'The Five' debate President Obama's priorities

President blind to threat from terrorism?


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 12, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling and she drinks soup from a contact lens, it's Perino. This is "The Five."

So last night, I had this nightmare. It was of a president who believes the media overstates the alarm people have about the threat of terrorism over threat of climate change.


MATTHEW YGLESIAS, EXECUTIVE EDITOR OF VOX: Do you think the media sometimes overstates the sort of level of alarm people should have about terrorism and this kind of chaos as opposed to a longer-term problem of climate change, epidemic disease?



GUTFELD: It's almost as if the president's saying, as he seems to be implying here, that the threat of climate change is greater than the threat of terrorism.


JONATHAN KARL, ABC NEWS: As the president is saying, as he seems to be implying here, that the threat of climate change is greater than the threat of terrorism.

JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I think Jon, would the point that the president is making is that there are many more people on -- on an annual basis who have to confront the impact -- the direct impact -- on their lives of climate change or on the spread of a disease than on terrorism.


GUTFELD: So the media's ignoring global warming? The same media that blames it for tiny sheep, increased shark and cougar attacks, cow infertility and even global cooling.

You think maybe this absurd obsession is why our president missed ISIS? That's not a cold front, it's a mass of marauding fiends. Those aid workers didn't lose their heads to drizzle.

Fact is, if climate change is a huge threat, what do you do about it? We know the temperature models were wrong, as we're now in a two-decade pause. Scientists dispute both cause and harm. Sorry, that 97 percent consensus was bunk. Exaggeration occurs when facts escape you.

But with terror, you know what to do. The threat is palpable. We see the forecasts every day and it's 90 percent bloody with a 50 percent chance of beheading.

So, why climate change? Well, it's an ideology built for American blame. If the villain isn't the West, then why bother with unrest? The result: snow blindness, where our president calls Yemen a success, right before our embassy evacuates and says ISIS morale is low, as their forces grow.

Seriously, how does Obama miss all these storms? He is not just a weak president, he is a crumbier weatherman.

Alright, before we talk about this weird contrast of global warming and terror, later in the show, Eric has this amazing tape of a President Obama be clowning himself with buzz feed and he be clowned himself, this is our president of the United States, Eric. There is hell going on, hell is spreading across the planet and this is the leader of the free world.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: But this -- it keeps happening.

GUTFELD: It's amazing.


BOLLING: It's happening between two ferns, then the -- you know, the girl with the green lipstick.

GUILFOYLE: (Inaudible) favorite.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: My favorite.

BOLLING: And then you talk about some of the terrorist things that are going on simultaneously. Not so sure this is a good idea. All of them -- but I would tell you, I -- listen to some of the other networks and they thought it was a brilliant strategy to reach young people.

GUTFELD: Yes, they could, those millennial (inaudible).

PERINO: Reaching them with a selfie stick?

GUTFELD: Yeah, that's amazing. Because, you know everybody loves selfie sticks. You know, somebody is walking in front of you down in Times Square, oh, it's wonderful. It is idiotic, Kimberly. Wait, I gonna focus back on the monologue?


GUTFELD: I'm sorry, there seems to be an unchangeable ideology.

GUILFOYLE: The AccuWeather forecast?


GUILFOYLE: Yes, yes, yes.

GUTUFELD: They focus on one threat in such a way that it blinds them to see the actual real threats in front of them.

GUILFOYLE: Well, the problem is he doesn't want to deal with terrorism. It's not fun to him. It's not sexy. Weather is. Weather is where his constituency lies. So, he would prefer to be the weatherman news at 11, instead of the commander in chief. That's the disconnect and it keeps presenting itself over and over again. He's consistent about it. He doesn't want us distracted or panicked about terrorists. He wants us to focus on the global picture which includes climate change and it is just -- you could actually not even write a show that would have this as a script 'cause everyone would say this is not believable that a president would act in this way.

GUTFELD: You know Dana, we have --

GUILFOYLE: Right? And they would say this is not gonna sell.

BOLLING: I will say global, instead of -- AccuWeather, accuterror (ph).


BOLLING: And maybe he might sign on to it. Maybe he gets involved.

GUTFELD: Accuterror. (ph) That's Pretty good idea, I'm stealing that.

BOLLING: It's yours.

GUTFELD: Dana -- Libya, Syria, Russia, ISIS, major foreign policy crisis. How can you miss all of these if the only explanation is, it's not that important to you?

PERINO: He does seem to really want to down play the terror threat so that he can make -- maybe in his way, he is trying to this reassure everybody that you know, look, we've got this, you don't have to worry about this terrorism thing. The problem for this is that it provides fodder for those who do not believe that he is serious about fighting terror and the war.


