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Yemen connection to Paris attacks raises new Gitmo concerns

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," January 14, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five."

Al Qaeda in Yemen has claimed responsibility for last week's attack on Charlie Hebdo just a few months after President Obama cited Yemen as a counterterrorist success story.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us while supporting partners on the front lines is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years.

Thanks for our military and counterterrorism professionals. We took out Usama bin Laden, much of Al Qaeda's leadership in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and leaders of Al Qaeda affiliates in Yemen and Somalia.

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PERINO: And then how can the administration expect to vanquish terror if it won't even identify who the enemy is?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The leader of France, your ally in this effort, has put a name on this ideology which he called radical Islam. You have gone -- bent over backwards, you know, to not ever say that.

JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARTY: I certainly wouldn't want to be in a position where I'm repeating the justification that they have cited, but I think is completely illegitimate, that they have invoked Islam to try to justify their attacks. We have not chosen to use that label because it doesn't seem to accurately describe had happened.

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PERINO: OK. The Yemen connection has raised new concerns about transfers of former Gitmo detainees to the country, especially in light of the rate that former prisoners are returning to the battlefields. Republican senators are now introducing legislation that would put serious restrictions on the president's ability to transfer prisoners out of Guantanamo Bay for the remainder of his term. And I just took a look Eric, earlier today. I understand the goal and the desire to close Gitmo. However, in this situation, of the 127 detainees left -- since we have a list here, 81 of those detainees are from Yemen. And one of the things you could try to do is Gitmo is send them to other countries and expect them to hold them and make sure that they are not going to return to the battlefield. But, I think this legislation by the Republicans is kind of smart. It's just like, asking (ph) for a pause. Like, let's gather ourselves before we rush to closing Gitmo, agree?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: And probably they know -- I think earlier today the White House or someone from Capitol Hill on the Democrats' side said the recidivism rate isn't as high as a lot of the news agencies have been reporting. How do you know? How do you.

PERINO: Well, we had the national -- the director of national intelligence said it's 30 percent.

BOLLING: Yeah. And -- they tried to squash that today. They put the number somewhere around under 10 percent. The point is how do you know? If you're tracking them and following them and they return to the battlefield -- kill them. I mean, they should be 100 percent let them go back and then kill them. But the only way to know if it's 10 percent or 30 percent is because you know where they are. If you know where they are, kill them. So today a couple of pieces of news came out, Islamic state, Al Qaeda took responsibility for the attack in -- Paris. And also, Boko Haram released a video praising the attack in Paris. So, we now know that Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, ISIS, they're all together, they're all playing for the -- they're all cut from the same cloth and the cloth is Muslim extremism, Islamic extremism. It's time we start calling it what it is, that's exactly what it is.

PERINO: And there was Breaking News Kimberly, right before we came on air, that there was an Ohio man, his name is Christopher Lee Cornell, he's also known as Raheel Mahrus Ubaydah, he was arrested earlier today on charges of attempting to kill a U.S. government official. He wanted to wage jihad with bombs and guns inside the capitol building. We don't know a lot about him yet, if he was sophisticated or not. But we know that there's at least somebody that there -- law enforcement was able to get before he tried anything.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Right. I mean, this is no surprise. We know we don't need to have a bulletin or a top-secret memo come out to say that there are sleeper cells that are active in the United States. They are waiting for the opportunity. The one thing that we know for sure that the enemy has is patience. And they have patience to wait to take the path of least resistance. They will take their moment here, and we have to be ready. That's why it's really problematic that this administration, liberals in general, have such a reluctant, such a loathing to call the enemy what it is. Why not label them, and why are we releasing them? We're directly helping their recruiting efforts and resupplying their forces by letting these guys out of Gitmo. Why would we do that? They're lucky to even be in Gitmo. Those guys are lucky to even be breathing and now we're gonna let them back go to Yemen to the Star Wars bar scene, with that they can go out and do more harm in the United States, in the U.K., in Canada, in Australia, wherever they can find an opportunity. It is frightening and I fully support this legislation. Put a pause on it.

PERINO: It used to be Bob that the goal for closing national security -- the goal for closing Gitmo from the Obama administration side was because it hurt our national security. But in all of the recent attacks from Boko Haram, ISIS, Al Qaeda, in Canada, Australia and England with that beheading, no one is side -- none of those organizations, terrorist organizations, loosely affiliated are citing Gitmo, they're citing jihad. And I'm wondering from your perspective, for folks sitting at home -- is it understandable that they are confused about the president's position on fighting terror, especially at the podium? They have -- they go to such lengths to not say Islamic terror?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: But we -- you know, we talked about this yesterday. First of all, the last of the people in Guantanamo are probably the worst of -- I mean, the Bush administration let a lot of them go. The Obama administration let a lot of them go. Some of them did go back to the battlefield. We don't know how many exactly. By the way, you've seen these terms, Al Qaeda and the rest, everything, they all fly under the same banner, right? The Islamic jihadists and the -- I have to think that somewhere in the -- president made the decision, maybe because he didn't want to -- he thought he was going to alienate 1.1 billion --

BOLLING: 1.6 billion.

