Will CPAC produce Republican frontrunner for 2016?

Carson, Christie, Cruz make case for possible presidential runs


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 26, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City, we are already having fun. This is "The Five" -- I don't know what I said, it's 5 o'clock.

The biggest conservative gathering of the year, CPAC, kicked off as Washington today with appearances by some of the biggest names in the mix for 2016.


BEN CARSON, RETIRED NEUROSURGEON: I'm ready for a country that puts our constitution on the top shelf.


CARSON: Every part of it. I'm ready for leadership on the world's stage. Not just sitting around and waiting to see what other people do.

CHRIS CHRISTIE, NEW JERSEY GOVERNOR: I decide to run. Let me tell you one thing, I will run a hard fighting campaign, while I will fight for the hardworking taxpayers of this country, and I'll take my chances on me. I have done pretty well so far.

TED CRUZ, UNITED STATES SENATOR: Well, we all know that in a campaign, every candidate comes up and tells you, "I'm the most Conservative guy that ever lived." Actions speak far, far louder than words. We need to look -- to people who walk the walk and don't just talk the talk.


PERINO: Scott Walker has just taken the stage and tomorrow, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul and others, will join the stage. Will any of them are merged from the three-day event as a frontrunner for the GOP nomination contest? Of course that's unlikely, but it isn't an important day and Greg, you've been saying for a while that the Republicans have to find a way to appeal to people on a different level, not just to Conservatives, but a broader thing. This one is for Conservatives. Do you think they're at least even going to connect with them?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Oh yes, definitely. My problem is I don't like conferences in general. I like horror movies, but I wouldn't go to a horror film conference, because I prefer my zombies from far away. Any kind of ideology kind of creep me out a little. The thing with CPAC is and it doesn't cure sickness in three days, it's a circus -- in a way, for the Conservative animal, the Conservative leader to perform its most popular tricks. If it say the things that get the most applause, but it doesn't necessarily challenge a candidate. It indulges the weaknesses of a candidate who likes to repeat the same old chest nuts. I think you cannot be Conservative enough, that's why I -- you know, I have a problem with Teddy Cruz. You need to be intellectually agile, you need charming and strategic. It just can't be about being a Conservative. You've got to look at President Obama as an example of somebody who was not just a progressive, but also charismatic and smart. And you got to have all that together, it's not enough. I look at -- we used to make fun of Chris Matthews because, he got that thrill up his leg. I -- I was jealous, because I want to feel something about someone. I want to look and go, wow -- I want one goose bump, just one goose bump. And I want to listen to somebody that whether it's Ben Carson or Scott Walker and go, wow, this guy means something to me.


GUTFELD: So I be -- that's how -- Chris Matthews -- I was jealous.

GUILFOYLE: Well, you kind of like Scott Walker. GUTFELD: I do, I do.

GUILFOYLE: Ben Carson, right?

GUTFELD: I like the fact that he doesn't wear his jacket, takes it off.

PERINO: That's a good one. Now Eric, we are glad that you are here with us today, but I know that in your heart, you would much rather be --

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I want to be here.

PERINO: Down at National Harbor.

BOLLING: Yeah, I would love to -- to go there. I can't figure out why I'm not there in fact.


BOLLING: So it's all goes down for Conservatives.

PERINO: I'm trying to help you for next year.

BOLLING: Well -- talk to the second floor. That's where that stopped. So --

GUILFOYLE: Just got electrocuted.

BOLLING: The thing for --


BOLLING: The thing for -- the people at CPAC is to either protect what you have, gain ground or just get the heck out of dodge with your hat. So, what the most to gain -- I would probably say Scott Walker because, he's got this whole momentum going, got this whole -- you know, great in poll numbers, people are loving what he is saying, but will he resonate with the Conservative group and if he does, that's really, really gonna push him forward for the next few months. Anything can happen after the conference, obviously. Most to lose? Rand Paul. He's won in the strong poll twice in a row, he's got a huge following down there, they're expecting a lot from him, we have to bring some ideas and hopefully he does that and continues his -- you know, push that he has got going on. And just get out of the dodge with your hat, Jeb -- Jeb Bush. I mean, because, there's a very, very right wing Conservative proud who have a lot of issues with Jeb and all -- my guess is he's gonna stay -- you know, kind of nothing controversial. I would really doubt that he's gonna push him to the Conservative areas that there's a people have a problem with, common core, immigration, couple of the other things that he's had --

PERINO: He might not have a choice, because he's doing a Q&A for his speech.

GUILFOYLE: With John Kennedy.

BOLLING: And that's the interesting thing about this year's CPAC is the Q&A session that goes on after. How he handles that? That'll be very, very telling how -- how he's gonna be able to handle it going forward.

PERINO: Does it matter Juan, that there are some people who aren't going? So one of them is Mike Huckabee, former governor Huckabee, who is -- he won't be at CPAC, but he is going to be addressing the National Religious Broadcasters meeting, which arguably, might be a great place for him to be.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: It's terrific, I mean, because he's appealing to the event evangelical base in the party. But remember, he didn't do well there, last year -- last time around.


WILLIAMS: So I think he may have made a strategic decision that it's just not to his advantage. I disagree with Eric. I don't think this is the most Conservative Republicans running around. I think this tends to be a little bit younger, more libertarian crowd, which is why Rand Paul has done so well in the past. And I think, also, it's in Washington.

BOLLING: Is that are -- are those mutually exclusive?

WILLIAMS: No, but I think it would --

BOLLING: On the Conservative.