PERINO: But if he thinks that it's more important than terror -- yesterday, he proposed legislation to the Congress for an authorization to use military force to fight a terrorist group, he has not put forward and asked the Congress, even when he had the Democrats there for six years, to vote on a climate bill. And if that really is his biggest concern, you would think he would try to introduce legislation.

GUTFELD: I don't get it. You know Bob, these issues to me, rhetorically, are interchangeable. Like if you took President Obama's rhetoric, replaced climate change with terror, it would be a conservative speech, and if you took a conservative speech and replaced terror with climate change, you would be able to see the difference from Obama. Follow?

GUILFOYLE: Scrabble.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Not a word.

GUTFELD: Alright. Will answer whatever question you thought you heard.

BECKEL: First, on the climate thing, I think it does require worldwide, you know, people signing up, China won't do it, and others won't. So it's hard to push climate legislation without some partners in it, one. But two, I have to believe in it, I mean when I get in an argument about it, I have to believe climate change is, in the long run --

BOLLING: Warming.

BECKEL: Look, I say climate change.

BOLLING: I know, but that is such BS. Everyone agrees that climate change is, Bob. So -- the debate is the climate becoming more volatile because of man-made carbon being emitted into the -- into the atmosphere globally? Yes or no? And if -- if you want to lay it on this three, one hundredths of a degree over 100 years, it's just a BS, we -- we've proven his way, it's all BS.

GUILFOYLE: Depends who is paying you. That's where your answer comes.

BOLLING: Sorry Bob, go ahead. I didn't mean it to you.

BECKEL: No it's fine. I -- I pass.

(CROSSTALK) BOLLING: The climate change, yes, the climate change. Can we call what it is? They want to call it global warming, they didn't like, didn't work, so they changed to climate change and that doesn't seem to work either.

BECKEL: Well --

GUTFELD: Well Bob, let me go to this. I want -- I have some sound on tape of President Obama talking about the sinking morale of the ISIS fighters juxtapose with someone who might know something about it.


OBAMA: We've seen reports of sinking morale among ISIS fighters as they realize the futility of their cause.

NICHOLAS RASMUSSEN, DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL COUNTERTERRORISM CENTER: The rate of foreign fighter travel that we've seen in recent years is unprecedented. It exceeds the rate of travel and travelers who went to Afghanistan, Pakistan. You have Iraq, Yemen or Somalia.


GUTFELD: Alright, Bob, why is he so off like -- off the reservation when it comes to this stuff?

BECKEL: Well, let me just have a word here, I could about this. You know, I don't think that you could say that ISIS -- I don't know how you know whether morale is low, because they don't actually have people inside to say, how you feeling.

GUTFELD: Good point.

BECKEL: Have you -- have you written --

GUILFOYLE: Their psychologists told them.

BECKEL: Have you written on their mom and said, please go wait (ph) PERINO: On the scale of 1 to 10, are you feeling stressed?

BECKEL: What? Am I feeling stressed?

PERINO: No. Asking ISIS, like -- in terms of morale?

BECKEL: I don't think so stressed. I -- I'm feeling stressed, personally. But, that's because I do worry about climate change and the --

GUILFOYLE: Who cares about climate change? It's so off-base. It's like the man -- it's like the United States of America is on the operating table and we need open heart surgery and he's worried about the hangnail on the pinky. That's the problem.


GUILFOYLE: Focus. He is like a giant dose of Adderall.

GUTFELD: Alright Bob, I'm gonna go to you again.


GUTFELD: I got to get you to finish the sentence. There's a Fox News poll, you love those.

BECKEL: Yes, Yes I do.

GUTFELD: 73 percent say President Obama has no clear strategy to defend ISIS. Would you say that to fair assessment, or no?

BECKEL: I agree he doesn't defend ISIS. The -- does he have --

PERINO: A strategy.

BECKEL: Yeah, a strategy.


GUILFOYLE: It's such a waste of time.

BECKEL: I think that it's a constantly -- listen, do I have to answer all these questions?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. You don't have an answer, do you see?

BECKEL: Wait a second, I have an answer on few things but you guys --

GUILFOYLE; No, you don't.

BECKEL: As soon as I mention global climate -- whatever it is --


BECKEL: You guys get all upset and you got freaked out. I was just trying merely to talk about the topic in the monologue.


BECKEL: I didn't quite notice anyway. But, is there a strategy? I think they're probably is one building.

GUTFELD: OK, that's good, that's good. And I want to go to that same poll, Dana. 54 percent of Democrats don't think President Obama has a strategy. That's its own party.

BECKEL: Nothing gets by you.


BECKEL: Nothing. GUILFOYLE: That was your best comment. Best line of his life.

BOLLING: That is the line -- OK Bob, so far.

GUILFOYLE: And it came at 9 minutes of 23 seconds after the hour.

BECKEL: That's -- well, go ahead.

PERINO: It's possible with this new focus on the authorization to use military force.


