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White House putting feelings ahead of public safety?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 23, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, Melissa Francis and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

The largest mall in the country is on high alert after being targeted by terrorists. Somali terror group Al Shabaab released a new video, reportedly calling on Muslims to carry out attacks on western shopping centers including Minnesota's Mall of America. The Al Qaeda linked terrorists were responsible for the death of more than 60 people at a siege in a Kenyan mall in 2013. They looked to be calling for something similar on American Soil. Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson addressed the threat over the weekend.

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JEH JOHNSON, HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: The video that was released by Al Shabaab reflects what I believe is the new face we evolved in terms of the global terrorist threat. We have very effective use of video, publications, social media and the internet that have the ability to reach into communities, reach into homelands and inspire independent actors to commit acts of violence. I am very concerned about the serious potential threat of independent actors here in the United States.

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GUILFOYLE: OK. So as a country the question is how safe are we then in our malls of America? There has been this specific information given but you hear Jeh Johnson saying listen, be careful if you go there today. Is that a sufficient warning? If he has information, should he say or do more than that like then -- like shutdown the mall.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well, if he didn't say anything and something happened, he would lose his job. And this is a great excuse for men to get out of shopping like it say, honey you'll stay home.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

GUTFELD: But this -- but what is interesting is in this response to the threat, they're having an increased police presence with guns. Because, the security guards that are at the Mall of America are not armed. This is a gun-free zone. So in order to make this place safer, you have to turn a gun-free zone into a gun soaked zone which tells you how stupid it is to have gun free zones of the most dangerous places on earth. And if it's possible to increase security temporarily, so people's lives could be saved, why don't you make that temporary -- permanent. Because when times are tough, guns are your answer. Then why don't you make that the answer all the time. You can't have a gun free utopia in a world where under constant threat.

GUILFOYLE: Right. OK. So Eric, you've been on this issue in terms of having -- these are targets, essentially, no. If you go to a mall not where you gonna get the gun so that people feel that they can create total chaos, (inaudible) especially here on our economy.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: So, over the weekend three things happened. Think about this, ISIS released the video, actually released two videos, one of the jihadi kids, young kids being trained. They also released the video of some peshmerga fighters in cages, 21 peshmergas to take -- to warn the Kurds, that was ISIS. Boko Haram had a 7-year-old girl blow herself up killing herself and five others, one of the kidnapped victims. And then Al Shabaab, as you point out the Somali terrorist group threatens Mall of America. Now, think about this for one second, why -- why Mall of America? Why did they specific target that, because the largest Somali population of immigrants reside in Minnesota and in Minneapolis, 10 miles from the Mall of America. So, there's this global kind of competition going for the terror dollar (ph). You have Boko Haram fighting with ISIS, fighting with Al Shabaab and they all want to out terrorize each other to get the recruits and to get the money and it's a scary and scarier place. I think they all realize, when you target America you really, really get people's attention. So they're doing kind of the -- the ISIS game, they're -- they're upping ISIS game a little bit.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, well, and now Melissa, while they're doing that and they seem to actually be moving forward with the jihad we are still in this pattern of retreat.

MELISSA FRANCIS, GUEST CO-HOST: No, absolutely. And I remember -- you know, when I was in high school going and visiting (inaudible) and you walk through there, and you say to yourself, what was the rest of the world doing? What were they saying at a time that lines of people were being marched into ovens here? How it is allowed to go on and on. Now it feels like we're living in a time where we're listening to people, rationalize doing -- doing the very least, they possibly can. And you look at the president and what he is saying, for somebody who so concerned about his legacy, it's amazing to me that he doesn't realize that right now he's on the wrong side of history, because this train is only rolling in one direction and getting uglier by the moment.

GUILFOYLE: Now Juan, I mean, the evidence is in and the facts. I mean, they are gaining ground, they are gaining recruits and they are gaining cash. What should the administration be doing at this point?

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, I think they are doing what they should be doing, one is they are fighting them on the ground. I mean United States has taken the lead, I think there's no doubt about that. Secondly, the social media front, which I know invites (inaudible) but goodness gracious, that's how they are trying to recruit people, just the way that Eric described. This competition between Boko Haram, Al Shabaab, ISIS, Al Qaeda.

BOLLING: That's right.

WILLIAMS: And this competition is not taking place in terms of people going down to the -- you know, the local fire station and recruiting the volunteers to come join their forces, no, it's going on right there and on the web. And you got to get -- United States has to get in there and be an aggressive presence as you are not going to get -- was this 72 version.

BOLLING: Can I --

WILLIAMS: If you join in. But I will say this -- let's go back to something Greg said. Greg said and I think this is right. The administration knows that if something happens they have to have a cover story that says, we said, we told you. We were aware of it. We warned the people at the mall. We took steps in order to protect Americans and not only that, we told Americans, better do more in terms of your personal vigilance. If you see something, say something. All of that done -- do something.

BOLLING: Can I just jump in very quickly? You say we are doing a lot of things.

WILLIAMS: Yes.

BOLLING: You have to. You have to tell people, keep your eyes open at the Mall of America.

WILLIAMS: Right.

BOLLING: Every mall, every corner for that matter. After 9/11, everyone was on -- on guard, they are vigilant. There was a big push, a PR push over the weekend -- today. Of the -- over the weekend, there were 18 air strikes in Syria and 7 in Iraq, of the United States.

WILLIAMS: Yup.