BECKEL: 1.6 billion Muslims. That he made the decision not to use that. If this is not, who -- we said this yesterday, it's not a coincidence that all of these -- from the press office or the secretary of state don't use the word.

PERINO: Right.

BECKEL: It had to come from the president. And what his reason is, I don't know.

PERINO: Do you think he's gonna need to explain that?

BECKEL: I think he should explain it before you -- I said yesterday, I don't think you explain it by having people not say it.

PERINO: Right.

BECKEL: And he can say here's the part.

PERINO: Just explain why.

BECKEL: We don't want to do it, right.

PERINO: OK.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: I know -- Greg, but yesterday we were trying to figure out what was the term that they were avoided?

PERINO: Yes.

BOLLING: War on terror.

PERINO: Why is it?

BOLLING: They wouldn't say war on terror.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, that's.

BOLLING: I don't know the rest.

GUILFOYLE: That was one of the phrase, yeah.

BOLLING: And they just couldn't say they bring themselves to call a war, on terror, combat terrorism. But there was -- and now for some reason, they have this weird word games. They just wanna say things like it's not happening.

PERINO: It's like the overseas contingency operation.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: Well, I think it does matter -- let's me ask Greg, actually. In terms of -- you try to be persuasive, you're trying to lead an effort to counterterrorism, does it matter what you call it?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well, imagine if you had an exterminator come to your house.

PERINO: OK.

GUTFELD: And you have a serious roach problem and he goes, we don't like to call them roaches. We like to call them little happy flowery things. And we don't want to kill them, we need to reeducate them. You can't educate killers, especially ruthless killers. The idea -- what troubles me mostly, we've had this debate about Gitmo forever. It exposes a priority that doesn't make any sense. If you're in the middle of a snowstorm, the first thing you do is you don't strip to your undies. And that's what we're doing. Instead of closing Gitmo, we should be expanding it. We should be franchising it. Make it like, Taco Bell, but it's terror bell. And this is an interesting thing about President Obama's concern over Islamophobia. Why the obsession to close Gitmo? That, in a weird way, exposes the president's bigotry, because why would a prison that houses terrorists be offensive to Muslims? If religion is not a factor. If you believe that religion is not a factor, you should not be worrying about offending 1.7 billion because you have a place that holds terrorists. But by making the link that somehow Gitmo is offensive to Islam -- Muslims, you are the bigot. Not us. I don't see a religion when I see a terrorist. I just see somebody get killed. If you take religion out of the equation, then why are they so sensitive after a terror attack? After every attack, they yell backlash, and that backlash is louder than anybody shouting radical Islam. That's hypocrisy. Why the defensive -- why the defensive stands after people kill? That's Islamophobia.

GUILFOYLE: You can't.

BECKEL: OK. I was --

GUILFOYLE: They have it.

BECKEL: And say what.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: I'm not.

PERINO: Sure. BECKEL: I was talking to a former military general over at O'Reilly's earlier and, he said you know, Bob, I can't agree with anything, but will say this. You're right about ISIS. ISIS has taken a beating on the ground. Their leadership, they lost land and interestingly enough, I didn't know this, in Afghanistan, the Afghani military is actually doing a pretty good job holding off the Taliban. So, --

GUILFOYLE: That wasn't Peter who said that.

BECKEL: No, it certainly wasn't. But --

PERINO: And that would be well and good. And --

BECKEL: I just think we ought to at least acknowledge the fact that there is some progress being made.

PERINO: Well, I think that's debatable and --

BOLLING: Can -- yeah, can --

PERINO: Go ahead.

BOLLING: Even go further. They're telling me in my ear that there is Breaking News right now that ISIS just time -- infiltrated where? Southern Afghanistan. OK. I'm -- so they're telling me that ISIS just infiltrated Southern Afghanistan.

BECKEL: You know why?

BOLLING: Over a simple day (ph)

BECKEL: You know why?

BOLLING: I'm simply saying for two or three days, you've said, it's working and we're pretty.

BECKEL: In fact, because they're being pushed back. They're going to one place they can find protection which is the --

BOLLING: You know what we should do? Push them back into Syria. Stop trying to kill them. Just push them in Syria, let Syria.

GUILFOYLE: Well --

BOLLING: Deal with their problem that they started. That's where they came from. Push them back there.

GUILFOYLE: But pushing back isn't a philosophy to win a war. That's just, like, shuffling around like a shell game. You have to destroy them. You have to annihilate them so they are no longer in existence, because otherwise, then they crop back up and they get a new name, they hire a New York PR company, and now it's not ISIS or AQAP, it's somebody else.

PERINO: I know whose front (ph)

GUILFOYLE: Sure.

PERINO: Let me ask you one thing about taking your eye off the ball when you were talking about the priorities and stripping to your undies in a snowstorm or whatever that was. The fact that we have so many national -- western nationals from Europe and America that have gone to places like Syria, or Yemen, now to Libya or Afghanistan to train and they've come back, isn't our bigger problem now, the fact that we have the sleeper cells to deal with?

