Was America misled on the demise of Al Qaeda?

Intel at odds with Obama narrative


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 6, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Jesse Watters and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

One year after the raid that killed Usama bin Laden, President Obama campaigned for re-election on the demise of Al Qaeda.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: There is a reason why Al Qaeda is on its heels and has been decimated. There is a reason why Usama bin Laden and his lieutenants are not in a position to be able to execute plots against the United States.

Not only were we able to drive Al Qaeda out of Afghanistan, but slowly and systematically, we have been able to decimate the ranks of Al Qaeda.

I said we will refocus on the terrorists who actually attacked us on 9/11 and we have.


OBAMA: And today, a new tower rises above the New York skyline and Al- Qaeda is on the path to defeat.


PERINO: But a man with access to the documents recovered from bin Laden's compound, says the president's public claims about Al Qaeda's strength did not match up with the intelligence claims (ph) from the items that were seized. Here is Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, the former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.


LT. GEN. MICHAEL FLYNN, FORMER DIRECTOR OF THE DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY: What I know the intelligence said was not necessarily what, what we hear.

BRET BAIER, SPECIAL REPORT SHOW HOST: It was diametrically opposed, wasn't it?

FLYNN: I would say from my perspective, it was just the opposite. You can't -- you can't sit here and say -- you know, that Al Qaeda was defeated when we are still looking at elements of Al Qaeda that are conducting operations.

BAIER: A year after the UBL raid in a speech May 1, 2012, President Obama said, quote, "The goal that I set to defeat Al Qaeda and deny the chance to rebuild is now within our reach." It wasn't though?

FLYNN: And this is March of 2015.

BAIER: And we're still not within the reach.

FLYNN: I wouldn't say we are. I can't sit here and tell you that we are.


PERINO: Stephen Hayes co-wrote a column exposed in the discrepancy and appeared on Special Report last night.


STEPHEN HAYES, COLUMNIST FOR THE WEEKLY STANDARD: And precisely, the time the administration is making that case most strenuously for the final six months of the 2012 presidential election, you have now a senior U.S. intelligence official well respected, well regarded in Mike Flynn running the DIA saying in effect, we were telling them the opposite. We were saying that Al Qaeda had doubled its capacity. We were saying that Al- Qaeda was growing. The threat was exploding and the president went out and said exactly the opposite.


PERINO: Alright, Greg, you are not the most conspiracy minded person I know. So let me go to you first.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Who told you that?


PERINO: What do you think what it is going on here?

GUTFELD: This is not President Obama's fault. Bin Laden had kept all of his e-mails on a personal account --


GUTFELD: Which is totally illegal, but there was not a single one found on Al But OK --

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: It was on the Clinton server.


GUTFELD: There are two key points here. You cannot close GITMO if there is -- if terrorism is still wide spread, and that was a primary goal of President Obama was to close GITMO. But you can't close GITMO if you need to get more terrorists. So why the intentional error? The intentional error is because of this perverse priority. If you are too focused on terrorism, you can't focus on terror format (ph). You can't focus on the earth. This is about focusing everything on climate change, on global warming, because that limits the influence of America. Whereas the -- whereas the war on terror expands American influence, climate change marginalizes the United States, and that's why it is attractive to -- to basically to the left. Terrorist -- war on terror is good for America because, it should -- we are actually fighting evil. But, war on climate change we are fighting ourselves, and that's preferable. That's my conspiracy.


GUTFELD: But if you --

PERINO: I like it.

GUTFELD: OK. Thank you.

PERINO: I find it very interesting.

GUTFELD: Can I go home now?

PERINO: Not yet. But stick around, because we got some more things I want to ask you about. Kimberly, next, is it possible that the documents were so sensitive that the administration wanted to prevent additional leaks so that they made a much more closely held and that's why, maybe some other people in government that thought they should have access to them, didn't have access? I'm just trying to put myself in their shoes and be generous.

GUILFOYLE: Well now that, you've done that. We're gonna lift you right out delicately of their shoes and put you back on earth, because I -- you know, I don't trust anything they do and I think the evidence was quite conclusive from that raid. The bits of information that we have been able to get out and from my intelligence sources, that that showed that Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda had worldwide reach, that it was spreading an influence and that is very bad, like Greg said, for their business. They do not want to say that the United States needs to get more involved internationally or that we are at war with terror. These are terms and fundamentals that they disdain. They would rather focus on domestic issues here at home, on climate change and retreat America back like, roll back in the real so that we are not out there having influence in the world theater.

PERINO: One thing surprise me in this document, Jesse, was that Al Qaeda's relationship with Iran is discussed in these documents, and I think that -- given what is happening now in Iraq and also with the fact that the president is going towards trying to get a deal with Iran -- I thought that struck -- that struck me as the most troubling aspect of this.

JESSE WATTERS, GUEST CO-HOST: That struck me too. I was not surprised president wide. I mean, the Fact-Checker called him, Lie of the Year. The other year on Obamacare, that's surprised, he lied about Al- Qaeda. And remember this is the beginning.


WATTERS: Of the election. Call it (ph) years ago. Remember he said GM is alive --


WATTERS: And bin Laden is dead, turns out Detroit is bankrupt and ISIS is creating caliphate in the Middle East. But you are right, the documents were troubling in one specific reason here. The president prohibited the Intel guys from even reading and analyzing bin Laden's files. That is dereliction of duty. But he is not just banning books, he is incinerating them. And what the document said was they are trying to collaborate with Iranians.