PERINO: And he asked the Congress to pass -- yesterday, that now maybe that poll would change a little bit, so that everyone in the Democratic Party that gets their talking points to.


PERINO: From the administration. Like the DNC information would say, Oh well OK, I guess he has a plan. One of the problems they ran into today is that there is bipartisan opposition to it, for different reasons, but there's so much opposition. I just go back to I don't think the administration even needed to ask for it, they've been operating against ISIS since July or August, without a different authorization to use military force and, I think that they will continue to regardless of Congress passing one or not.

GUTFELD: Yes. Bob is raising his hand.

BECKEL: I've been coming about this. I -- I think you are exactly right. You know, you if you put a bill like that up there and you're gonna bring out every kind of attachment and rider on that, it has anything to do with world problems. And I'll tell you why they did that, when they didn't have to exactly right. Is -- look, if he'll do what he does by executive order on other things, God knows he can keep doing this so --

GUILFOYLE: But he doesn't want to.

BECKEL: I don't know why -- I don't know. But I don't know why you open yourself up in this kind of things that happen.

GUILFOYLE: He'd rather send this up and make, like, gigantic cankles on it, instead. And say --

BECKEL: Giant what?


BECKEL: What's a cankles?

GUILFOYLE: Like a fat ankle.

BECKEL: Does it sore.

GUTFELD: Yeah, it's a fat ankle.

BECKEL: Oh, I see.

GUILFOYLE: That's what he did.


BOLLING: You can't tell where the calf ends and ankle begins. It's a cankle.

BECKEL: I see.

GUILFOYLE: Some mass, its writers (ph) some strapped on to the side.

GUTFELD: Let's talk about what's going on in -- Yemen right now.


BECKEL: Yes, today --

GUTFELD: We got -- we got the -- this is President Obama talking about how the success of Yemen and then we'll talk about -- what's happening now.


OBAMA: The strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us while supporting partners on the frontlines is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years.


GUTFELD: So, Eric, now, we're -- a part of an ordered departure? U.S. marines had to destroy their heavy weapons?

GUILFOYLE: Unbelievable.

BOLLING: That -- it's not that Yemen is in shambles, because it is, and it's not President Obama. He was actually trying to take credit for it not being in shambles at some point. It's been a disaster for 20 years.


BOLLING: It's no better than it was 20 years ago. It's a government less country, without a -- sponsor of terror, training of terror. Finally, they stopped that pirating ships as they pass Yemen, but it -- it's still, it's never been good. I don't know why you continue to take credit for things before. Remember, al-Qaeda is on the run. GM is -- is fine. And you know everything is opposite in this world.

PERINO: One of the reasons the polls might be as high as they are, wondering if they have a plan. If today, as it has unfolding in Yemen, the president's senior counterterrorism official acknowledged that U.S. Intelligence was surprised by the collapse of the U.S. backed government in Yemen. But it was just five months ago, that the president held it up as an example, that in Somalia, as an example as a way to have Muslims -- you know, governing a democracy.

BECKEL: You know, if there ever was a time, it's -- there was a time you have a serious primetime speech and lay this stuff out --

PERINO: Oh, no, please.

BECKEL: No, I know you said but someone --

PERINO: He gives so many speeches and he says nothing. He is gonna give a speech and he has to say -- you have some of a plan.

GUILFOYLE: A plan. BECKEL: Wait a minute, I was just gonna say --

PERINO: I know, sorry.

BECKEL: That's, but --

GUILFOYLE: You're doing the best you can, but they -- just like --

BECKEL: No, I -- I can't even --

GUILFOYLE: Verbal filibuster nonsense is like constipation, I just can't take it, you know, it's bad.

BECKEL: Filibuster what?

GUILFOYLE: You know he's wrong, too. Give it up. Just say --

(LAUGHTER) BECKEL: What did I do today? I'm a wounded guy.

BOLLING: Is it what it is, Bob. You are wounded, because there is no -- no defending it.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, you got shrapnel in the leg.

BOLLING: Kimberly point out stoutly, you're doing -- you're doing your best, but, at some point -- it gonna go --

BECKEL: I think -- I think --

BOLLING: This fight is unwinnable.

BECKEL: They believe they have a strategy. And there is one, and I would get out and say it once and for all. But, it might not happen. But I suggest that they do something.

PERINO: Right.

BECKEL: Because otherwise, they come in and these see (ph) and try it out.

PERINO: I'm sure they would love that.

BECKEL: Yeah. I know you get invited to Christmas parties.


GUILFOYLE: Please come up with a strategy, so Bob can get re-invited to the Christmas party?

GUTFELD: It's hard to have a strategy when you're an Islamic terror denier.


GUTFELD: The president is.

PERINO: Accuterror threat?

GUTFELD: Accuterror, which is -- yes.

PERINO: Up next.