BOLLING: That's 25 in two days. And I'm gonna say this again we were doing 2,500 per day at the start of the Iraq war. 2,500 per day.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, but the --

BOLLING: Now with proportion, 25 in two days, Juan.

WILLIAMS: But that's not --

BOLLING: Doing everything we possibly can.

WILLIAMS: But Eric, the proportions are way out of scale here. ISIS is such a small bed of what they were fighting.

BOLLING: There was an attack on an area just outside of one of the ISIS strongholds, I believe in Mosul on Friday. I was off on Friday and I saw, and they said, everyone knows this is an ISIS stronghold here. Well if everyone knows it, why aren't we leveling it?

FRANCIS: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: Why aren't we leveling it?

BOLLING: That's -- yes.

GUILFOYLE: Juan seems to be diminishing that (inaudible) and he say, you know what? This is completely different scale, different proportion.

WILLIAMS: It is.

GUILFOYLE: It's really not, because ISIS actually has more ground. We are not just talking about Iraq. We're talking about Iraq, we're talking Syria, we're talking about now, Lebanon. It's spreading across the Middle East, they are gaining ground. I think it's very naive and it's dangerous from the national security perspective to say, oh no, this is just a small problem. They only have a few people. As many as we hit, they are gaining more recruits. I mean, does everybody see that, that is happening?

FRANCIS: But that -- that is a question what Eric brought up, is that if we know exactly where the stronghold is why aren't we going in and bombing that specifically?

(CROSSTALK) WILLIAMS: We do. We do go in and bomb it specifically.

BOLLING: 25 -- Juan.

WILLIAMS: But you have to realize -- you realize, this is not a one sided conversation. They have -- they take in people who are civilians. We have to deal with all the collateral issues. We have to deal with territorial issues in terms of sovereignty, for example Turkey, why isn't Turkey doing more? We have to deal with the fact that we are also contending, going after the leadership in Syria. So, there are all sorts of issues, but the fact is -- you know what ISIL isn't gaining ground. They're not gaining, where they gain is online by bringing in these kids and -- just an act of savagery, (ph) sort of demonic thinking.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Well, I mean, you just -- are helping now to make the case for what we are saying, Juan.

WILLIAMS: How was that?

GUILFOYLE: I want to thank you for that.

WILLIAMS: Well, how was that? -- I don't think --

GUILFOYLE: Because they are. They're reaching a far greater group and that's --

WILLAIMS: Yes. Then we have to fight that.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

WILLIAMS: With no question.

GUILFOYLE: It's actually a much more complicated problem than what we were even dealing with in Iraq. I mean, when you think about it, this is not just one singular focus mission, this is much longer and it's dealing with jihad that are spreading quite rapidly and now you have concerned and effort.

WILLIAMS: I agree.

GUILFOYLE: On behalf of multiple terror groups, like in Iraq, Syria. Like Al Shabaab, like Boko Haram, but all of them -- acting now together. There -- they're working on that.

WILLIAMS: Well, high five. I agree with you. I was just -- I was arguing with Eric about -- oh, just more military respect approach.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

WILLIAMS: Is gonna solve the problem. I don't think that's it.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

BOLLING: Well, (inaudible) well -- I'm sorry.

FRANCIS: I mean, if you blow out home base and then they can't go online and be recruiting more people. I mean, what he is saying does solve the problem, but you also said that they are worried about collateral damage and that is probably the real problem that -- you know, folks aren't talking about. This idea that, innocents there who been dragged in would be killed at the same time. But, we've gotten to the point where there are so many innocent people being killed, when you finally say we're gonna in and really blow up the headquarters.

GUILFOYLE: OK, Greg, give a comment on that and I will switch it up.

GUTFELD: No, go ahead.

GUILFOYLE: OK. So here's the Obama administration. They want us to focus. Actually, they weren't warning us about the real threat to America and that is, brace yourself at home, its right wingers. They are very scary people, people that drink tea, et cetera, et cetera. Where is this coming from?

GUTFELD: Can I comment on that?

GUILFOYLE: Please.

GUTFELD: Because that's the -- the DHS was designed after 9/11 to fight. Let's face it. It was Islamic terror that was the number threat. But like all bureaucracies, they become bloated and they start spreading it around, because they have a fear of offense against Islam, and they have an Islamophobia.

GUILFOYLE: Islamophobia.

FRANCIS: Phobia.

GUTFELD: Phobia. That poisons our efforts, in a long term to protect ourselves against actual threats by spreading out all of our -- all of our expertise and all of our -- all of our men into all of these nonexistent threats. So in a sense, they believe that there gonna be -- with armed Lutherans, you know -- blame siege (ph) on a hot topic in a mall? I don't think so, but that has to be part of the deal, because they don't want to hurt feelings. They don't understand that. In order to save the world or save western civilization, you gonna have to hurt a few feelings. And I think --

WILLIAMS: I don't know.

GUTFELD: And I think that's where President Obama is wrong. He is worried about hurting the feelings of Muslims by linking Islam to terror. And that is actually insulting to Muslims.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, I think it reckoned to spending (ph)

GUTFELD: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: I think you should call it for what it is, but -- but Gregory.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: Oklahoma City?

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GUTFELD: What you got?

WILLIAMS: Atlanta, Atlanta in Olympic -- no, no.

GUTFELD: Is that only what you have?

WILLIAMS: No, how about Atlanta Olympic bomber.

GUTFELD: Yeah, you got two.

WILLIAMS: Oh, what about the --

GUTFELD: You got two over four decades.

