Sharpton calls for federal police laws following SC shooting

Police officer charged with murder after video emerges


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," April 9, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Julie Roginsky, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfield, it's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

The bystander who recorded the shooting of an unarmed black man by a white cop in South Carolina has come forward. Feiden Santana is talking to the media about the dramatic scene he captured on tape. He says he initially had thoughts about getting rid of the footage because, he feared what might happen to him if he shared it.


FEIDEN SANTANA, RECORDED WALTER SCOTT FATAL SHOOTING: I didn't know the magnitude of this and I tried to -- I even thought about erasing the video and --


SANTANA: I don't know. I felt that my life, you know, with this information might be, like I said, in danger. And I tried to, to -- I thought about erasing the video and just getting out of the community of North Charleston, you know, living someplace else.

MELVIN: Leaving town?


MELVIN: Because you were that scared?

SANTANA: Yeah. I knew, like I said, I knew that I saw the video, I knew that a cop didn't do -- didn't do the right way, the right thing.


BOLLING: Officer Michael Slager was charged with murder immediately after that video surfaced but, that's not stopping the race spinners from taking another opportunity to vent their grievances against conservatives. South Carolina congressman is actually blaming the right-leaning group, ALEC, for the shooting.


JAMES CLYBURN, SOUTH CAROLINA CONGRESSAMN: They have been drawing up these legislations -- pieces of legislation like stand your ground. That legislation gives a license for people to be vigilantes and that's why you have these rogue police officers feeling they have license to do what they want to do and there will be no consequences paid for it.


BOLLING: Alright K.G. is there any indication on what happened in South Carolina at this point had anything to do with race?

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: No, because I'm also not a mind reader. I don't know what that man's thoughts, private thoughts and heart is. What I saw was, in my opinion, as a prosecutor, a bad shooting, based on the circumstance. I haven't evaluated all the evidence, but certainly seems that there was excessive force used and the man lost his life and it's very unfortunate. I mean, that you know they are going to take any opportunity to turn this into a racial issue, but I think we need to be very careful in light of what happened in Ferguson as well.

BOLLING: You have different though. This -- completely different than what happened in Ferguson.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yeah, but you -- this must be seen by racial activists purely, through the racial prism as part of a way to indict an entire system, which is a sport these days. You have to find one thing and indict the system. But if you simply and factually state what happened, that a man shot another unarmed man in the back and killed him, a man running from him, and you don't mention race, the left explodes. They go crazy because they -- they have to see it through that prism. These are the same activists however, who want to leave out race when discussing any other kinds of crime, any other kinds, suspect descriptions in newspapers. You can't have it both ways. If you want to be color blind there, you got to be color blind here, especially when you have tape that shows this heinous crime. You don't need to create this decision. This is the poison of politics and sport. Immediately, CNN and Sharpton and Salon and Gawker - - Gawker called the police, said the police are now our terrorists. Now, they scream their talking points which then cause the reaction on the other side and it becomes another team sport, where we can all agree, this is horrible.


BOLLING: And Dana, immediately, the North Ferguson -- the North Charleston Police Department fired the cop, cuffed him, put him in jail after the video was --

GUILFOYLE: And charged him.

BOLLING: It was released, and charged him with murder. Why Clyburn and the rest of the left, the spinners come out and say something was wrong here? They seem to have handled it well?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: It seems that way to us, OK? So, but if you are Clyburn and you look at it from a different point of view, and that is his home state, I think actually also his district, it is something that is more personal to him and a way he looks -- he looks at this as if he is representing his community well. Others might not agree with that, but I think that that's where his position is coming from. I don't understand, and I think it was tenuous, the link that he was trying to make between stand your ground and what is being charged with a murder, stand your ground is -- need to get into it, because it has nothing to do with this.

BOLLING: Is Clyburn being opportunistic here?

JULIE ROGINSKY, GUEST CO-HOST: I don't think he is being opportunistic, Dana. I think the reason is a good point, which is he represent his community. I don't think stand your ground had anything to do with this.

BOLLING: It may have to seem to -- jump on board with this.

ROGINSKY: Listen, the community feels -- I just believe that there are probably people within Jim Clyburn's community who feel that because, the man who was killed was African-American, that he was singled out and probably targeted for a stop or tail light to put it (ph).

BOLLING: But -- but that's not --

ROGINSKY: I'm not debating --

BOLLING: There wasn't the rioting, there wasn't fighting, it wasn't (inaudible) --

ROGINSKY: I'm not, I'm not gonna -- I'm not, I'm not debating with you. All I'm saying is Dana's point, that there are probably people within this community who felt that way. Having said that, I think stand your ground and I oppose those laws, but stand your ground had nothing to do with this.

BOLLING: Alright. Can we listen to Reverend Al Sharpton? Listen.


AL SHARPTON, CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST: There must be national policy and national law on policing. We can't go from state to state. We've got to have national law to protect people against these continued questions.



PERINO: Well, I just -- so he is calling for the federalization of police. Just to me, I would think that the left wouldn't want that. That's my instincts, but Julie, maybe I'm wrong.

ROGINSKY: You know, I think he probably wants the federalization of what he believes to be proper police laws. And listen, I am not a fan of Al Sharpton, I've never been a fan of his, I think he is divisive and I think he is a race monger among other things. In this case, I think he is not wrong, because you do have certain places where the laws are more relax in other places. Look, I'm a big believer but --

PERINO: He just got charged with murder. So what is --

ROGINSKY: No, no, no. I'm not saying about this. But look, there are places where I think body cameras -- I think body cameras should be required everywhere. I think that something police should have everywhere all over the country, because it avoids any misperception.

