NYPD on high alert after assassination of police officers

Mourners pay respects at wake for slain cop


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," December 26, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle, along with Juan Williams, David Webb, Jedediah Bila and Tom Shillue. It's 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five."


GUILFOYLE: We hope you all had a very merry Christmas. And we're going to tell you how we spent ours, but that's a little later in the hour.

But first, it was of course a very difficult holiday for family, friends and colleagues of two fallen NYPD officers, Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu. Today, mourners gather at the wake for Ramos in New York City and he will be laid to rest tomorrow. Funeral arrangements have not yet been finalized for Officer Liu.

Now, during Christmas midnight mass at St. Patrick's, Cardinal Timothy Dolan called for renewed faith in a shaken city and delivered this message to its mayor.


CARDINAL TIMOTHY DOLAN, ARCHBISHOP OF NEW YORK: I suppose that's why you're here, Mayor de Blasio, as we face tensions and divisions in our beloved city, as you and so many other leaders tried your best to invite us to dialogue, to listen instead of shouting, to work together instead of accusing.


GUILFOYLE: And since the assassinations, police have been on high alert, threats to officers have led to at least six arrests, one suspect in custody was overheard talking about killing cops and when his apartment was searched, they found this disturbing arsenal of weapons. Take a look there.

So, the city on high alert, David, and now, they're following up on some of these leads. They're taking it very seriously. If you make a threat against a police officer to do them harm or cause them harm, they're going to come after you.

DAVID WEBB, CO-HOST: Yes, and it's not just the threats. I got a text before I walked in here from a police officer on duty, and now, what they're doing and they've done it for the past several years, is they have loosened the lug nuts of their personal cars. So, they're going out, they have done this to transit police. There are reports that have been filed.

They are taking action. This arsenal is the real danger, in the city where they supposedly have some of the toughest gun laws in the country, you can't stop illegal guns from getting into the hands of criminals. Those will end up killing cops, and let's not ignore the fact that somebody firing indiscriminately could end up hitting passersby and end up hitting civilians. So, this is a real -- this is a real breakdown underway.

GUILFOYLE: We're facing a lot of challenges right now in New York City, but so are other cities across the country, Juan. I mean, your thoughts on this and how we have handled it here.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, New York is such an unusual arena, but it is the arena for the nation in some ways, if you look at Ferguson and what happened in Ferguson, it's a very different situation. And just what's happened in that other city in Missouri, you know, we just have to look at it and you think, well, there, I don't understand why there's any violence at all, because I think there you have a black mayor who said there's a tape, it's not even a matter of dispute, there's a tape. The guy pulls a gun and the police officer has every right to defend himself and fires.

So, what you get here is different. I think in New York, you have had a very difficult political situation with stop and frisk, which has divided so many people in this city, when you go back, there's Mayor Giuliani, it's Mayor Bloomberg and you look at the response that Mayor De Blasio, it's overwhelming. The black community supports Mayor De Blasio. The white community --

GUILFOYLE: I don't know about that.

WEBB: I'm sorry. I have to disagree on this. One, stop, question and frisk, which is what it is, has been around since the '60s, OK. This has gone through the Supreme Court. Many administrations. The problem we have here and I do agree you can isolate, you know, there are differences in each city. But you have an overarching narrative of police that is national.

In the case of Berkeley, Missouri, what happened after that is misinformation being sent out by people wearing peacemakers shirts and a couple of other people in the community and 300 people showed up and started rioting. So, this environment has been created largely by the attacks on police, largely by the race industry, by Sharpton, by Holder, a community relations service, by De Blasio telling people his son has to work a different way or he has to teach him a different way, and what ends up happening is you have this hatred of police with a very few but a very loud --

WILLIAMS: That is so -- look, David, that is so simple. The fact is that --


WILLIAMS: It's not true what you say. What's true is that a white judge in negotiations ruled against stop and frisk. That's the fact. And that has under Mayor Bloomberg.


WILLIAMS: OK, you can bad mouth the judge, I'm just telling you that's the reality.

This has been a situation for young black men in this city and I think it's generated a lot of tension --

GUILFOYLE: All right. We're going to take this discussion around the table because you can see that emotions are very high about this and there's a difference of opinion, but let's remember the law of the land, stop and frisk, stop, questions and frisk is legal according to the U.S. Supreme Court. Remember those guys?


JEDEDIAH BILA, CO-HOST: I'm concerned about leadership, you talk about New York and how that's an example for the nation in many ways. Well, look at Bill de Blasio. I mean, he was absolutely horrific in this. I'm concerned about why politicians from the president on down to local community members aren't realizing that they absolutely must step forward and make a point to unify right now and bring people together.

Because until they do that, I'm worried about New York. Bill de Blasio has been outrageous and now, police don't feel supported. So, these policemen have to go out there and risk their lives and they feel that their mayor doesn't have their back. That is a huge problem and I'm sure that that's going on throughout the country, in other locales.

I'm sure the police feel that if they step out and they have someone pulls a gun on them and they have to defend themselves, that they're going to have to answer to the media and potentially some political figures who are going to somehow make them out to be the bad guy right off the bat, right on day one. That's the reality that's happening that's unfortunate, and that's what police --


WILLIAMS: We should support good cops and I agree with you, most cops are good cops. But you should not be sitting here and defending bad cops.

