Bill Clinton and the 'world's greatest double standard'

Former president reveals 'world's greatest double standard'


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," January 15, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld along with Jedediah Bila, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling and she naps under a dandelion, it's Dana Perino. This is "The Five."

This just in, Bill Clinton is an Islamaphobe? Seriously, listen to this heathen, spouting common sense about Islamic extremists and their sense of entitlement.


BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: They got sucked into this by somebody essentially using religion and religious politics to advocate the world's greatest double standard. If you come to our country we won't let you worship the way you want. We won't let you say what you want to say, we won't let you do what you want to do. However, we have come to your country, therefore we have a right to do whatever we want to do -- including kill you if you make us mad.


GUTFELD: Praise Allah. A leader speaks truth, saying publicly what wimps say privately. I'd say off with his head, but there are those who would take it seriously.

Of course, his obvious point is a jarring departure from a cowering establishment who deny the obvious in favor of the Big Lie. The lie -- that it's not religion, stupid -- is based on grim assumptions of the West, that you and I are armed with pitchforks ready to chase innocent Muslims because of some bad apples. It's the same as idiocy that had in New York Times sugarcoat communism as the dead piled up. It's like Groundhog Day, minus the hog.

The double standard Clinton expose drives its survival. After intolerance makes one country inhospitable, it moves elsewhere and we let it. It's the one bag you check upon departure and it spreads like a virus designed to erase its rivals. And it's real. Not like Islamophobia, that dying smear used against those who sound the alarm against evil. I called it truthophobia, a fear of the facts. A seething disciples accepts violence as a path to Nirvana, intimidating a fearful population of timid counterparts accepted by a cowardly media. Yes, the media, the horrid thing that recoils in its shell of denial, castigating the fearless not the feared.

So what do empty vessels like Vox, MSNBC, the Huffington Post and Reuters do now that Bill Clinton is a right-wing extremist? Their job?

All right Bob, you've been saying this yourself. More Dems got to speak up. Bill just showed, he speaks up -- nothing happens, it's great.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, not only that, this probably, would you say, is the best-known politician politically in the world right?


BECKEL: At least among the top two or three.

GUTFELD: Yeah. Behind --

BECKEL: Nobody has got an excuse now. Nobody has got an excuse. That was about -- you can't get more blunt than that, right? And so, I would think that if I were a political figure, including Obama and the rest of them, I would say, well, Bill did it so I guess I'm gonna do it too.

GUTFELD: It makes -- it makes Obama look timid, doesn't it?

BECKEL: It makes us all look timid. I mean, you know, you keep come back to Obama about. I still going back to the rest of these and you start to have a list of them, you know. I just -- but I give Clinton enormous workers. (ph) It isn't the Clinton, he knows how the time think so well, this is a perfect political move, he's not going to get killed, he doesn't think, anyway.


BECKEL: And -- I think he was trying to --

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: He has 24-hour protection.



BOLLING: Or yet --

BILA: He's also not --

GUTFELD: A number of times.

BILA: He's also not running for anything. I mean, this is a politician that's not running for anything.

BOLLING: Went well.

BILA: I mean, his wife may --

BOLLING: Well -- well.

BILA: Well, you know it may have implications for his wife, for sure. I'm sure she's wasn't happy about this comment. This is a politically correct. Covering (ph) himself.


PERINO: I think she -- I think she wanted this comment.

BOLLING: She may praise this guy.

BILA: I don't know about that.

PERINO: I agree.

BOLLING: This is absolutely.

BILA: I don't know about that.

BOLLING: On the heel of all the negative, all the push back that President Obama is getting for not being able to say, Islamic terror is Islamic -- this is the perfect time to come up and say, guess what? It's hypocritical what these terrorists are doing.

PERINO: That's what --

BOLLING: I think, I think he's --

BECKEL: That separate.

BOLLING: He's drawing the line, he separating Hillary from Obama the way she could do herself.


GUTFELD: I want to discriminate there. He did it on the Seth Myers show. Five people watch that. If he was gonna do that wouldn't he done it on a bigger set?

PERINO: Maybe he knew he was gonna be replayed on "The Five".


PERINO: That millions watch.

GUTFELD: Spoiled again.

BECKEL: You know something, there's nothing the Clinton's do that is by chance.

GUTFELD: That's true.

BECKEL: And if you wanted one thing, sure he will give a little cover on, what does it better.


BECKEL: What difference does it make? This pretty good way to do it.

BILA: But her base, the base that she's hungry for do you think would really be receptive of this comment?

BECKEL: First of all, I think with basic --

BILA: You think she would hear that? Big silence? (ph)

BECKEL: It really cares about this. It's really more about the Elizabeth Warren base and I don't think she's -- it matters, to be honest with you. They are going to vote for her, anyway.

BILA: Yeah.

BECKEL: I think we're vastly overstating the number of people in this country who really cringe at the idea of Islamic terrorists. I mean, I don't know who it is --

PERINO: People that are worried or that are --

BECKEL: That thing that react. I mean, you.

