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Terror suspects killed at two separate French hostage sites

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," January 9, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: This is a Fox News alert, I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle. It is 5 p.m. on the East Coast, 11 p.m. in Paris, a city under siege once again today.

Two simultaneous standoffs came to a deadly and earlier, one in the heart of Paris, the other near to main airport. The brothers wanted for Wednesday's massacre Charlie Hebdo have been killed after dramatic shootout with French security forces. Also dead is an associate of theirs who sees the kosher supermarket on their behalf. At least four of his hostages were killed. Amedy Coulibaly was wanted in connection with that murder of a police officer killed yesterday in Paris. Still at large in connection with that murder is a possible female accomplice named Hayat Boumeddiene. Joining us now for the very latest is Fox News Greg Palkot who's been doing incredible reporting from Paris, all day and night, Greg?

GREG PALKOT, FOX NEWS SR. FOREIGN AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Hi Kimberly, the city is breathing a sigh of relief to summit (ph) stand fearful perhaps, of more problems ahead. The situations, both of those terrible hostage standoffs were resolved but at a price. 25 miles outside of here, the two mange suspects in the Charlie Hebdo shoot-out on Monday, which left 12 people dead, they held one hostage, but the police moved in and there was a shoot-out and they died. They said they wanted to go down as martyrs and they achieved that goal. Closer in, on the edge of Paris on the eastern side, that kosher supermarket, where another individual took people hostage, it turns out that this man was a suspect in the killing yesterday of a French woman. He took -- we thought initially six, but there was a whole lot more, so when the police stormed in there, there was a death toll, four hostages were killed, four hostages were injured and, yes, the hostage taker was killed as well. This finally, Kimberly, as police look hard on the interrelationships between these individuals, they were both on the radar of the police, they both had a record, convictions, sentencing, charges relating to terrorism, both part of a network of Jihadist who went to Iraq, to Syria, to Yemen for training, for fighting. The question now is how did, this all happen? Why did it come to this? That's a question that the French authorities are now asking very seriously, how was there so much a loss of life, back to you.

GUILFOYLE: All right Greg, can you take us a little bit further through the man hunt that continues at this hour, perhaps -- certain areas of Paris, they're probably getting a real intelligence report in it to her whereabouts?

PALKOT: Yeah, exactly. They're looking for the girlfriend or wife of the suspect who took the hostages at the supermarket. No -- trace of her at this moment. It's believed she played a role in the killing yesterday of a French policewoman officer. It's also thought there were some reports that there was another gunman involved in that situation, we don't have confirmations of that. But larger concern is the other people that they have been connected with, the individuals were a, were converted shall we say, to the cause in jail, they have connections with others here, they have connections with organizations, tonight, al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, who were -- which was used to have as one of its spokesman and head people the Anwar al-Awlaki, the American cleric, they are claiming responsibility. ISIS is trying to get involved in this too, and the -- the associations there outside of France and here in France are numerous. This is another thing authorities will be -- taking a closer look at. This as we stand next to a glittering Eiffel Tower, but a glittering Eiffel Tower, which is being guarded right now by French soldiers, and we have been watching them march back and forth behind our position in the last several hours, back to you.

GUILFOYLE: Well they've been lost. Still so much going on, and Greg, you have a question to Greg?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yeah, so the -- hostage taker/terrorist, who's on the loose for about 24 hours, do we have any idea like, where he was? Or -- and also, I would assume he was able to be out there because he might have had help?

PALKOT: Yeah, exactly. There's got to be a support network Greg, for all of these people. It seems like the two brothers, that is the ones responsible for the -- for the newspaper shoot-out, they were pretty much on their own, they hijacked, they had one car waiting, they hijacked another car, they hijacked a third car, they were going through the forest, being chased by police and these guys were counting on themselves and counting on their own instincts, instincts by the way, honed in places like Yemen, where the older, older one trained with the forces of ACAP there. On the other side, the gunman who shot and killed the -- the French police officer, he had actually conviction on his record from four years ago, trying to break free in a prison, a convicted terrorist there. So, he had experience as well too, and has got to believe, as you allude to contacts as well. There's been got 1,000 French Jihadist who have gone to fight in Iraq and Syria. The estimate now is that, at least 200 of them have come back. Those are the active participants, then there's the support crew to like the 18-year- old who turned himself in, who was the getaway driver for the two people who killed the 12 -- at that newspaper office. So, it's something that -- France is looking at very hard, and -- a lot of questions are being asked, Greg.