WILLIAMS: I can go on but my point is if DHS ignores.

BOLLING: How about you go on -- if no mess (ph) -- seven years.

WILLIAMS: Domestic terrorism, then you would say -- you know what these guys are short sided.

BOLLING: Do you have any in the last eight years?

WILLIAMS: What?

BOLLING: Do you have any examples in the last seven years?

WILLIAMS: I won't even get into it because I'm not --

BOLLING: No, no, because you can.

WILLIAMS: Oh, yes, I can.

BOLLING: Typical left wing response.

WILLIAMS: No, it's not.

BOLLING: All you know -- you know, it's not just that, it's -- remember Oklahoma City that was 20 years ago. The Olympic bombing 18, 16 years ago.

WILLIAMS: Yeah.

BOLLING: Bring us up to date, Juan. Give us -- give us a recent right wing or Christian crusade --

WILLIAMS: Or you want me to --

BOLLING: About a terrorist attack that happened in America.

WILLIAMS: You know what?

GUILFOYLE: But this is what they're saying, they lack focus.

WILLIAMS: People, I remember a doctor getting shot in his church.

GUTFELD: Yeah, but -- but Juan, OK. You have to -- if you're gonna play by the numbers, you've got to play by the numbers and you have to admit it is an overwhelming amount.

WILLIAMS: No, no, I agree. I would agree with that.

GUTFELD: Yes, yes.

WILLIAMS: No, that's there -- but I'm just saying, you can't, then say, no, ignore domestic issues. That is still --

BOLLING: Are you saying abortion to clinic -- clinic shooting --

WILLIAMS: The guy shot in his church.

BOLLING: And you called it terrorist attack?

WILLIAMS: What would you call it?

BOLLING: A lunatic.

WILLIAMS: Oh, you sound like Obama. I didn't know you're working for Obama these days.

BOLLING: No, no, no.

WILLIAMS: Oh, I think -- because you --

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WILLIAMS: All of a sudden that is a domestic effort, I see.

BOLLING: I thought were government -- now, it's lost.

WILLIAMS: Maybe next year you will say it's a man-made disaster. Oh. Come on.

GUILFOYLE: OK. So, Melissa, this is a focus of this administration while -- you know, while the Middle East is burning, and jihad is up on the rise, they are worried they said there's have been 24 that they want to say from like right wing extreme groups that are resulting a bit far dangerous, more dangerous than ISIS.

FRANCIS: I mean, it's all fight over semantics and it's pretty ridiculous at this point. I would say -- you know, I consider myself a religious person. I go to church every Sunday. I'm actually offended when these people are group in, which regular Muslims, because it is a perversion of the faith, all together. But -- but to try and you know, sort of sort your way through all of that is just a way to obvious escape (ph) what we're really supposed to be doing, which is battling it. I mean, it's distracting from the main issue. But even if the president came out today and said, called it what it was. I don't think it would change the way he approaches it, because he does not want to go in and take a hard line approach.

WILLIAMS: He is --

FRANCIS: And that's not gonna change --

WILLIAMS: And he is -- he does spoke the truth.

GUILFOYLE: The language is --

WILLIAMS: But let me just say --

GUILFOYLE: The language is tied directly into that is the problem and we have like people like Marie Harf, that want have -- job fairs, and that's not how you beat this fact.

GUTFELD: But you know what is funny? The biggest troubles at malls are teenage mobs. They go in there and destroy property. If I were Al Qaeda, I would stay away from the malls, because you gonna get your butt kicked by a hundred kids. The premise here is that Islam has nothing to do with terror, which is false. It is there, it is at its phase. Islam is there because, when faith matters, because it offers the promise of an afterlife. The promise of the afterlife makes the present life expendable. The apocalypse is wonderful if you think it's a segway to something else. So by ignoring that simple fact, that there is at its core -- maybe -- maybe there is a perversion of a religion but it is a religion nonetheless, that is saying, your life on here does not matter and the people you kill, the people you kill are gonna be up there with you. That is -- I mean --

GUILFOYLE: Done in the name of religion.

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GUTFELD: And maybe no atheists in Fox holes, but there a very few atheists in death cults.

GUILFOYLE: I don't think we can dispute that, anybody? (ph) I got to go. Coming up, should calls for wage equality really be coming from the millionaires in Hollywood? Actress Patricia Arquette seems to think so, the latest face of Hollywood hypocrisy after this. Stay with us.

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TEGAN AND SARA, SINGER: Everything is awesome. Everything is cool when you're part of the team. Everything is awesome, when we're living our dream.

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GUTFELD: So true. Last night was the Oscars or as I call it the super bowl for short men. It was typical Hollywood, many black presenters, few black nominees. The Oscars were as white as the cocaine snorted in the bathroom. But Patricia Arquette deservedly won for her role in boyhood. And she said this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) PATRICIA ARQUETTE, ACTRESS: To every woman who gave birth to every tax payer and citizens of this nation, we -- have -- fought for everybody else's equal rights. It's our time to have wage equality once and for all and equal rights for women in the United States of America.