PERINO: Oh, that shouldn't say that we shouldn't say Islamic. BECKEL: Yeah, I don't know how many percent. I don't know -- nobody that I know --

GUTFELD: It's not the number, it's where they are placed It's everybody who is in the top -- echelon of every newspaper and every network cringed. It's like, it's so unseemly to link the two, it's so unsophisticated and it's uncomfortable at cocktail parties to do that. If, Dana, a conservative on this show, or conservative on this networks had said this, what Bill Clinton said would care and media matters be all over him, it start a petition?

PERINO: Yeah, they would and that what he said is something that other people have been saying.


PERINO: It does matter that he said it. He's an older, wiser statesman. He's plugged in around the world, he still talks to all the world leaders, much to the chagrin maybe of somebody at Pennsylvania -- 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. But he is very plugged in and he -- he is a great communicator. He knows how to cut through the clutter, and he's both unifying and clarifying at the same time.

BOLLING: It as opposed to the very night before, another ex-president going ahead and kind of pointing the finger at Israel.


BOLLING: For what's going on in Palestinian for some of the things that are happening right now. I mean, it's amazing at the time -- Bill Clinton should nailed it --

BECKEL: I was just gonna give you a compliment but I think I will take it back.


BECKEL: This is interesting. You know the guy who did -- they played the Muslim commentator on Jon Stewart -- he got to play, he's a Muslim. OK. He's starting his own web series of which he does now gonna expose Islamophobia.


BECKEL: People like.


BECKEL: Me and Eric Bolling.


GUTFELD: Really?

PERINO: Good job.

BECKEL: Yeah, and we are very proud of that.

GUTFELD: Fantastic. That should be --


BOLLING: However, then -- hopefully, that they will play that clip because that -- Bill Clinton just summarized all of the things that we've been saying for months now in --

PERINO: But then they'll make fun of you for supporting something Bill Clinton did. It's like it will never end. You'll always be the subject of their --

GUTFELD: Let's talk about the pope -- the pope. Not Olivia Pope, the pope. This is what he had to say, was talking about what had happened in Paris and free speech, he had some opinions on it. Let's roll this tape, shall we? OK. Yes.


(END VIDEO CLIP) GUTFELD: So -- I guess I'll go to you first, Dana. I think he was having a casual conversation, talking about this, making a metaphor, an analogy to his friend, but he's wrong. He's very wrong, isn't he?

PERINO: My -- my gut and my instinct says that he was wrong.


PERINO: I'm for free speech, free will, independence and then I get to choose and that -- I think -- I don't -- I don't know if there was a mistranslation or it was taken out of context. I looked to Kathryn Lopez of National Review.


PERINO: On this matter, because she follows the pope very closely. And she talks about how she thinks that the pope was trying to draw people into do it being better, right? He was saying --

GUTFELD: Saying nasty (ph) things?

PERINO: Instead of saying you cannot do this, maybe he meant you should not.


PERINO: Do this. Like you should try to be better, try to be nicer people. I think that's maybe what he meant.

GUTFELD: Which -- Jedediah, it's a nice thing to say, but it's the wrong thing to say after people were murdered. In fact -- again, it goes back to the -- it feels like they're blaming the victim because they had mocked the faith and died.

BILA: Right. I'm tired of worrying about offending people. And it's like saying, well, don't provoke anyone. So, if you're not -- then don't speak. Then don't say anything. There's always someone that's gonna be a fan (ph) and there's always someone that could potentially react badly to what you say, act out, and now who are you gonna blame? You gonna blame us, because we don't have the courage to speak? Or in some people's cases to make a joke or to get on stage? I mean, comedy is supposed to be -- it's supposed to make you think. Sometimes it's gonna hurt, sometimes it's gonna make you uncomfortable. Sometimes people are gonna ascend you, that's you -- that's life, that's reality. And I don't want to discourage people from being real, just because you may offend someone, and somehow say, well that might provoke someone to be quiet. I'm interested in more voices, not us. I don't want to silent people and I think that's the message that somewhere gonna get from him, unfortunately.

BECEKL: His metaphor, he was slightly off -- he's analogy rather. He said, this would be like saying something bad about your wife and you turn around and punch her.


BECKEL: Well, I would say this to the pope, there's a difference between punching somebody and taking a knife and cutting their heads off.

BOLLING: Or shooting.

BECKEL: I can understand where he was coming from, about religions. And I think that's an appropriate thing to say but I'm not quite sure that I would put it in that context nor do I think at this time it's the time was accurate. Let's give him credit. He's been out in the last few weeks, quite strongly on this issue.

BOLLING: Just very quickly. There are many, many examples in the bible of where you're told and taught not to speak poorly of people. There are punishments for doing that, and they happen of course, throughout the bible. I think the pope -- it was using it as a teaching moment. You know the golden rule, don't say something about -- do unto others what you want them to do unto you and I think it's more of the teaching moment then -- actually, a commentary on free speech. I don't really look to the pope for the commentary on free speech. I understand where the push back is with the pope. But again, there -- you know, the vast majority of Catholics that listen to the guy, aren't as Bob points out, aren't gonna get mad at the guy for looking at his wife and chopping his head off.

BILA: The problem is if you apply it to religion today, what do you apply it to tomorrow?


