Hillary Clinton's email excuses

If you think Tuesday's news conference helped Hillary, then you think the iceberg helped the Titanic


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 11, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Oh, fantastic.


GUTFELD: Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, and she ice skates on a popsicle -- Dana Perino. This is "The Five."

If you think yesterday's press conference helped Hillary, then you think the iceberg helped the Titanic.


HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF STATE: I opted for convenience... because I thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for my personal e-mails instead of two.


GUTFELD: That voice, it's like a joy buzzer minus the joy. A whoopee cushion minus the air and minus the truth, as well. I mean, saying she only uses one gizmo, didn't she once say that she carried four? Did she lose them? Unlike her husband, I guess she can't juggle.

Speaking of Bill --


H. CLINTON: The server contains personal communications from my husband and me, and I believe I have met all of my responsibilities.


GUTFELD: So she got e-mails from her husband? But he claims he only sent two e-mails in his entire life. So Hillary must be lying, because clearly, Bill did not have text with that woman.

And no surprise, even the mainstream media thinks she's on the hot seat.


GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, "GOOD MORNING AMERICA" HOST: Hillary on the hot seat. The former secretary of state finally answers questions about that private e-mail controversy.

JONATHAN KARL, ABC NEWS: But she may have raised more questions than she answered.

JOHN HEILEMANN, BLOOMBERG POLITICS: These are not good headlines. "I opted for convenience" is not something that you want to hear from a Clinton.


GUTFELD: So how long before she blames that on a vast left-wing conspiracy? Thank God she still has captain crazy hair to back her up.


DAVID BROCK, MEDIA MATTERS FOR AMERICA: Americans who were tuning in saw the Hillary Clinton that they like. The Hillary Clinton they trust.


GUTFELD: I'll have what he's smoking and blow drying. And then there's the funniest Costello since Lou.


CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: She says people should trust her. She turned over, what, half of the e-mails in question?

COSTELLO: The State Department's e-mails were hacked and are in danger being hacked every day. Hillary Clinton's server at home was never hacked and there was never any security information leaked.



GUTFELD: That is amazing. She carries more water than a pack of Camels.

But we here at "The Five" saw something else in Hillary's presser. We saw her. She's the angry lady who sends back her meals three times in a fancy restaurant, and then treats the waiter like crap. She's the rich lady in those old movies with the 12 hat boxes and the little dog, boarding a cruise ship barking orders, oblivious to all things around her, and when caught, she won't make any eye contact, she just moves on. But here, she can't move on, not anymore. Everyone is trying to blame someone else, but deep down inside, it's her. She ruined all the big plans. Her staff was measuring drapes and Bill had already picked out the blondes. And now, it's all crumbling because no one had the guts to tell Madame Secretary what she can or can't do. Weird still, she still wants to be president, but not want to do the job. She likes the limelight but not the labor. It makes me wonder, can anyone, including her, articulate her vision for the country? Is that why she clings so desperately to gender equality?


H. CLINTON: We need a strong goal on gender equality and we need to integrate gender equality throughout all of the goals of the global, sustainable development goals.


GUTFELD: All the nice buzz words. But it's not a bold vision for a divided country. To pair it something you heard from an actress, how lazy, how entitled. Americans need someone who can actually look ahead and know where we're going. Instead, she sells division and secrecy. She's the past, and boy, do we need to stop living in it.

So K.G. --


GUTFELD: I open it up to you.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I'm gonna tell you, I think the last line says it all, I mean.

GUTFELD: Thank you.

GUILFOYLE: She's in the past. You're really right on with that point. The rest was not bad, but that was the best part. Hillary does represent everything that people dislike about politics, about Washington, about insiders, about influenced peddling, inappropriate relationships with other countries hoping to have influence on the policy of the United States of America. And, the arrogance saying oh, look, this was convenient for me, the confusion with the new math, is it one, is it two, is it three, is it four devices. The confusion about how many e-mails perhaps, her husband was sending to her. Shouldn't people who are out there voting expect the better? Expect more decency, more honesty, integrity, transparency that we've been promised for so long and we are still waiting for the call? This is very disturbing. I don't think what she did and said yesterday helped, it just hurt her further. And her candidacy, so -- Elizabeth Warren, you go, girl.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Step right up.

GUTFELD: Juan, before the show start, you came up to me and you said her candidacy is over. I was shocked.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: I was shocked if I said that, too. What a fool I would be. But I -- I was just admiring --

GUILFOYLE: But it did happen?


GUTFELD: No, I'm lying.

WILLIAMS: Of course it didn't happen. Alright, what I'm impressed by your inspector Javert (ph) impersonation monologue.

GUTFELD: Thank you, thank you.

WILLIAMS: Because you -- I mean, there is no smoking gun, right? There is - - I mean the fact is, she didn't break the law.

GUTFELD: It's a smoking arsenal.

WILLIAMS: But you can have it. The fact is look --

PERINO: You don't know she didn't break the law, Juan.

WILLIAMS: I do know she didn't break the law.

PERINO: No, you don't.

WILLIAMS: But you know what?

PERINO: No, you don't.

WILLIAMS: It's interesting to me. I really like that image of the fancy lady with the puppies -- little dog and all the luggage and she is going on her way. I think that is Hillary Clinton.


WILLIAMS: So, you are right there. But when it comes to the idea of this is going to derail Hillary Clinton, you know that all the Republicans pile on, oh, we can't stand her. Well, you look at the numbers, Wall Street Journal poll, every poll her has her as a titan among Democrats.

GUTFELD: Yeah. That's like being the tallest guy in a little person contest.

WILLIAMS: Let me tell you. There's no Republican candidate that comes close.