GUTFELD: There you go. OK. He's got a war against ISIS to run, but our commander in chief just took some time off for some selfies. And he admires himself in the mirror. We got the tape, unbelievable.


GUILFOYLE: Well, it's highly unusual for the head of the FBI to make remarks about race. But today, Director James Comey waded into the national debate over the relationship between law enforcement and minorities in America.


JAMES COMEY, FBI DIRECTOR: We are at a crossroads. Unfortunately, in places like Ferguson and New York City and in some communities across this nation, there is a disconnect between police agencies and the citizens they serve, predominantly in communities of color.


GUILFOYLE: In the speech titled, Hard Truths, Comey defended police while acknowledging some bias in America, but not just in the law enforcement community.


COMEY: Many people in our white majority culture have unconscious racial biases and react differently to a white face than a black face. A racial bias isn't epidemic in law enforcement anymore, than it is epidemic in academia or the arts. In fact, I believe law enforcement overwhelmingly attracts people who want to do good for a living, people who risk their lives, because they want to help other people. They don't sign up to be cops in New York or Chicago or L.A. to help white people, or black people or Hispanic people or Asian people. They sign up because they want to help all people.


GUILFOYLE: So true and he ought to know, working in law enforcement. Anybody who has experience in it knows the fine men and women that serve in the police departments across this country, they care about communities, they care about neighborhoods and safety, regardless of skin color. They want to make it a better place for schools, homes, everything for people to have. Greg, what do you think about his comments?

GUTFELD: Well, I mean, it's why New York City, despite certain controversies are a success. There are pathways to careers in law enforcement for minorities, half -- over I think -- over half of the force is made up of minorities.

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: That kind of solution scares radicals, because if it -- it destroys the narrative that there is a white versus black revolution or -- a war going on, and once you have -- you know blacks and Hispanics in the police force, you can no longer have that story. And that's why that important -- that story has to grow -- removing that idea. The radical left needs racial unrest, to perpetuate their revolution which has failed under previous ruses. So, now they are relying on racial unrest for their radical warfare, Bob?


GUTFELD: I was talking about your people.

BECKEL: Let me say something -- that is serious note about this one. I think what he said here was very, very important. I think he's right, that in this country, there probably are a larger percentage of people outside the police force that have either unconscious or conscious racial sensitivity. Police officers from the beginning are now trained for this kind of thing, they're -- they're much more sensitive to working in minority communities, because most of the people who have that kind of bias, don't go to minority communities, and these guys do all the time. I think probably you're going to find that that statement maybe the truest of all statement of this whole debate, that you will find fewer people who have any racial bias in the police department because they are trained and sensitized to it.

GUILFOYLE: I'm going to throw to this and get Eric to respond, I think this is a really compelling statement that James Comey makes when he gives the explanation, the truth about the root cause of problems in minority communities. Take a listen.


COMEY: So many young men of color become part of that life -- officer's life experience, because so many minority families and communities are struggling. So many boys and young men grow up in environment lacking role models, adequate education. Young people in those neighborhoods, too often inherit a legacy of crime and prison. We must speak the truth about our shortcomings as law enforcement and fight to get better. But as a country, we must also speak the truth to ourselves. Law enforcement is not the root cause of the problems in our hardest hit neighborhoods.


GUILFOYLE: So true. Eric?

BOLLING: So he is pointing out something that we've talked quite a bit, a quite extensibly here, the role of the father in the black community, that's number one. Number two, education -- an emphasis on education, keeping young black children in school, thru high school, into college, whether President Obama's free community college, maybe that will help because, at certain areas of the economic spectrum, people wouldn't be able to afford it, maybe that will make -- make things a little bit better. I will tell you one thing that I'm -- he did also point out at some of the disconnect between law enforcement and the communities of color, it is the way he puts it, it -- could be addressed by -- in this New York City at least, by the mayors. The people who are administrating the cities, getting law enforcement together with communities of color, whereas, here in some major cities, you have mayors who are putting -- actually looking for a racial divide, looking for the divide between the communities, pointing their finger at law enforcement for some things going wrong, when some of the things he just pointed out might solve the problem.

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely, and you see the disconnect just in New York City with our Mayor de Blasio and the men and women in blue who don't see race, they wear the uniform to serve all, turning their backs on someone that they feel does not support them or share the same viewpoints that they do.

PERINO: Right. So, unfortunately, for President Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder and Bill de Blasio, the mayor of New York, just to take those three examples. Because of what happened the last six months with Ferguson and the other situation here with the cop in Staten Island, that was not indicted after that --

GUILFOYLE: Eric Garner.