BILA: You know, and this is a key figure that people do look up to. I think there is an ability to misconstrue what he said and apply it to other areas of life and some may use it to justify their reasoning why you should be being quiet or why you should be silent. That's my problem.

PERINO: Right.

BILA: From what he said.


PERINO: Even the pope told you not to do that.

BILA: Yeah, exactly -- exactly.

GUTFELD: It' just, it's just --

BILA: Exactly.

GUTFELD: I think -- the timing is unfortunate because, it lends implicit support to actions against words.

BILA: Yes.

GUTFELD: That's -- and the analogy of the punching thing is -- was a very bad thing and -- you have to be able to make fun of religion, you have to.

BILA: Yeah.

GUTFELD: that's the -- you should be able to make fun of anything and everything, because they are words. They are not deeds.

BECKEL: You know, let's think about this for a second. He probably said that because I think he sees, and so do I at this moment, a major clash coming here.


BECKEL: Directed at the Islamic religion which he doesn't wanna see happen. And I think where he tries -- it was a teaching moment. I think what he was saying is, you know, let's try to say -- try to put this in some kind of perspective although for us it's difficult to put it into perspective. But I think what he was trying to say he was, before we go over the edge here, let's try to stop and try to be nice to one another.

PERINO: But here's --

BOLLING: I think --

PERINO: I think there's one other teaching moment. The pope is nearly 80.


PERINO: Am I right? In the world of instant communication and reaction and fake outrage or real outrage and an immediate reaction, you -- if you're going to have the pope talk on a plane on a microphone, it just ramble on. I mean, the chances of him or his remarks being misconstrued immediately.


BILA: Yes.

PERINO: And having to spend there in two or three days, trying to put that toothpaste back in the tube, that's a problem. So, he is an important voice and with that comes responsibility. I'm not saying he can't speak off the cuff but there are consequences.

BECKEL: Put the toothpaste back in it -- I've never heard that before.

PERINO: You've never heard for the toothpaste back in the tube?

BOLLING: Genie out in the bottle. PERINO: Horse out of the barn. No? Nothing?

BECKEL: I got the horse out the barn.

PERINO: Doesn't ring a bell?

BECKEL: It's the toothpaste back in --

PERINO: You can't put -- right? You can't put toothpaste back in the tube.

BECKEL: I don't know.

BILA: He's tried.

PERINO: Have you ever tried?


BILA: He's tried.

PERINO: Do you use toothpaste?

BECKEL: I use to hide (inaudible)


PERINO: Oh no.

GUTFELD: On that note, you're going to tell me what you did. The RNC's annual winter meeting is under way in San Diego -- I've booked my room at the Super 8, right near the ice machine. Mitt Romney addresses the committee tomorrow. We'll go live to California, next. There he is.


PERINO: Republicans have set a date to the RNC will hold the 2016 presidential convention in Cleveland beginning July 18th, considerably earlier than previous years, and an effort to give the party more time to unite behind its nominee. The committee's annual winter meeting is under way in California. Several potential White House contenders will be addressing members and donors over the next three days, among them, Rick Perry, Scott Walker, Ben Carson and Mitt Romney. Another strong sign he's serious about making another run. Campaign Carl Cameron is at the gathering in San Diego keeping tabs. Carl, I'll tell you what, they can sure pick a meeting insight, that's for sure.

CARL CAMERON, CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: It is fantastic. All political conventions for every party should be at least in Southern California or someplace where there is lots of sun.

PERINO: What's the mood there? They had a big win in 2014 in the midterm elections, is anyone still celebrating or have they moved on to 2016 nail biting?

CAMERON: Both. They're very much celebrating and they're looking forward to a big race in 2016 and with a lot of the presidential race already under way, they know Mitt Romney comes tomorrow night. We've heard from Dr. Ben Carson a while ago. Tomorrow, Rick Perry and Scott Walker will be speaking later this evening. So, the race is very much on their excited about it. You hear them talking about, looking forward to the debate and what will be a battle in the GOP.

PERINO: Bob, do you have a question?

BECKEL: Yeah, Carl, two things struck me about this. One was -- well, first to start with Cleveland? Are you kidding? But the second thing was, limiting the number of debates, which was a smart thing to do. There was 27, last time around they got it down to 6 or 8 I think. And the other thing was moving the convention up earlier for the Republicans. Because, you remember last time Romney could not use that bunch of money he had, it was given for the general election, they couldn't spend it when they need it. It was that generally agreed upon by everybody that it was smart move?

CAMERON: Well, first of all, the decision to have the convention in Ohio, with the one of the most important states of presidential politics, is why it ended up specifically in Cleveland. And the truth is, they are trying to shape the debates, it was 21 debates last time around and it ended up being reality television with an episode every week in a half or two. And it got to the point where some of the Republicans were beginning to tire of it, not just the voters but the candidates themselves, so it will be a lot fewer debates by putting the convention in July. The idea is to get the Republican nomination over, so that the GOP can begin to go over the Democratic nominee, widely presumes to be Hillary Clinton, who looks like she could be virtually uncontested, so she would have the nomination in a Democratic campaign all to herself to go after Republicans. By having that convention in July, Republicans will start the general election, virtually a month earlier in a past few.

PERINO: Jedediah?

