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Will public accept Hillary Clinton's e-mail explanation?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 10, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: This is a Fox News alert. Hillary Clinton finally addressed the American people on why she broke the e-mail rules while secretary of state. We have a ton of sound to get to, so let's jump right in. Hear madam secretary explains her thought process.

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HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: I opted for convenience to use my personal e-mail account, which was allowed by the State Department, because I thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for my personal e-mails, instead of two. Looking back, it would have been better if I simply used a second e-mail account and carried a second phone, but at the time this didn't seem like an issue.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Convenience? Are you kidding me? Any 10th grader can set up multiple e-mail accounts on a single hand-held device. Does she think the American people are that stupid, K.G.?

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Well, it seems like it. But the thing is she cares more about her own convenience versus what's the right thing to do. Whether she's breaking the law -- I mean, why? It wasn't that simple of this. She actually set up a whole server.

BOLLING: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: This was a very specific, concerted effort to avoid transparency and deceive the American people. That's what's happening here.

BOLLING: Julie, if you go to your iPhone, you can press a button and says add an account and you can have any one of six e-mail servers ready to go, send you -- set up a new one. Why can't she put two-on-one or is this more -- I don't know, blustering lies, look over there.

JULIE ROGINSKY, GUEST CO-HOST: Well, I'm not happy and I say that as a Democrat. I mean, this is a woman who has asked the Democratic Party to put their faith in her.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Yep.

ROGINSKY: She's clear the field. She's it. And so, she's got to do a better job and not she's going to do for herself. She's got to do better job for the people that she's asking to entrust the nomination to her to explain this. I was completely disappointed in this press conference. She's got to do a lot better than that. If this is what we can expect for her, I actually have grievous concerns about how this campaign is going to be run.

BOLLING: That was -- what, about 10 minutes or so? I mean, there are a lot of questions.

PERINO: You know, I think of this -- I can spot a good press conference like some people spot pornography, you know it when you see it. And I can tell you this was not a good press conference, you could tell from the beginning. Because one, they do it at the United Nations, OK. So the first question has to go to one of a member of the Foreign Press. The question was kind of a softball, so it kind of gets off to a weird start, and then the questions get better along the way. If that's the best they can do after a week of hiding, they are in trouble. She read most of her answers, because I think they're actually realizing that they're in big trouble. She also has something, just that don't add up. Two weeks ago, she said she used two devices. Today, she said she used one, because it was convenient. What's the truth there? The other thing is, she talked about how they made a decision on her own, she and her staff outside of government, to decide what was personal and what was not and that she destroyed the mails on the server. Then later in the press conference she says, well, actually the server is going to remain private because she's going to keep it. Also, it's questionable when she said that a personal e-mail is allowed. Yes, that's true, but it cannot be your sole method of communication, so not only that she possibly breaks the law, but she broke the Obama administration guidelines. Another entity that she -- that deserves an apology from Hillary Clinton is President Obama.

GUILFOYLE: That's true.

PERINO: Because this whole -- every news organization is focused on this one particular thing. She defied them. But have to -- I keep thinking of going back to -- the White House knew she was using these e-mails and they didn't do anything about it. So there's a lot of culpability to go around.

BOLLING: Did she put this story to rest or did she open up a lot more discussion and debate.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well, OK. Before I go to that, we got to talk about Schepp. Can we talk about Schepp? I love Schepp. But he says that this is going to open up a whole bunch of conspiracy theories. But -- what defines a conspiracy theory is something that is unlikely to happen. Conspiracy theorists explain something that -- you know, like the building -- the planes didn't take on the buildings, of course they did. What likely happened is that she hit e-mails that were damaging to her campaign of her becoming the president.

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: That is not unlikely. That is likely. Therefore, it is not a conspiracy theory. The conspiracy theory is you see something that goes against Occam's razor. The Occam's razor point here is that she likely hit them. Now, I got to talk about -- you brought about the questions, the first two questions were as planted as Michelle Obama's herb garden. The first --

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: I mean the first question, she already answered. Because why did you do it? She already answered it so he didn't -- the poor Turkish guy had even answered -- face the question --

ROGINSKY: Maybe there's no translation. Maybe there's no simultaneous translation.

GUTFELD: Could be.

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GUTFELD: The other point is he's from Turkey and he asks sure about -- about sexism. He says, would this happen to you if you were -- if you were a man? He's from Turkey. They don't have -- they do not have any, any women's rights. How in -- and another thing, let's talk about who she is as a personality and how utterly charmless she is. She's like the lady in first class who will refuse to get off the phone as the plane is taking off. She's above it all, she's better than us. As for her explanations, which are hilarious, the fact that she returned these e-mails as though that's something, those e-mails were chosen.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

GUTFELD: By her. This is like a kid going back after he's caught shoplifting and returning the candy wrapper without the candy. If there's no chocolate, it's not real.

BOLLING: Can I make a quick point about Schepp?

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: He did say Benghazi today and he did in fact use just (ph) hands, which say, from now on we have to use just hands (ph).

