'The Five' react to verdict in Boston bombing trial

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev convicted


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," April 8, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: This is a Fox News alert. Guilty on all
30 counts, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev convicted on all charges in the Boston
marathon bombing. The federal jury took a day and a half to reach its
verdict, which was largely considered a done deal given his lawyer's
admission that Tsarnaev carried out the attacks with his now-deceased older
brother, Tamerlan. The jury must now decide whether the 21-year-old former
college student should be executed. The two bombs that exploded near the
finish line on April 15, 2013, killed three spectators and wounded more
than 260 others. One of those victims reacted to the verdict earlier today.


personality. So when I -- when it first -- when I came for the arraignment,
I was really surprised at how angry I was to see him and how I was happy to
see that he had some pain. I don't want to feel the anger that I think
drove or drives people to do hateful things. So I want to put it behind me.


PERINO: An important American moment, Greg, this is a domestic terror
attack, victims that lost their lives, victims whose lives are changed
forever because they were wounded and they were these victims of an
important American event.


PERINO: Now the Boston marathon was picked for a reason, to attack people
on that day.

GUTFELD: How people so nice? That lady is so nice. With the way she
discussed it, I mean, on my feeling is this is not news until you actually
kill him, because if you don't in 10 years, he's going to have tenure at
some college, because that's what happens if you just hang around long
enough. And again, I go back to this idea that I know that we condemn cruel
and unusual punishment. I get the cruel part but what's wrong with unusual
punishment? What's wrong with being clever and doing something unique? And
who's to judge what's cruel or unusual?

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: It's called creative justice.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

GUILFOYLE: You can brand a whole new program for it.



GUTFELD: Is Jann Wenner going to be a character witness since they put him
on the cover? To get with, so he does (inaudible).

JESSE WATTERS, GUEST CO-HOST: It's a bad week for Rolling
Stone. I mean (inaudible).


GUTFELD: They're a hero.

PERINO: Kimberly, the prosecution is getting widely praised today, because
of its approach. They were able to get guilty verdicts on every count that
they brought. Are you impressed with how they brought the case?

GUILFOYLE: I am. I think they were very systematic about it in their
approach, but you also have to understand the defense attorney didn't
contest the charges essentially. This was going to be a foregone conclusion
with respect to the counts. Now is where it's going to get interesting,
because they're going to do the penalty phase with these same jurors. Five
men, seven women, and they will determine whether or not he should get life
without the possibility of parole or there should be a more exacting
justice and execute him for the crimes that he's committed. Again, they
only have to prove one factor in aggravation, and there are whole list of
them including vulnerable victim with a young boy that was killed and
specifically, that man placed that bomb in close proximity to that young
little boy, and that's what took his life. I think that is going to be so
compelling that there's no way a jury's going to be able to get around it.

PERINO: The prosecution, Juan, also put the father of the little boy that
died on the stand last week and I was just imagining what it would be like
to be a juror to bear witness to that and how they must feel like a little
bit of a weight is lifted off their shoulders today, because they were able
to deliver guilty verdicts on all 30 counts.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: I don't know what it's like for the
jury. It's that my suspicion is that this wasn't a hard case for them
because, as Kimberly said, I mean the defense was minimal. They -- I think,
put on four witnesses and did it in less than a half a day, basically it
was an overnight you know, end of one afternoon, start of the next morning,
and they were done because, they don't want the focus to be on innocence or
guilt. They want the focus to be on the influence of the older brother on
the younger brother in order to save the younger brother's life. But, you
know, there's no question that when I read the testimony of the dad, you
know, your heart just goes out I mean, you're watching your child die.

PERINO: The terrorist, Jesse, it was reported that every time he walked out
of the courtroom, he did so without any emotion, without making eye contact
with anyone else. Do you think he actually feels anything?

WATTERS: I think he's a callous killer and you can't feel anything if you
did what he did. He put BBs and nails in a pressure cooker, detonated it
for maximum carnage right next to the finish line where the women and
children were. This is pure evil. This guy's cut from the same cloth of
these killers and these radical Muslims all across the Middle East. These
are the same guys that the president wants to give jobs to. That the
president's negotiating with, that Hillary Clinton says she wants to
empathize with.

GUILFOYLE: That he wants to release from GITMO?

WATTERS: Right, the left, well you know, thinks the GITMO is too cramped
for these people. And we sometimes you just have to stare evil in the face
and that are what Boston did. I remember after 9/11 in New York, there were
a lot of liberals that thought enough. We're not going to do this anymore,
you know, we're not going to dance around this and I think there's a lot of
liberals in Boston right now that are feeling the same way. You've got to
stay on offense right now.

PERINO: Alright. We have another topic that we want to bring to you. It's
another heartbreaking story. This one in South Carolina, police officer
Michael Slager has been charged with murder in the shooting death of an
unarmed man, Walter Scott, following a traffic stop. This morning Scott's
family reacted to the tragedy.