GUTFELD: Right.

PERINO: We're fighting on multiple fronts. And all of the sudden we're upright back to a global war on terror.

GUTFELD: Yeah, I mean, these actually aren't people that weren't born here. These are -- these are radicalized citizens, which means why we need the NSA. We need people to track these people because they are not foreigners. They are here. They're radicalized -- radicalized in prison. You know, the media creates a straw man army. Whenever you condemn radical Islam, what they do is they say, but there are millions of peaceful Muslims. So why do you say this? But did it ever occur to you that there can be both? There are peaceful Muslims and there are bad ones? And every time that you say that, you are making it harder and harder for the peaceful Muslims to actually stand up and fight the non-peaceful ones by combing them together. They use children to kill. You cannot have a summit on tolerance to dissuade people from using children to blow things up. They use children to blow things up. You can't persuade them of anything. It's like taking an earthquake to a therapist or teaches an end table to dance. It's impossible. Buying a magazine is not enough.

BECKEL: We've got some -- we got -- what France learned about homegrown cells, they paid a price for. We are also having homegrown cells here.

GUTFELD: Right.

BECKEL: I would start in Detroit if I were looking for them, by the way.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BECKEL: And by the way, it's interesting, it's -- sometimes, it's four against one -- sometimes we all agree like Islamic terrorism. But, it would be nice to have somebody up in the booth that they're actually gives you some information, it would be helpful.

PERINO: You didn't think that was helpful?

BOLLING: OK -- whatever. But -- for days Bob, you've been making a point on something that people have said on Twitter, I leave this -- I literally get Bob, why do you let him say that and why they push back?

BECKEL: Because it's true.

BOLLING: Because it's five people sitting here and we have literally seven or eight minutes. And we've got to get out of these segments, that's, that's why. Before we go, we're running out of time, can we just talk about what CAIR did today? --

PERINO: Yes, I was going to call for that sound bite. I get to go ahead. I get the permission from the man upstairs, alright. Watched this press conference earlier today, CAIR's complaining about Charlie Hebdo response to the cartoon that they put up yesterday and sold about 5 million magazines.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NIHAD AWAD, CAIR NATIONAL EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR: We cannot allow ourselves to be victims to extremists on both sides. Why do we defend the right for someone to speak their mind, to do whatever they want? We are not willing to respect the feelings of almost 2 million people around the world, 25 percent or 20 percent of the world population.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: It would have been amazing if he came out and said -- I love it.

BOLLING: Yeah. He should have just come out and said look, this is we -- we condemn those acts that happened over there and point a finger at violent extremists within the -- within Islam instead have, there are extremists on both sides. The problem is with the violent extremists on Islam's side, they're the murderous thugs killing people. And on the other, they call extremists, they're the ones who are dead and lying in blood in office buildings, innocent people not --

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: Sounds like Marie Harf. With-- there are many multiple extremist ideology that a vast, yeah.

BOLLING: Air failed once again to take an opportunity to be what you're supposed to be, Council for Islamic -- American Islamic relations. You didn't do it CAIR, once again.

BECKEL: The other thing they did, this guys also, did I miss it? Did he say we defend the right to say what you want to say? That's what he said, right? I mean --

PERINO: Well, he did but then he said there are extremists on both sides and they didn't like the cover and complaining about it.

BECKEL: Oh, well, that's too bad.

GUTFELD: Think about this. We know with rape that you never, ever blame the victim. But with terror, you can.

PERINO: Always.

BOLLING: If you're CAIR.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: It has conscience? (ph)

GUTFELD: It's always -- it's always their fault, too.

PERINO: Everybody, we're gonna go to break.

GUTFELD: They did -- they had it coming. They dressed the part.

PERINO: Since right and --

GUTFELD: Charlie wouldn't -- just like a woman who dressed suggestively.

PERINO: I do really have to get out of here.

GUTFELD: I know.

PERINO: We're all going to think about your snowstorm unclothing.

BECKEL: Would anybody like a tea? (ph) I would make --

PERINO: I want --

BECKEL: That -- cartoon on made into a t-shirt, I'm gonna wear it. Anybody else want to wear it? Somebody out there who wants to --

GUTFELD: Can we wear on it? Can wear --

PERINO: Would it be a v-neck?

BECKEL: They won't let me wear it on the air. I tried to today.

PERINO: Will it be a v-neck or a crew neck?

BECKEL: It would be.

GUTFELD: I would like to see if it hand cop.

BOLLING: Hand cop.

GUTFELD: But neck.

BOLLING: A belly -- a belly shirt.

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, God.

PERINO: Now we're all going to have to contemplate that in the commercial break. We got to go. The commercial -- The President wants to make community college free to everyone, but there's no such thing as a free lunch, so who's on the hook? You guessed it. You are, next.