WATTERS: They are trying to exploit the Arab spring, and they are on the same side as the Muslim brotherhood. With the same Muslim brotherhood that was invaded the White House.

GUILFOYLE: That we have elevate.



WATTERS: And all of a sudden the president saying (ph) oh, you know, this has never been a safer world, then Clapper comes out and says, it's the most lethal war year in terrorism of all time, 2014. So I think the new bumper sticker for the left should be, Obama lied and people died.

PERINO: Well --


JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: That was good. I like it. It was good.

PERINO: Juan, you and -- earlier this week you had a chance to be at the White House and I know that you can't say anything from that meeting. But, if you could just give us a sense -- are they divorced from reality? Do they recognize the contradiction that continues to pop up, that they did run him on re-election saying that terrorism is calming down around the world, things are better in the Middle East, and -- we have actually have - - are you being, worst problems now, than a few years ago. Do they recognize that?

WILLIAMS: I don't think that we have worse problems now, except in -- with regard to Al Qaeda, and that's I think the flaw in the ointment here. I mean, you know, you guys can bring up climate change and all of this stuff. But look, the reality is bin Laden was killed by this president.

GUILFOYLE: I know, but Al Qaeda wasn't and terror wasn't.

WILLIAMS: And that's what he ran on, he killed bin Laden. I think the American people responded.

GUTFELD: Rob O'Neil did.

WILLIAMS: And then the second thing is, that not only that but -- look, Al- Qaeda has not been able to organize another attack against the United States core, Al Qaeda was not even able to retaliate after bin Laden's death. So what we have here is a situation where people and say, well, we have more spread of terrorism, well that's true, that is absolutely right, Dana. So that's your point that we have more of these groups like ISIS, for example, right now.

PERINO: Which is an --


PERINO: Which is it an offshoot of Al Qaeda.

WILLIAMS: Al Qaeda in the Arabian --


WILLIAMS: Peninsula, right. You can say that, oh, this -- this terrorist thought process has metastasized to around the world -- that's not good. But that's different in saying, Oh, no. Al Qaeda is bigger than ever. That's just not true.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, but the documents actually contradict what you're saying. That's the problem.

WILLIAMS: I don't think so.

GUILFOYLE: That Al Qaeda has even far reaching influence now, than it did before. I mean.

WILLIAMS: Their ideology though.

GUILFOYLE: But Africa, India, Asia, throughout many parts of the Middle East -- I mean, listen, just go into the terrorist -- you know thesaurus. Who cares if you call it -- you know, Al Qaeda, you know, or you call it ISIS. Nevertheless, we are at war with terror.

WILLIAMS: I don't know, I don't have any --

GUILFOYLE: I think it's a very, very na<ve.

WILLIAMS: You're right.

GUILFOYLE: The national security perspectives to say, well, this offshoot of -- you know AQ.

WILLIAMS: No, no. No, no.

GUILFOYLE: Is not in business anymore.

WILLIAMS: You know -- if you want to have a political argument fine. But if you are talking about terrorism and you are talking about the people who attacked us on 9/11 and getting them and cutting off the edge which is what we did when killed bin Laden, that to me is an accomplishment and not to be the picture (ph).

WATTERS: Well, it's the war on terror.

GUILFOYLE: We're not to mention (ph) it.

WATTERS: It's not the war core Al Qaeda.

WILLIAMS: Well, it was at that time when they attacked --

WATTERS: No. It was war on terror.

WILLIAMS: We were after the guys that plotted and executed what was a devastating attack.

WATTERS: Yes, we did. And now they spread all over the world.

GUILFOYLE: They have tentacles.

WATTERS: There in Yemen, there in Libya.


WATTERS: There in Iraq and Syria, and they (inaudible).

WILLIAMS: Their ideology -- the ideology -- I mean, but you can say --

WATTERS: I don't have no rather to say you know we got the top guy.


WATTERS: We got the top guy, but then thousands of others pop up.

WILLIAMS: OK, but we -- look, our goal was to get bin Laden -- we did it.

WATTERS: Our goal is to defeat terrorism and he hasn't terrorism spread.

GUTFELD: But about -- I'll tell you this, in a way you are both correct -- you're correct. You know, President Obama's administration got bin Laden. That should have been enough. He shouldn't have been greedy.


GUTFELD: He should have just said, oh, we got --

WATTERS: Williams did.

GUTFELD: Yeah. He did say I -- we got everybody. This is the critique of Al Qaeda -- the rise of Al Qaeda is a mirror of the critique on the war of Iraq, a reverse, in the sense that the White House overestimated the threat with Iraq, and now they under estimate the threat of terror. It's a reverse and it explains a key ideological difference between the right and the left. The right goes after threats -- external threats to perhaps a fault, whereas the left underestimates threats to a fault, but when a chips --

GUILFOYLE: Perfect to say (ph).

GUTFELD: When the chips are down, who do you want in charge? Everybody becomes a Conservative when the threat occurs. The moment the bomb goes off, there is not a liberal in sight, there is not a left-wing insight -- everybody becomes a Conservative, that my -- my argument is, to just be a Conservative all the damn time.


WILLIAMS: Just go for it.

