This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 5, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."
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JAMES COMEY, FBI DIRECTOR: I have opened cases in every state except Alaska.
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GUILFOYLE: That was the director of the FBI, revealing the frightening news that his agency has opened cases on suspects who may be tied to ISIS in 49 U.S. states. Here's more from James Comey on the Islamist threat inside America.
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COMEY: We are focused keenly on who would be looking to travel to join this band of murderers, who will have come back from Iraq and Syria to the United States. We have opened cases all over the place focused on this threat and so it is not a New York thing, it's not a Washington thing. It's something we focused on throughout the FBI.
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GUILFOYLE: Eric, are you surprised by the candidacy that the transparency of the director saying that 49 states, that's really an alarming statistic.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Alarming, yes, surprised by the candidacy. No, happy that he's being as open. Remember, he did a 60 minutes interview a couple months ago, where he outlined some of the things they were doing. And it what really what it did was -- it made a lot of people realize how important what they do is. All the -- all the tracking that they are doing, all the cyber tracking that they are doing, I think it's fantastic. At that time -- and I agree now, I still say they need all the money they need, that we should continue to give them that fund, whatever they want to do. It is important to note that some of the areas that are the most vulnerable, our southern border, I don't care what you say, people will gonna say this is a right-wing talking point, it really is. Our southern border is vulnerable, people coming into Mexico and crossing the border, terrorists possibly and also our ports here. New York ports are very, very wide open. So, doesn't surprise me that they have open cases.
GUILFOYLE: Alright, Dana.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, in the page three of the Wall Street Journal today, there's an article, if you believe that, then I think that -- and I think most people would agree about what you said then we have to tell Congress that we want them to reauthorize then Patriot Act.
The FBI today, the other story on page three, Wall Street Journal is saying that they are very concerned that a portion of the Patriot Act, which is the 215 letters, which you'll know about, alright Kimberly.
PERINO: This is part of the -- this is -- the controversy that erupted after the questions about surveillance, and this is why this is a topic now and why it's becoming a heated one in Congress, except for, I hope, that what maybe what Comey is doing is trying to be as transparent as possible about the problem, so that he can say, please don't take away one of the tools. All these tools does, that they are talking about is, for example, let's say at a diner, they know somebody used a credit card. And they go to that diner and say, we need the record. The diner is not allowed to tell anybody that they have given the record, but that record allows them to track back to other financial transactions, to try to connect the dots. If we -- if we do not allow the FBI to continue to have that authority, we will have done America a great injustice.
GUILFOYLE: I agree with you wholeheartedly, alright, Greg.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well I mean, Comey said that there are what? 49 states and I believe Obama said, well at least it's not 57.
GUTFELD: So, that's the high point about it. This is not the only issue that we are facing though, not these western terrorists. The western -- the western terrorists are often the most competent ones, they are ones that pulled off most of the grizzliest (ph) crimes, the western-trained ones or the ones that come from the west. But if the media government academic complex that focuses on certain kinds of hate, which are directed against the chosen, agreed group in America. So, they happily ignore real hate, the kind of hate that results to death. For example, Islamists hate us, they bomb us. However, we are told as Americans, to mind our pronouns, to watch our language, for fear of creating some sort of Islamophobic atmosphere -- which is obviously absurd. We have a fifth column right now that is protecting evil under the accusation of Islamophobia. Last night, (ph) I would like to point out -- did anybody who ever thought that Snowden was a hero? Should be think -- rethinking this right now, because he went after the very same programs that we are using, to go after these.
PERINO: He made the program obsolete.
GUTFELD: Yes, he did.
PERINIO: So in some ways, we're starting from scratch.
GUTFELD: That he went back here and tried.
GUILFOYLE: Alright, let me get Bob, and --
BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: I'm sure with this -- if you listen to all what Comey said, when said you're the thing I'm not worried about as much. That they really don't have connections directly to ISIS, with these people in their basements who are -- putting together bombs and doing other stuff and they are very difficult to track. I'm sure he sent out a directive to every one of his 54 offices saying, we want you to begin to look for people who might have a problem with this -- we might have a problem with. And I think it's very much like what -- Hoover did with Germans. He sent a directive of all of his FBI offices, during World War II, let's look at Germans who are suspect, good thing to do.
PERINO: I just think that it's important that we try to understand what the experts are telling us of how these western jihadists are recruited. Let's say that you're a 17-year-old westerner and you're kind of intrigued, and you maybe do a little internet search. That ISIS is so sophisticated, that they can figure out a way to connect with you and take it offline to their little secret internet area. That's why people are frustrated with companies like Twitter and their -- I shouldn't say people are. There are some people in law enforcement and -- that are dealing with violent extremism that are frustrated with companies that are willing necessarily to cooperate as much as they would like, to try to help us find out these guys are in the basement because, it's fine to -- like kind of -- dismiss that? But, one of them could be successful.
BECKEL: That's the most dangerous.
GUTFELD: You know, they are harder --
BECKEL: They are harder to track.