BOLLING: Depends how is there (ph) on he choose (ph) that's how he look, he is not calling for body cameras on police. He is calling for --

ROGINSKY: Well, I don't know what he is calling for -- I don't know what he is calling for. I suspect that's actually one of those things.

BOLLING: Good point.

GUTFELD: There are two -- there are two points of view here. There are people who genuinely see this as part of a greater pattern. They are legitimately aggrieved and they see that this is, this is bad, that keeps happening. Then those who purely see it as based on statistics and the way communities are built and that somehow, this is a bad outcome from a -- from just a statistical likelihood, that in these communities, you have these officers and you have these folks, and once in a while, something bad happens. I think it is the latter that causes the former that you don't have enough community interaction between the police, the -- and the actual community. So the solution is honesty, that you need more black cops in communities where there are black folks. The problem is, you need the young women and the young men to step up and apply for these jobs and be able to pass those tests. Until you do that, you're never gonna have it.

BOLLING: And, and unless -- unless, you have body cameras where -- if African-American men and women don't want to be cops, you get the body cam, K.G., it eliminates all the questions what happens after the, the initial arrest.

GUILFOYLE: I guess, but what? Why do we operate from a premise that everybody's racist that puts on a uniform? What do you mean? Like it should be -- the camera's there to record whatever, regardless of color, perhaps, if that assists in the community policing and you know, getting crime rates down, OK, make the argument for that. But what, where all of a sudden did this narrative get established as true --

BOLLING: I think immediately --

GUILFOYLE: That this is just racist police department.

BOLLING: Immediately, that there -- they -- there are people who will say if -- if an African-American was shot by a white cop, that something bad happened, the narrative that you just pointed out that Al Sharpton was also pointing out. Instead, you can, you can actually make it say good cops or all cops the hassle of going through, you know, legal stuff when they have a cam -- when they have a video.

PERINO: To Kimberly's point, it seems like today, that it is a punishment of police officers that they can't be trusted therefore, you need the cameras. However, as Greg was saying yesterday, his position on this has evolved and he thinks the cameras are good, but for both sides and -- it could be, there could become a time, maybe a couple months from now, if there is body camera that captures something on tape that then incriminates somebody, that they won't necessarily want the cameras that they had before.


PERINO: But I have been -- I think -- I think that we have come to a point where the cameras make sense.

ROGINSKY: Yeah and by the --

PERINO: Thankfully, that -- I'm sorry, Julie --


PERINO: If I could just say thankfully, Mr. Santana, who was -- who filmed this did not trust his initial instincts, which was to erase it and, because he was able to -- he will be a part of what brings Slager to justice.

ROGINSKY: And if you have body -- if you have body cameras in Ferguson, if we actually had videotape of what happened in Ferguson, this whole investigation which took months and the riots and so on and so forth, and angst in a lot of side -- and both sides, that would have been resolved a lot more quickly.

BOLLING: Save a lot of money.

ROGINSKY: A lot of money.

BOLLING: It could save a lot of money.

GUTFELD: Two really interesting examples.


GUTFELD: Here, in this case, it exonerated a cop.


GUTFELD: Because you found that there was, there was a scuffle and that the hands up don't shoot thing didn't happen.


GUTFELD: However, in this case, you got a bad cop. So it's -- it's, the great thing about cameras, it's unbiased.


GUTFELD: It has no preconceived notions about race.


GUTFELD: Or whatever.

BOLLING: A lot of -- a lot of -- let's put it this way, I would guess and I make a guess here that law enforcement would be at this rate -- the way things are going, the way they get accused of bias all over the place, it will probably welcome body cameras.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah and look, most cops are good people. Both cops are, the vast majority of cops are not racist, they are not out to get anybody -- but for the few bad apples who are, and this guy obviously is a bad apple that we saw in South Carolina, this absolutely -- the reason we are all horrified is because we saw the video. If you had told it, we wouldn't be horrified. A picture tells a thousand words and we just saw the picture.

BOLLING: South Carolina, specifically North Charleston, handled the shooting very differently from the Ferguson, Missouri Police Department, Greg just point it that out. Judge Nap is correct in pointing out this difference as well.


ANDREW NAPOLITANO, SENIOR JUDICIAL ANALYST FOR FOX NEWS: This is not Ferguson. I mean, Ferguson, there was a bonafide fight over the officer's gun and the officer won the fight. This is two desperate cases here. There -- this is a victim running away from the police, shot in the back. This is what some people said Ferguson was, but it turned out it wasn't.


BOLLING: Points, yeah.

GUTFELD: Yeah. I mean, the fact is that it was a heinous act and the crime towers over any kind of narrative that you're trying to -- you're trying to create a mosaic of injustice and a mosaic requires a consistent variety of crimes, but they don't fit. And every time you force them to fit, you're dishonest. These are different acts.


GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I mean look, I just hope that we can kind of move forward. These are two very separate and distinct incidents, right? So we can't just lump them all together, because then we're -- we are just furthering ignorance and paranoia, hysteria over a situation. Take each situation and evaluate it on its own facts, on its own merits and then make an intelligent, informed decision based on the facts. That's what we owe everybody. The people in the communities, the people that put on the uniforms every day and the victims, people are getting pulled over. You get pulled over, comply with the law. Let's start with that.

BOLLING: And that's a very good point, Dana. A lot of -- in fact, all of the ones we have talked about over the last year, year and a half or so, have had one thing in common, a resisting arrest that led up to whatever happened next.

PERINO: Yup and it actually something that -- does something Greg was talking about, especially with Eric Garner. I mean the law might have been stupid, which was that it was illegal to sell -- what do you call this?