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: Every time where there is Benghazi.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: Don't worry, people, nothing to see here. Madam Secretary says no classified material was ever sent.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

H. CLINTON: I did not e-mail any classified material to anyone on my e- mail. There is no classified material. So, I'm certainly well aware of the classification requirements and did not send classified material.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Really? 60,000 e-mails sent. 60,000 e-mails sent solely on your personal e-mail and none were classified. And by the way, what about received? So in four years of the State Department, they never sent you a classified document, and those of you who think madam secretary didn't break the law or any regulations, she didn't. Just ask her.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

H. CLINTON: The server contains personal communications from my husband and me, and I believe I have met all of my responsibilities and the server will remain private and I think the State Department will be able over time to release all of the records that were provided.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: And enough for --

GUILFOYLE: I love it.

BOLLING: Do you take her word for it or what?

PERINO: OK. On the classified question, and whether she sent classified e- mails from her e-mail, I could believe her on that. Because, I know that when you have a clearance that you are very guarded and that she -- I think that I could buy that. What I didn't buy or that I think could possibly be proven untrue is when she said, the home brew server that they made in Chappaqua that was never compromised at any time. I don't know that they can actually say that with confidence. I hope that they can. But, as a matter of convenience, for her own convenience, she risked National Security.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

PERINO: You don't have to just have classified information on there to be vulnerable to hackers -- for example, Glenn Greenwald, Ed Snowden made that abundantly clear.

BOLLING: And Greg (inaudible) for the one who discovered that she had her private servers, all (ph). GUTFELD: Yeah. No, she is definitely vulnerable. But it's amazing how much she's like her husband, Bill, because both prefer private servers.

BOLLING: Nice. She just --

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, gosh.

ROGINSKY: I don't know.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, boy.

ROGINSKY: I'm going to pretend that I don't know what that means.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, boy. BOLLING: Do you believe that not one single classified document in the 60,000.

ROGINSKY: No.

BOLLING: That was sent.

GUILFOYLE: No.

BOLLING: None of them were classified?

GUILFOYLE: No. I mean, this is bad. I mean, honestly, she knew that she want to run and be president. She didn't want all the information to be in the hands, probably of the Obama administration where she couldn't control it. So she wants to aggregate it, put it in her own server so they can go through and make sure there aren't any stories that we could talk about, right? Or to point to any.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: Impropriety during her time. This is really one of the most egregious violations we've seen recently. It's that saying something. And I can't believe that the Obama administration let her get away with this, if they knew.

PERINO: Right.

GUILFOYLE: Because it puts them in such a bad position. She's really put President Obama in a bad position here.

BOLLING: Let's take it from here for Julie. Clearly, Hillary Clinton wants to run for president.

ROGINSKY: Right.

BOLLING: She wouldn't be out here doing this if she wasn't running for president, right?

ROGINSKY: No. I mean, she's going to run and look, I don't -- this is not going to cost her the nomination. This is -- but, but let me just say this, and you know, you said this puts Obama in a bad place, actually, it puts people like me in a bad place. They put people who want a democratic president.

GUILFOYLE: All of you.

ROGINSKY: All of us in a bad place. And the problem here is, that this woman obviously knew she was potentially going to run for president, one day.

GUILFOYLE: That's why she did it.

ROGINSKY: And then, right. But, if you're going to that, if you're going to act like a potential presidential candidate, understand what's going to happen. How could this not come out? How could this not become a scandal? How did she thinks that this puts -- you know, this isn't the problem --

GUILFOYLE: It's pretty arrogant though.

ROGINSKY: It's arrogant. Here's the problem, this is the concern that people and Democrats, Republicans, that people across the board have about Hillary Clinton. It's the secret --

BOLLING: Sure.

ROGINSKY: It's the secrecy. It's the obsessiveness (ph) with secrecy and it's the whole, well, you know, I can do it, nobody else can do it but I can get away with it.

BOLLING: Sure, but I wonder where she got that?

ROGINSKY: But I'm --

(CROSSTALK) ROGINSKY: But, but look, again, you know it's not just about her. This is the part that I'm still infuriated about, it is not just about Hillary Clinton, it's about people who would like to see another democratic president.

BOLLING: Let me do this one. Hillary also claimed that the e-mail server was originally set for her husband, listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

H. CLINTON: The server contains personal communications from my husband and me. The system we used was set up for President Clinton's office.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: All right. There's only one problem, Mrs. Secretary. The Wall Street Journal reported right before your press (ph) that Bubba sent only two e-mails in his life, and according to his spokesperson, they both occurred when he was president. Greg --

GUTFELD: Of course, that she blames the guy. It's always the guy's fault, isn't it? You know. It's always like, I don't know any better, I'm just a woman. She's actually committing sexism against herself. By the way, let's point out the whole sexism thing. Gender equality is now her race card to deflect any kind of criticism, and it works. A Democratic Party is about turning victimization into voters, and -- it works because there's a sympathetic media. President Obama was elected. He was the first black American. She's going to to be the first woman. Republicans need to have their own card. They have to have something that they can throw as some kind of symbol of victimization. So I figured that they should -- they should corner the market in the left-handed. They're 10 percent of the population are left-handed and they're paid 10 percent less than the right- handed population. This is a hand gap.

BOLLING: Wow.

GUTFELD: It's a hand gap. It's a south paw --

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: It's a south paw ceiling. And if Republicans who can't come out and support of the left-handed, you get 10 percent of the vote.

BOLLING: Very good. K.G., I heard at least four things that, that you could very -- you could honestly say they're -- they seem like lies.