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BOLLING: On Friday afternoon, President Obama unveiled a fairly radical new education proposal in Knoxville, Tennessee. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: I'm announcing an ambitious new plan to bring down the cost of community college tuition in America. I want to bring it down to zero. I want to make it free. Community colleges should be free for those willing to work for it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Well, what the president's failed to mention in his remarks is the cost, how is it free? It's $60 billion over ten years, a price tag that you and I, the taxpayer, will foot. We want to find out some recent college graduates' reaction of the president's proposed plan. So we sent a producer to the campus of NYU. Here are the results.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIIFED MALE: I think that's a great idea. It's very long overdue.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It definitely supports the idea of education for all people.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For the right people, it makes sense for them to be able to have, like, a free college fund.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Philosophically, I like the idea. That's obviously we have to look at the numbers.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everyone deserves education. Everyone deserves that equal opportunity.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who do I think would pay for it? Is it the state?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I guess it would have to be funded somehow, you know, the taxpayers.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As a taxpayer, I would be pissed if my money was sort of going to -- dropouts? I guess, yeah.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So I guess we're still paying for it? So is it really free, then?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Congratulations.

PERINO: I love that logic.

BOLLING: So take that one. And also we are paying -- so it's not just free?

PERINO: Can I -- yeah, that was a little disingenuous on the president's part. It's like, you know, when you go out a politician says, free ice cream for everybody, it means somebody has to pay for it. Now, of course if you say free ice cream for everybody, there's going to be a lot of people who say, that sounds like a great idea. An interesting thing about this, in the last two years of a president's term, you know, you've got to think of something new, that you can maybe try to get passed. And I don't think this they actually believe this will get passed, but I am curious about one thing. There's a thing called -- there's an organization in the government that gives Pell Grants to people. Pell Grants have expanded in the last three administrations, they work really well -- it's actually the same thing. If you qualify for a Pell Grant, you don't -- they'd have to pay for your community college. It covers that. So I don't see how this is any different.

BOLLING: It sounds like he's suggesting that anyone that wants, any take -- any takers can probably access it. K.G., cradle to the grave, now we're up to what? When you graduate college on 20, 22 years old, so they've got you covered almost the whole way.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, pacifier to the grave. Why don't we actually make sure that children can read and write at even a fifth grade level, let's start out with that. I mean, he's really jumping the shark with the community college situation that you know, where is he gonna get the (inaudible) but he doesn't care because it sounds good. He sounds like the greatest guy ever. It's like health care. You know, empty promises and then oh, as it turns out whose gonna get hit the hardest? The middle class once again. This is the most punitive administration towards the middle class that we have seen in a very, very long time. And how about putting some money towards vocational school that actually produced jobs and fill needs in manufacturing and other areas that people can actually have a future and a career and do something to put money, to put food on the table and have money in their pocket. That's what we should do.

BOLLING: Good call.

PEIRNO: That's right.

BOLLING: Hey, Greg, can the government do anything right?

GUTFELD: Well, the military. But, the reason why the military is so great is that they're far away from a lot of the government access and a lot of bureaucracy. Completion rates in community colleges are awful.

PERINO: Yes.

GUTFELD: One out of five students complete college in 150 percent of the time they're supposed to take it. So just even one-fifth, that takes them 1 1/2 times as long. You compare that to the poor -- poor profit colleges, the people who make money, there's a 63 percent completion rate. The lesson is that people value what they pay for. You don't lose anything if you throw something away that was given to you for free. So essentially, what President Obama's doing is what a lot of young people do like. They're offering you a time-out from life. Taxpayers are going to pay for two years of you dabbling of you trying to discover yourself, trying to figure out what you want to be in life. It's not a serious consideration of your future if it's on somebody else's dime.

BOLLING: Hey, Bob, another big concern of this is people are now saying, well you know, we have a lot of issues with common core. Are they going to institute some sort of common core through -- through -- you know, two years of college now, too?

BECKEL: No. I assume they're not. But you know, one of the things here that does not quite make sense to me is you could take the Pell Grants and increase the size, that's what they were meant for, for people who --

PERINO: Yes.

BECKEL: But not afford to go to. The other thing is on trade schools, you know, -- we issue taxes and bonds. And trade schools benefit from that, because a lot of the students that go there like, for example, IT and tourism (ph) I used to represent these I should make that clear. But, they do use that money for people getting things like, become mechanics in airlines, and they do well. And they make a lot of money.

PERINO: And another thing Eric, and that is that, more than 1/3 of students, when they leave 12th grade, if they graduate from high school, more than a thirds of them, if they got -- go to college, they have to take remedial-level courses. So, I think a better effort would be, to improve the last two years of high school so that then you can then, you know, go to a certification school, go to a four-year college or go travel the world, whatever you want to do. But, those two years shouldn't have to be done repeated for free in the next two years. And then by the time you're 20, you're still at a 12th grade reading level.

BECKEL: I'm still taking remedial classes myself.

BOLLING: I have one other idea here, how about increasing the availability of a student loan rather than a grant or just declaring everything for free?

PERINO: Oh I've -- it's worth talking about, though, but the student loan situation, that's the next bubble.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: That's gonna burst.