GUILFOYLE: They are like band wagon --

WILLIAMS: Just go for it.

GUTFELD: Overestimate a terror threat than it is to deny it. It's the - and that's what President Obama basically solved a leak in a bedroom ceiling, by closing the door and pretending it wasn't there, but it was there and it grew and the leaks spread.

GUILFOYLE: But that's what makes it even more reckless and danger. As like you said, dereliction of duty, because if you know that and you acting conscience disregard of unknown risk and we're gonna say, it's OK. It's not a matter of political ideology. I mean, that is an administration not doing its job and putting the rest of us in America and in the world for that matter, at risk.

WILLIAMS: I see. Who's -- let me think.

GUILFOYLE: That's the problem with it.

WILLIAMS: Let me think. Who is leading the global war on terror at this moment? Is it Germany? Oh, no.


WATERS: But Juan, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Is it France? Oh, no.

WATTERS: Obama is --

WILLIAMS: Is it President --

WATTERS: Juan, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Let me finish. Is it President Obama and the United States of America and our good soldiers?

GUILFOYLE: Well right now --





GUIILFOYLE: It's King Abdullah and Netanyahu, actually.

WATTERS: Yeah, Juan. Why is it --

WILLIAMS: Oh no, it's not. It's not King Abdullah, please.

WATTERS: Why is it Obama's coalition against terror like half the size of Bush's, number one, OK?

WILLIAMS: I think -- I think that --

WATTERS: Number two, he hasn't rallied the world. He's not even arming the rebels.

WILLIAMS: Are you kidding me?


WILLIAMS: Are you kidding me? Look, the reality is --

WATTERS: Juan, the stagnant (ph) does not have the stomach.


WATTERS: For this fight.

GUILFOYLE: It's so true.

WILLIAMS: Oh, come on. He has the stomach.

WATTERS: Come on.

GUILFOYLE: He doesn't even have, like a baby rattle from bye-bye baby.

WILLIAMS: Not only he has the stomach for this fight.

WATTERS: Come on, Juan.

WILLIAMS: We are leading this fight. We have been invested money.

WATTERS: You can say you are leading.

WILLIAMS: We are trying --

WATTERS: Just like you said you just decimated Al Qaeda, does it make it true?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, no. Juan drinks the Kool-Aid at the White House again.

WILLIAMS: I'm not drinking any Kool-Aid. But I am saying, you know Greg's point, let's seriously consider this for a second. Greg, makes the point that the right always says, let's go after these guys before they do anything and the left is too quick to diminish it. But I would say that the American people at this moment are a little tired of anybody saying, let's get back in war. Why don't we go back (inaudible).

WATTERS: He just a strong man, Juan.


WATTERS: You don't have to go to World War III. You just -- if want to decimate ISIS.

WILLIAMS: Well, you want to put boots on the ground, Mr. Watters?

WATTERS: I want to have some guy.

WILLIAMS: That's Watters war.

WATTERS: Who is targeting.

WILLIAMS: I think Watters war --


WILLIAMS: Don't be putty muddy.

WATTERS: Watters war will get wet.



PERINO: It has my question is to the media, this is how you could build a career. I'm trying to break this story, and so Stephen -- Steve Hayes and Tom Joscelyn of The Weekend Standard has been on top of this, they break the story.

GUILFOYLE: Amazing (ph).

PERINO: You would think the other journalists might say, maybe we should try to go and -- find out what is happening with the documents. Let's just ask the question, because the administration has been pretty silent.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, and another thing --

PERINO: And not responded.

GUILFOYLE: They don't want to say and this picks up on your point. They don't want to say that Bush and Cheney were right about the threats that stay us here in America and the western world.

GUTFELD: But -- the other -- that the -- they always see this trend whenever the White House wants to do something, they look at the area and announce that it is broken. So your health care is broken, immigration is broken, the justice system is broken.

WILLIAMS: Like what?

GUTFELD: Likewise, to justify inaction they say there is not a problem there. In this case, because -- I really do believe it has a lot to do with closing GITMO.


GUTFELD: They wanted to say that the problem of terrorism was fixed.

WATTERS: It's great though.

GUTFELD: It wasn't broken. Like terrorism somehow is so 2009 or 2008. He wants to fix America. He doesn't want to fix the world.

PERINO: It's the thing like --

GUTFELD: We are the bad guys.

PERINO: It's like they had written his goodbye speech and they were trying to figure out a way to make all of those things true because they wanted to be able to say that he fundamentally changed.


PERINO: America and our foreign policy.


PERINO: Alright, I'm gonna get the last word.


PERINO: Hey, did anyone at the White House ever receive an e-mail from Hillary Clinton's private account while she was secretary of state? Valerie Jarrett answers that question, next.




GUILFOYLE: Does Hillary Clinton trying to conceal her e-mails from the public by using a private account during her time as secretary of state. Long-time Clinton's supporter, Lanny Davis came to her defense on The Kelly File, last night.


LANNY DAVIS, LONG-TIME CLINTON FAMILY SUPPORTER: She sent thousands of e- mails to thousands of people using these e-mail addresses. Everybody got them on the records of State Department.


DAVIS: You take that as concealment?

KELLY: Suggest to the world that she doesn't --

DAVIS: He get (ph) every --

KELLY: Is telegraph to the world that she -- that, that --that's everything she has.