WALTER SCOTT SR., FATHER OF THE VICTIM: I see no reason for that deadly
force, because I've -- the reason I chosen better (ph) than that, my son
knew better. When I saw that, I said to myself, no, I know that's not true.
Because Walter would have -- whatever he said to do, Walter would have done


PERINO: Earlier today, the mayor of North Charleston announced the firing
of officer Slager and fast tracked new steps for his police force going


decision and have notified my counsel, we have already ordered this morning
an additional 150 body cameras, so that every officer that's on the street
in uniform will have a body camera. This has been a horrible tragedy,
within our community. There have been two families that have been harmed
great by what occurred, both the victims and the officer's family, and our
hearts go out to both of them.


PERINO: Apparently, those first steps were enough as members of the
community still voiced their displeasure during the briefing.



CROWD: No peace.


CROWD: No peace.


CROWD: No peace.


CROWD: No peace.


PERINO: Alright. Kimberly, let me go to you first. Because you used to
prosecute crimes, when you see something like this and you have evidence
from a cell phone video that, I don't think anyone here is going to
disagree that the charge of murder seems absolutely appropriate.

GUILFOYLE: And it's been pretty swift. When they say, no justice, no peace,
the law has moved very quickly in this regard with charging the officer
with murder. They should be able to construct the time line rather quickly,
because there is a videotape of the original traffic stop, plus the
subsequent shooting where the victim is killed, as we are looking at on the
video. And this is part of the team that -- I was on the shooting team for
the San Francisco D.A.'s office. That means any time there was an officer-
involved shooting, involving an individual, you got a paid (ph) and you go
out to the scene and you right away start to collect evidence to determine
whether or not it was a justifiable shooting, meaning good shooting or a
bad shooting. This right now, the evidence, again, he's entitled to his day
in court, does not look good for the officer. And then you couple that with
some problems in his past that could have been indicators, it's a very
unfortunate situation. I think they're trying to get out ahead of this so
that there aren't more riots, looting, loss of property, damage or life and
control the situation.

PERINO: You've been following this, Greg. What are your thoughts?

GUTFELD: Well, I think the no justice, no peace, if you follow that, there
should be peace, because what right now what you're seeing is justice. And
this is the great thing about that horrible, horrible tape and why it's
necessary that cameras are everywhere. I didn't see a black man killed by a
white cop. I saw a man shoot another man in the back. I saw an actual act.
There's no -- you can't -- you can't theorize. You can't, you can't come up
with hypothetical. You actually see that. Unlike talking heads like us or
activists, the camera sees more than color. The camera captures the actual
incident, an incident that in my view cannot be justified. What I saw there
and I talked to -- law enforcement, it's just unbelievable, but what that
you would shoot somebody as they're, as they're moving away from you, and
then supposedly perhaps planting evidence to make it look like, you know,
you were justified. But that cop was caught because of a camera. Another
cop might be exonerated because of a camera. Cameras, unlike people, are
unbiased and this is the answer. I used to be against these -- I used to be
against cameras, because I thought they interfered with policing. I
realized how wrong I am because, everybody can come up with their own
opinion about a crime when it's not seen. But when you see that, it's --

WILLIAMS: I don't know. What would you say about Staten Island and Eric

GUTFELD: I -- I felt horrible when I saw that. That camera showed a man
that was being arrested over a loose cigarette.

WILLIAMS: Yeah. So I'm saying, now there was a camera.


WILLIAMS: And the guy -- the police officers were not indicted by the grand
jury. But in this case, there was a camera. I will say that sometimes you
don't know the beginning before the camera's turned on.

GUTFELD: That's true.

WILLIAMS: So you don't see everything. But, in this case, I wondered what
would have happened if there's not a camera. Because remember, the police
officer calls in and says that he was in the scuffle with this man. The man
tried to get his stun gun and then he felt that he was threatened.


WILLIAMS: The Supreme Court says, if you're an officer and you feel
threaten, well then, you have a right to use deadly force. But there was
clear from this video --

GUILFOYLE: But this is excessive force (inaudible).

WILLIAMS: There was no dead -- no need for deadly force in this case. The
one other thing that I think is so important here is because everyone's
connecting dots to Ferguson as well as Staten Island and Cleveland and all
the rest. Is that you look at this community, North Charleston, and you
know, it's now almost half black because, you know, gentrification going on
in Charleston, so you have black community, poor people moving out. And as
you have that happening, 80 percent of this police force is white. And I --
so you said, you know, I don't see black and white, but I've got to tell
you from my eyes, Greg, I do see black and white. I see specifically, poor
black people who are in a tense relationship with white police in this

PERINO: Do you think body cameras help?

WATTERS: I do. With what Juan said, I mean, I understand that there's a lot
of black people in this community and there's a lot more white people on
the police force. A lot of black people aren't applying to be police
officers, number one, so they don't -- they actually had to do outreach to
find them, and they can't find them. If you take that to a logical
extension too, do you have to be black to police a black neighborhood? You
can't be white? I mean, do, do --

WILLIAMS: No. I didn't say that.

WATTERS: Do black students need to be taught by black teachers? I just
don't know if that's the issue, but what I did see on that video was
absolutely revolting. It looks like the guy was driving around in a Benz
with a busted taillight. He fled on foot. There was a scuffle. I didn't see
much of a scuffle, because you don't really know what happened beforehand,
and then the guy's -- you know, turning his back and he empties the gun in
his back. Now, the Supreme Court, like you said says, you can shoot this
guy if he poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to
the officer or others. He wasn't armed and he was running away, and the guy
wasn't looking very athletic. He's 50. He's fumbling around. He was no
threat at all.