GUILFOYLE: Well --

BOLLING: In 10 minutes.

GUILFOYLE: Right. And here is -- did she -- she has everything to lose here in this situation. She is the front-runner by far, whether looking at a Democrat or Republican candidate. And this is just, she's really doing herself in, because how can you trust somebody to be president of the United States that has - you know that's going to appears to at least be complicit with accepting donations from foreign countries through this neither Clinton foundation. Now, deliberately withholding information secreting it on her own -- you know, server, not letting the American people -- this is who you want to choose?

BOLLING: Even worse, K.G. She said 30,000 e-mails -- we got rid of.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, but --

BOLLING: We got rid of?

GUILFOYLE: Why didn't she turnover like, you know, a hard drive or a USB or some flash drive to be able to turnover, instead of printing them out, 55,000 and --

BOLLING: By the way, that's 55,000 pages.

GUILFOYLE: Right. That's what I'm saying.

BOLLING: That's not 55,000 e-mails.

ROGINSKY: And by the way --

BOLLING: It's just pages.

ROGINSKY: And by the way, this is the problem, right? So there are work e- mails and you know never to use work e-mails for private correspondents. When you mix private correspondents and work e-mails, this is what is like happening. And of having to say, well, there are certain things that I don't want to turn over. That's why -- I assume you don't put stupid stuff in your Foxnews.com account. You used that -- you save that for your other account.

GUILFOYLE: So assume.

(LAUGHTER)

ROGINSKY: I would recommend that you that, after this whole story and that's why.

BOLLING: You pointed out that a lot of these documents are public. They're ours, we all know.

PERINO: Yes. When you work for the government, then the government pays your salary and anything that you do that is work product for the government then, actually belongs to the government, to the archivist. She was also -- you know, she was the first woman -- I'm sorry. She was the first secretary of state that's going to go on, run for president as a woman. There's a historical record there that assume, assume that she would want the media to know about, and for generations to be able to look through. But they're going to find out that there's big holes and so what Julie's said is that are -- is correct. Hillary Clinton has been a reckless with the Democrats' support, OK? And now, she is such a hypocrite on several things. One of them is also the start of -- it's like little life. So she says that she turned over these documents, the hard copies because, it was part of a State Department wide request for all former secretaries to turnover any possible e-mails. That is not true. Don't take it from me, read The New York Times. Because the State Department itself said that two weeks ago, and had to reverse itself two days later when it turns out those e-mails were actually turned over prompted by Congressman Trey Gowdy, who was running the Benghazi committee investigation. So, you have numerous possible lies within this state -- this press conference. I would say that the story is growing legs, not --

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PERINO: They didn't do what they did -- they didn't do what they needed to do.

BOLLING: All right. So, do you want to know what the 30,000 e-mails contain that she, quote, "got rid of" How dare you, listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

H. CLINTON: At the end, I chose not to keep my private personal e-mails. E- mails about planning Chelsea's wedding or my mother's funeral arrangements, condolence notes to friends as well as yoga routines, family vacations, the other things you typically find in inboxes. No one wants their personal e- mails made public and I think most people understand that and respect that privacy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Yoga and funerals. We must really be idiots if we elect her president. She thinks we are -- I think we would be if we did.

GUTFELD: Well, I mean, she does yoga? That's a stretch.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: We'll be right back. Yeah. I think what she did, it was -- she played the emotional card, which is always, you know the funerals and -- weddings and how dare you. How dare you invade my life? You know, that's disgusting. But that goes back to your point, Julie. If you mix the personal and the political -- the personal and governmental, we have every right to question the funerals or the weddings or anything that might be about your husband on a jet, for example. Certain things like that could be in those e-mails too, because she's making the judgment call.

BOLLING: Oh, the jet out west with the daughter.

PERINO: Well also not --

GUTFELD: She was going to a wedding.

PERINO: It's also the donor issue.

GUILFOYLE: Four Weddings and a Funeral.

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: It's right.

PERINO: I think that this is an important point and then somebody -- some enterprising journalist will probably be pulling on these threads, which is, what other sort of possible personal business was she doing on behalf of the Clinton foundation which has been accused of taking foreign money while she was secretary of state, and the question of -- you know, what are we doing ethically between the Clinton foundation.

GUILFOYLE: Oh God.

PERINO: Her campaign.

GUILFOYLE: All right.

PERINO: The State Department. They really did not answer the mail today.

BOLLING: I think that's -- very, at the very heart of why these were only private e-mails, for those deals.

GUILFOYLE: But why is anybody surprised? Honestly, really? This is -- the Clinton's. This is their like M.O., modus operandi. This is how they roll. OK, they have the Clinton foundation -- yeah, alright, good job. You're going to be secretary of state. I'm going to be me, Bill Clinton, being awesome everywhere. Women love me. And then eventually, we're going to get back in the White House and this is how it's going to happen. So I don't -- I don't know why Democrats are that surprised or bummed out because, I think this is parts of their playbook.

PERINO: Well they put their whole -- they put their whole faith in her, and then.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

PERINO: They have no other plans. So that's why most Democrats are saying, God, I hope this just goes away.

ROGINSKY: Well --

PERINO: Because, we don't have an alternative. I'm sorry, Governor O'Malley of Maryland who is not going to be the next president of the United States.