GUTFELD: Loosies.

BOLLING: Loosies.

PERINO: Loosies, I was going to say selfies on the street. Loosies on the street that got might have been a bad law, but resisting the arrest -- unfortunately led to --

BOLLING: Predicates all of this stuff, right?



PERINO: Yes, it probably.

ROGINSKY: But having said that, nobody deserves to die --

GUILFOYLE: That's not what we are saying.


ROGINSKY: I know I get it.

PERINO: But nobody is saying he deserve to die.

GUILFOYLE: But life is precious, don't even take chances. I get pulled over.


GUILFOYLE: I don't -- you know go in my white Ford Explorer and go crazy on the 495 and do felony evading and get out of my car and hit the cop with it and try to take his gun. I think that would be bad idea.

ROGINSKY: But I do have to say, this is gonna be a controversial statement but, if you get pulled over or I get pulled over or Dana gets pulled over, the odds of anything bad happening to us is much smaller that the odds of something happening --


BOLLING: But there is exactly what we talked about.

ROGINSKY: It's statistic.

BOLLING: At very, very beginning of the show, that you -- you have a predisposed idea that because, he was black or she's black, they will be treated differently.

ROGINSKY: It's statistics. Statistics, black men get arrested at a higher rate than white women.

BOLLING: Commit crimes at a higher rate.

ROGINSKY: No. they -- you think --

BOLLING: With white as well.




GUILFOYLE: That the facts are there, statistics.

GUTFELD: Where I would -- there's a really interesting parallel going on right now, like I mentioned dead spin before where they said that the police are America's terrorists. The police are, in -- for a lot of the left, their radical terrorists, they are. They are like -- so when a, when so a case happens, they indict all officers. The same way they would condemn the right for using one act of terror to indict all Muslims. Which you would never -- you cannot do that. That would be wrong. But if you get one act by police officers, you can indict all of them.

BOLLING: Alright. We got to leave it right there. Coming up, some GOP presidential candidates are already facing uphill battle with the mainstream media this election cycle, particularly Mr. Rand Paul, next.


GUILFOYLE: Rand Paul just launched his presidential campaign on Tuesday and he is already taking heat for his media rollout. It features interviews like this one, which the Washington Post describes as, prickly.


SAVANNAH GUTHRIE, NBC TODAY SHOW CO-ANCHOR: You once said Iran was not a threat, now you say it is. You once proposed ending foreign aid to Israel, you now support it, at least for the time being. And you once offered to drastically cut --

RAND PAUL, U.S. SENATOR: But before we got them --

GUTHRIE: Wait, wait, wait --

PAUL: Before we got them --

GUTHRIE: Once drastically --

PAUL: Before we go through --

GUTHRIE: And you wanted to cut defense spending.

PAUL: Before we go through a litany --

GUTHRIE: And now you want to increase it 16 percent.

PAUL: Before --

GUTHRIE: But I just wonder if you've mellow down?

PAUL: Before we go through a litany of -- yeah, why don't we let me explain.


PAUL: Instead of talking over me, OK? Before we go through a litany of things you say I've changed on, why don't you ask me a question, have I changed my opinion.

GUTHRIE: Have you changed your opinion?

PAUL: That would be sort of a better way to approach an interview.


PAUL: No, no.

GUTHRIE: Is Iran still not a threat?

PAUL: You got -- you better editorialized. No, no, no, no, no, listen. You have editorialized, let me answer a question.


GUILFOYLE: Just felt uncomfortable, right? Well Megyn Kelly asked him about that exchange last night.


PAUL: I do lose my cool and I lose -- I do lose my, my temper sometimes and I should be better at that.

MEGYN KELLY, THE KELLY FILE SHOW HOST: Savannah Guthrie is not exactly known for her, you know, aggressive unfairness.

PAUL: Right. I think the question was unfair. Can I do better? Yes. Am I sometimes thin skinned? Yes. But am I equal opportunity? I mean, I had a tiff with a male reporter today, there's nothing to do with sexuality. I -- when I think of doing an interview with you, I don't think whether you're a man or woman, I think of an intelligent.

KELLY: I know that.

PAUL: Person that's going to ask me questions. I don't think who the person is that's asking the question.

KELLY: I know that.


GUILFOYLE: Alright. Well, to his credit, he went on Megyn Kelly and you know you got to be prepared to take some heat when you go on there. He answered the questions. I think he has realized from the fallout that, you know, it didn't come off too well, especially in the beginning days of the rollout. Now, Mr. Bolling, you've been gone.

BOLLING: I've been gone.

GUILFOYLE: You are back. BOLLING: I'm back to that, yes.

GUILFOYLE: What would you like to --

BOLLING: I'm, so --


BOLLING: So I remember when Kelly Evans in Iran had that run-in back and for its -- a few months ago. And you know what it -- look, I think Kelly Evans, I think the world of her as a reporter, but I think she was a little -- a little too for over with him. He pushed back. He probably shouldn't have shushed her. Savannah Guthrie, he should -- I guess he should have known that he was gonna get the same kind of questioning. I don't think that he has a problem being questioned aggressively by women. I think he has a problem answering this one question and it will behoove him going forward, when this question comes up by a man or a woman. They have a better way of answering it and I think he will form now on. I think Megyn Kelly leaned on him on pretty, probably harder than Savannah Guthrie or Kelly Evans did last night and he didn't - you know, have a problem. So I, to call it sexist I think this is -- in which I have been hearing all day, I think is unfair.

GUILFOYLE: OK, Julie is looking at me imploringly for me to call on her.