BILA: Hey Carl, you know the issue of immigration has been a hot topic among Republicans, lots of division within the party. When you're talking about issues, what issues are coming up? What do you think is gonna be central here, in terms of generated some unity in this party moving forward, if they want to win?

CAMERON: Well, there are number of issues in play obviously and a great deal it has to do with how Republicans in Congress are fighting the Obama agenda at the White House. Out on the campaign trail, with the Republican national committee, a lot of this is about horse race and these people are really enthusiastic. In fact, there's a division in the GOP on a couple of levels that delegates to the Republican national convention, 168 of -- pretty much agree on it. And that is, amongst conservatives, folks like Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee and others, who will be competing after very socially conservative Tea Party types. There's a whole bunch of candidates who are already fighting against one another. And to use the clich,, there's the establishment types would be obviously Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney perhaps, Chris Walker -- excuse me, Chris Christie or Scott Walker, and they are already sniping about all of this. And the amusement that you see on the faces of the delegates of the Republican national convention here today is that, they are looking forward to the debate and, yes, they has this disagreement on immigration with the Obama administration, they has this disagreement within the Republican Party. Jeb bush supports of some sort of path to legal status for those unauthorized immigrants in the country right now, a lot of Republicans don't. Mitt Romney doesn't. So, there is a division amongst two -- the two top establishment candidates, the ones presumes to get the most money and be most well known in the polls. And yet you also have Republicans like Rand Paul who say, there has to be a way to be more inviting, more tolerant, more welcoming of minorities and there has to be ways to find legislative solutions to deal with the illegal immigrants who are here now. So, the division is wide. What we don't have here is fear of it. There's a real enthusiasm for it, and amongst conservatives, they're saying to themselves, for years, we've watched our conservative candidates beat each other up on the far right, now we can watch the establishment guys battle about it as well.

PERINO: Let Greg go, Bob?

BECKEL: I will.


GUTFELD: Carl, you're talking about seeing a lot of enthusiasm, but enthusiasm is pointless if there isn't a unifying prospect, a franchise3 player. Here's my question to you is, has my name come up?


CAMERON: There's -- right now you can get --

GUTFELD: What's so funny Carl?

CAMERON: To about 23 or 24 candidates. No. No, Gutfeld on the lips of --

GUTFELD: No, no. no. It's Dr. Gutfeld.

CAMERON: San Diego. Sorry dude.

GUTFELD: Dr. Gutfeld.

CAMERON: Yes. Well, what -- what they do is a sense of humor about it. They recognize that it's not gonna be a pretty serious of primary battles amongst all these candidates. And, they think it's actually about time for the Republican Party to change, and then this generational thing. Romney and Jeb Bush, the Bush family is a certain --they've been around for a long time, they're very well known and you've got some of these newcomers, like us, like Walker who say it's time for fresh faces. So, it's generational as well ideological, the GOP has an opportunity to make changes. The RNC are the administrators, these are the guys behind the scenes who put together the money and put together the rules for the battle that will be the 2016 campaign to go forward after the next few days.

PERINO: Nice save, Carl. We got a point from Eric Bolling.

BOLLING: So, so Carl, we need to point out that Reince Priebus, who was under a bunch of scrutiny until the 2014 elections, then he seems to -- it looks like he's gonna get re-elected to chairmanship. But, let me ask you this. Are there 23 or 24 candidates on the right because, there's a feeling there that this is the best opportunity in a long time to win the White House? Given a week, Hillary and maybe Elizabeth Warren as a Democrat?

CAMERON: And I think you could add to the motivation that the notion of a Hillary Clinton presidency or Elizabeth Warren presidency is tremendously motivating for conservatives, because they can't fathom the idea that it's terrifying to them. So, it's not only -- so it's both of those things. And again, the Republican Party -- these, these folks aren't gonna argue about policy here. What they're trying to do is create a playing field so that the candidates can do that, and what we've seen is all of them are firmly in the belief that Mitt Romney is running in and he's not playing any games that he's in. All of them are firmly of the belief that Jeb Bush will get in as well, although -- actually, Governor Bush has been traveling around the country but doing most of it behind the scenes, meeting with potential donors and things like that. Whereas Romney, tomorrow night goes public in a big way, he's gonna make a speech on the RNC, on the deck of the USS Midway -- historical museum here in San Diego.


BECEKL: I hate to interrupt you. The primary (ph) -- consultant -- political advisor of this network, could you are, because you are quite on top of it. But, you're not suggesting for a minute the Republicans are enthusiastic about a debate on immigration. It's the single biggest problem they have. Don't they recognize that? These are vote in Congress where they split, some are probably actually sided with the Democrats. I mean, that is a huge, big issue. Do they see that?

CAMERON: Well, of course they do. But Bill -- Bob -- excuse me, Bob, you've got to remember that right now they are focused on who they are going to pick amongst themselves. And -- so, if you've got a Republican who is an anti comprehensive immigration reform Republican. They're looking forward to it and assuming they are going to prevail. Whereas, you have others, although more of the establishment here, who've been saying for a decade -- plus, George W. Bush supported comprehensive immigration reform, giving a back citizenship to illegal aliens back in 2001. So, it's not like it's a new idea, people have been on that have been outnumbered in recent political years. But they still think that there's an opportunity to make changes, and get the president to be realistic and deal with border security first, then pass this legal status et cetera, can be work through. So, yeah, they're enthusiastic about it because they think that their idea is also going to prevail. This is the general election. This is about the primaries right now.