BILA: I'm not defending bad cops.

GUILFOYLE: Nobody's doing that. We also don't make --


GUILFOYLE: I'm going to call the good guy.

WILLIAMS: Grand juries always, grand juries always give cops discretion and leeway, that's not the issue.

WEBB: So, now, the grand -- this is the narrative that's been polluting part of the environment since the grand jury in Ferguson. Now, grand juries are the bad guys when it can't be raised. That's going to be the grand jury. When it's not, it has to be a judge. Juan, we have got to stop with the small ball.

WILLIAMS: It's not small ball.

Go ahead, Tom. I don't want to interrupt.

GUILFOYLE: Let's play big ball.

TOM SHILLUE, CO-HOST: I don't think I can criticize the cardinal anyway. I'm Catholic.

GUILFOYLE: Don't you dare.


SHILLUE: I like the address he gave, I like when you turn down the temperature. I actually didn't like -- I'm so pro-cop, but I didn't like when they turned their backs on the mayor, because to me that's just turning up the temperature.

This whole thing, if I'm going to preach -- I'm going to preach, thou shall not bear false witness, because this whole thing was premised on a false proposition that black lives are in more danger from the police than they are from these bad neighborhoods and that's the thing that Mayor Giuliani was saying and he got in trouble for it. He said these youth out there are more in trouble from other youth in their own neighborhood.

WILLIAMS: That's true.

SHILLUE: It's not the police, and he was attacked for that.

WEBB: And then, this happened to the police and then, you know, everything. Part of the reason that happens is because it's not about dealing with the issues. Juan has dealt with the issues. We've dealt with our own way, we may agree or disagree on some things.

But those that want to keep this environment, which literary, and I've been in these rallies, I have been in these marches, I have been in this riots since August, whether in Ferguson, in D.C., with the National Action Network, or the ones here in New York. You're looking at people who are a collection of hardcore progressives, hardcore leftists, people -- there are people that protest peacefully, fine, take them out of the mix for a moment.

But who do you hear from? The organizations, the RevCom, the communists, the National Action Network -- all of these groups that are out there taking over.

WILLIAMS: This is such a distortion, I don't even know where to start. Let me just say, I like what the archbishop -- I like what the NAACP said recently when they said all lives matter, and I just think that is terrific and that's part of lowering the temperature.

And let me say, I was not in Ferguson or here in New York City, but I was in D.C., and I must tell you, these are not hard left corer, they were interracial.


WILLIAMS: Let me finish. Let me finish, David.

Most of them in fact were young people, college students. And a lot of college students, it was amusing to me, because, you know, I was going to a ball game. I'm walking through it. And most of them are college students, I have never seen anything like this, I wanted to participate, wanted to get involved. That's any hardcore I hate cops in Ferguson.

WEBB: Yes, it is, Juan, I spent hours, not a couple of hours, not a couple of minutes, I went there from the beginning before the march, through the end of the march in D.C. There are people that have concerns. There are college kids and young that are coming. The problem is you have too many of the hardcore groups.


GUILFOYLE: The problem is the people who are calling for -- for example, Reverend Al Sharpton who was print at that protest who was saying, what do we want? Dead cops. When do we want them? Now.

Really? That's not --

WILLIAMS: That's awful and not to be tolerated --

GUILFOYLE: It's dangerous advocacy.


WILLIAMS: I have no idea. For me, I don't have any idea.

BILA: Bill de Blasio was supporting protesters as --


WILLIAMS: Are you an American? Do you forget that we love protests? We are Tea Party people? Come on. We love a protest.


BILA: That's a problem.

WILLIAMS: We will fight to defend your rights, Jedediah, to go out there and protest.

BILA: But I'm not out there calling for cops to be killed.


WILLIAMS: Protest whatever you like, that's in the law, just keep it within the law. Let me just say, whatever problem with this is, we don't know. You know, a lot of this is, we don't have statistics, the government should produce statistics on police shootings, police injuries, police deaths --


GUILFOYLE: And police hires. So, we're going to get out of our house for a minute and get into somebody else's because earlier on CNN, Jeffrey Toobin had this to say.


JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: I think one of the reasons things New York are actually going to get better. Most of the new hires to the New York City Police Department are not white males, I mean, Ramos, Liu. They are typical of what's happening in the New York City Police Department in terms of their own diversity they represent. And I think that's a positive sign for the city.


GUILFOYLE: So, is that a racist comment?

SHILLUE: Well, I mean, I don't know if it's racist, but it is kind of silly. I think, if you look at the New York Police Department, it is very integrated and I feel that a lot of my friends on Facebook, there are a lot of protesters on there. I agree with Juan, that most of these protesters are -- there's people who want to believe in justice, but the people who are running these things, groups like Answer, you laughed when you mentioned communist, but the Answer is a communist. And they're heavily involved.

WEBB: They have weekly meetings in New York. Let me list them., I tell anyone watching, go to, website, go to RevCom, go to International Socialist, go to (INAUDIBLE). I can list them. They were all sponsors of weekend of resistance in October.