ROGINSKY: Imploringly, because -- you look, I'm going to take off my partisan hat and put on my political consultant hat. Dana, you can agree with me on this, I think. The day that you have a rollout and all the stories are about process.

PERINO: They're just terrible.

ROGINSKY: And all the stories are about your demeanor and your fighting with reporters and not about the message you want to put out there, you're losing. He has to change this immediately. He can complain that it is unfair. He can complain the press is out to get him, by the way.

GUILFOYLE: What about going on Megyn Kelly? That's not -- you know that's a tough interview to go on. She was very strong with him.

ROGINSKY: It is. But let's -- yes, but look about what Megyn Kelly was talking to him about, not about his -- or at least the part we are playing -- not about his agenda, not about his rollout, not about his plans for the country about whether Savannah Guthrie -- Savannah Guthrie is from The Today Show. This isn't exactly, you know, Woodward and Bernstein talking about process. I mean if you are talking about process, you are losing. You need to talk about message, not process.

PERINO: If he thinks that Savannah Guthrie's interview was unfair, wait until he gets on stage with other Republican candidates who want to win as much as he does because then he has not seen anything yet and he -- that one issue on Iran had to have been on the top of his -- their minds as to what he was going to be asked about and if it wasn't, he should probably consider getting some new people around him. He is being mismanaged or he is not managing himself well. In my opinion, a lot of this always comes from the top. Here's the thing. When you are telling from -- a candidate, "You're going to go on interviews, you have a chance to be on The Today Show, chance you're going to have a big presidential announcement, visualize for me, sir, what headlines do you want in the morning?" And then that's what you drive toward, this every single interview. He got off track at 7 a.m. and wasn't able to get back on track. It's not that he can't. He has -- he is very charming in person. He should have done these interviews in New York City rather than by remote.

GUTFELD: So you're saying he has got to fire his staff? It's pretty early for that.

PERINO: It's a little early. But here's the thing, the reporters and his staff already have a huge fight going on. That's something you kind of want in October of 2016, not necessarily when -- the day after you announce your candidacy.

GUTFELD: You know what? This is a reminder of how easy President Obama has had.

GUILFOYLE: No kidding (ph).

GUTFELD: . his life for six or seven years.

GUILFOYLE: Isn't it? He highlights it.

GUTFELD: . that he avoids potentially contentious debates like this by going on box or going on buzz feed with reporters who are basically just out of high school. There's no reason for conflict because he is being interviewed by one of his groupies. And to Rand's credit, it never, ever hurts to bash the media. That's how I got this job. So I'd be a hypocrite to say -- to criticize him for that. However -- and this is really important -- it's a lesson that's got to be learned, nobody likes listening to somebody who seems angry or upset. And anger and irritation -- mad people are never appealing. It's short for madness. And to the credit of people like Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, the reason they win is they stab you with a smile. They never raise their voice. They trick you into coming on their show. They have -- they do your book and then they kill you. And then you have to understand that the media is a savanna. It's a savanna and the conservatives all have targets.


PERINO: I disagree with you about something. I disagree with you about something.


PERINO: Yes. You saying that you got this job because you were bashing the media. But you wanted this job. You didn't want to be the president of the United States.

GUTFELD: That's true.

PERINO: And that -- there is a difference. Temperament matters.

BOLLING: Can we also point out the difference between a Savannah Guthrie interview with the president at the White House, where they are talking about the White House beer and then her continued -- and the way she.

PERINO: OK. That was for the Super Bowl.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. But the problem is the optics just looks bad. That's -- it is what it is. If it was him or him being contentious with somebody, and you know, Greg Gutfeld interviewing him and he is being contentious, that's.

GUTFELD: I would never do that.

GUILFOYLE: It's difficult then when you have that two put sandwiched together, two female interviewers and then he has that kind of reaction. It establishes a narrative people might accept it for the truth of the matter asserted, whether or not it's really true that he is having a problem. It looks bad is the problem.

ROGINSKY: And by the way, the day you become president is the day you decide whether you are going to answer questions or not. Until that day you want to be president, you got to answer every single question out there. If you got to don't like it, answer it.

BOLLING: You know what? The way to do it is to do whatever stinking politician does. You get asked that question, you answer with the question you want to answer. Answer something different.


PERINO: The other thing is -- so his campaign -- there's this ad that's running by a third party group called Republican -- Foundation for a Secure and Prosperous America and it is tough (ph) against Rand Paul on specific statements that have come out of his mouth on recordings about Iran and changes about position now. Rand Paul says that's unfair. And in fact, he has -- his campaign has sent a cease and desist letter to radio station and TV stations running this ad. None of the stations have taken it off yet because, again, it is not factually incorrect. He actually said that. So again, these are the headlines in the morning. The headlines are not going to be about why should Rand Paul be president of the United States of America? It will be about Rand Paul's campaign is so thin skinned that it is sending out a crease and desist letter on its second day.

ROGINSKY: And by the way they know or their lawyers should know it is virtually impossible to get an ad taken off air.

PERINO: They don't want that.

ROGINSKY: They don't want this headline, exactly right. And that's the problem. They want that headline, which is stupid. You're right. The staff should be fired because.


PERINO: I'm not calling for anyone to be fired.

ROGINSKY: No. No. No. But the staff -- Greg just did. But the staff what they - what the headline they should want is not some stupid process headline. It should be about how Rand Paul wants to change.


GUILFOYLE: You know what? But the problem is he does want to talk about the issues. He does want to have intelligent conversations. So, yeah, he has got some frustration there because he doesn't want words to be put in his mouth. He wants you to ask him the questions and wants the opportunity to answer like any candidate would. You have to handle frustration about what the mainstream media properly or you're going to do yourself and your candidacy a disservice.