GUTFELD: Really quite a good job. And don't knock on down people who happen to work in basements.
GUILFOYLE: Alright, let's talk about this. Let's talk what's happening right now in the world. We have a country of Jordan that is rallying around their king that is showing leadership and is decisive and is waging this war against ISIS, very determined in his focus and strong in his rhetoric.
These are some comments from our president of the United States -- our commander in chief, at a prayer breakfast today.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the crusades, the inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. This is not unique to one group or one religion. There is a tendency -- in us. A sinful tendency that can pervert and distort our faith.
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GUILFOYLE: Was that in part of the apology tour on behalf of ISIS, sold out in all states?
GUTFELD: Here's the -- here's the point, Here's the point.
GUTFELD: President Obama is absolutely right. However, he's talking about the 1100s. That's his defense. He had to find an example from 1,000 years ago. A guy was set on fire two days ago and our president says, well, you know, we did bad things 1,000 years ago. He needs to leave the White House and go back to a sit-in, because that is pure grad school activist lunacy, relativistic, BS, it's an absolutely embarrassing. Meanwhile, we have the real air Jordan fighting sorties -- flying sorties, makes him look so small.
BECKEL: Well you know, what this --
GUILFOYLE: Well, this -- yeah.
BECKEL: The thing -- the problem was -- I mean, historically, what he is saying? The worst time in the world to say it, I mean, like what? --
GUTFELD: Yes, that's what it is.
BECKEL: The timing of this is unbelievable.
GUILFOYLE: It's unbelievable. (ph)
BECKEL: The other thing is, I want to take something back here, and so my friend Eric. I notice that Jordanians flew over 100 sorties in the first day out and found targets, apparently, I hope targets. So, I probably underestimated the number of targets there were for us to hit, so.
BOLLING: So, you know sometimes President Obama will say something and it kind of percolates a little bit and you wait, and all of a sudden, a couple days later, everyone kind of realizes what he said. When he said those comments this morning, the hair on the back of my neck stood up, because I know -- I know this is one that's gonna go down, that's gonna follow him throughout the rest of his presidency and throughout his legacy because, he
-- he didn't just go over the line, he pole vaulted over the line on that.
He went back, as Greg points out, 1200 -- 1100 years, whatever it is, and -
- and used an example of Christians and in the same breath said -- kind of explained why we need to at least consider what the Muslim terrorists are doing, killing people, beheading people, burning people alive. It -- to mention those in the same statement reminds me of when that -- that NBC analyst. Remember of Chris Kyle, he --
BOLLING: This whole issue and he said something like, well, some would say Chris Kyle was probably racist.
PERINO: And -- and on killing spree.
BOLLING: Went on killing sprees. Just by saying that, you put those two together. President Obama now has put Christianity with radical Muslim Islam -- Islamists, who are burning children, killing children, burying them alive, this will haunt him for the rest of his life. I think -- I'm just appalled. Bob, you have to at least say, this is one he really stepped in.
BECKEL: Not will -- I just did say that, but I also think that you keep in mind the audience was the most evangelical Christian gathering of any place in the year. If there was one place I would decide not to make that statement, it would be there.
GUTFELD: You -- can I -- do you want to say -- OK. The fact that there are some Muslims spokesmen who opposed the burning of the pilot on religious grounds is not comforting at all. Because it implies that their religion had allowed it, so would they. So when he was talking about problems, he's got -- he's got to focus on the contemporary radical Islamic element and the fact that Islam is OK with it. And don't -- don't bring in this other garbage.
GUILFOYLE: He's making excuses, yeah, of course.
BOLLING: So --
GUILFOYLE: I'm gonna get Dana -- (ph)
BOLLING: I'm sorry, Dana.
PEIRNO: NO, it's -- I'm good.
BOLLING: One quick observation. He will not -- President Obama and the administration will not say Muslim extremists. They just will not put those two words together. Yet, they will say Christianity. He just indicted the whole Christian faith from 1,000 years around -- something happened, in fact --
BECKEL: Like he did.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, he did.
BOLLING: I don't know, Bob. I don't know.
BECKEL: I -- I would say.
BOLLING: He didn't talk about certain groups of Christians.
BECKEL: No, no --
BOLLING: But that was years ago.
GUILFOYLE: But this is the same president that said if, if you know, Muslims come under attack.
BOLLING: So true.
GUILFOYLE: That he will stand with them. So, I mean, this to make it actually perfect sense.
GUTFELD: That's the question.
BECKEL: I thought --
GUTFELD: It's Marilyn Manson does. He can burn a bible but not a Koran.
BECKEL: To say he was -- back in 1,000 years ago, Nero (ph) burned Christians on the way into Rome, right?
BECKEL: And look at that, look at that, now we got these terrible people doing this and the Christians were persecuted so --
GUILFOYLE: He just doesn't get it --
PERINO: Kind of reminds me of -- I'm just going off the top of my head here. But you know Bob, you say in relationships, one of the things that drove you crazy when you were married was, getting into an argument with your wife and then issues from the past.