ROGINSKY: And here is the dilemma, right?

GUILFOYLE: It's all about in 2000 (ph).

ROGINSKY: In 2008, the reason that a lot of people went for Obama was because of the no drama. Remember no drama Obama?

PERINO: Yes.

ROGINSKY: That was a direct respond.

PERINO: Yeah.

ROGINSKY: To the drama.

PERINO: Of this.

ROGINSKY: Of the Billy Hilly (ph). Listen, I happen to have thought Bill Clinton was a fantastic president. And I would hope that she'll be that kind of president but, she's not going to be president if she treats the Democratic Party, for starters and the rest of the voters with this kind of distain (ph).

BOLLING: All right.

ROGINSKY: So that's for all. (ph)

BOLLING: They are wrapping us, we got to go.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: That was a big 16 1/2 minutes in A-block. Coming up, a political showdown is heating up over the U.S.-Iran nuke negotiations. GOP lawmakers are taking President Obama to task in an explosive open letter, triggering an angry response from some Democrats. The latest details when The Five returns.

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PERINO: All right, the war of words over President Obama's foreign policy is heating up. Yesterday, a group of 47 Republican senators penned an open letter to Iran, warning, they may not honor a nuclear deal done without their approval. Democrats are fuming, claiming the letter represents a breach of foreign policy protocol. Vice President Joe Biden may have issued the strongest review, saying that the letter was designed to undercut a sitting president in the midst of sensitive international negotiations and is beneath the dignity of an institution I revere. Senator Tom Cotton, who organized the letter, responded to the vice president, earlier today.

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SEN.TOM COTTON (R), ARKANSAS: Joe Biden, as Barack Obama's own secretary of defense has said, has been wrong about nearly every major foreign policy and national security decision in the last 40 years. Moreover, that Joe Biden so respects the dignity of the institution of the Senate, he should be insisting that the president submit any deal to approval of the Senate which is exactly what he did on numerous deals during his time in the Senate.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: And this just to tie this back to the A-block, I want to show you a clip from Hillary Clinton's press conference today because, the first thing she did before taking on her e-mail disaster was to attack Republicans. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

H. CLINTON: The recent letter from Republican Senators was out of step with the best traditions of American leadership, and one has to ask, what was the purpose of this letter? There appear to be two logical answers. Either these senators were trying to be helpful to the Iranians or harmful to the commander in chief in the midst of high stakes international diplomacy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: Now I thought that was kind of interesting, because in her book, Hard Choices, that came out last year. She actually said -- that she doesn't like this Iran deal. She said, no deal is better than a bad deal. I don't know if that is still her position, because Susan Rice, the national security adviser and President Obama have said that a bad deal is better than no deal. So there's that. And the second thing is, in 2007 Nancy Pelosi as speaker of the House, went to Syria against the wishes of the Bush administration. This is what Hillary Clinton -- Senator, at the time said, "I have long advocated engagement with countries in the region including Iran and Syria, and I applaud Speaker Pelosi and her delegation for going to the region." I bring that up, Greg, because I think it shows the hypocrisy on all this point that people are focused on the politics of it and not the substance of actually what's in the deal.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: There might people in (inaudible).

GUTFELD: There's also no sense of priority, that's somehow a note is worse than a nuke. Their out -- their sense of outrage over a letter is -- weird when you're thinking that you are actually dealing with annihilation, nuclear weapons. But Joe aids the letter, it -- really is the White House and these mullahs and that is the good thing. It's almost like the letter is a parental check. You know, President Obama and these mullahs are like a teenage couple that went down to the basement to make out and these Republicans are the parents that are going down and they're knocking on the door saying, it's for your own good, you guys get apart. You guys get somebody has to go down there and keep them apart because apparently, they're doing something that we don't know.

PERINO: Kimberly --

GUILFOYLE: Wow.

PERINO: What happen -- couldn't it have been better, Kimberly, if the senators had sent the letter -- addressed to President Obama and then copied Tehran?

GUILFOYLE: Well like --

PERINO: It wasn't a direct letter to Iran.

GUILFOYLE: Like BCC Tehran.

(LAUGHTER)

PERINO: All right.

GUILFOYLE: Exactly. Look, I mean, I understand where they're coming from and they trying to be aggressive and play hardball here. And they're also not wrong with respect to the situation here, what the president can do and what they can do, in fact that they have the votes. This is a messy situation and it's unfortunate because there's so much at stake, but we shouldn't have a president that is just going to willfully act by executive action and disregard Congress altogether, I have a problem with that.

PERINO: One argument for Senator Cotton and the 47 to send this letter was because, it's been clear in public comments that Tehran doesn't understand that this is not a binding treaty, that this is a deal with the Obama administration, they were trying to make that clear.

BOLLING: And part of the problem is President Obama said I'm going to this with or without you, so we're going to go ahead and do it. In the aftermath of that letter, one -- I can't remember which Democrat called Senator Tom Cotton, Tehran Tom, because in this letter that he sent to --somehow sending a letter to Tehran makes them negotiating. They weren't negotiating. They were saying, whatever you're doing won't last after President Obama's term. The problem with, we aren't -- were John Kerry, President Obama, we're negotiating with terrorism. We're negotiating with state-sponsored terror through the foreign minister of Iran, through the mullahs, et cetera. We shouldn't be and our 47 -- by the way, why is it only 47?