BOLLING: We just spent nine minutes talking about the way he -- Rand Paul is answering questions instead of the fact that Quinnipiac Poll came out today and has him ahead of Hillary Clinton in several (ph) states including Iowa.

PERINO: That should have been his answer. Let me tell you how easy -- you know how easy it is? When Savannah Guthrie asked him that question and say, "There's going to be plenty of time for me to talk about my position on Iran."

BOLLING: Right. Let's talk about Quinnipiac.

PERINO: "Quinnipiac poll today says I was up against Hillary Clinton in Colorado and Pennsylvania. How about that, Savannah?" I mean it's not hard.

GUILFOYLE: No. I could write a dissertation on this.

PERINO: And this is how we roll.


GUILFOYLE: More insults to America from Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Khomeini. He doesn't trust us to keep our promises on a nuke deal. His latest with Iran ahead.


PERINO: Is the Middle East on the brink of war? Iran is warning Saudi Arabia to stop its air campaign in Yemen and has deployed two with warships to Watters near that country.

This as the U.S. speeds up a weapons supply to the Saudi-led coalition, striking rebels there.

Iran's Ayatollah Khamenei is accusing Saudi Arabia of genocide. Meanwhile, he's also just unleashed a cascade of tweets about the framework of a nuke deal made with the west. One reads, quote, "Hours after the talks, Americans offered a fact sheet that, most of it, was contrary to what was agreed. They always deceive and breach promises."

Greg, that sounds like something we'd say about them.

GUTFELD: Exactly. That's the hilarity of this whole thing.

OK, Yemen, so this was a success. This was a success. Makes me question President Obama's metrics of success. But what really kills me is this is a guy who told Scott Walker to bone up on foreign policy. This is a guy whose foreign policy is boneless. It's a McNugget; there's no spine. He called ISIS JV. That's like calling Ebola a head cold.

And then you've got Marie Harf. You've got Marie Harf -- this is the best part, dismissing expert criticism by -- was it by Kissinger?

PERINO: Kissinger and Schultz.

GUTFELD: And Schultz. It's like, "Oh, that's a lot of big words."

So, we've got these people -- they're from the -- they're from, like, a high school model U.N. This is not the State Department. It's the cast of "Saved by the Bell." It's disgusting. Sorry.

PERINO: You brought up President Obama going after Scott Walker, and Scott Walker actually had a chance to reply. And we have that.

GUTFELD: Oh, wow. Hmm.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It would be a foolish approach to take, and perhaps Mr. Walker, after he's taken some time to bone up on foreign policy, will feel the same way.

GOV. SCOTT WALKER (R), WISCONSIN: It's unbelievable. This is a president who should spend more time trying to figure out how to work with governors and members of Congress instead of attacking it.

But think about that statement. This is a guy who, in the last year, called ISIS the JV squad; who called Yemen, just last fall, his administration continues to call them a success story; who had a secretary of state under Hillary Clinton that gave Russia a reset button. And then they ultimately went into the Ukraine.

This is a guy who I think had the audacity to talk about schooling anyone when it comes to foreign policy.


PERINO: I think that Scott Walker does have a point, that President Obama has enough on his plate without needing to fall into the trap of attacking possible Republican presidential contenders. What do you think?

GUILFOYLE: Well, sure. But I mean, if he would concentrate and focus on actually doing a good deal with Iran instead of giving them everything and making us look foolish, taking a victory lap when there's nothing to celebrate to begin with. Now he's picking a fight with Scott Walker? Why?

PERINO: Well, I think it's because, Julie, I think he thinks that this helps him. I think that it keeps him in the news, and it's like the best way he knows how to argue.

ROGINSKY: I think he was asked -- I think he was asked the question and he stupidly, I think, took the bait.

PERINO: Oh, he's going to go back to answering...

ROGINSKY: That's my point. If he -- Scott Walker, he actually -- if you're Barack Obama, you should diminish Scott Walker by not addressing him.

GUILFOYLE: Correct. He just elevated it.

ROGINSKY: He just elevated Scott Walker. I'm not sure what the strategy of that was. I'm sure his people probably don't either.

PERINO: I don't think it was planned.

ROGINSKY: It was not, exactly.

GUILFOYLE: Should they be fired?

ROGINSKY: Yes. Yes, I thought actually some of his communications people could have done a better job...

GUILFOYLE: This turned into, like, a Trump show.

ROGINSKY: By the way...

GUILFOYLE: You're fired.

ROGINSKY: By the way, stop trashing "Saved by the Bell." I don't want to hear it.

GUTFELD: No, I was actually saying it was like it, because it's so awesome.


PERINO: Awesome.

Eric, do you think Congress will scuttle or repudiate President Obama on this deal, or is he going to get it?

BOLLING: I can't imagine that President Obama is going to try and -- so Congress had nine Democrat senators who are on board to say, hey, we want to say -- we want a 60-day timeout. We want to look at this deal. Is Obama really going to say, "You nine Democrats and all Republicans, I know better than you. And I'm going to override whatever the bill you guys are -- say no to your bill." Then they're going to have to get three or four more Democrats to a presidential veto? This is ridiculous.

PERINO: I think that's exactly what he's going to do.

BOLLING: That is asinine. That is -- look, you have...

PERINO: Can you say that word on TV?

BOLLING: Asinine?

GUTFELD: Yes, you can. What's with you?

BOLLING: Supreme leader says "death to America" while they're negotiating. The minute they break up the negotiation, the supreme leader says, you know -- "We know a different deal than the Americans know." It's time Congress looks at this deal.