PERINO: Would come back up. I mean, this is like the -- it's like, oh, oh, well, 1100 years ago.
PEIRNO: You did not pick up your socks.
GUILFOYLE: This is a president too, keep in mind, that after an American was beheaded -- James Foley, he went and continued laughing and carrying on about his day, 12 minutes later, golfing.
GUILFOYLE: When you say -- six.
BOLLING: Six minutes.
GUILFOYLE: OK. It was -- dispute at the time.
BECKEL: You know about an indictment.
GUILFOYLE: That's the problem here. So, I mean, it is embarrassing. He doesn't seem to be taking this seriously and the -- just (ph) to position that -- yes, Bob.
BOLLING: OK. So --
GUILFOYLE: Between our president and King Abdullah is really -- it's remarkable.
BECKEL: I agree with that. But I would say was taking it seriously.
GUILFOYLE: Well, he's not taking it seriously enough.
BOLLING: So -- so, I wrote a piece, it's on foxnews.com on this, because it re-infuriated me, and I ended with a line and I had to change the line because, they thought it was too outrageous, people thought it was too much, too far, going too far. I said, and -- I'm gonna say what the line is now, it says, "After all, Mr. President, you're a Christian too." I changed it to that, because originally, it said something else. I'm not gonna say what it said originally but --
PERINO: Alright, let's not.
BOLLING: No, no -- I can be -- I have to say, to stand up in front of Christians and indict the whole Christian safe. The way he did today, as a Christian, as a practicing Christian catholic, I'm outraged -- outraged.
PERINO: I just think that -- I will -- I'm not defending his words, because I disagree with them. And I would -- I thought it was the wrong time if you want to be philosophical and give us his world view. But, I do think that he was not trying to indict all of Christianity. I think he was trying -- he was trying to be a history professor.
PERINO: This is what he does.
GUILFOYLE: And you know what? --
PERINO: This is how he -- and now he try to explain to us and the reason with us.
PERINO: As if we were in the classroom.
GUILFOYLE: Well, great. Now we got stuck with a community organizer/wannabe professor, where's the commander in chief? Anyone else want to apply? I mean this --
GUTFELD: His flying sorties in Iraq right now.
BOLLING: Should he stay away from this breakfast? This has not been very good for him over the years, has it?
BECKEL: Oh, it's not.
GUTFELD: It's the most important meal of the day though, Eric.
GUILFOYLE: Alright. Next, we got something for you because Shep Smith joins us live from Jordan with more on the country's air strikes today, against ISIS. Also ahead, NBC News Anchor Brian Williams is busted for a boldfaced lie he has telling for more than a decade.
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BRIAN WILLIAMS, NBC NIGHTLY NEWS ANCHOR: We asked the U.S. army to take us on an air mission with them, they accept it. We knew there was risk involved.
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GUILFOYLE: Stay tuned for the rest of that unbelievable story coming up.
BOLLING: Alright, back now. The Jordan's continued to fight against ISIS.
The country vowed revenge after the terror network burned one of its pilot's death earlier this week. Today, Jordan made good on that pledge sending warplanes to bomb ISIS targets inside Syria. For more on those strikes let's go, back to Shep Smith live in Amman. Shep, fantastic reporting today, earlier, watched you talk to the foreign minister. Tell us, how are the Jordanian air strikes progressing and how is King Abdullah extensive backing for those air strikes? Are those being interpreted by other Arab countries specifically, let's say Saudi Arabia or Qatar?
SHEPARD SMITH, SHEPARD SMITH REPORTING ANCHOR: Interesting. Eric, the foreign minister told us today, that the air strikes carried out today in Syria were a continuation of what Jordan has been doing all along. He said they are just greater in number today, so there is an escalation they sent more jets out and the Pentagon updated some things. We originally said that they -- or the Pentagon had originally reported that they have dropped those bombs in Raqqa, in -- in Syria, but instead, it's more in the northeastern region. But, on the details of theirs -- and the foreign minister told us, that the Jordanians had been carrying out air strikes over Syria and Iraq, which was brand new information to us. And now, we just gotten words from the Pentagon, this brand new information to them as well, because the Pentagon says, the Jordanians have not being carrying out air strikes in Iraq, only Syria, be that as it may. There were 20 jets involved, according to the Pentagon today, multiple strikes using multiple kinds of ammunition. They said to have struck ISIS strongholds, the foreign minister told me that they struck a training camp as well. They didn't have any assessments of what those strikes had accomplished just yet. But certainly, Eric, as we -- many in the United States, and hoping there would be a stronger show of force and we got that from the king today. One of his spokesmen has just issued a statement as well, mainly with the same things, that this is a war that we cannot lose, that we must win. Of course, that is juxtaposed against our own military telling us at the highest levels that this war against ISIS, if you will, cannot be won by the military.
They must change the ideology and the foreign minister insisted to us that they are doing everything they can to do that as well, a tall order.