GUILFOYLE: Well maybe at this point in time, Juan. But yes, the jury is still out on to whether or not she broke the law and there is a strong implication in fact.


GUILFOYLE: That suggests that she did.

WILLIAMS: Well, let me tell you something.

GUILFOYLE: And right now --

WILLIAMS: How are you gonna prove it? She deleted the e-mails and that case she --

PERINO: Oh, there you go.

GUILFOYLE: It's against the law.

WILLIAMS: How you gonna prove it?

PERINO: It's like somebody --

GUTFELD: It's that the point, Eric?


ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: That's my son's logic. He'll go --

GUILFOYLE: I mean it's just craziness.

BOLLING: Yeah. I'll say, Eric, you shouldn't have done that and he'll say, but dad, nothing happen, I didn't get caught. Well, exactly the problem.


BOLLING: She did, she may have --


BOLLING: Broken the law. Just --

GUILFOYLE: It's like, the serial killer who cremate the body. Oh well.


BOLLING: A couple of things that she did break the law, couple of things, very quickly. We don't know if she was hacked. We have no idea if she was hacked yet. We will never know. Just because they're not on -- you know, The Five or sitting on some website, somewhere -- we don't know if someone has those or has been fact, seen those. We don't know what going on right now.

GUILFOYLE: Why don't you pick Snowden?



BOLLING: The AP reported something very important today. During president - - I'm sorry, not the president. Hillary Clinton's term as secretary of state, there were over a billion e-mails sent out of the State Department, a billion, yet they've only marked 61,000 for public record. So I went did a little homework and talk to the (inaudible) and asked them, why did they -- how do they figure out which e-mails, each agency decides to mark for public record? And the bottom line is it's the honor system. So each agency is required to go through to with it. They have someone going through it or their people going through it, this e-mail saying, yes, that one is public record.


BOLLING: No, that one is not. The ones that aren't public record, they're gone. They can go away. You may never, ever see those. So out of a billion that were sent, 1 billion, only 61,000 during her term.

PERINO: It's not possible.

BOLLING: During her term more public -- that's not possible right?

PERINO: It's not possible.

BOLLING: And it also, it points out a blaring, glaring huge hole that under FOIA and the Federal Records Act. We're relying on a few people in the country that are going to decide what will be record going forward for the -- and that's scary.

GUILFOYLE: And her own personal attorney.

BOLLING: And that is scary.

GUILFOYLE: Is deciding what they want to turn over and what -- I want to see the yoga schedule.

GUTFELD: I need too.

GUILFOYLE: Maybe there's another reference in there.

GUTFELD: I need too. I want to know if I'm doing it right.

GUILFOYLE: Right. I mean, this is her thing.

GUTFELD: It's just stretching.

GUILFOYLE: Who is she doing yoga with?


PERINO: This is important for our relations of India. GUTFELD: Especially if there's hot yoga. Hey Dana, can I play.

PERINO: You want to do hot yoga.


PERINO: With the State Department?

GUTFELD: Yes. I want to do hot yoga.

WILLIAMS: Wait, wait, wait.

GUILFOYLE: That's all you have to do.

WILLIAMS: What is -- you got to help me, what is hot yoga?

GUILFOYLE: To say, subject matter, hot yoga.

WILLIAMS: What is hot yoga?

GUTFELD: Yoga is --

GUILFOYLE: And then she e-mail with China -- with China.

BOLLING: With -- alright, so --

GUTFELD: Alright. I want -- can I play this SOT of Trey Gowdy. He makes a very good point, and I want you to go with it, OK?

PERINO: OK. Go on (ph)

GUTFELD: Let's do this, America.


TREY GOWDY, CONGRESSMAN: Someone who just solely calls balls and strikes, are retired federal judge, a retired archivist and inspector general -- yeah, a woman or a man with no political ideation, whatsoever. Just someone that we can all say, you know what? That is a trustworthy person to determine -- if this is really about yoga, she doesn't get to make that call. We don't grade our own papers in life. We don't call fouls on our self in the NBA. We don't call holding on our self in football. She doesn't get to make that call.


GUTFELD: You know Dana, her entire e-mail server should be -- everything should be handed over, correct?

PERINO: Absolutely. You know when she said yesterday, that for convenience, she decided just to put it all on her personal e-mail. She could have -- just as easily made the decision to do all of her e-mail on a government e- mail.


PERINO: You can do personal e-mail on your government account, that's allowed.


PERINO: And that would be within the law. And she is a lawyer, right? So I think she would have known. She would have known that. Trey Gowdy, I think is, proving himself to be this measured chairman. He is asking for information. He's not a blow hard. He's very experienced and I would suggest that the Republicans just tuck in behind him and let this go forward, because, it's not just Trey Gowdy and the Republicans asking questions or Democrats worrying about the politics. Today, you had a major lawsuit filed by the Associated Press to the State Department, asking for those e-mails, because they have been stone walled for many months -- for years.


PERINO: And now we find out it's not just Hillary Clinton uses personal e- mail address, but top staffers. Top staffers don't need to be e-mailing about yoga with the secretary of state and then withholding those and deciding, they don't get to decide, who gets to hold them. I do think that this whole episode has started to pull Hillary Clinton closer into President Obama. She's trying to make to make a little independent road. You looked at "Hard Choices," her book.


PERINO: Basically, she was saying, I disagreed with him on these -- few things. She's been trying to send signals that she would unite the country and be -- to some it's more of a centrist, and I think that the Obama camp is saying, if we're going to have to be defending you, then you are going to help us, and that started yesterday with the Iran.

