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Critics blast president on US-Cuba prisoner swap

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," December 3, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Earlier today a prisoner swap between the United States and Cuba set off the most significant warming in relations between our two countries in over half a century. President Obama announced the details of the deal from the White House this afternoon.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: In the most significant changes in our policy in more than 50 years, we will end an outdated approach that for decades has failed to advance our interests and instead, will begin to normalize relations between our two countries. Going forward, the U.S. will establish an embassy in Havana, and high ranking officials will visit Cuba. It will be easier for Americans to travel to Cuba. And Americans will be able to use American credit and debit cards on the island. Nobody represents America's values better than the American people. Todos somos Americanos.

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PERINO: Marco Rubio, a member of the Senate foreign relations committee and the son of Cuban immigrants said Obama's decision will do nothing to help the people of Cuba who still suffer under a communist regime.

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MARCO RUBIO, FLORIDA SENATOR: One of my greatest hopes is to live to see the nation of Cuba and it's people become free and open and Democratic. And that's exactly why today's announcement from the White House is so profoundly disappointing. These changes will lead to legitimacy for a government that shamelessly, continuously abuses human rights, but it will not lead to assistance to those whose rights are being abused. It is just another concession to a tyranny by the Obama administration.

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PERINO: The angry at Obama wasn't limited to Republicans outgoing Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chair Bob Menendez had some equally tough words for President Obama.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BOB MENENDEZ, NEW JERSEY SENATOR: I fear that today's actions will put at risk the thousands of Americans that work overseas to support civil society, to advocate for access to information, to promote humanitarian services and promote Democratic reforms. As to the president's broader policy announcements, I believe that it is misguided and fails to understand the nature of the regime in Cuba that has exerted it's authoritarian control over the Cuban people for 55 years.

(END VIDEO CLIP) PERINO: We should start by saying that we welcome home Alan Goss, he is a Jewish aid worker, he was trying to help the Cuban people and he had been held by the Cuban government for many years. In fact, he was the subject of several one more things on this program as we helped support his family and we're very glad that he is home back in his country and with his family especially at this time of the holidays. Eric, there's a lot of strong emotions on both sides of this -- I'm sorry, Alan Gross, excuse me, Kimberly. Thank you for correcting me. This ended Alan Gross's imprisonment, but at the same time, with a snap of the finger, President Obama announced a normalization of relations with Cuba, how -- where do you sit on this? Because I have a feeling you might have a view that is interesting to people.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: So, -- immediately after it came out, there were a lot of conservatives saying, "What is he doing? Obama, here he is, getting close to another communist country, another communist leader." I'm not -- I'm not bandwagon, I think this is a fantastic policy move by President Obama, it was a long time coming. I love the idea of opening relations, opening markets with Cuba, it's a fantastic -- 90 miles off our shore, they buy -- we're their number one food supplier, we supply a huge portion of the food they consume, we're number 46, I think in -- they're number 46 on one of our export markets, 225 so it's up there. That will only expand their opportunities are endless. Right now, you can't get a business in Cuba if you're an American business, you will be able to start to do that. This -- I think is a fantastic idea, before anyone -- you know, just goes crazy on me -- at me for this, think about this for a second. We trade with China -- actively, China is our biggest -- from one of our biggest trading partners, China's communist for the most part, I mean, they have -- they have kind of capital communism bent to them. They also have human rights violations, Japan dropped bombs on us in 1944, 1945, and we're still trading with them as well. This time a pro free-marketeer, I think this is great -- Ralph Castor (ph) by the way, has always been way more pro free-market than his brother, Fidel, and this is a good opportunity.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Yeah, I think he had no choice, though, but to make this deal, especially with oil prices going down, I mean, this is something could lead to total economic collapse of Cuba, Venezuela, seeing the same problems with the oil market. So the timing was right to be able to have this opportunity and have a little bit of liberate (ph) with them. I only hope that the people in Cuba will only benefit from this, just like the people in the United States, the economies will benefit, we can work towards better diplomatic relations because I -- at the same time abhor their dictatorial regime.

PERINO: That is one thing, the human rights violations Bob, are real and that is what's driven people like, Senator Marco Rubio and Senator Menendez, one Republican, one Democrat but whose families fled Cuba, and had fought for freedom and -- are worried not about the market and the economic situation for the United States benefit, but about the people of Cuba. That's why it's been so hard to get this done in Congress up to now.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, I tell you what.

PEIRNO: Well, they're not even going through Congress, not the other part.

BECKEL: I tell you what's been hard. It's been hard because the Cuban American lobbyists have been very, very strong for a lot of years. It's now getting diminished, has more, more spending groups (ph) take more, more prevalence in the lobby, one. Two, we trade with China, we trade with Russia, we trade Saudi Arabia, all human rights abusers, much more the Cuba is. And here's the first benefit of low oil prices, Cuba was getting all their aid from the Soviet Union, they can't get it now. Right now, to everyone has a time to move in and do this, now is the time to do it, not - - as I already said, 9 miles off our shore and the potential for business, the United States is enormous.