WILLIAMS: The biggest threat in David's life is communists, oh my God.

WEBB: They're the ones ginning up the division --



WILLIAMS: And there was no reason, let me tell you, people have been using communists throughout American history, to labor unions, the civil rights --

WEBB: I've interviewed them, Juan.

WILLIAMS: I don't care.


WILLIAMS: There might be communists, there's one communist? Oh my God. Let's run --

WEBER: There were dozens of them, hundreds of them.

GUILFOYLE: But the point is, there are people who are using that to further their own political and partisan and they're taking advantage perhaps of some youth, young people that want to be part of a movement.


WILLIAMS: Do you know who's number one? Your pal, Al Sharpton.

GUILFOYLE: He's not my pal by any stretch.

WILLIAMS: I can't even tease you.

GUILFOYLE: You're scaring me, Juan. You're scaring me.

Jedediah, let's get your thoughts. What about this comment from Jeffrey Toobin?

BILA: It's divisive. You know, it makes everything about race. The media oftentimes makes everything -- why, white on white violence doesn't exist? Black on black violence? It's not about the color of your screen oftentimes. It's about people who are criminals.

There are criminals. There are people that are in the wrong. There are cops who do good things and cops who do bad things, stop making everything in this country about race because you need a story to sell. It's nonsense.

WEBB: Maybe the reasoned voices and even here at the table, is to dial this back to the point of dealing with the issues, realizing that there are bad actors, good actors. There are people who are misguided. There are people who are right. But instead of having that debate and a reasoned sit down on this, our politicians, political leaders and public leaders out there, whether I agree with them or not, are dialing this up to their point of view. And what's being left out is that cops are people who put on uniforms, but they're citizens and they're people with families.


WEBB: Ramos and Liu, their families are grieving right now. Other officers that have been killed in the line of duty. Ramos was actually on duty for the most part at a school named after another policeman who was killed in the line of duty.

These are American citizens, your friends, your neighbors who are police officers. They choose to do the job.

GUILFOYLE: Your family members, too. You know, my cousin, former chief of police as well, Puerto Rican.

The point is, why do you have to judge somebody by the color of their skin. It's not going to be white officers hired? Why would you ever -- that is a racist statement. It is. You know what it's saying? You shouldn't hire white officers because they're going to be racist. That is a grotesque statement.

WILLIAMS: Wait a second. You should hire the best officers.

GUILFOYLE: Regardless of skin color.

WILLIAMS: That's correct. So, what we had in the past in this country is if you are a Hispanic, a Chinese, a black, you had a harder time breaking into these unions, into the police union, the firefighters union, that's a fact. But now, when you get to Jeffrey Toobin saying, (INAUDIBLE) that's a fact.


WILLIAMS: Yes, you forget the history?

WEBB: It's been a long time.

WILLIAMS: My point to you is we now have a police department in this city, where we have some racial integration.

GUILFOYLE: Some is over 50 percent.

WILLIAMS: I'm saying that's because people push to say let's get the best police officers, and not just hire your cousins.

GUILFOYLE: You know what? How about you got to apply for the job? And that's what I'm saying to the people in Ferguson, too. Apply for the police, there's tremendous opportunities to be able to work in government positions, to work as first responders, embrace it, don't complain all the time, be part of the solution. When someone asked, Officer Liu about being an officer, would say, it's dangerous.

Well, if I don't do it, who will? I want to give back, I want to be part of the community, that's the deal.

And Officer Ramos, working an overtime shift so he can support his son that was in college, his 13-year-old as well. They're Americans, they're people, they're first responders and they're putting it on the line every day for all of us, especially in high risk communities, like I used to live in when I grew up in San Francisco in the mission district.

Boy, let me tell you, when the chips are down, you are sure happy. You are calling for a cop. That's the thing and people forget and I hope they remember this weekend, Tom.


WILLIAMS: Wait a minute, why do you pick on Tom?

GUILFOYLE: No, I'm just acknowledging his presence.

Next, what President Obama told U.S. troops on Christmas that a lot of people might find very hard to believe.

And later, we have got an update for you on President Bush, who spent Christmas in the hospital. Details on 41, coming up on "The Five."


WEBB: President Obama has pledged to end the war in Afghanistan, and he told the Marines in Hawaii yesterday that it's going to happen on December 31st.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Next week, we're going to be ending our combat mission in Afghanistan. Obviously, because of the extraordinary service of the men and women in the American Armed Forces, Afghanistan has a chance to rebuild its own country. We are safer. It's not going to be a source of terrorist attacks again.


WEBB: Obama is confident the country is not going to be the source of terror attacks again. But how can he say with certainty? This year's been the deadliest of the 13-year war. Nearly 10,000 civilians and 5,000 Afghan forces have been killed.

Senator John McCain just spent Christmas in Afghanistan and he delivered this warning before he left about what will happen if America pulls out too soon.


SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: It's going to be a lot worse unless we leave a force behind, rather than removing everybody from Afghanistan. We'll see the Iraqi movie again, and it will be tragic, because again, we wasted too much American blood and treasure.


WEBB: So, will we see the Iraq movie again?