BOLLING: No question. However, -- better than just here's the handout, right? And --

PERINO: What about increasing the tax deferment thing when the child is born, you know that --

BOLLING: Beautiful. Yeah.

PERINO: You have a little account that you can make.

GUTFELD: From the subsidies.

BOLLING: All, all ideas where you have to pay it back, you're on -- you're at least responsible on someone to the point that Greg was making, if you're at least responsible for something that you're paying into the system, you're more likely gonna guard it.

(CROSSTALK) GUTFELD: Yeah, and the subsidy -- subsidies allow you to raise prices which makes it easier. More easier to afford for the rich and not to the poor.

BECEKL: And what about, what about making tax-deductible college education?

PERINO: That would be a great Republican idea.

BOLLING: That's another one. You like lower taxes.

BECKEL: No, I think --

BOLLING: I love it.

BECKEL: That's a good idea.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: And it's pro-family.

BECKEL: I would like to take my kids' tuition.

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: He's just looking out for Bob.

BECKEL: Correct. That was correct.

PERINO: You're gonna add to people's suspicions that you're changing.

BOLLING: They're telling that we gonna go.

BECKEL: No, no. No, no.

BOLLING: So you may know by now Homeland is one of my favorite shows on TV, for four seasons, since plot had revolved around Muslim terrorist. But, that could be changing next season. Did real-life terrorism play a role in the decision alter, Homeland's story line, coming up.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me ask you a question, Chris. Would you be surprised if I told you that they've credited you with over 160 kills? Do you ever think that you might have seen things or done some things over there that you wish you hadn't?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, that's not me, no.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: That's a clip from "American Sniper," the new biographical war drama based on the life of Chris Kyle, the most lethal sniper in U.S. military history. It was directed by Clint Eastwood, who was just asked about his long history of exploring violence in his films and if he ever tires of it. Here's his answer.

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CLINT EASTWOOD, ACTOR/DIRECTOR: No, because it is -- it's an important subject. And what it does to people and what it's constantly doing now. And it's just all -- everything is -- nothing changes.

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GUILFOYLE: OK. So Eric, he feels that this is necessary, to be able to see violence, that it's the reality in the world that we live in.

BOLLING: As long as the person directing the film and writing the screenplay is accurate. I mean, we see so many films where they water down, they make the ending -- it makes us look bad. We shouldn't be in certain places. You saw it, right?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I did.

BOLLING: I haven't seen it yet, so I can't really comment on the film, but I'm hoping it's as real as it possibly can be.

GUILFOYLE: It's a great film.

BOLLING: I'm looking forward to seeing some -- some real -- by the way, huge fan of Chris Kyle. And Jesse Ventura, loser.

GUILFOYLE: We can all concur on that.

GUTFELD: Not really.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, you like Jesse Ventura?

GUTFELD: I still don't buy the final story on that. I think that Ventura might be right. So there you go. You can't just say that without any proof. He's suing him for a reason.

BOLLING: He's suing the family. That's my problem.

GUTFELD: No, that's a problem. That's a problem. We still don't know what happened.

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. I personally talked to six of the guys that were there in the bar that night, so I actually believe them. I don't believe that they would go on to serve their country so honorably and perjure themselves on the stand. But that is my own...

BECKEL: That's another subject.

GUILFOYLE: Exactly.

BECKEL: Going back to Clint Eastwood, who is my man. Eastwood goes back and really was the -- he really began the real violent movie, remember the spaghetti westerns, and the "Hang 'em High," "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly." I think he's got something to be said for him.

My brother's done some movies with him, and he does believe strongly that you ought to show what really happens. And crime, and there's violence. And look, if you look at what's on these video games now, those are the most violent things you could possibly imagine that they put out there.

So I don't think that saying violence has no place really makes any sense.

GUTFELD: But it's got -- the key here, it's not about quantity. It's about quality. Like your brother's movie, "L.A. Confidential," is an amazing film, because the violence was real. "Trainspotting," great violence. "Clockwork Orange," "Man Bites Dog, "Blue Velvet." All these movies weren't filled with violence, but the violence was precise and the violence was necessary. I think -- and it has to be satisfying. It has to actually -- you have to go, "OK, this makes sense."

The problem with violence these days is that it's primarily gratuitous. It started in 1992 with "Reservoir Dogs" with Quentin Tarantino, where he married music to the violent events of the movie so that it romanticized bloodshed, and it romanticized suffering so that people always had to do better. To do worse. They had to make it worse to get more attention.

BECKEL: Like ISIS (ph).

GUTFELD: Yes. But if you go back at movies that are really shocking like "Clockwork Orange" or even "The Road Warrior" or even "Dirty Harry," those movies don't actually have that much violence. But you remember them.

BECKEL: Yes, you do.

