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Will Jeb Bush's CPAC speech sway conservatives?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 27, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, Andrea Tantaros and Tom Shillue. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Day two at CPAC and a new batch of GOP stars. Unlikely, presidential contenders took to the stage.

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MARCO RUBIO, UNITED STATES SENATOR: Imagine if we had a commander in chief that understood that the way to defeat ISIS is not to find them a job. Imagine if we had president who doesn't travel the world bad mouthing America.

RICK PERRY, FORMER TEXAS GOVERNOR: We even survived Jimmy Carter.

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PERRY: We will survive the Obama years, too. There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be fixed with new leadership.

RAND PAUL, UNITED STATES SENATOR: We must rise and stand with our forefathers who stared down the king. We must rise as free men and women and reclaim our birth right. We must protect and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.

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GUILFOYLE: Rubio, Perry and Paul were followed by Republicans seeking to win over a lot of his critics within the party today. Here's Jeb Bush defending his stance earlier on immigration.

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SEAN HANNITY, HANNITY SHOW HOST: You said yeah, they broke the law. It's not a felony. It's an act of love. You also said that you support a pathway to citizenship.

JEB BUSH, FORMER FLORIDA GOVERNOR: The simple fact is there is no plan to deport 11 million people. We should give them a path to legal status where they work, where they don't receive government benefits.

(APPLAUSE)

BUSH: Where they don't break the law, where they learn English and where they make a contribution to our society.

HANNITY: Look, look --

BUSH: That's what we need to be focused on.

HANNITY: OK.

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GUILFOYLE: Bush also addressed his controversial position on Common Core education standards.

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HANNITY: Is Common Core a federal.

BUSH: Let me take --

HANNITY: To takeover?

BUSH: No.

HANNITY: It's not.

BUSH: And it shouldn't. And here's -- here's where I think Conservatives and myself. All of us are deeply concerned with this president and this Department of Education. There is a risk that they will intrude and they have as it relates to race to the top, that the role of the Federal Government if it's -- if there's any is to provide incentives for more school choice.

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GUILFOYLE: Sean Hannity interviewed Jeb at CPAC today, and joins us live in a little while. So stay tuned for that. It was exciting times, right? For the Republican Party if you watch enthusiasm, people with fresh ideas, whose gonna win the day? Bolling, any standouts so far?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I think Rand -- that was his audience. I mean, he had a lot of supporters there. He did very, very well. Marco Rubio did very well. Listen, I -- always have liked Rick Perry but, it just felt hard for me, it felt like he was just trying too hard. He did get through the three things, the points and the crowd erupted in applause -- that was kind of funny. Donald Trump, again --Donald love you but -- you know, are you not? You say you are 75 percent in, you need a 100. You are pregnant or you are not, Donald so -- wait to hear about that. And Jeb, again, not his crowd, answered Sean's questions pretty well, as best he could, but he is not going to win them over. He said something like, they started to boo him at one point and he said look, I'll take that as a maybe and if I can be your second choice, I'll take that as well.

GUILFOYLE: That's a good attitude.

BOLLING: Sure, sure.

GUILFOYLE: A little positive attitude always can.

BOLLING: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: Help to persuade along the way. What do you think Andrea?

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: I think he deserves some credit for showing up. I do. I mean, Jeb Bush knows that is not gonna be a friendly audience, but I do think he had some guts to get up there and argue his point. I think it's tough, because Common Core is such a complex issue and it's really hard for him to explain and it will probably be hard for him to explain during the debate. My two favorite standouts for Marco Rubio, I really think that he is -- he's gonna -- he's going to do a lot of really good things. Also, and I -- and I do cautious to look at the -- the ranking of the polls, because typically with CPAC, you see certain contenders do really well but then they don't go on to advance, as far as we thought that they would. Rubio is a standout, but also, I really, really liked Carly Fiorina and I have the chance to speak with her on-the-phone and interview her last Friday. She is impressive and I have been watching her since her days at Hewlett-Packard and she is really -- I think gonna bring a new energy on the GOP.

GUILFOYLE: Can I follow up on that with you?

TANTAROS: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: And some people were suggesting -- listen, wow. After hearing her speak and her vigor and not afraid to take some shots, that's the democratic favorite, Hillary Clinton, people talking about potential vice presidential choice.

TANTAROS: She would be an excellent pick. And I think that she could be the right woman who strikes the right tone.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

TANTAROS: And tenor, to go after Hillary and not in a way that Hillary could portray herself as a victim. I think Carly could do that, pitch perfect. I think it would be difficult for a man to do, because let's be honest, the Clinton's know, what they did with de Blasio, when they were running against each other, Clinton and de Blasio in New York. They try to say that he bullied her by marching beyond the podium and she played the victim, Juan remembered that moment very, very well.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: I do, I do.

TANTAROS: She is very good at playing the professional victim. Fiorina is very shrewd, and she would be the perfect attack dog I think, for could it in a very diplomatic way that Hillary couldn't -- you know, cry to town hall.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Might be -- a stroke of genius, what -- what stood out to you, Juan? What do you like?

WILLIAMS: Well I mean -- you know, what's interesting to me is, before Jeb Bush gets on stage, there is -- you know Rush Limbaugh yesterday was saying, "Oh basically, Obama and Jeb could share, hear the same world view, right? America is imperfect and needs to be fixed." And then you had Laura Ingraham before she gets on stage, or Ingraham gives a speech at CPAC right before the man speaks and she says, "Oh, Jeb and Hillary could be on the same ticket. You know, that basically Jeb is the guy that could explode the gender gap because his wife buys so much jewelry and" -- you know.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I don't know about that.