This is a political decision, Tom. It's been a decision where the nation -- you know, you hear the term war-weary. Our soldiers, by the way, are not war weary. I talk to these men and women. They say, if you give us the mission, give us the tools, let us do it, we'll accomplish.

But here we have a political precipitous withdrawal as many on the right say, many on the left say it's not. What do you say? Is this a case of pulling out early and not considering the consequences?

SHILLUE: Well, didn't President Obama run on this is the good war? Remember he ran --


SHILLUE: And this was -- we took our eye off the ball, wasn't that the rallying cry at the time? And he said, we've got to get back there, but then it all reversed, and President Obama has a knack for saying, OK, everything's fine. I mean, it seems like he says --

WEBB: Well, he's declared victory. Has he declared victory?

SHILLUE: Well, he just did and he said we're safer, and it's not going to be a launching pad for terrorism, but based on what?

WEBB: Well, let me ask you this, Juan. We just gave four terrorists from Gitmo back to Afghanistan. We have already called our facility there for holding them. We have given them back.

These are people that agree with the same kind of people that attacked a school, killed 150 mostly children. We're talking about terrorists that indiscriminately kill.

Does that guarantee safety?

WILLIAMS: No, but that's not what happened. What happened was the new president of Afghanistan asked President Obama as part of the reconciliation, as part of a new atmosphere between the U.S. and Afghanistan, remember, how difficult President Karzai was for the U.S. government, that these four who had been clear to be sent away be returned and that was the deal.

So, that's what happened there. Now you say these guys support the killing of 150 children?

WEBB: They're the same ideology that --

WILLIAMS: I don't know about that.

WEBB: Terrorists don't separate, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: No, they don't.

WEBB: We only kill children. We only kill -- blow up bombs in markets, we only kill troops. Ashraf Ghani, the president that Juan mentioned, may have asked for this deal. But what happened to the word no.

GUILFOYLE: Well, right. The deal shouldn't have been made. But nevertheless, he's also the same guy who's realized they can't go it alone. He's actually asked for more security forces to stay to help stabilize the situation in Afghanistan. We still do have troops and men and women on the ground in Afghanistan. We're going to need this more. This isn't a reality conversation we're having.

So, President Obama can hold up the V sign all he wants, that's not what's going on in Afghanistan right now, that is an area that can really teeter in the wrong direction really quickly. And all the people that I know in the intelligence forces that are over there, that have been in Afghanistan in the last few weeks, say it is amongst the scariest times they have seen in Afghanistan in the past ten years, in terms of the threat level and instability.

So, this is a situation -- we're going to have to go back and supply more troops, because they're not ready for show time either in Afghanistan, because we have men and women there who are going to need security forces to keep them safe as well. Otherwise, we're relying on the Afghanis to do it. They're not up to speed on it and that's a fact.

WEBB: Right. And, Jedediah, we had all these attacks against U.S. troops on base. You never know who's next to you. In the short trip I took over there, the caveat, or the warning is be aware of everybody around you, not to go along with -- not just the troops that Kimberly mentioned, but contractors and people who work in Afghanistan. The lesser the numbers, the higher the propensity of attacks, that's the way it plays.

What do you think?

BILA: I just don't understand why we bothered getting involved at all if we're not going to see it through to the end.

GUILFOYLE: And do it right.

BILA: These are troops that risk their lives, some lose their lives. And then, what do we do? We just pull out for some political -- doesn't Barack Obama realize this too is part of his legacy? He pulls these troops out and then Afghanistan falls into chaos, that happened because of his decision? That's part of his presidential legacy. So, he doesn't just get to walk away scot-free. He doesn't get to point the finger and blame that on somebody else.

And if you ask people, and he's going around saying the world is better, it's safer, it's more peaceful, if you ask people and you poll them, people have large national security concerns. They're very worried when you poll people coming out of the midterm elections, national security rate is very high because they're worried about Syria, they're worried about Afghanistan, they're worried about the fact that people are beheading American journalists, and they're advertising it. These are concerns that Americans have and I don't know if this president gets it.

WILLIAMS: Can I speak? Given that it's the Christmas season, I don't like to have to do this, seated with this fine people. But I want to speak to the audience tonight for Republicans and conservatives, and let me say that most Republicans and most conservatives according to almost every poll think it's time for us to get out of Afghanistan. And they join with Democrats on this point. And when it comes to nation building and staying until, oh, gee, they have every school, every road paved, everybody is safe. That's not our issue.

These folks here, I don't know what they're representing. But for conservatives, we say enough.

BILA: You're a conservative now?

WILLIAMS: Yes, I didn't hear any conservatives speaking on this panel.


GUILFOYLE: Wait. Does that sound like bizarre Halloween?


WILLIAMS: We are on FOX News. We need a conservative point of view sometime.

SHILLUE: Juan is right. There are a lot of conservatives that they - -

WEBB: Because we're not being allowed to do the job correctly.

SHILLUE: I think it's true. You're right.

WEBB: Here's a thing -- it's not a conservative or Democrat issue, it's a national security issue.


WEBB: And anyone can posture left or right, or anyone can poll left or right, but until the attacks are out are largely gone. Until --


WILLIAMS: Is the Middle East going to be a day where there are no attacks?