DAVIS: Megyn, thousands of people are getting an e-mail address is not concealment. That's my statement --

KELLY: That's not -- but that --


GUILFOYLE: If thousands of people got Clinton's e-mails were any of them in the White House? Here is the president's senior adviser, Valerie Jarrett.


ERIK SCHATZKER, BLOOMBERG MARKET MAKERS HOST: I have to imagine that while Hillary Clinton was the secretary of state, you received e-mails from her. The president might have even --


SCHATZKER: You did not?

JARRETT: I actually did not. No, I have not received e-mails from Secretary Clinton.

SCHATZKER: Did members of the administration receive e-mails from Hillary Clinton while she was secretary of state?

JARRETT: That I don't know. I do know that obviously the president has very firm policy that e-mails should be kept on government systems. He believes in transparency.


GUILFOYLE: OK. So she is trying to take the issue head on, Dana, by saying -- that look, she personally did not receive any e-mails from Hillary Clinton.

PERINO: I think that is taking it head on this. She's taking it like, I got nothing to do with this. Like, don't look at me and I don't know about anybody else in the White House. I know what the president's policy was. I follow the president's policy. I think this is a very interesting development in the rift between the Obama and the Clinton camp.

GUILFOYLE: Clinton camp, yeah.

PERINO: That I do saw today, they're trying to say, no, no. They have no problems -- that is not true. And if I were the White House I'll be pretty furious this week that the entire week, the media, instead of focusing on things that President Obama wants to do is focusing on a total mess up, possibly an illegal one, by -- the former secretary of state and their former opponent, Hillary Clinton. I think that the other thing the White House is looking at is that regional editorials, like so forget the national media and blogs, all across the country in newspapers. There were actually editorials today, saying, what was Hillary Clinton thinking? This was wrong. And that type of thing starts to bubble up. I am concerned about another piece of this though when, when Lanny Davis has this line that, "well, thousands of people were getting these e-mails." Juan, first of all, Presidential Records Act says, "You are doing government business, you have to have a .gov website -- e-mail address." Sending out to tweet and saying, "I want the State Department to do that. There's not gonna have to explain why in (inaudible) they have their own little like, homemade rediff (ph) system to protect her from anyone else. The other thing they got to keep in mind is that, if that is true that thousands of people were getting these e-mails, that all work in the government, no one raised a red flag to her? Can nobody stand up to her and say, this is wrong or Mrs. Clinton, we really think that you need to have this address, like, no one in the civil service who cares about the State Department thought to actually say, she is doing something wrong?

WILLIAMS: But wait a second, I have to -- a lot of people have private e- mail accounts. I bet all of us at this table have a private e-mail account.

PERINO: Right. You can have -- of course --

WILLIAMS: But that's not -- right.

PERINO: There's nobody say you can't have a private e-mail account. WILLIAMS: You got an e-mail from - first of all you'll be -- everybody say this, oh, this is coming from a private account. You wouldn't necessary think, unless it was classified --

PERINO: If you are doing official government business.

WILLIAMS: Well, that's the thing --

PERINO: And you get an e-mail from the secretary of state.


PERINO: A hotmail.

WILLIAMS: You can send a government business, the question is, classified.

PERINO: No, it's not.

WILLIAMS: It's classified.

PERINO: No, it's not.

WILLIAMS: Yes it is. Because if it -- PERINO: That's not true.

WILLIAMS: If it just government --

PERINO: It's not true.

WILLIAMS: Hang on, Dana. If it just a matter of government information and transaction.

PERINO: It's not true.

WILLIAMS: All that the standard requires is -- that it be able to be retrieved and it be given to the government at the end of the time. And that's why she may not be guilty of any breaking the law.

PERINO: You would be thrown out of court so fast.

GUILFOYLE: That is -- yeah. It's just --

PERINO: With that argument.


WILLIAMS: I want to --


GUILFOYLE: Your objection is --

PERINO: Good thing you are not a lawyer.

WILLIAMS: I'm throwing out on this starship (ph) here. But --

GUILFOYLE: I mean, it's like -- yourself and Lanny Davis?


GUILFOYLE: You know you're trying to do her job.

PERINO: Nice try.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, good try.

WILLIAMS: Thank you, guys.

GUILFOYLE: And I think it's like (inaudible) gets to do their bidding. But, yeah -- maybe everyone was just too afraid of like, the Dr. Evil system over there -- you know at their house.

WILLIAMS: Well she is the big -- GUILFOYLE: Which as a server.

WILLIAMS: She is the big (inaudible).

GUILFOYLE: You know what I mean?

WILLIAMS: But I'm saying, the fact is, that I think that because Republicans now, have been hammering at the story so hard. You are starting to see Democrats.

PERINO: I think that the --

WILLIAMS: Deny reality (ph). PERINO: ACLU is Republican.



GUILFOYLE: The problem is --

PERINO: You know ACLU is Republican.

WILLIAMS: No, what I'm saying -- look, I think --

GUILFOYLE: The problem is she broke the law.

WILLIAMS: No, I don't know.

GUILFOYLE: It's not -- it's not.



