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Jordan confirms murder of pilot at the hands of ISIS

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 3, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

ISIS has murdered another hostage. The terror network has released a new barbaric video that appears to show a Jordanian air force pilot being burned alive, 26-year-old Muath al- Kaseasbeh was captured in December after his plane crashed in Syria. The tape comes just days after ISIS beheaded a Japanese journalist. Jordan's King Abdullah is in the U.S. right now and his headed to the White House soon to meet with President Obama. Chief Intelligence Correspondent Catherine Herridge has seen the video and she joins us now. Catherine, can you tell us about today's event?

CATHERINE HERRIDGE, CHIEF INTELLIGENCE CORRESPONDENT: Well. Thank you, Dana. This video is really a departure from previous ISIS propaganda. In part because of its length, it's 22 minutes long and also because so highly produced. And what I mean by that is that there are clear video overlays, audio over lays, there are multiple camera angles used. The pilot is filmed. It looks like different areas around the ISIS stronghold of Raqqa, and this would have taken many days to compile. The final section is this five-minute section which I think we've discussed at length here on the channel where the pilot is burned to death. He's wearing an orange jumpsuit like synonymous with Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib prison. If you look closely you can see that it's damp, based on the video with appears to me that some sort of accelerant had been poured on the pilot and then flame is lit. You see it going along through the desert landscape and into the cage. I've seen all of these videos this -- is particularly horrific, because you see the pilot sort of grab his skull in pain and the screams are sort of very base, sort of primal type scream of anger as he sort of collapses to his knees. So, this is meant to incite, also based on the graphics in the video it's meant to send a message to the other gulf nations that are somewhat on the fringes of the coalition, that they should say out but in fact we may see it has an opposite effect, Dana.

PERINO: We appreciate that you -- watched the videos and bear witness to them for those of us who don't watch them, we do appreciate that. Greg, you have a question?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yeah. What does it tell you about -- kind of the fruitlessness of negotiating, when they were -- they were demanding an exchange -- from Jordan, but what the -- but the chip that they were using, they've already killed...

HERRIDGE: Yeah, but -- right...

GUTFELD: So, is it some kind of sham to jerk these people around? What that it?

HERRIDGE: I'm glad you raised that. It was described to me very early on that this seems to be an episode were ISIS was playing chess and not checkers. They had really carefully staged, managed this whole event. And I think the most important data point came from the spokesman with the Jordanian military today, that the pilot had been in his word, assassinated back on January 3rd. And actually in the last few minutes I received from one of my counter terrorism contacts a series of tweets that are from December 24th, which describes what appears to be the pilot in a cage on one of the traffic circles in the capital of Raqqa. So really, in very simple terms the bottom line, what's played out over the last 10 days has really been a charade. The pilot had been killed weeks ago, and I believe we may well learn that the Japanese hostages were also executed some time ago. Because in the video released over the weekend, you probably noted Greg, there were absolutely no references to the $200 million ransom demand, the Al-Qaeda suicide bomber in Jordanian custody that they to swap the pilot for or, or any of the others. So I believe this was done some time ago.

PERINO: Kimberly?

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: So Catherine, they were obviously trying to also accomplish some kind of proof of life so they could determine in fact, probably intelligence report that in fact these executions had already occurred. But nevertheless, they offered up this swap of the female suicide bomber. What do you expect to anticipate the next step of King Abdullah of Jordan will be? Do you believe that they will execute her?

HERRIDGE: Well, there are multiple media sources coming out of the region Kimberly, that indicates that this Al-Qaeda suicide bomber. She was part of this plot back in 2005, what the Jordanians call their 9/11, where they attack multiple resort hotels and they killed more than 60 people, she has been on death row since. And the reporting tonight is that she has been moved off death row with possibly two other ISIS prisoners and they will be executed at dawn. So, the Jordanians are holding through to their statement immediately after the video that they would stand united and that they would retaliate for the murder of the pilot.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Catherine, it's Bolling. So I've seen all of the prior videos. I happened not to see this one. I understand it ends differently than the others. They have -- the beheadings, you see the picture of the -- the victim lying on the ground with the head on their back. This one I understand ends with the ISIS -- I believe the terrorists burying the victim in --

HERRIDGE: That's correct.

BOLLING: In rubble. I'm wondering if this has any significance because this guy is Muslim. That they treat this differently, that they treat it burial
-- I do wanted also --

HERRIDGE: That's a great observation. I hadn't really even considered that, but that would be consistent with an immediate burial. That's correct.

BOLLING: I -- just can I ask you a second. I did understand, and correct me if I'm wrong, that in the Muslim faith, or in Islam, you can't burn a body dead or alive or dead, so maybe -- I don't know, I'm just trying to put all of the pieces together here. I -- I think there's going to be a huge massive outrage within the Muslim community, though.