GUILFOYLE: This is terrible.

WATTERS: So the cop actually kind of looked like a lazy coward. It's like
he didn't want a foot pursuit. He just wanted to drop the guy.

WATTERS: So I -- and I just want to praise the guy that filmed it.

WILLIAMS: Let me -- let me speak to your point.


WILLIAMS: You said, Oh, you can't, if you take this out, then every -- you
know, why do you need more black cops? Because if they don't qualify, et
cetera. Let me tell you something. I think it's, like, 65 percent of the
traffic stops, North Charleston, blacks. For what the same thing this guy
was stopped for? A busted taillight? The guy -- you know had some warrants
out, because he didn't pay child support or something like that. So when
you see that and then most of the cops are white and half the population's
black, you do get in a state like South Carolina, you're going to get a lot
of racial tension that is not good for your community, Jesse.

WATTERS: I understand, but I don't think the guy ran away from the white
cop, because of racial tension. He ran away from the white cop, because he
had a warrant for failing to pay child support.


WATTERS: I just don't see it as a racial issue. You may see it as a racial
issue --

WILLIAMS: I don't know --

WATTERS: That's fine.

WILLIAMS: But Jesse, I don't know --

WATTERS: I just don't think the cop was racist for shooting this guy.

WILLIAMS: No, Jesse. Jesse, I'm just telling you --

WATTERS: I just don't see it.

GUILFOYLE: I mean, you don't think that was the basis of the shooting.

WILLIAMS: Don't be dismissive --

WATTERS: I don't think he said this guy's black. I'm going to pull the

WILLIAMS: I don't know what he said.

WATTERS: I don't know what was in his mind.

WILLIAMS: I don't know what he said.

WATTERS: But I can't, I can't tell what was in his mind. And for you to
say, maybe that's an issue.

WILLIAMS: No, I didn't. I said that if you look at the number of stops --
traffic stops in this community, 65 percent are black people.

GUILFOYLE: Right, but guess what?

WILLIAMS: And overwhelmingly, you have a white police force, you have
racial tension. And I guess --

GUILFOYLE: I know, but Juan, Juan --

WILLIAMS: It's like for black community.

GUILFOYLE: You got to pull it. People are violating law. Forget -- what
happened here is horrendous. It is awful. It is something that we don't
want to ever see it happen one time. But the point is, if I'm driving and
I've got a taillight busted or an officer has probable cause to pull me
over and do a traffic stop -- which has happened to me, I've got to comply
with it.


GUILFOYLE: That's just the rules. Those apply regardless of color.


GUILFOYLE: Regardless of race.

WILLIAMS: That's fine.

GUILFOYLE: Regardless of socioeconomic conditions or the community you're

WILLIAMS: But what I'm saying is, but you should be more subject because of
your race, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: No. But you're making --

WATTERS: So he pulled him over because he is black --

GUILFOYLE: But you just --you just said that there are more African-
American --

WATTERS: And he had busted taillight.


WILLIAMS: I'm telling you, there seem to be a pattern.

GUILFOYLE: But you just said there were more African-Americans in that

WATTERS: Juan --


GUILFOYLE: So if he supposed to go and look to find more white people?

WILLIAMS: No, I say. You look at Ferguson --

GUILFOYLE: That could have -- you know what I'm saying?

WILLIAMS: No, I don't, because you look at Ferguson, and it was the same
pattern. If the same pattern that people who have these minor --
infractions are stopped by cops.

GUILFOYLE: I just -- I don't see it.

WATTERS: Wait a second.

GUILFOYLE: I don't think --

WATTERS: Wasn't it a minor infraction to punch a guy in the face at a
liquor store like Mike Brown did?

WILLIAMS: That was -- I don't even know --

WATTERS: That wasn't a minor infraction.

PERINO: Let's get a last word from Greg Gutfeld.0

GUTFELD: Why -- do you know, the media and the president constantly said,
you should never use the acts -- the acts of extremist or isolated
criminals to smear an entire religion. You have to do the same for the
police. There are still an amazing group of people out there that are
protecting us and saving lives. I was at the gym again, and Carol Costello
decided -- from CNN, decided to go after Rudy Giuliani. Rudy Giuliani
didn't shoot, this man. He had -- she shown --

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: Tape of him, previously defending cops. Therefore, implying --


GUTFELD: That he had something to do with this. If a Muslim bombs a
marathon, do you go after people who then defend the Muslim faith? No, you
don't. So you have to do -- so going after Giuliani, because he defends an
organization that he's part of, seems awful.

WILLIAMS: Not (inaudible), will defending the broken windows theory. Which
I have of that --

GUTFELD: It had nothing to do with this.


GUTFELD: The point is focus on the incident. You have footage of the
incident. You no longer have to see this through the prism of race.


GUTFELD: You only have, that in front of you, a man shoots another man in
the back and kills him.

PERINO: Alright.

GUILFOYLE: Speaks for itself.


PERINO: OK. Coming up, President Obama takes another shot at Christians
this time at the White House Easter prayer breakfast. The remarks have
sparked outrage.

GUTFELD: Sparked.

PERINO: My favorite phrase. Next on, The Five.

