioting breaking out in several different
neighborhoods. It's not just confined to one area, although we have heard
new reports now of rioting at North Avenue and Pennsylvania Avenue, several
businesses being looted and objects being thrown at police in that general
area.

So, as you can see, police really doing nothing here, other than blocking
the roadway, standing guard, waiting for something to happen if, indeed, it
does. But from some reports, we're hearing that the crowd moved down this
way, took a left, marching now towards the downtown area and the Inner
Harbor area.

We were going to try to stay with this and be mobile and head to the area.
But it's very, very difficult to get around Baltimore now, because there
are so many road blocks. Traffic is basically gridlocked. People trying
to get home from work are not being very successful in doing so.

Eric, back to you.

BOLLING: Doug, we're showing some picture while we're talking, and we're
seeing the crowds are getting bigger. These are some of the biggest
crowds, personally, I've seen since the L.A. riots. We're also seeing, it
looks like, police vans pulling up. They're clearly getting some
assistance. The law enforcement is gathering. They're putting their
strategy in play right now. Give us your thoughts. What's your sense
there?

MCKELWAY: Well, you know, essentially, the few police officers that I had
spoken with -- and here come some marching up this way right now -- did not
seem to be very well-coordinated. That may be changing.

Hey, Steve, why don't you pan over to the right here, because we've got a
line of police cars heading this way and an ambulance, as well.

Actually, the officers who I spoke with were very much confused about any
sort of a strategy. I said which way to the CVS where the looting is
happening? And they said, "Which CVS?" They said -- he didn't know.

OK. So these officers are clearly being redirected to a new location,
which seems to confirm some of the reports we've heard that the rioting
moves to different locations and picks up crowds, and the crowds disperse
back into their neighborhoods when it passes.

So it doesn't seem to be a very well-coordinated approach of things, from
the police officers I spoke to, and I spoke to the chief who said, "I don't
know where the rioting it is." From what I'm hearing, there's several
pockets, and it appears to be happening spontaneously -- Eric.

ROGINSKY: Doug, it's Julie. From anybody -- not the rioters, obviously,
but just the people on the street, does anybody have any confidence
whatsoever that anybody is in charge? I mean, it sounds to me like nobody
is in charge. The mayor is nowhere to be seen when she made those
statements.

MCKELWAY: Of the rioting?

ROGINSKY: Who is in charge of the situation? The governor is absent. I
don't understand. Who is in charge of this horrible, horrible situation?

MCKELWAY: That's a good question, because I'm -- yes. Because I'm out on
the street here, I'm not privy to the control and the control of the
situation. I would imagine the mayor's offices, I would be really
surprised if the governor's office wasn't, you know, involved in some
degree -- to some degree. And certainly, would seem to me very prudent to
be putting the National Guard on standby at this point, but we've heard no
reports of that.

And the difficulty here is, there's no way to predict the behavior of a
mob. As we've said, this is a tinder keg here. It is a powder keg that is
ready to explode with the latest spark. I described earlier how I'd spoken
to one man at the funeral who just let out with a flurry of expletives
about the police in this town, because he had experience with them, as had
anybody he grew up with in this town.

GUTFELD: But Doug -- Doug, the police don't own the CVS.

MCKELWAY: Sometime in the early 2000s. Yes, go ahead.

GUTFELD: I was just going to point out, the police don't own the CVS.

I want to ask you a question. We talked about lack of coordination in law
enforcement. It seems that the rioting is well-structured and well-
coordinated. Do we have any idea if that's the case?

MCKELWAY: I don't. I simply don't. These things happen spontaneously
through the Web and through tweets and through text messages and things of
that sort. And everybody has a cell phone right now, as another cordon of
police officers marches this direction, clearly being redeployed at some
point. Where to, we do not know. But it's impossible to tell. I assume
the police are tapped into various Twitter feeds and text messaging. But I
don't know that for a fact. I certainly hope they are. They have the
capability to do so.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, and just real quick about this prescription drug situation
-- OK. Let's having -- you're taking a look behind to see the police
officers there. Tell us what you are seeing on the street and also if you
had an opportunity earlier to speak to some of the officers. What do they
expect for this evening, and do they expect things to get worse?