GUILFOYLE: Let's talk about "Homeland," right? Getting a lot of buzz. And the question is, are the creators of "Homeland" cowering to radical Islam and terrorism? Take a listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: By the grace of God, we will strike the heaviest blow at the crusaders who occupy our country. How long have they flown over our homes? Bombed our weddings and funerals, murdered our women and children? We will drive them from our skies. We will show their crimes to the world.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: All right. Sorry. "Homeland," season 4.

PERINO: I'm on the second show of season 4. So I didn't even know that that's what happened. We just spoiled ourselves on the show.

I watch the show, though, "Homeland" and other shows where there's violence. I tend to more listen than watch. I'll avert my eyes. And maybe it's the music, right? The music cues you that something really bad is going to happen.

I think it's one of the reasons I couldn't watch "Breaking Bad," because that was, like -- that violence came out of the clear blue sky. And that was too -- it was too much for me.

I hope that "Homeland" doesn't change, though. The reason that I love it is because it helps me understand better. I don't think it is all pro -- you know, U.S. side. I think it's fairly balanced. I would imagine that the Muslim world doesn't think so.

BOLLING: They play around a little bit. To their credit, though, so much of it is so believable, because it's ripped right from the headlines. And that's really why I've loved that show since the very beginning. If they start to pivot and say well, you know, let's take a look at other forms of violent extremism, you know, like a la the Obama administration, I'm not going to watch anymore. The really cool thing about "Homeland" and "Tyrant," you don't know if you're watching a documentary or you're watching a drama.

BECKEL: What's your guess?

BOLLING: I think they'll continue. It's super successful. It makes a ton of money so I think they'll continue. I hope they do.

GUTFELD: I heard that they're actually going to be -- go up against some crazed Methodists. And I'm looking -- I'm looking forward to that.

Also, I think, you know -- I think they need to introduce violence into other areas of film, like romantic comedies. I think "Love Actually" would have been so much better with dismemberment at the end. Everybody gets dismembered.

PERINO: Yes. You're absolutely right.

GUILFOYLE: And that would have been "American Psycho."

GUTFELD: Yes, exactly. Much better than "Love Actually."

"Love Actually," the worst movie ever made.

PERINO: Yes, all right. I will not be baited.

Ahead, do you think you could be separated from your smartphone for an hour? Well, how about a day? A lot of people physically can't handle being without theirs. Greg's going to tell you all about it next.

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GUTFELD: According to a new study, people separated from their cell phones suffer mental breakdowns. Researchers had them solve puzzles while placing their iPhones further away. Those unable to answer their device had huge jumps in anxiety, heart rate and blood pressure. Conclusion: without your phones, you're finished.

Perhaps. But whatever anxiety you experienced merely trumps real concerns. After all, a security blanket is what you hug when you have nothing else to hug.

Leaving home without your phone is like leaving home without your pants. A feeling I'm more than familiar with.

The anxiety is borne from two made-up stresses. The fear that you are missing out on something, like nuclear war or a cat video; and a fear of isolation. It speaks to a mutation of priorities. Inundated by disposable crap treated equally by our synapses, we replace thought with distraction.

In the good old days, our lives were three concentric circles. You had you. You had your family, and you had your community. Cell phones pollute such structures, secreting hundreds of daily intruders. Pointless trivia, celebrity tweets, unnecessary texts, temporary outrages, adorable ferret videos, which is fine. We're living much longer, after all, and we need to fill this 80-year bucket with something, especially when what we used to fill it with -- work, family, responsibility -- seem so quaint, so silly.

It's why even real outrage these days over terror, for example, quickly dissipates. A Boko Haram massacre, it lasts a day, but a cat video, that lasts forever.

All right, Dana, I'm going to go to you. How long can you go without your phone?

PERINO: Well, in researching this, I tried to think about the last time I left my phone, and I can't think of one, really.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: I'm guilty.

GUTFELD: You are guilty?

PERINO: I don't know if I...

GUTFELD: Do you feel weird, like you're missing a limb?

PERINO: I feel proud of myself sometimes, like on a Sunday when I'm going to go for a walk, and I'll say, "I'm leaving my phone." Like some, like, big sacrifice.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: I'm not proud of myself tonight.

GUTFELD: Yes. Eric, I feel that way when I walk from one side of my apartment to the other without my phone.

BOLLING: Keep looking back.

GUTFELD: What an achievement on my part.

BOLLING: See it's right over there where you left it.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: I get distressed when my power level gets maybe around a quarter or less.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: It's like this is going to be a problem.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: I'm thinking of the next place that I'll be able to charge the phone.

I once went away to the Bahamas -- to the Bahamas, I think.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: And I didn't know -- right, the Bahamas. And I didn't know that I was going to lose cell service. For four days, I couldn't get cell service. I couldn't figure out how to get Bahaman Tell to open up my data and my cell service. And about the second day in, I realized, "I'm not going to get this." It was torturous.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: It was torturous.

PERINO: But don't you get to a point where you're like, "Oh, that feels so good"?

BOLLING: No. I never got over it. And I told my wife, "Please don't take me to that place again. Let's never go there again."

GUTFELD: Where does this anxiety come from, Bob?