(APPLAUSE)

(END VIDEO CLIP) GUTFELD: Now, one could point out that single childless women in their 20's earn more than their male counter parts. That is not about equal rights. Wage discrimination after all is illegal, but choices that effect pay and life, it's true. Women live nearly five years longer than men. Now if this were reversed, could you imagine the outcry? We'll be talking about life disparity, not wage disparity. We protest against the life chilling, not the glass ceiling, and demand that men die sooner just for the sake of equality. But if Hollywood wants to talk about equality, look at their two worlds, one of dramatic concern on the Oscars and the other of absurd luxury. Their gift bags cost $125,000 each, that's more than they pay their maids, their drivers, their lift blowers, their hookers, combined. So as the Oscars trash America, the world outside is going nuts. Women are being enslaved by a death cult or stoned to death for adultery. True, there may be women in Syria who would have applauded the Oscar's speeches if ISIS hadn't chopped off their hands for using cell phones. But at least Neil Patrick Harris had stones.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) NEIL PATRICK HARRIS, ACTOR: The subject of citizens for Edward Snowden could not be here tonight for some treason.

(LAUGHTER)

(END VIDEO CLIP) GUTFELD: They awful that was good, Yogi (ph). But the best -- this is from J.K. Simmons, after he's win for Whiplash.

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J.K. SIMMONS, ACTOR: Call your mom. Everybody, I told this like a billion people or so. Call your mom, call your dad. If you are lucky enough to have a parents or two alive on this planet, call them. Don't text, don't e-mail. Call them on the phone. Tell them you love them and thank them and listen to them for as long as they want to talk to you. Thank you. Thank you, mom and dad.

(APPLAUSE)

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GUTFELD: Now, that's a message. Hey, Melissa, let's talk about the - you're the business -- guru.

FRANCIS: Yes. We gonna talk about it.

GUTFELD: What do you make? Is she - is her -- what she's a legitimate point. Or this all based on the 77 cent myth?

FRANCIS: You know, so the wage equality debate like so many debates drive people bananas because people get emotional and they stand up and they ring (ph) your hand. They don't want to bother to do the math because that is too much trouble and often times it doesn't match your frequency notion of what you want to talk about. When you look at the stats about wage inequality, it's never talking apples to apples.

GUTFELD: No.

FRANCIS: You're never looking at two employees, a man and a woman who have the same experience. They have the same degree, because it's almost impossible, no two people are alike. One thing that does stick out in the most recent studies, women just fortunately obtains degrees that lead to lower paying jobs. I was talking to a woman recently who was upset about the salary she was being offered as a teacher, after she went all the risk through school that a graduate degree, to teach school. And I said, what did they tell you when you were studying?

GUTFELD: Yeah.

FRANCIS: That the salary was gonna be. She didn't look. You know that wasn't a factor when she was deciding what to so. For the wrong reasons or maybe the right reasons, men look at salary first, I think when they are deciding what they want to do, women don't consider that. A lot of times when they come a more emotional decisions about what they want to do in their life. I have sons, if I had a daughters, I would tell them, think about what this job is gonna pay you and what does it gonna costs you to get the degree.

GUTFELD: Hmm. K.G.

GUILFOYLE: Look, I'm still on glad that Patricia Arquette found the voice and got up there and talked about it. What about all the women that are being horribly abuse? That have no right (inaudible). I mean, America we're doing great, that's why everybody wants to come here. There is always room for improvement, sure, but she had a real opportunity there. She's gonna bring up this issue to talk about women that have been persecuted and murdered and the subject of disfiguration, acid on their faces, general mutilation, what about that? Or maybe because she's worried about them hunting her down like they did -- you know, Charlie Hebdo style. I -- don't know, I just -- to me it's constantly just like a bashing whether it's like a white privilege thing, or a down on American exceptionalism, it's always about how bad we're doing in this country and how bad we're failing, or that we're racist or discriminatory. That to me -- OK, do you want academy award for that? Do you want another statue for that performance you just gave?

GUTFELD: That was quite a performance.

BOLLING: So --

GUILFOYLE: I think so.

BOLLING: Your monologue Greg. You points that out women live -- on every as almost five years longer than men, and there's reason for that. Men take more risks. They take more risks in life and therefore they die sooner, smoking, drinking, whatever. But they also take more risks in business, right? They start businesses at a higher frequency than women and that would account for some of it. So there was a study -- Melissa points out we have someone should do a study, turns out there is a study. American Association of University of Women and they controlled for everything. They control for age, they control for -- what -- was your major, what was your occupation the afterwards and one year out, the wage gap -- there was still a gap, but it's only seven percent. It wasn't 22 or 23 cents at a dollar -- it was seven cents in a dollar. So, it's very close, it's a lot closer than they would have you believe and it's -- it's shrinking. So, things are getting better. So you -- when you do compare apples to apples, they're almost -- just the same number.

FRANCIS: You're, you're talking about the same thing. This is the same study that we were looking and they have demoralized for the fact that women were choosing careers that paid less. And like you're saying when 2,000 variables --

WILLIAMS: Well let me -- let me, let me interject a quick point.

FRANCIS: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: Before we go, which is, you're in this business. And as I understand, that she's upset and a lot of women in Hollywood are upset because, Jennifer Lawrence got paid less on this --

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: E-mails came out.

GUTFELD: Good point.

WILLIAMS: An American Hustle, she was paid less than the male stars. And in fact in Hollywood, women are often paid less.

FRANCIS: OK. So what we're responding that? Because she had less experience. She also --

GUILFOYLE: She also have smaller role.

FRANCIS: Act in her career. She -- yeah, and I think that she can't hear after --

WILLIAMS: I don't know about this because I read it, they would that if you look at --

FRANCIS: Who were I don't think she was the same box office draw, I don't think she was the some box office draw at that moment.