HERRIDGE: What I can tell you, having seen this video is that it's clearly an escalation and as bad as decapitations were, this really goes to a whole new -- a whole new level with the degree of human suffering. I mean, I can't really describe it any other way. I kept thinking, when I saw the video today, about the people on 9/11 who jumped -- jumped from the top of the World Trade Center, the jumpers who decided they would rather plunge to their death than be burned alive, because one of our most basic instincts is to avoid high temperatures and flames. So, to take this individual and to place him in a cage where there was no way out for him and to burn him alive in that manner really goes to a whole new level.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Yeah, you said something about it may have the reverse effect, I mean that's exactly right. I mean, if -- Eric is right, I think that -- I think that is right, if they broke the Muslim traditions. I would imagine finally, the Muslim countries will say enough, enough is enough. And they may join the coalition those are out, any chance that's possible?

HERRIDGE: It's entirely possible. I don't really want to speculate, because I don't know, I think a lot it's a very fluid situation and much is going to unfold in the next to 12 to 24 hours if the Jordanians follow through on their threat to kill the Al-Qaeda suicide bomber. But what seems very clear to me is that when you sort of unpack the killing of the Jordanian pilot, the murder of these two Japanese hostages, this without question increased the risk for the handful of remaining hostages, which we understand to include at least one American and also a European woman.

PEIRNO: I've -- I know I got to let you go, but can I ask you one last question, because I'm going to take the opposite...

HERRIDGE: Sure.

PERINO: Position of Bob and ask you this question which is, it could have the effect of actually hurting the effort -- our efforts to get Jordan to continue to work with us. It's one of the reason that king of Jordan is going to the White House tonight is to say, I need more support from you if I'm going to keep my country in the position of helping the United States be back ISIS because, the father of the -- pilot that was killed is part of a large tribe in southern Jordan who said, this is not our fight. We shouldn't be fighting the American fight. So isn't it just as likely that we are going to be in a position of having to bend again, try to find another way to fight this war?

HERRIDGE: The readout of that meeting tonight will be especially important, because you raised a very important issue, Dana, that many people had missed which is that this has sort of a tribal element to it as well. The question has been whether ISIS may have bit -- sort of bitten off more than it could chew by taking on the tribes as well. But, they put their cards on the table, they are -- to use a cliche, they are all in here. And again, I would emphasize that when you look at the video, it's absolutely clear that this took days to compile. This was part of a broader media strategy and that they really had no intent to negotiate in goodwill for the swap of that hostage, which is why Jordan was so adamant about the proof of life, this all now, makes sense. Because for the last month, the pilot has been dead and they believed that was the case.

PERINO: Alright Catherine, you can use the cliche with us any time, Greg, will not give you a hard time. You don't have to worry about that.

HERRIDGE: I don't want to make that list. I really --

PERINO: It's a long list. I'm on it several times.

HERRIDGE: OK.

PERINO: Thank you so much, Catherine.

HERRIDGE: Alright, thank you.

PERINO: We're going to keep talking about this and we want to show you -- just, we played it of some sound from the Today show interview with President Obama about ISIS and we'll talk about that after this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Part of our goal has to be to build up capacity inside of Iraq, so that -- it's not American troops on the ground. Some of those famed critics that you suggest, I imagine would have us redeploy, tens of thousands of U.S. troops.

SAVANNAH GUTHRIE, "TODAY SHOW" CO-ANCHOR: Aren't there things you could be doing right now short of a huge presence of ground troops inside Syria or Iraq...

OBAMA: I've --

GUTHRIE: That would -- help this goal of what you say to defeat ISIS, happen more quickly?

OBAMA: Anything --

GUTHRIE: Shouldn't we be doing more?

OBAMA: Anything that we're doing -- anything that we could be doing Savannah, we are doing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: Greg, do you think that's true, that anything we could be doing we are doing?

GUTFELD: No. I -- not even close. The problem with creating your own restrictions, whether you're restricting the bombings or you're restricting the number of troops or Special Forces is that -- what's stopping you, is you. I mean, this truly is a reign of terror. You don't see reign of terror come along. There should be no restriction when you're dealing with something that is identifying itself as evil. So when you have an administration that has announced its course, like no ground troops. It is hard for your ego to admit that perhaps you're wrong and that you should change course. And I know Obama doesn't want to inflame tensions by referring to radical Islam will clearly -- that's working really well. And this is by the way, it's a terror that is design for mass consumption, they've realize that we've grown jaded with beheadings. It's we're bored.
So -- so what they've done is they've created something far more grotesque.
And I'm thinking that if we -- if we deny them the mass media consumption, we starve this beast. If we don't show these videos, maybe that's a start.
I mean, there 40 murders every day in the United States, and if you film those they're pretty gruesome, too. I don't know -- right now they're happy, that every major network shows these videos. We are doing their PR work, and as grotesque it is, I don't think it's going to cause a ground swell, among, among the Muslim population, if it has already. I think it just helps.

BECKEL: Well --

PERINO: If you were the king of Jordan, Kimberly, and you were going to see the president in 45 minutes. What would you ask him? I think I would say where do you stand?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, we demand the leadership and some kind of position and say about what he is in fact going to do, because everybody is really tired with degrade and destroy. Mr. President, get out of (inaudible) come up with something else and come up with a plan, because the leaders of the world are looking towards you. This is something right now that shouldn't even be a hesitation. Why are we reluctant? Why are we not leading by example so that others feel will feel encourage from our position of leadership, our strategy and our military which is the best in the world?
This should not allowed -- the allowed to continue even one more day this level of depravity. I think it's horrendous.