PERINO: Greg, do you think this is the broader effort by President Obama, it's sort of the first step, as he is the lame duck in his last two years, to reorder diplomatic relations of the United States with some people -- or some countries that we have had as foes for many years?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yeah, I guess so, I don't know -- I mean, I -- part -- I'm right in the middle here, I like the idea of normalization, because it's another place for me to drink, it's another warm beach that I can throw up on. And I like that.

PERINO: What about the people?

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PERINO: OK.

GUTFELD: Also I'm tired of people bragging about their rare Cuban cigars, now, we can all get the Cuban cigars. I'm sick of the fat guy at the bar, telling me how much this cigar cost. However, I do have some issues here, the reason why Cuba is different is because they're in our hemisphere, and because for the past 50 years, they've been jerks. And the idea of having normalized relations with the abnormal leadership, it's like having a conversation with the sofa. The sofa's never gonna change, for 50 years, they have treated their people terribly, awful. And -- I agree with you, the sanctions haven't worked and it is time for a change. But we have to walk into this with our eyes wide open. We have to walk in and say, what the hell are we getting out of this? And this is where Obama -- where I'm gonna answer your question about Obama. I'm circumspect about any swap that he does. Because he's a terribly salesman, I keep thinking he's gonna put the White House on Craig's list, you know for a time share in Maui. Because -- I just don't think he makes good deals. However, there is a deal to be made. I want to see, unlike all the left on Twitter, I wanna see McDonald's there, and I wanna see Starbucks there, I wanna see a bank on every corner. The problem -- but everybody's saying, "Oh, capitalism," as if that's worse than a squalid dictatorship, if you look at the pictures of downtown historic Havana, it looks like a bombed of -- you know, bombed out Dresden. It is terrible.

BECKEL: It is used to be evasive of the American business.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BECKEL: Why -- in office. And the idea that the businessmen are very much behind this, -- and the other thing is -- I'm -- to make this point again, the Spanish in this country, the Cubans and Mexicans and Puerto Ricans, never exactly agreed on things, particularly this issue. And now they are being overwhelmed by -- I would mention to say this -- would favor this. And the reason to sanction (ph) had work, is why is these people are started. The Russians cannot pick up slick (ph)

PERINO: What about though -- the.

GUILFOYLE: It's true.

PERINO: Process of this, Eric, which is, once again, President Obama not going through a new Congress to see if they can try to get something done, but instead going in front of them and then saying, OK, now I want to work with you, afterwards. I mean, it's that cause problems going into to the next two years?

BOLLING: So, he promised he was gonna do this, remember he talked about this four years ago, he said that was one of the things that he would love to see is a normalization -- normalizing -- by the way it's not free and open trade just yet, we're gonna work, work our way into that.

GUILFOYLE: Well, Jay-Z and Beyonce are happy.

BOLLING: Well, look, there will be some -- some travel to Cuba, there will be probably some opportunity for business to Cuba. But -- you know, Marco Rubio, a guy who comes from Cuba says he doesn't like deal -- he may never have gotten this through a Congress, through a Senate. So -- so he went ahead and did this now, am I hypocrite to say I don't like what he did with immigration, but I do like what he did with this, maybe. Because I think this will -- call me a hypocrite, I'll accept that, but in this case, it's very, very good for U.S. business, it's fantastic for U.S. agriculture.

BECKEL: Yes, sure.

BOLLING: I mean, it's just -- they're gonna be able to produce more, as we -- already we're sending a ton of soybeans and corn to Cuba, that will continue to.

GUILFOYLE: Not good for Russia.

GUTFELD: You know what? You know what? GUILFOYLE: We're cutting in.

BOLLING: Not good for Russia.

GUILFOYLE: Because we're cutting in.

BOLLING: Fringe benefits.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, we're cutting into their influence.

BOLLING: Absolutely fringe benefit, yeah.

GUTFELD: If only President Obama could articulate it in that manner, because what we hear from him is -- it's the right thing to do which drives me nuts.

PERINO: And that, we've been wrong for the last 50 years.

GUTFELD: Yeah --

PERINO: And now I've come to save everybody now save America's reputation.

GUTFELD: It's on us. We've been wrong for 50 years, now it's the right thing to do, again, that invites suspicion. You've got to tell us why we were wrong? I mean, look, doing things -- if I'm saying for the greater good, brought us communism, it bought us mad debts. So you need to explain yourself and not insult the people, especially the Cubans here. As though - - they've been doing the wrong thing because they've been so upset, If only -- President Obama could talk to our adversaries, the way he talks to America. If he could just reverse that, he unites globally but he divides locally. And if you could just explain what he's doing, Cubans might be, OK.

BECKEL: It was communism that was to drove out, the American business down there -- by the way.

GUTFELD: Who was the communist? The Castro's.

BECKEL: The 50 years ago they had missiles directed to us in the Soviet Union.

PERINO: Correct.

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GUILFOYLE: That is another.

GUTFELD: .shirt.

GUILFOYLE: Bob.

GUTFELD: What did he do? --

GUILFOYLE: What you've said was really good point. Really could, because this is really a good opportunity for the United States, like I was mentioning earlier to cut into that atmosphere of influence that Russia has, perhaps this can -- help from them, developing new facilities or modernizing, it's an electronic intelligence gathering capabilities that they have in Cuba. So I like it from the national security perspective.