WILLIAMS: You know I think it pulls her closer to Bill Clinton. I think if people start thinking about, White Water.

PERINO: You gonna trust? (ph)

WILLIAMS: And I didn't have sex with this woman -- what did you say? --

PERINO: He was at the heart of a lot of those -- problems.

WILLIAMS: I didn't have sex with that woman -- what?

PERINO: I mean, I think she was at the heart of a lot of those problems.

WILLIAMS: Well, I don't know what the heart, but she would -- that's what, that's what this is reminding people of. You know that's the issue, but again.


WILLIAMS: My point to you, and I -- I want to hear what you have to say.

GUILFOYLE: She is the bad part of Bill (ph).

WILLIAMS: Well, that's what people - exactly.

GUTFELD: For that part.

WILLIAMS: That's what the people say to take us back to the '90s and it's like a nightmare, it's not a dream. But you know, my point to you Dana, was, what law did she break? Apparently, she's got -- she's going to get away with it, and it's gonna be all news pretty sure it's leaks and you're lament about, you know request, FOI request, Freedom of Information. I'd say I know this isn't a joke (ph), they're terrible. They don't give up anything.

BOLLING: First of all, the fact that they only marked 61,000 out of a billion.


BOLLING: Is a big problem and an ongoing problem. But once you do ask for it, there's another process where a guy literally goes through files.


BOLLING: OK. We'll give, this one pertains.

WILLIAMS: And you'll never know what hell he just found.

BOLLING: And this one does it. And you got to hope that, that person don't get --

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, but there is --

BOLLING: Is on above the board.

GUILFOYLE: Can I say something? She is trying --

PERINO: But the problem is Juan, they don't even have her e-mails to actually look through.

WILLIAMS: That's right.

PERINO: And to deny you.


WILLIAMS: Correct.

PERINO: That's where the heart is broken. WILLIAMS: She has out snookered us.




BOLLING: Maybe. Let some of these e-mails turn up and she's ties one of this --


BOLLING: Foundation's donations, to something she has done --

GUILFOYLE: Somebody is gonna be able to get.

WILLIAMS: Oh, stop it.

BOLLING: No, no, Juan.

WILLIAMS: This is black helicopter.


BOLLING: That is --

WILLIAMS: This is a conspiracy theory.

BOLLING: No, no --

GUTFELD: Why it should have to be a black helicopter, Juan?


WILLIAMS: You got a little antennas sticking out on your head.

BOLLING: I'll tell you what, remove, remove the antennas and remove the black helicopter, show us the e-mail and prove me wrong.

WILLIAMS: Right. But she's not -- she is the leader, so we don't have a discussion.

PERINO: No. No, no.

GUILFOYLE: I know --

PERINO: She has tried to put the burden of proof on us.

WILLIAMS: She has.

PERINO: Right Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: Listen, what she did it was wrong. It was misleading (ph), you like, yehey, reward. No one's gonna catch her now.

WILLIAMS: No. I didn't say reward.

GUILFOYLE: But I'm telling you.

WILLIAMS: But she outsmarted us, right?

GUILFOYLE: She really did.

WILLIAMS: We don't have it.


GUILFOYLE: Because we know what she did was wrong.


GUILFOYLE: And what she did was illegal. She broke --

WILLIAMS: But it wasn't illegal.

GUILFOYLE: She didn't follow these guidelines.

WILLIAMS: Illegal?

PERINO: But you know that, Juan.

BOLLING: What -- they can't go, Juan.

WILLIAMS: But I keep asking you, what law she broke?

PERINO: What you have to do, government.

BOLLING: We don't know.

PERINO: You have to do --

BOLLING: We don't know.

WILLIAMS: We don't know. We don't know. You should know what law.


BOLLING: When you delete evidence, you break the law --

WILLIAMS: Wait, wait. Give Dana a shot. Dana, what is it?

PERINO: As a government employee, you have to do official government business on a government server.

WILLIAMS: You should.

PERINO: You have, with exemption.

WILLIAMS: But, that's now.

PERINO: You can use personal e-mail --

WILLIAMS: That's now.

PERINO: No, no, no.

GUILFOYLE: No, Juan. I'm so sorry. This calls in place --

PERINO: In 1995, State Department guidelines say, the State Department must do that. She was the head of this State Department. 1995, we reiterate in 2005, and in 2009 and in 2013, when she was the secretary. So, I don't see how may one thinks that she didn't do anything wrong here. I think - or just to say, well, she out snookered us. No, she actually did something really fundamentally wrong. She wants to be.


PERINO: The commander in chief.

GUILFOYLE: That was I'm saying.

PERINO; And I think it goes to her character and judgment.


PERINO: We may never see those e-mails but, that also works against her because, we can all imagine that there is something in there that is shady.

WILLIAMS: And men. (ph)

BOLLING: Well, it --

GUILFOYLE: She's also obstructing the whole investigation.

PERINO: Right.

GUILFOYLE: Because she just pays for them. She did paper done, a 55,000 pages, not even e-mails, it was like, have at it, get your highlighter out, get you magnifying glass.

WILLIAMS: She can do that.

GUILFOYLE: Instead of turning it over on a device, where they could do active searches and, the fact that she's concealing potentially what could be a crime. Why did she delete those?

GUTFELD: The other two is -- GUILFOYLE: Was there anything improper in that?

GUTFELD: The other thing is job for order (ph) it said in -- post today. Nobody deletes personal e-mails.

BOLLING: Yeah. That's it.

GUTFELD: Nobody deletes for -- no deleting personal conversations.

PERINO: She deletes junk.

GUTFELD: And delete junk.

BOLLING: Even if you do delete them, they stay on the server.