GUILFOYLE: OK.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: And Greg, this trace is a whole issue. They knew that these people left France and went to get trained, which means they knew their passports, they brought their passports to the airport, they got into an area where they were trained by militants, and yet, they were look back into the country. And then you said that they said they had them on their radar, if they had them on their radar, how in the world could they have pulled something like this off?

PALKOT: That's a good question. United States notes that it had -- both of the prime suspects in the newspaper office slaying on the no-fly list. So, I think the United States could be seen as more aggressive on that score, the younger -- younger suspect was in jail for about three years, but from 2005 to 2008, after that, it's pretty much free, we're trying to be a model worker in some of the menial jobs here in Paris, while he schemed on the, on the other side. The older brother spent about two years from our understanding, from around 2011 to 2013 in, in Yemen training and came back pretty, pretty fresh from that. They, they fell through the cracks, they fell through the cracks of France, and France noted for its aggressiveness against terrorism. It is looking a little bit red in the face right now.

GUILFOYLE: Bolling?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: So, Greg, can you tell us a little bit. Now we know that the two -- the brothers were holed up in the printing factory, and simultaneously, that at the kosher market, the couple took hostages, asking them for the safe passage of the two holed in the printing factory, can you just take us through what people on the ground, their believe that the link is, other than the obvious, they may have both had ties to al-Qaeda and Arabian Peninsula or Yemen. Were they are working together? Do they know each other?

PALKOT: Yeah, they knew each other. In fact, it was -- it was discovered that they had contact by traces of DNA from the two brothers and the individual who was at the supermarket in the same flat. So that, there's a lot of evidence of connections, they were charged in similar crimes, what is being dissected right now as we speak, and I just heard another take on that is, how much communications today there were between these two situations, it is believed possibly there was texting maybe even calling, maybe even triggering and -- the one theory being put out now is that this all ended because, both of the individuals, both of the gunmen groups decided to move first and take the police a bit by surprise. So there was coordination on the terrorist side, there was coordination on the police side as well. The police could not let the situation to the outside of Paris go down and let the situation in Paris continue for fear that all of the hostages would have been killed.

GUILFOYLE: Dana?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Greg, I wonder, and since you're there in Paris, if you can tell us about the mood there, are there additional warnings for the citizens? Are they scared or defiant? Unified? I was wondering if you could give us a taste of that.

PALKOT: It's, it's a combination of things, Dana. I -- I mean, I lived in Paris for several years and they can be quite reserved, they do not show their emotions too much, but I have been speaking with Parisians for the last couple of days and they were shocked by the newspaper slaying, they were emotional, they were crying. Frankly, in all my years here I've never seen such an outpouring of emotion from them. They're a pretty steely group too, so they don't show their nerves, but they have to have shown it today, when basically -- and the last couple of days, when their city basically seem like it was under siege, like al-Qaeda was basically attacking one of the major metropolises of the world. And, and visually, as we stand here, there are uniform, the military soldiers marching back and forth with guns, there is high security at all public locations, we had a scare a couple, couple of hours ago. The Trocadero, like some of our viewers know that, that's the area that faces the Eiffel Tower, there were BBC and Sky Television, two notable media organizations, were saying there was a gunman on the loose there, and we were tracking that down. Thanks to the world of twitter, these things can get the -- blown out a little bit larger than -- they should be, but that turned out to be a false alarm, nerves are on edge Dana.

GUILFOYLE: All right, Greg Palkot. Thank you for that reporting live from the Paris, the city that continues to be under siege as a manhunt is under way at this hour. All right, let's take around the table. So, Eric, we have this manhunt going on. What we do know is, these individuals that were on at least a French watch list, and in fact on a no-fly list for the United States. They were aware that these individuals perhaps radicalized, have made trips over to the Arabian Peninsula, but nevertheless, they were able to pull off what looks like a very well oiled operation working in concert even just today.

BOLLING: And this woman that was with -- the terrorists at the kosher market was trained. She there some -- I saw some pictures, training videos and pictures of her using a crossbow in full burqa. She's clearly trained from 2010.

GUILFOYLE: And radicalized.

BOLLING: And she's probably very, very dangerous as well. Question is, is that it, though? I mean, we going to wake up tomorrow and say, you know, here's another one, and either whether in sympathy or part of it -- of a bigger group. And as we know, al-Qaeda in Arabian Peninsula that were taking credit for, and they've made probably, try and see if they can keep this thing going, it's a scary place right now, it's been -- in Paris.