WILLIAMS: That was kind of like harsh and personal, I don't know.

GUILFOYLE: That was not fair --

WILLIAMS: But, what struck me was the difference in world view, given all that we are -- have been talking about which regard to ISIS and war against terror. Here you have the candidates on stage and you hear Rand Paul stand up and Rand Paul says, "You know what? There's too much intervention. We try -- we Conservatives know that government doesn't always work at home. Why do we think it's gonna work abroad?" And I think -- it's interesting and he gets loud applause. But you listen to -- not only Fiorina, you listen to Walker, you listen to Cruz, you -- these guys all come out and say, Obama is a big nut, because he is not taking ISIS seriously and we are not being more aggressive. It's a split, I think within the party over intervention.

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. Because --

TANTAROS: You're right.

GUILFOYLE: I think at -- at this -- this, this came off to me as somebody saying, hey, look, we all believe that we should be getting more involved versus sometimes the throttle back that we've seen in the past, much more aggressive rhetoric as it comes to foreign policy and national security.

TOM SHILLUE, CO-HOST: Yeah. OK, first of all, why vice president? Carly Fiorina is so impressive -- let's talk in president, she's fantastic and my wife loves her. I know she can create a lot of energy. I want to talk about Governor Bush though. You know Eric, you mentioned, he's not gonna win them over, but he knows that. Why was he hostile to the base when he launched this campaign? I feel like he -- why can't Republicans play to the base? It's called a base for a reason. You have to build the base before you get up on the podium. Romney had this problem, last time. I remember the last election, I said, why didn't he just go to one Tea Party rally, that's all you have to do. You don't even have to talk about policy, just go and say hey, I like you guys. And I think Governor Bush is going to be playing defense to this whole campaign, because he didn't address that.

BOLLING: Well, -- and he has to play defense because the base will never embrace Common Core. They just will not -- the Conservative right won't embrace Common Core and they have a hard time -- I don't know, embracing the immigration. He -- it's called immigration act of love, illegal immigration an act of love. And they have a very hard time getting pass that. Not to say that he won't win a nomination to be the Republican nominee, but why try even to do that. You look almost hypocritical by, by - -

SHILLUE: I think --

GUILFOYLE: Oh, just to disagree.

BOLLING: By playing --

GUILFOYLE: I think you got to show up. If you are president of the United States you even have to go where you are not popular.

BOLLING: So how do you --

GUILFOYLE: We don't have the House packed.

BOLLING: So how do you ensure --

GUILFOYLE: Obama goes where he has the House packed and he knows what he's gonna get.

WILLIAMS: So how do you ensure the Common Core? You spend the better part - - 15 years back in Common Core.

GUILFOYLE: You know what? I think he has to say his ideas are involving education. That he believes strongly in education that every child in this country should get the same benefit of a quality education and it shouldn't matter about what block your parents live on depending on.

BOLLING: No one's disputing that. GUILFOYLE: The public school that's in that area.

BOLLING: No, I don't think there is a Republican out there that would disagree with what you just said. What the difference is -- is the conservative right, the people who are against Common Core don't believe it should happen from the federal level down --

WILLIAMS: But it's not --

BOLLING: But it is.

WILLIAMS: But, but Eric --

BOLLING: The Common Core --

WILLIAMS: Common Core --

BOLLING: It's a national curriculum. WILLIAMS: But it's not -- I don't know where this -- I mean, I don't know how many times people have to say this. It's not a national federal program. Common Core came from the governors, people like Jeb Bush when he was governor of Florida. In fact, you have a -- lots of Republican governors who would have now say, oh, I didn't really mean it, because they're running like fear cats in the night. But they all embraced Common Core as a way to guarantee -- what Kimberly was talking about, which is good education for all children, no matter what your zip code.

GUILFOYLE: Choices --

WILLIAMS: No matter what your state.

BOLLING: Let's not confuse school choice with Common Core curriculum.

GUILFOYLE: No. But I'm talking about -- what I was speaking to specifically, with education and the whole fabric of it. It is a much larger issue than just Common Core. So if you just focus on that, you're focusing on one like pinprick of it versus education in this country and the United States of America, about being competitive against other countries.

TANTAROS: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: Where we are failing in math and science. What we need to increase literacy. They are talking about giving away -- you know, free junior college, well, guess what? I want someone that can read and write well in grade school. How about do that in elementary school.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Any indication that Common Core is enabling our children to become better students in math, science, reading or -- in English --

WILLIAMS: Yes, they are --

BOLLING: In writing.

WILLIAMS: What you see is you have to achieve a certain standard. Now, a lot of this gets caught up in people who are opposed to testing, people who feel who are gone overboard with that. But in general, the idea, Eric, has been that the states need to come together and say, we are accountable. We not gonna write off some kids.

GUILFOYLE: Education (ph)

WILLIAMS: And say some kids -- you know, they are not smart enough.

TANTAROS: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: They could never go anywhere -- going in anyway. You know, what President Bush used to call it was, you know the bigotry of low expectations.

BOLLING: Absolutely.

TANTAROS: Oh, I think could --

WILLIAMS: And that was very real. TANTAROS: I do think no child left behind has left a bad taste in the mouths of a lot of Conservatives, because they feel it was like no child left behind without federal money.

SHILLUE: Yeah.

TANTAROS: And it was too top down and too heavy. I've looked into Common Core. I mean, I could argue the negative things about it.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

TANTAROS: But to Kimberly's point, there are some benefits to Common Core that some of -- some of the curriculum is challenging to students and it is a unique way to look at it and make their learning stronger. There is -- there are some positive pieces. It's not completely bad.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, but you can build on it.