GUTFELD: Sparked.


GUTFELD: So the president spoke at the annual prayer breakfast where he's
required by law to give FNC, something to talk about. It's in his contract.


GUTFELD: So he said this.


reflect on the fact that as a Christian, I am supposed to love. And I have
to say that sometimes, when I've listened to less-than-loving expressions
by Christians, I get concerned. But that's a topic for another day.



GUTFELD: Perfect trolling, Mr. Obama. You just gave me a monologue I could
write upside down, in my sleep on a pogo stick, which is why I didn't. You
made it too easy. Seriously, it's just too easy to nail you for the
adolescent petulance you mistake for speaking truth to power. You really
showed those Christians, that is a way cooler than bringing up a Kenyan
massacre. And yet, it's too easy to nail the hypocrisy that allows to you
smear Christians as a group, while condemning those who do the same to
Muslims. And it's just too easy to nail you for chiding people who only a
few years ago, you agreed with completely. Truly, during Obama's
accelerated evolution, he naturally selected for amnesia.

But that's not the real outrage. How about this?


OBAMA: I can't say that our work during this season is comparable but, you should try dealing with thousands of people in your backyard on an Easter egg roll. After that, you need quiet reflection.


OBAMA: Particularly, because I had some of my nephews, who are -- six and four -- in my house all weekend. And you need quiet reflection after that.


OBAMA: Girls are different than boys.


GUTFELD: What? What kind of prehistoric thinking is that? What kind of heteronormative, sexist, trans-ist, garbage did he just spew so carelessly? Girls are different than boys? Since when? Need I remind you Mr. President, it's that thinking that keeps girls trapped in their manufactured gender roles, a prison of patriarchy designed to preserve the misogynistic hierarchy of western capitalism. Girls are no different than boys, Mr. President. And what's with calling them girls? So sexist! How genderist! Or maybe that's a topic for another day.

Dana, we would fall into the trap if we expressed too much outrage over this, because this is
perfect, it's -- that's (inaudible) fodder.

PERINO: Did you see the look on his face?


PERINO: He knows the entire time that he's reading those remarks like, I
got them now.

GUTFELD: Yeah, exactly.

PERINO: I got them just right where I want them, and I want to do this at
the prayer breakfast, because I know it will irritate them. I did not get
irritated. I just accepted that --


PERINO: That's who he is.

GUTFELD: Could he adjust (ph), he is kind of predictable at this point. He
-- it's not really speaking truth to power when you go after Christians,
because they're not going to chase you.

WATTERS: Right, right. Either cut your head off.


WATTERS: But you hit the nail on the head. I mean, Obama's basically saying
that, if you're against gay marriage, then you're less than loving. Well,
two years ago he was against gay marriage, so obviously he's less than

PERINO: Or just cynically political.

WATTERS: Or just cynically political. Now, he doesn't go to Muslim events
and (inaudible) Muslims, he just seems to do this at Christian events. And
he's got a little pattern going on here. Remember, he whitewashed the
Christian genocide, couple days ago. He said Christians need to get off
their high horse about the crusades, bow to the Saudi king. He barely ever
goes to church, went to Reverend Wright's church a lot.


WATTERS: He kind of makes people wonder about his Christian faith, and then
all of a sudden people question his Christian faith, he gets very offended.
Well, maybe if you said nice things about Christians once in a while,
people wouldn't really have a problem with it.

GUTFELD: Do you think, Juan, I'll be the devil's advocate here, that he's
actually complimenting the Christian faith, by being able to criticize it?
Because --


GUTFELD: Because, being afraid of criticizing a religion is actually an
insult, because you're afraid of being killed.

WILLIAMS: Wow, that's possible with Islam, right?


WILLIAMS: And I think a lot of his verbal strategy is to avoid ever
condemning Islam directly. So do speak, don't say that the United States
and the president of the United States is conducting a war on Islam. So he
wants to avoid that pratfall at all costs. But I do -- I am troubled by the
idea that he didn't take the opportunity to talk about --


WILLIAMS: The murders of Christians.


WILLIAMS: Specifically, Christians in Kenya and what happened in Libya,
where the Coptic Christians were beheaded by ISIS.


PERINO: In Nigeria.

WILLIAMS: But I will say -- you know, to me, I don't see that. By the way,
I don't agree with you guys on this point about - you know Christians never
say bad things. I think he has --


GUILFOYLE: We never said that, Juan.

WILLIAMS: OK, alright (inaudible).

GUILFOYLE: What show are you sitting on?

WILLIAMS: OK. Because I -- no. Because I think you were making fun of him
when he said, you know I'm not gonna go into this, and he knew, you knew it
he was going to step on a land mine and everybody was going to go up, and
Fox News is going to get him. That's why he stayed away from it. But it's -
- it's you know, you look at the history, the history is very real from
Westboro Baptist Church on down.

GUTFELD: Yeah, but that's the only example you're going to find.

WILLIAMS: No, it's not.

GUTFELD: Really? So there are a lot of Westboros?

WILLIAMS: Not a lot of Westboro thank goodness.


WILLIAMS: No, I'm saying --

PERINO: He just made a deal with a country that once to wipe Israel off the
face of the map (ph).