PERINO: And so I'm going to get the final word, because I've always maintained that Iranians are going to do something that will actually save us from our own bad ideas.

BOLLING: What, something stupid?

PERINO: Yes. They're going to continue to say things like this and make it impossible.

GUILFOYLE: They've already done it. They said no sanctions, immediately.

GUTFELD: I have an interesting point.

PERINO: You have an interesting point?

GUTFELD: Well, I think it's -- this is all about becoming a superpower in a region. America is the west. Russian, eastern Europe, China is in Asia. Iran sees a vacancy, and they want the vacancy.

Unfortunately, President Obama is now the real-estate agent. He's helping them with the application.

PERINO: He just sold the Middle East for $1. He didn't even collect the dollar.

PERINO: Do you think he puts his photo on...

GUTFELD: Yes, he works for Halstead. It's President Obama.

PERINO: Take my card. Call me.

Next on "The Five" is it sexist to call Hillary Clinton by only her first name? Some people think so, but do we? Coming up.

And later, a very special guest is going to drop by.


PERINO: He usually only goes by the first name.

GUTFELD: Kill me. Kill me.

PERINO: There he is.

BOLLING: Kilmeade?

GUTFELD: Brian Kilmeade.


GUTFELD: In a political piece on Hillary Clinton published this week, a concerned writer states that, quote, "Some Americans, mostly women, don't think the former secretary of state, U.S. senator from New York and first lady should be called by just her first name." Because, some wonder, that it might reinforce gender stereotypes.

Yes, some wonder. That "some" was me and only me last week on "O'Reilly." Roll it, Sven.


GUTFELD: If you call her Hillary, that's sexist, because that's a girl's name. They should no longer refer to her by her first name. Gender independent thing like maybe Professor Pantsuit, something that has no gender whatsoever.


GUTFELD: I just tossed to myself. All right.

As a loudmouth pointing out flaws in leftist logic, my tactic has always been to extend liberal beliefs to the absurd until the argument can only tip in my favor.

Those comments were about Hill's supporters, who label any criticism of her as sexist. If you call her secretive, that's sexist. If you call her entitled, that's sexist. I took it a step further. And apparently, this D.C. reporter listened and found one person, one person to agree with me, a 23-year-old named Monica. She says, "I think it's pretty unjust. I think it shows the level of inequality, inequality that still exists in the work force. And just in general in society."

Now, I agree. Calling her Hillary is degrading and demeaning, and hasn't she had enough of that? She's married to this guy.


BILL CLINTON IMPERSONATOR: They're always saying Hillary wore the pants. Now I'm wearing the dress. Put Hillary in the White House. I am homesick.


BILL CLINTON IMPERSONATOR: I'm traveling coast to coast.




GUTFELD: So, what's the solution? What do we call her? How about her maiden name, Ms. Rodham? That's great. But wait, Rodham? Rod? Ham? It's both sexist and anti-Muslim.

PERINO: It's a problem.

GUTFELD: It is. K.G., I was thinking maybe calling her "Madam Secretary," but then you have madam and secretary. That's demeaning.

PERINO: Double. That's a double negative.

GUTFELD: I mean, a madam is an illegal job, and secretary is beneath her.

GUILFOYLE: This is getting awkward. We're going to have to refer to her by just a symbol sign like Prince used to do back in the day.

GUTFELD: The woman formerly known as Bill Clinton's wife.

GUILFOYLE: Right, that's it. Like symbol it out. I don't know what to say. I mean, I get called "K.G." Why don't we go "HRC," she gets called?


GUILFOYLE: "H.C." I don't know. What's the good answer here? She should be psyched that she can go by one name, like Oprah.



GUTFELD: We all want that. That will never happen to me. Julie, first name is sexist. Agree, disagree?

ROGINSKY: This is the stupidest controversy of all stupid controversies. Monica, 23-year-old Monica, yikes.

PERINO: Monica.


BOLLING: You know what I prefer, Greg?


BOLLING: "Former secretary of state" for the next six years.

GUTFELD: That's good. That's like a good one.

ROGINSKY: This is so...

GUILFOYLE: Dreaming.

ROGINSKY: This is so dumb. By the way, she refers to herself as Hillary. I think in '08, you had "Hillary!" bumper stickers everywhere. So if she doesn't think it's racist or sexist, or whatever people accuse it of being. Not racist but sexist.

PERINO: Genderist.

ROGINSKY: Genderist. Why does Monica, 23-year-old Monica care? This is...

GUTFELD: They just found her. She was a tourist in D.C.

ROGINSKY: She was just hanging out, and she's like, "What do you think about this? Is this sexist?"

"Yes, it is. I'm 23 years old, so everything is sexist."

PERINO: They did more than "Rolling Stone."

GUTFELD: That's true. As she was answering that, she said, "Wait, I've got to go. Jesse Watters is over here, doing a 'Watters' World.' I'll talk to you."

ROGINSKY: But I feel like in college, you kind of look -- in your early 20s, you kind of always look for things to be offended about. Right? Everything is sexist; everything is racist.

BOLLING: See how well it looked out for Sandra Fluke?

ROGINSKY: Who? Oh, Sandra Fluke? "Fluck"? Was it "Fluck"?

GUTFELD: I don't remember. You have an anecdote?

PERINO: I did, but I also can say a couple of things?

BOLLING: Sure. All right.

GUTFELD: Whatever.

GUILFOYLE: That's you side by side.

PERINO: With Hillarycare was -- she named that -- she wanted that name. It wasn't considered bad.

"Ready for Hillary" was actually done by her supporters.