TANTAROS: But there are, believe me. There is a lot of bad to it. I --

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

TANTAROS: I would say that. We don't have enough time to discuss it, but I do want to get back to something that Juan said about the Republican Party being split on intervention. I think it's a very strong point that Rand Paul makes.

WILLIAMS: Yeah.

TANTAROS: I think it's another reason why he garners a lot of support it's because of the anti-democracy promotion nation building. Agenda that people saw with the Bush's even within the Republican Party and they do see a little bit of it Juan, with President Obama, when he talks about getting jobs and doing nation building in the Middle East and creating a jobs program over there. But, Kimberly, you are right again about -- about Jeb, showing up. I think it is really important.

GUILFOYLE: It's better though.

TANTAROS: He's better than Chris Christie.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

TANTAROS: Chris Christie has not handled the base here.

SHILLUE: No. Well, no.

TANTAROS: Point Tom.

TANTAROS: Very well with all he's hostile to them.

SHILLUE: Yeah.

TANTAROS: He doesn't even want to deal with the base. At least Jeb gives them some --

SHILLUE: He is. But he's on the defense.

TANTAROS: Some attention.

SHILLUE: I'd say -- I don't even think it has to do, Eric, with policy like Common Core. It's just the way that some of these kind of establish Republicans talk to the base. It was a problem with McCain and with Romney. They -- they're constantly trying to cozy up to people who aren't going to vote for them anyway. They are like nerds who are nervous around the cheerleaders. They are not going to date you anyway. They are like nerds who are nervous around the cheerleaders. Loosen up guys, they are not gonna take you anyway.

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WILLIAMS: You know, you know, that's a good point. But you know -- I think they do have to pick --

TANTAROS: Maybe the football players are all gone though and the girls need a date when the football players are gone and no one left -- guys standing there maybe --

WILLIAMS: So - say you got pitch. Make a pick.

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BOLLING: When the establishment Republicans stands up there and tries to appeal to the base, it falls flat for me. It's just look like --

GUILFOYLE: But guess what? I don't -- CPAC isn't gonna be the rise and fall of the next president of the United States.

TANTAROS: Correct.

GUILFOYLE: You have to get in there, you got to get after -- you act like you want the job.

WILLIAMS: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: So I'm looking at people there, I'm excited because I see people that want the job and Jeb Bush have been this small, you know, oh great another -- guess what? He looks like he wants the job.

WILLIAMS: A little fire in the gut (ph) GUILFOYLE: He was in shape, but he is out there --

WILLIAMS: Yeah, I like that but --

GUILFOYLE: It was like --

WILLIAMS: But let me just say, let me just make it one last --

BOLLING: It's like Huckabee, everyone was there. So everyone showed up.

WILLIAMS: Let me just make one last point before we go, which is --

GUILFOYLE: No. I'm not going to just showing up like --

WILLIAMS: I just want to say this --

GUILFOYLE: Put on your name tags and say, bring it in.

WILLIAMS: Scott Walker -- Scott Walker came in, we didn't mention Scott Walker here in this segment and yet -- he -- Scott Walker --

GUILFOYLE: Right.

WILLIAMS: I think Scott Walker is doing pretty well.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: Now, I must say that in CPAC, I was a little taken aback when he said, because he took on unions in Wisconsin --

BOLLING: He can handle ISIS.

WILLIAMS: He can take on ISIS. I was like, whoa, slow down. Hold that for it.

TANTAROS: I agree.

GUILFOYLE: No, come on --

TANTAROS: He needs --

GUILFOYLE: Diversity.

TANTAROS: He needs messaging help. Walker needs a really good messaging team to help him.

BOLLING: Calling (ph) on Obama --

TANTAROS: He is great.

BOLLING: Isn't that tough? GUILFOYLE: But Andrea, right? This is about why this process is important because you have to get out there and he is --

TANTAROS: Sure

GUILFOYLE: What I like too. It's like strip it down. Not everybody needs to be glued like face planted on the teleprompter. Can you speak extemporaneously.

TANTAROS: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: Can you hold your own in the middle of the debate or you gonna let Candy Crowley -- you know, back you into a corner?

TANTAROS: Exactly.

GUILFOYLE: No.

TANTAROS: Walker is very affected.

GUILFOYLE: This is about leadership.

TANTAROS: He's a dark horse, there's no doubt about that. He just --

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I mean this --

TANTAROS: And it's better that he stumble little bit now, than later.

WILLIAMS: Yeah. He's stumbling.

GUILFOYLE: Listen -- let the Republicans fight it out.

BOLLING: What do you call it?

GUILFOYLE: UFC cage fight style. We want a winner.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, that was a stumble.

BOLLING: You can't call that a stumble.

WILLIAMS: That was a stumble.

TANTAROS: That was a stumble.

WILLIAMS: I don't know how you --

BOLLING: Oh my, God.

WILLIAMS: Look --

BOLLING: That was a small, small, stumble.

WILLIAMS: Let us -- let us leave it to Tom.

GUILFOYLE: He's right, he's right --

WILLIAMS: Tom is that a stumble?

SHILLUE: I think it was a stumble.

WILLIAMS: Thank you, Tom.

GUILFOYLE: It's all right.

SHILLUE: Anytime you bring ISIS into it.

WILLIAMS: ISIS in union?

TANTAROS: Oh my, gosh. GUILFOYLE: Put an ace bandage on it, let's go, let's roll. When we come back, more with the man who conducted that interview with Jeb Bush at CPAC today along with other presidential contenders, Sean Hannity joins us next.