WILLIAMS: To stop them from --

PERINO: That's so during the negotiations.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, that stops them from doing.
GUILFOYLE: Very interesting, isn't it?


GUILFOYLE: Acting like a reluctant Christian.

GUTFELD: Well --

GUILFOYLE: And always -- things that are coming out is not, not favorable,
not acknowledging, he's the president of the United States. He had a really
good opportunity here to do something to condemn this religious genocide
that is happening throughout the world that he did not take it. He
specifically chose not to make it up or say something to make this known
that we don't condemn -- condone this type of behavior. What does that tell

GUTFELD: Maybe he thought it was just too obvious.

WATTERS: I think the hypocrisy here is, is that when Muslims kill
Christians, Obama's very aware of trying to dissociate the action from the
religion. But, when say a Christian baker theoretically won't make a
wedding cake for a gay couple, the president purposely associates the
action with the religion.

WILLIAMS: I don't know where he is that --

WATTERS: Yes he did.


PERINO: He just did.

WATTERS: He didn't try it separate it at all.


WATTERS: He tried to make it about Christianity.

WILLIAMS: About Christianity?

WATTERS: This was a veiled shot at the bakers --


WILLIAMS: This is not.

WATTERS: In Indiana.

WILLIAMS: Get out of here. You're stretching now, man.

WATTERS: I was, what is it, Juan?

PERINO: What's he referring to?

WILLIAMS: You were stretching to the point of being popped.

WATTERS: I'm already loose.

WILLIAMS: You're loose like a goose on this one, because that's really a
bunch in.

WATTERS: I think I wanna loose with the truth.

GUTFELD: I'll tell you one thing, I am not baking a cake for that prayer


PERINO: They don't eat cake at breakfast.

GUTFELD: Well, I do. I eat cake for breakfast --

PERINO: Pancakes.

GUTFELD: And lunch. And I have --

PERINO: I guess pancakes are cakes --

GUTFELD: Cakes -- exactly.


PERINO: In a pan.

GUTFELD: I had birthday cake for breakfast.

GUILFOYLE: I prefer --

GUTFELD: Who does that?

GUILFOYLE: I prefer wedding cakes.

WILLIAMS: Warren Buffett.

GUTFELD: Yes, that's crazy.

WILLIAMS: Warren Buffett has ice cream in it.

GUILFOYLE: No, wedding cake is the most delicious.

GUTFELD: Oh, well you would know.


GUTFELD: Up next, a cyber attack at the White House and State Department
has investigators seeing red, you know, because they're Russians? Is it
Russian a blame? Details, when The Five returns.


WILLIAMS: Another disturbing development in the cyber war being waged
against us, and this time it's the Russians. New reports that Putin's
hackers gained access to sensitive information at the State Department and
the White House, including President Obama's private schedule.

The administration's downplaying the impact of the breach, saying it didn't
affect their, quote, "classified systems." But a Kremlin spokesman
dismissed the claims.

Meanwhile, the former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency says it's,
quote, "very likely," unquote, that Hillary's private server was hacked
while she was secretary of state.


MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: What do you think the odds are that the
Chinese, the Russians hacked into that server and her e-mail account?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Very high, likely.

KELLY: Really?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, likely. They're very good at it. Those two kinds
-- you know, China, Russia, Iran, potentially the North Koreans. I mean,
these are countries -- and other countries who may be, you know, quote,
unquote, our allies because they can.


WILLIAMS: Kimberly, you know, everybody's talking these days about
everything from hacks on, you know, big companies like Target, your credit
card, your health care. The idea that the Russians, in the middle of the
Ukrainian crisis, because that's apparently when this happened, were able
to breach State Department and White House...


WILLIAMS: ... that's a threat to our national security.

GUILFOYLE: Of course it is. And the first thing that I can think of is
maybe Trey Gowdy can cut a deal with the Russians and get all the emails
and all the correspondence that Hillary conveniently deleted.

WILLIAMS: You know, I think this is way more serious than that.

GUILFOYLE: I'm telling you. I mean, they have the information. The
American people and taxpayers do not. Can you imagine the vulnerabilities
that have been placed into the system now and into the world? The fact
that people who are working very actively in concert as our enemies now
have access to that kind of privileged information. It's a huge problem.


GUILFOYLE: Where were the safety nets to make sure that someone like
Hillary couldn't have someone delete e-mails and remove stuff from the
server, but now foreign countries and enemies are able to access it and
have it, looking through their folders, reading it all right now in.

WILLIAMS: And in fact, they went through the State Department server. So
Jesse, Jim Clapper, the director of national intelligence, back in
February, he said the threat from the Russians -- and I thought it was the
Chinese. But the threat from the Russians is more severe than we

WATTERS: Yes. So I mean, the Russians attacked the White House and the
State Department. I mean, maybe that's what Obama meant when he said it's
the most transparent administration. You can get right through it.

I mean, who's in charge of cybersecurity? The same people that built the
Obamacare website? There is a pattern here. They don't really care that
much about security and cybersecurity. You had the White House intruder.
You had Benghazi. You have open borders down there in Mexico. The Secret
Service is running wild. I don't know what's going on. The Chinese, the
Russians are hacking us. There's just really no priority there.

PERINO: You know what I love about that? I love that, like, you can take
anything and connect it right back.