PERINO: Alright Carl, last question. Which is your favorite show to do on Fox News channel?

CAMERON: Five. High five is all around.

PERINO: Absolutely. We know that you are happier today. You're back in the political scene. Have fun this cycle. Thanks for joining us.


PERINO: Ahead, what's it like spending 19 days climbing up a 3,000-foot rock wall using only your hands and feet? You're going to hear from remarkable there (ph) who just conquered Yosemite El Capitan, next.


BOLLING: On that time for -- the Fastest 7 minutes on television. Three compelling stories, seven cursory minutes, one convicted host. First off, to Yosemite National Park, it took 19 days and a boatload of determination. Kevin Jorgeson and Tommy Caldwell with the first ever to scale a 3,000-foot granite wall made El Capitan, with their hands and a safety rope, watch.


KEVIN JORGESON, YOSEMITE CLIMBER: It has elements that everyone can relate to. It's a big dream. It takes a lot of hard work to make it happen. There's an element of teamwork that Tommy and I have forged over the last six years and those are the elements that any big dream need to come true. So, I hope that everyone that has been following along can take the Dawn Wall as an example of what's possible and to find their own Dawn Wall.


BOLLING: Now, Greg, these guys are your personal heroes.

GUTFELD: What is the big deal? I do this every single night when I lose my apartment keys. I snake up my apartment wall, and I get in and I don't brag about it.

By the way, let's invent -- let's start inventing new sports that have real actual risks involved. I came up with one called busting, where a single adult has to confront a group of rude teens on a bus. Real-life risks.

BECKEL: A stranger.

GUTFELD: Real-life sports. This is just like -- I do that in my underwear.

BILA: I'm going to need to see that on video.

GUTFELD: I have it on video.

BOLLING: These guys climbed that wall with just their hands and feet and a safety rope. Their fingers. They used Krazy Glue on their fingertips.

PERINO: And I disagree with Greg. I love the human spirit, I love the risk, kind of frontiersmen idea of the west. You look skeptical.

BOLLING: No, no.

PERINO: Do you agree?

BOLLING: I've seen walls like that. I climb with my son.

GUTFELD: We have an elevator, Eric.

BOLLING: That is...

GUTFELD: It's 2014. We have elevators.

BOLLING: I'm not sure -- I'm not sure -- well, whatever.

BECKEL: I have stood at the base of that thing. I would no more climb up 3 feet on that thing, let alone 1,900 (ph). But here's the thing that (UNINTELLIGIBLE) with. The guy who got their first's mother says, the first thing out of her mouth is, well, he had to wait for the other guy because he couldn't get up there.

BOLLING: It was a couple minutes later.

BECKEL: I mean, really, seriously. You think that's the right thing.

BOLLING: That's about he's first. That's what it's all about.

BILA: I love it. I love guys who -- I would try it, and you get one life. I say live it.

BOLLING: You'd try it?

BILA: You bet I would. Send me with a camera. I'll show you guys.

BOLLING: Next up, how about a big old serving of Hollywood hypocrisy? You ready? Watch this Liam Neeson film, "Taken 3," with stars with the big guns and a man who used them.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At 21, he joins the Army. At 23, he joins the Special Forces. He's a trained sniper.


BOLLING: Now check out what Neeson told the Golf (ph) News. This is his quote: "There are too many" -- expletive -- "guns out there, especially in America. There's over 300 million guns. Privately owned in America. I think it's a" -- you know what -- "disgrace."

BILA: I love Liam Neeson, first off. I love the "Taken" movies. He needs to stop telling us what to do with our guns. In America, we protect ourselves. We don't have Brian Mills style security that we can walk around with in our arms. We do that for ourselves. Stop taking away our guns. We're law-abiding citizens.

BOLLING: Bobby, your anti-NRA guy right here made 20 million for "Taken 3," 10 million for "Taken 2."

BECKEL: Yes, but I think violence in movies lead to violence and people shooting things. I don't think that they do, and I think he made a good point.

BILA: But he's saying that guns do, and that's not accurate either.

BECKEL: Yes, because you and I don't agree on that.

BILA: Because it's not true.

PERINO: It does seem hypocritical. But he might be right. There are too many guns. OK. Fine. But if we waved the magic wand -- and all the guns went away. That would be great. But that's not what's going to happen, is Jedediah's point. If all the criminals were to give up their guns, maybe you wouldn't need as many guns to respond. But it is your right to have them.


BILA: Absolutely.

GUTFELD: Somebody has taken his brain. Intellectually, he is a starved man. When it comes to political issues, he's like a guy who reviews a restaurant after walking by it. Because that's how celebrities are with their analysis of an issue. It's not in depth. They heard something on the TV. They were at a cocktail party.

He knows nothing about guns except how to pretend to shoot them in a movie. If he had actual balls, replace all those guns with bananas and do the movie. But you won't. Because it will look stupid. Because guns look awesome. You know they look awesome. And it's made your career.