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TANTAROS: Back now to CPAC 2015 and we're joined by our own Sean Hannity who has been down in National Harbor, Maryland conducting interviews with a bunch of potential 2016 contenders. OK, so Sean, I've been in CPAC a number of times, I know you have too. Before we get into your big interview with Jeb bush, what are the people on the ground say? Because they are always seem to be buzz about certain candidates. Give us a back story, who are they fired up about?

HANNITY: You know, Andrea, it's really interesting because, as a Conservative -- it wasn't really a good time after Mitt Romney lost in 2012. One thing that is almost universal here is that every single person that I run into is pretty confident, that whoever wins the Republican nomination will be the next president. I mean, it's -- it's not talked about openly, there is a real feeling of confidence that Obama has so screwed up the economy, so weak on foreign affairs, that they feel is a big opportunity and it's interesting some people support different candidates to other people like me, I haven't made my mind yet. But the one thing that really stands out is a lot of happiness and joy. One other thing -- very little, this some of Obama bashing going on the stage, there's some Hillary shots that are taken on the stage. What's really interesting what people are talking about behind the scenes is, they're talking about -- all right, how do we get -- you know, 50 million people out of poverty, 50 million people off of food stamps. How do we get America back to work, energy independence, repealing, replacing healthcare, balancing budgets. Those are the things that people are really talking about. I went out to dinner last night and that was a big topic of conversation.

TANTAROS: Alright.

BOLLING: Hey Sean, it's Bolling. So -- we have been talking here what -- what 2016 will be about. Will it be about foreign policy? Will it about domestic economy jobs -- the middle class? What's the sense there? Where -- where are people headed? Where are the potential candidates headed? Which direction?

HANNITY: I can tell you the greatest applause lines were for solutions to problems that we're facing. These are real sense that America is in decline right now. That's the bad news. But there is also a sense that Conservatives will provide answers, you know there's -- there is some -- how do say it? (inaudible) there's some anger a little bit of frustration with Congress, there is a feeling that maybe they haven't been strong enough, there's a little too timid maybe. You know, we've saw what happened in the Senate today, on the issue of defunding the president's executive healthcare order. But putting that aside, I think the one thing they are saying is, OK, we have the answers. You know, balanced budgets, limited government, greater freedom, more responsibility, securing the border, all of these things are what they think of what is what gonna be a message that will resonates with voters, blue states, red states, middle America and win an election.

BOLLING: They're trying -- is it -- may follow up, no ISIS talk? No -- how we gonna defend ourselves overseas -- none of that?

HANNITY: Yeah, I missed that question, sorry. There is a lot of music playing in the background, I apologize.

BOLLING: I want to know if there is any talk about ISIS and defending ourselves overseas and how do we handle the terror threat?

HANNITY: There is almost of -- disbelief at how the president has dug himself in here. I got a chance to speak today, one of the points that I made was, all right, ISIS -- you know, the Jordanians lose one pilot and then less than 24 hours King Abdullah of Jordan, after the Jordanian pilot was -- was burned to death and the world saw that horror, he acted immediately and he opened up the gates to hell. Similarly, 21 (inaudible) Christians simultaneously beheaded and President Abdel Fattahel-Sisi of Egypt, he unleashed the military of the Egyptian army on Al -- on Al-Qaeda and compare that to President Obama, he sees the beheading of James Foley and gives a statement, and 30 seconds later -- three minutes later, he was on a golf course. So there is a sense that, this is a real threat and it's not just America, it's not just the Middle East, it's the entire world that there are radical Islamists. Newt Gingrich made a strong point that got a very strong reception. He was one of the early speakers today. He said, they have been at war with us meaning radical Islamist since 1979 and the Iranian hostage crisis and we had not been at war with them and anyone of one step further said, and they are winning that war. And, there is a sense that -- we need somebody's that gonna win this war and treat it as a war.

GUILFOYLE: Hey Sean, it's Kimberly. So America is crying out for leadership. I think that is very clear in this moment in time in history is one that hopefully, will be defined in a strong way with America taking the forefront again in terms of being a world power and a -- you know a leader that helps other countries in need, as well. What did you get the sense in terms of the crowd and the people you are talking to about any standouts thus far that they feel are embodying those qualities?

HANNITY: Yes, you know -- I don't want to get -- we have a straw poll by the end of the weekend and it's always had a big impact. I know Rand Paul was -- I think the last two years, I think Ted Cruz was a runner up last year, my memory serves me well. There is a big Rand Paul contingent here, always has been for Rand Paul's dad. I got a big reception, I went down the list of names of all of the candidates he got a big reception. Scott Walker got a very strong reception. Ted Cruz got a big reception. Interestingly, when I interviewed Jeb Bush for 25 minutes on the main stage today, when I spoke at 11 o'clock, I didn't interview him until the 2 o'clock hour. When I mentioned Jeb Bush's name, it was almost universal boo. But, when he came out and he started answering my questions and I -- I spent a good nine minutes just on immigration because it is so important to the Conservative movement, I was surprised how the room in three hours had shifted rather dramatically. And I think he did a good job of winning over the crowd and giving answers, some didn't like the answers, there was one moment he got booed in the interview with me, we gonna air it tonight. But, it was -- it was very interesting people wanted to hear from the candidates. I got -- I got the suspicion K.G., that -- that a lot of people like me and having not made up their mind.

WILLIAMS: Hey Sean, it's Juan, how are you? Let me ask you, how are tall are you?

HANNITY: How are you Juan? Alright, here it -- here it comes, it's Juan Williams.