PERINO: Well, that's a good question. I want to ask Julie this, because you know the Hillary bill well, and Senator Corker of Tennessee has a bill that has 64 votes right now, they just need 67. Does this move by the Cotton team hurt those efforts to try to get those votes?

ROGINSKY: If I were Bob Corker, who is a staunch Republican, I would be furious.

PERINO: Right.

ROGINSKY: Over his behavior today. Because what he did was just -- with they did was undermine a veto-proof majority to get this done. The House already passes it. Congratulations House Republicans -- Senate Republicans, you just screwed your own Senate foreign relations committee chairman and I'm sure he's not happy about that state.

PERINO: All right. Directly ahead, new developments at the University of Oklahoma, after students were caught on tape chanting racial slurs, the school just announced serious action, that we're going to bring to you the details, next.

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GUILFOYLE: The fallout intensifies at the University of Oklahoma. Two students have been expelled, and the school is cutting ties with the fraternity after they were caught on tape chanting racial slurs.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can hang them from a tree, but they'll never sign with me. There will never be a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) at SAE.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can hang them from a tree, but they'll never sign with me. There will never be a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) at SAE.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can hang them from a tree, but they'll never sign with me. There will never be a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) at SAE.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: Well, the video shows a group of brothers from O.U.'s now- defunct Sigma Alpha Epsilon chapter on a bus performing the racist chant. A midnight deadline is set for the fraternity to be out of their house as the school's president took swift and decisive action.

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DAVID BOREN, PRESIDENT, UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA: Within just minutes of learning of this video and determining that some of our students were involved, we've kicked the fraternity off the campus. They are packing up their bags. They have to be out of the house within 24 hours. And we're just not going to tolerate it. We have a zero tolerance policy.

I think you have to send the strongest possible message. You impact not only the entire culture on this campus, but on campuses across the country.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: Some O.U. students say they're not surprised by the disturbing incident.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I would definitely say it's not an isolated incident.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We talked exclusively to an O.U. senior who asked we not use her name or show her face, because she didn't want to be associated with the from fraternity. She says she was invited to an SAE date party two years ago and heard the same chant on the bus.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was disgusted and appalled, but at the same time, I wasn't surprised.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: All right. So obviously, this is a fraternity that's had problems nationally, on a couple -- a few other occasions and in this specific area. Julie, we were just talking about that they've had some problems with racial slurs and this type of horrible speech and behavior.

ROGINSKY: Who in 2015 talks this way? This is what I don't understand. I mean, I went to college a long time ago, 20 years, a long time ago, but I can't recall -- and I went to school in Boston, which is not known for its, you know, racial sensitivities. It's actually got issues itself. But I've never, in my worst nightmare, encountered this kind of language. And I don't understand who these kids are that grew up this way.

And I can see, look, one or two isolated incidents, but an entire fraternity consistently making threats and essentially generalizations about an entire ethnic group, I don't understand what's going on. It's like really depressing.

GUILFOYLE: It's sad. It's depressing. It's saddening.

ROGINSKY: Yes.

BOLLING: So I went to college and grew up through the fraternity system and ended up being president of the fraternity. And I will tell you, the fraternity system works for a lot of people.

GUILFOYLE: Of course.

BOLLING: No, no, it works for a lot of people. There are a lot of responsibilities that you have to the national fraternity.

I mean, this is clearly a chapter that broke all the rules. I'm not surprised Sigma Alpha Epsilon. What they didn't do, though, is they suspended them for four years. They should have just wiped that chapter off and say, "You guys are done. You're never coming back."

GUILFOYLE: Lose their charter. Yes.

BOLLING: Lose that -- they should. And the school should also make sure they never come back on campus.

But the fraternity system, we should not trash the whole fraternity system. These guys are wrong. They're disgusting; they're horrible. They should be thrown out of school for what they did, and I think they did.

O.U. is going to have a lot of fallout, too. Already a star football recruit has said, "You know what? I'm not going to that school." There are going to be a lot of people say "I'm not going to that school" because of that one fraternity. It's going to be years, if not decades before they recover from this.

ROGINSKY: You know what I love about this segment? How you worked in how awesome and cool you were in college. That's part of the segment.

BOLLING: Frat president.

ROGINSKY: Did you know -- did you know he was frat president?

BOLLING: What I knew is we had to do a whole -- we had to go through profiles of people in the fraternity. We had to send it to national. We had to make sure they had background checks. They couldn't have records. I mean, there's a lot of things that...

PERINO: Some fraternities do.

BOLLING: Right. Well, I think most do. I'm surprised they don't.

PERINO: I went to a school that didn't have any. There was, like, no Greek system at the University of Southern Colorado, now CSU-Pueblo.

I think that the bus driver would have been well within his rights, even though he might have gotten in a little bit of trouble, to slam on the brakes, right as the guy was standing up, making -- making the horrible comments. And just like, you know, "You're not sitting down with your seatbelt on, fine." Give them a little shock to the system.

I think that the other thing is, to your point, Julie, that people don't -- you don't hear this thing anymore. I think it could be -- this is just a theory, a Perino theory -- we were raised by Baby Boomers, and Baby Boomers were very sensitive and wanted to make sure that their children didn't use that type of language and didn't hear that language.