BECKEL: I don't have it. I mean, I will say this at this table. Every -- there's one person that doesn't have a phone here, and that would be me. Now...

PERINO: Why? Because you left it somewhere?

BECKEL: No, it's in my pocket.

GUILFOYLE: What do you mean? Mine's charging.

BECKEL: I've lost them -- it's been three or four times. Because I don't have my contact list, I can't touch base with people. Outside of that, I don't look at it. I don't look at Twitter; I don't look at anything. In case -- all you people send me those nasty Twitters. Once in a while I look at it, but it just doesn't -- I don't get where you guys -- you guys are glued to these.

PERINO: I think it's generational. I do. I think that -- like Kimberly's son will grow up -- this will just be a part of his world, so maybe he won't have high anxiety, because it won't be different.

GUILFOYLE: Well, he was panicking last night, worried about -- because his friend Teddy changed his code on his phone. He was trying to get back into it. And he was, like, "I want to set up the thumbprint to be able to get in."

But I mean, they're used to it. He knows more about the phones these days than I do, you know. They grow up with it. But I don't know. I don't see how we're going to limit or lower our, you know, dependency on it.

BECKEL: How long could you be -- how long could you be without your phone, you think?

GUILFOYLE: Commercial break.

BOLLING: Is it -- is it an addiction?

GUTFELD: I think it's just like -- it's just like -- it's just now something you can't do without. I don't know if it's an addiction.

BECKEL: No, it is an addiction.

PERINO: I think it is. I had that -- remember when I went to the mercy ship? There was a neurosurgeon there from San Diego. He was volunteering on the ship. And he was telling us that in his research that he has shown that you get, like, a little thrill every time you see that there's...

GUTFELD: Yes.

BECKEL: We did that topic on this show not -- a year ago.

GUTFELD: Yes, I think we did.

You know what? I developed this thing. I call it cellulosis. Do you ever have the urge to grab somebody's phone out of their hand and hurl it? I have that, like every -- I'll be in the theater. Somebody's next to me. I want to grab it, and I want to throw it.

PERINO: Like, if they're texting on it?

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GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: Especially if they have their iPhone on?

GUTFELD: I just want to grab it.

BOLLING: Wasn't there a case where a guy...

GUTFELD: Kevin Williams did it, right?

PERINO: No, in the movie theater.

GUTFELD: Kevin Williams, he did it on Broadway during a theater.

BECKEL: Isn't cellulite what you don't want have growing on the back of your skin? Seriously.

PERINO: That's true, Bob.

GUTFELD: How did that happen?

BECKEL: I was trying to figure out what you were talking about.

GUTFELD: I said cellulosis. I just made up a word.

BECKEL: OK.

GUTFELD: Ahead, was mass murder and terror in Paris a teachable moment, as the left loves to say? Jimmy Carter thinks so, next.

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BECKEL: I'm sorry, Eric was telling me about a new drink.

Former president Jimmy Carter's made some news over a couple of comments following the jihadist attacks in Paris. Here's one of them.

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JIMMY CARTER, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: But one of the origins for it is the Palestinian problem. You know, and this aggravates people who are affiliated in any way with the Arab people who live in the West Bank and Gaza. What they're doing now, what's being done to them. But I think that's part of it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: Carter also believes the attacks could help the world see Islam in a better light.

PERINO: Oh.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CARTER: I think this is going to give a lot of people incentive to look into Islam and see what it is about this religion that makes it great. That makes it appeal to really billions of people and to understand that the Islamic leaders condemn this kind of terrorism just like the rest of the world.

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BECKEL: All right. Just truth for a moment (ph), I worked for President Carter in the White House, so I'll be last to talk here, because I'm sure that his comments were not met with a great deal of congratulatory comments here -- Eric.

BOLLING: I'm shocked that someone would let an ex-president go out there on "The Daily Show," no less, and make these comments. The Palestinian problem? And what's being done about the Palestinian problem?

Here's what the Palestinian problem is. The problem is they're part of a group that's financing Hamas and Hezbollah. Hamas and Hezbollah are financing terror around the world and -- which also has its tentacles within the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood puts up CAIR in America, kind of a P.R. front so that people say, "Oh, is -- Islam in America are going to be OK. They're going to get along." Meanwhile, there's nothing going on like that whatsoever. They're hiding behind...

BECKEL: Dana. Let's just go around the table. Dana.

BOLLING: ... the terrorist group (ph).

PERINO: I think attacks by Islamic terrorists have killed many more moderate Muslims than anyone else. And not identifying the enemy as radical Islamic terrorists and giving them an excuse, that they try to claim, I think, exacerbates a bad situation.

I also believe that we have a commander in chief. And he is responsible for setting the foreign policy of the United States, and I think that the formers should either be constructive or quiet.

BECKEL: Greg.

GUTFELD: Three things. France, last time I checked, is pretty pro- Palestinian, right?

PERINO: Yes, they just voted -- they just voted with The U.N.

GUTFELD: That's idiotic. And what it does is it shows you that the phantom tolerance of Islamophobia can take any human being and turn them into a purveyor of cartoonist platitudes. Because what he said was nonsense.