WEBB: No, I said until they are largely gone. The bottom line on this is that this is not a conservative or Democrat issue, and our troops are not wary, they were not given the tools to do the job.

GUILFOYLE: Exactly. They're ready to serve.

WEBB: They need tools to do the job right.

SHILLUE: And to save time, President Obama is releasing all these Gitmo prisoners. I mean, I'm wondering, why are we releasing everybody from Gitmo at the same time we're retreating from the Middle East? It's crazy.

WEBB: It's the Bowe Bergdahl plan, you give them everything they want. You get nothing back.

Up next, what did the five of us do on Christmas yesterday? We're going to tell you. We're going to show you. That's coming up.

What did you do on Christmas?


WILLIAMS: I don't know.


WILLIAMS: It's the day after Christmas. Some of you are still opening presents, others of you returning them. We hope you all had a great Christmas.

We're going to share with you now what we did on the holiday. And, you know guys, I'm going to start, because I want to show you all a tape of me being abused on Christmas day. Look at this.

WEBB: It's just like being here.




BILA: Where are you? Oh, my gosh.


WILLIAMS: Oh, who is this?


GUILFOYLE: Who is this?

WILLIAMS: That's a good question, who is this?

Since I was buried, I couldn't see a thing. That was Pepper. That was Wesley. They're the twin girls who are 2. And their brother, their 4- year-old brother, the one there in the green, that's Elias. And we were in Washington on Christmas day. They had such a bonanza of gifts, as you can imagine. And I got buried. I just got buried.

WEBB: What does it say on that sweater you're wearing?

WILLIAMS: That's an old Bullets jersey.


SHILLUE: Did they get you up at 5 in the morning?

WILLIAMS: Five in the morning. I got their parents at 5 in the morning. I did "FOX and Friends" at around 8, and then I went over to their house and, boy, the party was on. I tell you.

WEBB: It's a different show.

GUILFOYLE: But how much fun, though? Right? They're so cute. They're adorable.

WILLIAMS: Terrific. Let me ask you something. What happened at your point -- your house?

GUILFOYLE: My Christmas?


GUILFOYLE: Yes. We had a good time. We went to the godparents and then -- and had dinner with the grandparents. And so I've got some pictures here. That's Ronan and me at the godparents'. They had an 11- foot tree. It made mine look like Minnie Mouse.

And then that's Ronan with his cook book from Dana and Jasper, a junior cook book, because he's a big eater. So she always laughs, because he eats a lot like his mom.

And that's his telescope that he got from his dad, so it was a good day for Ro-dog.

WILLIAMS: No, no. You've got to tell us about T-rex.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, the T-rex. So one of the other things he got was this gigantic dinosaur, and he's obsessed with it. T-rex in the bed, T-rex in the -- throw it in with me in the bed. I'm like scared at night. Ro and his T-rex. Not exactly my idea of company, if you know what I mean.

WEBB: Hold it. You sing "Santa Baby" for anybody?

WILLIAMS: Jedediah, I know you had a great Christmas.

BILA: I did, I went home to Staten Island.

WILLIAMS: All right.

BILA: Mommy and Daddy Bila. Lots of Italian food. I usually don't drink. Kimberly especially knows I don't drink. But I did have a cocktail or two. I do have a photo of -- that's what happens. This is why I don't drink.

WILLIAMS: Oh, my gosh.

BILA: I thought I was -- you know, I had a little bow on my head. I thought I could wrap myself up.

GUILFOYLE: I'm like what is that on your head?

BILA: I was a little low on cash this year, so I created a present of my own. A little bow on my forehead.

WEBB: So you did "Santa Baby."

BILA: Listen, I did. I did. And those shoes Kimberly wore on set the other day I bought.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, yes, those good old Lablaca (ph). Fuzzy bedroom slippers.

WILLIAMS: By the way, I thought you looked great. You look very celebratory -- Tom.

SHILLUE: Oh, yes, Christmas, a great tradition in the Shillue home. In our home, it's the same as when I was a kid. My two daughters opened up their presents. It's hard to compete with Santa, because he brings all the best gifts, but we try to get a look at all those smiley faces.

And then, after we take them to church, look at those faces, they're not as happy.


SHILLUE: I got to spoil their fun, haul them off to church. But that's what happened to me and my brother. We'd open up our presents, and then we'd have to go off to church. But I'm telling you, even if you're not religious, take the kids to church on Christmas morning.

GUILFOYLE: It's very important.

SHILLUE: It's the only thing that gets them out of that -- that Christmas daze of gifts.

WILLIAMS: You know what? You're right. Yes, you're right, it's kind of hard because they don't understand, I think, what this is about. But anyway, yes. David.

WEBB: Guess?

WILLIAMS: What is going on here?

WEBB: I know. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

WILLIAMS: Let me ask you something, now, David. I know you had a party on Christmas.

WEBB: Look, I'm a single guy. I get a Christmas present, I can't talk about. Let's say David's little black book and a wristwatch.

GUILFOYLE: Wait, are you blushing? You're blushing!

WEBB: I had a nice -- I had a nice Christmas at Mom's. They did the Christmas tree. We have a picture of it up there. And look at that. She does a great job. I've got all the ornaments on there from my grandparents.