BOLLING: If you really go after her, go after the servers --

GUILFOYLE: Subpoena.

BOLLING: Subpoena the servers. If you can't do it through FOIA, she was smart enough to do on personal.


BOLLING: Because you can't deploy (ph) a personal stuff, so she did it on her personal -- you want to do it, you gonna have to bring a lawsuit allegations against her, directly against her.

WILLIAMS: And at that point.

BOLLING: Get those servers. Find out what's on those servers.

WILLIAMS: OK. OK. But you know what?

GUILFOYLE: Do it Trey Gowdy.

WILLIAMS: You know, I just keep saying, what is the law she broke? Dana says, well, you know it was unethical and it looks shady says, K.G. Oh, yeah, it looked kind of weird. And I say yeah, you guys.

PERINO: I actually think that --

WILLIAMS: And I think she's like acting like a princess and entitled and privileged. But did she break a law? And this is affecting how Democrats feel about it?

PERINO: You know you should, you know you should do tonight?

WILLIAMS: What? What is it?

PERINO: Just watch The Kelly File.


PERINO: Because Shannon Kaufman is gonna be on the A block and she does gonna talking about another particular law that she may have broken, which is this -- sounds boring. It's an actual form that you have to sign when you leave government service, it's like turned over everything, she didn't do that. And that's the document --

WILLIAMS: She didn't sign it?

PERINO: Well, I don't know if that.

GUILFOYLE: Well, let's see.

PERINO: If the State Department asked about it.

GUILFOYLE: If she (inaudible) herself.

GUTFELD: Bill turned over everything. Alright, we got to go.


GUTFELD: And remember, we got to think about the children. What about the children that have been let down by Hillary? That's what the libs (ph) always say. Alright, coming up, if Hillary's chances at the White House are ruined, which Democrat will take her place? Next.


PERINO: Hillary Clinton finally addressed the controversy surrounding her private e-mail account during her time at the State Department, but that hasn't stopped the mounting criticism from the left. Here's Liberal commentator Lawrence O'Donnell and Kirsten Powers.


LAWRENCE O'DONNELL, MSNBC'S ANCHOR: I can understand why she might have thought that's more convenient. But, convenience is not a choice you have in government. She had a regulation.

KIRSTEN POWERS, USA TODAY COLUMNIST: What has to happen, I think if we want to be able to trust her is for there to become sort of independent analysis of these e-mails. We -- you know, it is not reasonable for her to think that she can say, I'm gonna decide and you just all have to believe me. I do find this to be extremely disturbing.


PERINO: So do Democrats have to face the fact that their biggest hero let them down ahead of 2016. Are the polls, Juan, as you said in the first block, show that support amongst her -- democratic supporter is at 86 percent, this is the NBC poll. I mean is that partly because, they don't know of any other option at this point. It's only been Hillary for eight years.

WILLIAMS: Well no, I think -- for example, I think people like Joe Biden, the vice president, but the -- doesn't compare to Hillary and it comes back to what's been said at this table. I think you guys are on the money. Hillary Clinton would break a tremendous ceilings. So she thinks of Barack Obama as the first black president. You think of Hillary Clinton as the first woman president. And I think, I know lots of Democrats who said you know, they thought it should have been Hillary's turn last time. So, for lots of women.

PERINO: Well you say after (ph)

WILLIAMS: So for -- I'm sorry?

PERINO: Especially after the disappointment --

WILLIAMS: Oh, well, I'll leave that to you doctor (ph).

PERINO: Well, no. I'm talking about the Democrats who wanted him to be --

WILLIAMS: But I am just saying.

PERINO: To be more like --

WILLIAMS: I think. I think right now, the reason that you don't get an Elizabeth Warren or anybody else, measuring anywhere close to Hillary Clinton, as everyone says, she is invincible. She's like an ace pitcher, whose gonna come and you know, if you can't get to your ace, you can win this game, and the Republicans have nobody to match her.


PERINO: Eric, you are smart investors, right? You would never have placed all of your money on that -- on her, right?

BOLLING: For Hillary to win?


BOLLING: Sacrifice (ph) yourself.

PERINO: Wouldn't you spread it around a little bit?

BOLLING: So, I'm trying to figure out why is it so important to have the first. Why is it a first black president so important to like it first? How about the most qualified? But if they are in fact, it is important to have them the first, what about the first black female president of the United States.


BOLLING: Conde Rice.

GUILFOYLE: Conde Rice, Yes.


PERINO: It's never going to happen. She's never gonna run.

GUTFELD: Yeah, we talked about this last year.

GUILFOYLE: Why did you kill dream day (ph)

PERINO: I know. I'm just being -- I just want to be a realist.

BOLLING: Can we just throw it out there, that there are so many intelligence, so many people.

GUILFOYLE: I'm gonna write her in.

BOLLING: Who are qualified women in the country, do we still have to go down the path where someone with so much scandal surrounding her. Is the Democrat nominee? I mean.

GUILFOYLE: They actually should be glad.

BOLLING: I mean, that all you guys can come up with?

PERINO: Actually, let me -- Kimberly -- maybe it is a good thing for Republicans if Hillary Clinton is the nominee?

BOLLING: A lot of target.

PERINO: We had --

GUILFOYLE: Because of that.

PERINO: Because, she's so damaged.

GUILFOYLE: She so damaged. I'm sad, because I think that she can still win despite the damage. I mean, look, I would love to have a female president, for sure. I think it would be fantastic. I dream about it. But --

PERINO: Are you running?

GUILFOYLE: I am not.



WILLIAMS: Kimberly for president, I like that.