GUILFOYLE: And Dana, you have the head of the (inaudible) coming out saying, listen, this is just the beginning, this is, this is the taste we are going to get more of this and his the man that ought to know. Also, videos and things that have come out and said specifically that these were going to be the first of precursors to an ongoing -- you know, Jihad against the U.K., against the U.S., against those who have been cooperative and work in concert with the U.S. led coalition.

PERINO: So a lot of attempts over the years, including one if you remember, in Britain, where you had several Jihadists who wanted to try to bring down airliners and thankfully they were caught beforehand, there were several women involved in that who were willing to blow up their children, in their pursuit of this martyrdom that they seek. I also wonder the ability for western government to be able to manage responses such as this, it's reported here that French authorities have a force of about 90,000 working on this, 90,000 people to try to finding four or more Jihadists. I don't know how you deal with that in the long run, if there are 200 Jihadists that have come back from Iraq and Syria, back into France and they looks to be, at least they're somewhat coordinated and in communication, that's the -- that's the key I think of the Intel, is the communication between all of them.

GUILFOYLE: And they're able to do that. Whether they're on the original it is in the same area of vicinity, they're able to talk and text -- you know text social media et cetera, to be able to encourage them becoming more radicalized, like we see these individuals saying we want to ---

PEIRNO: And coordinated attacks.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. And they were looking today, to try and help -- he's said his brothers. So they have that connection, this is no surprise, they have 1,000 foreign fighters, Greg, that have come gone over from France to the Arabian Peninsula, such as whether with Syria, except to try and learn how to fight.

GUTFELD: Yeah. I mean, that's the key phrase here is texting. Which -- at this point I'd like to say, NSA, we're sorry, please come home. Because, this is the only way we're going to be able to deal with this. These are guys that come over, they train, they come back and they become needles in a haystack, and it goes silent. And the only way you can do is monitor them we have to re-evaluate the way we looked at our security. It's interesting to me that everybody knew how bad these guys were, did nothing.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

GUTFELD: And I think a lot of this has to do with the political ramifications of it. You don't want to look like you're racist.

GUILFOYLE: Or profiling.

GUTFELD: Yeah, in anytime you in -- try to incarcerate or deport a monster, there are people that bring up -- this notion of internment camps. Like, you can't do this, because it's going to become this, we can actually do this, we can deport and incarcerate monsters without turning -- making it seem like the Japanese in World War II. The last thing I -- thought was a really good point, that ace of spades, the blogger made was, how great is it? How great it was? That the killers of those magazine editors died in a printing plant, I mean, if Nelson from the Simpsons were around, he would go -- ha, ha. And I'm glad that anti semi died in a kosher deli.

PERINO: Me too.

GUILFOYLE: OK, positive thoughts?

BECKEL: Yeah, I -- think that -- the thing that bothers me most about this is why did they allow these people back into the country? If these guys, they knew that they had Jihadist pasts, they had these relationships, they went to Yemen to get trained, at least one of them did.

GUILFOYLE: Hold on.

BECKEL: Why in the world is that not sufficient to hold somebody.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BECKEL: When they come back in. I don't get it, I don't understand it and I don't think it's all about (inaudible) I think somewhere along the line that French security -- people lost track of these guys and that's a dangerous thing to do.

GUTFELD: But also, I mean, think about this you know, we had these guys on a no-fly list.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

GUTFELD: If it were up to the ACLU, we wouldn't. Because they believe that the no-fly list is unconstitutional.

GUILFOYLE: Unconstitutional. And don't revoke anybody's passport even though they have been radicalized and they've gone over to fight to train huge problem. Next, we're going to go live to Fox News's Katrina Harris, with more details on the Paris terrorists and their ties to the terror network. Stay tuned.

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BOLLING: Welcome back to our continuing coverage and the dramatic and deadly standoffs in Paris today. French intelligence chief correspondent -- I'm sorry, our intelligence correspondent -- Chief Intelligence Correspondent Catherine Herridge, has new information.

CATHERINE HERRIDGE, CHIEF INTELLIGENCE CORRESPONDENT: Thank you, you promoted me. You promoted me, let's through it.

BOLLING: Yeah, well, you know what? It's been an amazing job by the way, Catherine.

GUILFOYLE: It's that good.

BOLLING: I have been listening to you since 6 o'clock this morning doing an amazing job, actually, 5 o'clock this morning. Catherine, recently, in the last couple of hours, al-Qaeda in Yemen has taking credit for both massacres, do you -- do we need more, do we believe them? Is that enough for, a simply that they were behind all of this?