PERINO: Bob, if you're in the White House tonight, then what do you say to that?

BECKEL: I say -- first of all, I say about the father who said, this is not his fight, of course it's his fight. I mean, it's their fight. And the fact of the matter is that if you're a Shiite, you have to be worried about this. And so, I think what it does, you can argue about whether Obama is doing enough or not, and (inaudible) that's their opinion. But one thing is clear to me, and that is the Arab community is not doing enough. And the Saudis community can be doing a lot more than they are doing. So maybe, just maybe, this is going to bring --

PERINO: But what if the Saudis and the Emiratis are actually footing the bill for the Jordanians?

BECKEL: For the Jordanians?

PERINO: Yes.

BECKEL: Yeah.

PERINO: OK. So I think that's -- I mean, that is something that's not doing --

GUILFOYLE: They've got money in the game.

BOLLING: So. Look, here are the numbers, as of mid -- 11 o'clock last night, there were 2,247 air strikes total, 6 months. That comes out, since July. That comes out to less than 12 a day, total. You can step up the air campaign. If you -- take a look at the Middle East, on what happened to Middle East. On the north, you have Turkey, an ally, right? You have Iraq to the south and to east. To the west you have the Mediterranean Sea. And then also to the south you have the Saudis, you have this area surrounded.
I mean, if you really wanted to, it's not that big of a land mass that you could actually step up the air campaign. If you want to put boots on the ground do it. If you don't believe it, then don't. But there are certain ways to push these people -- this ISIS group back into Syria. Contain them there, I mean, it's pretty basic war strategy. Put them there, it may grow somewhere else, it may start off again in Yemen or somewhere else.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, like how about carpet balm them too.

BOLLING: But -- but the meantime...

PERINO: If I'm one of hostages, I'd rather be taken out by an air strike than be beheaded or lit on fire.

BOLLING: But here's -- here's the thing, now -- after you kill the Jordanian Air Force -- air pilot -- Air Force pilot, when the Jordanian people are striking in the streets or in the streets yelling they want blood, they want to kill the hostage that they have or the prisoners they have. This is the time to surround ISIS and -- just put that in --

BECKEL: Which exactly where I think they'll start to do that. Because, listen...

BOLLING: Bob, it's seven months.

BECKEL: Listen, Eric...

BOLLING: It's seven months.

BECKEL: I understand that. But you know you have to have something to bomb.
Do you think they like targets out there not being bombed?

PERINO: They're not hiding. I mean...

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: That's why you need people on the ground which, some people have been saying that was wrong for the six months.

PERINO: But they need our help...

BECKEL: Well...

PEIRNO: On the ground.

BECKEL: Well...

PERINO: I'm not saying -- I'm not saying hundreds of thousands of troops, as Savannah Guthrie asked the president, but could we be -- could we not be doing more to give them information about where the target?

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely.

PERINO: (inaudible) because. (ph)

GUTFELD: Susan Rice said what? She learned a lesson from Uganda? (ph)

PERINO: Yes. I -- if I were on Capitol Hill, as long as the Senate, I would call her up and have her testify tomorrow.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: Do you remember where it started in Iraq? Do you remember that air campaign? There by 400 sorties in the first night, the first night.

PERINO: But that, that, remember, regime change was the goal. At this point, point we don't understand. What the goal is degrade and destroy, but we don't have any follow up from them, all right. Ahead on The Five, the measles outbreak, the vaccination debate and where some 2016 contenders stand on the issue, next.

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GUTFELD: So, Mickey's got measles. Yes there's an outbreak in Disneyland, and everyone's acting goofy. So who contaminated critter country? Parents not vaccinated their kids. Because vaccines have rid diseases that killed millions, getting a shot doesn't seem so urging anymore. The sunny dispositions allow some parents to get a free ride on the already vaccinated. Since they're immune, why should you bother? Add to that the lives push by celebrity, it's like Jenny McCarthy assorted quacks and pandering politicians. And you see why this weirdness is growing, oddly among the educated coast. Yeah, the people who inject Botox into their face reject vaccines, how did that happen? It's the old equation, natural good, man-made bad, which is why when Chris Christie was single-out for a benign comment on vaccines -- that should be a heads-up. The vaccines question is now a trap to derail careless candidates or those surround by hacks. Come out against the greatest medical intervention known to men, and you take the spotlight off Obama's contagious misery, and you put it you. He has already, (ph) the leftist media is waiting to take its shot, so inoculate yourself against them. Realizing that bashing vaccines while measles is spreading is not presidential, it's Mickey Mouse. Which is why Rand Paul looks bad and Ben Carson looks good. Yes, I get it, it's a free country.
But making vaccines a quest of individual liberty only works when everyone is healthy, but when everybody is sick, you going to wish you got pricked.
So Dana, it is interesting if you look back how this anti-vaccine movement started. It started with -- a disgraced to study and trial lawyers.