PEIRNO: Can I ask you another thing Kimberly, from a negotiations stand point so.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

PERINO: One of the complaints about this deal was that, this would signal to other regimes that you can take prisoner, an American, and you can get a deal with the United States.

GUILFOYLE: And abuse your own people.

PEIRNO: I don't know if I -- exactly agree with that. I'm glad Alan Gross is home and maybe these happen in the past. But the Cubans, who were released back, were convicted in a court of law for terrorism against the United States.

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely, and their pictures were all over Cuba, there were five total right? Three that we released, the other two had served their time, but they were heralded as heroes, when in fact, they were legitimate spy's trying to do harm to the United States and infiltrate our intelligence gathering. Look, and just make the point clear, that Alan Gross was a hostage, let's be clear. He knew that he was held incorrectly, in prison, he was kept against his will for a crime he did not commit. So, I mean, I'm happy that he's home but.

BECKEL: The president announced an embassy in Cuba. But still is that -- it's not going around Congress. Congress has got to appropriate the money to build that embassy.

PERINO: Right.

BECKLE: Put people down there. So, Congress does have a big say in this, and I think they're gonna -- when push comes to shove, I think they're gonna say, there's not enough Cubans --

PERINO: Not yet.

BECKEL: Political muscle and we're gonna go and do as the right thing.

BOLLING: Very quickly, one last thought. The -- I know that very important fringe benefit, Venezuelans have hated us for the last -- maybe 10 or 15 few years. And so, and they should there are now very close, they could be an ally, we could this -- a ton of oil and gasoline that we used. Venezuela is highly in lock step with Cuba right now.

PERINO: Sure.

BOLLING: If they see Cuba.

GUILFOYLE: Running.

BOLLING: Coming around that normalizing, maybe there'll --

PERINO: No. I know, but that's actually a problem, right? Because as you say, you don't have to make it -- we didn't make any demands on Cuba and we don't require any sort of human rights changes, so what it signals to the rest of the region is that, you can be that kind of country and get normalization with the United States.

GUILFOYLE: And so kind of a deal.

PERINO: So, don't have to do anything

BOLLING: I -- don't want to change, it's just not my nature to say, this is how you need to be treating people in your country, I'm simply saying, open up your markets, making free of -- Venezuela right now since, oil and gas to China at a higher cost themselves, just to screw us, just to screw us.

BECKEL: And why do we call Mr. Anderson (ph) to China that will be a good idea.

PERINO: I'm not telling people how to treat their people.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, we have to have a larger.

BECKEL: I'll put a wall around it and close around this.

GUILFOYLE: Global humanitarian approach.

PERINO: The most important thing would be -- if they could get free media down in Cuba, including -- The Five, that would help.

GUTFELD: But you to get free health care and free education.

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: Remember, we've been told that for 50 years and it all sucks.

PERINO: On that note.

GUILFOYLE: Whoa.

PERINO: When we come back.

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PERINO: The 2016 race is picking up steam as words of potential victory between the Obama and Clinton teams surface -- which members of The President in his circle is taking just at Hillary -- find out next.

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BOLLING: The 2016 presidential speculation mill is heating up. Yesterday, we saw Jeb bush, the first serious presidential contender inch closer to run and we also saw some sniping between the Obama and the Clinton camps. Listen to Former Senior Obama advisor David Axelrod, take some not so subtle shots at Hillary Clinton's potential candidacy.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) DAVID AXELROD, FORMER SENIOR OBAMA ADVISOR: Hillary has not yet said what exactly her program will be, what she's running on. I think Elizabeth knows she's got maximum leverage by still being in the conversation. What happened in 2008 was that Hillary's candidacy got out in front of any rationale for it. And the danger is that's happening again, you hear ready for Hillary, it's like, ready for what?

(END VIDEO CLIP) BOLLING: And one thing Hillary seems ready to weigh in on is the enhanced interrogations despite supports from both the Intel community and the majority of Americans, Ms. Clinton's stated last night -- she's from the opposed.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF STATES: I am proud to have been a part of the Obama administration that banned illegal renditions and brutal interrogation practices including torture.

(APPLAUSE)

CLINTON: Today, we can say again, in a loud and clear voice that the United States should never condone or practice torture anywhere in the world, not under any future administration or in any future conflict.

(APPLAUSE)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: And your though -- connect -- come back to haunt her?

PERINO: I think so -- for example if you are being thoughtful and you read The Wall Street Journal op-ed today by Mike Mukasey, who was the former attorney general, who was the attorney general who was asked to opine about the legal definitions of torture and person that enhanced interrogation techniques. It's very important to look at the subtleties of that, and to see how -- what was legal, what was not. Hillary Clinton is walking into a place right now where once, it was her husband's administration that approved renditions initially, Ok, that continued on because they were trying to capture Al-Qaeda. The enhanced interrogation techniques differed after the scenario after 9/11, and then you look at The Wall Street journal, NBC poll yesterday. Which was for the first time, now you have a majority of Americans saying they actually support the word torture, they - - we have never said that before, everybody agrees with her, the United States doesn't torture. Do we use -- legal enhanced interrogation techniques to get information about a ticking time bomb situation? Yes. I think she's on the wrong side of that.

BOLLIMNG: Bob, you're thinking time bomb, I don't know.