GUILFOYLE: Why, why Hillary? It should be somebody who earns it on all the merits. I would have actually liked to see her, get it last time over Barack Obama. I think she had, you know, obvious (ph) more experience at that point, the whole deal. But now, it's the Democrats want this as their legacy. They want to be the party that has the first black president, the first female president. They want to own that. That has to be their legacy.

PERINO: Greg, are you for Elizabeth Warren getting in? Would you advice her, why not just try?

GUTFELD: Why not? Because Hillary suffers from an unusual problem, the more you know, the less you like. The last two presidents, no matter how much of an ideal log, you might have hated Obama and you might hate Bush. But you know if you sat next to them on a bus, you probably like him and get along. Hillary would throw you off the bus. She's not -- she doesn't come off as an appealing person, and it's a perfect opportunity, like you guys are saying, for Republicans. You know what they are doing is they are reversing the old guard strategy that worked against McCain. McCain was a bonafide (ph) war hero who deserved. I think to be the president. But, the left painted him as a doddering old man from the past -- compared to their hot sports car which is Barack Obama and it worked.

PERINO: Yeah, but look at him now, he's still going strong.

GUTFELD: Yeah, it's time to reverse that. Republicans need to find somebody who is intellectually agile, who's young and charismatic, who can, by -- just by comparison, make Hillary look irrelevant and from another age.

WILLIAMS: So who is that?

GUTFELD: I don't know. I -- the more I think about it, I look at -- you know, the best speaker is Rubio. He's the best speaker, in of all the group. I think you know, there's Scott, who is Walker, who is brave.

GUILFOYLE: Skywalker.

GUTFELD: Skywalker. But I don't know, you know what I mean? I think -- I think, anything is a better option. I think this is all a conspiracy to get Michelle Obama to run.


GUTFELD: Michelle Obama with Chelsea Clinton as VP.


WILLIAMS: Chelsea Clinton?

PERINO: That would match her, the first female black president.


GUILFOYLE: This gonna come down to you what? That's Clinton, meaning, Hillary, it's not gonna be Bill, or this Bush.

GUTFELD: Or this could all be league, karaoke journalism. You know he hit Hillary now, so you can snuggle up later.


GUTFELD: That the -- right now the investigations are going on now, so later you don't have to investigate her.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, that was in fact, I was with Charles Krauthammer yesterday. He said that that everybody is gonna --


WILLIAMS: It's all news.


WILLIAMS: This is what, you know.

GUILFOYLE: I think there's a lot mo re to come out.

WILLIAMS: Yes. But let me tell you why Democrats.

GUILFOYLE: Wait and see,

WILLIAMS: Well, there could be, that's true. But here's why Democrats are really nervous. It's because she ran such a bad campaign in 2008.

GUILFOYLE: that's the point.

WILLIAMS: And then you made a point that David Axelrod makes all the time, which is, what is her campaign about?


WILLIAMS: Oh, she's the first woman. This is your point.

BOLLING: Well, that's it though, Juan, when it comes down. GUILFOYLE: It's a commemorative plate.

BOLLING: But she's the first woman and they have a lot of money.




BOLLING: She hasn't proven herself anywhere to be qualified or -- I don't know, a leader.

WILLIAMS: She's not --

GUILFOYLE: Bolling, you're right though. You're right. You know what? You're saying something on behalf of women. Don't vote for her just because she's a woman. That's not helping any of us. It really isn't.


WILLIAMS: A woman -- even a Republican woman. I think it's a --

GUILFOYLE: What? I don't want anybody to cast a vote just because it's a woman.

PERINO: Right.

GUILFOYLE: Do it because it's the best candidate. He's gonna - do the best thing for this country and is well prepared and equipped and as person of integrity that will be respected, not only domestically, but internationally.

GUTFELD: Republicans could solve this by running Bruce Jenner.



GUTFELD: Serious. He's a Republican.

PERINO: OK. On that note, we're gonna go.

GUTFELD: He's a Republican.

PERINO: Ahead on The Five, despite earlier claims the Obama administration is now acknowledging that ISIS is spreading. So how do we stop them? Find out what some top administration officials told Capitol Hill, after this.


GUILFOYLE: President Obama wants the term (ph) as JV. The defense secretary asked Carter, it should be a much more severe warning about ISIS on Capitol Hill, earlier today.


ASH CARTER, DEFENSE SECRETARY: ISIL is an organization -- as an organization, is likely to evolve strategically. Morphing, rebranding, and associating with other terrorist groups while continuing to threaten the United States and our allies. The proposed AUMF wisely does not include any geographical restrictions, because ISIL already shows signs of metastasizing outside of Syria and Iraq.


GUILFOYLE: Now that they're spreading, how can we defeat them? General Martin Dempsey warns that while Iran might be helping now, they might hurt us in the long run.


GEN. MARTIN DEMPSEY, CHAIRMAN, JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF: I think there's general consensus in our own forces and also with the coalition partners with whom I engage that anything anyone does to counter ISIL is in the main a good outcome. In other words, the activities of the Iranians to support for the Iraqi security forces is a positive thing in military terms against ISIL. But we are all concerned about what happens after the drums stop beating.


GUILFOYLE: So a change in tone, and a now a change in communication, Dana.

BASH: I like the new defense secretary, Ash Carter, and I feel like he's the right secretary of defense at the right time for this administration. I hope that, unlike the previous secretaries of defense that have all left and complained that they were micromanaged by the National Security Council at the White House, that they will listen to him. He seems like he's, at this moment, quite independent and able to be clear-eyed about the situation and identifying the problems and determined to try to set up the government, our government, regardless of the presidency, in a position to be able to defeat or at least severely degrade ISIS before the next president takes over.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Greg, what do you think, good commentary?