WILLIAMS: She did something that was wrong. I don't think that she broke the law necessary, but you are starting to hear people like Bob Shrum, you know. Bob Shrum big democratic operatives saying, you know what this is a matter of -- a conspiracy theory, conspiracy theory. He didn't even mention Greg. He didn't say Greg Gutfeld. But you know, he is starting to talk about conspiracy theory. You know, (inaudible) are comings. No other secretary of state has ever been called on to release all of their private e-mails. Hillary has done this. This is what.

GUILFOYLE: I know, but --

WILLIAMS: You are starting to hear now.

GUILFOYLE: Because you are not getting it, Juan.

GUTFELD: I think we -- look, the Democrats are getting their fillery (ph) of Hillary.


GUTFELD: They are steering clear of her like, she's got Ebola and Nickelback tickets. And.

GUILFOYLE: I'll the Nickelback.

GUTFELD: She is sinking faster than her husband's boxers on Jeffrey Epstein's jet. There you go.


GUTFELD: She created basically the communications equivalent of like a secret back room behind a book case.


GUTFELD: That you used to see in horror movies. You know, where you pull the candle stick.


GUTFELD: And the thing opens. But, instead, all she does is caps (ph) on, she probably uses the drafts. Which why if you have your own e-mail account, you never send an e-mail, you just write everything in drafts so people can read it. She -- I think she is now in trouble. I really don't see -- I think that right now, the Democrats are probably looking for other options, but the Republicans have to start thinking about their options, as well.


GUTFELD: Because they have somebody --

PERINO: And they should just keep quiet. Let this play out.

GUILFOYLE: They have to play out.

PERINO: They don't have to do it now.

WATTERS: I mean --

PERINO: Focus on themselves.


WATTERS: The Obama administration usually destroys the e-mails. I guess Hillary never got the memo. She just cancel it her basement (ph). But this is the -- how the Obama and the White House operates.

GUILFOYLE: It's so Silence of the Lamb, right.

WATTERS: (inaudible) said the primary (ph) now. Lisa Jackson from the EPA had a private e-mail, and then for Lanny to come out there and say, oh, you know, this is no big deal." Hillary prohibited her own State Department staff people from having private e-mails. So, you know, I don't understand what is going on here, if she has classified information on a personal e- mail?

WILLIAMS: That's the problem.

WATTERS: That is a misdemeanor.


WATTERS: If she conceals or destroys that classified information.

WILLIAMS: That's (inaudible).

WATTERS: That is a felony, but even worse.


WATTERS: If she gets hacked by the Chinese, that's incredibly dangerous.


WATTERS: That's like, she's like --

WILLIAMS: Wait a minute, wait a minute.

WATTERS: She cares as much about e-mails security. That she cares about everything --

WILLIAMS: Alright. Alright, I got the point.


GUILFOYLE: Nice, Jesse. Good prep today.

WILLIAMS: The funny -- the funny line I heard today, when someone said this was.


WILLIAMS: Have you heard about Edward Snowden, if our government -- you know, server is so secure -- answer -- yeah. And guess what? It wasn't all that secure.

WATTERS: So that's why she was doing -- she was protecting against hackers.

WILLIAMS: No, no. I'm just saying --


WATTERS: It was Lanny want.

GUILFOYLE: Greg, last word. Go.

GUTFELD: I just want to bring up. There is another scandal here that nobody is talking about and that is that she -- you know the women that work for her got paid 63 cents on the dollar. Which is also, get this -- against the law. She has to answer to that. If she answers to that by saying, there are other variables at play like lifestyle choices or different job qualifications, but she has to allow that explanation for all other businesses across the world -- or the country. So when she starts spewing gender inequality stuff, she's gonna have to face that music and there's no way out of it. She's done.

WATTERS: Hillary is sexist, obviously.


WATTERS: She treats women less.

GUTFELD: She is sexiest.

GUILFOYLE: They're gonna -- they're gonna see if this plays out and if you hear like Biden in the distance like, put him in (ph) --

WATTERS: Yeah. She's like, I don't have e-mails. I don't know how to text.


GUILFOYLE: Actually, yeah.

GUTFELD: You got an earplug (ph) away.

WILLIAMS: I might say you guys are so scared of Hillary.


WATTERS: I just want to say don't put --


WATTERS: I want to see Bill Clinton's e-mails. That's what I really want to --

WILLIAMS: Yes. But that's where --


WILLIAMS: That's a whole different box of candles.

GUILFOYLE: Alright, boys. This isn't an hour of play over it.


GUTFELD: I don't think they are a box of candles.


GUILFOYLE: Coming up --

GUTFELD: Cigars, maybe.



WILLIAMS: Gregory.

GUTFELD: What? He smoked cigars.


GUILFOYLE: Coming up, we have seen some amazing solves on the Wheel of Fortune with a very few letters on the board. But one contestant just failed to solve the puzzle with almost all the letters, leaving some audience members, gasping. Stay tuned for that one is ahead.


GUTFELD: Questions were raised whether a Jewish student should be allowed to join a student council at UCLA. She was temporarily blocked by students who felt her Jewishness would cloud her judgment. Take a close listen, close listen takers.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Given that you are a Jewish student and very active in the Jewish community, how do you see yourself being able to maintain an unbiased view as your position?


GUTFELD: Yes. That actually happened. In 2015 on a campus in America, a Jewish student being told her Jewishness is a conflict of interest like she's in the Klan or something.