PERINO: it was a disgrace -- right. So that is in --

GUTFELD: Andrew Wakefield.

PERINO: Very interesting that Republicans might be the target of this now, given that it started on the left.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: So trial lawyers took this debunks -- now debunks study. Scared everyone to death, we're going to sue everybody. But now, this is just the perfect way to trial lawyer's work. Now there's talk about bringing lawsuits against parents who didn't get their children vaccinated, that have been cause other children to get sick.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

BECKEL: That doesn't answer the question. Why did the Republicans step and listen -- I mean, it was a --

PERINO: It's bizarre. Since it's mostly on the -- as Greg said, it's on the coast, it's educated people, and mostly -- unlike in Marine County, California, not the biggest Republican district we've ever seen. And Hillary Clinton and President Obama said similar things...

BECKEL: And they did. But right --

PEIRNO: So why is that, Bob?

BECKEL: Well, but the -- I'm not going to excuse what they said.

PERINO: Well, then why are you asking me why the Republicans are for (ph)

BECKEL: Because the Republican presidential --

PERINO: I'd say that's the media.

BECKEL: Wait a second...

PERINO: And also some stupid things that were set. And try to be --

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: I -- I am fired up today.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. I like it.

BECKEL: I'm only making the point, that when you're running for -- as a presidential candidate, these are the kind of issues you probably want to stay away from.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: So like in 2008, when Hillary Clinton pandered -- that was fine for her to do politically. Yesterday, when she tries to show how grandmotherly and smart she is, she says the vaccine -- and she does -- she takes the opposite viewpoint. That's OK?

BECKEL: All I'm saying is -- if were running a campaign like this, I would say, measles and the place you want to be.

PERINO: I agree with that, so...

GUTFELD: You were saying, how did the French issue, that was embraced by the left and now be treated as a GOP party lines? That's the weird thing.

BOLLING: I don't know, maybe the media is doing it, too.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: It seemed like Chris Christie's stumbled into it accidentally.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: He was asking -- it was a lot of media, he was asked the question, what are you -- what are you doing here...

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: And New Jersey happened to be doing business with -- with the farmer company, a European farmer company and they feel it no it...

GUTFELD: Right.

BOLLING: And try -- you know tried to back and fill quite a bit. -- Yes, agree with -- just about everything he said. What I do see happening, though, is the media -- to Dana's point, point the finger at Republicans, because they've set up this -- the same argument. Do vaccines work, yes or no, I think everyone would say yes, versus should they be government mandated, and they push them together and say, go ahead libertarian, what do you say now? And it's a tough one. Rand Paul for example, had his kids vaccinated but he has the issue, that -- yes, he just wants parents to have a choice, when to do it...

PERINO: Yeah. But he walked himself into a problem. So yesterday he said, I've heard, heard...

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: Of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines. Today, to clarify his remarks, he puts out a statement that says, I didn't say vaccines cause disorders, just if they were temporarily related. That's not what he said...

BOLLING: OK.

GUTFELD: Yeah, I mean...

PERINO: So that's the problem.

GUTFELD: And a doctor should never begin a sentence with, "I've heard."

PERINO: I've heard.

GUTFELD: You should say, studies show, (inaudible) with Ben Carson...

GUILFOYLE: Is amazing.

GUTFELD: Ben Carson came out, and said that vaccines -- you know are -- it doesn't. It's not about personal liberty, it's about public safety. Ben Carson just left above Rand Paul. Rand Paul's has been marginalized by saying this stuff and Ben Carson came out -- Kimberly...

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

GUTFELD: Basically said, hey, look...

GUILFOYLE: And let's listen...

GUTFELD: Vaccines have save millions of lives.

GUILFOYLE: That's what he said, and we've done a tremendous amount of work in progress in this country, eradicating else -- do you -- do you not care about children? That do you want to make sure that they are protected and healthy and safe. And how about other people's children, people out there who are being so selfish. It's like, come on, think about the impact, the consequences of your choices and your actions. Do you think it's fun to see a child to see a suffering from polio, or measles or any of these other things? My God.

BOLLING: Can I just throw one (inaudible) I'm not defending the, don't vaccinate your kids, because I vaccinated my son. I simply saying, we don't trust government for so many things.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: It's not government, it's medicine (inaudible)

BOLLING: There is no mandate. (ph)

GUTFELD: In your state guy, the state is enforcing it...

BOLLING: But -- but here's the thing. The issue -- came up, because people are saying should we change the law to mandate it. Right now, all 50 states, if you have a medical, you can get a medical exemption. 40 out of 40, you can get a religious exemption, and 20 you can get --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: You know, if you are Republican, you going to know that the press is out -- everything you say, you said that everyday right? And many times just right. So if that's the case, you want to stay away from the decision...

PERINO: And it does proof the point of media bias, because when Clinton and Obama said it, the media didn't get on their case about it.

BECKEL: That's right.

PERINO: So next time we bring up media bias, you can just say, I agree.