WATTERS: I connect the dots.

PERINO: That is amazing.

WILLIAMS: Yes, I share, you're amazing. But let me just say, in response
to, that President Obama did sign, I believe it was just last week, an
order that said there are will be sanctions used against cyber hackers that
threaten U.S. interests. Is that enough?

WATTERS: Ooh, sanctions.


WATTERS: I'm sure Russia is quaking in their boots.


WATTERS: The sanction threat really worked with Crimea, too.

PERINO: When they open up Iran, they'll just do their business there.

PERINO: I think that these cyber-attacks are actually a daily occurrence.
Attempts to get into the White House, State Department, every other
sensitive servers across the government that is happening on a daily basis.
We should assume that they have that, and we should try to, at least at the
State Department and other vulnerable places, make sure that we have more
protections. And it also does...

GUILFOYLE: And we could hire some Russians.

PERINO: It does show how reckless Hillary Clinton's decision was...


PERINO: ... to have a private e-mail server at her home. Even if she was
e-mailing about Chelsea's wedding dress, that was irresponsible, reckless
and possibly against the law.

GUILFOYLE: But also, they were probably able to -- they were able to read
this in real time as situations are developing across different
geopolitical arenas. They're saying exactly what she's -- right there
they're probably watching, reading exactly what she's writing as we speak.
It's unbelievable.

PERINO: So Gregory, according to the White House, yes, they had access to
unclassified materials. Then they say yes, so that means they may have had
access to the president's schedule. But you know, why do you want the
Russians knowing where the president is?

GUTFELD: Yes. I mean, all they've got to do is go to a golf course. Am I
right? Am I right?

The threat is not Russia. It's not Chinese. It's Americans. The greatest
threat to our national security was Snowden. The biggest leak was Snowden
with the assistance of Glen Greenwald, who's always been against the war on
terror. So I mean, the Russians didn't need to come close to that..

But I have -- again, I always offer advice. This is about passwords. And
as usual, the most effective passwords, for protective purposes, have three
parts. It's usually the name of someone you wish to sleep with, the name
of the smartest person you know, and the name of the most selfless person
you know. So essentially, it's Greg John Gutfeld.

WILLIAMS: Oh, I thought it was going to be my name, but don't worry.

GUILFOYLE: You want to sleep with yourself?

GUTFELD: Unfortunately, I have to.

WILLIAMS: By the way, I learned a new phrase when I was reading about
this, spearphishing. I've never heard this. You heard this before? Where
the bad guys come in, and they ask you for permission so that they can get
further into your system. They're just -- it's like the Nigerian e-mails
you were talking about.

PERINO: Juan, how can this be new to you?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, Juan, where have you been?

PERINO: It's 2015.

GUILFOYLE: He's so delicate and precious and protected.

WILLIAMS: No. Did you know that term spearphishing?


WILLIAMS: I just didn't know.


PERINO: Didn't you see all the signs around the building, like fish --
those little posters with little fish on it?

WILLIAMS: You guys got me that time.

PERINO: I'll take you upstairs.

WILLIAMS: I'm guilty.

New revelations on what really happened behind closed doors between Bill
and Hillary Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal. Will they affect the
former first lady's potential 2016 run? Details when "The Five" comes
right back.


GUILFOYLE: With Hillary Clinton expected to launch her second attempt at a
presidential bid soon, Washington is again buzzing about the Clinton White
House years and what took place behind closed doors during the Monica
Lewinsky scandal.

In a new book titled "The Residence," journalist and author Kate Anderson
Brower reveals the then-first family's private pain as seen through the
eyes of White House staffers.


KATE BROWER, AUTHOR, "THE RESIDENCE": During the Lewinsky scandal, it was
a very tumultuous time to be there. One florist said that the second and
third floors of the White House were like a morgue. It was so quiet.

KELLY: She threw a book at him? He had to get stitches because of
something she threw at him?

BROWER: Right. All the staffers -- the rumor was that she threw a book at
him after an argument. One of the staffers was called up to their bedroom
and saw blood on the bed.


GUILFOYLE: He's lucky he wasn't married to a Puerto Rican woman. He
wouldn't be getting a book. You know what I'm saying?

All right. Brower also explains how the Clintons went to great lengths to
secure their privacy.


KELLY: What did they do with the phone lines?

BROWER: Well, they changed all the phone lines to interior circuitry so
that they could make calls out themselves. Before they would have to go
through an operator, and they didn't like the idea of someone listening in
on their phone calls.


GUILFOYLE: OK. So Greg, obviously this was a very difficult time and
especially with all eyes on them, you know, nowhere to hide.

GUTFELD: Yes. This is the primary reason to vote for Hillary. Because
it's like a sequel to a classic madcap comedy with all the same actors.

If Hillary becomes the next president, America should buy a bucket of
popcorn that feeds 300 million, and we can just sit there and watch. I
think she should make slogans based on this possibility. "She chucks, he
ducks 2016." "If the dress is damp, watch the lamp, 2016."

WATTERS: Ooh. Ooh.


GUTFELD: "Finish first with Bill and Hillary."

WATTERS: Oh, wow.


WATTERS: You know, I actually...

GUILFOYLE: Good decision to go to first you on that. Wow.