BECKEL: No. I think it's exactly the right-foot who could move for her base, which she -- she's been -- has been argue among liberals that she's moved over in too far in the center.

PEIRNO: Sure.

BECKLE: It is a one way to come back to the left. It's another way to take Elizabeth Warren in further off the board. The other thing that acts around says is exactly right, she got out from on a candidacy that basically said I'm Bill's wife -- and he had a pretty good -- last four years so, elect me again, where Obama was talking about big change and all the rest of it. So, I think that's right gave her a piece of advice there, but also, she's playing to her base and she knows it.

BOLLING: Greg?

GUTFELD: Liz Warren. I find it interesting that the Democrats and the media always -- portray the right, as scary. Ronald Reagan is gonna bring you into the third world war, except the end of the cold war. Cheney's crazy, Bush is scary, to me -- Liz Warren strikes me as very, very frightening, she seems manic and off kilter. My point being, if she were conservative, the Daily Show in Colbert would have desolate (ph) her, if she would be a regular character on SNL, the way she talks and acts they would make fun of her, but because she parrots -- the progressive beliefs, they overlooked this kind of fringy weirdness.

BOLLING: This would be the last one.

PERINO: Do we have that sound Bite? GUILFOYLE: I would -- I was there last night, so it might be good to calm and talk. (ph) and these words right?

BOLLING: On set, yeah. GUILFOYLE: So, Hillary, I think was clearly playing to her base. I do think that the stances that she was very popular in the room last night. Because the RFK Human Rights Awards could backfire on her, especially now she's trying to go back to the center, when she's been more strong on national security issues to criticize things, that in fact her husband was engaged in and supportive of as a president. I think it's a very difficult position for her to be in and I think it could be a very costly one, especially if there's another terrorist attack.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I even want to create (ph) Bill Clinton's decision on what the Bush Administration.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Alright, let me do this Bob, I want to get this thing here, because Republicans are also jumping in on the 2016 shadow with a couple of so-called non-establishment candidates reacting to the news yesterday. First up, Senator Rand Paul who discussed one of the problems, Jeb Bush may face in a GOP primary.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) RAND PAUL, SENATOR: Ronald Reagan ran on the platform of getting rid of department of education. We've always believed in decentralized education so, for Jeb Bush to run in the primary will be very, very difficult. Because, if you're going to be for a national curriculum and for common core and for no child left behind, this accumulation of power in Washington, that's not very popular, and it's going to be an overcoming if he think he is can win the primary.

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BOLLING: And Senator Ted Cruz who has some advice as to what the Republican Party should be looking for in a candidate.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TED CRUZ, SENATOR: We should be looking for whoever is standing up and leading. Whoever is standing up and fighting the major fights of the day, whoever is making the case that the Obama economy is a disaster, that Obamacare is a train wreck that we have got to defend the constitutions.

BRET BAIER, SPECIAL REPORT SHOW HOST: When do you make your decision? Whether you run or not?

CRUZ: Well, look -- I think the field will form in all likelihood sometime between January and June of next year.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Bob, you want to take on these?

BECKEL: Yeah, what I want to say is exactly what Jeb Bush wanted. They have to pick two guys you want to come out and attack, you'll be those two. And if they think they're gonna hang there and talk entire candidacy and common core, they're crazy. Immigration -- I don't think has enough of tractions that make -- even a primary of the Republican Party.

BOLLING: I think --

GUILFOYLE: I agree with Bob.

BOLLING: Do me a favor. Can I just put in on the record? I think common core is a bigger issue that we're giving it credit here.

GUILFOYLE: Meaning, bigger than immigration?

BOLLING: Bigger than immigration. That --

PERINO: I agree.

BOLLING: That the general consensus is no -- very conservative conservatives.

PERINO: I hear people talking about it on the subway.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: Not even conservatives. I have people -- your parents talking about it on the sidewalk and on the subway --

BOLLING: Right.

PERINO: It is bigger.

BOLLING: And that's their --

GUILFOYLE: But I think he's gonna have to --

BOLLING: It's not just from the pundit class. It's coming from.

PERINO: Parents.

BOLLING: Parents and the teachers -- they're all talking about common core.

PERINO: Yeah.

GUILFOYLE: But the thing about education, it's evolving right? So there is an opportunity for him to have.

BECKEL: Yeah, that's right.

GUILFOYLE: Thoughtful discussion about it, to be presented different ideas and say, this is where we were, we were well intentioned, we want to do something that's gonna transform education, this is where what we've learned and this is where we're going from here.

BECKEL: Just remember, he is the first education president for a long time.

GUTFELD: Bill?

BOLLING: Bill?

BECKEL: Jeb Bush -- he came out.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: The governor.

BOLLING: Governor.

PERINO: Yeah.

BECKEL: Yeah, I --

BOLLING: Education governor.

BECKEL: Education governor.

GUTFELD: I'm with --

BOLLING: That's right.

GUTFELD: I'm with Bob. I do think that it can't just be common core. And -- if he can explain coherently his point of view, he could get past that.

GUILFOYLE: Exactly.

GUTFELD: But what I don't want is a novelty conservative of the month club like we had in 2012, where somebody popped up and everybody went like this. Then a person went away, and I'll go through my four points quickly, do you tell somebody he's persuasively correct. Somebody who can navigate the modern world not like a creepy uncle or aunt, you need to handle a hostile media finesse and with humor, and last -- it's got to be somebody who -- not only can win, but wants to win.