HERRIDGE: Well, Eric, the track record of these organizations is that they do not take credit where credit is not due, that's said, a base on the conversation in the last hour. The U.S. intelligence community, and the counter terrorism community -- they are reviewing this fame (ph) responsibility from al-Qaeda in Yemen, as well as a video tape they released called, The Blessed Raid in Paris. I viewed the video tape it's about four minutes in length in Arabic. But there really other dots to connect that have developed today. Most notably, one of the brothers, Cherif Kouachi, told the French TV station before the take down at that industrial plant, that he was sent by al-Qaeda in Yemen, and that he had been finance to buy the American cleric, Anwar al-Awlaki. Anwar al-Awlaki was the first American targeted for death by the CIA in 2011 and he was really the leader of this digital Jihad and he was in charge -- of really being a talent spotter for operatives to carry out operations outside of the Middle East. He was the one who tapped in 2009, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab to take the underwear bomb on to that flight over Detroit on Christmas day. So, we have that from the words, of to the mouth rather of Cherif Kouachi, and that's pretty significant evidence in itself.

PERINO: Catherine, I've been curious to ask you all day, given your expertise in this area of terrorism. The Tsarnaev brothers in Boston carried out the Boston marathon bombing. And this -- I just wonder if there are some sort of connection here, out of the brothers working together in families. Have you come across that before?

HERRIDGE: Such an excellent question. What I would argue in both circumstances, just based on the information that's available in the open source press reporting is that the brothers felt isolated, and alienated, and they were looking for a way to belong. Because, these groups especially with al-Qaeda, they offer people who are on the fringe of society, a place to belong. What is emerging today, based on our confirmed information is this idea that the Kouachi brothers had some training -- calls of fairly formal training, from a foreign tourist organizations, whether it is al- Qaeda in Yemen. And then it was kind of re-upped if you will, by travel to Syria, that's not clear, but that seems to have been the case. One of the misconceptions about the Boston bombers is that they just made those bombs and all those explosives based off instructions on the Internet. And I've seen the intelligence assessment which clearly states that the fuse in the pressure cooker bomb in Boston is in consistent with the fuse that's found in the online bomb making instructions, and this really speaks to the idea that he also had training overseas in Dagestan. You remember he traveled to Dagestan in the years before the Boston marathon bombing.

BOLLING: K.G.?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, hi, Catherine. So, what I'm concerned about at this hour is the fact that there's obviously a well financed and well run terror network that's operating within France that they were able to supply these individuals with a large number of ammunition, body armor, the weapons that were used, the whole thing, so there has to be some kind of concern right now in France, that perhaps, there were other selves that are being well funded and supplied, just like these brothers.

HERRIDGE: Well, it's a network and it's a pipeline and what we sometimes forget is that the -- and this I'm borrowing a phrase from the former Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge is that, we have watches and they have time. They're willing to wait years to launch these attacks and if our reporting at Fox News -- is good, we know that the older brother Saeed Kouachi went to Yemen in 2011 and other trained -- trained with their far alongside al-Qaeda in Yemen at that time, so were three years ago, that's a long time to wait to launch an operation. And if I could just make some of one wrap up point here, we first reported here at Fox News, almost two days ago about a series of tweets that came out within an hour of the Paris massacre and that was from a twitter account that is known ties to al-Qaeda in Yemen. And significantly, it showed images of the massacre and then supreme post on top, were images of the American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki and that second American Samir Khan, who was really the driving force behind the their propaganda journal Inspire Magazine which in March of 2013, you know you've talked a lot about this on your show, that was the addition where they called for the assassination of the cartoonist as well as the editor of the magazine. So, that's a lot of data pointing in one direction.

GUTFELD: Yeah, you brought up Inspire Magazine, and as a -- a (inaudible) former editor -- why can't they find out where Inspire Magazine is made? I mean, is there an actual physical place?

HERRIDGE: Well, Inspire Magazine is an online magazine, a virtual magazine, if you will. It's a lot like -- I called it, it's kind of a Martha Stewart living, for would be Jihadists, because it's a lifestyle magazine, it's very accessible. The debate always within intelligence circles is whether they're better it off to take it down and keep these ideas.

GUTFELD: Right.

HERRIDGE: From getting into people heads or whether to leave it up as bait to see who looks and read it.

GUTFELD: OK.

BECKEL: Catherine. Come back to the question I asked Palkot, if this -- this guy trained in Yemen, were known as for three years, and they've done it for three years. And yet, -- and he was supposed to be on their radar, how in the world could they organize a -- what seems to be a fairly complex operation without the police intelligence in Paris or France knowing about it?