WATTERS: I think that -- wow.

PERINO: I don't get that one.


GUTFELD: That's the best part about this show.

WATTERS: But Bill had a reason to be scared of snitches, I think, because
you had the Troopergate situation, where they broke bro code and told
everybody about how they used to arrange quickies for the governor.

And then they had the former White House staff, where there was a
Republican administration for 12 years. You had the Reagans in there for
two terms. You had the Bushes. So they were a little leery.

And you know what? The Clintons were right to be leery, because look,
these staff members, they sang to this author and totally violated their

PERINO: That's pretty terrible.

WATTERS: And now I kind of like it because it's juicy. And I think Greg
has a point. Some of these people in this country are like, you know, we
can't go back to the '90s. We don't have to relive this. It's
undignified. But the rest of the country is, man, this is juicy. We like
this. It sells magazines. Break out the popcorn.

This whole Clinton family circus, I think, can kind of just like roll right
back into the White House. And I think people would be all right with it.

GUTFELD: Like a "Friends" reunion. A "Friends" reunion.

GUILFOYLE: Speaking of which...

WATTERS: Oh, Ross?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, Ross. Slash. But I see more, like, Jeff Spicoli, special

WATTERS: What are you calling me, a stoner?

GUILFOYLE: After yesterday's segment.

OK, Juan, you look kind of gleeful. What do you think?

WILLIAMS: Well, I was -- it's just great gossip. I mean, she had him
sleeping on the sofa, it said, outside the bedroom.

GUILFOYLE: That's nice.

WILLIAMS: That's nice? I'm not going to mess with you, kid. Man, I'm
telling you.

GUTFELD: Yes, you'd do the garage.

GUILFOYLE: Body parts.

WILLIAMS: But you know what? I mean, I wonder if women don't think, you
know, Hillary actually could have done anything, thrown a lamp. You said,
you know...

GUILFOYLE: Right, right.

WILLIAMS: ... I won't -- you said a Puerto Rican woman. But I mean, she
should be throwing his stuff out on the lawn, cut up his suits, done
anything to him.

PERINO: That would have been awesome. On the South Lawn.

WILLIAMS: Oh, you like that?

PERINO: Can you imagine the visual?

WILLIAMS: Dana, you're a nice person. Why would you cut up a man's suit?

PERINO: Well...

GUTFELD: When did you do that?

PERINO: Wait. How did this happen? First I don't get the joke.

GUTFELD: You'd have to cut up a suit belonging to a ken doll.

PERINO: Yes. Well, it took a long time.

WILLIAMS: But you know what the best part of the book is?


WILLIAMS: LBJ. My goodness.

GUTFELD: About the hot showers?

WILLIAMS: Yes. The hot showers. He's got all these strange devices. Oh,
my God! Stop it, stop it!

GUILFOYLE: You couldn't handle Biden swimming naked. Midnight swim.

WATTERS: Oh, man.

GUILFOYLE: Dana, do you have anything dignified or civilized in this
horrendously trashy segment?

PERINO: I just think that families are entitled to privacy. Every couple
fights. They obviously went through a very public, horrific thing for a
marriage, and they came out. You know, they're still together. And so...

WILLIAMS: Wait a second. I have a secret message coming in. It's from
Peter. Peter, what, what? Oh. You never have fought with Dana? Not

GUILFOYLE: No. He throws in the flag, he says. Why bother?

WATTERS: She's never wrong. Why fight her?

PERINO: Exactly.

GUILFOYLE: She's our Little Miss Sunshine.

When we come back, Mr. Confidence himself, Jesse Watters, people, shares
some tips on how self-assurance can lead you to success next.


WATTERS: Learning to be confident is clearly an important leadership
skill. I mean, look at me. It takes a pretty self-assured person to host
"Watters' World," right?

But it is really truly confident people that sets them apart from everyone
else. According to Forbes, among other things, they get their happiness
from within, don't pass judgment, don't say yes unless they really want to,
and listen more than they speak.

OK. Gutfeld, also, confident people don't seek attention. So you must
crippled with insecurity.

GUTFELD: It's true. I am. Confidence, I believe, is harmful to your
health. Every daredevil was confident before they were plunging to their
death. The last thought they have in their head is, "Boy, was this a
stupid idea." People who lack confidence do better because they try
harder. They prepare. They think they're going to fail. So they get up
earlier. They're like Dana. You've got notes and everything. Like if
you're not -- if you're insecure before a speech, your speech is great.

PERINO: I agree.

GUTFELD: If you're confident, your speech fails.

PERINO: When I was at the White House and getting ready to go to a press
briefing, if you walk down there thinking that everything was good and you
were very confident, I always said turn back around. Go back to your
office, because you're going to miss something.

GUTFELD: What's your advice? You have advice.

PERINO: I have advice.


WATTERS: I was going to say, it also says confident people seek out small

GUILFOYLE: I'm with that one.

PERINO: "Small" being the operative word.

WATTERS: Is that the one you do?

PERINO: I like the one of don't pass judgment. I think that's important.

WATTERS: That is very important. Juan, it also says confident people not
afraid to be wrong. So you must be brimming with confidence.