And then so -- then the next generation isn't necessarily as sensitive to it. And that's also happening on campus when it comes to anti-Semitism, as well.

GUILFOYLE: What do you think about the reaction here?

GUTFELD: Well, the most shocking thing is I heard white people saying it. I mean, I haven't heard the "N" word used by white people in a long time.

I have to say there's no ambiguity here. It is revolting. I mean, they're talking about hanging blacks.

This is -- and by the way, you could say that this is an isolated incident. That's a traditional song. You know it's traditional by the way that it's sung. It sounds like it's been around for a long time.

And this is the beauty of cell phones. It may be the one thing that finally exterminates the stuff that you never saw previously because it was secret. I used to be against cell phones, because It thought that -- like I don't want to be filmed on the streets. But you know what? This is why they work.

It's because these are songs that are traditionally sung privately, and nobody talks about them. You caught it on tape. You caught these guys. They should be expelled.

And the upside to this, as well, is that everybody feels the revulsion when you hear that. And there's some countries where that doesn't happen. And at least here, we look at this, and we go, "This is absolutely disgusting."

GUILFOYLE: Yes. It is...

GUTFELD: It is disgusting.

And by the way, these guys are screwed. I mean, there are guys in ISIS who have brighter futures than them.

BOLLING: They're going to have to move out of the state.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

GUILFOYLE: They got guys suspended, revoked at U.C. Davis, too. I had a very bad incident with SAE in that house my first year of college.

BOLLING: Did you see the Vine that came up this afternoon, the house mother who had...

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: ... used -- a 7-second of her using the "N" word several times on it. And by the way, she was interviewed saying, "I never saw any of that."

GUILFOYLE: Yes. All right. Well, next on "The Five" what happens when you elect a liberal mayor like Bill de Blasio to run a big city like New York? So far, the results have been alarming. Greg's got the details when we come back. He's alarmed.

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GUTFELD: Unless you're a well-off liberal, it's been a bad year for New York City. Shootings are way up, homicides, too, by 20 percent. Subway delays have soared by 45 percent. A mayor's chief two concerns, crime reduction and transportation, they're crumbling. If you can't provide safe dependable passage to your citizens, then what good are you?

Instead the waitress or busboy has to wait in dank subways for trains that never come and bullets that might.

Yet the cordoned-off elite, those who voted in de Blasio, they're fine. They don't live in those neighborhoods. They use Uber, not the understand. So is it any coincidence this is happening under the most progressive leader since Marx? If you were a Republican with these stats, you'd be hogtied, bobbing in the Hudson.

The odd thing is, you couldn't have a de Blasio without a Giuliani first, meaning you need an adult to set the table for the child to turn it over.

Somewhere we've been told that we could trust leftists with our lives. Romanticized as noble feelers, we hand them the keys to the city, and they run it off a cliff. But you cannot trust an ideology of subversion to protect you simply because the times are good. Civilization is fragile. When the fibers fray and the floors crack, chaos inevitably returns. It would be far better just to let liberals play the leaders in movies and television and let the conservatives do it in real life, because this alternative, it's killing us.

All right. Julie, I imagine you might defend him, but I don't know if you will.

ROGINSKY: I actually won't. I'm actually not a big Bill de Blasio fan. I kind of have buyer's remorse, because I did vote for him along with, I think, like, 80 percent of the New York population. So I don't think it's just the liberal entitled elite.

GUILFOYLE: No, no, no, no.

GUTFELD: But nobody voted.

GUILFOYLE: The voter turnout was very low.

ROGINSKY: Whatever, but the point is, he got huge, huge, huge numbers.

PERINO: That's true.

ROGINSKY: He really did.

PERINO: You're right.

GUILFOYLE: Of who voted.

ROGINSKY: Of who voted. OK. Nevertheless, if you don't come out to vote, you shouldn't complain about the results.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

ROGINSKY: But I'm actually not really thrilled with this tenure, I've got to tell you, not just because of what you just said. But in general, look, I don't think the Al Sharpton thing bothers me tremendously. I don't like that.

GUTFELD: Yes.

ROGINSKY: And I'm a Democrat and I'm a liberal. But there are certain things you go too far. I don't think you should be dictating our racial policies.

GUTFELD: Right.

ROGINSKY: I'm old enough to remember what Al Sharpton did under David Dinkins and stoking sort of the flames there. And I don't like it, and I am -- have a little buyer's remorse when it comes to Bill de Blasio, unfortunately.

GUTFELD: Dana, what do you think about nationwide as a harbinger for crime? I mean, New York's success in crime reduction led the way across the country. And we're now rejecting the very principles -- well, stop and frisk and things like that -- that helped reduce crime. What's it say for the rest -- should the recipe be?

PERINO: Well, I think it's a warning. Right? So that if you're going to have someone like Giuliani to come in and clean everything up, that it's incumbent upon you to try to continue that. Rahm Emanuel has tried that in Chicago, and now he's facing a very typical reelection campaign in Chicago, not from a Republican but from someone further to his left. And hopefully Chicago will reject that idea.

GUTFELD: Is this just an anomaly, Eric? It seems like every city that's in trouble is run by a liberal mayor.