So here's a game. Let's replace "Jewish" with "gay" and repeat the bigotry. Quote, "Given that you are a gay student and very active in the gay community, how do you see yourself being able to maintain an unbiased view." You can only imagine saying that, because you'd never say that. If you did, you'd be expelled. Not from school but from the galaxy. You'd have to relocate in Andromeda under an assumed name and face.

Suddenly, the diversity that lock-step leftists once loved is now loathed. An example of how they reject dogma when it conflicts with their own bigotry. Different backgrounds before meant new perspectives. But Jew, your background, that equals bias.

You can blame the rise of anti-Israel fervor generated by activist groups, professors and outside agitators. The same that show up at anticop rallies, as well. And they use that issue to excuse plain-as-day prejudice, which is really an expression of these bigots' own failures. To put it bluntly, they blame the Jews for not falling for the same P.C. crap they did.

So a little update here, Dana. The four members who voted against her until -- this is the best part -- until a faculty adviser had to point out that it's OK to be in a Jewish organization, they actually apologized. But I think they apologized because they were caught. Right?

PERINO: Definitely.


PERINO: Definitely.

I feel like what's happening on campus seems to be that the anti- Israel and the concern about the Palestinians that they profess is being meshed with -- they think it's separate from the Jewishness.

I don't know how, as you said, in 2015 this is actually happening. Tomorrow in a segment coming up on this show, we're going to talk about the 50th anniversary of the Selma event. And we've come so far on African- American relations. I know that we have a long way to go. But how is it that we are actually backsliding when it comes to Jews on campus?

And this is not the first time. This is just an example of something that is rampant across America. And rampant as in that's not an exaggeration.

GUTFELD: No. Jesse, there's all these new studies that find a rise in anti-Jewish sentiment, but it's particularly on campus.

WATTERS: That's right. Well, college campus is a real nexus of radicals. You've got the -- you've got the Muslim activists. You've got the Latino activists. You've got the socialists. And they kind of breed, and they get together and get tear gas and then march. And the next thing you know they're doing the occupy Wall Street thing. It's really dangerous.

And you know, it does create violence sometimes, because if you look at the statistics, the FBI says Jews are more likely to be targeted in a hate crime than Muslims by about ten times.

This is also the reason why when you're in college you're supposed to just drink. Don't join a board. What are you, a narc? You are going to, like, judge your peers?

That's crazy. And then they're also saying, you know, she might not be impartial when things come before the board. What things are happening? Are there, like, Jewish student settlers building dorms close to, like, the Muslim student center? I mean, it's crazy.

GUILFOYLE: You never know.

WATTERS: It's crazy. Not that that would be a problem.

GUTFELD: There's nothing wrong with it, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Wait, I want to tell you something. The other day you and I were talking about, Chris Rock. Right? And Chris Rock said he doesn't even perform on campuses anymore, because they're so politically correct they've lost their sense of humor. You can't tell a joke without being called out as a bad guy. This is Chris Rock.

GUTFELD: Yes, yes.

WILLIAMS: My feeling is -- and I, too, I gave a speech the other day on a college campus, and I mentioned this -- micro-aggression, intersections of aggression.

GUILFOYLE: White privilege.

WILLIAMS: I'm like what is going on here, you know? Because to me it is so ridiculous. You know, Dana was talking about 50 years after Selma. Now you're talking about I didn't like the way you assumed there was white privilege involved. And I think this is a whole different level of deal here.

So what you get is lots of people, I think, saying, "I'm more a victim than you are."


WILLIAMS: Obviously, I'm better looking than Jesse. But you know, what a victim. Right? What a victim.

WATTERS: That girl was pretty. Maybe they didn't want her because she was good-looking.

WILLIAMS: Here we go.

GUILFOYLE: A mean girl situation.

WATTERS: The mean girls. That's what it was.


WILLIAMS: I do think a lot of this is these young people come into it, and they don't see the history, the horrible history. What they see is Israel and the Palestinians, as Dana was saying.

GUTFELD: Yes. Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: I don't know how we came, like, got to this in the world. Like honestly, I don't know why all of a sudden it is just so widely accepted to be so ignorant and disgusting with respect to the Jewish people. I don't understand. It's just sad to me that we're at this stage.

And the university is supposed to be America's best and brightest coming up. That's what's coming out of the universities today? It's a problem.

GUTFELD: I blame the Jews.

It's a joke, America.

PERINO: I blame global warming.

GUTFELD: I blame global warming, which is controlled by the Jews.

WILLIAMS: No, no, wait a minute. What about Obama?

Blame Obama.

GUTFELD: All right.

GUILFOYLE: Look at how happy you are. It feels good to say that, doesn't it?

WILLIAMS: Blame Obama! Get him out of here.

Here he is on the helicopter.

GUTFELD: All right. What a transition, with a unicorn no less. Next, the 50th anniversary of the march in Selma and race relations in America today.


WILLIAMS: This weekend marks the 50th anniversary of one of the key turning points of the American civil rights movement. On March 7, 1965, a clash took place between demonstrators and state troopers in Selma, Alabama, that helped usher in the Voting Rights Act. That day became known as bloody Sunday.

President Obama is heading to Selma tomorrow to commemorate the day. In an interview leading up to the visit, he said the work begun by activists five decades ag is still not complete. He referenced tensions in Ferguson.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think that there are circumstances in which trust between communities and law enforcement have broken down, and individuals or entire departments may not have the training or the accountability to make sure that they're protecting and serving all people and not just some.