WILLIAMS: They are Conservatives, they are Libertarian. They're younger and as you know what it is though, there's a lot of talk radio folks there. And so that fits the model you are talking about, I think where there's a desire for that red meat. Remember last time Romney said, "I'm severely Conservative young people." And I think that -- you know, I think that said to everybody, huh, maybe he's not that Conservative.

PERINO: Yeah. And we have to -- we have to put a adverb on it --

GUILFOYLE: Ted Cruz said that he is the most Conservative guy that ever lived, which will be interesting --

PERINO: Or adjective, I should say.

GUILFOYLE: He gets anywhere and then they replay that over 1,000 times to frighten people.

PERINO: Kimberly, what are you looking for -- or are you looking for anything out of this?

GUILFOYLE: I'm looking for it all, Dana.



GUILFOYLE: And I believe it's out there. So, CPAC --

PERINO: Can any man at this conference, or woman -- we're gonna get to Carly Fiorina in a minute, can they --

GUILFOYLE: I like her.

PERINO: Yeah, are you excited about the race?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, for sure. I love Ben Carson -- see there he is right there. This is just serendipitous. So there's Ben Carson, I think he's fantastic. He is bold, fresh ideas for America. I love his background, his story, his enthusiasm, his intellect, and yes, his surgical skills. I mean, what's not to like about him, and yes, Carly Fiorina -- amazing. In terms of a -- a woman candidate, that's somebody I can sink -- you know, my teeth into.

PERINO: Do you actually getting a little bit of attention to, to announced a new PAC and we have a sound bite from her, Carly.


CARLY FIORINA, FORMER HEWLETT-PACKARD CHIEF EXECUTIVE: She tweets about women's right in this country and takes money from governments that deny women the most basic human rights.


FIORINA: She tweets about equal pay for women but will not answer basic questions about her own office's bay standards and neither will our president.


FIORINA: Hillary may like hashtags, but she does not know what leadership means.


PERINO: So Greg, this is Carly Fiorina who ran for Senate in California, she did not -- was not successful win that contest, but she's been on the stump before.


PERINO: Something else that she does it, maybe Romney did not do enough, because she's willing to throw a punch.

GUTFELD: Yeah, she's got some -- she's got some good lines and they are funny and they are clever. And they work perfect on Fox News, they work perfect on television.

GUILFOYLE: Did you write them?

GUTFELD: But that's not enough. It goes back to my point, you shouldn't toy with us. The public isn't a closetful of stuffed animals that you put a show on for, because you're looking for applause or you're looking for a talk show or you're looking for attention. Children pretend. At this point, for 2016, after six years and then eight years of what we've experienced, we need adults. We need adults who can unify this country, who are just about -- you know, maybe getting a book deal, or getting a show. Don't waste our time. We don't need a carnival of barkers. We need an inspirational figure.

WILLIAMS: Wait a second. Are you attacking Donald Trump on this show?


WILLIAMS: But why?

GUTFELD: I like -- I like -- no, because I -- I love the Donald, but -- you know, I -- I need to believe that that's somebody who is talking about running is taking it seriously.

WILLIAMS: Well, he would seem to me, you know, to be the quintessential guy who is doing it for all the reasons.

GUTFELD: Oh, it just right.

WILLIAMS: You just said I'm serious.

GUTFELD: There's more than him.


GUTFELD: There's more than him.

PERINO: But you're not saying that about Carly Fiorina? Just to be clear.

GUTFELD: I don't know. Yes, maybe.

PERINO: Really?

GUILFOYLE: I think she is serious about it. What -- what is she -- she's not --

WILLIAMS: No, she's serious about vice president.

GUILFOYLE: She's not hungry for a job. I think she's very committed and develop (ph) it. PERINO: Why can't a woman be serious about being president?

WILLIAMS: She can be. But --

PERINO: I can't believe you are attacking women on this show.

GUILFOYLE: What's wrong with you, Juan?

PERINO: I'm kidding.

WILLIAMS: If I would attack you, Peter would be after me. But I'm saying, you know who -- if you look at the numbers.

GUILFOYLE: That's the first.

WILLIAMS: You think so? Oh my, gosh, I have to worry. Look, but I'm saying, if you look at the numbers, she is just not there.

PERINO: I see.

WILLIAMS: On the top tier right now.

PERINO: I know. Let me ask you about Chris Christie, because over the past couple of weeks, there's been some articles, one in The New York Times in particular that said, some of his initial round of support and some of the money behind Chris Christie had sort of been, sort of backing away. But this is his chance at CPAC to try to regain some momentum. What do you think?

BOLLING: He hasn't had a very good time at CPAC. Remember he wasn't invited a couple years ago. He came back and then recently, with a couple weeks ago, with the old -- with the whole -- the shots, the inaugurations --

PERINO: The vaccines issues.

BOLLING: Vaccine issues. He -- I don't know what he is doing, he's trying to regain his footing, but he said Bridgegate, the vaccine issues. I guess he's just trying to stay relevant until he can find something he can sink his teeth into. He doesn't seem like as Greg points out, one that has a real shot at winning at this point.

PERINO: But Kimberly, not an easy interview. So he's -- he's not just giving a speech where he might - you know, be booed or something like that or risk not being invited. He sat down with Laura Ingraham, which is kind of tough.