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: How tall - how tall are you?

HANNITY: You ask what I thought what to say to --

WILLIAMS: How tall --

(CROSSTALK) WILLIAMS: You don't have to be a candidate. How tall are you?

HANNITY: I'm almost 6'1".

WILLIAMS: Well, I mean --

HANNITY: I know, I look small compared to Jeb Bush.

WILLIAMS: Because I, looking at you out there with -- with the governor, and the governor is towering over you. I'm saying what's going on here.

HANNITY: What do you want?

WILLIAMS: I don't know. Anyway -- anyway.

HANNITY: I'm over 6 feet tall.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But let me ask you - let me ask you, I see the governor out there and I'm thinking.

HANNITY: You know --

WILLIAMS: They are battling --

HANNITY: Would you like him for --

WILLIAMS: There's -- hang on, hang on.

HANNITY: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: They are battling for the establishment for on so (ph). He goes after Chris Christie and says, hey, my state, Florida, when I was governor we had a triple A, whatever bond rating, hey, I didn't see that for Chris Christie. Did you take that as a shot and establishment fight?

HANNITY: You know, you can read into it anything you want, but there is certainly a battle in the more Tea Party conservative wing, just like you have your battles in the Democratic Party, Juan. And there is certainly more establishment wing.

WILLIAMS: Yeah.

HANNITY: But I was a little disappointed with Chris Christie. Chris Christie, of all the candidates here, he was the only one that didn't -- didn't refused to do an interview with me, we have requested well over -- you know, a number of weeks back and all through last week. And I -- I think the toughest question he has to answer is that the state of New Jersey since he has been governor has been downgraded eight times. That's a lot of downgrades.

WILLIAMS: Well, that's what - that's what I was talking about.

HANITY: You know what it came about.

WILLIAMS: So here's the other thing that I want to ask you.

HANNITY: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: You had Trump on stage. And Trump says -- you now, Eric Holder says, your (inaudible) years -- not (inaudible) you're running, you're not running, is this a charade? Is he there for ratings? Is he there for his books and TV appearances?

HANNITY: I will tell you that his team around him, over inside, I asked them on stage, he said 75 percent to 80 percent, his team telling me privately, he is in. He has hired people, as we know, that was reported this week on the ground in Iowa and some of this early states. They are telling me behind the scenes that Trump is in, he wants to shake things up, he think s he gonna add to the debate and more importantly, they believe and he is saying he thinks he can win. I think he can have a very interesting role in this, because I think he's gonna have a lot of toughness, bold, politically incorrect speech to a presidential campaign. And the -- from our advantage point, I think that is all good for everybody.

SHILLUE: Sean, Tom Shillue, a poor man's Greg Gutfeld. Mother Jones is --

(LAUGHTER)

SHILLUE: They're -- they called you not --

HANNITY: Tom, we are friend too.

SHILLUE: Sean, they trying to generate some controversy. They didn't like your x-ray vision jokes. Should they lighten up?

HANNITY: Alright, all right. I was been telling this joke.

(LAUGHTER)

HANNITY: Let me give you the -- let me give you the bottom line here. So, in the world of Obama seven years into his presidency, everything is George W. Bush's fault. (inaudible) by these things, if you are feeling sad, it is Bush's fault. He drinks too much, you have a headache then I say, it's not Jack Daniels fault, your fault, it's Bush's fault. And then I say, oh, women, I can see, you don't even know it, some of you are pregnant, it's not your fault, crowd laughs. It's not his fault, crowd laughs. Guess whose fault is it? And then, this is the end of the GOP, They say George W. Bush, then I go into my Clinton impression and I say, actually Hannity, I can't blame Bush for that, it's probably my fault and it gets -- usually gets a good laugh.

SHILLUE: I got it Sean.

(CROSSTALK)

SHILLUE: Mother Jones has not sense of humor.

TANTAROS: Alright Sean, I would tell you not to quit your day job and stick with --

(LAUGHTER)

HANNITY: Nice K.G.

TANTAROS: Instead of comedy.

HANNITY: Nice K.G.

TANTAROS: No, this is Andrea, this is Tantaros.

(LAUGHTER)

HANNITY: Oh, sorry Andrea.

TANTAROS: And you know I love you --

HANNITY: Sorry.

TANTAROS: And by the way, Sean, I'm surprised people haven't tried to draft you because walking in with you at some of these events, this Conservatives event is like walking in with Mick Jagger. Women are fainting, people are passing out -- you are like a rock star. And so I'm sure they are trying to draft you for president but, we're not gonna let you go here.

HANNITY: You know what --

TANTAROS: At the Fox News Channel.

HANNITY: I got to tell you something Andrea, because I -- we have been friends.

TANTAROS: We got to go - OK, yes.

HANNITY: You are young conservative -- and I got to tell you there a lot of young people in this audience which gives me hope for the future but -- I love you guys, you guys are the best.

TANTAROS: We love you too. Thanks so much, Sean.

HANNITY: Goodnight guys.

TANTAROS: And make sure to catch the exclusive interview with Jeb tonight on Hannity at 10:00 p.m. Eastern and up next on The Five, he can't get your guns, so baby he's coming for your bullets, President Obama's ammunition ambition, straight ahead.

GUILFOYLE: Got to love it.