GUILFOYLE: Very nice.

WEBB: Our whole legacy on there. And I ate myself -- and she always makes my favorite dessert, trifle. British trifle, so that means with lots of brandy.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, good stuff.

WEBB: You see, the drinks come in the dessert in my home.

BILA: That's the way to do it.

GUILFOYLE: That's very nice.

WILLIAMS: Very quickly, though.


WILLIAMS: Any of you guys returning gifts?



SHILLUE: No, you just re-gift them.

WILLIAMS: What do you mean, Tom?

WEBB: I like my gifts.

SHILLUE: You open it up and you look in, and it's a sweater. I don't know why people give sweaters anyway. It's a very personal choice, you know, what kind of pattern you're going to wear. But you can just kind of close up the box and you know, you know, give it to somebody else.

WEBB: I got great gifts. I'm not giving any away.

GUILFOYLE: All my gifts came from Dana Perino. And I got, like, the oriole, the bedroom slipper thing, the heel with the fuzzy slippers.


WILLIAMS: I've got to tell you, people give me things that are made of wool, and I'm -- I get itchy if I wear a wool sweater.

BILA: me, too. I can't wear wool either.

SHILLUE: I love wool.

WEBB: Give them to Tom. There you go.

SHILLUE: I love wool next to the skin.

BILA: Give Tom sweaters.

GUILFOYLE: Tom would take it.

WILLIAMS: All right. Still to come on "The Five," Shaquille O'Neal is a pretty big guy. No doubt. So how'd he end up as a Christmas tree ornament? We're going to show you next. The tape is right ahead.



JAMES FRANCO, ACTOR: He's peanut butter and jealous.

SETH ROGEN, ACTOR: What is there to be jealous of?

FRANCO: They hate us, because they anus (ph).

ROGEN: They don't hate us because they anus (ph).

FRANCO: They hate us because they anus (ph).

ROGEN: Stop saying that.

FRANCO: Haters going to hate. And ainers (ph) going to ain't.

ROGEN: That is not an actual thing that people say.


BILA: Well, it is the movie that North Korea did not want Americans to see, and it made history yesterday. It is the first studio film to premier online. "The Interview" also debuted in select theaters nationwide and grossed more than $1 million on Christmas stay.

Co-director and star Seth Rogen couldn't contain his excitement about the release in a surprise appearance at one of the screenings.


ROGEN: We thought this might not happen at all. We just wanted to say thank you. If it wasn't for theaters like this and for people like you guys, this literally would not be (EXPLETIVE DELETED) happening right now.


BILA: Well, the movie isn't getting rave reviews from critics, but did any of you guys happen to see it yet?

SHILLUE: I'm surprised they didn't do the "One mill" -- The Dr. Evil, $1 million. One million is not a lot of money. The way you read that, it was like it was acceptable.

BILA: You know, considering the obstacles that it faced, I mean, we were thinking that no one was going to be able to see this movie at all. They went to great lengths to be able to get people to see it online, in certain select theaters. I was -- I am very happy this -- and I know you don't go to the movies.

SHILLUE: I don't go to movies, and I don't know why anybody does. Two hours out of your life? They're too long. I want -- everything should be an hour. I only watch TV shows now, because they're an hour long.

BILA: An hour?

SHILLUE: And then if you have a lot of energy -- see, when you have kids you don't want to -- you don't want to stay up for two hours. You want a show. And if you've got a lot of energy, then you can watch another one. That's why Netflix is so good.

But going up to the movies, it takes you half an hour get there, then you sit in the seat. You watch all the ads. It's like two hours. It's ridiculous.

WEBB: It's the movie Grinch. We found the movie Grinch.

GUILFOYLE: My goodness.


WILLIAMS: Do you know how much they charge you for a Coke? Do you know how much they charge you for a Coke and popcorn?

BILA: Interesting. He has a movies pet peeves.

WEBB: Seven dollars for popcorn.

BILA: Very expensive.

Now Juan -- look at Juan. He's like, "Forget it."

WILLIAMS: No, I like movies, but it's too long. Tom's right.

SHILLUE: Go to North Korea in the time it takes to go to the movies.

BILA: It's more fun to watch the movie.

Despite some of the reviews -- "Variety" said it was an evening of cinematic waterboarding. I don't think that's very nice.



BILA: But do you think most Americans will pluck (ph) it out, will -- just because this became an act of patriotism?

WILLIAMS: Yes! I do.

BILA: Like we're standing up for free speech.

WILLIAMS: It's a personal -- and you know, it's not a hard personal statement, but it's a personal statement that, "You know what? We're not going to be bullied." And I think that's exactly right. Hats off to them. I wish Sony had done this earlier.

I will say that, you know, it's not just American critics, but Chinese critics -- and this is so interesting to me -- love it.

BILA: Yes.

WILLIAMS: They think it's a great movie. So China, who's a big patron of North Korea, guess what? They like the criticism.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Well, this is the best thing that happened to Sony and to this film, right, the criticism, generating the press. Otherwise it just would have been, like, immediately released to video and pay-per-view.