BECKEL: Alright.

BOLLING: But we got to go.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah.

BOLLING: I'll tell you what Jeb Bush, if you can teach me.

(LAUGHTER)

GUTFELD: Yeah.

BOLLING: We may have a deal.

GUTFELD: Nobody can do it.

PEIRNO: He grew up on that.

BOLLING: Up next.

GUTFLED: Nobody can do it.

BOLLING: Sony hackers turning up the heat, threatening a 9/11 style terror attack on movie theaters screening The Interview film. Did Sony cave? We have some news, some breaking news on that when The Five returns.

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GUILFOYLE: This is a Fox News alert. We're learning there's some breaking news on the Sony hacking story. Let's check in now with Shepard Smith at the Fox News Deck.

SHEPARD SMITH, FOX NEWS DECK ANCHOR: Unbelievable, how this has gone down, Sony Pictures has just announced plans to cancel the Christmas Day release of its movie The Interview. This comes after the two largest movie theater chains in the United States, Regal and AMC, among others confirmed they will not be showing the film. A statement -- since come out now from Sony just minutes ago, it reads in part, "We respect and understand our partners decisions and of course, completely share their paramount interest in the safety of employees and theater goers. Sony Pictures have been the victim of unprecedented criminal assault against our employees, our customers and our business." They're referring of course to the hackers who have threatened to attack theaters that showed the controversial movie. The film is about two men who try to kill the North Korean Dictator Kim Jong-un. Hackers posted a threat online threatening specifically a bitter fate for theater goers. So, in the end -- you want to put it this simply -- the terrorist have won, it is unbelievable turn of events Kimberly, I don't know about you but it's kind of a stomach turn.

GUILFOYLE: It really is. Who would have thought that they would have caved like this? There wasn't an indication, certainly a threat about these cyber-crimes and saying they were going to shut down the premiere. And it looks like that, in fact, is what happened.

SMITH: I'm worried about the future.

GUILFOYLE: What kind of message does that send to other people?

All right. Well, Shepard, thank you for that.

All right. Let's bring you back here to "The Five." Dana, we'll get your -- your comments, your reaction to this?

PERINO: I am surprised by it. And just in the commercial break, I was checking. There's -- Alec Ross, who is one of the global Internet freedom guys of the world, he worked for President Obama as the head of technology, worked at the State Department. His tweet just now is, "The response by Sony and movie theater chains to hacking will be a business school case study in how not to handle a cyberattack."

I think across the board, everyone's looking at this, saying there was no actual credible threat, but now we are allowing a hacking to not only change our commercial decisions, but you're basically allowing civilians to become the casualties in the first act of major cyber-terrorism.

I predict that there are companies that are going to start asking the federal government, why should we be paying to try to protect our companies when you are -- we are fighting the geopolitical wars that you have with America's enemies? That's really what it is. We're basically -- Sony was attacked by a government. So should the American government be helping them?

GUILFOYLE: And why isn't the president coming out and calling this what it is and saying that this is cybercrime, is essentially an act of war and they should be treated as such?

BECKEL: That's exactly right, which is why we're at cyber war with the Chinese. We educate them. We give them the best education possible, and they come back and they hack us.

Now, if they did this, they could do that with everything. Don't get on buses, don't get on trains.

I mean, but I think what's happened here is that Sony is being very careful. Everybody wants to cover their butt, because nobody wants to be responsible in case something actually happens.

GUILFOYLE: OK, Bolling.

BOLLING: North Korea, China, OK, whatever.

So look...

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PERINO: He's right, but the Chinese are suspected of helping them.

BOLLING: There's no question the Chinese are the most active hackers on the planet, and I get it. And you're right on that one (ph). It should be a crime. We should have the government jumping in and helping -- helping our private businesses in that respect. I guess this is one area where government could actually help business.

But let's take it from a business standpoint. This could really -- Sony, look, they got hacked. It's bad. There's a way to make this a business decision that's going to actually work for them. They're probably going to make more money on this film now than they would have, had they released a stupid movie about killing the North Korean leader.

GUILFOYLE: Why, because people are going to buy the video?

BOLLING: They're going to buy this. It's going to be on demand. It's going to probably be released globally with the exception of America.

GUILFOYLE: You know, they had the premier in Los Angeles. They just canceled it in New York.

BOLLING: I think these movie theaters were smart in not premiering it. I know it's caving to terrorists, but God forbid one bomb goes off in one movie theater and you have -- they were warned about it before. I don't know...

GUILFOYLE: Unless they have -- they have some real active, you know, real- time intelligence from the FBI, and they know something we don't know. Go ahead.

GUTFELD: I think the White House should do what's right and have the filmmakers arrested, just like they had the anti-Mohammad filmmaker put in jail for a parole violation.

GUILFOYLE: Responsible for Benghazi.

GUTFELD: I think -- a couple of points here. Why did this movie choose -- why did the filmmakers choose North Korea? Why didn't they choose radical Islam or communism, communists in Venezuela? Because they figured it was an easy villain.

PERINO: Right. "South Park."