PERINO: Eric Garner was killed. You have in James Comey, a very non- political FBI director. And just -- just so happens sometimes that you get the right leader at the right time for the organization that needs it, and I think that that is true for him. Not just on this issue but recently on cyber security and cyber terrorism, he has been a voice on that. We have actually delayed this clip several times from his 60 minutes interview. He also, was able to talk about the root causes in a way that was not polarizing at all. It didn't offend anyone to hear somebody say -- to talk about school choice. On the free community college thing, I do think there is unfortunately, this idea that government needs to grow in order to help some of these problems. The truth is there is already an ability for children that qualify for Pell Grants, which would be the same as the free community college idea as President Obama. They are not talking about reducing Pell Grants they're talking about adding more. I think that the solution does not lie in building government up more, it's maybe making government work better, but it actually the family and I cannot remember exactly where I found it. There is a new academic paper that I read last night, because I was here to a lot of waiting for the Megyn Kelly show. And it was about employment statistics in black households and the well being and safety of the children of those households, and I will put it out on Twitter after this, we'll give it to the Five's Facebook page. That connection is something that hopefully, the next presidential election can be -- can have a spotlight focused on it.

GUTFELD: Take --

BECKEL: One of the things we -- I'm sorry.

GUTFELD: Well, I just want to add to the -- to what the de Blasio thing. Under de Blasio murder is up 18.2 percent, shootings are up 22.5 percent. Is it coincidence that is happening after the end of stop and frisk? None of these crimes are happening in the upper west side where his white liberal supporters who voted him in are experiencing this kind of suffering. It's happening in areas where the police help and save -- usually save lives.

BECKEL: Let's go to the -- I have said this before and taken a lot of heat from my own side on it that, what we try to do with all the government programs we did were very well intentioned. The problem is, there is not an infrastructure and family to take them, then you are not going to be able to -- what we did was, did it with all the right intentions, wanted to give them housing, wanted to give them money to support themselves and usually those a missing father and there wasn't a structure in a community to handle this. And so, you can't keep building and building and building it until you figure out some way to build up a family.

GUILFOYLE: You're right. Bob?

GUTFELD: There was a way.

GUILFOYLE: Just leave it there. That was excellent. Don't move. Because up next on The Five, the man in the mirror, and not Michael Jackson. President Obama is the star of a new selfie video that you're going to want to stick around to see. Trust me. Stay tuned.


BOLLING: Sometimes you don't even need to intro a segment. Ladies and gentlemen behold, your president of the United States.



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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Like any other Wednesday.


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Thanks, Obama.

Thanks, Obama.

Pretty good.

OBAMA: That's pretty good.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Seconds left in the game. Down by one. He gets it.

Mr. President?

OBAMA: Can I live (ph)?


OBAMA: Yolo, man. All right.


BOLLING: Yolo, man. Well, it was the intro portion of the BuzzFeed interview with President Obama. At least we found out exactly once again exactly what President O. is good at. BuzzFeed, "Between Two Ferns," late- night talk show, he rocks those. Fighting terrorism, not so much.

So, Greg, we ran two minutes, the whole thing. A record.

GUTFELD: You know, when I'm looking for a world leader, I don't need a forceful adult who's fearless in the face of great challenges. I want a charming goofball who can hang with the millennials, who knows all the phrases that have already been worn out. So adorable.

You know, he has Brian Williams' complex. He's so unhappy with his boring job as leader of the free world. He really just wants to entertain, and he's such an entertainer. Islamic State, they put heads on a stake. He puts cameras on a stick.

BOLLING: Very good.

K.G.? Yolo, you only live once.


BECKEL: Is that what that means?

BOLLING: Can you imagine...


BOLLING: Can you imagine all the stuff that's going on and there's some director in a room going, "OK, Mr. President, now go like this. Stick your tongue out like this."

GUILFOYLE: I mean, it's ridiculous. Here, OK, GloZell Green, with like the Froot Loops. And now this. And Pimp with a Limp. I mean, where do you end and begin with this? All I can think about is can you imagine, you know, Bibi Netanyahu and Vladimir Putin watching this going, "Yes."


GUILFOYLE: Or ISIS. That's why they were caught by surprise with Yemen. That's what got the problem here in Iraq with the base. I don't know what to tell you.

BOLLING: What did he say?

GUILFOYLE: Tell them what you said.

BECKEL: I think it's a great right-wing conspiracy, that that is not Obama. That is not Obama. That's somebody who -- I'm not going to pass.

GUILFOYLE: No, you literally said to us, "That's not Obama."

BECKEL: Oh, bask. Vast right-wing conspiracy. I'll now pass.

BOLLING: You like the popcorn?

BECKEL: The popcorn's great.


PERINO: I would suggest that, if you want to preserve the dignity of the office of the United States president, then you really must clean the mirror before the president makes silly faces.


Perino: It's like disgusting. It's like there's hand prints.

GUILFOYLE: Wow. That's your takeaway?

PERINO: Well, I'm trying to be kind.

BOLLING: So, are we seeing a changing of the guard? Is the -- is the office not going to be as dignified as it used to be?

