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Michael Brown's mother sparking more violence in Ferguson?

This is a rush transcript from "The Kelly File," November 26, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SHANNON BREAM, HOST: That's Michael Brown's stepfather with the protesters on the streets of Ferguson after the grand jury decision Monday night. Tonight, his wife, Michael Brown's mother, responding to whether he had a hand in sparking the violence that followed. Listen.

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LESLEY MCSPADDEN, MICHAEL BROWN'S MOTHER: I don't agree with that. It was his raw emotion. He was upset. And to speak on and act on is two different things. And freedom of speech, you can say whatever you like. But remember what those people were saying August 9th. And it wasn't coming from the family.

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BREAM: Joining me now, Bishop Raphael Green, founder and senior pastor of the Metropolitan Christian Worship Center, and Joe Hicks is the vice president of Community Advocates and member of Project 21.

Gentlemen, welcome to you both.

BISHOP RAPHAEL GREEN, METROPOLITAN CHRISTIAN WORSHIP CENTER FOUNDER: Good to be with you. Thank you.

BREAM: Bishop, I want to start with you. Because prior to the decision on Monday night, Michael Brown's father had put out a message saying he didn't want his son to be remembered by violence, by protest, that there were other ways to accomplish things and work needed to be done but not in this way. Do you fault his stepfather then for standing there when people were so upset, there were throngs of them, and he's saying burn the blank down multiple times?

GREEN: No, I don't fault him for that. It's just an outburst of anger. Many people have them. I'm sure that even Officer Darren Wilson may have had an outburst of anger, it was just off camera. It's very important to understand though these were the requests, this man was really, really overcome with emotions. And you take it for what it's worth. People will respond according to what they really believe they should do regardless of what the stepfather did.

BREAM: Well, we know what happened in the hours after that, which is heartbreaking for everyone there in Ferguson, especially those business owners. You know, whether they were involved in any of what happened to Michael Brown, the tragedy that involved him, they lost their businesses.
And we saw them many of them the next day saying how am I now going to provide for my kids or for my family or be part of this general community?

So Joe, I ask you, we know -- we just can't say whatever we want. I mean, you know, there's legal authority on that, you can't yell inside of a crowded theater fire. Was this that kind of equivalent or is that overstating it?

JOE HICKS, COMMUNIT ADVOCATES VICE PRESIDENT: Well, obviously, this stepfather's not going to be prosecuted for his comments. And first of all, I want to say that the mom and the dad, the actual dad in this case got a big pass from me. You know, losing a child in that way is devastating. So they get a pass. I have no criticism of anything they've said even when I've disagreed. The step dad however in front of throngs of people that have been at a razor's edge for several days waiting a decision with threats of violence already in the air in Ferguson and other parts of the nation. And he then releases this outburst from the podium in front of this crowd, I think it's like pouring gasoline on a fire ready to ignite. So I think he should be in a certain way held accountable for that. I don't think you're going to see any kind of prosecution for those kinds inflammatory statements. Judge it for what it is and perhaps condemn his inability to understand what the real father has been saying arguing for peace and calm on the street, very different message coming from these two different men.

BREAM: Bishop, do you think that it is possible with all of the emotion that's involved here to have a constructive conversation about the facts about the evidence, about what's been laid out even though there may be some dispute in interpretation of it civilly?

GREEN: To be sure, I think also it's important to again in some ways not necessarily condoning and approving every action and every word, but somehow establishing that you do understand where people are coming from.

Most conversations break down the moment an individual feels that you do not understand. You don't -- as they say in the street, you don't feel where they're really coming from. We can progress and move forward once that is established. And we'll be able to probably come to some agreement. This whole issue of interpretation is really the culprit in my estimation because it really has to do with utilizing standards and critical assumptions that are already presuppositions in the minds and hearts of many, many people. And so it's important, it's very, very important to be able to establish not only what you mean or what I mean but what the person who is actually listening to us means as well. We do this all the time when we study a scripture. You must begin in the context, historically, emotionally, geographically, every single thing. You just don't pull it out and set it up to your own standard for trying to define what the Bible is saying.

BREAM: And, Joe, do you think we can do that here for just looking at the law and the facts? Do you think there can be that interpretation that the two sides can see any common ground here?

HICKS: Well, with all due respect to what we just heard here, my problem what we see happening is people that are just flat out rejecting facts and evidence, eyewitness testimony from black witnesses who came and corroborated the police officer's version of events. Yet people saying we won't believe it, we refuse to accept it and are continuing argue pushing forward in saying in essence that the nation, people who aren't black in this case, as we just heard, don't understand them, don't understand where they're coming from.

BREAM: All right.

HICKS: I'm not always sure we need to understand that and the devastation been in the wake of that. We have to somehow find a way to engage as the bishop just said each other, but there has to be some common basis for us having that discussion. The people to reject nearly pathological way facts and evidence is not a basis to have that kind of discussion.

BREAM: We are going to leave it there. Joe Hicks and Bishop Green, thank you both gentlemen for your time.

HICKS: Thank you.

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