PERINO: Shep, it's Dana. I had a question about something that Richard Engel, who is the NBC foreign correspondent said, and the question -- he was asking about the claims of the administration is making about gains have been achieved in the fight against ISIS versus reality on the ground.
And he says -- he says, that from his reporting and his observation that those two things are not matching up. Has -- have you heard the same and the -- how big of a problem is that when you're trying to lead a coalition?
SMITH: Have I heard the same? I have heard the same that we have been able to -- there have been accomplishments made that they been able to keep ISIS from progressing in areas where they were trying to keep them from progressing. ISIS did those strikes in the oil-rich -- an oil-rich area, and to say that ISIS has been beaten back, I think would be to -- that flies in the face of the facts. The truth is thousands of ISIS fighters have been killed. The Jordanians tell us that the air strikes have been effective and that ISIS does not have nearly as many fighters as it used to, but you know its ranks grow by the week, because we are led to believe the recruiting increases. It will be interesting to see whether recruiting increases on the heels of the video of the brutal murder of the Jordanian hero. There are many in this region who suggests that no young Muslim would sign up for something like that. It's just too far afield from all that they believe and that there are many here in Jordan who believed that that video may hurt them, not help them.
BECKEL: Shep, it's Bob. The Jordanians found 20 ships -- 20 aircraft in the air. They found a big ammunition dump, apparently, they killed one of the leaders of -- of ISIS, and got a training camp. I, for the longest time, thought that we were hitting about everything we knew was available. This now makes me sort of back off a little bit saying, why didn't the coalition know about these before? Those seem to be a pretty big deal. I mean, the ammunition dumps.
BECKEL: And training camps?
SMITH: I said the same thing. And here's how it was described to me. A training camp is something that can spring up in any place in real time intelligence is something that might indicate to you. OK, there is a training camp, in other words, they might just go to a cleared area and begin some training. That could have been something that they spotted from the air and went in and took them out. Either way, sounds like that's good thing. As far as the ammo dump, here's how it has been described to me, again. Is it possible that a bunch of ammunition was being gathered in an area and they were about to go use it in their fight and the coalition saw that ammunition dump, if you will, and went in and blew it up before they could use it? That's sort of how it has been described to me. I haven't seen it and I don't have intelligence reports that give me any specificity on that matter. But, I heard you yesterday saying, I think we probably striking all the targets we can, we got from the Pentagon that they have taken 86 individual strikes in that region where they were striking today,
86 total in all of this time, that's not to say they're not striking everything that they know about. The problem is they don't have great eyes and ears on the ground.
SMITH: That we know of. There's certainly a component of ground intelligence about which we have no knowledge and I understand that. But, they say they're doing all they can and there's been no evidence to suggest otherwise.
GUILFOYLE: Shep, hi, it's Kimberly. So the Jordanians have tremendous heart and they seem to be very focused within a matter of one day, they were able to accomplish a tremendous amount. But realistically speaking, they are a country that is not going to be able to go on this extended state of alert and continue the sustained strikes for a period of time unless, the United States steps in to help with the refueling and with other resources that we have.
SMITH: Yeah, you are on point. And I spoke with -- I spoke to the foreign minister about that, we have reports from the minister of information on that. And we -- the United States was with them on the sorties today. The Jordanians, it's my understanding, do not ever fly these air strikes alone.
They are always in concert with the United States. Other jets, like their jets, plus AWACS planes for surveillance, plus refueling planes, it was the United States.
SMITH: That did the refueling of those planes. And-- that said, you're right, their resources are limited. The king has said, we'll -- will do this until every bomb is gone, and they want more help from us. The foreign minister today, very thankful for the hundreds of millions of dollars that been pledged over the next couple of years for refugee crisis and otherwise, but they want more weapons, and -- you know it's a matter of them showing that they will go in and do more than they have done before.
They have a very capable air force, though not very large. They have terrific on the ground intelligence.
SMITH: To say that they have a ground force would be a stretch, one that could handle something like this. They really haven't moved forward in -- forward combat, really since the '67 war in Israel.
GUTFELD: Shep, two questions. As an act of substance and symbolism, how effective has the king becoming -- you know, flying a sortie ban for that country? And the second question is has Brian Williams hit any of his targets?
BOLLING: Oh, my God.
SMITH: Well, -- the king did not fly any sorties, there was a picture floating around during Fox and Friends time today that made it look like he did, but he did not. And we got that knocked down as quickly as we could.
As far as the other matter goes, I -- you know, I'm a world away, sitting over here in -- in Jordan, wondering what in the heck is going on back there. But I don't really know.
GUTFELD: It was a silly question.
SMITH: Isn't it?
BOLLING: Alright. Shep, you're doing a great job. We appreciate your time.
SMITH: You're still the guy.
BOLLING: Appreciate your time, Shepard Smith from Amman, Jordan.
SMITH: Thank you.