GUTFELD: It was a no-brainer.

PERINO: To make fun of them.

GUTFELD: Yes, to make fun of them. It's not as easy as they thought it was. They did not see -- if the filmmakers saw this coming, they wouldn't have done it.

Now, I think -- personally, I think the theaters are wimps. They should play it for free everywhere. However, part of me understands that there's a minor malfunction in that theater, people are going to get up and run. So if on Christmas, you're sitting there, and there's something that happens, people are going to think, "Oh, my God," and there's going to be panic. However, that's something that you have to live with every single day.

We still had airliners up in the sky after 9/11, I mean, obviously not until things were calm. We didn't close down cafes after Sydney. We didn't stop any future marathons because of the Boston Marathon. So this is -- it's a sad thing.

BOLLING: Did you see Rob Lowe's tweet?

GUTFELD: Yes. Where he basically said that Hollywood has become Neville Chamberlain.

BOLLING: Has outdone Neville Chamberlain.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: He disagrees with me.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, but think about the message that it's sending. It's rewarding.

GUTFELD: They're sending bomb threats is what they'll do.

BECKEL: They're going to be sitting there now, watching the news, going what's our next target we're going to get? See if we can get...

GUILFOYLE: I think Sony was worried about liability, if anything happened in any of these theaters, and people say, "You knew, and you acted in conscious disregard of a known risk. Now pay me."

BOLLING: Well, you have to. I mean, you know, this whole thing about terrorism, the terrorism insurance that stadiums are now not getting right now. The government is not promising to insure stadiums, and it literally may affect whether or not we play the Super Bowl.

BECKEL: Really?

BOLLING: Yes, because private insurance companies won't insure stadiums anymore. They need the government now to come in and say, "We have the balance of what the insurance company won't pay" so we can watch football games.

GUTFELD: The other thing, too, is the role media plays in this benefits the hackers. And we publicized it a lot. It's just like I said before. Spree killing and things like that we, you know -- the invention of media has allowed terror to disseminate to affect a greater number of people. And maybe if we ignored it, that might help.

GUILFOYLE: And remember, as James Comey said, he said cyber-crime is becoming everything in crime. We're going to see, unfortunately, a lot more of this.

Directly ahead, the high school trader who sparked outrage after admitting he lied about making 72 million bucks is now apologizing, but shouldn't the press have sniffed this out sooner? Greg on journalism's tough mess (ph), next.

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GUTFELD: The New York magazine featured a story on a kid who made 72 million bucks off the stock market. Mohammed Islam, obviously Irish, ran his high school investment club, and journalist Jessica Pressler wrote lovingly of him. There's one problem: he made it all up.

The magazine offers this apology: "We were duped. Our fact-checking process was obviously inadequate. We should have known better."

And on Tuesday, Islam posted this delightful apology.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MOHAMMED ISLAM, FAKED STORY ABOUT $72 MILLION STOCK GAINS: I'm sorry for anyone who may have been hurt by that story. Most of all, I'm sorry for the embarrassment and pressure I have caused my family. My dad's always taught me to be truthful. And I can't even express, you know, what it is - - I can't even speak properly anymore. My close friends and I met with Ms. Jessica Pressler and gave in to her pressure of wanting more and more and more.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: See? So it hasn't been a great month for magazine journalists. They keep forgetting the first rule in storytelling: if it sounds too good, it ain't.

Why does this keep happening? It's the triumph, once again, of feelings over facts, in which decades of campus thought have put activism and regurgitated identity politics before reality.

Also, many reporters tune out when you talk numbers, which might explain why one thought a kid could make 70 million bucks so fast. Yet, while so many hacks don't understand business, they know businessmen are evil, rich people didn't earn it; they just became rich. Like this kid with $72 million. It's that simple!

Ego-driven emotion blinds writers to obvious fakery that even a Jiffy Lube mechanic could spot. Could you imagine anyone in a Pittsburgh dive bar falling for this story? Hell no.

It's like the lady who married the Death Row killer. We know he's a monster, but she thinks, what if he's innocent? No sensible person buys it, but it's never the sensible one who does. It's always the educated.

So Eric, I feel bad for the kid. The kid is a victim here. He was like -- he was just having fun, and then the reporter just pushes him and now he's in trouble with his parents.

BOLLING: My favorite story.

GUTFELD: I want to hire him.

GUILFOYLE: To do what?

GUTFELD: To do P.R.

BOLLING: Look, all right, so here's the thing. Red flags all over the place. Right? Jessica Pressler should have seen this coming.

By the way, he was ready to go on CNBC. He was in CNBC studios ready to be interviewed when he decided to call the hoax off.

PERINO: I just saw that.

BOLLING: So No. 1, he made $72 million on his lunch break during lunch.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: Red flag No. 2, you have to be 18 years old to have a trading account, even to be in the ball game.

Red flag No. 3, he made $72 million at lunch during high school. I mean, come on, logic. Common sense would have blown this story out of the water Ask a question. Show me an account.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: Show me a paper that says you made any money at all, let alone 72 million.

BECKEL: One More Thing with common sense, is that it all came from universities. As Greg would have it. I think this kid's father is going to send him off to Camp ISIS for the summer.

GUTFELD: Oh, come on.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, Bob.