GUTFELD: Yes. I like his name, Ashton Carter. It's a great boy-band name.

There's no question about support for -- for destroying ISIS. The question really is about strategy. And the thing that I worry about President Obama is he's consumed and obsessed by timetables. But timetables, our enemies don't have timetables. I ran...

GUILFOYLE: Or sunsets.

GUTFELD: Yes. Well, that's my point. They giggle at the sunset laws. Ten years means nothing to Iran. For ISIS, there is no timetable when you're dealing with the end game or the end of times, the apocalypse. They think the world is going to end, so they don't care.

So I worry that, when our strategy is tied to years, we're just telling -- we're just telling our enemies, "We'll wait it out," which they do. They have waited us out.

GUILFOYLE: They have the patience, for sure. Where do we go from here?

BOLLING: So something happened today on the Hill that was absolutely shocking. John Kerry testifying in front of Congress, said -- and I quote here -- "We have the capacity to knock out ISIL, but we're not going to get suckered into that."

Now, that would make a lot of sense.

GUTFELD: That's hilarious.

GUILFOYLE: Got to love it.

BOLLING: Would play right into what Greg just pointed out and Dana just pointed out, timetables, three years doesn't matter to ISIS. They got three decades; they got three centuries. They want to end the world. It doesn't matter to them.

We have -- we have the capacity to knock out ISIL, but we're not going to get suckered into that. What are we doing here? What, are we just playing with them? I mean, we're doing 13 airstrikes a day, on average, into Syria and Iraq against ISIS. When the Gulf War, the first month of the Gulf War, we did 2,500 per day. Now we're doing 13. So they are -- they're just playing games. This is all politics. They're just waiting it out until the end of the Obama administration, and then someone can take over, someone in charge can take over, whether it's Hillary, who will bomb the hell out of them or a Republican who will say they're dangerous to us, they're a threat to America and go ahead and do it.

WILLIAMS: General Bolling, a quick question, are you sending...

BOLLING: Well, what is this? We're not getting suckered into defeating ISIS.

WILLIAMS: Well, because the United States military could beat those guys in a day. So you want to send troops in?

BOLLING: I want to -- I want to win.

GUILFOYLE: We want something good. We don't want this, like, polenta...


WILLIAMS: No. I'm just telling you, this is a containment strategy. See how it goes. I don't think it's going all that badly.

But let me just say, this hearing today was about authorization for the use of military force. And I tell you what's shocking to me: Democrats and Republicans in this Congress have failed to act on a request from the White House that I think is now, like, two months old.

PERINO: Please.

WILLIAMS: And Republicans, why don't Republicans say, "We'll give you this authorization. You can fight ISIS anywhere you want"? But the Republican commentary is...


GUILFOYLE: He can do it without that.

WILLIAMS: ... he needs more power.

PERINO: No. 1, Juan...


PERINO: President Obama fought against ISIS for six months before ever asking the Congress to use military force. No. The old still exists.


PERINO: He doesn't need an additional one to continue to do what he's doing. The biggest opposition...

WILLIAMS: Should (ph) this Congress come in, Dana?

PERINO: President Obama has all the authority that he needs under the existing AUMF.

GUILFOYLE: And he knows it.

PERINO: He wants additional authority. The main opposition is not coming from Republicans; it's coming from the Democrats.

WILLIAMS: I think both Republican -- Democrats say it's a blank check. And they don't trust him. I'm curious as to why the Republicans wouldn't say, "We'll give you this power. Let's see what you do with it."

GUILFOYLE: The Republicans said, "You've got the power already. Now act like a commander in chief."

Coming up, a group of senators is pushing medical marijuana for veterans. But is that really such a good idea? We debate, next.


BOLLING: Should military vets suffering from PTSD and other injuries be allowed to smoke medical marijuana? Under the law right now, they're prohibited even in states where medical marijuana is legal. Yesterday, a trio of senators -- Republican Rand Paul and Democrats Cory Booker and Kirsten Gillibrand -- proposed legislation to clarify the law. Here's one vet who's on board with the plan.


T.J. THOMPSON, U.S. NAVY VETERAN: Us as veterans have volunteered our time to protect the rights and freedoms that make this country great. Today, we call upon our elected leaders across the country to respect our rights to heal. We say all elected officials, state and federal, need to approve comprehensive medical cannabis legislation immediately.


BOLLING: K.G., I think this is long overdue legislation.

GUILFOYLE: Do you think so?



BOLLING: OK, so the way -- the rule is, if you're a medical doctor working at the V.A., you cannot prescribe medical marijuana, even if you're in a state that has legalized medical marijuana and legalized marijuana.

GUILFOYLE: OK. So what you're talking about more is, like, having an accord between state and federal law, that there gaps where there's inconsistencies that could interfere with someone's medical treatment?

BOLLING: That's part of it.

GUILFOYLE: That I like.

BOLLING: That's part of the law. But also even in states -- California, legalized medical marijuana. The V.A.'s in California, doctors cannot prescribe medical marijuana to military vets.

GUILFOYLE: I guess my point is, I can't make a qualitative analysis whether or not each individual patient is actually in need. What I want to make sure is that people who are suffering and having problems don't have it compounded by then smoking marijuana every day and creating a huge issue for them for their -- perhaps they have sobriety issues. Perhaps then they become more addicted to other drugs.

I mean, a lot of the problems that we saw with Veterans Administration, people were given a bag of pills. Right So I want to be careful about how much this is being used as sort of, you know, a placebo type of thing to smooth it over without really addressing the core issue.