MCKELWAY: I think it would just be prudent to expect things to get worse
this evening, because it's easier to wreak havoc when the sun is down and
darkness befalls the area.

I should say that, as I look in the general direction the camera's pointing
right now, it looks like this street has reopened. So again, that confirms
that the rioting has moved elsewhere.

Still, a lot of police are down there, but a lot of them have moved on to
other locations. They're being redeployed. I should also say that we know
for a fact that other area police departments have been called in to
supplement the Baltimore City Police Department. I know that I've seen
lots of Prince George's County Maryland Police Department vehicles and
officers in this general area. That's a suburb of Washington, D.C. So
they've moved quite a way from their home turf. Also, we've heard reports
or seen Twitter feeds that Washington, D.C., police are being redeployed to
Baltimore. So it is clearly all hands on deck.

ROGINSKY: You know, to me, if I'm a mom, if my son has been told to come
home at 3 p.m., and nobody is out there telling me what's going on -- I
guess the mayor is otherwise occupied. I guess the police chief is
otherwise occupied. But the governor, somebody's got to come out there,
don't you think, and tell these people what is going on in their own city.
Because if they don't, it's going to lead to more panic and more chaos for
people who have nothing to do with this situation.

MCKELWAY: That's right. And that's the point of calling a curfew. I'd be
surprised if a curfew was not called, especially for people under a certain
age. Necessary people, you know, emergency responders, doctors, firemen,
things of that sort, should be allowed out of their homes and out and about
on the streets.

But the ordinary everyday citizen, perhaps not. I'm sure at some level of
the governance of this city and of the state, that kind of thinking is
going on right now, but we've heard no word of any kind of a curfew or
anything else of that nature.

BOLLING: Doug, do we have word of the next press conference by the police?
I think they -- did they put a schedule out, when they're going to
address...

MCKELWAY: No, but there was a press conference -- yes, there was a press
conference scheduled. In fact, that's where we were originally after the
funeral took place at city hall. And we were in position to record that
when we got word of rioting, and so we decided to break down our gear and
head to this particular location where we are now. I don't know what
happened to the press conference. We hit the road, and that was the end of
it for us.

BOLLING: What are you going to do now? I mean, are you going to stay
there through the night as the sun goes down?

MCKELWAY: We're going to be monitoring. We're just going to be following
the action wherever it takes us and doing that by looking at the Baltimore
City Police Department Twitter feed. That's our primary source of
information, and I encourage any parent at home in Baltimore to do the
same. Because you'll get the official word there. It's not hearsay. It's
the official word. People can take safe precautions, perhaps, to protect
their homes in a better sense by paying attention to the Baltimore City
Police Twitter feed.

BOLLING: Doug, I just want to -- because you're there and you're in one
spot. We have some aerial pictures. I'm going to narrate a little bit.
There are literally hundreds of police gathering in certain spots, and we
see the crowds of protesters or rioters kind of spread out.

Doug, we're going to wrap up with you right now. We're going to go back to
Shepard Smith. I think he has some new news.

SMITH: Yes, we do have some new news. I'll get to that and the governor
in just a second. We know now, through Doug's reporting and other
reporting, that authorities are being brought in from many different
municipalities, which is very helpful.

What you have to do, though, is stage them properly so that everybody is on
the same page and everybody can communicate. And then they'll work to try
to disperse these crowds.

We've seen some police on the move just a few minutes ago. First time
we've seen police en masse, moving from one location to another, whether
they're setting up to try to take some of these streets back, you would
assume that that's what they're doing.