HERRIDGE: The simple answer is that when you have a small cell which is what this appears to be, two to three, maybe four individuals, is very hard to infiltrate and given the number of foreign fighters that are in France, I mean it's just a numbers game, it's impossible to provide that kind of surveillance on a 24-hour basis.

BOLLING: All right, Catherine. We'll leave it right there. Thank you very much.

HERRIDGE: You're welcome.

BOLLING: Excellent reporting. All right, ahead, we'll go live to the White House with which reaction today, from President Obama, we'll finally see if he connects the attacks to radical Islam, that's next.

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PERINO: After two dramatic sieges ended today in Paris, President Obama delivered a message to France from Tennessee.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I want the people of France to know that the United States stands with you today, stands with you tomorrow.

And the streets of Paris, the world seeing once again, what terrorists stand for. They have nothing to offer but hatred and human suffering. And we stand for freedom and hope and the dignity of all human beings. And that's what the city of Paris represents to the world. And that spirit will endure forever, long after the scourge of terrorism is banished from this world.

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PERINO: Chief White House correspondent Ed Henry joins us now. And Ed, no doubt, the United States has been providing intelligence cooperation to the French, but is there anything else going on behind the scenes that you can tell us?

ED HENRY, FOX NEWS CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, there's a lot going on behind the scenes in terms of the president being briefed on the threat matrix right now for the United States.

But what I found fascinating is that we're not hearing a lot of that in public, and you've been here before. You understand that there's a certain amount of the threat stream that's being passed around the intelligence community, in terms of whether this was just a start of a wave of attacks across western Europe, potentially making its way to the U.S. at some point in the future, as well. And some of that you don't want to talk about publicly.

But the president has been very forceful in comments twice this week, in saying we're going to stand with this key ally, France. But he'd been much more candid in saying much of anything about the state of the American homeland right now; what specific steps he's doing to protect it, Dana.

PERINO: Eric.

BOLLING: Hey, Ed, you just characterized the president's very forceful. I may push back on that a little bit. I'm still waiting to hear the president tie this massacre to radical Islam. I hear him say terror. He refuses to tie it to -- call it what it really is. He refuses to put a target on the enemy and call them an enemy. I'm trying to figure out what -- what's he's waiting for, 'til it happens in New York or Dallas, not Paris?

HENRY: Well, I agree with you on that point. He has not directly connected it to Islamic terror. What I specifically said was that I think he's been forceful in saying we're standing with France, and then I said that he's been much more tentative in terms of explaining what steps he's taking to protect the homeland.

In terms of Islamic terror, he said nothing, to your point, Eric. He hasn't directly tied it to that. Not just this time, I think it's significant. This is not happening in a vacuum. This is after the attacks in Canada, Australia, and that coffee shop.

I mean, our allies are being hit. Thankfully, we have not been recently, obviously the Boston Marathon bombing, Ft. Hood, there's been terror attacks in recent years, and then of course, 9/11 being the ultimate one that we all remember so painfully.

But the fact of the matter is that the president has not tied it directly to Islamic terror; and again, not just with France, but this whole string of events. It's falling out before our eyes.

BECKEL: I remind you and Mr. Bolling that the neither the head of Australia or Canada had to use the word "Islamic terrorist" either. They said this is definitely a terrorist attack, exactly the words that Obama used.

BOLLING: He is the most powerful man on the planet.

BECKEL: Come on. What do you think, he said something, that would have stopped them?

BOLLING: No, I think you can't defeat an enemy by not calling them the enemy. You name them.

PERINO: Do you have a question for Ed, Bob?

BECKEL: Do we think there's a possibility that the heads of state here are taking into account that they do have Islamic communities, they're worried about it? That it's not just Obama; it's virtually every head of state, with the exception of David Cameron, and that was very briefly last year?

HENRY: Look, I think this president has been very clear, as President Bush was, by the way, in saying not all Muslims are bad, and this shouldn't be what the entire religion is about. But when people are using that religion to kill people, and somehow justify it, it's got to be called out.

And so, look, I think that might be what Eric is getting at. But to your point, Bob, I'm certainly not suggesting this president could have prevented what happened in Paris. I think what is a bigger question is, moving forward, is this a start, as you heard from British intelligence officials, not anonymously but on the record, suggesting this was just the start.

GUILFOYLE: And that is, yes, the head of MI5. We discussed that a little bit earlier.