WILLIAMS: Well, I don't know. Let me just say --

FRANCIS: As Bradley Cooper. She maybe now, but she wasn't then.

WILLIAMS: I think people like looking at you better than looking at me.

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WILLIAMS: But anyway, I heard that twilight --

GUTFELD: That's get this (ph)

WILLIAMS: Get this (ph)

GUILFOYLE: We're really failing in the country now.

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GUILFOYLE: Get a job. WILLIAMS: But I'm just -- my point is Twilight, Twilight game -- Twilight, Hunger Games, all women driven movies that are the best selling movies now these days and women still don't get paid what men get paid as actress.

FRANCIS: I think Jennifer Lawrence is gonna get a hell of a deal in the next Hunger Games and I would love to be her age on that one. I think that the time she was in American Hustle, she didn't have the same box office bang behind her, but now she does. And I think that you can hold out for the money that you deserve and actresses do that in Hollywood. A lot of times the men in that particular film in particular, the one they were looking for.

GUTFELD: Right about you.

GUILFOYLE: There were pick Tarzan in that film. She had this more of a supporting role in that particular film.

WILLIAMS: Jennifer Lawrence in Hunger -- are you kidding me?

GUILFOYLE: No, not in Hunger Games, American Hustle.

WILLIAMS: She wasn't -- that was small --

FRANCIS: But she's strong now.

GUTFELD: Forget it.

FRANCIS: Yeah.

GUTFELD: It was a shame we broke up. Now she's huge. Coming up, Hillary Clinton's foundation took millions of dollars from foreign governments, now her own party is going after her. Repeat (ph)

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FRANCIS: Are liberals turning their backs on Hillary Clinton over her donor problem? Last week the Wall Street Journal reported a Clinton foundation accepted millions of dollars in donations from foreign governments, raising ethical questions ahead of a potential 2016 run. Now even some allies on the left and in the media are criticizing her. Here's Robert Gibbs and John Heilemann.

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ROBERT GIBBS, COMMENTATOR: I think there's no doubt that the appearances are awkward at best. And I think they're going to have to do something in the very short term to deal with this in a way that puts it off the table.

JOHN HEILEMANN, COMMENTATOR: The idea that when she came out as secretary of state they loosened those restrictions again is totally insane. I mean, it just -- I think it does go to -- It's joking to say it's expensive to Clinton (ph), but they have throughout their political careers been obsessed and insecure about money.

I think she is giving her opponents a huge amount of fodder that could come back to haunt them later.

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FRANCIS: All right. So he makes the point they've been doing this forever. I mean, this goes back to the days when the Clinton's put the Lincoln bedroom on Air (ph) B&B. I mean, they have been doing this absolutely forever.

And if it didn't work, people wouldn't still be ponying up the money. Right? I mean, if you didn't get bang for your buck after all these years the Clinton machine has been rolling along, people would say, "You know what? I gave them a pass (ph). It didn't do me any good."

Raise your hand around here if you honestly think when the Saudi government gives them millions of dollars that they think that's the best possible way to get mosquito netting or water to Africa? That that's the most efficient way. Does anyone believe this is why they're giving money? Do you?

BOLLING: I think they're giving money because they can and they want to. But it's funny how conservatives give money. Libertarians and conservatives give money to conservatives, and the left goes crazy. They're buying the election.

Meanwhile, when foreign governments and foreign entities are giving money to Hillary Clinton, they look the other way. I stand up. Fantastic, Gibbs and Heilemann. Thank you for doing something like that.

Another little tidbit in the Clinton Foundation of $2 billion they're raising: Hillary Clinton is very pro-equal opportunity and equal income for women and men. In her 2002 to 2008 career as a senator -- the Free Beacon published this today -- she paid men 38 percent more than women in her own Senate staff.

FRANCIS: Kimberly, how can they spin this to get out from under the way it looks?

GUILFOYLE: The shark tank is not going to work for you now, Hillary.

FRANCIS: How can they spin this?

GUILFOYLE: I don't know how they're going to spin it. It's morally reprehensible. It's ethically a huge problem. It's legal. They can accept it. But nevertheless, it's just I mean, it just smacks of impropriety. I mean, why would you want to be in bed with all these people that we need to have some separation from so that we can operate with some distinction and, you know, seriousness? "Oh, well, we're in bed with the Saudis. We're in bed with China. And we're just in bed with everybody." For the Clintons...

WILLIAMS: Yell, you know what -- you know what strikes me is here, look, the way they can spin it is, actually, the Clinton Global Initiative does some good work. They initially started out dealing with AIDS, dealing with other international issues.

But what you've got here now is basically influence pedaling. And that's why people on the left are saying, "Hey, this doesn't smell right. You've got to stop it. This is going to lead to bleeding." Not only will Republicans attack it, but Democrats in house are going to go nuts, because they think Hillary is too close to Wall Street. And it's not just the foreign governments.

FRANCIS: Right.

WILLIAMS: It's like the Boeings, the G.E.s. And you know what?

FRANCIS: And Wall Street.

WILLIAMS: I don't know that they say we want immediate results. They want access. And if she's going to be the president of the United States, they want access to the president.

FRANCIS: And it's also Wall Street. That's why she's been able to raise so much money. That's why, you know, when she gives the $300,000 speech or $250,000 at Goldman Sachs down on Wall Street, I don't know that she's that great of a speaker.