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BOLLING: In America we have the right to bear arms. President Obama himself has even acknowledged that.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The Second Amendment in this country is part of our Constitution. And the president of the United States is bound by our Constitution. So I believe in the Second Amendment. It does provide for Americans the right to bear arms for their protection, for their safety, for hunting, for a wide range of uses.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Well, that was then. But now he's seeking to impose gun control on the nation with a ban on the most popular ammunition for the most popular rifle in America, the AR-15. He tried to ban the rifle itself but failed, so now his ATF is planning to restrict the 5.56-millimeter bullet that goes inside of it. Andrea, you ban the bullet, you ban the gun.

TANTAROS: That's right. It would be akin to back in the day if you wanted to stop freedom of the press, you didn't like what they're printing, banning ink. You just can't do that.

What's he going to do next? If he tries to stop people from driving, what, ban tires? Eric, you and I both know you cannot undermine the Bill of Rights via executive order. And that's exactly what he's trying to do. He's trying to get the executive order to do this, because he knows he can't get it done through Congress. He can't do this. Period, end story.

BOLLING: K.G. ...

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: ... rather than executive order -- it would probably create such an uproar -- he's going to go through the ATF, much like when he uses the EPA to get his carbon regulations through.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. This is all about him. He's like, "Here you go. This is what I'm going to do: everything I feel like doing, whether you like it or not, whether it's legal or not. Deal with the mess with hashtag #2016."

I mean, and now there's some handguns that are capable of firing the same ammunition the AR-15 uses, as well. So this is just -- I don't know. I don't know why he's doing this. It's very personal, and it feels like an infringement on the Second Amendment.

BOLLING: But why is he doing it? Why?

WILLIAMS: I'll tell you why. Police forces around the country have asked that something be done about these armor-piercing bullets. These -- these are bullets that kill police officers, kill law enforcement around the country, kill Secret Service, kill FBI agents. You know, they say this is a danger to them. Now what you have here is...

TANTAROS: These are hunting bullets, Juan.

WILLIAMS: These are green tips that are made not only with lead but with steel, Andrea. These are armor-piercing bullets.

But also -- and don't forget the NRA -- you know, it's been two years since the Sandy Hook or whatever, and he -- the president failed in the Congress; there's no doubt about that. But it's under Congress's law, he has the ability -- and ATF is doing this, not the administration so far -- to say this bullet is a threat to law enforcement.

BOLLING: But this also happens to be a bullet that a lot of hunters use. It's a gun that a lot of hunters use. Target shooters use it, as well. Ban the bullet, ban the AR-15.

SHILLUE: I know why he's doing it.

BOLLING: It's what he wants to do.

SHILLUE: He doesn't want to win this fight. He just wants to have the fight. President Obama is our first troll president. Do I have to explain what that means?

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

SHILLUE: To viewers at home, a troll is someone who is purposefully incendiary on the Internet to try to get a reaction.

This kind of thing is right up his alley. He loves fighting with the right. He raises money off it. He gets attention. This is what he wants, not results. He doesn't want results any more. He wants to attempt to do something, get thwarted, and then blame Republicans.

GUILFOYLE: You know what people use this for? OK? The reason why it has a light green tip is it pierces targets for people who do target shooting. That's why. So it can go through and you see it pierce through the back. It's not for people running around shooting on the street.

BOLLING: We really have to leave it there. They're wrapping me.

I wrote a piece on this. It's on FOXNews.com. You can go there, check it out. Second Amendment, the most important amendment because it protects the First Amendment.

Ahead, llamas brought the Internet together yesterday; but a dress tore it apart. We're going to weigh in on the great debate of Dressgate 2015, next.

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SHILLUE: It's the most talked about dress since Monica Lewinsky's. Hers was definitely blue, or was it white and gold? If you don't know what I'm talking about, you haven't used the Internet in 24 hours.

A color war has broken out across the world over the pigment of this dress that a Scottish woman posted a picture of on Tumblr after her friends debated its color.

GUILFOYLE: OK. I thought the dress was going to talk.

SHILLUE: I want to tell you, I see -- first I saw gold and white. Now I see blue. It's changing, and it can go back and forth. Juan, isn't this what the Internet is all about?

GUILFOYLE: There are three colors there.

SHILLUE: I love this story.

WILLIAMS: Yes. I think it came straight from Nigeria, this scam.

I mean, I don't get it.

GUILFOYLE: Now you've done it.

WILLIAMS: I was saying I see blue. I see black. I don't get it. And now look at the screen. They've got all different -- so it's in the shadows, not in the shadows.

WILLIAMS: Let's poll, though. You see blue and black? Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: I see -- I see three different. The white and gold. I see the blue and black.

SHILLUE: The one on the left do you see gold and white? Eric.

BOLLING: I absolutely see only gold and white on the one on the left.

SHILLUE: There you go.

WILLIAMS: You said on the left?

SHILLUE: Andrea, what do you see? Just look at the one on the left. That's the only valid one.

TANTAROS: The one on the left, the very far left, is gold and white.

SHILLUE: I see -- they're all blue to me. You've got to understand: all of those are blue to my eye.

BOLLING: That's amazing. Are you lying?

SHILLUE: I'm not kidding. And all of them were gold.

GUILFOYLE: What color is that? What color is that right now?

SHILLUE: Blue. Blue and black.

GUILFOYLE: No, it's not. I'm so sorry.

BOLLING: And it's blue and black. Just pretend it's blue and black.

SHILLUE: This is it. This shows you why we have a divided country. Doesn't it, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: No. I just think only anybody who sees it as gold and white can stay...

SHILLUE: You are like my wife, intolerant of people who see the blue dress.

GUILFOYLE: I don't pick just certain colors out of the crayon box. They can all stay.

WILLIAMS: When they showed the last one on the left, that was yellow and white. Gold and white. Gold and white.