The other thing is because of Clinton -- the whole Clinton/Bush problem, when you -- if you're a reporter, it kind of is easier to say "Jeb" or "Hillary" so that you don't have to be confused.

The anecdote I had was just about Harriet Miers, when she had that brief period as a Supreme Court nominee, she had not been a judge. She hadn't been Madam Secretary...


PERINO: ... hadn't been a senator, so everybody referred to her as Harriet or Ms. Miers and then that sounded bad.

So I think when it comes to Hillary, they can call her Hillary, but you can't.

GUTFELD: There you go.

BOLLING: Weren't there bumper stickers?


BOLLING: "Hillary '08"?

PERINO: Can we fire this reporter, too?

ROGINSKY: I said that.

GUTFELD: Yes, I think this person should be fired.

ROGINSKY: You just stole my idea. You weren't listening to a word I said.

BOLLING: I wasn't.

GUTFELD: She was named after Hillary, I believe.

We're going to take break. The most popular places for first dates in America, coming up next.



ROGINSKY: For all the singles -- what is this music? For all the singles out there wondering where you should go on your next first date, you might want to try where everyone else seems to be going.

According to the mobile dating app Clover, the No. 1 dating spot in America is actually Starbucks. Followed by Chipotle, Panera, the Cheesecake Factory and Texas Roadhouse.

Its survey says 51 percent of men prefer to meet at restaurants for a first date; 52 percent of women prefer coffee shops. Clearly, none of these people like in New York City, where we all prefer to go to bars.

GUILFOYLE: I don't understand that.

ROGINSKY: Because that is the only way you ever get through a good first date.

GUILFOYLE: I'm not -- I'm not understanding this at all.


GUILFOYLE: Someone would take you on a date to Starbucks?

ROGINSKY: Yes. Actually. Not me. I go to -- no, I need a couple...

BOLLING: Or Chipotle.

PERINO: No, no, no. The one I don't get...

ROGINSKY: Burrito bowl on me.

PERINO: You know what I don't understand, and you will appreciate this...

ROGINSKY: No, no, number six, buffalo wild wings. Can you imagine scarfing down buffalo wings...

GUILFOYLE: Actually, that one I could go to.

PERINO: That would be actually good for Kimberly.


ROGINSKY: I love buffalo wings, but not in the privacy of my own house, not when you're, like, tearing into it, and you're all gross and disgusting. I guess that's true love.

GUILFOYLE: Panera, is that a sandwich place?


GUILFOYLE: You kidding me?

ROGINSKY: Have you ever left the island of Manhattan?

GUILFOYLE: Well, of course, but I don't, like, go to the local...

PERINO: America.

GUILFOYLE: ... what is made (ph).

ROGINSKY: Panera is a place of -- a mythical place in America you can get very good sandwiches and...

GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, I don't understand. Are these Tinder dates?

ROGINSKY: I don't know. It's something called Clover.

GUILFOYLE: OK, but I mean, like, they swipe. We're both by Starbucks.

ROGINSKY: I don't think -- I don't think Tinder is for dates. I think that's not what you're on Tinder for. My understand.



ROGINSKY: ... you are a married man.

GUTFELD: That is true.

ROGINSKY: What was the very first place you took your lovely wife?

GUTFELD: We -- Paris.



ROGINSKY: First date?

PERINO: Top that, guys.

GUTFELD: Exactly! Paris is my buddy's house. Paris Stevens, he's got a great basement.

No. The great thing about first dates, it's the best you will ever be with that person. If everybody treated each other as though they were on a first day, the world would be a much better place.

ROGINSKY: And I think it's horrible, because it's like a job interview. You have to constantly interview...

GUTFELD: Both sides are nervous. And they're putting their best foot forward.

The weird thing about Starbucks is, you know, it's just a line and a bathroom. And then what do you do after?

BOLLING: Yes, what do you do?


GUTFELD: Chipotle. If you go to Starbucks and have coffee, and then you go to Chipotle with Mexican food, you're not going to invite the girl back to your place, especially if it's a studio apartment.


ROGINSKY: Dana's horrified that you're inviting somebody back on a first date.

Dana, you, I have read your book, so I know exactly how you met your husband.

PERINO: You were a lucky early reader.

ROGINSKY: I was a lucky early reader. And Panera was not in your life. Where did Peter take you on your first date?

PERINO: Well, we met on an airplane.

ROGINSKY: I know that.

GUILFOYLE: Mile high club.

PERINO: You'll have to buy the book. How about that? A little tease.

BOLLING: I think Dana hits on something. So if you've been to Cheesecake Factory, the menu is like 40 pages long.

PERINO: Mm-hmm.

BOLLING: You can really learn something about the person you're with.

GUTFELD: That's true.

PERINO: I get there, if it takes them forever to order.

BOLLING: That but also do they like Mexican -- you can get Italian food. You can get Mexican food. You can get every type.

GUTFELD: And if you're rude to the waiter, you never have a second date.

ROGINSKY: I agree. But Cheesecake Factory at least has a very nice bar, which Starbucks does not.

BOLLING: And big really 22-ounce beers.


GUTFELD: It's not really a factory, though. I was let down. I was hoping when I went to Cheesecake Factory, there'd be, like, a whole line of teenagers working.

ROGINSKY: There is, and cheesecakes. They're working in cheesecakes.

PERINO: Abusing labor laws?

GUTFELD: Yes. Yes. I have strange dreams.

GUILFOYLE: I love cheesecake.

ROGINSKY: All right. Well, on that note, Kimberly, I'm going to explain Panera to you in the break.

"One More Thing" is up next.


ROGINSKY: No Panera?


BOLLING: All right. Time for "One More Thing." Dana is up first, with a very special guest.