GUTFELD: No, she's terrible. You know what? Hillary is the poster child for masquerading insatiable power as public service. Let's face it: public service for them was the cover charge to get into the club later in life to make billions of dollars.

But the area that she is really in trouble with is not this, because this is boring to the American public. Money glazes eyeballs. What is interesting is foreign policy, which was her job. And as secretary of state, where are we now? We are in the worst possible condition in the world. We have so many problems going on. She was the secretary of state. Electing her president is like handing the pilot of the Hindenburg the Goodyear blimp. Why would you do it?

FRANCIS: I don't know. But sadly, to the American public, it's probably - - this is easier to wrap your head around, that she's taking money from the wrong people...

GUTFELD: Yes.

FRANCIS: ... than the idea that she was actually bad at the real job that she had.

All right. Coming up, we've got more from the Oscars. Awkward interviews, big movies, and a sexist red carpet. That is all straight ahead in "The Fastest Seven."

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BOLLING: Welcome back. Time for...

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BOLLING: ... the "Fastest Seven" minutes on television, Academy Award edition. Three captivating stories, seven concise minutes, one convivial - - convivial host.

First up, the Oscars were filled with left-wing talking points like they came directly from the West Wing of the White House, but it was the antics surrounding the ceremony that had people talking around the office water cooler. Check out this awkward moment on the red carpet when "Fifty Shades of Gray" star Dakota Johnson gets ticked off at her mom, Melanie Griffith, for not seeing her film and not pretending she's ever going to see it.

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MELANIE GRIFFITH, ACTRESS/DAKOTA JOHNSON'S MOTHER: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You don't want to see it?

DAKOTA JOHNSON, ACTRESS/MELANIE GRIFFITH'S DAUGHTER: Maybe one day.

GRIFFITH: I don't think I can. I think it would be strange.

JOHNSON: No, I don't think so. I think that one day you can see it. I think so.

GRIFFITH: She's a really good actress. I don't need to see that one.

JOHNSON: All right. You don't have to see it.

GRIFFITH: If she tells me to see it, I'll see it.

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BOLLING: All right. All right, K.G. Mom and daughter.

GUILFOYLE: I've got an "Atta boy."

I mean, I don't know what to tell you. I mean, that was very awkward. They should have been better prepared by some, any. Even a volunteer publicist. Very awkward.

But I like Melanie. She's cool. I don't know Dakota.

BOLLING: Didn't you feel like there was something going on?

GUTFELD; I thought it was -- I thought that it was wonderfully honest and very, very real.

GUILFOYLE: But you have a crush on her.

GUTFELD: No, Melanie -- Melanie Griffith now remember -- now knows what her mother, Tippi Hedren, was going through when she was 15 and dating Don Johnson, and Tippi Hedren was going, like, "What is wrong with you?"

By the way, who's -- did you blame Melanie? Are you going to watch an erotic movie with your daughter when your daughter, especially when your daughter is in it? I have three older sisters. When we would watch TV and a commercial for a feminine product came on, I had to leave the room. You just don't watch that stuff with your family!

FRANCIS: The one I felt bad for there was the host, Laura Spencer. I mean, she was working harder than J. Lo's dress. I mean, she was doing everything she could to try and get an answer out of them, and the two of them were getting annoyed and clamming up. That was hysterical.

BOLLING: Quick thought on this one before we move on?

WILLIAMS: Well, I just think it would be awkward to watch your kids in a sex movie.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Melanie -- Melanie can show her a few tricks, because she's -- she's pretty spicy.

BOLLING: Or she could have said, "You know what? Enough parts I would go like that." But maybe she'd be doing a lot of that.

Anyway, another awkward moment, Reese Witherspoon is terribly offended that people keep asking her about her dress and not her position on global warming or income inequality. In fact, Reese Witherspoon sees it as downright sexist.

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REESE WITHERSPOON, ACTRESS: This is a movement to, you know, say we're more than just our dresses. It's great. The dresses are beautiful. We love the artists that make all these clothes. This is a group of women, 44 nominees this year, Robin, that are women, and we are so happy to be here and talk about the work that we've done. It's hard being a woman in Hollywood or in any industry. So it's exciting for me to get to talk to other nominees about all the hard work they did.

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BOLLING: It's so hard being -- making 15 or 20 million bucks a year.

FRANCIS: I mean, you know, first of all, I think more women get interviewed on the red carpet than men, because they're more interesting to look at. They have the dresses on. That's what people want to see.

It's not about what they're being asked. How about say more. When they say, "Who made your dress," you say, "Gucci made my dress, but I made the choice to be in this film. And the reason why I did it is this." I mean, turn the answer to what you want to say. It's not on the interviewer to ask the proper question. Say what you're going to say.

GUILFOYLE: They need prepared lines.

FRANCIS: Right. What you want to say.

BOLLING: Go ahead.

GUTFELD: I wonder -- I just always envisioned Buffalo Bill from "Silence of the Lambs" walking in there, and they go, "What are you wearing?"

But why is this sexist? If somebody has a genuine curiosity in your apparel, because it's attractive and it's meant to be attractive and you're wearing it because it's beautiful why is that sexist? It's -- again, it's like a micro aggression. "How dare you ask me what I'm wearing? I am hurt." We are in a wimpy, wimpy culture where language is now considered acts of, like, psychological violence.

WILLIAMS: Also you know what, you guys? Just to be stupid, because that's the whole industry.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: There's a fashion industry that puts those dresses -- you talk about the bags they get for 125,000 or whatever.