GUILFOYLE: I like it. But you have to put it out there, I mean, you want people to be inspired by you, you have to separate yourself and the rest of the group. So, sit down, take the interview, show you can handle it and let us hear true passion of what you actually stand for. This is I think a very important conference, especially at this moment in time and where the party is, to see if somebody is gonna emerge as sort of the shining star, the one to look for. So, if I -- if I was them, I would be well prepared and you know, leave nothing behind, put it all out on the table.

WILLIAMS: So I thought that today, in fact, in order to do just what you're talking about, he had to go after Jeb Bush, because they are battling for the establishment mantel, right? But he didn't do that.

PERINO: You know who was the big star this morning on CPAC, Juan?


PERINO: It wasn't a presidential candidate, it was Raffi Williams.


PERINO: Your son, he ran a panel and a discussion about the millennial vote.

WILLIAMS: Which is critical, I mean --

PERINO: Absolutely.

WILLIAMS: Yes. So -- yes --

PERINO: Thank goodness you raised such a great, young Conservative.

WILLIAMS: Alright.

GUILFOYLE: We're so happy for his help.

PERINO: So grateful.

GUTFELD: You know, the one thing that you brought up Ben Carson, who I think is one of the more intriguing and intelligent and just a real -- he's real achiever. He is somebody who has done something about with his life. He is like an old-school politician and that he had a real life before he became a politician.

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: But -- he lacks the inspirational voice, and maybe that's what makes him great, he is not a phony, but I want him to be a little bit phony-- I want him to do exude emotion.

PERINO: You mean like -- because he is very even.

GUILFOYLE: He's tone or center (ph) GUTFELD: He's very even.

PERINO: OK. GUTFELD: And he's right, but he is so even and I want him to --

GUILFOYLE: That's why he's a great surgeon.

PERINO: It worries me about Ben Carson is when people say I love his story.


PERINO: But the -- I don't know, I love his story too, but we loved another story in America in 2008 and look how that turned out.


GUILFOYLE: Well, that was a little bit of a manufactured.

PERINO: And you've never run. Let's be honest.

PERINO: That if you've never run --

GUILFOYLE: Let's be honest.

PERINO: That if you've never run for a big political office to do president as your first one.

GUILFOYLE: I used should may (ph)

PERINO: I think it is a very high bar.

GUILFOYLE: But you know what? This is a guy who has a tremendous amount of life experience and a common sense understanding. I don't see anything about him to me that doesn't come off as very genuine and authentic.

PERINO: I agree. But it does --

GUILFOYLE: And loving about the country to be.

PERINO: Does he -- does anything about him saying that he can run the country?

GUILFOYLE: I -- well, you know what, a community organizer won.

BOLLING: You know --

PERINO: That's what I -- that's my point.

BOLLING: It really knocks against Scott Walker is that he has no foreign policy experience whatsoever, or ideas that are out there. They're starting to develop them right now, but Ben Carson doesn't either. So ignored, probably did President Obama maybe --

PERINO: Most people did.

GUTFELD: He could say --

PERINO: Nobody really has foreign policy experience until they sit down in the oval office.

GUTFELD: Ben Carson can say, I separated those twins and now I'm gonna unite this country.

WILLIAMS: You know what was on everything on the foreign --

GUILFOYLE: My, gosh, if you could write for him.

WILLIAMS: On the foreign policy front, the person that spoke to it today was Carly Fiorina.


WILLIAMS: And you know, and -- she was saying that she was distinguishing herself from Hillary, which is very interesting. Nobody else, today at least, went after the Democrats, went after Hillary Clinton.


WILLIAMS: She did. I'm not persuaded that she said Hillary is accomplished, I think Hillary knows nothing. But it did say to me that going into this cycle, it's going to be valuable to say, I know how to run government. I know how to maneuver in Washington in a way.

GUILFOYLE: Mismanagement there.

WILLIAMS: The fresh base thing may not be what we are looking for here.

PERINO: And Carly Fiorina can read a crowd, right? So she --


PERINO: She was a crowd pleaser and she got several standing ovations.


PERINO: So that something.

GUTFELDS: But again, the crowd is not helpful. You need to be -- you need to go out among the general population and charm them, if you're surrounded by like-minded people, it doesn't challenge.

PERINO: Well, you kind to precept to start. You have to some building blocks to build a foundation.

GUTFELD: I know. What else am I gonna say?

PERINO: I don't know but I got to go --

BOLLING: Can I throw one more thing -- PERINO: You get the last word.

BOLLING: That she spent over $100 million in a Senate campaign.

PERINO: And it's just amazing.

BOLLING: $100 million.

PERINO: That she was successful enough business woman. That she was able to self under campaign.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, good.

PERINO: First woman to do so in America.


PERINO: How about that, Eric?

BOLLING: You're on the positive side though --

PERINO: How about that?

GUILFOYLE: And she created jobs, because somebody received that $100 million. I like it.

WILLIAMS: Yeah. And let me just say --

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, winner.

WILLIAMS: Let me just say -- you know Greg, I must say -- you know, sometimes when I look at you, I feel that thrill up my leg.


WILLIAMS: You could be president.

GUTFELD: My hands are long.


PERINO: Coming up ahead, new revelations about funds.


PERINO: The Clinton foundation received, while Hillary was secretary of state. Could it impact for a likely run for the White House? Up next, have ISIS executioner known as Jihadi John been identified. Stay tuned, we have that next.