If your family was attacked, would your first concern be the welfare of your attackers?

GUILFOYLE: NO. Look, I think it's sad. I looked at that, I listened to his words, and it just, you know -- it made me feel bad, like who's managing him? I don't know if he's doing very well. It seems even a stretch for him. I mean that in a nice way.

BECKEL: I understand.

GUILFOYLE: But I -- and to put him on "The Daily Show"?

GUTFELD: You're worried about him, like he's your grandfather.

BECKEL: Let me just say that most terrorist attacks...

GUILFOYLE: I did the DNA test.

BECKEL: ... before 9/11 were grounded out of the Palestinian argument. I think it's an argument -- a piece of it.

But one thing about Jimmy Carter. He can say this. By bringing the Camp David Accords into reality, he saved Israel from a two-front war; and that kept Israel from having to fight more wars than it did. And I think he's to be congratulated for that.

BOLLING: So what is this, an apology?

BECKEL: No. What do you mean?

BOLLING: Sounds like it.

GUILFOYLE: Sounds like he's confused.

BECKEL: You just...

BOLLING: We got to go.

GUILFOYLE: Never mind. BECKEL: No, it's not an apology. I'm very proud of it.

"One More Thing" is up next.

BOLLING: Not you.

GUILFOYLE: Not you.

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PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing." I'm going to kick it off, and we're going to have to say good bye to an amazing life. He was a bull. His name was Toy Story. He was a real -- a ravenous libido kind of guy. He sired 500,000 offspring.

GUTFELD: Wow.

PERINO: He was born in 2001, and he recently died. And they say he was just the most -- like, he was a dream bull is what the editor of "Holstein International."

BECKEL: Five hundred thousand?

PERINO: Five hundred thousand offspring, Bob.

BECKEL: You can die and go to heaven with that, brother.

PERINO: It's amazing. Congratulations to the breeders there, I guess.

Greg, you're next.

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GUTFELD: Greg's Secret to Happiness.

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GUTFELD: Now in 3-D. You know when you're -- a little piece of advice. When you're throwing out your pandas, it always pays to have a garbage can with a lid on it, as you'll see here.

We have a young couple trying to get rid of their pandas. They were tired of them. The panda smelled, and they trying to get them into the trash can. But the problem was, you know, the pandas aren't going to stay in the trash can if you don't have a lid on your trash can.

See? When they leave what happens? The pandas get out and then they wreak havoc. This happened to me last year. The pandas got into my hot tub. It was disgusting what they did in there. They're perverts.

BECKEL: What the hell was that about? Who has pandas in their house?

GUTFELD: Everybody has a panda in their house.

PERINO: Eric.

BOLLING: OK, so the car brand Lincoln's sales up 16 percent in 2014. Some people are crediting this guy.

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MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY, ACTOR: It's not about hugging trees. It's not about being wasteful either. You've got to find that balance.

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BOLLING: So Greg, I'm wondering. Do you think sales are up because of Matthew McConaughey or sales are just up? What do you think?

GUTFELD (DOING MCCONAUGHEY IMITATION): I think that a car like that is just something you drive.

BOLLING (DOING MCCONAUGHEY IMITATION): All right, all right.

GUTFELD (DOING MCCONAUGHEY IMITATION): Something you drive.

BOLLING: Absolutely.

PERINO: All right. K.G., you're next.

GUILFOYLE: Well, it's official, the royals have their own Twitter account.

PERINO: Oh!

GUILFOYLE: I knew you'd be excited about that. Now you won't be able to put your smart phones down, for sure.

Kate Middleton, Prince William, Prince Harry are all on board.

BOLLING: Oh, boy.

GUILFOYLE: It is @KensingtonRoyal. So if you want to get on there right now. Their first tweet was, "Hello from Kensington Palace. Welcome to our new Twitter account. This account represents the duke and duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry. Follow for updates on their work." And the hashtag #royalfoundation.

BECKEL: Hashtag #GregGutfeld.

GUILFOYLE: Greg is going to be on there.

GUTFELD: Why?

PERINO: The parody accounts are going to be the best.

GUTFELD: Why?

PERINO: Bob, you are next.

BECKEL: This is one of my messages to the masses, and it's simply this. That is I care what you think. I just don't care what you think about me. I've tried to explain that to my daughter, who thinks that everybody thinks about her more than they do. Everybody out there thinks people think about them. They don't. Think about -- care about what people think, just don't care what they think about you and you'll go a lot farther.

PERINO: This is like the perennial...

GUILFOYLE: I don't get it.

PERINO: ... "One More Thing."

GUILFOYLE: I care about...

BECKEL: I care about what you think, but I just don't care what you think about me.

GUTFELD: See, I'm the opposite.

GUILFOYLE: One of the things you think about is you.

GUTFELD: I don't care what you think. What do you think about me?

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PERINO: Set your DVRs. Never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" is next.

BECKEL: You just screwed up my whole idea, then.

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