BOLLING: We're not talking about what's in it.

WILLIAMS: We're not allowed. But we are allowed to talk about these dresses that they give. And the reason the designers give them the dresses, to pick up on your point, is so that America can see it and then go buy it.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. But it's very ungrateful.

WILLIAMS: They want the gift, but they don't want to advertise.

GUILFOYLE: It's selfish.

BOLLING: Juan, who made -- who made your tie?

WILLIAMS: My tie?

BOLLING: I love your tie.

GUILFOYLE: Ralph Lauren.

BOLLING: Jimmy Kimmel had some post-Oscar fun with people who are so desperate to be on TV, they'll agree with anything the interviewer asks them. Check this out.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What did you think of the controversial moment at the beginning of "Boyhood" when they killed the boy right off the bat?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was pretty -- pretty emotional. It was a good movie.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How do you think Angelina Jolie did as Rosa Parks in Selma? Was that powerful? Or...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, definitely. Very powerful.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What did you think about the beautiful moment in "The Theory of Everything" when Eddie Redmayne got up out of the wheelchair and punched Albert Einstein in the face?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm so glad they did that. That was just, like, history in its making. I wish I could have been there to see that in real life.

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GUILFOYLE: Oh, yi, yi.

FRANCIS: That can't be real.

WILLIAMS: Yes, that was real. Those people are that crazy. That's how wacko people are. You know what they asked? They asked somebody, "What did you think of -- I think it was Judith Dench as Larry Bird in 'Birdman'?" Larry Bird is in "Birdman."

BOLLING: See, I think I agree with Melissa here. I listened to that audio. The audio is a little different when she's talking than when he is. There's some backstory.

GUTFELD: The other thing, too, is that we live in a pretty hypocritical world, where we enjoy insulting the public and making fun of how stupid they are. But if you make a joke about the celebrity during the Oscars you have the same public coming after you saying, "How dare you make fun of Patricia Arquette? Please, make fun of us instead. Patricia Arquette doesn't even know that I exist, but I'm going to defend her. But please, call me an idiot."

By the way, the public are not going to the movies. They're not going anymore. That can be evidence that they don't even know what's out there, because the tickets are so expensive.

GUILFOYLE: Because everybody went and saw "American Sniper," not any of those...

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: If you ask them something about "American Sniper," I bet you they could answer it.

GUTFELD: Won for sound editing.

BOLLING: You know what? If you look in the background, those stands, how is that the Oscars?

WILLIAMS: Is that right? Is that true?

BOLLING: Listen, I'm going to agree. I think that was all...

FRANCIS: I think it was fake. Well, they said they went down the street to do it, and they got regular people to do it on the street. But I don't know. It was just too set up. It was too ridiculous.

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GUILFOYLE: People are embarrassed.

WILLIAMS: But remember Jay Leno, "Jaywalking"? It was the same thing.

GUTFELD: They interview lots of people to get what they want.

BOLLING: All right. We've got to go. Next up, our buddy Juan Williams, a liberal, thinks Clarence Thomas is the most influential thinker when it comes to race in America, even more so than President Obama. Juan explains next.

GUILFOYLE: Good. What a tease.

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WILLIAMS: February is Black History Month and a great opportunity to celebrate the person I believe to be the single most influential thinker on racial issues today: Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.

Conservatives love him, liberals loathe him, but his Supreme Court opinions are proving one thing: he's an equal rights advocate for all people. In doing so, he's opened new roads for the American political debate on racial justice at a time when our country really needs it.

I wrote a book on Thurgood Marshall. I remember writing, you know, Thurgood Marshall stood up for rights for black folks. Now here comes the second African-American justice on the court. And what does he do? He says, "Look, it's got to be about everyone; equal rights for all under the amendments, the 13th Amendment, the 14th Amendment. End of slavery, OK. Let's have equal rights for all, no discrimination against anybody. And that's the way we go." What do you think, Melissa?

FRANCIS: I thought you wrote a fantastic piece in the Wall Street Journal that highlights this, and you pointed out his opinion in Fisher (ph), where he said, "Racial discrimination is never benign. There can be no doubt that the university's discrimination injures white and Asian applicants, who are denied admissions because of their race."

Now I wonder, if I said that out loud as my opinion, I would get crucified for that. I mean, social media, everybody would take to that. You're not allowed to say things like that.

WILLIAMS: Well, he says it. And the thing is, you know, I mean, his one opponent in this would be President Obama. President Obama can't say a word about race. Otherwise, the folks at this table would say, "Oh, he's being a black president." So he says nothing, pretty much.

And the debate is being, I think, created, shaped by Clarence Thomas in terms of university admissions, contracts. I could go on. He's the guy in this generation that's shaping racial opinions.

FRANCIS: And Al Sharpton.

WILLIAMS: No. No, believe me.

BOLLING: ... something out there, Juan...

GUILFOYLE: I heard it.

BOLLING: ... and we have to push back on it a little. President Obama doesn't talk about race?

WILLIAMS: He can't -- he's a...

BOLLING: He's not -- he's not pushing -- he's not pushing a race wedge through the American public?

WILLIAMS: Every time he says stuff about race...

BOLLING: "If I had a son like Trayvon -- if I had a son, he would be like Trayvon Martin."

WILLIAMS: What he says -- what he says is...

BOLLING: He has Eric Holder as his attorney general, who could be the most divisive attorney general of all time. Let me ask you, very quickly. I know we don't have a lot of time. Is race, are race relations in America better now than the day President Obama was sworn in?