GUILFOYLE: You want to take...

GUTFELD: Yes. Obviously, I'm for the legalization. I think there should be medical ecstasy. I think there should be medical cocaine. There should be medical lysergic acid. Everything -- every substance -- every substance has a positive and negative quality to it, and it should be studied.

However, I do believe that legalization is not an endorsement. I don't know whether this actually can be helpful, when you think about the bigger issues, really, are that 72 percent of our veterans are over 50. And 70 percent of those veterans, 50 plus, make up the suicides. Seventeen out of 22 suicides a day.

Medical marijuana may actually help that, but I don't know.


GUTFELD: I think the issue is way bigger. They should be looking at these suicides. We should be rethinking the way we treat and respect the warrior class in America. We have denigrated patriotism on every campus. We don't treat these guys well. We don't help them find jobs.

So I think medical marijuana is a nice way of scattering the opposition to legalization. But I don't know if it's the answer to the suffering that's going on for many, many men.

GUILFOYLE: And that we do agree.

GUTFELD: Thank you, Kimberly. Let's get a drink.

GUILFOYLE: OK, let's go.

BOLLING: Does anyone want to -- want to push back (ph) on this legislation?

WILLIAMS: Well, I just think you're asking for the national government, the federal government to legalize marijuana.

BOLLING: No, no. No, no. To go -- defer to the states. Whatever they do at the state level, that would apply. This wouldn't be...

WILLIAMS: This is the federal -- if the Veterans Administration is run by the federal government.

BOLLING: There's two issues. As far as civilians go, defer to the states, and the other part is, as far as the military goes, the V.A.s ...

WILLIAMS: That would require that the federal government say marijuana is legal; medical marijuana is legal.

BOLLING: I guess we're splitting hairs here, but not exactly.

Dana, you were...

PERINO: I would think that Washington should listen to the medical experts. So I -- this is the first that I've heard. I don't know of a lot of veterans, V.A. doctors who are saying this is the most pressing issue. I mean, they have major issues of, like, falsifying information and patients not getting any care at all and dying.

If this is an issue that can be easily dealt with and there's not a lot of opposition, fine. But I think if there's going to be -- if they're going to address in Washington veterans affairs issues, this is, like, small potatoes.

WILLIAMS: But they are asking for it. And if the guy can't go down to the corner and get a joint, I mean, by himself, on his own, geez.

BOLLING: All right. Let's go on that note. Coming up, two fraternity brothers in Oklahoma were expelled for singing racist chants. But was that fair and should they be forgiven? We discuss that coming up.


WILLIAMS: Yesterday, two fraternity brothers were expelled from the University of Oklahoma after this video surfaced that shows them singing racist chants. But was that the right punishment?

Now, initially I thought it was. But now I've been thinking about it, I'd argue that the school maybe should have suspended these students. This incident can be used as a learning experience to talk about race.

What do you think?

BOLLING: I think you're out of your mind. I think they did the right thing. They got expelled. They're done. Go away. What, you want to bring them back in four weeks and go, "Hey, did you learn your lesson?"

WILLIAMS: OK. So let me -- let me ask you the question. Do you think that all speech that you don't -- that you find objectionable, you can throw me out of here?

BOLLING: That wasn't just dropping the "N" word in a song that had the "N" word in it. These guys deliberately used racial slur -- by the way, the "N" word is everywhere in hip-hop. I mean, every other song has it.

WILLIAMS: Yes, a problem I have.

BOLLING: Pronounced in a different way, and it means a distinctly, vastly different meaning. These guys didn't mean it the way...

WILLIAMS: OK, OK. I know how they mean it.

BOLLING: ... how you hear it in the hip-hop songs. They meant it derogatory and hateful.

WILLIAMS: But what I'm saying, they expelled two of these young men. Right? And...

BOLLING: So far.

WILLIAMS: These young men, it seems to me, you can't just say you're gone. They have First Amendment rights. I think it's hate speech that creates a hostile environment, which is what the president of the university said, can interfere with their educational function.

But at the same time, wouldn't it be educational to bring them back and say, "Gentlemen, let's talk about this. Let's have the community deal with this racial issue," rather than saying, "Oh, you know what?" Young people are going to be like, "Oh, it's so P.C., you're not supposed to say that."

BOLLING: What would the university look like if they said, "We're bring these kids back?" Almost like they were condoning what they...

WILLIAMS: Dana, what do you think?

PERINO: I agree with you, Juan, in that I think that they could have done a suspension, maybe for the rest of the semester, and then allowed them maybe to come back next year. So they would have lost a semester. There are -- but there were consequences.

And something like this can actually shake you to your core. Right? So these young men's lives as they were planning it, the lives that they knew, that's over forever. And I think giving them a second chance, and a little bit of forgiveness goes a long way.

WILLIAMS: Well, what do you think of reconciliation?

GUILFOYLE: They might change their name.

WILLIAMS: What do you think of reconciliation?

GUILFOYLE: Look, reconciliation, I think, is good. Make a teachable moment. I don't think that the student body or that university is going to be best served by having them there on campus. I think for their own safety, too, they should perhaps relocate, go someplace else. Have a fresh start. There's something to be said for that.

Because otherwise, then it's a constant reminder, and it could be disruptive not only to their education but to those, their classmates that are around them. So you're going to have to move on from this and decide how best they want to come to terms with it with their family, from released statements. But I think this was the right call.

WILLIAMS: So, Greg...

GUILFOYLE: It's objectionable. And it should...

WILLIAMS: So Greg -- serious question, Greg.