BOLLING: Well, don't forget, Bloomberg started a lot of the things that de Blasio's keeping going. First of all, what he did with the NYPD is atrocious. I'd say everything he did with them. He drew a line between the city and the NYPD. That's something that he'll never be able to live down.

Regarding what you said, transportation is one of the most important things. It's what brings commerce in and out of the city. Bloomberg and de Blasio now have screwed up Times Square.

GUTFELD: They did.

BOLLING: They shut it down.

GUILFOYLE: So badly.

BOLLING: There's no traffic in Times Square; it's only foot traffic. East-west in New York City, the whole Upper West Side, every east-west street is being -- is under construction right now.

GUTFELD: It's amazing.

BOLLING: It's a disaster. The city is a disaster. Whoever thought that that was going to be a good idea is completely off base.

I'm not sure what they're doing besides raising our taxes, more potholes, screwing with the police. What -- what's good?

GUTFELD: K.G.

GUILFOYLE: I mean, when is he gone? Really? Big Bird, bye-bye. I don't know what to do about it. It's terrible. You see such a big difference in New York City, living here, now that he is the mayor.

And just the loss of confidence just from the police department. Every police officer I talk to, they're just so disillusioned...

GUTFELD: It's true.

GUILFOYLE: ... by his lack of leadership, his disparaging comments saying to his son that he has talk to him to be afraid of police officers, that they might shoot him just outright because he's African-American? Sad. It's really sad. It's not helpful. It's divisive. It's irresponsible. And I don't know.

Again, low voter turnout, see what happens.

GUTFELD: But you know, we've got to go. But I want to stress that this is not a local thing. This is national.

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: New York is the biggest city, the greatest city in the world. What happens here is going to affect every part of this country. So this is -- don't just say, "Oh, they're a bunch of New Yorkers whining." This is going to affect you. Because a lot of our success led to the success elsewhere.

GUILFOYLE: And the tourists that come here. People come from all over the world to New York City.

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: So it affects -- it impacts everybody. It has a large reach.

GUTFELD: All right. Up next, is too much praise from parents turning kids into little narcissists? New details next.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, yay.

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ROGINSKY: Mom and dads out there, listen up. A new study from the University of Ohio says kids who think too highly of themselves likely develop narcissism, because their parents put them on a pedestal, showering them with constant and possibly undue praise. It can have serious consequences both in childhood and later in life. So should we stop praising our kids altogether?

Kimberly, I'm going to go to you.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

ROGINSKY: Because you...

GUILFOYLE: I just want to tell you that you're awesome.

ROGINSKY: I am awesome. My mom and dad told me that all the time. And that's why I obviously grew up to be the non-narcissist that I am today.

I -- look, here's the problem for me...

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

ROGINSKY: ... because I have a 2-year-old and I constantly tell him how awesome he is. And I hope that I do it because he deserves it, because he's done something awesome. But he's 2, so it's not like he does anything awesome all the time.

GUTFELD: He poops awesome.

GUILFOYLE: OK.

ROGINSKY: He does poop awesome. His poop is awesome. And don't you dare say anything otherwise.

GUILFOYLE: What about when he does something wrong or you have to discipline him? How do...

ROGINSKY: So I try to do that, and then he manipulates me and starts acting really cute, and I tell him how awesome he is anyway. So like, I'm complete...

GUILFOYLE: This is a cry for help.

ROGINSKY: This is a cry for help, and actually -- actually, I'm talking to myself here. I need to do something about this. Single mom talk.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, single mom caucus.

ROGINSKY: It is, but what do you think? I mean, because you have the same -- you have a small fry? A mother.

GUILFOYLE: Look, it's hard, especially moms with boys. You want to shower them with all kinds of, you know, love and hugs and kisses. But you have to be firm on them. You know, when they're bad, they misbehave, you've got to lay down the law. So I try and do that, too. He knows. And give him a look and tell him what's going on.

ROGINSKY: Eric, spare the rod, something the child?

BOLLING: Tough love.

ROGINSKY: OK.

BOLLING: Honestly, you have to do tough love or they'll walk all over you. But this doesn't just stop with parenting and kids. I mean, coaches, athletes, jobs, bosses, employees. It's the same thing. The more you shower them with praise, the bigger their heads are going to get. Greg, stop it. I know what you're thinking right now.

My parents were tough on me a little bit.

ROGINSKY: But wait. I actually have a legitimate question. Because 100 years ago used to be the opposite. The kids were, you know, seen and not heard. That wasn't great either.

GUTFELD: Right. Those were the good old days.

ROGINSKY: Were those the good old days?

PERINO: They raised the greatest generation.

GUTFELD: Every child...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God, this end of the table. Like...

GUTFELD: Every child that I have sired, I have driven out into the woods and left them with a box of Triscuits, and all of them are now successful doctors and bankers, and doctors and bankers.

No. Studies show high self-esteem is a barrier to achievement. Because if you already feel good about yourself, you're less likely to go do something, because you don't feel you need to. And this is the problem with the modern campus, is that everybody is focused on identity and not achievement. If they say you're great because of who you are, that's wrong. It's what you do.

ROGINSKY: So the reason we've all achieved something is because we're all super insecure, is what you're saying?

PERINO: Yes.