GUTFELD: That's wrong.

BECKEL: No, he's going to blow him up.

GUTFELD: No, he's not. That's terrible.

This kid -- this kid was a hard worker. He had -- he had been working with his investment club. They were doing simulated investments, and the "New York" reporter wanted a real story. He's so genuinely sorry, Dana.

PERINO: He didn't harm anybody.

BECKEL: He looks like Count Dracula.

GUTFELD: Come on, Bob. Stop it.

PERINO: He didn't actually harm anybody. I mean, teenagers do stupid things and either injure themselves or somebody else. That didn't happen here. He's got ambition. I imagine he will be recruited by Goldman Sachs.

But this also allows me a moment to give a minute mentoring tip...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

PERINO: ... to people who want to be (UNINTELLIGIBLE). Which is when you go to college -- and I'm not a good example. I was a mass communications major. I should not have done that. I should have taken political science of history or something like that and taken journalism as a minor. Because in today's market and for the next 20 years, you need to be an expert in something.

GUTFELD: Right.

PERINO: So that if you want to cover finance, then you should consider finance or accounting and then do journalism, because it will actually help you in your career.

GUTFELD: Yes. You know, we all make mistakes, Kimberly. Has anybody here on "The Five" done anything that -- I mean, we actually check, don't we?

BECKEL: No.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, we do.

GUTFELD: Bob, you made five mistakes today.

GUILFOYLE: No, I feel bad for him now. You're turning my heart towards him. Because I think he should be grounded for life. Life plus ten.

BECKEL: Who?

GUILFOYLE: The kid.

BECKEL: The kid?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, he's in trouble. But really, she should have known something, like Eric said, and figured it out. This story had no factual basis.

PERINO: In New York City, when you hard $72 million, and you're like...

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: She's a business reporter. She was -- I think she's going to work for Bloomberg business news. So I mean, it's...

GUILFOYLE: That's still happening?

BECKEL: She's a conservative, too.

BOLLING: There's a difference. We make a lot -- I make -- guilty, I make a lot of mistakes. But I'm not a journalist. I sit here and give an opinion. I'm paid to tell, "Here's what I think," not "Here's what I researched and I know."

PERINO: You care about getting the facts right, though.

BOLLING; Well, no, I try to, obviously. But if you make a mistake, it's a little different than a business reporter making a big mistake on a business story.

PERINO: But you make my point that you were -- you're an expert in the energy markets, financial issues, trading, so you saw this, and you could say, "That is not possible."

GUILFOYLE: Like I am with law.

BECKEL: I try my way -- to keep my facts straight.

GUILFOYLE: That's the deal.

GUTFELD: You know what kills me?

GUILFOYLE: What.

GUTFELD: So New York did a story on conservatives and humor, and they called me for a picture. So I was in. It was frank rich who was writing it. So I said if you'd like to talk to me, I'd love to talk to you. They wouldn't talk to me, because they knew that if they talked to me, they'd have to change the story.

They put a picture in there of me holding a microphone, standing up, like I was a comedian, which is false. I'm not a comedian; I've never done stand- up. And there are glaring errors in the article that could have been fixed if Frank Rich had spoken to me. But he didn't want to speak to me, because he knew he would have had to change the narrative that he wanted.

PERINO: He had -- he had assumptions about you that he didn't want to have to change.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

PERINO: But you are very funny.

BOLLING: Rolling Stone all over again.

GUTFELD: Thank you, Dana. That warms my heart.

All right. Coming up, want to live to be 100? What do you got to give up to get there? And is it actually worth it? We'll share the tips from someone who got there, next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BECKEL: Well, it's Christmas, and it must be another apology. The producers asked me if I could straighten out Camp ISIS. It was a joke. It was meant to be a joke, and I'm sorry if it wasn't taken as a joke, and get a life.

As many of you know, I decided to cut out sweets...

PERINO: That wasn't a...

BECKEL: ... and live a long and healthy life. But according to one centarian [SIC] -- is that how you pronounce it?

PERINO: Centenarian.

BECKEL: Centarian [SIC] -- that might not be enough. Dr. Ellsworth Warnam (ph) of Yorba Linda, California, is a 100-year-old surgeon who -- whoa -- and World War II vet. He retired from work at age 95, and he's secrets to longevity include no smoking, no drinking alcohol, and eating a veej-ent...

GUTFELD: Vegan.

BECKEL: ... vegan diet. Sounds nice, but is this the kind of lifestyle you really want?

Well, since I'm not going to live to anywhere near 100, so it doesn't matter. So what do you think, Eric? You're a vegan, right?

BOLLING: Defer to Greg. He's probably the most capable to handle the subject. Well, he lived to 100, but no smoking, no drinking, no fatty foods.

GUTFELD: There is something to be said about meat, but however, I think one of the best health tips you can -- you can point to is picking your parents. He had good genes.

BOLLING: Yes.

GUTFELD: He had good genes. And also avoid risk -- high-risk behavior. But he was in World War II, which is probably the riskiest behavior. It's amazing he's alive.

BECKEL: He performed surgery at 95. Do you think that's legit, to do that?

GUTFELD: Yes, it's a tough one. I don't know.

