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NYC Mayor de Blasio meets with police union leaders: What will it take to mend fences?

Will New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio's meeting with police union heads help repair his relationship with the NYPD?


This is a rush transcript from "On the Record," December 30, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, 'ON THE RECORD' GUEST HOST: This is a FOX News alert. Because just a short time ago, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio wrapping up a meeting with police union leaders. The meeting comes amidst rising tensions between the mayor and NYPD. After more than two hours of discussions, the president of the city's largest police union spoke to reporters.


PATRICK LYNCH, NYC PDA PRESIDENT: There were a number of discussions, especially about the safety issues that our members face. There was no resolve. And our thought here today is that actions speak louder than words, and time will tell.


GUILFOYLE: And joining us to sort through it, retired NYPD detective, Harry Houck, joins us in the studio.

HARRY HOUCK, FORMER NYPD DETECTIVE: Thank you for having me.

GUILFOYLE: Thank for being with us and thank you for your service to this fine city as a well.

What does this mean? When you hear a strong statement like that coming out, where do we stand.

HOUCK: It looks like we don't stand anywhere right now. What I glean from that quick couple words there is actions speak louder than words. So, basically, you know, Bill de Blasio is full of words. So we're going to have to wait and see how he reacts towards his police department from here on. It looks like nothing was cleared up today at all. He has been using the police department as a punching bag for I don't know how long now. And now that the police department is finally -- the police officers are punching back, he is he backing down and crying about it. "The New York Times" had to come to his rescue today.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, with some really disturbing kind of inappropriate editorial comments, basically suggesting the NYPD is, you know, posturing, trying to get attention for themselves.

HOUCK: Right. Full of self-pity.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Those comments are not helpful, especially in a city that's gone through so much in recent events, the loss of two police officers.

HOUCK: Exactly.

GUILFOYLE: They gave heir life serving this city. And the NYPD, which has led by example in the country in terms of the finest police force.

HOUCK: Sure. And I think that what's going on is Bill de Blasio is probably telling Bratton, on the side quietly, you get me out of this mess.

GUILFOYLE: What can Bill Bratton do to fix this situation?

HOUCK: I can't see Bill Bratton doing anything to fix the situation. I don't see the PDA relenting at all until they hear a public apology for from this mayor. The mayor came out publicly --


GUILFOYLE: That's what it's going to take?

HOUCK: That's what I think. If I was Pat Lynch, I would say I want a public apology from the mayor. Also stating that, from now on, he is going to always give his police officers the benefit of the doubt based on the evidence.

GUILFOYLE: Well, I think the problem is when you are serving, right, the NYPD, they plead blue. They don't see each other as you come from this community or this ethnic background.

HOUCK: Exactly.

GUILFOYLE: And then when you have a mayor of a city that's so diverse, with one of the most diverse police departments, warning his own son about how to approach his life and his daily interactions with police officers --

HOUCK: Right.

GUILFOYLE: -- that is beyond unsettling. That's a nonstarter.

HOUCK: Especially at the time that he did it. He came out and said that at the time the grand jury came out with no indictment against -- the officer involved -- officers involved in Garner.



HOUCK: That was the wrong time and wrong place.

I got no problem people talking to their family members about how they should react when the police officers approach them, you know, but just cooperate with the police. That's all I have to do. That's all you have to say. There should be -- also, there should be some dialogue about resisting arrest. People should understand --

GUILFOYLE: There is a process.

HOUCK: Right. There is a process. Exactly. You should not resist arrest. Just do what the police officer tells you to do, and then processes after that, if you think the officer has acted incorrectly.

GUILFOYLE: That's what you do. Obey the law.

Detective, thank you for your time tonight.

HOUCK: Thank you for having me.