GUTFELD: Jihadi John, the ghoul from the ISIS videos, with no job list tool, after all, but from a well-to-do family who graduated with a computer degree. Mohammed Emwazi, clearly an Irish scientologist, had a breezy upbringing prior to cutting off the heads of captives. Now, remember when spokesperson Marie Harf said that if they were more jobs, we'd have terror? She's not wrong, I mean, Mo only had a degree in computer, it's not like that expertise is in demand these days. So, when the normal turned evil, what's the why? You could think religion, which provides one with purpose, but come on, there is no catholic ISIS. Let's be honest, ISIS offers thrills. You, charging across a desert, gun in hand, full of zeal and certainty, facing infidels, plundering homes. When death is a step to nirvana, what's the downside? So, the issue is our counteroffer. It's hard to champion a free society when own our leaders in media find it gross, heartfelt patriotism, the belief that this place is worth dying for is now seem to silly, an option for the ignorant. Our military now fights propaganda from the cynical country that it defends. So when a leader explains the roots of terror, remember, it's what we no longer root for, the root cause is our absent will, when fighting is viewed with ridicule. Be all that you can be, that used to be a rallying cry for the army, now it's American Idol. So here -- here you have, Juan, it's a pattern. These terror leaders are actually educated some -- educated westerners who aren't broke.

WILLIAMS: Not at all.

GUTFELD: What does that mean?

WILLIAMS: What it means is we're up against a terrible ideology. I mean, most of these guys and I -- I was struck by reading about Jihadi John today that, not only that he grow up and go to -- get a western style education, but the influence (ph) was there and then apparently he was on his way to Tanzania and get stuff and then he doesn't like it. We don't know exactly what happened what --


WILLIAMS: Was the triggering event in his life. But this is the guy who -- it seems like -- you know, you could have as a friend. I mean, he was just a westerner, basically. He's not -- he doesn't fit the model that you would draw in your mind of who one of these guys is coming from some poor --


WILLIAMS: You know --

GUTFELD: All the 9/11. All the 9/11 hijackers were --


GUTFELD: It's all that the same -- which bring racist a question, Eric. Why does the White House persist in portraying them in -- as part of the larger victimhood? It's never really their fault.

BOLLING: Actually. (ph)


BOLLING: It's actually battling with goes on, what the -- what the Intel department -- people in the Intel are telling us versus with the White House is saying about them. My curiosity, now that that Jihadi John is -- is identified as Mohammed Emwazi, he still gonna do the videos? Is he still gonna do the videos without his mask? And taken one step further, I've seen every single one of you, beheading videos and burning videos, they all have mask on, will they now? Why do they wear masks, if they're doing this in the name of Allah, why would they be embarrassed to show their face?

PERINO: I think, I think --

WILLIAMS: You think they are trying to (inaudible)

PERINO: It has to do with propaganda.


PERINO: And has to do with recruiting, because it gets stock up (ph) thing of what you said, but it gives you excitement, and you get to be a part of something.

GUTFELD: Do it in riots in America, guys were dressed up, you know --

BOLLING: But they are afraid of getting caught, right?

GUTFELD: Yeah, yeah.

BOLLING: I don't want to be prosecuted and they won't -- don't want to go to jail.

PERINO: Right.

BOLLING: These guys -- if they are doing in the name of Allah, and they are looking for their martyrdom and the 72 virgins, take the mask off, let's see who you guys are, and then see what happens. By the way, K.G. during one of the breaks said, hey, expect a drone strike on your -- you know what, any time soon, Jihadi John. That's why they don't take the mask off.

WILLIAMS: I don't know. I think it might be scary. I think it's part of their social media thing.

PERINO: Yeah, just to scare them.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, you dress up, and you got the whole regalia, they put the folks in the orange outfits now, they put them in cages -- I think they're trying to -- basically, not only scare but recruit.

GUTFELD: Dan, aren't we all wear masks?

WILLIAMS: You know --

GUTFELD: Let me -- I want --

PERINO: I'm as transparent as you get.

GUTFELD: Yeah. I - we become -- my theory is that we have become so preoccupied with identity in our country, that we forgotten unity. Everybody is -- everybody is more interested in who they are and not what they stand for.

PERINO: I agree.

GUTFELD: That makes sense?

PERINO: Yes, sure. I think so, and I think that there's new ways of communicating and avoiding other people, right? So that you can like, pretend like nothing is happening. But interesting thing is, across the country, there are people -- young people that are yearning to study Middle Eastern studies. Like that, they declare a major and everybody is trying to study this, because we care enough to try and try to help.


PERINO: And improve the situation. And my last thing on this is the chart that they showed today about foreign fighters that are coming over. An interesting thing is to look at Malaysia. It has the highest number of Muslims, but the lowest number of foreign fighters. So why is that?

GUILFOYLE: What is (ph)

PERINO: What is happening in Malaysia that is -- that is going right, that we should try to emulate other places, and I hope someone said, it's enough, it just noticed that.

BOLLING: The training at home.

GUTFELD: Yes, yes.

BOLLING: You got to travel -- to be Jihadists.

GUILFOYLE: You know what I find to be most troubling is that this administration and liberals that continue to put for they are purveyors of a false narrative, and shame on them, because they know that what they say is not true. By trying to say that it isn't about jobs, about economic status, about lack of opportunity that these people are frustrated and somehow, American exceptionalism and free markets and capitalism and the western way of life is to blame for it, could not be further from the truth.

WILLIAMS: I don't think that's true. I think there's a lot of resentment and, I think there are a lot of people who are losers, just to be quite blunt about it.

GUILFOYLE: This is just --

WILLIAMS: Who somehow take identity --

GUILFOYLE: A bunch of losers.