BECKELL NO, that's -- what you have to do is to say, if you're running a campaign you say, this is what we stay away from.

GUILFOYLE: Well, you have to take a position if you expect to be elected.

BECKEL: And if you're going to take a position. Vaccines work.

PERINO: To say, but that what -- or you could just say, what Dr. Carson said.

GUTFELD: Yeah, if in the state says that you need to get vaccines, such one thing the state is saying. They're not saying they're controlling your life, you know, I mean the fact is, you don't have to stop at a stop sign if you don't want to, but you probably should.

GUILFOYLE: End it there.

GUTFELD: Your 2016 update is next, featuring news about Scott Walker, Chris Christie and Hillary Clinton. Stay tuned.

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GUILFOYLE: The GOP presidential field has too many potential candidates to name, but there is one contender who's been getting a lot of attention
lately: Scott Walker.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. SCOTT WALKER (R), WISCONSIN: We need leaders this America who understand, who ultimately understand the measure of success in government is not how many people are dependent on the government. The measure of success in government is how many people are no longer dependent on the government.

If we're going to take on the names from the past, which is likely to be former secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, we need a name for the future.
I've had three elections for governor and four years in a state that hasn't
gone Republican since 1984 for president. I wouldn't bet against me on
anything.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: I love that kind of confidence.

All right. According to a new online poll posted on the Drudge Report, the governor of Wisconsin is the clear front-runner in the Republican race.

But what about the Democratic side? While Hillary Clinton has made no major moves signaling a potential run, the coronation from her supporters has already begun.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JIM MESSINA, OBAMA 2014 CAMPAIGN MANAGER: We want Hillary Clinton to be the next president of the United States. Thank you.

That's right. It's her turn. I think it's her time.

CHRIS MATTHEWS, MSNBC ANCHOR: But I think she should go for a 55 percent victory. She can bring the House in, Senate in, and then she can really rule this country.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MATTHEWS: Oh, my goodness. I think somebody is getting a little tingle up his leg again. Oh, my.

BECKEL: A tingle up his leg? I thought we were cutting that.

GUILFOYLE: You know.

Don't go there, Bob. Please, Bob.

BECKEL: I like her, too. But I'll tell you something, she is out front.
This is a problem with Scott Walker, though. I mean, you start to get out front like that. And all of a sudden the incoming is coming from your own party. The first person out always gets it. And he got that in the morning. And that got him -- set him up in the Prescott incident and now you watch.

GUILFOYLE: All right. So -- so Bolling, then, is he ripe, then, for kind of a predator drone strike from the opposition?

BOLLING: She's absolutely running. She'll be the front-runner. She'll be the Democrat nominee. There's no question.

GUILFOYLE: You're talking about Walker?

BOLLING: Yes. Here's the thing. Remember in 2012 here at the RNC. This guy is such a classy guy. He grabbed -- he said come on over. We sat with the Wisconsin contingency. We sat there, we watched Mitt Romney's speech.
What a great guy. And when you meet someone, you shake their hand and they talk to you, and look you in the eye. And you know they're talking to you, not through you.

That's the way Scott Walker was, very, very impressive. Now, Drudge put that poll up. He got 47 percent of the poll. I mean, it was a big poll.
He's definitely out font now.

GUILFOYLE: I know you like him. Because you made a picture of him and framed it.

BECKEL: I wouldn't say -- I wouldn't say the Drudge Report poll has...

BOLLING: No, no, no, no, Bob. He was -- you did well...

BECKEL: If I were him, I'd very, very worried about going to bed at night.

GUILFOYLE: And moving on now, 2016 train -- are you with me -- to another contender. New York Times published a hit piece on Chris Christie, accusing the governor of living large on the dimes of others. Quote, "The governor shot to national prominence as a cheesesteak-on-the-boardwalk everyman who bluntly preached transparency and austerity. But throughout his career in public service, Mr. Christie has indulged a taste that runs more toward champagne at the Four Seasons." Call me.

OK, Dana, what do you make of that?

PERINO: Well, every candidate has a reporter or publication that has it out for them. I would think for George W. Bush, probably The Texas Observer when he was a candidate, that was, like, his worst one.

For Chris Christie, unfortunately, it's the paper in his backyard, the New York Times, and it happens to be the paper of record. And so, I think that his -- this is going to continue. They ran more stories about Bridge-gate than anyone else and then put the -- when that got resolved, and it showed that he didn't have anything to do with it, that was on the "B" block -- in the "B" section, not on the front page. So he's just going to have to accept the fact that the New York Times is out to get him.

BECKEL: That is true. That came back to haunt him in more ways -- fairly or unfairly.

BOLLING: Where was the New York Times with Bill Clinton and Hillary? I mean, they were -- they were living...

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: That's past.

BOLLING: Chris Christie has champagne taste because he...

GUILFOYLE: And caviar dreams or something like that.

Robin Leach, go ahead.

GUTFELD: It goes back to there's always an extra man on the field or woman. Don't want to be sexist. The media. So the media will always focus on Christie's expenses but not on Hillary's. Remember, it's not Christie's spouse who flew on a sex jet to orgy island, which sounds like a great Hardy Boys mystery. But we won't -- we haven't heard anything about that, have we?