PERINO: Well, I think that they would say it is perfectly dignified, and we're just having a little fun. Come on, the thing is that we do one of these once a week. It's like he's having so much fun...

GUTFELD: It's a problem of timing.

GUILFOYLE: Can we switch bowls?

GUTFELD: There's a whole group of people killing people, and he's mugging. That's the issue.

PERINO: If you're in Ukraine and you're thinking the president said he needs some time to work on this and he's going to think about whether or not to send us some arms so we can protect ourselves against Putin's army, even though there's this so-called peace agreement that's going to take place four days from now, wouldn't you think there's nobody on my side? Does the president of the United States not care?

GUILFOYLE: Why aren't they advising him this isn't a good idea?

PERINO: Didn't you hear at the end, if you go to the end of the video, everyone goes, "Ha, ha, ha, ha." And they all help him. They cheer him on, like this is so funny and so cute.

GUILFOYLE: Because they're all enablers. They should go to, like, Co- Dependents Anonymous.

BECKEL: Well, I know a little bit about that.

GUILFOYLE: You agree?

BECKEL: But I'm not so sure -- you know, you lighten things up a little bit; you don't take it too seriously.

BOLLING: A little?

BECKEL: The best I could do.

BOLLING: A little?

I mean...

GUILFOYLE: Eat the popcorn, Bob. It's better.

BOLLING: About four or five things are pretty soft. And by the way, the interview that followed wasn't exactly hard-hitting either.

PERINO: Well, the other thing is, it comes on the heels of Melissa Harris- Perry asking the attorney general...

GUILFOYLE: Quack like a duck.

PERINO: ... to quack like a duck, because that's what they nickname him and thankfully, he was smart enough just to say, "I think I'm going to pass on that one."

BOLLING: All right, we're going to -- all good? Ready to go?



GUILFOYLE: Oh, you just spit it out of your mouth into the bowl.

BOLLING: Popcorn flying everywhere.

GUILFOYLE: Switch this one.

BOLLING: Ahead, Senator and Republican Joni Ernst...


BOLLING: ... defends her military service after a columnist at the very liberal "Huffington Post" called it into question. That's coming up next.



PERINO: She's one of the GOP's newest stars. Senator Joni Ernst made history this November as the first woman from Iowa to be elected to Congress. She gave the Republican response to the president's State of the Union address last month and mentioned her service in the U.S. Military.


SEN. JON ERNST (R), IOWA: We've been reminded of terrorism's reach, both at home and abroad.

For two decades, I've proudly worn our nation's uniform. Today, as a lieutenant colonel in the Iowa Army National Guard, while deployed overseas with some of the America's finest men and women, I've seen just how dangerous these kinds of threats can be.


PERINO: Ernst recently came under attack by one "Huffington Post" columnist, who questioned her service, writing, "Senator Ernst calls herself a combat veteran at every turn. She can say this because she served in a combat zone, but her unit was never in a firefight or, for that matter, attacked at all. She's betraying the code of honor she lets people think she stands for."

The senator issued a statement this week in response, saying, "I am very proud of my service and by law, I am defined as a combat veteran. What I've claimed is that I have served in a combat zone. Just because I'm not an infantrymen and I wasn't kicking in doors, I don't believe I'm less of a player."

So Greg, this has come to light. And now, again, it's just one "Huffington Post" columnist, but this stuff gets around. What do you think?

GUTFELD: Yes. Well, here's the important point: Joni Ernst is telling the truth. This is not a matter of opinion, according to the military definition of combat. This is -- like the "Huffington Post" treated this as an opinion piece. This is just purely dishonest.

She fulfills the military definition. It almost -- it's almost as though the columnist would have changed his mind if she had been maimed, if she had been injured, then it would have been OK. But the fact that she's got all of her limbs and she's OK, he's saying, like, "Well, maybe it's no big deal."

You know, the biggest danger this Huff Po blogger has is that the parents are going to turn down the thermostat in his basement. Although he is probably an older guy, so he might not live in the basement. He might live in the attic or the garage.

PERINO: This type of attack, Bob, what would you have expected? Given how competitive that Senate race was last year, isn't this an attack that would have come out during the campaign if it were true, I mean, if there were any merit to it?

BECKEL: And by the way, there's nothing wrong with my attic. It's nice up there.

GUTFELD: I bet it is.

BECKEL: The -- this is kind of thing where you start stepping into somebody's background, unless you've got a bad ear piece, unless you've got a clear and compelling piece of information that says this is wrong...


BECKEL: ... then it is a waste of time. I mean, I used to have campaigns where people would come and throw stuff over the transom. Something that was just absolutely wrong. I'd say prove it. We'll use it. If it was bad, prove it more. But it makes no sense to me at all. I don't get it.

From a political standpoint, I can think of a lot more things to criticize them for. By the way, I thought her delivery was not very good on that speech.