WEBB: Yes, but what are they celebrating? I hope it's a funny movie if I ever get to see it when it comes on cable. But...

GUILFOYLE: You're just waiting for free. Right? Waiting for it for free, free.

WEBB: Seriously, I'm a businessman, and look at this. You spent about $44 million. You made a million on your first day out of the box. Guys, don't pop the champagne yet.

BILA: They're celebrating people decided, "You know what? We're not going to be silenced. America is going stand up for America." You're going to stand up for free speech. That's what they're celebrating.

WEBB: I think we're going to find out that this was the greatest P.R. ploy, because it's not the first time the White House has worked with Amy Pascal and Sony.

BILA: What do you think, though -- David, what do you think about Seth Rogen showing up in the theater? I thought that was a really interesting...

WEBB: That's cool. That's cool. I have nothing against these guys. I just think it's funny that we're celebrating $1 million on a $44 million investment. I think you ought to wait a little longer.

SHILLUE: Well, a million -- a million people downloaded it illegally, as well. So...

WEBB: Well, Kim Jong-Il -- Kim Jong-un saw it first. He showed it to Kim Jong-Il in his...

SHILLUE: Yes, that's how -- that's how patriotic Americans saw it, like, "I'm going to watch it, but I'm not going to pay for it."

GUILFOYLE: We're losing David Webb. I don't know if you're hearing his last commentary. Getting a little crazy.

BILA: All right. Well, coming up, want to ride around in President Obama's motorcade? I do. You can actually be a driver, if you have a license. One student has the selfies to prove her experience as volunteer chauffeur.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, I thought that was you.

BILA: Up next.


SHILLUE: Ever see a presidential motorcade go by? Most of us would assume Secret Service agents are behind the wheel, but did you know that some of those drivers are people like you and me, with no security credentials whatsoever?

Twenty-four-year-old Natalie Tyson is a grad student in California. She's one of the many volunteers who have been selected to drive cars in the president's motorcade without any security training.

Even she can't believe it, posting photos to Facebook captioned, "Wondering why anyone would trust me with a 15-passenger van full of reporters." Well, we wouldn't anymore.

GUILFOYLE: Out of a job.

SHILLUE: One of them said, "Zoomed through the empty streets. People waved and took my picture, but I don't think they realized that I'm just me."

And another one: "On the tarmac again, this time saying bye-bye to Air Force One."

The Secret Service defends the use of its volunteer drivers, saying it's been standard practice since at least the 1980s when I was just a baby.


GUILFOYLE: That's a big duh. Duh, dummy, duh. Bad idea.

SHILLUE: What's going on?

GUILFOYLE: I have no idea. This is the worst. I think it's a total security breach. I would never -- who would you want? You want a kid that's like going to come, like drive your car around, post selfies on Facebook? How is this a good idea?

SHILLUE: Well, you know, it's probably...

GUILFOYLE: North Korea's laughing at us again.

SHILLUE: I be -- it's got to be against the -- I'm sure she's going to get in trouble for this.

GUILFOYLE: Well, we just lost her job for her. I hope you're happy, Tom.

SHILLUE: Juan, did you know -- why are they -- She's carrying around the reporters. Does that say that the reporters are less valuable? They don't care? There's a 15-passenger van full of reporters, and they got some student driving them around.

WILLIAMS: Tom, Tom, Tom. So that's a revelation to you, that the reporters are less important than politicians? How many politicians want to get rid of the reporters and the press pool all together?

GUILFOYLE: No kidding.

WILLIAMS: But let me just say, I used to cover President Reagan for six years for The Washington Post. And of course, the drivers who drive people around, like staff and so forth, oftentimes are people who just work for whatever transportation company. They're not Secret Service. They have never been.

So she just made this thing very public and foolish, but it's nothing different. And I will say that, when there is an emergency, the people in the bubble, they are all driven by Secret Service. The president, the staff who are critical folks are in a small group that's all very protected. And local police then are guiding people like that woman. And the streets are empty. It's not like she can have an accident or anything.

SHILLUE: David, these people are Democrats. What are they doing with volunteers? Shouldn't these be union jobs?

WILLIAMS: That was good. That was terrific.


WEBB: Besides the fact that she just ruined it for every other high- dollar donor...

GUILFOYLE: Everyone.

WEBB: ... who wanted their daughter to drive the reporters off the cliff.

And Juan's right, they've been doing this practice all along. And inside the bubble, they're all driven by, you know, Secret Service, trained drivers. But, you know, this comes down to where are our Secret Service being used, where they're being pushed aside, and why aren't we hiring more of them to go drive the president around? I'm just trying to get back to the union argument.

SHILLUE: I mean, well, listen, look, this is actually a dangerous job, driving around in these motorcades. 2006, an officer lost their life driving President George W. Bush. 2007, a police officer drives in a motorcycle crash. Florida, 2012, dies in a crash while President Obama drives to a campaign rally.

GUILFOYLE: Right, right.

SHILLUE: This is dangerous stuff.

BILA: So why not just train her? If you want to just use regular people, if that's your argument, train them. I mean, she said she had never even driven a fan. Forget about a van in this kind of capacity, she had never driven a van before. That's like putting me in. I say I don't drive stick shift. And you say, "Oh, give it a shot. Do it while the president's in front of you."