But this is the main concern: Are we going to learn from this? Are we going to strategize and do it somehow better, if we know that individuals have had contacts or affiliations with those that have been radicalized or attended mosques that are known for having radical jihad preached there? And then we have to make sure that they don't do something. Because all of the intel and the chatter that you see is that the U.S. and the U.K. are next.

HENRY: Right. And I think what's also significant is the information we've been hearing about the intelligence suggesting that at least some of these terrorists were on U.S. no-fly lists.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

HENRY: They were on the radar. But nonetheless, they still got through the cracks. I mean, part of that may be owing, in fairness, not just the U.S. officials, but to French officials there on the ground. You can't stop everything. They are doing their best, here, France, Britain, all around the world.

But, you know, in Australia, they couldn't stop the coffee shop attack. In Canada, a horrific attack there just a couple of months ago.

And so you're right, Kimberly, you try to go through it the best you can, but nobody's perfect. And that's, painfully, what we see.

GUILFOYLE: But the problem in France is there are certain communities that are no go, that the police won't even go in there, because you have people from the Muslim communities, et cetera, that say, "We want to handle our own situation here."

So how are you going to get active intelligence from inside those areas if you're just relying on electronic surveillance and not able to go into those areas? That's what's happening here with this situation, with the Kouachi brothers.

HENRY: Yes. No doubt, and I'm not denying. They're going to have to dig a lot deeper to get that intel, infiltrate those communities, but that's obviously, something the French government is going to have to figure out. And that's something that I would expect President Obama would stay out of, because that's their business to deal with what's happening there. But certainly you're also right, but there's a fear that if you don't stop it there, it's going to be spreading very soon. And so this is something that everybody's on high alert about.

PERINO: Ed, this is the moment you've been waiting for all day long. Greg Gutfeld.

GUTFELD: Oh, what a let-down.

Actually, I do have a question, mainly about the coverage and about the media in general. Just now we're talking about saying that we are going to be next. We talk about copycats. We talk about waves.

It's like an exterminator finding a nest of roaches. He doesn't expand on their backgrounds and what they're going to do next. He just simply exterminates them. I want to ask you about how the media transforms much of this into a spectacle, how we cover these acts of terror by looking at beliefs, by looking at practices, by looking at intent.

As Max Booth (ph), I think it was, once said, the rise of terror actually parallels the rise of the media and the media helps expand their impact across all places, so that we were actually talking more about them. We were paralyzed by their fear by constantly talking about what's going to happen next, where it's going to be. And we're playing into their machinations.

My next question is how long before these terrorists are going to be on the cover of "Rolling Stone"?

HENRY: Bottom line is I think that, yes, the media always struggles with this, but to kind of bury our heads in the sand...

GUTFELD: Right.

HENRY: ... and not cover it -- I'm not saying you're saying don't cover it at all -- but, yes, there's a fine line there. We shouldn't panic people; we shouldn't scare them, but we have to be honest about our lens (ph), and with the, you know, addition of social media, this is going all around the world very quickly in getting that information out. Yes, it can be painful sometimes, and it can be used by the terrorists, but on the other hand, it's free flow of information.

GUTFELD: Yes, and I'm not saying we don't cover it. But it -- this is not much different than the spree killings of a lone wolf who goes into a school that leads to copycats. And the police talk about this, about when you over-cover something, it creates copycats. So in a way, we're worried about a wave, but at the same time, are we creating a wave? That's my question to you.

PERINO: The way to win is overwhelming force.

GUTFELD: Right.

PERINO: That's what I like.

Ed, thank you so much.

HENRY: Good to see you.

PERINO: OK.

Much more to come this hour on "The Five." Why is the mainstream media in the U.S. ignoring the connection of these terror attacks to radical Islam? We're going to take a that through (ph), next.

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GUTFELD: Continuing coverage of the terror in Paris. It's good to see all these vocal free speech reporters, many of whom were silent when Hirsi Ali, Condoleezza Rice and others were kept from speaking on campuses. I suppose you only express solidarity when it's cool and there's a neat hash tag.

But as we know, one aids terror by blocking speech, through the fabrication of offense. We must fight evil, but what happens when the fight is bigoted by the media, the campus our leaders? Terror wins.

And so CNN's Christiane Amanpour calls terrorists activists. I'm really not kidding.

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CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: On this day, these activists found their targets, and their targets were journalists. This was a clear attack on freedom of expression, on the press and on satire.

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GUTFELD: What?