WILLIAMS: There's these pictures of the football time, which is a great football team, University of Oklahoma. And you see that they didn't have their spring practice. They are literally, you know, black and white guys. Big, aggressive-looking guys, hooking arms and standing and saying, you know, something is wrong here.


WILLIAMS: And I think that is a good thing to happen rather than everybody say, "Oh, look at those guys. They got punished. They got thrown out." Have the discussion.

GUTFELD: Well, you know, what you're saying is the positive lesson that we've learned in recent times is the only people that are hurt by racist language, not racist activity, but people -- the only people on the planet that are hurt by racist language are the racists.

The moment that you say something racist, the amount of revulsion is so complete, so unanimous that there's no question. This kid -- and I think the sympathy is warranted. When you're that young, your life is for the next -- for quite a while ruined. You should be allowed some redemption because you're going to be on this planet for 60 more years, 70 more years.

I think the only step and the only step is to pull a Michael Richards. When Michael Richards shouted the "N" word at the -- at the Comedy Store, wherever he was in L.A., he left. And went to a place far away and maybe help people. You do something like that. You go help people, and then you come back. You do the time, and you do the penance, and you return.

I think it might be unsafe for them to go back now, that they would be in trouble. Then you also have the university that has to save face. Because if they are shown to be lenient, then that hurts them.

BOLLING: And they're racist.

WILLIAMS: Let me just say it's not only racists who are hurt by that language. I don't like it at all.

GUTFELD: It doesn't...

WILLIAMS: If you burn a cross on my lawn -- you know, if you burn a cross.

GUTFELD: It's not racist action. You know what I'm saying?

WILLIAMS: Right. It's worse.

GUTFELD: It's not physical.

WILLIAMS: "One More Thing" coming right up.



GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

GUTFELD: It's time for "One More Thing." Let's go to Dana first.

PERINO: OK. What is that thing you've got there?

GUTFELD: It's disgusting, and I'll show you later.

PERINO: OK. You'll show me later. That's a tease.

OK. Independent musicians and artists take a listen to this. Take a look. Levi Lowrey is a friend of mine. He's a country music artist. He co-wrote "Colder Weather," which was sang by Zach Brown Band. Do we have a clip of that? I think? Maybe we don't.




PERINO: As I said, that is lumber chic, which I really like. We can start a whole new movement.

Anyway, he's got a new album out. It's called "My Crazy Head." And you know, the record industry has been ripe for some innovation for a while. He's got a new way to do this, which is he's not going through a traditional record label. You actually can go become a member at his site and then you become a distributor so that you can make money, as well, and be a part of this rollout. So I think it's kind of interesting.

GUTFELD: That sounds very neat, Dana Perino.

PERINO: That's neat.

GUTFELD: It's neat.

PERINO: And he's great. Take a listen.

GUTFELD: All right. All right. I think he waited on me in Brooklyn. All right. K.G.

GUILFOYLE: And in other legal news tied in with musical influence, we had a big result here from the lawsuit today from Marvin Gaye's family: $7.3 million awarded against Robin Thicke, Pharrell and T.I., awarded to the family of Marvin Gaye. They sought more than 25 million for the song "Blurred Lines." I think I can smell an appeal coming up.

GUTFELD: It's ridiculous.

PERINO: Seven point three million doesn't sound like a lot.

BOLLING: But what a ridiculous lawsuit.

GUILFOYLE: Nevertheless, and now they want to stop the song from playing, the family does.

PERINO: I'm glad that we were tracking today, Kimberly, on the musical O and B.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. You love it?

GUTFELD: All right. Can I just get over to Juan, please? Enough of this stupid entertainment news -- Juan.

WILLIAMS: Oh, no. Now I'm stuck. Because guess what? Reggie Jackson, the old Yankee, wants to sell the big sign that said Yankee Stadium. That big blue sign that you see right there with the letters. He bought them, and they were up there from 1976 to 2008. In '08 when the stadium closed, somehow he bought them. He won't say for how much.

Now he's going to sell them through Sotheby's in April, and they think they can get between 300 and $600,000.

GUTFELD: Wow. That's a story.


GUTFELD: All right, Eric.

BOLLING: So it's a tough day, bad day for the military. Sorry -- sorry to have to report this. Eleven are presumed, according to the Pentagon, presumed dead when a helicopter went down, a Blackhawk went down off the coast of Florida. Search-and-rescue right now. Seven Marines based in North Carolina, Camp Lejeune, and four Louisiana National Guard.

And also, they just told us on Urgent Q, which has breaking news, a Marine was killed in Yuma, Arizona, another -- I believe it was a helicopter accident. So prayers and thoughts go out to all the families.

GUILFOYLE: Even the training is dangerous.


GUILFOYLE: They put it on the line.

GUTFELD: Well, sometimes -- you know, you work at "The Five," you get unusual gifts. And this is from Nancy, who sent me these slippers. If you can get a close up, it's Ronald and -- Ronald Reagan and Nancy Reagan slippers.


GUTFELD: Yes, they're in bed. I have a hard time putting my feet inside a dead president, as great as Ronald Reagan is. I just don't feel comfortable doing this.

PERINO: Did they sleep in separate beds?

GUTFELD: I don't know. All I know is that these are not new slippers either. If you're going to send me clothes, make sure they're new.


GUTFELD: I'm giving them to you.

PERINO: No thank you.

GUTFELD: Come on!

PERINO: I'm OK. I have warm feet.

GUTFELD: It goes with your pin.

BOLLING: I'm very good.

GUILFOYLE: It goes with your personality. That's all I'm going to say.

GUTFELD: All right. Good-bye. Oh, something is coming up. "Special Report." Thanks for reading that.

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