PERINO: It only happens once a year, but America's dog, Jasper, is joining us, much to Greg's disappointment, although I do think he actually kind of likes him.

Jasper, say hello to your fans. Everybody has been waiting for him. So he's going to join us for "One More Thing."

BOLLING: Jasper's a very good boy.

PERINO: He's 3 years old today.

BOLLING: Happy birthday, Jasper.

GUTFELD: You know he looks a lot like Brit Hume?

BOLLING: You see...

PERINO: A bit like Tucker, see?

BOLLING: You see how he looked right in the camera?


BOLLING: You see him look right in the camera?

PERINO: He's the star of the family.

BOLLING: Amazing.

GUTFELD: "Thank you, Dana. Now on to other news."

BOLLING: All right, tonight, make sure you check this out, a very special "O'Reilly Factor" tonight with a very special guest, Ms. Dana Perino.

PERINO: Oh my gosh. I'm everywhere.

GUTFELD: The floating head of Dana Perino.

BOLLING: All right. So we don't condone this here on "The Five," but when a fan jumps on the field, sometimes it's kind of interesting to watch. Watch this guy outrun the security.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Way to go. Way to go. Way to go.


BOLLING: Crime doesn't pay. He was busted.

All right, Greg, you're up.

GUTFELD: All right. Here's why I love capitalism; 7-Eleven, the store, and also the age range of my fans, are doing BYO Slurpee on Saturday.


GUTFELD: In which you can bring any container and fill it up with the Slurpee for a buck 49. There's a woman here, and I think we have a picture, she brought a kiddie pool to fill with a Slurpee. I am going Saturday, and I -- can I show you what I'm bringing? I'm bringing this. This is what I'm doing. (HOLDS UP A TINY PLASTIC CONTAINER)

PERINO: Just your size.

GUTFELD: Just my size.

GUILFOYLE: Is that your Nyquil?

GUTFELD: This is going to last me all day.

PERINO: What else do you do in a cup like that?


GUTFELD: Apparently, you saw my German video.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh, Dana. You're getting really, like, racy lately.

BOLLING: That's a great P.R. stunt on their part. The biggest expense to them isn't the Slurpee; it's the cup.

GUTFELD: Exactly. It really is.

BOLLING: That's true.

K.G., you're up.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Great, so I want to honor someone that I actually had the opportunity to hear speak at the last Navy SEAL Warrior Foundation event. Greg, you were there as well.


GUILFOYLE: And it's retired Navy SEAL Chief Mike Day, who was shot 27 times in Iraq, and he has been in a half Ironman triathlon. Specifically on April 12, he's raising money for wounded veterans living with severe brain injuries.

And he was actually able to change his life and rehabilitate at the Carrick Brain Treatment Center in Dallas, where a lot of our special operators and warriors have been able to get help that they need and transform their lives. So hats off to him. And you can check out webpage there.

BOLLING: Very good. Very good. OK, Julie, you're up.

ROGINSKY: So if you plan on retiring with your girlfriends to Miami, like I am, LEGO essentially is building a set for you. "The Golden Girls" are potentially going to be a new LEGO set. You see. You go...


ROGINSKY: If you go to LEGO and vote, enough votes are cast, they maybe building a "Golden Girls" set, which I think is awesome, because Dana, you and I could be in Miami eating Panera.

GUILFOYLE: What about me?

PERINO: Starbucks.

ROGINSKY: You don't go to Panera or Starbucks.

You're going to be the Rue McClanahan. You're going to be the Blanche of the whole...

GUTFELD: You know, everybody used that thing with "Sex in the City." It's who -- what kind of Golden Girl are you?

ROGINSKY: Of course. I want to be Sophia. She's the most awesome.


PERINO: What am I?

ROGINSKY: You're the Betty White.

GUTFELD: Yes, you're Betty White.

PERINO: That's good. She's popular.


GUILFOYLE: I love "The Golden Girls.

GUTFELD: And she's the only one alive.

ROGINSKY: You want to be Stan?


ROGINSKY: You could be Stan.



BOLLING: See? It all works out.

ROGINSKY: This is fabulous.

GUTFELD: And we still have a minute left.

BOLLING: Let's talk about Jasper.

GUTFELD: He has a "One More Thing." Well, you can't see it...

PERINO: You want to see it?

GUTFELD: No, no.

PERINO: I can thank somebody. Sammy snacks is a company that sent a gift to Jasper last year.

GUILFOYLE: Is that like a mini-cake?

PERINO: It's a mini-cake, but it is for dogs.

GUILFOYLE: He's going to eat it with the plastic on it.

PERINO: He really wants it. I will say, he is much better behaved this year that last year. Remember that.

GUTFELD: Well, he's getting older. Getting older.

ROGINSKY: He's 21 now, right?

PERINO: Tucker Carlson.

BOLLING: He's going to be on "Special Report."

GUILFOYLE: He's jumping on the girls. He loves the ladies. That's for sure.

PERINO: I mean, only on "FOX and Friends" and "The Five" can you get animals. On the show.

GUTFELD: That's right. Yes.

GUILFOYLE: But look at how well behaved, in his little bowtie. He's like Tucker Carlson.

GUTFELD: "All right. Shut up, K.G."

PERINO: He wants his cake.

BOLLING: And thanks to Peter for bringing Jasper in.

GUILFOYLE: Peter, thank you, Peter.

PERINO: Can you just -- Bret Baier right now is thinking, "Come on. Pick it up, people."

BOLLING: Set your DVRs. Never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us, and Bret Baier is on deck. I apologize.

PERINO: Don't forget "O'Reilly."

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