BECKEL: I was on that flight.

GUTFELD: You were on that flight. But I just want one point on Walker.
He's not -- I like him because he's not an attention-seeker. And the battles that he went after were real battles and not symbolic ones. They weren't like these -- they weren't filibusters or reading Dr. Seuss. He went after the unions, and he won. And I think that's what's important.

Now, if Romney could lend him his hair, that could be great.

GUILFOYLE: He has the most amazing hair I've ever seen.

GUTFELD: Romney doesn't need it anymore. You're not running anymore.

GUILFOYLE: Auction it.

GUTFELD: Auction it off.

GUILFOYLE: That got really weird.

GUTFELD: Some great hair.

GUILFOYLE: Hopefully, you don't get pulled off the air.

All right. Don't move, "The Fastest Seven" is coming up next on "The Five."

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BOLLING: All right. Time for...

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(GRAPHIC): Fastest 7

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BOLLING: The fastest 6 1/2 minutes on television. Three spurring stories, seven spirited minutes, one sprite host.

First up, this past Sunday just prior to the Super Bowl, President Obama granted NBC's Savannah Guthrie an extensive live interview. Topics were light. The president was relaxed. Sleeves were rolled up. After all, they were in the White House kitchen. Here's a clip. Pay close attention.
There's a quiz after.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We make beer. First president since George Washington to make some booze in the White House.

This is the honey ale.

SAVANNAH GUTHRIE, NBC: OK.

OBAMA: Made from honey from Michelle's garden. Let's see what you think.

GUTHRIE: Let's take a tiny sip.

Quick game of either/or while we're having this beer.

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BOLLING: All right. Question No. 1 goes to K.G. K.G., how did that guy in the background not slice his finger?

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. But I don't (UNINTELLIGIBLE) those beer-drinking interviews.

I like Savannah Guthrie. she's great. I think it was nice. They did something a little bit different. But it does feel that in comparison to the interview that O'Reilly did.

BOLLING: Very good. OK, Bobby. George Washington, did he really live in the White House?

BECKEL: He had a tent out there on the land where -- no, obviously, he didn't. I mean, that one is most even, public schools, certain city.

GUTFELD: That's George Washington, by the way...

BECKEL: I know.

GUTFELD: ... for viewers at home.

BOLLING: He did not live in the White House.

BECKEL: Can I say one thing to you, though? When you call yourself a sprite host. Sprite is the word we use in the nursing home for people who are just, you know...

GUILFOYLE: By the way, that's a reuse (ph).

BOLLING: Let -- I'm going to move it on.

Greg, did you ever drink beer with your pinky up?

GUTFELD: I don't know, because I drink wine. So I would be a hypocrite.

You know what? You're right. That's impeachable. Clearly, any man who drinks with his pinkie out is a Kenyan-born interloper and needs to be taken out from the office.

I'm kidding. I don't care about the stuff. I don't care. He's enjoying a beer.

BOLLING: Very good. And Dana, my question to you was I'm OK with the interview. Am I wrong? A lot of people are saying...

PERINO: It's cute. It's the Super Bowl. And actually, I think that some people when they're watching the Super Bowl and you're going to see the president, it's OK to see him having fun in a kitchen.

GUILFOYLE: And not only that I did slice this part of my finger off in the deli. No, the salami on that same machine.

BOLLING: Next up -- next up, the president is a power hungry man who will stop at nothing to get what he wants. Do we really need a president willing to do anything and everything to fundamentally change the country?

I speak of Frank Underwood and president in the "House of Cards," that Netflix hit. Here's actor Kevin Spacey weighing in on the real American commander in chief. He said, quote, "It must be enormously frustrating for Obama. There seems to be in the U.S. now an ideology and entrenchment that has stopped people doing what they are hired to do, which is govern rather than run for office the whole time."

Dana, your thoughts on this...

PERINO: He's speaking as himself or as his character?

BOLLING: Speaking in life.

PERINO: Look, I think that President Obama is the worst offender. This is a guy who won re-election and then has basically been campaigning as if he were still on the campaign trail ever since. And he's passing up a lot of opportunities to do great things with the divided Congress.

BOLLING: It's interesting to see him criticize that. If you follow the story, it's a great -- it's a great thing. But what he did to get to the White House...

PERINO: Yes.

BOLLING: I mean, you talk about -- I've seen a lot of nasty politics in my life. I don't ever think I've ever seen them put a guy in the car with the gas on.

BOLLING: Kimberly, Greg, isn't he right, though? The minute you're elected to office you start running for your next election?

GUTFELD: But this lady over here stole my talking point. It's his dream job is to campaign. He doesn't want to lead. He likes to go out and talk and have people applaud. I mean, what did he -- he went to Vegas after Benghazi. That's what he does. Kevin Spacey fulfills his last name.

GUILFOYLE: That's pretty cute. I like him. He's a good actor. But you know, there you go.