WILLIAMS: From joining --

GUILFOYLE: Who are walking around, these are evil jihadists that want to destroy everybody at this table and our way of life.

WILLIAMS: Believe me, I agree with you.

GUILFOYLE: Can't minimize it.

WILLIAMS: These are not -- these are people who I think are lost souls in so many instances.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, gosh.

WILLIAMS: Like they join -- why is that? Why you do?

GUILFOYLE: Because that sounds like you want to hug them or something?

WILLIAMS: No, I don't want to hug them. I want to stop them. I want to figure out just like everybody else.

GUILFOYLE: Lost souls?

WILLIAMS: They are. I think these folks have no sense of what it is they are doing. They might want to caliphate, if you say them, let's have a caliphate, OK, they get some cause now. But I really don't think they are that smart. I really don't.

GUILFOYLE: Alright, I mean I don't have enough time to take what?

GUTFELD: That's 5:24.


GUILFOYLE: 25 minutes, that takes six minutes.

GUTFELD: And 11 second.

GUILFOYLE: And to address all of that.

GUTFELD: Well, we've been let's just move on, shall we?


GUTFELD: We'll talk about it later, over drinks, my place, 9 o'clock.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, right.

GUTFELD: Did Hillary Clinton violate a deal she made with the White House while secretary of state by accepting foreign donations to her foundation? Next.


GUILFOYLE: Well, the trouble continues to brew in Hillary land. The Clinton foundation has now admitted and accepted millions in donations from foreign countries while Hillary was secretary of state. Now, one of those contributions came from the Algerian government, which was actively lobbying the State Department, a direct violation of her ethics agreement with the Obama administration. Now, while the fund days previously admitted to receiving foreign funds, this is the first revelation that it did so while Hillary served as America's top diplomat. So, how much does this damage her brand ahead of a potential White House run? That is the question, Juanito.

WILLIAMS: I don't understand why she let this hang. I mean, she should get rid of this, quickly.

GUILFOYLE: Does it your favorite subject?

WILLIAMS: I don't know what my favorite subject is. It's kind of difficult to understand how she can be so politically deaf. Because she should either give the money back, say, I'm not taking any more should -- they got to stop the bleeding, because she's getting hurt on this one. And she's getting hurt, not so much from the right but from the left, because people are saying, for example, she took money from the folks who were pumping the Keystone pipeline. So for Democrats, for the environmentalists, it's like, why did you take money from them? Obviously, they want access. They're buying access for the next president, and then of course, the foreign government thing, to have that much money.

GUILFOYLE: Influence peddling.

WILLIAMS: Well, influence peddling is exactly right. So I think this is a losing hand for Hillary Clinton. Why's she -- why's she letting them win.

GUILFOYLE: Enough to make people question her, you know, choice and viability and suitability to have -- to be the nominee.

BOLLING: Can I answer Juan's question?

GUILFOYLE: You can answer both in whatever order you like.

BOLLING: She's doing it because she's greedy. They are -- the Clintons are greedy. They want the biggest pile of money that they can put together going into the election. I mean, otherwise, there is no reason.

By the way, giving the money back just doesn't feel right. You get caught doing something wrong: "Oh, I'm going to make it better, as long as I can give the money back." That doesn't seem right.

You did say an ethics agreement with the Obama administration, didn't you?

GUILFOYLE: That's...

BOLLING: What does that mean?

GUILFOYLE: Is that make believe?

BOLLING: Look, I don't know the legality of it. I'm not sure. That's your world. I will tell you, the common sense or the smell test, it just doesn't make common sense, and it certainly doesn't pass the smell test that a foreign government could donate to a candidacy of a -- upcoming candidacy of a president, whether it's then or now.

GUILFOYLE: Let alone secretary of state.

BOLLING: Then or now. Or secretary of state, even better, which is when the donation happened.

GUILFOYLE: Wow. Talk about a very specific job. It is the top diplomatic job, the one that deals directly with all the heads of state. So I mean, come on. Could it be more inappropriate? Are they that worried about being broke that they'll just go, OK?

PERINO: I think Eric is right. It does seem in all of these stories that they are obsessed with money. Remember, when her book comes out, the first thing she said to explain why she's taking 500 grand a speech from Wall Street, is because she was dead broke when they left the White House. That turns out to be something that she wishes she hadn't said.

The other thing is that the Clinton found days has an extremely high burn rate. Meaning that it costs a lot of money to run that organization. So they -- we're taking a lot of money.

I don't know if the money goes to great causes or what they say that it does. It makes it hard, then, to say that they should give the money back. But they are scrambling. And I think that if they just had a principle, if they could stick to a principle that we are not going to take money from foreign governments while we are in a position of influence, they wouldn't run into this problem. They don't have the principle.

GUILFOYLE: But you know what? Is it going to be exposed, Greg? Do you think the media is going to continue to shield Hillary because they have the ultimate long-lasting thrill for her? Thrill for Hill?

GUTFELD: I know. I think they're going to protect her. I mean, she's sketchier than a courtroom artist. Her dealings are shadier than the redwood forest. I don't have any more.

I've got nothing against her making money if she was everyone else making money. But I'm kind of with you, Dana, on this thing. I don't think -- we should look at what the Clinton Foundation does. Because I'm sure that there has to be some good work in there that they do. I know that they get HIV medications out to people; they help African farmers.

But the other hand, they deal with carbon offsets. You pay and they plant a tree somewhere, which I'm not OK with, because as you know, I hate trees. There are too many of them.