BOLLING: Thank you. Next on The Five, Brian Williams, the face of NBC News, has been caught red handed for lying to America for 12 years.
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WILLIAMS: Two of our four you with helicopters were hit by ground fire, including the one I was in.
DAVID LETTERMAN, LATE SHOW HOST: No kidding.
WILLIAMS: RPG and AK-47.
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BOLLING: Well, Williams gave a weak confession on his show last night.
Prepare yourself for this one.
GUTFELD: So, was Brian lying? News Anchor Brian Williams spent a decade repeating a story, in great detail, of how he was in a helicopter forced down by a RPG in Iraq in 2003. Roll it, Scarsdale.
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WILIAMS: We were in some helicopters. Two of our four helicopters were hit by ground fire, including the one I was in.
LETTERMAN: No kidding.
WILLIAMS: RPG and AK-47. We figure out how to land safely and we did. We landed very quickly and hard and we put the down and we were stuck. Four birds in the middle of the desert. And we were north out ahead of the other Americans.
LETTERMAN: You're a true journalistic and war hero.
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GUTFELD: A war hero. After telling this tale for, like, ever, he now says it's false. After getting called out, of course.
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WILLIAMS: I made a mistake in recalling the events of 12 years ago. I want to apologize. I said I was traveling in an aircraft that was hit by RPG fire. I was instead in a following aircraft. We all landed after the ground fire incident and spent two harrowing nights in a sand storm in the Iraq desert. This was a bungled attempt by me to thank one special veteran, and by extension, our brave military men and women, veterans everywhere.
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GUTFELD: Now, a lot of people aren't buying that. Come on, who hasn't accidentally thought they were shot down in a helicopter? Or shot at from snipers in Bosnia?
Heck, I remember one Christmas, almost getting shot when I fought those terrorists in Nakatomi Plaza. Then I remembered that was "Die Hard."
I remember kicking Dolph Lundgren's butt once, Oh, wait. That was "Rocky IV."
I remember having seven little friends, but that was "Snow White."
Did I kill bin Laden or was that "Zero Dark Thirty"?
My point, maybe Williams had just watched "Black Hawk Down" too many times.
In all seriousness, the pilot carrying Williams claims they did come under some gunfire, but not an RPG hit. And in Brian's defense, he was in Iraq, unlike me. Back then, I was an editor in New York. The closest thing I came to enemy fire were shots of tequila.
So Brian really embellished, which is really wrong, but it's not surprising. Brian's always been about Brian, an airbrushed absorber of accolades, flitting from talk show couches to sitcom walk-ons. Speaking the truth was just his day job.
But to some, perhaps he still is a hero. For the likes of Michael Moore and assorted MSNBC hacks, fake heroism beats the real thing, like Chris Kyle's. After all, how can you call it stolen valor when you never thought it was valor to begin with?
All right, K.G. This is what I don't get.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, what?
GUTFELD: This is an easy lie to debunk. How could it survive a decade?
'Cause he said it over and over again. Was it because it was Brian Williams?
GUILFOYLE: Yes, because he's the perfect package, right? I mean, he looks like not even a normal human being, robotic journalist newscaster.
GUTFELD: You're not so bad yourself, K.G.
GUILFOYLE: Thanks very much. Worked really hard at that.
I mean, no one wants to believe that he's telling a lie because he just doesn't look like that kind of guy. He seems sort of like normal and straight-laced and personable and sort of perfect.
GUTFELD: But --
GUILFOYLE: Kind of like Romney.
GUTFELD: Eric, if it had been Romney, that's the question.
BOLLING: So last night, Twitter was ablaze with jokes, right? "Driving down the turnpike, I got hit with an RPG. Just kidding. I must have misremembered that." By the way, that's a new verb.
But after the jokes die down, think about what this is. He made something
-- he fabricated a story for ten years about something as important as being shot at in Iraq or his bird went down, had to lay the birds down.
Clearly made up this -- a lot of this story.
At one point, he said they slept in the helicopters for two days. Now, there's someone, one of the military people, saying that never happened; he took off and went back to Kuwait.
The point is this: people consume their news. They listen. They watch Brian Williams. They believe everything he says, gospel fact. And now look what NBC has done over the last couple of weeks.
Gruber. Gruber wasn't even talked about for 40 days by NBC. The guy at NBC who compared Kyle to racism, whatnot. They're the most biased towards the presidency of any of the mainstream media news organizations, yet people are still listening to them and taking it as gospel.
Last thought: if anyone else had done it, that wasn't Brian Williams, it would be an "SNL" skit.
GUTFELD: Yes. They probably will.
BOLLING: You think?
GUTFELD: Maybe not, now that I think about.
Let ask you, Bob, OK.
GUTFELD: He was shot at by small arms fire. That is true.
Is it a natural process over time to take a story, and you kind of make it bigger and bigger until you don't even know what's real anymore? A lot of, you know, people do that.
BECKEL: I had that happen for my -- some of my drug dreams I had became real. But you know, I'm writing a book. And I actually have been shot and then went back and verified it. Not shot directly, off of a ricochet, right, at a miners' strike. Now it hurts.