BOLLING: You know what else is dangerous? You know, besides guns? Skiing is dangerous.

GUTFELD: Yes, skiing is dangerous.

PERINO: Climbing up a rock wall is dangerous.


BECKEL: Sitting at this table is dangerous.

BOLLING: And finally, here's some funny stuff. Hugely popular actor Patrick Stewart visited "Jimmy Kimmel Live" the other night and acted out the results of an Expedia poll that cited the most annoying things people do on planes.


JIMMY KIMMEL, HOST, "JIMMY KIMMEL LIVE": Chatty Charlie. This is the guy who will talk to you nonstop during the flight.

PATRICK STEWART, ACTOR: Hello. What's your name? Where are you from? What is it you do? My name is Patrick. I'm English. Like the muffins.

KIMMEL: The seat kicker.

STEWART: This Tyler Perry movie is so funny.


BOLLING: So what do you think, D.?

PERINO: I agree with him. The thing -- it happened to me just on Monday, where the guy next to me, he was laughing at something he was looking at on his phone. And it was one of those things where I knew that he wanted me to turn and ask him, "What's so funny?" And I wouldn't do it. So then I felt like I couldn't look at all that direction, and I never responded.

BOLLING: He did a good job with this, though.

GUTFELD: There's nothing better than people who never fly coach making fun of plebes in steerage. Har-har.

Here's an idea, Mr. Rich Elite. Why don't you condemn the inequality that you see everywhere as you further steer yourselves away from people into your little island of luxury? Screw you, Patrick Stewart.

BECKEL: You're the one with the big bus driver, went with your book -- your book all over it.



BOLLING: If I'm not mistaken, wasn't the seat kicker your least favorite thing about flying?

GUTFELD: Yes, yes, exactly. I would have their feet removed. And I have.

BECKEL: The -- go ahead.

BILA: The drunk talker is my worst, Gregory. I have experience sitting next to...

BECKEL: I've got to ask for how you deal with this.

BILA: I thought it was good stuff. I mean, it's true.

BECKEL: If somebody talks to you too much, turn to them and say, "I just want to warn you before going any further, I have a very contagious disease."

BOLLING: And sometimes you're not lying.

BILA: It's true.

BECKEL: Like right now.

BOLLING: Right now. We're going to leave it right there.

Is liberal Hollywood changing its tune? The Oscar nominations are out, and pro-military "American Sniper" racked up some impressive nominations. Meanwhile, poor Oprah got the snub.


BILA: The 2015 Oscar nominations were announced today and, as usual, plenty of snubs and surprises. "Birdman" and "Grand Budapest Hotel" got the most nods, tied at nine each. "American Sniper" got six, including for Best Picture, surprising some to see liberal Hollywood celebrating a pro- military film.

Oprah's movie "Selma" also got a nod for best picture but was shut out in every other category, except for best song.

Gregory, talk to me a little bit about this list. Have you seen any of these movies? What do you think?

GUTFELD: I've seen a fair amount but the big injustice here -- and I think America will agree with me -- "The LEGO Movie" only got an Oscar nomination for a song. And no, everything is not awesome. That was probably the best movie and an achievement in movie making of the last five or ten years. It is an incredible film. And the reason why it was ignored is because of how it looks and it celebrated capitalism. It celebrated innovation and ingenuity, and it's a shame.

I'm thrilled for J.K. Simmons. He's probably one of the best actors. He got nominated for "Whiplash." If you every watched "Oz" on HBO, he played a gay, Nazi rapist. He's one of the greatest TV villains of all time, and he still does the Farmers Insurance commercials.

BECKEL: Are you serious about the LEGO thing?


BECKEL: You really were?

GUTFELD: Yes. One of the greatest movies ever.

And there he is doing his Farmers Insurance commercials. And I wonder whether he'll still be doing them when he has an Oscar.

Lastly, Wes Anderson, he walks a tight rope of preciousness, and sometimes it works, like I loved "Bottle Rocket" and I loved "Rushmore." I hated "Moonrise Kingdom." "Budapest" is a good movie.

PERINO: I didn't like it.

GUTFELD: Yes, you didn't like it. And we usually like the same movies, for some reason.

PERINO: Don't flatter yourself.

GUTFELD: Well, I hated "Urban Cowboy."

PERINO: I didn't see any of them, but I wanted to share these from FiveFanPhotoshop. He did some posters of us.

We've got one for Kimberly Guilfoyle. This is "Gone Guilfoyle," which I thought was a good one. We've got here with -- this is Greg. This is "Behind every joke is the truth." This is about "The Information [SIC] Game."

GUTFELD: Why not say the title, you crazy person?

PERINO: "Imitation." The next one, this is Bob. "Dogcatcher" instead of "Foxcatcher." And you see, there's Jasper in the dog's head. It's the best place for Jasper.

Next one, starring Jasper, "Puppyhood." That was very cute. But my very favorite, my very favorite is "American TV Host," Eric Bolling.

BOLLING: Love that line at the bottom, "The most trending host."

PERINO: "The most trending host in Twitter history." Those are great movies.