WILLIAMS: Yes.

BOLLING: Better or worse?

WILLIAMS: I think most people are more conscious of it. So they say in the polls it's worse. But the fact is race relations, I think, in this country are better than when my dad was alive. I'll tell you that -- Greg.

GUTFELD: The point that in your column I thought was important is that the champions of diversity are driven by a secret assumption of black inferiority.

WILLIAMS: That's Thomas, yes.

GUTFELD: They think blacks cannot handle the same kinds of challenges or standards that whites do. And that drives -- I think that -- sorry, Geraldo. That is more destructive than hip-hop is that assumption.

But I could hear -- while you were talking, I could hear the sounds of white liberal heads exploding, because we've got to remember how Clarence Thomas was abused. If the left want to know how the right learned to be vicious, we learned it from you, the way they treated Clarence Thomas and Borking Robert Bork.

WILLIAMS: Bork. I was going to say.

GUTFELD: The way they did that, that is how the modern right learned from the old left.

WILLIAMS: Let's go to the lawyer.

GUILFOYLE: Look, I greatly admire Justice Thomas. I think he is incredible and he is very humble. He is rarely heard from. But his spoken word is powerful. He's an example of everything that is right about this country, just like with Ben Carson. They both came from limited opportunity. They believe in equality of opportunity, not of results. Because if you're born here, you're miles ahead of everybody else. Work hard. Through determination and self-focus and discipline, you can accomplish anything.

WILLIAMS: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: And he doesn't want to limit people by the color of their skin.

WILLIAMS: I know.

GUILFOYLE: Why aren't more people in the different minority communities embracing this notion?

WILLIAMS: You know -- amen. And I think the critics caricature him, but the fact is, he's there and he's making a difference.

"One More Thing" up right now. Stay with us.

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GUILFOYLE: Welcome back. It's time now for "One More Thing." Greg, what do you got?

GUTFELD: Yes, this thing.

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GUTFELD: Greg's Secret to Happiness. Now with hamsters.

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GUTFELD: All right. You know what?

GUILFOYLE: What?

BOLLING: Copyright 2015.

GUTFELD: Yes. Sometimes the best way to eat alone is just to eat alone in a garbage can, because that way you don't have to clean up after yourself. The crumbs can fall where they may, like Fluffy McFuster did.

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(HAMSTER POKING HEAD OUT OF A TINY KITCHEN TRASH CAN)

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GUTFELD: See, this is what you do. This is the best way to eat when you are in a hurry and you don't have time to do dishes. Just stay in there.

FRANCIS: I love it.

GUTFELD: And then you have people come and feed you.

FRANCIS: It's very efficient.

WILLIAMS: Aww.

FRANCIS: I like the efficiency.

GUTFELD: There you go.

WILLIAMS: Oh, my gosh.

GUTFELD: Anyway...

GUILFOYLE: So strange. My gosh. OK, Juan.

FRANCIS: How do you follow that?

WILLIAMS: I'll tell you, I've been having the blues. I'm down in the dumps. It's too cold for me. It's too cold. You know what they say about politicians in Washington? You know it's cold when they're walking around with their hands in their own pockets. You know what I mean?

So I was thinking, what are we going to do to get out of the blues? And here's my suggestion for you. The cherry blossoms are coming to Washington pretty soon. We never know when they come out. It could be late March, could be early April.

FRANCIS: At this rate.

WILLIAMS: And so I'm saying to you, it's a beautiful town. You would love it. And just -- this is a way for me to send my heart to all of the viewers and say think of spring.

GUILFOYLE: That's very sweet and sunny.

GUTFELD: Come visit you?

WILLIAMS: Come visit me.

GUILFOYLE: Bolling, what do you got?

BOLLING: OK. You know I love the numbers. Apple topped three quarters of a trillion dollars, $770 billion today. Disney charging 100 bucks for a day at the park, and this. This lady won $188 million in the lottery.

FRANCIS: Wow.

BOLLING: Single mother of four. Listen.

GUTFELD: Single?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I checked them, and I was like, "Yes, those are the right -- those are the right numbers." And I was like, "We made it."

I scared my kids because I was jumping up and down.

I'm still processing it. I'm not -- it's not, like, hit me yet, but I'm still processing it.

Anything my kids ask for I can actually get it for them, and I don't have to tell them no.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you going to tell them no, though?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

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GUILFOYLE: Very cute. I love it.

FRANCIS: OK. My turn. So I don't know if any of you guys out there know this, but I knew this guy before you guys knew this guy, before you guys knew this guy, Eric Bolling, when he was the man in the pits at the New York Mercantile Exchange. I was the first reporter to be live on the floor there. He was already the man.

And they used to say to me, "Why is the price of natural gas going down today," and I would say, "Because Eric is selling it. Everyone around the pit follows exactly what he's doing."

And they said to me, "Why don't you put this guy, Eric, on television? Ask him on TV?" I was the first person to put you on television, so you can love me if you love him and blame me if you hate him. But this goes way back. I don't know if people out there know the street cred you had and that you had a whole other really successful tremendous career.

BOLLING: Were you the first? You were my first?

GUILFOYLE: Quick, check out this new song, please, on iTunes released today. It's called "Hearts I Leave Behind," by the Pete Scobell Band, featuring Winona Judd. It's a tribute song for the late Chris Kyle. A hundred percent of the proceeds will go to the Chris Kyle Frog Foundation. So check it out.

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