But we have gotten this word of Governor Hogan. You just asked about Larry
Hogan a short time ago. Our network news service affiliate, WMAR in
Baltimore, the ABC News station there, has just tweeted that, quote,
"Governor Hogan is not yet considering this a state of emergency; won't
call out the National Guard, at least for now."

I don't know how these decisions are made, but we've seen in some instances
in other cities where the National Guard has been accused, at least, of
causing a level of force that was deemed unnecessary. That said, we've not
seen this level of protesting. We've not seen this level of looting in any
of the recent events, not over this large an area.

Sometimes cameras can be deceiving in that, for instance, in Ferguson we
were showing largely a two- to three-block area. There were areas beyond
that but largely, it was a two to three-block area. Clearly, that is not
what we have here.

We had dozens, sometimes hundreds of people in Ferguson, sometimes up to a
thousand. Again, that is not what we have here. This is widespread over
many blocks, in many directions, with violence erupting at many different
locations. Unlike some of the more recent activities that we've witnessed,
in this case, there is not law enforcement on scene at the moment to
protect property and to bring law to this -- order to it. The reason for
that is, quite clearly, they do not have the manpower.

So it appears to all of us who are watching, on many different chopper
feeds and beyond, including social networking, that police are massing
around the area, and they appear to be containing -- attempting to contain
this to the area where it is. That's going to be very difficult, because
you see there are many different ways in and around all of these buildings.
This isn't a city like New York, for instance, where there's only one way
to get in between one building and the next. This -- you can go in
backyards. You can go back behind buildings.

And now we see authorities beginning to mass, and they're moving ever so
slowly in different locations, apparently holding ground, and then about to
try to go take back from the lawbreakers the property. That's what appears
to be under way now.

And the question is when do they believe they have enough manpower to where
they can go in and effect this takeover of the property without this
escalating?

One thing that we have not heard about thus far is any of these lawbreakers
firing shots at the law keepers. But that is not to say that that's
something that cannot happen. And along the way, one of the things they
have to try to do, and I'm sure that they're working very hard to do, is to
keep that sort of thing from happening. Because if gunfire begins, there's
a new situation.

And certainly, as this thing has escalated throughout the afternoon and now
approaching the early evening, as we're a minute and a half to 6 p.m. in
Baltimore, the sun will go down an hour and a half from now; and it will be
much more difficult to keep an eye on who's doing what and where.

Law enforcement officers will have the potential, at least -- they've sent
out warnings that they feel like the Bloods and the Crips and another group
are coming together to try to take out lawmen. Don't even think that
that's not in the back of their mind as they work to regain order.

But the thing they can't have is a bunch of lives lost and a bunch of
people -- a bunch of people hurt in a way that, again, we have not yet
seen.

So we'll be watching this throughout the afternoon. We're going to turn
things over to "Special Report," I believe, with Bret Baier. Actually,
back to "The Five" as we head towards...

BOLLING: Shep, I'll take it. Thank you very much. You're going to be
busy. Busy night on the news desk tonight. Thank you, Shep, very much.

All right, guys, there's about a minute left here. Time for final
thoughts? Quick thought?

GUTFELD: A city is lost when your defense is "it could be worse."

BOLLING: K.G.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I mean, I just hope that they could have peace and
stability, that there isn't any more loss of life or property, and that we
can just have a peaceful demonstration and move forward from this. Because
this isn't helping anybody.

ROGINSKY: Yes. What's shocking to me about all this is this is not news.
This has been going on for over a week, and it seems to me that nobody in
Baltimore planned for what could possibly happen, which is shocking,
because this death was obviously a horrible tragedy. They should have
planned for this, because this...

GUILFOYLE: Meaning it is news, but it doesn't come as a surprise?

ROGINSKY: Right. Doesn't come as a surprise.

BOLLING: We're going to have to leave it right there. "Special Report" is
going to pick up the continuing coverage of the breaking news in Baltimore.
Bret's going to take it from there.

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