I'm joking. I like trees. But of course, they're shady.

BOLLING: Can I make one quick point?


BOLLING: This whole "I didn't know" or "we didn't know" line is total B.S. When someone hands you a check for $500,000, and it comes from a foreign government, whoever is accepting that check has to know that that check probably shouldn't go into the fund. They're going to have to find some way.

GUTFELD: That's what I don't get, is this a foundation or a candidacy?

BOLLING: Right. It was a foundation. And now they're using it as the same shell for the candidacy. They mixed funds. You can't do that on Wall Street.


BOLLING: You can't use investor money to go speculate with.

PERINO: Remember, the question...

BOLLING: You shouldn't be able to do it on -- on politics.

PERINO: ... questions about foreign money influencing the Clintons' politics has come up before...


PERINO: ... in several different elections. This is something that I don't -- I do think that the media will continue to follow it, because how do we know about this story? The mainstream media is the one who brought it to us.

WILLIAMS: Yes, Wall Street Journal. Wall Street Journal, but then followed by the Washington Post, which is the latest revelation.

PERINO: Correct.

WILLIAMS: But I will say I don't think...

GUILFOYLE: That's the print media. But, you know, TV was just like, "OK, we've covered it." "CBS This Morning gave it 32 seconds, and it was not on ABC, "Good Morning, America" or "Today Show."

WILLIAMS: Well, you know, I think everybody is waiting for the quid pro quo. The minute that you can say she did "X" or gave a meeting to somebody while she was secretary of state because of this.

But I don't think that you're right, Eric. I don't think that they're mixing money in her political campaign from the foundation.

BOLLING: But they -- no, they used the same shell. They hired the same people from the foundation to come to her candidacy.

WILLIAMS: That's different than saying that they're mixing the money, that they're using the foreign...

GUILFOYLE: Commingling funds.

WILLIAMS: ... money to fund her campaign.

PERINO: Splitting hairs.

BOLLING: It would be very interesting if someone, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, go find out if there's anything...

GUILFOYLE: Elizabeth Warren.

BOLLING: ... that jumped the wall, before the wall went up (ph).

WILLIAMS: Conservative fantasies here.


GUILFOYLE: OK. Next with up on "Fantasy Island," should colleges be trying to recruit athletes when they're in elementary school? A warning from papa LeBron James to back off his 10-year-old son. What, he's probably, like, 6'5".

Plus, Madonna's scary fall off the stage at an awards show. Coming up, "The Fastest Seven."


BOLLING: Welcome back. Time for...



GRAPHIC: Fastest 7


BOLLING: ... the "Fastest Seven" minutes on television. Three suasive stories, seven swift minutes, one swank host or something.



BOLLING: Fifty-six-year-old pop star, Madonna, was singing for the Brit Awards 2015 when she had a slight wardrobe malfunction. But being the true professional that she is, the Material Girl kept singing through the flubbed element.




BOLLING: Kept it going. Kept it going, K.G.

GUILFOYLE: What a pro. I love it. That's what happens, right, in life?

BOLLING: Stuff happens.

GUILFOYLE: You get down, you get right back up. Like, yes, "What's happening? I don't know. I'm singing." This is amazing.

GUILFOYLE: Thoughts?

GUTFELD: Dancing is hard work. As you know, I dance downtown. Kimberly, there is no cover. And I don't mean change.

GUILFOYLE: There you go.

BOLLING: Dana, give her props for continuing the song, right?

PERINO: Of course. I almost fell the other day in the subway. I almost fell. And I wasn't even in, like, I was just in front of, like, regular people, not on international television. I admire her. Anybody can fall.

Remember when Bob Dole fell off the stage in a campaign? I mean, it was terrible. It's dangerous.

GUILFOYLE: On this one before we move on?

WILLIAMS: You know, I was taken by what she had -- the men had on some kind of matador outfits with horn, the horn hooks the cape, Armani cape.

GUTFELD: It's called a Gutfeld.

WILLIAMS: It's called a Gutfeld?


WILLIAMS: What does that mean?

GUTFELD: Well, that's what the outfit's called.

WILLIAMS: When you're dressed like a bull...

GUTFELD: When you have a horn on your head and a cape.

WILLIAMS: Wait a minute. I can't get into that.

Anyway, so the other day -- the other day, I was going down the steps of my house, and it turns out it was covered in ice. And I went flying. So the thing about -- I didn't get hurt, but I was, like, totally -- I was like, "What just happened?"

BOLLING: Did anyone see you?


BOLLING: And laugh...

WILLIAMS: In fact, I had to go ring the bell to get my wife to come.

BOLLING: All right. This is a little ridiculous, but I can't say I blame him. Basketball scouts are already stalking LeBron James' son. Did I mention little LeBron Jr. is only 10 years old?

King James not so thrilled, saying, quote, "Yes, he's already got offers from colleges. It's pretty crazy. It should be a violation. You shouldn't be recruiting 10-year-old kids."

I'll start with you, my basketball-loving friend. Ten too young?

WILLIAMS: Yes. It's way too young. And this extends to football.

My son was a very good hockey player, on national and all that. And it's the other -- it's the youth teams, the travel teams that start putting pressure, and they're calling you. And, you know, they want you to think you're great because your son's great.

In fact, they are exploiting these kids. I see this a lot in the black community, in the basketball stuff. The AAU thing, the coaches, the offers, the money. It's a cesspool.

BOLLING: If it were -- I don't know -- the debate team or forensics team, would it be OK?