PERINO: Well, she's a brand-new senator. And you know, that takes a little practice.

GUTFELD: She should have had a selfie stick. She should have had a selfie stick, and then put on sunglasses.

PERINO: That would have helped.

BOLLING: ... time.

BECKEL: And Jindal would...

PERINO: Make some funny faces in the mirror.


PERINO: Everybody would adore her.

Do you think that she was attacked, Kimberly, by this one blogger because - - is there some hatred against women?

GUILFOYLE: Perhaps, in part, because she was a woman? It makes him look small and unimportant and makes her look much larger, you know, in comparison.

She -- everything she said was factually accurate. She did serve in an area that was officially categorized, right, that she was able to get hazardous pay duty. Doesn't matter. Is it unless she took shrapnel to the leg and kicked in doors like Rambo, then what? What's your point? Did you serve? That's what I ask.

PERINO: Do you think, Eric, if she had been a Democrat that she would have suffered the same type of attack by this guy?

BOLLING: I don't know. I'm not sure it's even that. I think the guy's trying to -- in light of what happened with Brian Williams, fact checking, maybe he's trying to do the same thing, make a name for himself. But the problem is...

GUILFOYLE: But she's a Republican, too.

BOLLING: Well, OK. It only made it even better for him to be able to write the story, because he was attacking an up-and-coming Republican senator.

She did -- the way I understand it, she did -- she was in Kuwait moving supplies, transport vehicles, supplies from Kuwait to Iraq. You're going to tell me that's not dangerous in and of itself, let alone roadside bombs?

GUILFOYLE: It's officially designated a combat zone.

BOLLING: Just because she wasn't firing a gun...


BOLLING: ... doesn't mean she didn't see combat. And it's been designated.

PERINO: All right. We've got to run.

BECKEL: The average number of people who shoot their weapons at an enemy during a war, World War II, was less than 15 percent.

PERINO: All right, Bob.


PERINO: A fountain of information.

GUILFOYLE: What a comeback.

PERINO: Next on "The Five," some very sad news, "60 Minutes" correspondent Bob Simon was killed yesterday in a car crash in New York City. We will remember the media veteran and look back at his distinguished career, ahead.



SCOTT PELLEY, CBS NEWS ANCHOR: We have some sad news tonight from within our CBS News family. Our "60 Minutes" news colleague Bob Simon was killed this evening. It was a car accident in New York City.

Tonight, our thoughts are with Tanya and Bob's family and his many, many friends. Our colleague, Bob Simon of "60 Minutes," was 73 years old.


BECKEL: Last night, Scott Pelley fought back tears while announcing the passing of his colleague, Bob Simon. The 73-year-old "60 Minutes" correspondent was killed yesterday in a car crash in New York City. The livery cab he was riding in hit another car and then struck a metal barricade.

Simon had a five-decade career, covering most major overseas conflicts and news stories. Let's look back at some of his reporting.


BOB SIMON, "60 MINUTES" CORRESPONDENT: Vietnam is more isolated today than it was 10 or 15 years ago.

This is Israel's most advanced position on the southern front.

These officers in the hills say they needed this cease-fire. They were running out of ammunition. They were running out of energy.

If you've ever wanted to know what a revolution looks like, feast your eyes on Manila tonight.

In Hollywood, the movie she's directed about Martin Luther King and the civil rights struggle in Selma has attracted both lavish praise and considerable controversy.


BECKEL: All right. Let's go around quickly. We don't have a whole lot of time, but anybody have a particular story or memory?

BOLLING: Just very quickly, I -- one of the most respected people, just from a viewers' standpoint, everything he said you listened to, you believed. He was taken hostage for 40 days at one point, too. You remember that? He survived that, as well. So again, thoughts and prayers to the CBS family and his family.

BECKEL: Did you ever run across him when you were in the White House?

PERINO: No, but I -- we spent some time with Scott Pelley, and so watching Scott Pelley last night, I thought that it was impressive that he held together, but he showed so much emotion in his eyes.

Just last weekend, when I was -- when my husband and I watched "60 Minutes" and we watched that piece on "Selma," and I said to my husband, that "That guy is -- he's an amazing guy. His career is incredible." Because I can remember as a kid on Sunday nights -- this is the sound you didn't like, because it signaled school. I loved the sound of the "60 Minutes" clock, because I was like, "Oh, it's '60 Minutes' coming on," and that was my Sunday night transition. And I've watched it for years, loved the program, and it's a big loss to journalism.

BECKEL: Absolutely. Greg.

GUTFELD: He, unlike some, he actually led a life of real, honest danger. His exploits were real.