Anyway, and editors worry more about right-wing reaction to terror than terror itself.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think that they should have been more sensitive. I don't believe in just offending people (ph).

We have to be really, really careful not to respond to the extraordinary intolerance of these jihadis with our own intolerance.

DAVID ROTHKOPF: I think we have to be just as worried about the reaction to the attack from nationalists, from right wingers, from people who have sought to drive this wedge, as it was described earlier between the Islamic communities and the mainstream communities in Europe.

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GUTFELD: I get it. The enemy is preordained. It's us. Which means Howard Dean was right: this is a cult, a cult of apologists. But Dean is also right. This is not a religious issue, which means if I don't see Islam when I fight terror, then you cannot see Islamophobia when I fight it.

What should we see instead? Again, a death cult. One that needs no understanding, just eradication. It would be nice for moderate Muslims to help. But if they don't, we can handle it. It's nothing personal, Muslims. Just step aside.

Finally, where did this cult learn to punish language? From the Koran? From al Qaeda? How about Harvard? And our modern cult of hate speech activists, who see language as violence, creating speech codes with penalties, seeing activists silence critics so easily must make them drool with envy.

All right, K.G., is it time to retire the phrase "Islamophobia?" Because it's inherently meaningless. There is a fear of religious belief?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, it makes no sense. It's a nonstarter. It's not helping forward the intelligence we're gathering. It's not helping the understanding of what terror really is.

The problem is, is we are the biggest enemy. The liberal apologists, the people that are more concerned about offending terrorists than they are in eradicating them, that makes us weak...

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: ... and therefore makes them strong. That is a big problem that has to be addressed. I mean, those are all clips that were being played across the country today. Afraid to call them terrorists, call them activists.

BECKEL: They were all clips that we picked on this show. They're all liberals. And the fact of the matter is, there's not been a...

GUILFOYLE: They're real, Bob.

BECKEL: There's not been a conservative member of -- in Europe who has raised their voice against this. The conservatives have been a mute on this, and the liberals have been wusses. I grant you that.

GUILFOYLE: Where are you getting that from?

BECKEL: But I think...

GUTFELD: Cameron. Every British leader.

BECKEL: Show me what Mitch McConnell has said about this.

GUTFELD: I can name more members of...

BECKEL: You did. You did read name to me in that nasty letter you sent.

GUTFELD: Yes, I can go on forever.

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BECKEL: The idea that somehow...

PERINO: Do you see Mitch McConnell's floor speech from the Senate floor yesterday?

BECKEL: Yes, I did see it. I didn't hear the word "Islamic terrorists."

GUILFOYLE: But you're discounting it?

GUTFELD: That's your gig (ph).

BECKEL: I didn't hear the word "Islamic terrorist."

GUTFELD: All right. Well, Bob, right now the left is leading the charge against -- against free speech on campuses, through speech codes and hate speech. It's not Republicans.

And you have liberal comedians -- Patton Oswalt, Bill Maher, Chris -- Chris Rock -- are all talking about this. Right wingers aren't coming up with the speech codes and the hate speech. It's liberals who make a living with words who are now saying this is a problem. It's not just me.

Eric, it seems like only there's a backlash -- the backlash is when the tolerance freaks go after the victims of attacks. It's like they're worried about the attackers.

BOLLING: And you hit on it. David Brooks hit on it earlier today. You guys are 100 percent right. The people who, at Brandeis University, Rutgers, Harvard, Berkeley, this year alone who have killed free speech, who have actually had people disinvited to speeches that they were going to make on their campuses, align more with the terrorists in Paris than they do with the people from "Charlie Hebdo."

BECKEL: I don't -- I try not to brag on myself.

BOLLING: And then -- wait, hold on, hold on.

BECKEL: But when I sit down with Muslims, and they were killing Christians, I didn't have people around this table talking about it.

BOLLING: Hold on, Bob. Bob, I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the left.

GUILFOYLE: What are you saying? That is not true at all.

BOLLING: I'm talking about the left. Hold on. But then you want to go ahead, and then these same people want to go ahead and wear these pins and tweet "Je suis Charlie," "I am Charlie." No, you're not. You're not; you're the opposite. You're more al Qaeda than you are Charlie.

Bob, OK, you take on Muslims...

PERINO: Whoa, you didn't really mean that, right?

BOLLING: ... but where are the people in charge?

GUTFELD: No.

PERINO: You didn't really mean that.

BECKEL: No, I meant...

PERINO: You didn't mean to say that they're like al Qaeda more than...