GUILFOYLE: Where did it hit?
BECKEL: It hit right -- right at my soul. No, it was just -- it was a glancing thing. But the point is you don't forget that. Somebody shoots at you.
GUILFOYLE: Misremembered already. Walking it back.
BECKEL: It's -- as soon as I submitted that thing, they said, "We'll check this out," and they did. It was true.
BECKEL: And so I debunked -- I couldn't remember in my mind whether it really was or not. Now, had I been in -- if I was in a helicopter and they did that, that I think would have been a little bit different.
GUTFELD: Yes. All right, Dana. He was counseled by his bosses not to repeat the story. Yet he did. That's stupid.
PERINO: Because it's a good story.
PERINO: Too bad it's not true. I mean they already have one actor in the family. He should just, like, live his real life, because his life is fascinating.
PERINO: He is the network anchor of NBC. That's an amazing job. It already is fascinating. There's...
GUILFOYLE: An incredible brand.
PERINO: I don't think there's any need to embellish it. The story was already good.
GUTFELD: The story was already good. That's what I'm saying, he was in Iraq.
GUTFELD: He was in Iraq. He was there. He did -- he saw a lot of things.
And that's brave, in my mind. I mean, look, when he was there, I was working -- I was editing "Stuff" magazine, half-drunk all the time.
BOLLING: And one of the problems -- I'm sorry, one of the issues, I think there was one -- correct me if I am wrong. There was one instance where he actually recounted the story the way it actually happened and something like 12 -- it was this much more interesting story.
PERINO: I think the military kind of also -- I think one of the reasons it lasted for so long is that the military is, one, they're busy, OK?
PERINO: They decided to make -- their career to sacrifice for their country...
PERINO: ... not to be on talk shows. And I think that they hear some of these guys, big shots pack this Washington, they're like, "Oh, geez."
PERINO: "Whatever." And then maybe finally, they just had enough.
GUTFELD: They don't have time to do the Pinocchios. They're too busy saving lives.
BECKEL: Don't you think, though, that this guy, he's in the media, right?
He knows this stuff is on tape.
BECKEL: And wouldn't you think he would stop and say, "You know, I understand this is going to be living out there. Is this ever going to catch up with me?" At that point, he'd say...
PERINO: He's not the first.
GUILFOYLE: Ever think about that, Bob?
GUILFOYLE: In your own life?
BECKEL: In my own life? Oh, yes. I mean, hell. So many things that happened to me that were in absent mind. But this, I really was -- I'd say shot. Let's be clear, I was zinged right over here.
GUILFOYLE: So, it turned into a zinger.
BECKEL: It was -- you try it. It hurts like hell.
GUTFELD: All right.
GUILFOYLE: I got shot with a cortisone b-12 shot.
GUTFELD: Those are good, too, huh? Nice little energy boost.
Coming up, the coach of the Seattle Seahawks says he can't stop thinking about his call that cost him his team the Super Bowl. Pete Carroll's new interview ahead.
PERINO: Do teenagers these days need to be taught a lesson about hard work? According to the National Center for Education Statistics, the number of young workers is on a downward trend. Just 16 percent of high schoolers held part-time jobs in 2012. That's down 50 percent from 1990.
One TIME columnist just wrote that every teen should be required to work a grubby job to learn humility. Is she right?
And Greg, I have to ask you, did you have a grubby job?
GUTFELD: Even worse. I applied for the job as rat catcher in San Mateo, California, and I didn't get that job. I worked at a soda -- at a soda bottling...
PERINO: Were you too small?
GUTFELD: I'm too small. I was too scared of rats, and I worked at Grape It (ph) bottling and bottled soda for a couple weeks.
Grubby jobs exist so you can talk about them when you're older and say, "I had this job." It's like war stories for people who don't go to war.
The problem is, the point of work is not about money. It's about becoming a human who can interact with other human beings, which is why this high unemployment among teens and young adults is so grim, because you're creating a generation of adults who cannot communicate, who are aggressive, uncooperative.
You see it every day. You see kids that cannot communicate. It's frightening. You see comments on YouTube and on message boards of people who act aggressively and do not know how to have a decent conversation, because that's what you learn.
When you're a paper boy, you have to go and talk to the cat lady or the lonely widower or the family. You have to learn how to talk to people.
That's missing. You've got -- you've got a million kids who don't know how to talk. They're at home.
BOLLING: What happened?
PERINO: And Kimberly, do you think -- do you agree with her that it does make you have a little humility and also to be more kind to people as you go through life?
GUILFOYLE: I think it builds character. I mean, I you know, come from a family with a strong work ethic. I loved jobs. I loved working, you know, a job when I was in high school and college and law school. So, for me, I think it's great. I loved it. I mean, well, you know, everyone knows I worked in the deli. Sometimes that can be grubby when you get potato salad all over you.