SHILLUE: Does anybody see blue and black?

BOLLING: Are you left-handed?

TANTAROS: Gold and white.

SHILLUE: I'm right-handed.

GUILFOYLE: Do you see gold and white, too, in that shot?

WILLIAMS: Absolutely.

SHILLUE: What you have to understand...

GUILFOYLE: I see gold and white.

SHILLUE: ... it's an optical illusion. And you can change it. I want the viewers at home to know if they only see -- if they only see gold and white, you can change it to blue by staring at the black part of the dress and picture it...

GUILFOYLE: How can we stare at the black part when it only looks like gold and white?

SHILLUE: You're right. You're right. See, I can't even see it. Stare at...

GUILFOYLE: Is this a common core education.

TANTAROS: Tom Shillue, are you high? Are you stoned?

SHILLUE: It's very unlikely.

WILLIAMS: Oh, my gosh.

SHILLUE: Andrea, couldn't this dress be great for "Outnumbered"? Because then, if the lady next to you is wearing something clashing, it can go either way.

GUILFOYLE: I love it. The color wheel. Oh, my God.

BOLLING: How is it possible this is the first time this has happened?

WILLIAMS: Really. That's what I'm saying. I think this is a scam, man. They're saying your brain interprets it differently. It could be the cone in your eye, the way it's fixed. I just think this is a joke.

SHILLUE: It is an optical illusion. And I want to show -- I'm going to tell the viewers at home, stare at the gold part of the dress. If you're only seeing gold and white, look at the gold point and you want to picture brown. And if you can picture it as brown the dress slowly starts to turn blue, and it will never go back.

GUILFOYLE: That didn't happen for me, so...

SHILLUE: Give it some time. I love this story. People are making fun of it.

GUILFOYLE: I can tell.

SHILLUE: I think it is very significant. Come on, Eric. Can't we make this into a right/left thing somehow?

BOLLING: I think someone is going to really do an analytic on that, on you know, when you really sit down...

GUILFOYLE: Dr. Siegel (ph) was just on about it.

TANTAROS: Is this a bigger story than the llama drama from yesterday? Or the one-legged dog that befriends a chicken?

TANTAROS: This is bigger and better than the llama. You have my word. This is not going away.

Coming up, the world's top investor reveals some unusual secrets to his success. Warren Buffett's diet plan next.

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WILLIAMS: At 84 years old, multi-billionaire Warren Buffett is showing no signs of slowing down. What keeps the world's top investor at the top of his game to be able to crank out all that cash? A high-sugar, high-salt diet.

Buffett revealed he has the appetite of a 6-year-old and drinks at least five cans of Coke a day, likes to have them with potato sticks; and for breakfast -- oh, my gosh -- a bowl of chocolate chip ice cream. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. What do you say, K.G.?

GUILFOYLE: I'm six. Six years old. I mean, I like it, too. I mean, I might swap out the Coke for a Diet Coke maybe, but I'm feeling all of it. I don't know why we don't have more delicious snacks here. I think anything in moderation. I'm not talking about being a junk pile. I'm saying...

WILLIAMS: Let me say, if he had a mom like every other 6-year-old, well, then the mom would say, "You can't have ice cream for breakfast. That's not right." He says the doctor tells him this is not right.

BOLLING: Yes. I'm making noises because he likes Coke, because he owns $16 billion worth of Coke stock. He likes ice cream, because he owns an ice cream company. And he likes chips.

GUILFOYLE: Follow the money.

BOLLING: He doesn't probably eat ice cream and Coke. He's just selling his product.

TANTAROS: I thought it was Utz.

GUILFOYLE: I'm going to tell him they're really good.

SHILLUE: They're great potato sticks, too.

WILLIAMS: They're great.

SHILLUE: But why are we taking...

GUILFOYLE: They're like French fries.

SHILLUE: I mean, it doesn't look like he can run any decathlons. I mean, he's not -- he doesn't look like a master athlete. I'm not sure if we should be following his diet advice.

TANTAROS: If I had his dough I would be eating that, too.

WILLIAMS: All right, all right. Let's go around the table. You know, his favorite restaurant is a rib restaurant. That's what he likes to eat in Omaha.

Tom Shillue, what's your favorite snack food?

SHILLUE: I don't eat snacks. I'm the opposite of him. I don't have a 6- year-old's diet. Ever since I was a teenager, I've had an old man's diet. And I drink black coffee until 2 p.m. I have a sandwich, and then I fast until dinner, late at night. At 9 or 10 I have a big dinner. That's the secret.

WILLIAMS: That's the secret, because look at you, Slim Jim. All right.

TANTAROS: I wouldn't waste my calories on those particular snacks. I would use them.

WILLIAMS: That's what they say. They say that sugary drinks are wasted calories.

TANTAROS: Yes. No, I wouldn't waste the calories on a Coke.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, but you wouldn't think that.

WILLIAMS: So what's your favorite?

TANTAROS: I don't know. I would waste them on something else.

WILLIAMS: Well, you grew up in a restaurant.

TANTAROS: I don't know. Mashed potatoes, baked potatoes, sour cream, actual French fries instead of potato sticks.

WILLIAMS: All right. We've got a real man here.

BOLLING: So this is, in our house...

WILLIAMS: This is Mr. Testosterone.

GUILFOYLE: You haven't met Mr. T? The "T" stands for tan and testosterone.

WILLIAMS: Yes, really.

BOLLING: We don't do anything except water and plain club soda in our house for drinks, or soft drinks. We don't do any of that. There's very little of this stuff going on. My son likes the ice cream, so we do that.

WILLIAMS: You don't have a snack ever?