PERINO: I mean, this is just so out of anything that I'm used to. I think probably wrong for a 10-year-old, I think another way you could look at it take it as a major compliment. And he's got a great dad who's protecting him from any sort of untoward behavior.


GUTFELD: A, this is what we call a humble brag. Please stop offering my son scholarships because he's so awesome. So, enough of that.

And also, 10 years old, he's too old. He should have been -- they should have been in the delivery room with the contracts ready.

BOLLING: Infantry.

GUILFOYLE: Get the jump on it, right?

GUTFELD: Get the jump.

GUILFOYLE: And also a great coach. I mean, if you look, he's got skills. This is what's happening. He's probably going to play professional basketball, unless a great baseball player, too, football, which I wouldn't be surprised.

BOLLING: There are a lot of athletes whose sons grow up to be fantastic athletes. I don't really have a problem with this one too much.

WILLIAMS: I know, but the problem is the money. This is all about money. This is not about...

BOLLING: No, they're just recruiting for a school. They're not...

WILLIAMS: Yes. What do you think -- you don't think college coaches...

BOLLING: No, no, no, I get you. They want -- they want LeBron's kid at their high school, at their college. I get it.

All right. Finally, I saw a trend called new cool new FOX show. It's called -- it's about a guy somehow ends up being the last man on earth. Watch.


WILL FORTE, ACTOR/COMEDIAN: You want a whisky, Gary? Whisky? You sure? How about you, Jimmy? No? OK, well, does anyone want a whisky? Huh? Greg? Kevin? Anton? No? Really? Nobody? OK. Well, more for me. Jerry, now, you look like you lost a little weight. What are you, exercising, skipping carbs? Well, whatever you're doing, keep it up. OK. Sharesies.


BOLLING: All right. So that got me thinking, would I want to be the last man on earth? And what about my co-hosts? Would they want to be the last person in the world? Let's bring it around. Greg.

GUTFELD: Well, A, I'm not saying this. Last man, kind of sexist. But if I were the last man earth, you know what I would do? I would start a show on FNC called "The One."

GUTFELD: That's not out there?

GUILFOYLE: Not this?

PERINO: That's on at 8 p.m.



PERINO: Would I be the last man on earth? No.

BOLLING: Person.

PERINO: The thing is, like, if you're the last person on earth, that means something very catastrophic and horrible has happened. And I don't want to be there. I don't want to be the last person.

BOLLING: What would do you? Where would you go?

WILLIAMS: Well, he went to Tucson.

GUILFOYLE: You would go to Del Frisco's.

BOLLING: No. I would head right -- right for Miami.

GUILFOYLE: And you'd be the last one there.

BOLLING: It's all right. I'd have to be the last person.

GUTFELD: Dana would go to the petting zoo. "Nobody's in line!"

GUILFOYLE: I thought you meant for "The Five."

WILLIAMS: You know, when I heard about this, I thought he was like the last man and, like, all the women were still around, which would be a pretty good deal. But it turns out, there's nobody else around. Right?

GUTFELD: That movie's been made. It's called "A Boy and His Dog" with Don Johnson. It's one of his first movies. He is in a -- one of the only guys alive, and he has to basically redo society. And he thinks it's going to be -- he thinks it's going to be great, but it's not.

WILLIAMS: Wait. Do society?

GUTFELD: "A Boy and His Dog."

GUILFOYLE: I would not want to be. Un-unh. That means everybody I love would be gone.

BOLLING: But what would you do? You know? I think, really, that's why -- that's the success of, like, "The Walking Dead." Post-apocalyptic...

GUILFOYLE: You like the zombies.

BOLLING: ... how would you handle it? Would you be able to survive? Would you be able to survive?

GUILFOYLE: If it was me and a bunch of zombies?

BOLLING: No, just you.

GUILFOYLE: Killed them all. Exhausting.

BOLLING: Just you.

GUILFOYLE: What am I going to do?


GUTFELD: Anything. That's what you do. You start trying to remember all the stuff that's been invented.

GUILFOYLE: Like Post-Its. Patent.

GUTFELD: And try to figure out if you can do it. "Can I make a car?"

BOLLING: Do you remember the...

WILLIAMS: Remember this guy?

BOLLING: ... do you remember, it was one of the best "Twilight Zone" episodes ever.

GUILFOYLE: It's "I Am Legend."

BOLLING: When a guy only wanted to have time to read. He was always busy. Finally, there's an apocalypse, and he has time to read. And he has all the books. He got them all stacked together, and then he dropped his glasses and they broke.

WILLIAMS: Oh, no. But this guy -- this guy collects stuff. He like uses the Constitution. He has the Constitution. He has Michael Jordan's jersey.

And by the way, if you were the last person I hope you would try to procreate.

GUTFELD: All right. We've got...

WILLIAMS: We need to get you -- we need to get you to the clinics.

BOLLING: The last person.

GUILFOYLE: What is going on? What, I've got to make a person (ph)?

BOLLING: The weed war in Washington, D.C. Some members of Congress warn the city's mayor she should -- could -- sorry, could go to jail for letting recreational pot become legal at midnight last night. Ahead.


WILLIAMS: Recreational pot is now legal in the nation's capital. D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser let the voter-approved law take effect at midnight despite warnings from some Republicans in Congress that it violates federal law.

So this is the first jurisdiction east of the Mississippi, Eric. It's a little different, because you can't sell or buy pot in the District of Columbia, but you can have it at home. You can grow it at home, in limited amounts. What do you think?