ROGINSKY: Dana, you're nodding your head at this horrible behavior.

PERINO: Gen X -- Gen X, we are -- we were definitely under-appreciated and not praised. And that's why we get mad at millennials who think they're so -- we think they think that they're entitled to things, because everybody has praised them.

Another reason for parents to listen to this study is that narcissists are not likable people. So you're not going to have a lot of friends if you're a narcissist. Maybe -- I've talked to a friend of mine who's a mom. She said the best thing to do is only praise things that require effort. I thought that was a good rule of thumb.

BOLLING: So don't give a trophy for fifth place any more.

PERINO: No. And no kindergarten graduation, no fifth grade graduation. Graduate twice: high school and college

ROGINSKY: All right. I went to my son's 2-year-old preschool graduation. But coming up...

PERINO: ... need to buy a gift.

ROGINSKY: "One More Thing" is up next.

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BOLLING: All right. It's time for "One More Thing." I'm going to kick it off. Some great news for the Constitution, the Second Amendment specifically. The ATF, you know that bullet ban we've been talking about for the last 10 days or so? They've decided, the ATF, to shelve the proposed bullet ban on an M-855. Makes this sound byte very appropriate. Play it.

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CHARLTON HESTON, FORMER PRESIDENT, NRA: From my cold dead hands.

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BOLLING: Well said, Charlton Heston.

All right, K.G. You're up.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Everybody like Chihuahuas?

ROGINSKY: Me. I have one.

BOLLING: You have one?

ROGINSKY: I do.

GUTFELD: That's your child.

ROGINSKY: I know.

GUTFELD: I know it's hairy, but still.

ROGINSKY: My first child is my Chihuahua.

GUILFOYLE: Slowing the "One More Thing" here. OK. So the Transportation Security Administration's Instagram account is littered with seized items, right, such as throwing stars -- Greg, you've got one of those.

GUTFELD: Oh, that's mine.

GUILFOYLE: Meat cleavers, firecrackers, a spear gun. How cool is that?

But last week one TSA agent was shocked to find a Chihuahua shoved away inside a suitcase. Oh, my God. Yo quiero Taco Bell.

GUTFELD: Was he alive?

BOLLING: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

PERINO: They want to have -- they're going to muzzle him in the airport.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, alive. They're such resilient little creatures. He's just so cute. He snuck into the suitcase, and he triggered the alarm. So it's kind of like McCauley Culkin, but in Chihuahua form.

GUTFELD: He looks like McCauley Culkin.

GUILFOYLE: Like "Home Alone."

PERINO: That would be a great show. Interview people that tried to get stuff like that through TSA.

GUILFOYLE: The owner had no idea that the dog was in there, like, "Whoa, I guess he wanted to come away on vacation." It really is like "Home Alone."

BOLLING: OK. D.P., you're up.

PERINO: OK. All of you aspiring bed and breakfast owners and writers, I want you to hear about this contest. So there's a woman named Janice Sage. She's the owner of this inn -- check it out there -- Center Lovell Inn and Restaurant in Maine. It was built in 1895. It's valued at one point -- I'm sorry, $905,000. She plans to give away the property with an essay contest. So you can turn in an essay for 200 words at $125 a piece. That will pay what she needs for the 210-year-old facility and an additional $20,000 for the next owner. You could win this and have, like, your dream. So you could become an award-winning writer of 200 words -- that's it -- and you could get to own an inn. I think it's very innovative.

Why are you scoffing?

GUTFELD: Bed and breakfast? It's just somebody's house. Give it up.

BOLLING: Greg, do your "One More Thing" while you're there.

GUILFOYLE: Can you imagine you owning someone's bed and breakfast? Disaster.

GUTFELD: Banned word today, trending. So this is...

BOLLING: Oh, no.

GUILFOYLE: No.

GUTFELD: ... when somebody says -- when something is trending, that means lots of people are clicking on it. But what happens is, because when people see that something is trending, then they click on it some more. So it's like a self-perpetuating example of the herd mentality, because everybody has a fear of missing out. So you have to click on something.

PERINO: You know what happens when there's a lot of trending?

GUTFELD: What?

PERINO: It breaks the Internet.

GUTFELD: Nicely done, bed and breakfast person.

GUILFOYLE: Double banning.

BOLLING: Julie.

ROGINSKY: So are you a 15-year-old boy?

GUTFELD: Yes.

ROGINSKY: Or the sense of humor of a 15-year-old boy, like I do? Then you are going to be beyond excited. Because this may be the best thing that's happened to me since 2001 when the original "Zoolander" came out. "Zoolander 2" and look.

GUILFOYLE: God, I love it.

ROGINSKY: I love this. I'm so excited. And Owen Wilson and there's Zoolander himself, Ben Stiller, apparently took over Fashion Week, walked down the run way. This may be the most exciting thing that's happened to me in a very long time, which makes it pathetic but awesome.

PERINO: I like that movie.

BOLLING: Yes, you have to wait a few months for that, right?

GUILFOYLE: I love it. It's funny.

ROGINSKY: Cannot wait.

GUILFOYLE: Bolling, you do the Blue Steel look. He knows.

PERINO: Desperate, is it?

GUILFOYLE: Not even denying it.

BOLLING: Got to leave it right there.

Set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" with Bret Baier, up next.

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