BOLLING: Like Tom, I drink coffee until about 1 or 2 in the afternoon.

SHILLUE: Real men.

TANTAROS: It's like the dress thing. Juan doesn't see blue or black. He sees a real man, and he doesn't see a real man.

GUILFOYLE: I like Pringles, though. Pringles and...

BOLLING: Pringles are...

GUILFOYLE: ... Doritos and Lay's potato chips.

WILLIAMS: He was making it so -- Buffett was making it -- what I eat? I like potato chips, barbecue potato. And I love Coke.

GUILFOYLE: You do. You and I always eat the leftover Stossel snacks.

WILLIAMS: I do. I love Cokes. I got to tell you. I'm a big fan. And Cherry Cokes. Oh, my God.

WILLIAMS: you like chicken wings.

GUILFOYLE: And you like Dr. Pepper, Bolling. You're so full of it. You always drink Dr. Pepper.

BOLLING: I remember -- I remember Juan -- didn't Juan go to that one chicken wing place down in Tampa? What was it called?

WILLIAMS: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: Deja vu.

WILLIAMS: What's going on here? Oh, my gosh.

SHILLUE: It's Hooters.

BOLLING: It's Hooters.

TANTAROS: Some white meat, lots of sides. Lots of legs, thighs, breasts.

WILLIAMS: What can you do? Hey, hey, hey!

But Mr. Buffett never said he does not eat vegetables. What about your favorite?

GUILFOYLE: Actually, I love broccoli, and I love green salads.

WILLIAMS: Wow.

GUILFOYLE: Is corn still a vegetable? I love that.

WILLIAMS: Well, I don't know. "One More Thing" coming right up.

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GUILFOYLE: Hey, there, it's time now for "One More Thing." Eric, what do you have?

BOLLING: OK. So we did a show on Saturday morning at 11:30 called "Cashin' In." Three weeks ago we launched this hashtag, #WakeUpAmerica. Take a look at this graph right here right now. It was virtually dormant until three weeks ago. There it is: it spikes at 26,000 mentions on that Saturday. Every Saturday it spikes.

But what's happened now is since then is that it's become a go-to conservative hashtag. So TCOT is top conservatives on Twitter. Hashtag #WakeUpAmerica is becoming the same type of thing. Even when we're not on, it's one of the top hashtags in all of Twitter. Tomorrow morning we'll see Juan on "Cashin' In" with us.

GUILFOYLE: Basically you're a winner in life. I mean, I like that. OK.

WILLIAMS: All right.

GUILFOYLE: Go ahead.

WILLIAMS: So if you remember Rob Ford, the former Toronto mayor, and you had an affection for him when he was going through all his troubles, smoking crack and the like, now you can bid on the tie he was wearing when he confessed to using crack. Apparently $9,000 already, $9,900, and he's also put up used print pants. Print pants. Look at these. As of 4 p.m. today, the bid on the pants is $535. So all you Rob Ford fans, get going.

TANTAROS: Wow.

GUILFOYLE: Like, yes.

WILLIAMS: So much for your dress, Tom.

SHILLUE: I don't want the tie he was wearing when he confessed. I want the tie he was wearing when he was doing the crack.

WILLIAMS: You want that tie? And by the way, Tom, what color were those pants?

GUILFOYLE: I'm trying.

TANTAROS: That would be $536, K.G. The new bid.

WILLIAMS: Oh, my gosh. Thank you. What we've always wanted.

TANTAROS: So I'm a hopeless romantic. This story just warmed my heart.

OK, get this. Floyd and Violet Hartwig -- Floyd was 90; Violet was 89 -- were childhood sweethearts who remained inseparable right until the last moments they spent together. A real-life "Notebook." They passed away holding hands within hours of each other just yesterday.

He used to write her letters when he was in the service and everything. They had three little kids who grew up. And Donna, Kenneth and Carol, their children, said as soon as their mom started to become ill, they decided to have their father admitted to the same hospice, because they knew that he'd want to be with her. And then they passed without hours of each other, holding hands.

It is a beautiful love story. It is, and it's the love that everyone should wish for.

GUILFOYLE: OK. I love it. I saw that today. It's a very sweet story.

OK. So tonight I'm excited to be accepting the Frances Pope Memorial Foundation inaugural Heritage of Hope Award. This is for my dedication improving the lives of children. This is a tremendous organization, so I'm really honored to be there and to be able to introduce a special little man tonight, Sean McCormick, who battled back against cancer, lymphoma. And he's great. He was here yesterday watching "The Five."

And also Mario Dowd and my good friend Joe Coffee (ph), Kim and Tim Delany will also be getting an award tonight. And we'll all be there. So keep that in your hearts and prayers.

BOLLING: Get some pictures for Monday.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Absolutely.

BOLLING: Good job.

GUILFOYLE: Tommy.

SHILLUE: OK. Most viewers know at this time that Leonard Nimoy died at age 83. I just want to give my personal toast to him and a shout out to not only Leonard Nimoy but Spock, the man who taught me how to play three- dimensional chess.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LEONARD NIMOY, ACTOR: I'll have your check mate at your next move.

WILLIAM SHATNER, ACTOR: Have I ever mentioned you play a very irritating game of chess, Mr. Spock?

NIMOY: Irritating? Ah, yes. One of your Earth emotions.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: Very funny.

SHILLUE: Leonard Nimoy, dead at 83. He was -- he is always known as Spock, the man with no emotions, but somehow he spoke to my heart.

GUILFOYLE: And that's it for us. Have a great weekend, everyone. "Special Report" is next.

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