You know what's weird, though? It is a rarity, because usually at this point you see nothing but little old ladies. When you go to a rest home, it's just little old ladies. All the men...

GUILFOYLE: You know why? They take their medication.

GUTFELD: You know what? You're right.

BECKEL: I take my medication every day.

GUILFOYLE: You're taking the wrong kind.

BECKEL: All right, what do you think?

GUTFELD: Medication, not for his heart.

GUILFOYLE: Correct. It's in his pocket right now.

BECKEL: How long would you like to live for?

PERINO: As long as the Lord wants me here.

BECKEL: Are you saying like him?

GUTFELD: Are you referring to me?

PERINO: Apologize tomorrow. I won't be on the show.

GUILFOYLE: Apologize.

PERINO: But you know, everyone you hear about this, you read about another story of someone who lived to be 100, and you say, "What's your secret?" Like, "Oh, scotch, neat, every night."

GUTFELD: Exactly.

PERINO: Yes, so maybe it's just...

GUTFELD: It's a problem with anecdotal information. You've got to look at the studies. He is correct, though, about some of the dietary stuff.

GUILFOYLE: Yours is going to be red wine and yoga.

BOLLING: I'm a firm believer in a cocktail or two a night. And I just -- again, anecdotally, grandparents lived -- the ones that drank every night, lived longer than the ones that didn't.

PERINO: My grandmother -- my great-grandmother lived to be 104.

GUTFELD: Smoking is a guaranteed.

BECKEL: One of the things that's going on in the medical field is they're coming up with more and more equipment to keep you alive longer and longer. At some point, we're going to have to ask ourselves how much is enough?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: That's a new idea.

GUILFOYLE: How come you didn't call on me.

BECKEL: I'm sorry, sweetheart. How old do you want to be?

GUILFOYLE: Well, if we're going to do the New Year's Eve show together? Forever.

BECKEL: OK, good. You'll live forever.

All right. "One More Thing" is up next.

I got -- I got distracted with my...

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing" -- Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: All right, well, I'm very excited to announce that we have our lineup all set for the FOX New Year's special. And it's going to be "An All-American New Year," and you can check it out right there. You've got me, you've got Bobby, you have Kennedy. You've got Anna Kooiman, Jesse Watters. And down on the field for us, always doing an outstanding job, FOX News senior correspondent, Rick Leventhal.

There's me and Bob before we got emotional and physically connected.

So he's going to be on hand to report about safety and security down in Times Square. And we're also going to have Bernard McGuirk and Joanne...

(CROSSTALK)

GUILFOYLE: ... exactly, like that. So we hope that you tune in. It's going to be fantastic. It starts at 9 p.m. Eastern. And we take it all the way, all the way through the night, until 12:30 in the morning. Be there.

BECKEL: It's a good lineup. I'll tell you, it's a lot of fun, a lot of good, funny people on that.

GUILFOYLE: And you and I just might talk. Like last year. Oh, boy. Use your imagination.

PERINO: I have something fun. You know what is fun, when people are just like, dress up in costumes to walk their dogs.

GUTFELD: Oh, yes.

PERINO: Look at this from Wisconsin. This woman that dresses up as Bumble and walks her dog, Lizard, to make everybody happy.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are you doing walking the streets of Alouette?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is from Misfit Island.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why are you visiting Alouette?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To bring joy and happiness.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: And she walks her dog every day, a poodle. They make everyone happy.

BECKEL: That lady's loaded from early in the morning to late at night.

PERINO: No, it's not. And she says that she loves all, care about all, beyond the holidays. It's a message from Bumble.

GUILFOYLE: What was up with the voice?

GUTFELD: I love the voice.

PERINO: That's just her voice.

Eric, you're next.

BOLLING: OK. So People magazine announced their highest selling and their lowest selling magazines of the year. The lowest, unbelievably, was that one right there, June 16, Hillary Clinton. And in related Clinton news, this picture made the rounds on Twitter last night, which creeped a bunch of people out. That's Bill Clinton with the daughter of one of his biggest financial supporters.

PERINO: Bob, you're next.

BECKEL: OK. I want to -- I've been critical on occasion of Pope Francis, but I think that he's done a magnificent job dealing with the Muslims lately, and he's willing to stand up for Christians around the world. It was his birthday. They had hundreds of thousands, millions of people in St. Peter's Square. Happy birthday, Pope.

PERINO: And we forget to mention that he was instrumental...

GUILFOYLE: He's helpful.

PERINO: ... in the -- President Obama's decision today...

GUILFOYLE: Alan Gross is the lead. It was Cuba.

PERINO: ... on Cuba.

Greg, you're last.

GUTFELD: Well, you know, a lot of people have been worried about my unicorn mug and the fact that it's missing a horn. Well, not to fear. Many viewers had sent in new ones. I have like 35,000 of these now. I want you to stop sending me unicorn mugs. Stop sending them. Send them to other FOX News anchors. I've had enough of these, frankly.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, that's not nice.

PERINO: What other anchors?

BECKEL: Send them to Shep Smith.

GUTFELD: Send them to Shep or Hemmer or Dobbs. Send them -- send hundreds of them, because frankly, I don't have any more room for these. They're quite beautiful. Maybe I'll give this away to somebody.

PERINO: The horse mug.

All right. Set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" is next.

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