PERINO: As parents of teenagers, did you guys ever try to encourage your kids to go get a grubby job, so to speak?
BECKEL: Just do anything, in terms of a job. When I was a kid, I had -- you know, grew up at the Connecticut shore, and in the summer, double the population, so they had to hire garbage guys to throw garbage. That's what I did. You talk about humility. And man, what people put -- it's not -- it wasn't the plastic stuff around, man. It was just pure garbage.
BECKEL: Yes. Yes. It was horrible. And you had to start like 5 a.m. in the morning.
PERINO: What kind of an impact do these numbers of teens not working have for the long-term health of our economy?
BOLLING: I was surprised they're as high as they are. I mean, I was shocked to see that that few teens -- that few parents require their kids to work.
I think Greg's right, you learn so many skills when you have to deal with people. You have to talk; you have to communicate, problem solve. I think it's extremely important.
That said, my son plays baseball, so I haven't pushed him to work. I mean, there's enough -- a lot of demands with academics. College is so competitive now.
GUILFOYLE: It's so true.
BOLLING: He's -- right now, he's starting to look at colleges.
BOLLING: You have no idea how hard it to get into schools that, when we were younger, getting into -- "Oh, we can get into that. That will be your default. You can lay back. Don't worry. If you need to, you can get into that" -- those are upper-end schools now, and it's amazing.
So I really focus -- stress the education part for him. I haven't forced him to work. I would love him to work. Son, if you're watching right now...
BECKEL: I'd say mow the lawns.
BOLLING: Mowing lawns is a great, great thing. I grew up mowing lawns and shoveling snow. You earn money. You work hard, and you start to respect money. You're right, Bob, that is a fantastic way to get kids involved.
BECKEL: I bet your kids would...
PERINO: Do you have any jobs on offer?
GUTFELD: No, I was going to ask you, what was your grubby job?
PERINO: I was -- you know...
PERINO: Yes, I was a country music deejay.
GUTFELD: You must have done some pretty disgusting things.
PERINO: Well, there's a difference between chores and jobs, right?
PERINO: So a job is something where you go, and you have to show up, and you have a boss, and you get paid for that. A chore is something that you do around the house.
And I would say that when we were on -- at the ranch, for the summer, I would say the boys had to do more grubby jobs than we did, but picking eggs, that was scary.
PERINO: Yes, because you reach your hand in there to get the egg, the hen might peck you, you know, to protect her eggs. That was kind of grubby.
GUTFELD: Hate those peckers.
PERINO: I waitressed a lot. And I loved that. And I think that was true about -- in terms of time management...
PERINO: ... and also dealing with customers. Sort of trying to...
GUTFELD: They're so scary these days.
PERINO: And I bussed tables.
BECKEL: Let me guess. The boys had to shovel out the stalls and stuff.
PERINO: That was usually my cousin. I know, poor Waden (ph) Preston.
GUTFELD: Do you know what the grubbiest job is? Bait shop.
PERINO: I don't think that's a great job.
GUTFELD: Well, it's grub.
PERINO: That's true.
All right. Ahead, an extremely concerning report from the U.N. on ISIS that the world should know about. Bob's going to tell you.
BECKEL: The barbarians of ISIS have shown us they will behead people, throw them off buildings and burn them alive. If you thought their atrocities couldn't get any worse, the United Nations has released a report showing their brutality towards even children.
The report says several cases of mass executions of boys, as well as reports of beheadings, crucifixion of children and burying children alive.
Could it get any worse, Dana?
PERINO: I think this is a consequence of leaving Iraq prematurely. I think that it is also a consequence of not keeping a promise to hold to the red line. And we have to -- we have to look to the root cause of it so that we don't do it again. Fixing this problem now is so much harder than if we had just taken some time to withdraw at a more relaxed pace.
BECKEL: But there's -- nonetheless, Greg, there are evil people.
BECKEL: I mean, evil people are going to do evil things. Right?
GUTFELD: True. And we've got to kill them all. We've lost the right to be surprised, because this has been going on forever. We aren't shocked; we're just jaded.
Where are the gays? Where are the feminists? They should be talking about this stuff, because they're killing women and they're killing gays. And evil only gets worse until you decide to get better at killing it.
The U.N. doesn't mandate a force to fight ISIS. We should take that whole clown college and throw them into the street and use the savings to build pork-filled missiles.
BECKEL: I'm just curious about this evil thing. When you prosecuted people, did you see some people were just pure evil, there was nothing -- you know, you just look at them and say, "This is just an evil, evil, evil person"?
GUILFOYLE: Yes, absolutely, especially the crimes that were committed against children, children that were murdered or horribly abused and neglected, some of the gang cases. Yes, unfortunately, yes. Evil does exist. And that's why you have to find jurors that are not reluctant to call it what it is and to look it in the face and convict them.
BOLLING: This -- Kimberly brings up something important. I remember -- you remember in the late '80s, when the gang violence was getting out of control in L.A. and the area -- and it started to spread. Then you heard it was in the Midwest, and you heard it in big cities in the east?