WILLIAMS: Now Jesse, tomorrow the president is going, but also President George W. Bush is going. I think you have, like, 20 members of the Republican Congressional Caucus going, not the leadership that has been pointed out, you know, not Boehner and McConnell. But you have, it seems to me, a real effort here to make sure that everybody says this is an American moment. It's not to be isolated or pushed to the side, an American moment where you have people standing up for their voting rights and, you know what, make a sacrifice.

WATTERS: I think Boehner should go or at least some Republican leader should go. I don't know why they're not. Maybe Boehner is golfing or something like that. The president said something interesting there. He talks about, you know, there are discrimination issues in some of these police departments.

OK. Maybe he's right. I'm sure there's an issue in some places, but there's also some issues with black male teens getting high, robbing and disrespecting law enforcement.

If you're going to talk about Ferguson it's fair, if you're the president, to talk about both sides, but he didn't. And what did Eric Holder say the other day, he just said the "hands up, don't shoot" thing never happened. Never happened.


WATTERS: And a lot of people were hurt because of that. Ferguson burned because of it. NYPD...

WILLIAMS: I think there's a lot more.

WATTERS: ... officers were executed on the tailwind because of that, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Look, I think...

WATTERS: There are some points about Ferguson. You let the guy's body lay out there on the street. I understand that. But then an uncle of Michael Brown sat there and instigated a riot. So a lot of mistakes on both sides.

WILLIAMS: All right. So Dana, if you think about this going forward, now you have President Obama. I think he's down in South Carolina for, actually, the first time today, a state you love very much. And then off to Selma, Alabama.

The president is not usually a guy who stands up and talks about race or civil rights history, in my book. I mean, I'm sure Jesse will say he said this or that somebody didn't like. But in terms of civil rights history, I don't hear him much. Do you think he's in danger here of becoming "the black president," because he's standing in front of a black commemoration?

PERINO: Of course not. I think you said it right. It's an American moment. I loved rereading some of the history of it so I could remember and refresh my memory. Because I learned about this in junior high and then again in high school. We had to learn out.

When I found out that Congressman Lewis is actually the one who invited President Bush and Mrs. Laura Bush. And the president said, "Clear my schedule. I want to make sure that I'm going to be there."

So I don't think that anybody is at risk of doing anything but going and celebrating an important moment.

GUTFELD: How ironic, Juan, that this segment is in the back of the show. One of the solutions...


WILLIAMS: You mean like the back of the bus?

GUTFELD: One of the solutions when you're fighting the man is to become the man. And I think one of the great advances in integration is in law enforcement, if you look at the New York Police Department where the minority men and women in white -- whites, that makes a huge difference for the community and in policing and in crime reduction at large.

When President Obama said there was a break down between communities and law enforcement, that's a mistake, because both the community and law enforcement, they actually need each other; and they're one and the same. You can't blame one side, as Juan says.

What has broken down? What is the trust between the communities and the police department? What broke down was the family structure. And when a family structure breaks down, it creates a sinkhole in the communities, and the communities suffer.

And then what happens to law enforcement is they become truant officers and social workers, in which they don't want to go knock -- knock on people's doors, because there's conflict. These are exhausted. Many of these communities are exhausted, hard-pressed communities who need police, and the police need them. And I don't think it's good to politicize it. That's all.

WILLIAMS: Well, I do think you have to. But let me just say it pains me to tell you when you're right, but you're right.

Anyway, I want to talk to a law enforcement officer because you know what? There is a tradition -- there is a tradition in this country of law enforcement being used against the black community, really to, you know, in those days to oppress people and to deny them the right to vote.

GUILFOYLE: You know who was doing that? That was the Democratic Party in Alabama that had people...

WILLIAMS: That's a fact.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you for the question. That actually turned the protesters into being subjected to violence and beatings, also you know, how far we've come. We have the first black president of the United States. Ask yourself how race relations are in this country under this president.

A new poll shows four in ten people feel that they are worse off in terms of race relations since we've been under the tutelage of President Obama and Eric Holder. And you have situations like Ferguson where they did get involved right away. And did they help? It helped create the hysteria that resulted in loss of life, destruction of property, and loss of dignity of dialogue and discussion instead of elevating the country.

WILLIAMS: Well, let me -- we have to go, but let me rebut you and say quickly that I think when white people have to think about race they think race relations are worse. In fact, some of this has been ongoing.

Next on "The Five," which sex is more narcissistic? Oh, my God. Stay tuned. This is going to be an interesting one. I'm getting out of here.


WATTERS: We've all taken selfies. Some of us are probably guilty of looking in the mirror more than we should. But which one of the sexes is the most narcissistic? A new analysis of three decades worth of data has confirmed it's definitely men. The research shows men are more likely to exhibit entitlement than women, more likely to exploit others or feel entitled to certain privileges.

So I myself am a recovering narcissist. It's a struggle. I try to take things a day at a time.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

WATTERS: Greg, you know how it is. I've seen you at the meetings, right?

GUTFELD: Yes, yes. You know you're not supposed to out us. You know what's about this, interesting is when you get this topic sent to you by producers, it's under the heading, "Does this surprise anyone?" And then the next heading is "This surprises no one."