BOLLING: He is so -- he or she, whoever that person is, is so creative. Those came out, like, within minutes of the Oscar nominations.

GUTFELD: You know who? It's Chris Hayes.

BOLLING: Chris Hayes?

GUTFELD: He has so little stuff to do on MSNBC, he just does that.

PERINO: People are going to believe you.

BOLLING: And I thought it was Dobbs and Hemmer.

BILA: What do you, Bob? Any of your favorites on here?

BECKEL: Well, I'm just -- I'm not going to say anything, because once again they shut "Secretariat" out. And it was the last movie I saw, and I think it deserves and Oscar.

PERINO: Yes. Go ahead.

BOLLING: I haven't seen any of them. I'm dying to see a lot of them, including "American Sniper."

The hashtag, #oscarsowhite was trending all afternoon, and a lot of people were making...

BECKEL: So white?

BOLLING: So white.

GUTFELD: All the actors and actresses. All the nominations?

BOLLING: All the nominations were white, male and female. And people are taking it on. I think -- we'll just leave it at that. That was trending.

PERINO: I do think it's surprising that "LEGO Movie" was not nominated also for best song.

GUTFELD: It was.

PERINO: Because I hear people nominated, and people think -- "LEGO Movie" was nominated for best song?

GUTFELD: Yes. "Everything is Awesome." "Everything is Awesome," yes.

PERINO: Well, that is awesome.

GUTFELD: That's what I just said.

BILA: She wasn't listening. None of us were.

GUTFELD: I know. You know what? Why am I here?

BILA: I was mesmerized.

GUTFELD: Sure you were. What a great film.

See that movie on something, it's amazing. See it sober, it's awesome.

PERINO: Like can you see it on a couch?

GUTFELD: Yes, you need, like, 15 people.

BECKEL: Who do you like? Who do you like?

BILA: There was also no female directors that were nominated. So not only is it racial issues that people are taking with it, it's not diverse, but they're saying it's not gender diverse, as well, when it comes to the directing. Like Angelina Jolie.

BECKEL: Oh, this is going a little too far. I'll repeat my question. Were there any Lithuanian lesbian one-legged women?

GUTFELD: There were no short people on there.

BECKEL: I mean, I don't get it.

PERINO: It's Hollywood, though. I mean, taking it too far.

BOLLING: Speaking of too far, what's a gay Nazi rapist?

GUTFELD: Oh, if you're ever -- "Oz" was a TV series by Tom Fontana about a prison.


GUTFELD: And J.K. played a Nazi gay rapist.

BOLLING: How do you prepare for that?

GUTFELD: Well, I don't know. He wasn't a method actor, but he was one of the greatest TV villains of all time. And it's so funny, because he plays -- he does the insurance commercials, and he puts a nice guy. And in "Whiplash," he's amazing. He is terrifying.

BILA: I can't wait to see that.

BECKEL: If you want to keep talking about movies, you can take my whole block, if you want to.

GUTFELD: All right. I want to talk about last year's Oscars.


PERINO: Wait. Did you just say he was...

BECKEL: Go ahead. You've got to get out of here.

BILA: All right. Well, coming up, Duke University reverses course on its decision to allow a weekly Muslim call to prayer from the tower of its campus chapel after widespread outrage. Bob's got the breaking details next, coming up.


BECKEL: New developments today on a religious controversy at Duke University. The school came under fire after announcing it would broadcast a Muslim call to prayer once a week from its chapel bell tower, but this afternoon, the university changed course. It says the Muslim students will instead gather on the quadrangle outside the chapel before heading into a room inside for prayer.

Duke says it remains committed to fostering an inclusive campus, but it was clear the plan to unify wasn't having the intended effect they had hoped for. Jedediah, I'm not surprised it didn't have the effect. But timing is not the best in the world.

BILA: Not the best timing, and this is typical academia. You know, they want to do this religious diversity.

The problem is, if you did this with Christianity, if you did this with anybody else, people would say, "Why are you singling them out?" There would be massive protests instantaneously. They don't want to seem Islamophobic. I don't know, do they not read the news? Do they not realize this is a little bit of a sensitive topic for people right now when we're talking about Islamic extremism all day long?

BECKEL: This is like a softball right down the middle to Greg. Go ahead, Greg.

GUTFELD: Well, I agree with Jedediah. On campus, it is accepted that you can openly mock organized religion. However, you realize that doesn't extend to Islam. And that is because, generally, undergraduates are cowards. They know that they can make fun of a Mormon or of Baptists, because they're not going to get their head chopped off. Or they're not going to get petitioned that gets them off -- kicked out of a group. So they prefer the easy battles with Christians, and in this case, religion is suddenly OK.

BILA: Yes. All of a sudden.


PERINO: I actually think that inter-faith efforts can be very good.


PERINO: And they work really well, like the faith-based initiative that was part of the Bush administration, that was not just about Christianity. That was about all sorts of different religions working together to try to do things that government cannot do well. This, I think, was possibly a little -- the timing was off, a little bit insensitive, and they already pulled it back. So I think they didn't think it all the way through.

But that is typical for colleges. We always do these stories, and it doesn't take them 24 hours for them to dissipate.

BILA: Yes.

BECKEL: Yes, sir?