And it says something about the way he passed. And it's a note, I guess, that the only -- I always try to look for some service journalism about this, a note to tourists that driving in New York is pretty dangerous. And I don't know the particulars here, if there were seatbelts or no seatbelts, but I know that when I'm in the back of a car, whether it's a cab or a car service, I never -- I never buckle up, because I just never think about it. And I don't know if that had anything to do with it. There's a strange false sense of security when someone else is driving, and I think a lot of people forget about that.

It's just ironic that this guy has endured so many things -- hostage crisis and wars...

PERINO: War zone.

GUTFELD: ... and he died on the West Side Highway.

GUILFOYLE: Unbelievable. I was just on the West Side Highway yesterday when we got the information coming in. I mean, I love this guy. I think he was such an incredibly compelling journalist. He made you feel like you were right there with him in the middle of these conflicts.

And like you, too, Dana, I watched "60 Minutes," even as a young girl, like, growing up. And I used to watch to love to sit there in front of the TV, watch "60 Minutes," some nights with a burrito. And it was just, like, the best time. I loved it.

BECKEL: Just very quickly, I'm going to say that this time, this is not an indirect shot or a direct shot at Brian Williams, but this is a guy is a guy that never bragged about what he did and always told it the way it was.

All right. Let's go. OK. Let's go. Our condolences go out to Bob Simon's family and his CBS family. "One More Thing" is up next.


GUTFELD: "One More Thing" -- Eric.

BOLLING: OK. So our colleague, Ainsley Earhart, scored an interview with Tim Tebow. He doesn't do a lot of these. It's going to air on "FOX & Friends" tomorrow morning. It's about his Night to Shine, where Tebow sponsors special-needs kids who may not get invited to high-school proms. Churches across the states, I think 26 states, 41 churches or so, offering a prom night for special-needs kids. Here's a little piece of it.

GUILFOYLE: Love it. So sweet.


TIM TEBOW, PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL PLAYER: For me, faith is No. 1, and -- and a way of showing my faith is through loving other people. You know, so, so many times, Christianity and the gospel and everything can get so cluttered. But, you know, I try to keep it very simple: to love God and love other people, and that's really what our foundation stands for. We want to love other people. We want to build other people up.


BOLLING: It's a great program. Check it out tomorrow morning, "FOX & Friends."

GUTFELD: He's a terrible guy. He's like the greatest human being.

All right, KEG.

GUILFOYLE: OK, thank you so much. So in other news, Rosie O'Donnell said good-bye and farewell to "The View" and hello to sunny Florida, where she'll be vacationing with her family. Today was her final day, saying good-bye. She made the comeback in August. This was her second chance, and she thanked Barbara Walters for another opportunity to be able to come back to the show.

But take a look at this very funny Jimmy Kimmel tape.


JIMMY KIMMEL, HOST, ABC'S "JIMMY KIMMEL LIVE!": Rosie said she's leaving to focus on her health. She said her doctors were concerned about all the stress that working an hour a day.

If you are upset that she's leaving again, here's an item that just might cheer you up.

ANNOUNCER: The "Rosie O'Donnell Leaving 'The View'" commemorative plates, chronicling both of her classic exits. And as a bonus, you will receive a third plate, depicting Rosie's next exit from "The View" in the year 2023.


GUILFOYLE: My gosh. Very cute. And then you got, if you buy it now, you got this whole other thing with, like, Whoopi Goldberg, you know, which is kind of funny. Anyway, hope she enjoys the time with her family.


PERINO: OK. So who says you can't teach a grandma new tricks? Check out this lady in Italy, 84 years old. Never bowled in her life. And this is what happened when she went.






PERINO: All right. I'm happy for her. Bob, I know you like to bowl. Maybe we could go do that one night.

BECKEL: Yes. Took me about 54 years to get that.

OK. The Democrats -- I bet you're all interested in this -- have decided to have their convention in Philadelphia. Last time they did that was 1948. The last convention in Philadelphia was the Republican George Bush in 2000. I think it's a good choice all the way around. I love Philadelphia, and I love sausage and peppers.

GUTFELD: Is that a nickname?

PERINO: Shouldn't it -- don't they have cheesesteaks?

BOLLING: Cheesesteaks, Philly.

BECKEL: They have cheesesteaks, but sausage and peppers is really good.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: All right. Real quick.



GUTFELD: Greg's Secret to Happiness, now with kittens.


GUTFELD: I'm not lying. There's nothing better than a box of kittens.

GUILFOYLE: Aww. That's actually like a basket.

BECKEL: Now, watch, they're going to fall in a river.

GUTFELD: I said I wanted a box of kittens, not a basket of kittens. Forget it. Just -- let's end this show.

BOLLING: No happy -- no happiness here.

GUTFELD: No, forget it. That's not happy. I don't want it...

GUILFOYLE: That's not happy?

GUTFELD: No, I said a box, not a basket. You're fired, whoever you are out there.

That's it for us. "Special Report" is next.

GUILFOYLE: That's normal.

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