BOLLING: Well, it's no different than what's going on in Colorado and Washington state, where they voted to legalize, not just decriminalize it, legalize it, yet the federal law still says it is illegal. So Colorado is OK with it. Washington state is OK with it. I guess D.C. will be OK with it.

It would be best if we just said "Just legalize it." I mean, what are we doing here? Let's go ahead and legalize it.

My question is 21 years old, is it time to make it 18? Maybe the drinking age and legalizing marijuana age should be 18. If our young people can go over there and die for the country, take a bullet, they should be able to have a beer, if they want to, and buy them some marijuana.

WILLIAMS: Dana, you are -- you don't look pleased?

PERINO: Well, I think that Eric will be great at CPAC next year, because if he's got, he'll have the young vote. They'll say, yes, you're absolutely right.

But Eric is exactly right: technically, it is against the law. The Republicans aren't saying, "We want to be mean and bad to you, and we want to be conservative and against you." It is technically against the law, and Colorado and Washington state have been trying to deal with the Justice Department, as well as neighboring states to try to figure the problem out.

WILLIAMS: Kimberly, Alaska?

GUILFOYLE: I'm -- well, OK. I'm not for legalization of marijuana anywhere.

WILLIAMS: What about medical marijuana?

GUILFOYLE: Medical marijuana is for a specific, lawful purpose.

WILLIAMS: But they've got, I think, 23 or -- more than 20 states now, you can get medical marijuana.

GUTFELD: We know what medical marijuana is? It's a Trojan horse for recreational marijuana. It does help people with specific problems, but everybody knows the joke about the medical marijuana card that says, "I've got a stress issue."

But the fact is what drives me nuts about this, because I'm for decriminalization, is how we're embracing pot while clamping down on e- cigarettes, which actually gets people to quit smoking and reduce their risks for all sorts of cancers that kill them. E-cigarettes are actually saving lives, and we've got politicians trying to ban that while embracing marijuana. It seems to me like a strange hypocrisy.

PERINO: Yes, it's now illegal -- it's more illegal to smoke a cigarette than it is to have marijuana in Washington, D.C.

GUILFOYLE: There you go.

PERINO: You get a fine if you're smoking a cigarette outside.

WILLIAMS: I'm not sure about that one.

OK. "One More Thing," up next.

GUILFOYLE: You have not a prescription (ph).


PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing." And on this day in history, President Calvin Coolidge dedicated acreage in the Grand Tetons for a national park, and it's very beautiful. And it got me to thinking that, in all of this cold weather, as a family, as you sit down tonight, you might start thinking about your summer vacations. And I have to highly recommend either the Grand Teton National Park or any of our national parks. There are great resources at, the And you can plan an entire vacation and maybe make a goal of it to visit all the national parks in your life. It's something that I would like to do.

GUTFELD: Wow. That was lovely.

GUILFOYLE: That was a total Dana "One More Thing."

PERINO: I know. As I'm reading it, I'm like, "Could this 'One More Thing' be any more like me?"

GUILFOYLE: You're the spokesperson for the parks now.

PERINO: OK. Eric, you're next.

BOLLING: Agree with you, the national parks system is amazing.

GUTFELD: I hate them!

BOLLING: No, no, really.

Anyway, it's also 22 years ago today, 1993, World Trade Center bombing, where al Qaeda drove vans filled with explosives into the parking garage underneath the World Trade Center that detonated. Six people died, 1,000 were injured.

I was in the building at the time. There were seven World Trade Center buildings. I was in the complex. The parking garages were under all the buildings. I was in 4 World Trade Center. The building shook. The soot came down from the roof. I remember watching the ambulances lined up and leaving.

That turned out to be the test run for the 2001 World Trade Center bombing. They realized that they couldn't bring the World Trade Center down from the bottom because of that. They decided to do it from the top, let the jet fuel melt the columns, and that's what happened in 2001.

So, there was a big ceremony today commemorating that day, or whatever you say. Or what do you say, marking the day.

PERINO: Yes, marking the day. Marking the occasion.

Good "One More Thing." It's good to be reminded of that -- Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: So mine is a bit of a focus on the country, on the military, the men and women who serve, and our 43rd president of the United States, George W. Bush, who holds them near and dear to his heart and has been wonderfully consistent in terms of his support for our veterans in this country.

And he was asked at the Military Service Initiative Summit what he misses most about being president. And he had some incredible, thoughtful words to say about our veterans.


GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I miss saluting those who volunteer to put themselves in harm's way. And I have vowed that, for the remainder of my life, that I will do all I can do to help our vets.


GUILFOYLE: He loves them, and they love him.

PERINO: Indeed. All right, Greg.

GUTFELD: People often ask me what's Dana Perino like at work? Not on the show, but on the floors, in the cubicles, walking around. Well, actually, I caught her on tape angry, because her assistant didn't put lemon in her hot water. This is her just earlier this morning. There you are.




PERINO: I get really angry about that.

GUTFELD: You do get very angry, and you yell.

PERINO: All right. Juan, you're next.

GUTFELD: Well, that worked out well.

GUILFOYLE: That's bigger than your back end.

WILLIAMS: At CPAC today, they had a session on how to get more young people, more diverse people into the conservative Republican ranks. My son, Raffi Williams, was the moderator, but you had Mia Love, 39; Senator Ben Sasse, 43; and Charlie Kirk (ph), 21, of Turning Point USA.

PERINO: Awesome.

WILLIAMS: What a group.

PERINO: "Special Report" is next.

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