WILLIAMS: No, no. You know, I agree with Dana. You're not alive if
you're not nervous, I think. You know? You've just got to have that.
And, you know, I thought that was the one thing I fell short on. Because I
always think I would write more novels if I wasn't totally confident. But
I'm afraid someone's not going to like it.

The thing that most -- that most impressed me about this was that, if
you're confident, you will do better at romance than people who are good-

GUTFELD: Of course.

WATTERS: Kimberly, you like confident men, obviously.

GUILFOYLE: I love that.

WATTERS: It says a guy should speak with certainty.

GUILFOYLE: I like that.

WATTERS: You like that, right? Even if they're wrong and strong, you


WATTERS: Own it.

GUILFOYLE: I would punish you if you were wrong, but you might enjoy it.

The thing is, you've got to speak with confidence and clarity, be a
communicator. But I like some of these others on here, which is celebrate
other people. I love to do that.

GUTFELD: Lovely.

GUILFOYLE: It's very nice. It makes you feel good about yourself, about
them. Don't make it about you. Somebody accomplishes something great like
D.P.'s book coming out, fantastic. You know, it's exciting, and you can
share in that.

And I think don't be afraid to ask for help. If you don't know the answers
or you need some assistance ask somebody to say, "Hey, how can I do this
better, or do you have an idea or a fresh approach?" I think that's very

WATTERS: I learned how to be confident at the altar of "O'Reilly." I

GUTFELD: Does he really have an altar? I noticed there's a lot of pets

WATTERS: All right.

GUILFOYLE: What? You're going to be in so much trouble. You didn't
adequately defend him.

WATTERS: "One More Thing" is up next.


PERINO: Time now for "One More Thing." Jesse, you get to go first.

WATTERS: So if you watched the show yesterday, I was a little rough
yesterday on Rand Paul. Now, I want to say that I actually do like some of
the things he does. He doesn't take any garbage from the media. Check
this out.


SAVANNAH GUTHRIE, NBC, "THE TODAY SHOW": You have had views in the past on
foreign policy that are somewhat unorthodox, but you seem to have changed
over the years. You once offered to drastically...



GUTHRIE: ... wait, wait, wait. Once drastically wanted to cut defense
spending, and now you want to increase it 60 percent.

PAUL: Why don't you let me explain instead of talking over me, OK?

You ask a question and you say, "Have your views changed"? instead of
editorializing and saying my views have changed.


WATTERS: So that was a good job by the good doctor. And on that I stand
with Rand.

GUILFOYLE: Maybe Sergio will invite you to a party now.

WATTERS: Sergio. Love you buddy.


PERINO: I'm so sad. Greg, you're next.

GUTFELD: It's time for...


GUTFELD: Greg's Sports Corner.


GUTFELD: As a former professional baseball player, I've seen a lot of
interesting first pitches. I remember Arlene Galonka from Mayberry P.D.
That was one of my favorites.

But the most impressive were my summer interns, who are now in Japan.
They're at the Tohoku Rakuten Golden Eagles game. I let them travel when
I'm busy. This is them throwing up the first pitch.

WILLIAMS: Oh, my gosh.

GUTFELD: They're quite impressive. I actually taught them this
choreography in my spare time in my basement. Not the best pitch, but it's
not about the pitch. It's about the energy and the excitement one carries
along when doing anything. They were arrested later.

GUILFOYLE: Did you play baseball for Serra High School?

GUTFELD: Are you kidding me?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, no way, dude.

PERINO: Baseball is Japan's game.

GUILFOYLE: Unless you played catcher.

GUTFELD: What does that mean?

PERINO: Wow. I even got that one.

Juan, save us.

WILLIAMS: Oh, my gosh. Well, I can't because this is a crazy story. For
$20 if you go online you can get a novelty bible called "The Book of
Yeezus," in which they replace mentions of God with the name of Kanye West.

PERINO: Oh, my goodness. Terrible.

WILLIAMS: This is so awful. Talk about confidence deflators. I don't
know. This guy, this is out of control. But it's apparently a novelty
item, and it play off of his song, a "Book of Yeezus," a nod to one of his

But again, I -- this is so out of control, so sacrilegious and crazy I
don't even know what to say.

GUILFOYLE: There are no words really.

Yes. OK. Speaking of equipment coaches and NFL and baseball and all of
that good stuff, we have a winner, ladies and gentlemen. There she is.
Sarah Thomas will be the first full-time female official in NFL history.
She's going to be a line judge initially, but then she'll have the ability,
based on performance, to move into other roles, including the highest
position of referee.

I'm super excited about this. I think it's great. I mean, had I known the
job was available I would have applied.

GUTFELD: You would have been great.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. And she's going to be on Greta tonight. So you're going
to be able to hear everything. Greta's going to do a great interview, and
hear from the lady herself.

PERINO: OK. I've got one which is for college grads. QuadJobs. Remember
this name. You go on this and you register and tell people what your job
qualifications are. Then you can hook up with local employers who are
looking to try to match up with jobs. So if you need things like tutoring
for your kid, dog walking, baby sitting or anything more, it's really good.

GUTFELD: This is a fake website I set up. It's all coming to me.

PERINO: I knew there was going to be something like that. So just be
careful; make sure it's not Greg.

Set your DVRs. Never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us.
Thank goodness. "Special Report" is next.

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