BOLLING: All right. Move on. Finally, the best-selling book, "Fifty Shades of Gray" will be released to the big screen. "Shade" Opens just in time for Valentine's Day. The film earned an "R" rating and promises strong sexual content and unusual behavior. It's been described as dirty but classy by the L.A. Times. Before we roll this clip, get ready folks.
Get the kids, hide the eyes. You've been warned.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm incapable of leaving you alone.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Then don't.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My tastes are very singular. You wouldn't understand.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Enlighten me, then.

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PERINO: I like it.

GUILFOYLE: I like it.

BOLLING: There was a lot of talk even as that sound bite was playing.

GUTFELD: Yes. I don't -- why see the movie when you can live it? I mean, have you ever been to a dog's house?

GUILFOYLE: I just saw the elevator.

GUTFELD: Ten times worse. Phil eats there all of the time. Disgusting.

BOLLING: K.G.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God, I just saw Lou in the elevator. It wasn't like that, though.

BOLLING: Love scenes or sex scenes in a 100-minute movie.

GUILFOYLE: Perhaps this is going to make a lot of babies in America. We need more babies in this country.

BOLLING: Ms. Dana.

PERINO: I'm squirming for a couple reasons. One, if we have to warn parents about children being in the room maybe we shouldn't play it at 5 p.m. I think that that would be one thing. And let's not do it every day until Valentine's Day.

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PERINO: And all of the controversy. It's like showing people smoking marijuana when we did legalization of marijuana in Colorado.

The other thing is, so I read three chapters of the book. It was so boring, so poorly written I had to put it down. But also, I just wonder if women, if we've come so far that now we can be making a choice for ourselves to be totally dominated by men.

GUTFELD: I'm for that choice.

PERINO: And it may be (ph) a huge movie. Like, I am just not for that.

BOLLING: All right, Bob.

GUILFOYLE: Well, you can dominate them back. Choose to be the dominator, Dana.

BECKEL: No, I say...

BOLLING: You've got your finger on the button. The button?

GUILFOYLE: Like you did to Bob today.

BECKEL: That was (ph) a G-rated book. But I mean, the thing is, who is going to -- I want to see the first guy giving that as a gift to his -- to ask his date out.

GUTFELD: That's actually a good point. Who's going to go as a couple to this movie?

PERINO: Girls are going to go together.

GUTFELD: That's what it is.

BOLLING: Greg, I don't know one single man that bought that book. Not one, and it sold how many millions and millions of copies.

BECKEL: I...

BOLLING: Bob, you bought the book?

GUTFELD: You read it at the library. I remember: they had to escort you out.

GUILFOYLE: Do you know that there's a -- I don't want to say.

BOLLING: The guy with the trench coat?

GUILFOYLE: They study that book in the library.

BECKEL: Imagine on Valentine's Day taking your date to that? I mean, I could, but most people, I wouldn't suggest it. I really wouldn't.

GUILFOYLE: Just so you know, it's going to happen.

BOLLING: All right. They're yelling at me. We've got to go.

GUILFOYLE: Better than a Michael Moore movie.

BOLLING: We return to the news of the day, the Jordanian air force pilot burned alive by ISIS when "The Five" returns in just a minute.

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BECKEL: The sick barbarians of ISIS released another horrific video. This one shows the Jordanian pilot, held in captivity since December, being burned alive in a cage. Jordan's King Abdullah is in the U.S. right now and delivered a message to his people, calling on his country to stand together following the execution.

I wonder if they'll rally. Somebody mentioned that they were out in the streets wanting revenge. Do you think -- Kimberly, do you think this is going to unite some of the Arabs against ISIS?

GUILFOYLE: I hope it brings law-abiding Muslims together with, you know, the rest of the world and other religions, to unite against this kind of barbarism. Because there is no place. This is not a religion of peace that they are acting on behalf of, and it has to come to a stop.

BECKEL: I guess the other side of that, Eric, is it could scare enough people to say, "Not us."

BOLLING: I don't think so. I saw video of the Jordanians are in the street. They are ticked off. That was a beloved fighter pilot.

Also...

GUILFOYLE: From a prominent family.

BOLLING: From a prominent family, but also, King Abdullah was -- didn't he head the air force, didn't he, prior to becoming king?

BECKEL: Yes.

BOLLING: So you may get some action. But again, I'm going to go back to this. If I'm correct, I think it's against Islamic law to burn a body,
dead or alive. Dead or alive. And I think that -- that one violation of
that law may tick off enough Muslims to say, "Enough is enough. Let's get behind this thing."

BECKEL: They're very specific about those laws, too. We'll see. You know, it's -- it's taking a long time to get the point here that this is not their best representatives. Dana, do think this, from a P.R.
standpoint, they've got the wrong people out front?

PERINO: I think we're -- I think we're at risk of missing what could possibly happen, which is the opposite, Bob. And that is that they rally behind getting off -- getting out of the fight and figuring out a way to let -- just let the Americans do it. But they absolutely need our help.

And don't forget: not only have we asked Jordan to help us militarily, but they're also dealing with about a million refugees. So the king of Jordan deserves a lot more help from us on both sides, on the military side and on the refugees.