So imagine if you reversed this and you made it about women, a study concludes that women are more emotional or more likely to cry in a meeting and you said, "Does this surprise anyone? This should surprise no one." You would lose your job. I would be at HR right now, explaining why, "Oh, it was just a joke."

By the way, this kind of crap -- OK, first of all, what they're measuring, really, is a version of exhibitionism which is driven by a desire to attract mates. That's all this is. So I blame women. The other thing, too, is studies like this...

WILLIAMS: You blame women?

GUTFELD: This is self-perpetuating machinery. If you major in gender studies, then you have to publish reports on gender research; and it goes like this. And it produces nothing but garbage for talk shows.

WATTERS: Juan, have you ever taken a selfie? Yes or no?


WATTERS: No? A selfie, you know what that is, right?

WILLIAMS: Of course. I live with you. No, no.

But I must say that was interesting you blame women.

PERINO: I blame women, too.

GUILFOYLE: He's kidding around. It's an issue of natural selection. These are traits that men have selected over a period of time, right, because it shows that it boosts self-esteem and confidence. It leads to greater power, leadership goals, and larger financial income.

WILLIAMS: You really think so?

WATTERS: We're narcissists, and women are just vain.

GUILFOYLE: I'm not scared of a narcissistic man.

PERINO: I think that most women don't have enough confidence to be narcissistic.

WATTERS: Ah, poor...

GUTFELD: That's the explanation, so to speak. Yes.

WILLIAMS: I think it makes men look like jerks. That's what's the problem here.

GUTFELD: Way to score points, Juan.

WATTERS: Now everyone's going to love you.

WILLIAMS: Yes, like who? I'm a man. I'm a man.


WATTERS: All right. "One More Thing" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: Whatever you say.


PERINO: OK. It's time now for "One More Thing." Greg.

GUTFELD: Well, you know, hey...


GUTFELD: Secrets of Happiness with Greg Gutfeld.


GUTFELD: You know what? People have often called me a micro-pig. And if you're going to start a Friday and a weekend, why not micro-pigs eating apples, as seen here? I don't know if you get anything more adorable than a tiny pig eating an apple. And here's a fun fact. This is how you make apple-smoked bacon.

I kid! I kid!

GUILFOYLE: That is mean.

GUTFELD: I hope they've got a long life ahead of them, and then they will be delicious. Aren't they adorable?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. They are so tiny.

GUTFELD: That's a life-sized apple. I rode one of those in to work.

PERINO: Micro-pig. That's an interesting description for you.

GUTFELD: Thank you.

PERINO: OK, I'm next. In the lessons learned category tonight, you know when you're watching one of your favorite FOX shows, and they say, "I'm going to continue this interview online. Go to my Facebook page or the website," and if you're interested you should really do it. Because last night I was watching Megyn Kelly's show. She was interviewing Sheryl Sandberg (ph), chief operating officer of Facebook. I thought it was very interesting about work place, or women in the work place, very good and she said, "I'll have more later." And I found out she actually talked about my book. Take a look.

GUTFELD: Oh, wow.


MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Dana Perino has a book coming out here at FOX, and she writes in one of her pieces of advice -- I'll give you a little preview -- is she doesn't think that young women should be signing their e-mails with "xoxo." She discourages women from using a lot of exclamation points and smiley faces.

You ever sent an e-mail like that, a professional e-mail?

SHERYL SANDBERG, FACEBOOK COO: I think when I was in treasury, I literally wrote on my e-mails "smile, Sheryl." Remember, I was young. I was, like, like 20s early 30s.


PERINO: I love that. Lots more tips when the book comes out in April. So thanks to Megyn.

GUILFOYLE: Look at that yoga position.

PERINO: Yes. The lotus position.

GUTFELD: Sitting on a Triscuit.

PERINO: You're next, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: I thought it was a bottle cap. OK.

PERINO: You're next.

GUILFOYLE: It was a little joke.

All right. So "Wheel of Fortune," anybody into that?


GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, take a look at this, because I love Snow White, but -- and I got the dwarves down. Apparently, this young lady didn't.

GUTFELD: You've got it.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I would like to solve the puzzle.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dopey, Grumpy, Doc, Bashful, Happy, Sneaky and Sleepy.

SAJAK: I'm sorry. Jordan, it's your turn.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would like to solve.

SAJAK: Well, please, do it properly.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dopey, Grumpy, Doc, Bashful, Happy, Sneezy and Sleepy.



GUILFOYLE: All right. You're next.

WATTERS: OK. So a lot of people say going to church is pretty boring. You know, you sit there, you wait for the service to be over, not this church. Check it out.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You want something? Take it! You want it, you want it? Take it! You want it tonight? Take it! Take it! Take it! Take it! Take it!


WATTERS: Holy hand grenades. That's why black churches are so much more fun than white churches. Right? Right?

PERINO: Juan, you're next.

WILLIAMS: Very quickly, my son was doing a tour of the White House recently and, in the White House library, found a copy of a book I wrote 25 years ago. The book's been in print ever since. I'm very proud. But I was pretty much thrilled that Antonio could find that book. Eyes on the prize.

PERINO: How fun. I can't believe they let him in there.

I hope you have a great weekend, everyone. "Special Report" is next. We will see you next week.

GUILFOYLE: He planted a listening device, right?

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