BOLLING: I think the whole issue is that Duke was sanctioning it by amplifying the prayer; the sounds and the call to prayer, rather than just allowing it and saying, "OK, we're fine with this. Go do it."

And now I think what they've done is they've moved it from the chapel to the quadrangle, and allowing people, whoever want to pray, pray. And that's the way it should be. You want to pray, you want to gather, fantastic. We'll even make it nice and comfortable for you.

But to amplify the sound of the call to prayer for the Muslim group would alienate the other students that aren't Muslim. And they'd say, "Where's our prayer? Where's the Lord's Prayer? How about us? And where's the Hebrew prayers" and whatnot. So what they did was right. I think they made the right decision.

BECKEL: Well, let me just say, on this show a couple of years ago, I made a comment about another religion. I won't get into it. They are not the only ones that are getting -- that react very strongly when you come after them. And there are other religions that have done that.

And I think we've got to be a little careful, just -- and this is coming from me now, pointing out the Muslims, because there are other religions who get very sensitive about being talked about.

"One More Thing" is up next.


GUTFELD: It's time for "One More Thing." Let's start it off with Bob Beckel.

BECKEL: Well, thank you, Gregory Gutfeld.

Today would be the 86th birthday of who I consider one of the great two or three Americans that ever walked this country. And that is Martin Luther King Jr. And I want to be reminded of one thing he said in his "I Have a Dream" speech. "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." One of the great lines ever spoken and by one of the greatest men that ever walked this earth.

GUTFELD: Well done.

Perino, I hope you have something good.

PERINO: On a slightly different note, in the category of liberals ruin anything, there's not anything that New York Mayor de Blasio can get right. Do you remember this from Groundhog Day last year?




PERINO: OK, so that happened in his first year as mayor, Groundhog Day, he dropped the groundhog. What they didn't know at the mayor's office is that the groundhog died.

So there are consequences for these actions. And guess what? This year, no one is going to be allowed to touch the groundhog. It will be in a Plexiglas display case so that nobody can hurt the groundhog.

GUTFELD: He actually went there to check out, and the groundhog actually turned his back on him. Amazing.

BILA: How rude.

GUTFELD: It is rude.

PERINO: How disrespectful to the other groundhogs.

GUTFELD: Yes. Eric.

BOLLING: OK. So also in another direction, "Variety" today confirmed what we'd all been hoping for. "Sharknado 3" will happen, and sharks will descend on D.C., and work their way down the East Coast, ending in Florida. Ian Ziering, who's now embroiled in a mano-a-mano fight with Geraldo on "Celebrity Apprentice," is going to star in it. And I, for one, can't wait for "Sharknado 3."

BILA: I used to love Ian Ziering.

BOLLING: Do we not have a shot?

PERINO: I love Jaspernado. Great, great movie.

GUTFELD: Everything, you have to put Jasper in. Except a stew.

PERINO: There was a movie poster.

GUTFELD: All right, Jed.

BILA: OK. You all know the show "The Price is Right." You love it. Well, look at what happened when he announced George Gray, the announcer, decided he was going to announce a new treadmill and hop on it. Let's take a look at what happened.

PERINO: Oh, no.


GEORGE GRAY, ANNOUNCER, "THE PRICE IS RIGHT": A motorcycle, a new range, and a new treadmill!



PERINO: That's bad.

BILA: That's pretty intense. All right, so the lesson is, Greg, do not try this on set. It's a bad idea. You're going to fall.

PERINO: I thought that was Bob's advice, which is exercise is bad for you.

BECKEL: It is bad for you.

BILA: There you go.

BECKEL: It just shows you once again, it's a dangerous thing. I don't know whoever...

BILA: I give him credit for trying, man. He hopped right on there, playing no games. You go, kiddo.

GUTFELD: Whatever. All right, I haven't banned a phrase in a while. Is it me?

BECKEL: You just banned one yesterday.

GUTFELD: Did I? Well, I'm banning another one: "I hear what you're saying."

When anybody says -- begins a sentence with "I hear what you're saying," what they're really saying is they didn't hear a single thing you said, or what you said, they actually disagree with every part of it. And everything that's going to come next is going to destroy your belief or whatever you tried to express. This started, I think, about ten years ago.

PERINO: I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying.

GUTFELD: Very good.

PERINO: Actually, I never hear what you're saying.

GUTFELD: I know. You don't. You never listen.

BILA: Do you appreciate me more now for being honest and saying I don't listen to a word you say? You see?

GUTFELD: What's your name again?

BECKEL: Hey, did you tweet the royals yet?

GUTFELD: No, I haven't tweeted the royals yet. Big fan of the royals. Love them. They're great.

PERINO: Did you follow them yet?

BECKEL: Don't you remember Greg's comment about -- never mind. We won't go into that.

GUTFELD: I think we're going to go away now, aren't we?

BECKEL: Well, we're trying to burn up a little time before we get to what is it called?

GUTFELD: "Special Report."

BECKEL: There you go.

GUTFELD: "Special Report" is up next. It's going to be a very special episode.

PERINO: Very special. Very special time.

GUTFELD: Marcia gets her braces off.

PERINO: Special panel.


All right, just keep looking at me.

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