BOLLING: I'm talking about the people who kill free speech, who have Hirsi Ali not speak, who have Condi Rice not speak, because they don't line up with their ideology. They have them thrown off campus, rather than hearing the free -- First Amendment free speech that they have to deliver. PERINO: OK. OK.

BECKEL: And they're what?

PERINO: I was just trying to prevent backlash.

BOLLING: Backlash?

PERINO: Yes.

GUTFELD: You know what's -- Let me get Dana in here. They're -- do you, A, Christiane Amanpour -- is that how you say it?

GUILFOYLE: Christiane Amanpour.

GUTFELD: ... referred to terrorists as activists, which is -- I can't believe. But then a CNN reporter, Chris Cuomo, referred to the black French terrorists as African-American. Is this what happens when political correctness is so ingrained in your head that you make idiotic...

PERINO: They're so worried. Remember, like, they have a huge international audience.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: I can't hear a darn thing, because they're yelling in my ear.

GUTFELD: Yes, she was yelling in my ear, too.

PERINO: So TGIF. I have that to say.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: That's my last word.

GUTFELD: See, they're saying, "Got to go."

PERINO: Oh, now I can hear them.

GUTFELD: Yes, OK.

Next, one very powerful voice in the heart of the Muslim world is actually doing something positive to help stop the violence.

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BECKEL: The massacre of 12 people in Paris this week has -- at the hands of extremist Muslims, has sadly just -- is just as sadly the latest in a long line of terrorist attacks in the name of Islam. While those attacks may be rare, condemnation from influential Muslims about them has been rare. Moderate Muslims may have just found their voice. Listen to these words by Egyptian President Abdul Fattah el-Sisi.

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ABDUL FATTAH EL-SISI, EGYPTIAN PRESIDENT: (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)

GRAPHIC: It is inconceivable that the ideology we sanctify should make our entire nation a source of concern, danger, killing, and destruction all over the world.

Let me say it again: We need to revolutionize our religion.

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BECKEL: All right, in my view, this may be the most important speech, and it's the would be Dr. Martin Luther King's "I Have a Dream" speech. This is a man who stood in front of imams, including the head imam, and called them out for having their religion hijacked by a bunch of right-wing Islamic terrorists.

GUTFELD: Yes, I'm assuming he has more bodyguards than body hair at this point.

PERINO: Well, he has them -- the Egyptian military.

GUTFELD: The Egyptian military.

GUILFOYLE: Why are you calling them -- Whoa, why are you calling them right-wing Islamic terrorists?

BECKEL: Because I want to.

GUILFOYLE: Well, that -- where -- where is your basis for fact to say that? It's right-wing Islamic terrorists? Did you just make that up?

BECKEL: Can we just focus on what this gentleman, this brave man said, please?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, he's amazing.

GUTFELD: What's amazing is what you heard afterward from our government, which was nothing.

BOLLING: Nothing. Nothing even close to that.

BECKEL: No. No. And now the other guy...

BOLLING: So, Bob, do you think that's fantastic, that's gutsy and a hero, but God forbid I say the president should do the same. And I'm, what? Am I Islamophobic? Is that what it is?

BECKEL: I'm asking you -- I'm asking you to say that every other leader in that alliance say something.

BOLLING: There's one. You just -- you were looking for one. There's one.

BECKEL: I know. In eastern Europe -- I mean, western Europe, rather, anybody say anything?

PERINO: Yes, yes. In fact, Nigel Farage, who was on our air, was just saying...

GUILFOYLE: By the way, why doesn't someone in the United States...

BECKEL: I'm talking about an elected leader.

GUILFOYLE: ... one of our leaders, make this exact kind of speech, calling on the Muslim community to stand up? That would be a powerful moment. We're not hearing any or seeing any of that kind of leadership.

BECKEL: OK. Well, we'll see it on both the Democrats and Republicans. We'll wait and see.

GUILFOYLE: OK.

GUTFELD: I think you're done.

GUILFOYLE: Bob.

BECKEL: Final thoughts on today's dramatic standoffs in Paris next.

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GUILFOYLE: As the hour approaches midnight in Paris, the city under siege, where a manhunt continues to be under way to find those responsible for the horrible acts of terror that were committed, we want to give our thoughts and prayers to the families, to the victims, the survivors, as they try to battle and fight jihad in Paris and, as we are now trying to learn from this, to see what we can do in the United States.

That's going to be it for us tonight. Stay tuned for continuing coverage of today's breaking news in Paris on "Special Report." That's next.

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