And I remember thinking how do you ever stop this? How is this ever going to be stopped? And they did. They found a way to get it done, and they stopped it.
This feels the same way. It got more and more outrageous, people killing -
- back then, it was young people -- children killing other children. They figured it out. I think they'll figure this out.
Hopefully, Shep, he pointed out at one point, hopefully, that they've crossed the line now. They've gone so far as even people who may have been radicalized in the past, they've just pushed them to a point where they'll go, "That's not what we're about."
GUTFELD: Remember, we live -- we still -- it wasn't too long ago where 6 million Jews were gassed. So, apparently, we can endure any -- we can endure some pretty disgusting things.
BECKEL: Good point. Go ahead.
PERINO: I think a good resource to find out what actually could happen is that counter-extremism project. If you go to their website, you can find out more information about how they are recruiting. And they actually -- there are scholars who study this who believe that the video of burning the Jordanian pilot alive is actually good for their recruitment, that that video was not made for us, for our horror. It was made for recruitment.
BOLLING: Did anyone see this video?
BOLLING: I watched the video. The first 15 minutes are all propaganda, and I have to tell you, if you're vulnerable, it's compelling. They make a compelling story.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, they're masters at those.
BOLLING: After several minutes, you go, "OK, I'm not sure I go there," but up until that point, where they start -- where they light the fire, let me tell you something, it's well-produced and it -- they tell a story that, if you're weak and vulnerable, you may just sign up.
GUILFOYLE: And that's what it's about. Social media.
BECKEL: I'm weak and vulnerable, but I'm not joining those dudes. "One More Thing" is up next.
GUILFOYLE: Hi there. Time now for "One More Thing." Greg, are you ready?
We're moving on.
GUTFELD: Yes, I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm going to do one of these.
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GUTFELD: I hate these people!
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GUTFELD: I am convinced I'm turning into Andy Rooney, which is not a bad thing.
PERINO: You really are.
GUTFELD: I am. But I'm going to tell you something. When a price goes up on a product that you like, so does the tax involved. And so what happens is, let's say, a bowl of soup that is 4.75, you come in one day and it's now $5.02. And so what happens is the person in line -- or the person, the cashier, has to give you 98 cents back.
And if you keep doing it over and over again, suddenly, a place that never had a line before now has a really long line, because you have a poor person basically doing a mathematical problem that's as hard as any Common Core thing, which is finding 98 cents. And it takes a transaction that is
20 seconds and makes it into a minute.
So what does that train everybody to do? You start carrying around pennies and quarters. We don't -- we've stopped doing this. Change, change was for the 1980s. I thought we went -- we moved away from that model. We have to stop this.
PERINO: This is why you need Apple Pay.
BECKEL: You've got to calm down on this.
GUILFOYLE: It's almost time for "Special Report."
GUTFELD: Why do I still pay with change?
GUILFOYLE: I don't know. That was like, whoa. OK. Anger filibuster.
PERINO: You need to get -- are you talking about the place over there?
You've got to get the app, and then you just go like this and automatically.
GUTFELD: Those things cost.
GUILFOYLE: Anyway this is fascinating -- Dana.
PERINO: I tell how saves pennies.
PERINO: I'm going to tell you this guys, his name is Ronald Reed (ph). He was from Brattleboro, Vermont, and he was a very frugal person. He held his coat together with safety pins, and he worked a lot of jobs. And it turns out when he died at 92, he bequeathed $6 million...
PERINO: ... to his local library and his hospital. And no one knew he was a multimillionaire. So you never know who might be...
GUILFOYLE: I love it.
GUTFELD: That's going to be one library.
BOLLING: All right. Very quickly. You remember the worst call in the history, Pete Carroll, the pass play, losing the Super Bowl, probably could be one of the fools of the week. Here's how he explained it this morning on "The Today Show."
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PETE CARROLL, SEATTLE SEAHAWKS COACH: I wake up and can't stop thinking about it.
I feel responsible for a lot of people right now.
It was the worst result of a call ever. The call would have been a great one if we catch it. That would have been just fine and nobody would have thought twice about it.
That one moment, that moment doesn't -- isn't going to define this team and who we are.
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BOLLING: No, but it may define you, and it was the worst call in history.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, man.
BECKEL: I want to wish a happy birthday to Sakari Momoi, who is 112 years old.
BECKEL: The oldest living human -- oldest living man, rather. I ain't going to get there with you, buddy, but I'm glad you're there.
GUILFOYLE: Looking good.
All right. So feast your eyes on model Hannah Davis, the new cover of the "Sports Illustrated." I love it. They covered it, because it was a little bit too risque, but Jimmy Fallon had that on "the Tonight Show."
Speaking of tonight, I hope you'll join me. I'm on "The O'Reilly Factor,"
but it is a surprise why. So I hope that you tune in and figure it out.
BECKEL: Can you bring that picture back up?
GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, that's it for us. "Special Report" is next.
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