GUILFOYLE: Great point, because it's true. They're flooding the...

BECKEL: If Jordan goes -- if they...

PERINO: It's like a geopolitical nightmare if we don't give him the help that he needs. And the president should know that the American people would support him on it.

BECKEL: I agree with that. Do you agree?

GUTFELD: Yes, I do. But the interesting -- here you have ISIS, who beheads people, but truly, it's their adversary that is headless. We have
-- we are a headless coalition. There's no Churchill in this war.

BECKEL: There's no Churchill in the world.

GUTFELD: Yes. But there's no Churchill in this world, sadly.

We need a worldwide leader to unite the good to fight evil. And if it's not President Obama, who doesn't want to do it, who is it? Is it Japan?
Is it Egypt? Who knows? Is it Cameron?

PERINO: Who is the world leader?

GUTFELD: Who is the world leader? This is what happens when you leave the world.

PERINO: Exactly.

GUILFOYLE: Well, it looks like there's an urgent -- more coming in, a potential tape regarding the meaning -- this is just coming in right now -- on the burning of the Jordanian pilot. So let's see what they talked about and if they have some consensus.

BECKEL: All right. "One More Thing" is up next.

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PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing." Greg's going to pick us off.

GUTFELD: Yes, I know it's late, late, late and it's only -- what day is it? Tuesday.? Tuesday. "Red Eye" tonight is an all-timer. Because I've got two guests. The Beckel brothers...

GUILFOYLE: Yay.

GUTFELD: ... are going to be crashing the set. You've got Bob. You know him. His brother, Graham, is a great actor. He's been in "Scandal," "L.A.
Confidential." He was in "Pearl Harbor." But you cannot forget his role in "CHUD," carnivorous humanoid underground dwellers. One of the all-time great movies. There's Graham having a bite of something disgusting. Watch tonight. "Red Eye."

PERINO: "Red Eye." OK. That's going to be fun.

GUILFOYLE: That's going to be very good.

BECKEL: He should have tried Mike Huckabee (ph).

PERINO: Kimberly, you're next.

GUILFOYLE: Thanks. OK. So everybody, right, loves Jimmy Fallon. He does these really funny things where he slices songs and then makes it. Like for example Brian Williams one time did "Gin and Juice." Little Snoop Dogg flavor. Here's another little piece. Take a look.

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PERINO: He's so funny.

GUILFOYLE: He's kind of a good rapper, don't you think?

PERINO: OK, Eric, you're next.

BOLLING: All right. So I've been following "Celebrity Apprentice." Love the show. Geraldo is on it. He's surviving. He's playing the game amazingly. Go to the sound bite, you guys.

GUILFOYLE; He's killing it.

BOLLING: Listen to this from last night. This is amazing.

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VIVICA A. FOX, ACTRESS: See, that's a dirty (EXPLETIVE DELETED) right there, sir.

KENYA MOORE, REALITY TV STAR: Oh, my God. Really?

FOX: That's exactly what. That's what I'm trying to tell you. This child...

MOORE: This is the problem. This is not positive. This is the board room. I don't appreciate being called out by name.

FOX: You are just a toxic trick.

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BOLLING: And Geraldo just sits back and lets it happen.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

GUTFELD: That's not Geraldo. That's a Geraldo dummy. He hasn't moved.

BOLLING: No, he's playing good. What's that video right there?

That's an interview that K.G. did with Geraldo, I guess this afternoon.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, on FOXNewsLatino.com.

BOLLING: You can find it on FOXNews.com Latin. FOXNEWSLatino.com.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Very cool. He reveals behind-the-scenes secrets. Go click on it.

PERINO: All right. Bob.

BECKEL: All right. Y'all, I think, remember "To Kill a Mockingbird" by Harper Lee, probably one of the greatest novels in American history. Well, it turns out she's 88 years old now, and she wrote a book before that that she's now going to get published. And it's not a sequel. It was actually about the civil rights movement, before "To Kill a Mockingbird."

GUTFELD: It's called "To Kill an O'Reilly."

BECKEL: You said it.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

BECKEL: I'm not going to argue it.

GUILFOYLE: Now you've done it.

PERINO: Preorder today on Amazon.

OK. I have a book to talk about. Today I was given a signed copy of the new cook book by Lorraine Wallace. That's the wife of Chris Wallace. It is called "Mr. and Mrs. Sunday's Suppers." This is her third cookbook.
What I like about her cookbooks, is that even I can follow the directions.
It's very -- it's beautifully photographed. The instructions are very easy to follow, and the food is delicious. And so you can be a hero at home.

GUTFELD: Is there anything vegan or gluten free?

PERINO: No. A lot of meat in here. There's duck, gumbo, let's see, Italian wedding soup.

GUILFOYLE: That's my favorite. Do you think that can make that for me?

PERINO: Chicken pot pie. Shrimp scampi.

GUTFELD: It would be, Italian wedding soup.

PERINO: K.G., I'll let you pick something out of here, and I'll make it for you.

Congratulations to Lorraine. That's it for us. "Special Report" is next.

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