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

BILA: I mean, it's crazy.

SHILLUE: I'm -- Kimberly, I'm always nervous when I'm in any car with any driver. It doesn't matter. You know, even these limo drivers with the epaulettes on or whatever, I never think that they're safe.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. But your bubble is only as good as the perimeter around it. I would want to make sure that I was extra secure and anybody that's in that situation.

I mean, not to hurt volunteers or to cast aspersions. God bless volunteers. I don't think this is the best spot for it. Let's be honest. And you're supposed to have certain classes of a license to be able to drive different vehicles. So I don't understand how sort of anything goes. And just because we've been doing it for a long time doesn't mean that we still should.

SHILLUE: I never like those 15-passenger vans. They always seem dangerous to me.

OK, "One More Thing" is up next.


GUILFOYLE: Time now for "One More Thing," and we want to take a moment to send our heartfelt wishes for a speedy recovery to beloved former President George H.W. Bush, affectionately known as 41. As you know, you heard the reports that he was admitted to Houston Methodist Hospital just a couple days before Christmas for shortness of breath. But we've heard from the family, and he is doing well and in great spirits and sends us all his best. So we hope that he'll be out very soon.

Keep in mind on his birthday, his 90th birthday in June, when he was doing the high dive, doing the parachute jumping. What a guy. They don't make them like that anymore. Anyway, all the best to 41.

OK, what do we got next? Juan.

WILLIAMS: It was a big basketball Christmas day all across the NBA in America. And the TNT crew on TV was having fun when guess what happened? The big Aristotle had a spill. Look at this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get fouled. Get people -- see? See, here he is. See?


WILLIAMS: Oh, my goodness.

WEBB: Looks like football to me.

WILLIAMS: You know what? That is 7'1," 300-pound Shaquille O'Neal going into the Christmas tree.

GUILFOYLE: Is he OK? Look at Juan. Juan, you're so mean.

BILA: You're terrible. You laughed so hard.

WILLIAMS: I just think that's so funny. That's a Christmas special right there. We should just replay that tape.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. That was awkward.

OK, Tom, you're next. Do you have something fantastic?

SHILLUE: I am. I'm excited for the future of drones. I can't wait till we get our Chinese delivery in a drone. I want to -- I love them. But one place a drone is not welcome on a nature preserve, take a look at this. That is a -- a little family of kangaroos. A mama kangaroo who's very protective of her young. And here comes the drone. It comes in for a closer look.

Take a look. Boom! It's down. Look at that.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

SHILLUE: Yes, you want to protect your drone, don't mess with kangaroos.

GUILFOYLE: I'm going to put some kangaroos in my yard. OK. That's kind of fun.

All right, Jedediah, what do you have?

BILA: OK, I am going to make your life, are you ready?


BILA: You're going to sleep better. J&D Foods, they have launched bacon-scented pillowcases. OK? The scene of bacon is embedded in the ink. Look at that. It lasts six to 12 months. Now, don't eat them, because I gave one to Greg Gutfeld, and he ate it and swallowed it, and that's why he's not here today. So don't do that. It's very tempting, though, I will tell you.

GUILFOYLE: That would keep me awake.

BILA: And you can go to Store dot...

SHILLUE: It's terrible.

BILA: No. It's a great idea.

SHILLUE: Bacon wakes you up. It's like a horrible. Why don't you sleep on a bag of coffee? It's ridiculous.

BILA: Oh, come on. I want to dream of bacon.

WEBB: Do you gnaw on your pillow at night?

GUILFOYLE: You wake up and your hair smells like bacon?

BILA: Men love that. Men love that. Come on, man.

WEBB: I don't know. What do you, bathe with egg cream when you wake up in the morning?

BILA: You wake up...

GUILFOYLE: They like bacon in their mouth. Like not all over your hair.

BILA: You wake up, you get a side of eggs and some pancakes. It's a complete package.

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. It's getting weirder by the minute. OK. That was -- that was -- whoa. I don't know what to say. David.

WEBB: I love this story. This is the story of the night. This passenger that got on American Airlines, they said, "Merry Christmas" to him before he boarded.

He said, "Don't say 'Merry Christmas.'" This is the Christmas Grinch. He gets on the airplane. He gets greeted, because American said, "It's Christmas. Let's say 'Merry Christmas to all our people that come on, all our passengers.'"

He finally got booted off the airplane. You know what really gets me, though? Why don't you give me the name of this guy so I can tell everybody who the Christmas Grinch is?

GUILFOYLE: That's really bothering you, isn't it?

WEBB: That's the thing. That's really bothering me. I'm glad they threw him off the airplane. It's Christmas, dude. Get over yourself.

BILA: There you go.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my goodness. At least we have still some Christmas spirit here.

WILLIAMS: Love this guy. I like this guy.

GUILFOYLE: Juan Williams. Absolutely.

WILLIAMS: Sporting a Christmas "Jingle Bell" tie.

GUILFOYLE: I love it. All right. Well, time to go. It's been fun, though. Thank you.

That's it for us. Have a great weekend, everyone. Because you know what's next? "Special Report."

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